WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 April 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:02.840 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.120 This is Sharry. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:07.720 Good Evening and welcome to the program. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.360 I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in this evening for Sharry markson 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.760 coming up on the program. The father who broke down 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.599 on National TV over the housing crisis camps outside the 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.319 PM's cliff top mansion. Everyone deserves a home, albow is 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:22.000 what he's saying. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:22.880 Got to say. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.880 It's hard to argue with that. The climate wars are 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.160 back done in an elbow. Pressed on whether climate change 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.240 has triggered recent natural disasters? 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.640 Is this what voters seriously care about right now? 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.400 The negative gearing stoush that's dominated the day's headlines. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.000 Can't wrap your head around what all the fuss is about? 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.760 Will walk you through it, Plus will go live to 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.559 the UK where JK. Rowling is celebrating after a landmark 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:53.040 UK Court decision said a woman is someone born biologically female. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.279 But first tonight, voters in this election are more disillusioned 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.240 than ever now. The election campaign is about to enter 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.920 alull over the Easter long weekend, followed by Anzac Day 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.280 next week, which leaves about eight days until election day. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.760 At the end of all that, and what does it mean? 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.640 Well, voters are largely tuned out because they're on holidays, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.039 and you mix that in with pre polling opening on Tuesday, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.560 and it doesn't really leave a lot of time to 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.759 convince undecided voters, and the polls show there are a. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.200 Lot of them. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.880 But the question remains, does the average voter right now 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.480 care or even know about the policies on the table 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.080 from the major parties now? The latest polls show that 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.959 Labor is headed for a minority, which is obviously a 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.000 disaster for this country. But I think there's a real 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.960 messaging problem this election campaign and from both sides, because 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.440 voters don't like Albo, but. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.360 They don't seem to know enough about Dutton either. Still, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:57.200 and the. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.560 Easter long weekend is bad timing for the opposition already 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.240 on the back foot, and Peter Dunnan issued this plea 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.240 to voters today. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.600 I hope that over Easter people are able to have 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.799 a conversation parents, to grandparents and to grandchildren about what 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.000 the next three years will look like. If mister Elbanezi 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.840 and mister Bant are elected, it will be a sliding 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.680 doors moment for our country, an end to negative gearing, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.799 higher taxes, higher spending, higher interest rates, the reality of 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.080 the last three years and how hard it's been and 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:26.959 it doesn't need. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:27.480 To be like this. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.160 And absolutely he's right because labor has left us broke 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.600 and backwards in the last three years. But compare this 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.080 to Anthony alb and Easy today whose glass jaw was well, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.840 it was on full display yet again as his lies 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:42.720 were exposed. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.160 Do you pull out meeting the greens demands on negative 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.120 gearing if you have to. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:52.920 Negotiate it, I reel out negotiating with the Greens. That's 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:59.480 even further for you. I have responded that lots of times. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.680 Again we get answer. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.120 We have our housing policy that we are taking forward 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.160 the Greens. I am not negotiating with the Greens. We 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.280 make it very clear. And what's more, the Greens have 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.000 said the one negotiable, theat non negotiable thing that they have, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.160 by the way, is that they want to support Peter Dutton. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:21.079 Yeah. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.160 And this is the issue with this Prime Minister because 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.160 he gets testy and angry when asked questions that he 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:27.160 simply doesn't like. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.240 Of course he doesn't want to talk about the. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.639 Greens because he knows he needs them. There are about 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.560 fourteen seats in this election that are still too close 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.680 to call, and I think it says a lot about 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.960 where he's at because there's only one topic that we 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.760 know he's comfortable. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.160 With, Peter Dutton. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.920 Peter Dunt, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.440 Yeah, it is always about Peter Dutton, isn't it. He's 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.880 so obsessed with Peter Dutton or everything else that really 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.119 actually has nothing to do with the cost of living crisis, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.960 not housing, not bringing power bills down by two hundred 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.720 and seventy five dollars, not immigration, not security, not defense, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.280 not anti semitism, and overall I did think that Peter 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.800 Dutton was the stronger performer in the leader's debate last night. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.560 He was fired up, he was on message, he caught 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.080 elbow on the hop for his lies, and was straight 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.200 to the point on the cost of living crisis. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.800 But there were no knockout blows. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.240 And this is the problem right now in this campaign 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:29.320 because quite frankly, the campaign is boring, it is dull, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.440 and it's been largely unengaging for undecided voters and is 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.000 reflecting in the polls. Swing and soft voters are the 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.320 cohort who decide elections. And this time around there are 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.400 more of that group than ever before, and Labour's support 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.960 remains much softer than the coalitions more than half of 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.159 its voters, so fifty seven percent say they were only 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.400 soft or leaning toward Labor, compared to thirty eight percent 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.799 of the Liberal and National Party's vote. So it really 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.080 makes interpreting the poll numbers more difficult. But that is 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.400 the cohort that Peter Dutton must now convince because these 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.400 are the voters that can indeed be persuaded. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.839 And the question is what messages from the leaders. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.719 Are actually sticking and how many people actually know what 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.120 is on offer. Last night's debate on the Public Broadcaster 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.960 unfortunately largely focused on overseas issues, and the media today 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.440 chose to focus on negative gearing. Now Alberizi is so 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.840 confused on this he couldn't give a straight answer to 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.880 the question about whether he modeled to scrap negative gearing, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.760 and obviously it's important that his lies are exposed. But 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.200 the reality is is that mum and dad, who are 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.520 struggling at home to put food on the table, I 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.839 would say probably could not give a rats. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.400 About negative gearing right now. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.440 It is not the story and This was, in my view, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.600 the key takeaway from that debate which should worry us all. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.559 When Anthony Alberzi was asked multiple times when he would 0:05:58.560 --> 0:05:59.919 bring power bills. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.600 Down, When will we see our power bills come down? 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.960 They are well, what we know is that renewables are 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.880 the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.359 but because of what the Australian Energy Market operator says 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:19.200 when the bills come down, and what the market is delivering. See, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.320 Peter has to have government, state, taxpayer funded. We stick 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.719 with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals. What we're dealing 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.919 with here. During the former government, twenty four out of 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.800 twenty eight coal fire power stations announce their closure. We 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:41.120 need to get supply and certain in energy security. We 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.920 can't wait till the twenty forties a nuclear. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.160 Just stick with your plan, mister Albinezy, When will the 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.799 bills come down under our plan? 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.000 We know that renewables are the cheapest form of power 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.960 and that is why we are doing that, rolling it out, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.719 including through gas. Peter Ray's gas gas is now thirteen dollars, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.640 was thirty dollars. And when we catch cheap when we 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.599 kind off thirteen is cheaper than thirty. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.440 When do we see the bills come down? 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.440 How many more times do you need to be asked? 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.680 And the answer, oh, thirteen is cheaper than thirty, Well, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.400 how about two hundred and seventy five dollars? Prime Minister? 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.080 How many times does he need to deflect and dodge? 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.720 What is the question of the election? And this just 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.320 shows Albow seriously has no idea about the cost of 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.680 living crisis, has no idea how to bring power bills down, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.840 and has no plans to keep the lights on in 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.840 this country and clearly is dead set on plunging us 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.400 into darkness through this renewables only fantasy. Three years ago 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.400 Albow pledged ninety seven times to bring our power bills 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.679 down by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.400 We haven't had that relief. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.960 Instead, power bills have risen by thirteen hundred dollars and 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.680 the Energy market Operator says bills will rise by nine 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.960 percent from July. And that should be enough to make 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.120 Albo a one term. That should have been the focus 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.000 today and this is the message the Coalition needs to 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:11.720 keep hammering. But as I said, the messaging fills off 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.760 in this campaign. Voters are disengaged and both sides are 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.160 struggling big time with their primary vote. Now, look, I've 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.640 got to say, I think it's got a lot to 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.800 do with the largely controlled settings in which we are 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.160 seeing these leaders in these debates, which are tightly controlled, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.720 the type press conferences in certain areas long gone. Are 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.319 these days, for example, when you actually see their leaders, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.000 they're out and about, out in the real world. You 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.600 can't miss these sorts of opportunities when they're out and about, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.920 and that's how you engage with the real voters. That's 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.080 how you meet the people, that is how you gauge 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.560 the sentiment, and that is how you put your election 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.000 commitments on the front page of the papers. But now 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.920 they're trying to avoid any bad moments and not to 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.920 mention the heightened security. It's all very fake in control 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.520 right now, and it's certainly not going to win over 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.440 the undercided voter in what is a boring campaign. And 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.160 to those who are already confused by the major parties, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.880 do voters care about the policies or they're easter break 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:21.439 right now? 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.760 And I think we know the answer. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.000 Joining us now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave and. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.040 WA opposition leader Basil Zemplus. Great to have you. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.040 Both on the show tonight. Thank you so much for 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:36.560 joining me. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:37.680 Gary. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.640 Look, as I just said, there is a massive soft 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.560 vote right now, one that we haven't seen in many, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.120 many elections in recent memory. There are a lot of 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.000 undecided voters. Can Peter Dutton get them on side with 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.800 really not a lot of time to go because of 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:57.080 the public holidays we've got coming up, Deniga. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.360 The shocking thing is that one in five voters walk 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.560 into a polling booth on a polling day, pick up 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.600 the pencil and say, I don't quite know. So you know, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.120 there's nothing unusual in this. I've been through multiple federal 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.920 election campaigns over since I was fourteen, so over the 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.199 last fifty years, and these things are getting drawn out 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.760 and tedious in the minds of good people like you, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.559 and understandably so. But a lot of people still don't 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.520 make their mind up until the last minute. Look, this 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.160 weekend is important for millions, in fact, billions of people 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.760 around the world. This is the weekend of the resurrection. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.800 This is what people want to talk about this weekend. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.320 So I'm praying for a political resurrection as well for 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.800 the Liberal Party campaign, because we have to have people 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.320 look very closely at the one question, and that is 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.920 are you better off than you were three years ago? 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.400 Simple answer, no. You talk about the two hundred and 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.760 seventy five dollars off your bill, that's each power bill. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.240 I don't know what it's like where you are, but 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.040 where I am in Queensland quarterly bills. So there's been 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.680 a dozen of them that I haven't had any relief on. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.320 As you say, the price has gone up, I am not. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.400 No one is better off than they were three years ago. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.640 And the Prime Minister's oblivious to this. It's double talk, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.680 it's spin, it's controlled, it's rubbish. And Peter Dunn't is 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.200 not Albow that is actually the biggest thing going for 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.880 him in the minds of a hell of a lot 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.400 of people. Albo's got to go. We'll just see what 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.400 happens whether the miracle of Easter transposes into the political world. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.920 Well, hopefully for that resurrection. As you just said, you're right. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.280 And the problem is is that voters don't like Albo. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.200 He is lied one too many times. But on the 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.880 other end, they don't really know a lot about Peter 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.160 dunn't either, and. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.680 Basil, this is why it's reflecting in the polling. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.560 Why do you think that parties are struggling so much 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.560 with their primary votes and why is that soft vote 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.560 so big this time? 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.360 Yeah, hard to know him for sure, but clearly there 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.960 is a level of disengagement. And I do agree with 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.160 you the stop start natured of this campaign. Firstly the 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.520 natural disaster that put a stop and put a stop 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.040 to the first start, and then clearly this long weekend 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.520 and then the ANZAC day long weekend, it hasn't been 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.480 particularly useful for people to get their momentum up. There 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.880 is no doubt that the fuel saving has been the 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.880 one big announcement, if you like, from the Liberal and 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.360 coalition that has made a difference and has resonated. And 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.680 so I wonder over the eight days that remain, might 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.880 Peter Dutton go to another measure like that or might 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.000 he have something like that ready to pull out because 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.360 it is going to take something like that, There's no 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.760 doubt the coalition. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:32.160 Of the underdogs. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.000 I agree, and I really like Peter Dutton's messaging on 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.560 that today he said very firmly in his press conference 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.200 he said we're. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.000 Going to save you money. And with the money that 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:40.960 we're going to save. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.200 You, you can go out and you can put it 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.880 towards your groceries. And I just thought that that was 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.480 a really, really smart line. We need to hear more 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.440 of that short, simple and smart messaging. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.520 But look, let's move on. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.760 Because a Sydney dad of three kids who recently broke 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.760 down on Q and A about the dire state of 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.520 cost of living and housing, well, he's decided to camp 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.800 outside Albow Mansion and have a look at this. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.720 I'm here at Elbows four and a half a million 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.319 dollar mansion just during down his one hundred million dollar road. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:09.839 We're here on behalf of three and a half a 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.400 million other Australians who are struggling, who are in poverty, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.559 facing homelessness. All we want is to be heard. All 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.640 we want is for the politicians to listen to us. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.760 Everybody deserves a home Albow. If you're watching this, if 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.720 you could go to cost of Living Casualties dot com 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.280 dot au and just tell us your story, we'd love 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.880 to hear it, and we'd love to pass it on 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.680 to some of those politicians and just let them know 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.000 how we're really struggling. And I just hope that we 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.040 can make this country a better place to live. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.640 And on Q and A last month, when he broke 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.480 down about his situation, have a look at these we've got. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:49.920 Nowhere to go. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.160 My family's already been forced out of Sydney for the 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:58.319 same reasons. I want to know, is the government going 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.920 to cut immigration to match housing availability or are we 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.840 just going to keep going until every regular working Australian 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:06.800 is homeless. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.000 You're former treasure Gary, what does it take for Anthony 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.160 Arbernezi to actually answer this question? Because nobody ever voted 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.720 for a big Australia, Yet here we are a big Australia. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.360 More than one million migrants have come into this country 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.960 and you've got genuine people out there like this man 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.160 who want to know how he's going to get himself 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:24.680 into housing. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.480 It's a question he must answer. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.360 And he's right because that's what Peter Dutton said. Let's 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.680 actually bring in the migrants to match the housing we've 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.520 got available, not try and play catch up. One point 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.000 eight million people are forecast to come to Australia the 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.200 next three years if Albow and the Greens are returned. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.200 Simple as that one point eight million people. Now, I'm 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.560 all for migration, but we've got a planet in a 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.040 way that we don't create resentment amongst those of us 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.800 who've been here for a longer period of time. And 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.560 that's the problem to niaque. For what purpose is our migration? 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.480 Are we going to bring in the trade skills? We 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.360 need to build the houses before we bring in the 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.240 people who are going to live in the houses. These 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.360 are questions the Prime Minister doesn't want to answer. I 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.160 mean equally, you know, I don't believe at Elbows million 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.040 dollar mansion that this chappy is outside of and good 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.760 on him for doing that. I don't believe he's going 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.600 to get a wind turbine there. And yet people all 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.080 along the Morton Bay coastline, in and around southeast Queensland, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.480 all along central Queensland, in and around the Darling Downs 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.480 are putting up with these dreadful industrialized wind turbines twenty 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.560 five million dollars a unit, ripping down trees, killing Kohala 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.560 is displacing them all for this renewable rubbish which is 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.520 going to produce about a half of one percent of 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.400 electricity for Queensland. This governor has lost its way. It's 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.200 on the wrong track. It's pretty simple. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.680 Yeah, it's pretty simple. It is. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.000 When you've got people like this who are forced to 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.480 camp out basil outside of the mansion, you know, it's 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.320 a pretty major indictment on the state. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:48.840 Of our times. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.520 Well it is, and it's an indictment on Labour's housing policy, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.400 which clearly has not delivered the new homes that it 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.720 said it would. On the messaging like that and the 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.360 amp out and the big sign out the front, I'm 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.520 not doubting the authenticity of it. There's certainly great sympathy 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.920 I think from people right around Australia for anybody who 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.840 finds themselves in that situation. I'm not certain though, if 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.200 it has a major impact on either. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.080 Of our political leaders. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.640 And I think those things, although well intentioned, as I say, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.880 probably very genuine, I'm not sure that they make their 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.960 mark in terms of what they're trying to achieve. There 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.200 is a mechanical failure with our housing policy. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.800 That's what needs to be fixed. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.480 And although that brings some attention to the issue, I 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.280 wonder whether it really penetrates. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.640 Yeah, that's certainly a fair comment. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.480 Let's talk about Peter Dutton's this eleventh hour pledge he's 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.480 made and aspiration to tackle that dreaded bracket creep will 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.240 obviously universally resent. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.760 Here is what he told the Australian newspaper. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.560 I want to see us move as quickly as we 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:57.320 can as a country to changes around personal income tax, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.520 including indexation. It would be an aspiration of it government 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.119 to achieve that because it provides equity in the tax 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.159 system and it's costly to do so. Some of the 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.879 figures are well over ten billion dollars a year in 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.840 terms of the cost of the budget for that measure, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:14.480 and it's not realistic to be able to. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:15.360 Commit to that now. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.600 Gary, I think this is a really bold policy. It's 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.240 about time we had some big vision policy on the table. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.919 But I guess the other thing is is that is 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.560 it too little too late? I mean, why not say 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.000 this at the start of the campaign? Why say it 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.679 halfway through? Because this election is coming up very quickly 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.480 on May third? 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:35.880 What's the strategy here? 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.080 And voting starts Tuesday for a lot of people and 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.000 can't come soon enough for plenty of others. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.359 Look, this is what we did and how it is. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.840 We paid down Labour's debt. We reminisce now about the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.520 ninety three billion dollar debt that we inherited in nineteen 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.480 ninety six, So if it was only that small now 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.040 and then we got on to structural reform. Peter Dutton's 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.399 experience in this he was in the ministry working with 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.600 Peter Costello. A lot of this structural reform around the 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.560 tax system, bringing down the absolute amount of tax we're 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.320 paying is really critical. Yes, the GSD came in, but 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.440 personal income tax then gives you the choice to spend 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.920 it as you see fit. You pay tax on that 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.440 consumption and that system. No one is complaining about that anymore, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.840 and nor should they, because this actually rewards effort. We 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.120 should be earning and keeping more of our money. If 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.800 we want to work harder, work longer, then we should 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.400 be able to keep more of that money. And that's 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.080 the sort of stuff that that that's talking about. And 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.560 I think a lot of people will say, how bloody 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:32.920 Loujah I reckon? 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.520 Really, well, well, we've needed a conversation like this. We 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.600 yet to have one. Basil, do you think that this 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.040 will resonate with voters? 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.119 I think it will. It's been a sort of a 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:47.280 cautious and measured approach, hasn't it. Peter Dutton's messaging around 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.360 this has been we've got a fixed labors mess First, 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.719 we've got to restore the budget. Once we've got the 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.359 budget restored, then we will certainly have a look at 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:59.119 bracket creep because it's holding back entrepreneur it's holding back productivity. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.679 So I think it's been smart baby steps, get the 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.200 basics fixed and then move to it, but still acknowledging 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.640 that there is some ambition in what they want to do. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.000 So smart. I think it will resonate. Will it resonate 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.959 with enough? That's going to be the question. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.679 Yeah, and especially as you said, with pre poll opening 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:19.320 on Tuesday. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.040 Now, look, let's talk about the Teals. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:25.639 Obviously, the Liberals are going back after those traditionally blue 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.919 ribbon seats that they lost to the Seals, back to 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.879 the Teals back in twenty twenty two. But nine newspapers 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.359 today revealed that voters are being targeted by so called 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.040 push pole calls being conducted by Climate two hundred. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.159 Imagine getting that one. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.359 Here's one spooking Zoey Daniels and Goldstein have a listen. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:50.320 Since being elected your independent member, Zoe Daniel has advocated. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.120 For long term economic reform. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:56.119 Protecting the environment, for teacher generations, and for me to 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:01.280