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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Our Little Lady, and this is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a different episode. Last week we asked you,

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Speaker 2: the audience of the podcast, to see if you had

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Speaker 2: any questions that you wanted to ask Jason and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: We had stacks of replies, but we needed to choose

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Speaker 2: small number of listeners to jump on a call to

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Speaker 2: ask any questions you wanted of Jason and Amanda. Let's

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Speaker 2: cross to that live recording last week. Jason and Amanda, Hello,

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Speaker 2: good evening, how are you. This is a bit different

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Speaker 2: than what we normally do. Right. Normally most of our

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Speaker 2: chats are on signal where we can't see each other.

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Speaker 2: But tonight we've been joined by a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: listeners to our Little Lady, and they've got some questions,

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Speaker 2: and obviously I've got some questions, and maybe I might

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Speaker 2: start with how's the last couple of weeks been since

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Speaker 2: we spoke? Any new developments In Eden's case, There's.

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Speaker 3: Been a couple things eventuated and a few things that

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Speaker 3: have closed up.

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Speaker 4: And Jackie's putting a brochure out.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about Jackie Lamby. She's a massive supporter.

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Speaker 2: What's the contents of that newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's gone to every marlbox in Tasmania, I believe,

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Speaker 1: And it's just Jackie showing recognition to her support for

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Speaker 1: getting answers and the autopsy photos for Eden and an

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Speaker 1: inquest into Eden's death. And like I said, I believe

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Speaker 1: that's going to every mailbox in Tasmania.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about reading that?

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Speaker 1: Justice for Eden? In July, I was proud to give

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Speaker 1: a speech that raised many unanswered questions about the death

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Speaker 1: of Eden Westbrook. She was a vibrant fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: who was found hanging in a tree almost ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: The police and the current A deemed it a suicide.

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Speaker 1: But something doesn't seem right, especially considering Paul Reynolds, the

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Speaker 1: disgraced policeman convicted of child abuse, was overseeing Eden's case.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to Eden, but her parents,

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Speaker 1: Jason and Amanda, along with their other children, deserve answers.

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Speaker 1: This is a case I won't stop pursuing.

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Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of questions, but I do want

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Speaker 2: to start just before we go to some questions. Firstly

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Speaker 2: with you, Jason. I'm a dad myself, as you know,

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Speaker 2: to young girls who are Edie's age fifteen ten sixteen

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Speaker 1: Look, I've got a lot of love and support from

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Speaker 1: my family and my children that are alive and looking

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Speaker 1: after me.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 1: They're sensitive and they're caring, and yeah, I couldn't be

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Speaker 1: proud of to be a dad of all of my children.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, some days send a shipmate, and as you know,

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Speaker 1: one of those days we lost Eden. And it's nearly

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Speaker 1: ten years now, mate, so ten Fathers days. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: still tough, it's raw.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to go to a from someone now

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Speaker 2: the questions from Danny l So from Danielle, my question

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Speaker 2: is do you think Sergeant Paul Reynolds destroyed the autopsy photos?

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Speaker 2: And also how far would have Eden fallen. Let's take

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Speaker 2: the first question first, Jason, Amanda.

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Speaker 3: If anybody had the chance to destroy the autopsy photos,

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Speaker 3: I think that Paul was in the position to do

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Speaker 3: so and was capable. However, I still hope they're there.

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Speaker 2: What we do know from sort of everything we've talked

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Speaker 2: about and all the RTI stuff, and we believe the

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Speaker 2: autopsy photos do exist. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: However, they would never part or form part of Eden's file, Joe. Now,

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Speaker 1: they do have them in their hands or in their

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Speaker 1: actually since Channel nine's requests. My assumption, and I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong, is they're not adequately. They're not adequate. Mate,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get the answers we're asking for.

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Speaker 1: I've been mindful. The Current has stated in an email

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Speaker 1: don't feel the Current has ever had the autopsy photos

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Speaker 1: before your podcast, before Channel Line's airing of the request

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Speaker 1: to get those autopsy photos to us to get doctor

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Speaker 1: Richard Barron Collins to do it, as.

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Speaker 4: To our knowledge that we've been told that.

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Speaker 1: And the second part of the question, Jail happy to

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Speaker 1: I'm six foot one. I think I've mentioned this before.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 4: We were looking right up at it.

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Speaker 1: Even Kim, the lady that you had recently on that

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Speaker 1: a meter high when she saw her. And yet it's

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Speaker 1: in the report she was twenty centimeters from the ground.

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Speaker 1: Either way, massive fall for anyone to fall with something

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Speaker 3: But if we had seen the footage, we would have

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Speaker 3: seen if Eden was actually capable of this. That's why

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Speaker 3: it was so important to me to see that footage

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Speaker 3: my child was capable of doing that to herself or not.

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Speaker 4: And the yeah questions were two questions. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: And that footage you were talking about there, Amanda, was

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Speaker 2: the CCTV footage, right, the footage that has never been

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Speaker 2: recovered but no existed. There's a couple of other questions here,

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Speaker 2: one from Tassia. Have you been to crime stoppers and

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Speaker 2: asked them if they've had any anonymous calls that have

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Speaker 2: come through regarding Eden's case.

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Speaker 1: No, We've put a request in several titles through a

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Speaker 1: first lawyer. We put in a request to have all

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Speaker 1: Triple O calls on the seventeenth and eighteenth of February,

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Speaker 1: because we were told that these things are only kept

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Speaker 1: for seven years on record, So we made written requests

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Speaker 1: to the coroner's office and requested for the current to

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Speaker 1: may not have been sent on those dates. The Triple

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Speaker 1: O calls will never formed part of again, the file

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Speaker 3: Yes, answering the question, we have requested on numerous occasions

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Speaker 3: for the Triple zero calls of any kind that related

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the RTI we have out now one

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Speaker 2: And just to jump in, there is a current RTI

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Speaker 2: now that's been lodged recently. And for those that don't

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Speaker 2: know an RTI has a right to information request. Let's

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Speaker 2: head over to Maddie, who's also got a question. Guys,

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Speaker 2: h Hello, Hi.

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Speaker 5: I've got a couple of questions. My first question is

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Speaker 5: have you ever been told what happened with all the evidence, etc.

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Speaker 5: Like the rope, the ug roots, everything else. Have they

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Speaker 1: No, great question, and the answer is no, No, we

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Speaker 1: don't know where it is. We don't know where the

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Speaker 1: rope is. There's discrepancy over the rope, as you would

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Speaker 1: have heard in Jay's podcast. I believe the rope was

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Speaker 1: a twenty five or mooring rope, so that we were

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Speaker 3: All we received from the police was a little bracelet

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Speaker 1: And that was ten days or twelve days after eating pasted.

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Speaker 5: And they've never said anything about it.

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Speaker 4: It's disgraceful. I really wanted us to go away, Maddie, that's.

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Speaker 1: For them. And on the evening, which was twelve days

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Speaker 1: with those two words they're engraved on her rose at

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Speaker 1: the park where she passed. At Official Memorial Park, we

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Speaker 1: actually have the words love and hope engraved on Eden's rose,

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Speaker 1: which is that's if anyone want to know, that's why.

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Speaker 1: And on that day we gave them a painting which

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Speaker 1: was given to us at Eden's funeral by people that

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Speaker 1: would visit us in Saint Helen's. An elderly couple they

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Speaker 1: So they asked if their daughter could attend Eden's funeral.

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Speaker 1: We were happy for them to bring this girl because

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Speaker 1: Eden had actually met her. And when they were picking

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Speaker 1: that painting with Kate's phone number, and I said, I

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Speaker 1: But you guys used to it, and that painting has

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Speaker 2: Jay just that, Maddie, did you have any other questions

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Speaker 5: In regards to the police officers that dealt with Eden's case,

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Speaker 5: have any of them ever reached out to either of

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Speaker 5: apologize that they wish they had done more or anything

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Speaker 4: No, they haven't.

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Speaker 3: However, we did have an incident with one of our

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Speaker 3: a bit annoyed, and I just told him, if that's

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Speaker 4: The place to do this. I'm actually needing the ambulance.

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Speaker 3: And they'd sent police and we were really annoyed that

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Speaker 3: that was your case.

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Speaker 1: Look, one police officer did jay and the guy was Smiths,

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Speaker 1: Consortable Smithurst. He would often come past the park when

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Speaker 1: we were there and he'd always come and have a chat.

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Speaker 1: He was one of those officers that was very approachable

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Speaker 1: and he's actually the officer that Tom Eden was last

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Speaker 1: thinger live at two. I am un escape of the night,

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Speaker 1: a woman arguing now, he apologized on behalf of the police.

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Speaker 1: He also stated that not all the police in that

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Speaker 1: station get on as any workplace.

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Speaker 2: This is Ruth Jason, Amanda.

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Speaker 6: Hello, is it working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got your high Ruth.

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Speaker 3: This in this case, this is about so much about

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Speaker 1: Share our story through Jay's podcast is the most ubble

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Speaker 3: And that's what we feel like we're We've been so

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Speaker 1: What Amanda's saying, We've got to do this with love.

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Speaker 3: And when you think about Jason and I as two

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Speaker 2: Ruth, thanks so much for your question, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Here's a question for everyone. Will you trust figures of

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Speaker 4: He gave her his mobile number and said give this

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, you do need to still trust

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Speaker 1: There's good people that work there. Yeah, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 2: What do we know about Kate? Is Kate the lady

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Speaker 3: So we believe Kate was. We believe Kate Leeward.

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Speaker 2: And there so that I don't know what that mate,

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Speaker 3: And there was another older woman, just a little bit

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Speaker 1: Jay, what are the people that were with Eden that night?

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Speaker 1: come forward to you. You can do it anonymously, Jay,

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Speaker 2: The other question for Tassire, I think I can answer

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Speaker 2: Would we ever consider recreating an enactment of or recreating

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Speaker 4: And there was at Chompson Court as well.

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Speaker 2: The next time she was seen was was at five

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Speaker 2: And that's I guess what you were just saying, Jason.

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Speaker 1: Like exactly you're going to make you say a bit

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Speaker 2: Get it off your chest. And you can do that anonymously.

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Speaker 2: You can do it anonymously to crime stoppers if that's

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just don't trust the Sanaan's police station. Mate,

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Speaker 1: I live in the community there. I'm part of the community.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not your enemy. We want to work

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Speaker 1: And we know this because you said, Joe, there's good

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Speaker 3: Some people and they're willing to have it behind me,

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Speaker 3: We all know what's going on there now, and we

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Speaker 3: put our hearts out on more than one occasion on

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Speaker 3: every platform that we could possibly have.

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Speaker 4: We're approachable.

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Speaker 3: People have approached us, but for some reason we can

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Speaker 3: clear a room in Saint Helen's Hi.

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Speaker 2: My question is regarding the rope. I just don't understand

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Speaker 2: where Eden got it from and how.

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Speaker 1: She got the rope from. Across the road at the wharf.

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Speaker 1: We believed the name. Am I allowed to say the

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Speaker 1: name of the ship? We were told you, Yeah, of

446
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,321
Speaker 1: course you can. Yep, Yeah, it is the Nasalie. It

447
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: was at port in the wharf that night, and that's

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Speaker 1: apparently where the rope come from. So it was about

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Speaker 1: one hundred meters one hundred and fifty meters from the tree.

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Speaker 1: Eden was found in the rope where she was sourced

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Speaker 1: it from the wharfs across.

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Speaker 2: The road, and Amanda, in your initial statement to police,

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Speaker 2: which I think we've mentioned in the podcast, you thought

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Speaker 2: that maybe the rope had come from your place, and

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Speaker 2: then after you went back to the house and went

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Speaker 2: actually all of our ropes sore where they should be,

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Speaker 2: so it's definitely from that boat across the road.

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Speaker 3: When I seen the rope, I thought it's a crape

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Speaker 3: pot rope, and then as I got closer, it was

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Speaker 3: actually a mooring rope. And when the officer heard that,

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Speaker 3: he translated it to our craypots.

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Speaker 1: So they're green and yellow, and there are certain colors.

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Speaker 1: The rope Eden was found in was exactly the same

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Speaker 1: color as our craypot ropes. That's where Amanda may have

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Speaker 1: thought it was this rape brought from home. We don't

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Speaker 1: have twenty five mooring ropes that color. We only have

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Speaker 1: ten mili crypot ropes. That's what you use in cray potting.

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Speaker 1: None of our crypot ropes were missing. They're all accounted for.

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Speaker 1: And again, it wasn't a ten mil rope, which has

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Speaker 1: been written in the report. It was definitely a thicker

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Speaker 1: rape I was there I saw it. I was actually

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Speaker 1: quite concerned at the size of the rope that Eden

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Speaker 1: had used.

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Speaker 2: Danny Els just ASTs to question the chat and this

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Speaker 2: will be one of our last questions around the rope. Again.

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Speaker 2: Did they do any DNA testing on the rope? And

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Speaker 2: if the rope still exists in evidence they.

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Speaker 1: Rate it off by nine o'clock as suicide. Why would

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Speaker 1: your DNA the rope when the child's still hanging in it?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, do you know if that rope still exists?

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. I don't know, but I doubt it.

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Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't imagine it would Jay saying it's

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Speaker 1: mill rope. We're saying it's a twenty five mil rope.

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00:27:21,721 --> 00:27:23,761
Speaker 1: They're saying it's twenty seven minutes off the ground. We're

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Speaker 1: saying it's eight hunderd and two a meter off the ground.

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Speaker 1: Best if that rope disappears, mate, Yeah, there are some tree.

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Speaker 1: Best if the tree disappears, to be mindful the tree

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Speaker 1: disappear before the crime's findings will let out.

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 1: You know, so a lot of things disappear. Footage disappeared,

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Speaker 1: Three things disappeared, rope, footage, tree, Jeez, you haven't got

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Speaker 1: much to you can't reenactivate that. You can't set that

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Speaker 1: tree back up to see the fall. You can't do

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Speaker 1: any forensics on the tree because it's no longer there.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't there before the coroner made the findings really unusual.

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Speaker 1: The rope, Yes, they definitely haven't got the rope mate.

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Speaker 2: This will be our final question. Amanda just just come

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Speaker 2: back and said, are you sure eton got the rope

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Speaker 2: or someone else?

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Speaker 3: Well, just recently, somebody did say to me that was

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Speaker 3: she picked up from when she left home? Did somebody

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Speaker 3: pick her up? And that was a strange question to

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Speaker 3: me in the street.

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Speaker 1: It's just a question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess everyone becomes a sleuth, right once you've

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00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: heard this story and once you actually look into it,

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00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: there are you know, like we've seen in the chat today,

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Speaker 2: like when we did our investigation, and continue to there

509
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,401
Speaker 2: are always new questions that come up. There are always

510
00:28:38,441 --> 00:28:40,761
Speaker 2: new things that you go what about?

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Speaker 1: And Yeah, watching a movie, you go back and watch

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Speaker 1: a movie a second time, you see something you didn't

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00:28:45,401 --> 00:28:47,321
Speaker 1: see the first time. Same as your podcast. You go

514
00:28:47,401 --> 00:28:49,721
Speaker 1: back to an episode, there's things you've missed, and then

515
00:28:50,401 --> 00:28:53,121
Speaker 1: there's so much many more questions, more and more questions

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00:28:53,121 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: are just getting.

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Speaker 3: Involved that we'd never even put that into the equation

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Speaker 3: that perhaps someone picked her up she walked out onto

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Speaker 3: the highway, And when someone's just mentioned that, I sort

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Speaker 3: of thought, oh, well, where's.

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00:29:03,281 --> 00:29:03,921
Speaker 4: That come from.

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Speaker 1: If they took her own and she decided that's what

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Speaker 1: she wanted to do right there in that location. Why

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Speaker 1: and then if we go to yj any girl or

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Speaker 1: any person that may take their life at that age,

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Speaker 1: when we look at the whys, and that doesn't really

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00:29:19,361 --> 00:29:22,761
Speaker 1: get investigated because she's written off suicide, depressed and had

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00:29:22,841 --> 00:29:25,921
Speaker 1: suicidal tendencies, there's a reason why, and we all can

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Speaker 1: look into the Commission of Inquiry why. You know, people

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00:29:28,681 --> 00:29:31,721
Speaker 1: are taking their lives because of grooming and assault by

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Speaker 1: adults on that child. So this is where we look

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00:29:35,201 --> 00:29:38,041
Speaker 1: into Eden's Was she groomed? So it doesn't matter to

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Speaker 1: me whether Eden was up with our plan and was murdered,

534
00:29:40,681 --> 00:29:43,761
Speaker 1: which is quite possible, or Eden died of suicide, which

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Speaker 1: is possible, but I don't think so we need to

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Speaker 1: know why. We need to know why she was murdered,

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Speaker 1: or we need to know why she died of suicide,

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Speaker 1: and if it was suicide, what caused it? She was

539
00:29:56,801 --> 00:30:00,801
Speaker 1: from a good home, good family, good loving family, loving siblings,

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Speaker 1: and this kid ends up dead in the main street

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Speaker 1: of a small seaside town.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Too many questions have got to be answered on that night,

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Speaker 1: on Eden's prior movements and what was happening to Eden

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Speaker 1: with adults on her phone, and we need to get

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Speaker 1: to those. Answer to Jay and I guess that's why

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00:30:18,841 --> 00:30:20,401
Speaker 1: we keep on shouting it out mate.

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00:30:20,721 --> 00:30:25,041
Speaker 3: Also, the park had no relevance to our family or

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Speaker 3: to Eden. However it did to Kate. Kate spent her

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Speaker 3: childhood playing in this area unattended, and that park was

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Speaker 3: significant to them. As the fisherman said, he thought it

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Speaker 3: was a blanket hanging at three am that the children

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Speaker 3: had left there, that the ones that.

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Speaker 2: Normally play that Jason, Amanda, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 2: the floor for a second just to say thank you

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Speaker 2: to everyone that's joined us on the chat tonight.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so very much for your time, your thoughts,

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Speaker 3: your support. Honestly, support is necessary. If you can give support,

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Speaker 3: only is strong enough to give support. But what I've

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00:31:08,321 --> 00:31:14,121
Speaker 3: found is that people that have given support, my small

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00:31:14,441 --> 00:31:18,641
Speaker 3: response back has given them support in turn. And like

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Speaker 3: I said, there's to those mothers that have come to

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Speaker 3: me that have lost a child.

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Speaker 4: It's not good enough that we should have to be

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Speaker 4: doing this. It's too many. There's too many mothers and

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Speaker 4: there's too many fathers that are.

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Speaker 3: Dealing with children that have been lost under suspicious circumstances

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Speaker 3: that has been suggested that it's suicide.

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Speaker 4: And that's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to quickly butt in and say thanks guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks j thanks to the audience, thanks to your questions.

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00:31:49,361 --> 00:31:53,801
Speaker 1: I am not into sympathy. I've said that I'm into strength.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone's sympathy. I can see a lots written

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Speaker 1: to a mander of empathy and sympathy. However, I'm all

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Speaker 1: about strength. So with that sympathy, we feel it, we

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00:32:03,441 --> 00:32:06,401
Speaker 1: love it in the sense that the support, but your

577
00:32:06,401 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: strengths what we need. So yeah, we'll live with the

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00:32:10,481 --> 00:32:13,321
Speaker 1: strength of all you people that are supporting us in

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Speaker 1: that way. That's how i want to thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you've got a question that hasn't been asked,

582
00:32:20,681 --> 00:32:23,401
Speaker 2: or maybe you know information, you can always send it

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Speaker 2: to us. The email address is what happened to Eden

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. We'll put that in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: You also heard throughout the episode of how you can

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Speaker 2: help Jason and Amanda share this story. You can do

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Speaker 2: it a couple of ways. If you can hit the

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Speaker 2: follow button on the app you're listening to this podcast

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Speaker 2: on right now and leave a review that'll help share

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00:32:44,441 --> 00:32:46,641
Speaker 2: the story far and wide. And of course, you can

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Speaker 2: always sign the petition at change dot org. The link

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Speaker 2: is in the show notes. Thanks for listening