WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 22 April 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.320 Lee, welcome the Late Bay. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.399 Well, good evening, It's great to have your company. I'm 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.200 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling in for Caleb Bond, 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.440 who's home unwell tonight. We wish you all the best. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.599 Caleb is Denika de Georgio. We've got a lot to 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:22.160 get through tonight, including Sunshine Coast Twins go viral around 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.639 the world after a TV interview. You've got to see 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.520 to believe. We'll show you that a little later. Plus 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.440 when we look at what's making news tomorrow, Peter Dutton 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.080 with a big announcement on defense spending and the cyclist 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:39.080 involved in a crash involving Dan Andrews awarded a massive payout. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.040 All of that coming up shortly, but first let's start 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.720 the program by asking how do you think the Teals 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.400 elected on a platform of transparency and integrity are going. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.720 Here's how Teal MP Monique Ryan began when elected to 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.760 Parliament three years ago. Have a listened. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.800 In recent years, the people of Australia have lost faith 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.720 in our political system. We have been shamed by the 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.200 lack of integrity and transparency that it has shown. We 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.160 have lost trust in its processes. And have become disaffected 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.640 and disappointed. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.360 Well that was then, But here's Melik Ryan. Now, oh yeah. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.199 We don't want to interrupt, but we just wanted to. Yeah, 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.399 we are well in the interest of bit of transparency. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.840 We just thought maybe we just want to know how 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.320 your campaign's going this morning. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.959 Well, thanks, Laura, I am here to engage your photos 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:34.600 through a prepole. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.080 It's at election. Yeah, so I'm not. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.839 Sure that this really ideal for you to be interrupting 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.000 that process. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.240 Have you had any other have you ready? 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.760 I'm not sure what process our Sky News colleague Laura 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:55.800 Jays was interrupting. If Meniku Ryan wants to engage with voters, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.160 I would have thought, Liz and Anika that talking to 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.960 the media is a pretty good and standard way to 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.920 engage with voters. Is this what the teals mean by 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.480 politics done differently? 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.080 Clearly? 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.400 Clearly it looks exactly like the old model. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.000 So I'm a little bit confus here. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.880 It always amuses me when politicians do this while they're 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.359 scurrying away from cameras, being like, oh, I'm in the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.600 middle of something else. I've got somewhere else to be 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.919 talk to us, like where your employer, because we are 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.160 we pay your salary, we elect you, we get to 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.280 decide whether or not you get another gig, and you 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.200 bet your bottom dollar, lady. There are plenty of people 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.600 in Quyong who watch Sky, so by talking to Laura Jays, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.680 you're probably talking to thousands of those voters whose votes. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.399 You want to turn in your direction. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.440 Probably not going to happen, though, if you're watching Sky, Tanika. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:53.200 No, definitely not. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.720 And look here we go again with that money crime. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.360 Sorry doctor money cry, Please don't get that wrongs getting 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:00.679 that one. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.920 Rosbie is DoD Monique Ryan. But look here we go again. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.639 There seems to be some confusion for a person who 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:11.280 was elected on a platform of integrity and transparency, doctor 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.679 Monique Ryan just can't quite grasp that concept. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.040 Now. What I particularly liked it from that clip was 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.680 she couldn't just come out and you know, say a 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:21.560 couple of lines. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.359 She then had to get a junior staffer, I presume 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.120 it was a junior staffer to trot ride in and 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.840 then say to Laura Jay's, no, no, sorry, she doesn't 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.480 want to speak. There she is on screen again. If 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.840 you're at a public spot, you want to be elected, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.040 you can't be acting shocked and surprised when the media 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.440 comes knocking at your door wanting to ask genuine questions 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.400 about integrity, because well, who could forget this classic moment 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.360 from Anique Ryan only a few weeks ago on the ABC. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:51.960 You'd have to give that some thought. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:58.920 Well, uh, I would think that it would be clear. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:05.440 I don't know. I think. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.000 I'd have to give you some thought. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.840 Oh dear, it never gets any better to watch that. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.360 But this just is what bothers me about the tials. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.560 And I'm not just talking solely about Monique Ryan. I'm 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.560 talking about. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:18.120 All of the tills. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.480 They always run away when it comes to anything that 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.040 I want to talk about. It's run, run, run, Well, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.760 how are you supposed to vote for you if you're 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:26.479 going to run away? 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.479 Well, it's your point out. It's not just the teal 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.080 politicians who run away, it's also their husband's his Monique 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:37.720 Ryan's husband taking down liberal coreflute signs and running away. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.400 They hang on, mate, what are you doing? I'm taking 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.479 the yeah, beg you pardon, I'm taking the side out. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:45.440 What are you doing that for? 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:47.520 It's on public land. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.359 What amazes me, Liz is how many sections of the 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.000 media continue to fam over the Teals who have been 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.320 exposed over the past three years as rank hypocrites when 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.440 it comes to integrity and trans experiency. They're as bad 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.040 as everybody else. They are not distinguishing themselves at all, 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.400 and yet certain sections of the media continue to fawn 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.919 over them as if there's some new revelation of political 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.600 discourse in the country. They're not. They're the same as 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.279 everybody else, if not worse. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.640 Indeed, and it's going to be very interesting to see 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.680 how they go this second round, because only once can 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.440 you tell people we're going to be so different, We're 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.120 going to be standouts this lot. We are not like them. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.960 You can't pull that one trick pony twice. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:33.479 Well. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:39.039 Around the nation yesterday, early voting centers opened everywhere the 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.880 game is on, except for in Quaker's Hill, where a 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:48.919 truck bearing liberal signage pulled into the Quaker's Hilk Community 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:54.560 Center and promptly struck the voting center so hard it 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.280 shunted its roof on to the vehicle, So that has 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.000 been shut down for safety purposes. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.200 So if you're in Quakers. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.080 Hill and you are hoping to go to your early 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.120 voting center, well it's just not gonna happen. But get this, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:15.480 when the driver realized what he'd done, he promptly removed 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.160 the Liberal signage. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.080 Here is, oh, here is. We're watching him do it, 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.880 So nobody knew that this was a Liberal truck that 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:27.880 had done this. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.880 No, no, he's designaging here's truck. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.480 So it could have been any truck. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.279 It could have been anyone that had done this, which 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.280 makes it even more hilarious. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.599 I mean, you did the crime. Just put your hand 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.680 up and be like, ah, you. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.520 Know why the Liberal Party truck crashed, don't you. It 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:50.000 didn't turn right hard enough. That was the problem. But 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.240 of course it makes a mockery of the Liberal slogan 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.960 back on track. It certainly doesn't seem to be back 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.440 on track, but at least they can say their campaign 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.520 hasn't been a train wreck. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.039 You are really rolling out these punk rehearsing all night. Look, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.240 the cover up is always worse than the crime, is it. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.159 I mean, they shouldn't have been ripping that material. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:09.279 Off, though. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.960 I do spare a thought for the people of Quakers 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.680 Hill now because the Australian Electoral Commission has come out 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.440 saying that perhaps this facility, this particular pre pole facility 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.720 may need to be relocated in the next couple of 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.400 days because of this accident. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:26.840 You're a thought for Quaker's Hill. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.320 At the very least, Sime stopped the voats and stopped 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:29.679 the vote. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.000 That's live. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.800 We're roof off this play. That's how amazing we are. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.120 Well, if you miss the leader's debate tonight, news flash, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.760 you missed nothing. They said nothing except for the same old, 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.320 crusty lines that you've already heard for weeks. I've said 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.600 it before, these debates. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.840 Fall on deaf ears when for. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.120 The better part of an hour, whoever is currently in 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.760 power and their opponent, in this case the leaders, but 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:01.440 we've heard from. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.760 The energy ministers, et cetera, and so on. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.800 All they seem to do at nauseum is state facts 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.880 the other one. It chooses them of lying, then the 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.520 other one. It chooses the other one of lying, and 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.920 everyone sat at home going okay, well, who's telling the truth. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:24.240 For a perfect example of this from tonight's debate, look 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.640 no further. When they got to the hot topic of 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:30.160 health cuts. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.280 The Prime Minister stands here with a straight face and 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.200 says what he knows not to be true, And I 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.920 think again, it'd be great to see him called out 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:45.520 because he continues to repeat these mistruths and Australians deserve 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.320 better from Well they're prime, Minister, that's true. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.560 You described it as a cut if you were twenty 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.760 fourteen budget described it as a cut as a saving. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.520 If you'll been honest, fifty health EACHYB and education. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.280 You ripped eighty dollars out of those two items in 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:03.400 two thousand and four. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.480 Minister, you couldn't liice straight in bed. Honestly, this is unbelievable. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.760 It can go to abuse. Well, it's just the gas 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:09.840 for real abuse. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.080 That's a sign of desperation. Frankly, as he's lying, that's 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.199 a sign of desperation. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.600 And nobody's sitting at home. Is any the wiser telling 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.840 the truth here? Nobody knows and who's got the time 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.680 to do the research. That's why they watched the debate. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.000 They're trying to get a clear idea about these two 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.400 and what they stand for. But I got to give 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.000 it to him Albo when asked about cost of living, well, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:37.760 he did really well tonight. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.880 Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:41.640 three years time? 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:41.880 Oh? 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.199 We certainly want people to be better off in three 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.840 years time, and that is what it's about. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.079 But that's what you said three years ago, and nobody 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.880 is I got to say. I think the star of 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.800 tonight's debate was the moderator, who, before either of them 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.599 had said a word, opened the debate by saying, well, guys. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.079 The polls show that one in three Aussies isn't voting. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.599 For either of you, so go your hardest. I'm paraphrasing, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.120 but I thought it was a mic drop moment just 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.560 to look at the amount of Assies. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.439 That's a huge majority. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.080 Well not majority, but obviously one in three that is massive, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.320 being like, we are not voting for either of the 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:27.720 major parties this time round. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:28.520 Was sick of both of them. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.080 Yeah, And this is the problem right now because look, 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.880 I actually think that Peter Dutton performed very well in 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.840 that debate. I think it was his sharpest performance compared 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.640 to the one on the ABC last week where he 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.640 did look more stress more nervous, even though. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.400 I thought that was good. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.480 But the thing for Peter Dutton now is he needs 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.479 some knockout blows. There's only two weeks left of the campaign. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.280 He now has to come firing on all fronts because 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.360 the Poles are against him. There are a lot of 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.079 disillusioned voters out there. The soft vote is higher than 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.040 ever and he needs to try and convince those voters 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.520 to come over to his side. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:00.920 Form very well. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.120 The question is that going to be enough now to 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.560 convince the disillusioned voter, to convince the undecided voter. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.600 I'm not so sure. Again. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.200 Albanisi showed his true colors tonight when it came to 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.000 the cost of living. It goes to show he really, 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.080 in the last three years hasn't quite got a grasp 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.360 on what the cost of living crisis is. My standout 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.720 moment of this debate though, was when the leaders were 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:29.319 both asked about the would you preference another party? And 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.760 this is what they said, have a look at this. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.679 Will you do a deal with minority parties? 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.800 Prime Minister no, mister Dutton, not with. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.920 The Greens, but with independence. And that's not a truthful 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.040 answer from the Prime Minister there of this. It's not 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.440 that the Labor Party will fall over themselves to do 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:45.880 a deal. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:46.559 With the Greens. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.720 It's it's just you preference them. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.840 Truth put forward put forward by Peter Well. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.720 We obviously know that Anthony Albanesi is lying here because 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.160 the polls say it's like to be a minority. A 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.040 minority Labor Greens and Till's government a couple of tills 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.840 scattered in here and there. Anthony Albanesi will definitely do 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.360 a deal with the Greens when push comes to shove. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.280 We saw it back in the Gillard era. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.840 It was a disaster back then, but this brand of 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.560 Greens is even more dangerous. They are a disaster for 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.320 this country. And we can rest assured that Anthony Aarbernesi, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.000 despite his ducking and weaving on the issue, he will 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:24.920 do a deal if he has to. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.560 Jake, I'm sure he will. What's fascinating, and you made 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.679 the point. Peter Dutton's got, what is it, ten days 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.600 left of this campaign. He's got to come out firing 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.640 and this, to me is the fascinating part of tonight's 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.400 debate and the next week and a bit going forward. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.079 Peter Dutton has to nail Anthony Albanesi. But the problem 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.280 he has is people are put off by his hard 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.880 man image. So he's trying to sell himself as soft 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.960 and as relatable and as a guy that we would 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.600 all warm to. But it's very hard to maintain that 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.640 image while nailing the Prime Minister as a liar and 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.400 a fraud. And you saw that in the that you 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.520 played earlier, Liz, where he's accusing Anthony Albanesi of not 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.240 being able to lie straight in bed. But he's just 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.160 not that convincing because instead of going really hard, you 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.400 feel like he's pulling his punches because he knows he 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.800 can't come across as a hard man. Richard Miles, the 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.960 Deputy Prime Minister, made the point after the debate that 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.680 Dutton had come across as agro and it's very clear 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.000 what the Labor Party are going to do. Anthony Alberzi 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:30.839 accused Peter Dutton of being personal and launching abuse at 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.920 him during the debate. So Dutton's got this problem. He's 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.640 got to really nail Anthony Albanesi as deceitful and as 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.960 a liar. And that's surely Elbanese's weakness in the electorate 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.960 two hundred and seventy five dollars power decrease. We all 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.520 know that was a lie, but how does he make 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.000 that point forcefully enough while still being a good guy 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.200 who's not the tough image that so many voters are rejecting. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.640 The leaders were asked what they admired about each other, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.000 which is always an interesting way of gauging not only 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:07.360 their relationship but how gracious they are. Here's the response, are. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.160 Three things you would admire about him? 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:14.280 Three I only ever prepare for. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.319 One was a problem. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.080 Let me say this, he that's way above his average 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:21.560 with Kiraly. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.320 He has a terrific family. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.320 I've had the privilege and he clearly cares about them, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.520 and that's a terrific thing. Longevity in politics he's been 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.200 We've been in Parliament for basically the same amount of time, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.600 almost both been there for more than twenty years. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:39.520 That's an achievement. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.320 Acknowledged the Prime minister's support of UCAS from opposition, and 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.440 it wasn't an easy outcome. As he pointed out, he 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.440 was satisfied that nuclear energy was safe, but he'd got 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.480 that through the caucus, which was a difficult thing and 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.120 aucus when we negotiated it, it was about underpinning our security 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:57.960 for the next century. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.320 I don't how many people who have noticed how clever 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.480 Peter Dutton was there. He congratulated Anti Albanzi on his 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.240 support of ORCUS and managing to Convince Caucus that nuclear 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.880 energy was safe, which of course goes to the labor 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.720 campaign against nuclear power. Yeah, being used in the grid Dnika. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:15.800 Clever work by correct. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.040 I think the problem though with this debate overall, was 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.640 it covered the same ground that we've heard time and 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.080 time again, and what we actually want to see is 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.040 a differentiation in policies and we yet. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.360 To see that, unfortunately. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.720 But look, let's move on, because of course it is 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.520 Anzac Day this week. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:31.760 Now. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.400 I don't know about you, but when I was in school, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.840 it was a day that we celebrated. It was a 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:37.880 day that we paused to. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.800 Remember and it actually had meaning and significance. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.040 We were taught about the history of our ANZACs and 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.000 it really really was important. But the question now in 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.400 twenty twenty five is how many school students actually now 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.440 understand the important meaning behind that day. But there is 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.680 now a new push to teach Ossie students about why 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.000 war matters. I'm surprised we even have to go there. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.240 But the Center of Indo Pendant Studies adjunct fellow doctor 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.080 Fiona Mueller says that students should be discussing the bigger 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.120 meaning behind Anzac Day, such as why a free and 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.360 democratic country goes to war and why it matters. In 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.920 twenty twenty five, she said the number of young people 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.080 who would be willing to fight for their country had 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.280 decreased to just twenty seven percent. And she's blaming a 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.960 lack of young people willing to fight for Australia a 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.720 lack of understanding about the core Anzac values which we 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.680 all know and love courage, makeship and sacrifice as well 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.080 as humor to forge our nation's identity. Now, back in 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:36.200 twenty thirteen, there was quite a disturbing survey which came 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.640 out and it actually found that our students find Anzac 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.560 day history deadly, boring and irrelevant to their lives. It 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.000 found that students are more likely to value indigenous perspectives 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.040 learning about the Stolen generation. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.480 At exploring history through refugee stories. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.680 And that is exactly the problem here because what we 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.840 are seeing now and I think this is a direct 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.560 correlation to this story, is in doctrination in schools, because 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.960 kids are being taught not about the values that our 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.600 Anzak's left us, and also that soldiers who continue to 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.640 fight for us those core values. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.360 Of matship, perseverance. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.280 It's no longer that it is learning about indigenous culture, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.040 it is apologizing to the stolen generation. It is young 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.119 children being told no, no, no, it is your fault. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.000 It is your fault. And this is why the culture 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.360 wars matter, because this next generation is being brainwashed into 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.359 completely thinking that we are the enemy here in this country. 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.480 That's why we see the protests on Australia Day, that 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.160 is why we constantly see these people wanting to tear 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.320 down the colony, as they constantly say. And that's what 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.800 I think the key issue here is this is what 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.480 the left want, and this is a direct result of 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:47.720 the lefts indoctrination. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:53.600 They've spent decades reshaping and diluting our traditions and our institutions. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.640 And so now we find ourselves with the Chinese and 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.440 the Russians starting to eye off our vast compt which 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:05.639 is completely defenseless, containing rich minerals, and only about a 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.760 quarter of our young people say they'd bother to fight 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.840 for our country. Well, of course they wouldn't bother fighting 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.679 for our country, having been taught, as you said, Danika, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.000 about how terrible our country has been, the illegitimacy of 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.760 our country, rather than the Anzac spirit the courage, the sacrifice, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.880 and why it was so important that we defended liberty 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.080 and democracy. Of course, human nature being what it is is, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.200 you'd always prefer to hear the negative side of things 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.400 and how bad and how evil things were, rather than 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.160 the stories of heroism and sacrifice. But of course those 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.439 stories aren't even being told. Kids learn the date of 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.560 Gallipoli landing, they learn the geography of it, but it's 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.320 never explained to them why that battle was so important, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.720 why Australians were so motivated to fight. And we've got 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.600 a real problem on our hands at a time where 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.800 everybody is saying we live in a very precarious geopolitical situation. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.439 Our young people have been indoctrinated to leave that our 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:01.240 country is bad. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:06.000 Indeed, no wonderingly twenty seven I'm surprised it's that high. Actually, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.040 twenty seven percent would fight for this country. I wouldn't 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.640 fight for this country, and God knows I'm a fighter. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.200 But I'll tell you why. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:19.080 People want to say, oh, it's complicated, it's nuanced. It's 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:24.080 a culmination of reasons, multifarious reasons as to why every 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:30.680 single Western country cannot recruit to their military. Every single 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:35.679 Western country is struggling to make anywhere near the number 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.560 that they're allowed to have by law in their armed forces. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.880 And this is the reason why, in my humble opinion, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.119 and this is also the reason why I say I 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.000 would not fight for Australia as it is today. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.320 The answer is, we don't have. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.680 A homogeneous society anymore. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.200 A third of us weren't even born. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.120 Here, and people who come here have divided loyalties. I'm 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.800 not blaming them for that. If I came from somewhere else, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.480 my ultimate loyalty would be to my motherland. You can 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.879 bet your bottom dollar back. In the seventies, Malcolm Frasier 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.600 and Golf Whitlam decided that multicultural Australia was going to 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.960 be a multicultural society. We were going to throw out 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.959 our homogeneous society. We were not going to stop requiring 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.000 people who come here to assimilate. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:30.359