WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 June 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:05.519 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:08.600 Good Evening will tonight. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.480 We're standing by for breaking news from President Trump's emergency 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.200 meeting in the Situation Room. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.480 The world waits to hear if. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.280 America will join Israel's fight against Iran. Elin Levy will 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.639 join me live from Israel, and we'll cross to the 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.520 Australians Jonni Bashan and Leah Mendes in Tel Aviv. Trump 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:33.240 snubs Albanezi in a humiliating move showing just how irrelevant 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.760 Australia has become under his leadership. Holly Hughes and Broman 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.320 Bishop will give their view in a moment, And how 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.160 do Iranians feel about Israel's war on the Islamic Republic 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.000 or two Iranians will join me on the show this evening. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.000 Plus the government accused of using super funds as it's piggybank. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.120 Camer Milner and Andrew Caswell will be here later. But 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.560 first to a dramatic day as Donald Trump quit the 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.240 G seven in Canada to hold an emergency national security 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.360 meeting in the Situation Room. Back in Washington, the President 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:14.240 signaled he's prepared to join the war, declaring Iran can't 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.760 have a nuclear weapon. And that Tehran civilians should evacuate. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.920 American carriers and aircraft are also being deployed to the 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:23.520 Middle East. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.280 Well. International leaders hope. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:30.160 That America and Iran may still return to the negotiating table, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.200 but in my view this is increasingly unlikely. Trump is 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:40.080 clearly leaning towards backing Israel to finish the job, as 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:45.160 he's being urged to do by experienced rational heads. He's 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:51.200 clearly impressed with Israel's astonishing operation that's unprecedented this side 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.160 of World War II, and Israel has now crippled Iran's 0:01:55.200 --> 0:02:00.360 propaganda arm, killed most senior military leaders, and damage both 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:05.880 nuclear and military ballistic missile sites, and Israel continues to 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.239 press ahead with its offensive. This was the dramatic moment 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.760 in Israeli missile hit an Iranian state owned media company 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.800 during a live broadcast. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.040 Happy Happy Gas at. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:43.440 Fay I mean, it's unbelievable. It's unprecedented to see something 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.800 like it, and that sort of power play is as 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:51.720 significant as a political assassination. It's taking back control or 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.600 trying to of the regime's narrative and trying to empower 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.920 Iranians to rise up. First, Israel took control of a 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.680 Iran's air defenses and now Iran's arsenal of missiles are 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:10.359 reportedly diminishing after Israel successfully destroyed a third of its launchers. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.760 Israel has also taken out a growing number of its 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:19.040 top military commanders and nuclear scientists. They include these figures, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:25.720 Major General Muhammad Bagheri, General Hussein Salami, nuclear scientist Feriduna Basi, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:32.440 top military commander Ali Shadmani intelligence chief Mohammad Kazmi. And 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.400 it now seems that Supreme Leader Ayatola Ali Kamani has 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:42.200 few remaining friends Nettagna, who has even left open the 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.320 option of taking him out too. It's a point he 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.520 hinted at in an interview today. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:56.440 The president flatly rejected a plan, an opportunity that the 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.280 you that the israelis I had to take out the 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.440 supremely do you understand his concern? My understanding is his 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.160 concern is that this would escalate the conflict beyond where 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:07.880 it is already. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.640 It's not going to escalate the conflict. It's going to 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.320 end the conflict. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.080 We've had half a century of conflict spread by this regime. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.080 So Nata Nyahu, they're saying it's not going to escalate 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.800 the conflict, it would end it well. If Kimani isn't 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.719 already in hiding, he will be now. And so it's 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.120 only at this stage that the regime is on its 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.480 knees that Iran suddenly wants to engage in talks. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.960 But it may just be too little, too late. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.279 With Trump writing that Iran should have signed the deal 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.320 I told them to sign, he says, what a shame 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.839 and waste of human life. Simply stated Iran cannot have 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.400 a nuclear weapon. He says, he said it over and 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.560 over again, and he says everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.720 He also later decl declared that there would be no ceasefire. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.640 He said that something big is coming. So we're waiting 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.120 to hear news of that. And Trump has been under 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.640 pressure from MAGA isolationists not to join Israel in the 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:19.120 war against Iran's nuclear program. Now, I mentioned last night 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.279 that these figures include Tucker Carlson. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.920 I feel like I've been hearing that Iran is weeks 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.599 away from nuclear weapon for bid least twenty five years. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:30.680 Well. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.200 Trump today took back control of the American First notion 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.719 and he posted it on truth social that America first 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.160 means great many, a great many things, including the fact 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.359 that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. And he also 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:51.160 directly responded to Tucker Carlson in another post, saying, somebody 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.840 please explain to Kouki Tucker Carson that Iran cannot have 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:01.000 a nuclear weapon. Now, these posts from the President today 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.720 are crucial because figures like Carlson have been trying to 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.640 claim ownership of the America First agenda. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:09.839 But America First does. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.839 Not mean sitting back while our enemies develop nukes, and 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.840 it does not mean platforming Hitler apologists or whipping up 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.640 racism against Jews and Israelis. Well, this rift in the 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.640 Maga movement between the isolationists and the traditional conservative Republicans 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.800 will now deepen, and there's an anxious weight as well 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.360 as Trump decides whether to negotiate with Iran or unleash 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.280 the Mother of All bombs to destroy the nuclear sites 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:46.040 that are otherwise impenetrable. And what Trump decides matters more 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:51.520 than anything. America's bunkerbusters are desperately needed to obliterate Iran's 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:56.840 nuclear production. Yet even as Tehran indicates its desire now 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.159 to talk, there's no sign it would give us up 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.760 its long held goal for nuclear weapons, and Israel is 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:09.560 still expressing every intent to destroy then nuclear sites militarily. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.840 And it's a point Israel's ambassador to the United States, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.360 Yehiel later confirmed today. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.920 We've always been ready to go to the negotiating table. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.240 The problem is that the Iranians have been saying, let's 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.720 negotiate for fifteen years at the same time they're racing 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.400 towards a nuclear bomb. What really amazes me about the 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.400 G seven is that the only leader there who understands 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.360 history and understands where we should be going into the 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.480 future seem to see President Trump. The European leaders are 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.600 repeating the same mistake they made eighty years ago when 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.920 there was a little guy with a mustache running around 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.480 Europe saying he was going to annihilate the Jews and 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.360 was threatening the countries around him, was spreading chaos around Europe, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.040 and the European leaders said, no, now, let's appease them. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.000 It's going to be okay. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.440 And the ambassador also said in that interview to expect 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.080 more astonishing surprises in the coming days. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.800 Our commitment is to eliminate and we have some surprises 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.560 up our sleeves. There are still a lot of things 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.440 that we can do, and. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.760 He said those surprises would be as great as the 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.120 Hesbela pager operation. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.480 So we'll see. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.440 And he made the same point that I did here 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.720 last night, that Israel's action now is to ensure a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.680 future of peace, not more war. And this is a 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.280 vision that Nedinnja, who has been building towards for a 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:35.600 long time. But you can't reach peace without eliminating the 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:36.840 threats against you. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:37.880 Now. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:38.520 When I met with. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.520 Nedinyahu in Jerusalem in October, was a privilege to have 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.400 that opportunity, and he spoke about his vision for the region. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.439 I asked him about it, and. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.000 He said it included removing the existential threat from Iran 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:57.920 and building stronger ties with the modern Arab nations. But 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.200 the Prime Minister said that I can and share with 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.400 you three things that he spoke about Netinyao, who spoke 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.960 strongly about the threat of Iran. He said the threat 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.679 of Iran is not only to Israel's survival, but to 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.599 the Middle East and to Western civilization. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.880 He said that Israel. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.440 Is fighting the broader war against terrorists who want to 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.480 take us all back to the dark ages, and with 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.160 the war raging, he spoke about the prospect of peace. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.840 He still hopes. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.440 He said that the deal to normalize relations with Saudi 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.480 Arabia will go ahead. I can tell you that the 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.080 criticism from Washington that Nettaya, who doesn't have a plan, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.079 or that he doesn't know what he's doing in this war, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.679 is utterly wrong. After speaking with him at length, he 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.200 does have a clear strategy for the war, and he 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:57.320 outlined it. It's obvious his motive is the survival of 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.040 the Jewish state, but he's also fi the terrorists and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.920 Iran to protect the. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.199 World from dark forces. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.720 And it's why any day now we're expecting Israel to 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:14.120 take on Iran and not let the evil Aotolas live 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:19.319 out their dream to destroy Israel, and not just Israel, but. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.160 All of us in the West. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.760 So eight months on from my report in Israel, we 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.400 are now finally seeing Natanyahu's vision begin to come to fruition, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.840 and the strategy is smart. Israel has all but destroyed 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:40.600 Iran's proxies and hamas and Hezbela, which leaves Tehran vulnerable. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.920 It doesn't have its terrorist armies to launch missiles and 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.440 rockets across the border. And if Trump does have the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.480 courage to join Israel. This could end the financing of 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.559 terrorism and create a safer, more secure, more prosperous Middle 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:58.880 East than at. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.720 Any point in living memory. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:01.680 Now. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.760 Fox News host Mike Levine makes a similar point in 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.920 The New York Post today, Mark Levin, I should say 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.160 in his article about how isolationism is the same as appeasement, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.200 it was a great article. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:12.760 He says. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.960 If all goes well, it will result in a transformed 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.280 Middle East, an expansion of the Abraham Accords, and a 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.760 world free of a nuclear terror regime. They Nedenyahu and 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:28.199 Trump are achieving what forty seven years of prior policies 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.079 have not. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.760 This is a real peace plan, and. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.560 Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeio is also lending his 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.719 voice to the argument that America needs to step in. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.079 We should help Israel achieve its ultimate objective, whether that's 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.120 providing those specialized ammunition our munitions rather or a set 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.320 of other operations that the Israelis I am confident have 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.680 in their arsenal. We should facilitate the end of Fortat. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:57.920 We should make sure it goes away. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.040 Isn't it a that Pompeios no longer part of Trump's 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.400 in a circle. It's extraordinary to me as well. Another 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.520 point that we saw hundreds of thousands protests to free 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:13.400 Palestine Palestine, but where are the protesters to free Iran? 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.360 This shows that for the left in politics, in the media, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.479 in the public, it's not about the lives of Palestinians 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.320 or Iranians. They don't care about that. It's only about 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:29.040 attacking Israel. And there's still very little gratitude toward Israel 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.160 for having the courage to take on this evil, tyrannical 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:38.360 Islamist regime where women are cruelly oppressed, there's no freedom 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.000 of speech and no human rights, but none of that 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.240 matters to the woke left. The only thing they care 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.320 about is delegitimizing Israel. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.280 And we'll come back to Israel. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.160 We've got Janni Bishan and Leah Mend's in Tellivision shortly, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.200 plus Elon Levy later in the show. Now, let's bring 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.679 in our panel tonight, former Speaker of the House from 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.600 and Bishop and outgoing Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.000 Welcome to you both. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.360 Robin, do you agree that the United States at this 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:17.000 point needs to step in and help completely destroy photo 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.280 in particular the nuclear sites that Israel just doesn't have 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.040 the ability to do so militarily. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.079 Well, I think Donald Trump's made it quite clear that 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.160 he will give support to Israel to see that it 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.679 is impossible for Iran to have an atomic bomb, and 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.480 I think the messaging he set out says that he 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.319 will do whatever he has to do to see that occur. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.320 And I don't think he's in this time calling anyone's bluff. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.240 I think he needs it. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.000 And I think the fact that Australia has been so 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.760 pathetic in not supporting any of the actions that Israel 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.600 has taken and the initiative that Trump is taking has 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.080 resulted in Albanesi being snubbed. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.079 Very, very publicly. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:17.280 And I think I'm embarrassed to see prime minister of 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:24.000 my nation so humiliated because he was lacking encourage. And 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.880 when I see the words of Penny Wong and I 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:31.840 look at the relationship between China and Iran, I asked myself, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.560 are we being influenced by the Chinese Communist parties policies 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.640 in what we are doing with regard to the Middle East? 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.560 And I think that's something it needs to be explored. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.400 It's an interesting question. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.640 I want to come back to Trump's snub of Albanize 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.760 in a minute, But Holly, I just want to stick 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:56.920 with the situation in the Middle East. I think it 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.920 is really worrying to see that the Republican movement has 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:07.640 been hijacked by maga isolationists who are racist, selfish and 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 have this narrow minded view of the world where clearly 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.520 they don't think America should be the leader of the 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:13.160 free world. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.160 Well, we know when we sort of look at politics 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.640 and we see the left and the right, and if 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.080 you go far enough, they come back together again. And 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.920 if you look at what's happened with some of those 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.040 on the far left and their pro Palestinian stance, and 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.200 then some on the far right that have actually moved 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.560 to an anti Israel stance, you can see them sort 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.000 of conjoining together. And what I think is a really 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.120 scary group that should never sort of be left alone 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.720 and unsupervised. And now they're all singing from the same 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.080 song sheet. I mean, I think what Bibby's been doing 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:45.160 is just extraordinary. And the commentary that Israel needs the 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.920 US to come in, and I'm sure it would be 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.640 incredibly helpful and supportive, but I have incredible faith in 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.280 what Mossad and the Idea have coming next. I think 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.720 they're big surprises, tend to be quite spectacular, so he's 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.960 hoping there's a good one. But to your point about 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.520 Iran and the left and the absolute poor treatment human rights, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:12.560 lack of particularly for women, the rights of LGBTI posted today, 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:18.200 support for the Iranian people or support for Iran. I 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:19.600 think we could buy a few of them, or one 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.000 way ticket over to Iran, because I think we know 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.760 how they'd be welcomed. It's the same when they got 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:25.480 to Palestine. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.080 Sure, but if they support the Iranians, they should be 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.320 supporting Israel's. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.119 These people don't understand. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.880 They don't understand that would be a technical actually understanding 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.960 the oppression of the Iranian people by this regime as 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.000 opposed to supporting this regime. But as you say, they're 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:41.800 just anti USY. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.320 All right, Well, let's return to the fact that Trump 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.000 canceled his meeting with alban Easy today. Now, of course, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.760 on one hand, that's understandable. He had to rush back 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.760 to the Middle East. But he could have organized another 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.040 time to have the meeting. He could have quickly had it. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.440 I mean, he did have time for other meetings with 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.520 other world leaders. The truth is that Alberanizi's left wing 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:06.600 ideology and offensive statements toward Israel and America, who he's 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.080 treated with disdain, while as Bronwin says, he's been closing 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:10.760 up to China. 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.640 This has cost him. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.280 So it has put Australia, when it's put Alberizi in 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:21.640 an embarrassing situation, but it's making Australia increasingly irrelevant when 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.960 it comes to foreign policy discussions. And I think Dave 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.000 Shima made this point really well, and Chris Kenny earlier. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.800 Have a look Pennywong and Anthony Alberanzi when it comes 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.119 to the Middle East, we've made ourselves irrelevant. You know, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.399 the first person that Pennywong spoke to after this Israel 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.240 around conflict broke was the Iranian Foreign Minister, not the 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.040 Israeli Prime Minister, not other allies. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:44.800 As far as i'm a w. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.800 I think that really sums it up. Bromwin. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.000 What Dave said, The first person, as far as we 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.440 all know that pennyone spoke to it was the Iranian 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:53.080 Foreign Minister. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.120 What is going on? 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.880 Well, that just reinforces the point I made are we're 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.800 being influenced by the statements Wong and Albanesi are making, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.159 because that is the Chinese Communist Party's attitude, and the 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.639 fact that he would go or rather she would go 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.920 and speak to the Iranian ambassador simply reinforces that point 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.800 to my mind. I mean, China buys its oil from Iran. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.320 It is a close relationship. If you're a Chinese citizen, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.320 you can go and stay for twenty one days in Iran. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:26.760 Without a visa. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:32.240 It's a very close relationship. And we've seen this government 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:37.320 of ours when we've had Chinese warships in our waters, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.600 when we've had members of our own defense forces misadventured 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:43.879 or attacked. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:44.960 Use whatever word you like. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.520 There was not a word of criticism. So I am 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.600 very worried about the subversive way. Perhaps that's too strong 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.480 a word, but to me, there's something going on that 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:57.359 doesn't make sense. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.160 I agree, I. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.919 Completely agree, Holly, what do you think about this? I 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.440 agree with what Dave Sharma said that Albanisi and Pennywong 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.720 through their foreign policy positions on our allies, including the 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.720 derogatory way they often speak about Albani. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:14.159 President Trump. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.200 I mean, it's just meant that we're no longer given 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:19.159 a seat at the table. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:20.240 Well, we're not relevant. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.600 And I think what Albanezi and Wong and others' comments 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.199 Kevin Wright, our ambassador to the United States, also has 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.879 said about Donald Trump in the past, would probably not 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.160 make us the higher priority for them to become best 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.639 buds with. But I think what was interesting, and you know, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.320 when you look at Prime Minister Karney, he hosted sort 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.480 of the tier two leaders about an hour hour and 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.120 a half away from where the G seven was being hosted, 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.600 and so there was sort of no crossover. There was 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.120 no top tier and second tier leader dinner together tonight, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.800 so there was no opportunity for just a quiet chat 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.879 over dinner before Donald Trump left because Prime Minister Karney 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.240 kept in Seraph whereas Boris Johnson had previously Scott Morrison 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.040 had everyone together and had those organizations working more closely. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.720 So you know, his Prime Minister Cannie really that kin 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.080 on having us at the table as well. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.080 I just think there's another point that's important. There was 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.840 a great fanfare, what a wonderful job k rud had 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.080 done in organizing this meeting. We've got a time, It's 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.000 twenty minutes. This is the meeting time. What a fantastic 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.360 job he's done with his insights and his connections. He 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.120 actually went to Canada with the Prime Minister to hold 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:34.359 his hand, which I just find amazing in terms of 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.440 we have diplomatic relations in Canada, but there's k Rudd 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:39.560 note to hold his hand. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:39.840 Now. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.800 I have seen personally in the chamber of that relationship 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.919 between Kevin Rudd and Albanesi over the years, absolutely, And 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:55.119 I remember Albanesi hosting a dinner with a group of 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.560 friends in a restaurant I was attending when they were 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.600 planting the coup to get rid of or to put 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.600 Kevin Rudd back for the second time. Yeah, and so 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.320 it's a close relationship. And I think Albin easy depends 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.760 on Kevin Rodd. But Kevin Rodd clearly hasn't got the connection. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.560 So one of the ramifications is there going to be 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.360 a change in the representation we have in Washington over 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.200 this or are we going to try and spin it away? 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.679 Nothing happened, nothing to see here, It's all. 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:32.240 It's Drowse fault again. Like everything else, it'll faults. Of course. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:32.760 Of course. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.800 The one limit of hope, though, was that it did 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.640 sound in a way like Trump was backing in awkurs. 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.600 So he was at least nodding his head, have. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.280 A look, yep, we're proceeding with that. It's a really 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.200 important deal to both of this. I think the person 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.080 that was doing a review, we did a review when 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.560 we came into governments, So that makes good sense to me. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.360 But it's a really important. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.800 We're very long time partners and allies and friends, and 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.520 we've become friends in a short period. So he didn't 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.200 directly address aucus. 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.440 He didn't disagree with the sentiment, but I mean, look, 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.920 I already spoke about this last week, Colli. The president 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.360 is using orcus as a bargaining tool to get alb 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:14.840 and easy to lift his defense spent. 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.240 And you know, I've done a few other shows I 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.400 do Pete Stefanovic of Monday Morning and talking to Matt 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.960 Fisilwait and him using. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:23.480 The dollar figure. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.680 They keep talking about, oh, but we're spending dollars here, 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.159 we're spending dollars here because they cannot acknowledge it's a 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:32.359 percentage of GDP, and then everyone else absolutely missing the point. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.840 They don't understand what the issue is, and yet they're 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.080 still trying to spin it of but we're spending ten 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.600 million dollars here, or we're spending fifty billion dollars. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.160 Not spend not at all. 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.480 And then Richard Miles's you know, we need to know 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.320 what we're going to spend it on. If anyone doesn't 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.560 hasn't realized yet. Defense is really a finance portfolio. You're 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.520 not going down to the local costco to see what 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.000 bullets are on sale. As Defense Minister, it's actually working 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:55.840 with the brass to make sure that Australia has the 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.440 right strategic responses in place. And you know, these guys 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.919 clearly don't understand how it works, and we look. 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:05.080 So pathetic compared to a nation with courage and who 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.720