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Speaker 2: If you know how to fight in close, and you

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Speaker 2: If you're feeding in a good position, you can make

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Speaker 1: Pay my ty, as he said, Jeff Phoenix, one of

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Speaker 2: My job as a trainer is to get that guy

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Speaker 2: but that's that's boxing. I've been running every day doing

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put this on your podcast. It's the

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Speaker 1: Jeff Finnick. We was straight to it.

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Speaker 2: Make thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's ridiculous. I'm sitting here in front of

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Speaker 1: And never and I've had you on my show before,

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Speaker 2: Well that makes me happy because I'm you know what

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Speaker 2: Mark, I was the skinniest kid in the neighborhood. Like

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Speaker 2: Everything comes to me first from the head. Bryce Courtney

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Speaker 1: So do you feel because I've known you for a

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Speaker 2: I give a lot, go to Bangkok, I feed every

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Speaker 2: That's why Mark. I love it when I go out

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't.

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00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 2: Can you just.

434
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Speaker 1: Take me through as a why became a boxer? I mean,

435
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: like I've had Mark cohn't sit there and he told

436
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 1: me the reason he became a fighter was because a

437
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 1: trauma that he'd suffered as a result of watching his

438
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 1: sister but effectively raped by her their father, and she

439
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: got pregnant to the father, and he was much younger,

440
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: and he felt guilty his whole life about not for

441
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 1: not having protected his sister. He was only eight at

442
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: the time she was like fourteen or something and actually

443
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: reduced Mark to tears, to be honest, and just that

444
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: that rawness of that memory. But you don't have that,

445
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: you don't have that story. I mean, it was sort

446
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 1: of just a chance thing happening. So tell us how

447
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: you became started fighting.

448
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never watched I never watched a fight. Well,

449
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: i'd heard of my hum and I leave, of course,

450
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 2: but I never watched boxing in my life. It was

451
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: the furthest thing from my mind.

452
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 1: Foot he was more your favorite thing.

453
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 2: I played prug release since I was four years old,

454
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, And I was blessed to

455
00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: have reached the top level me playing from my from

456
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 2: I am for New down. But just one day we

457
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: met and a few of the boys went to the

458
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: youth club to try to find a few boys that

459
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: we wanted to beat up. And we searched the whole

460
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: youth club. Downstairs was the when they played basketball and

461
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: stuff and indoor tennis and stuff, and then there was

462
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: a weights room downstairs. There was another room downstairs, some

463
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: some other room, and then there was a couple of

464
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 2: rooms upstairs. We went to the first room, which was

465
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,239
Speaker 2: a restling room, there was nobody there, and then we

466
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 2: went to the next room, which was a judo room.

467
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: There was nobody in there. And then as we're walking

468
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: the back down the stairs, it said boxing and there

469
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: was just a little glass panel about the size of

470
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: the little iPad there and I looked through it because

471
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: you could see into the room and I seen a

472
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: friend of mine. I played football as well, but we

473
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: read about him. My school is from More Boys High School.

474
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: He was an Australian champion and he was pretty special.

475
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 2: So said he going home. I thought I'd sit down

476
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: and watch him. Sat down and watched him. I heard

477
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: the trainer so it would be great if you had

478
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: somebody in the box because you've got a big fight

479
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 2: coming up, and I volunteered. I regretted that day. I

480
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: regretted it. I got beat it up, maam. But Johnny

481
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: came up to me after that. I didn't even know

482
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: his name then, but Johnny Lewis came and said, are

483
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: you sure you've never boxed before? Said now, I've never boxed,

484
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: and yet would you come back tomorrow? And this guy

485
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: wants me to get bashed up again? So I didn't

486
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: say no. I said I'd come back but as soon

487
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: as I left the place, I thought I had a

488
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: chance in the world. I'm going back to get back

489
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: beat up. You know, I don't know Mark. The next

490
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: I went back and my world and my whole life

491
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: changed and I had people who was that I'll always

492
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: be friends with the thought that I'd be training because

493
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: I didn't go out with him anymore. I changed my

494
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: whole life around and was yeah, or for Johnny. Now

495
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't just for Johnny, was for the goals that

496
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: he had set me and I at the start, I

497
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: didn't really believe in any of those things. I thought,

498
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, if it happens, it happens. But he would

499
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: say something to me Mark, and three months down the train,

500
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 2: I was new South Wales champion.

501
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: For three months down the track, yeah yeah.

502
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he doesn't have people who can fight for that,

503
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: you know. Then you know, maybe six or seven months

504
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: later I was Australian champion and within a couple of

505
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: years I'm on the plane traveling all around the world.

506
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: I mean, when when somebody said the media want to

507
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: go overseas, I'd say, yeah, let's get on the boat

508
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: and going to Manly. You know, that was overseas on me.

509
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I'm flying to Northern Ireland, Indonesia, Bangkok,

510
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: Rome and bill fast and fighting, and it was like wow,

511
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: and not just that making And that's another reason why

512
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: we go back to you saying about sharing. I had

513
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: no money to get them my parents and had money,

514
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: so I'd run raffles and stuff in my neighborhood would

515
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: all make me the money. They would all help me.

516
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: So I can never forget that. I can never forget

517
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 2: how much people gave to me. So I went a

518
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: position to give back and help people. So I'll always

519
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: do that. But anyway, all of a sudden, in nineteen

520
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: eighty three, I had like thirteen or something fights, eight

521
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: fourteen fights and amateur fights. Yeah, I go to the

522
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: World Cup in Rome and I come third in the world.

523
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: Which is which way division we do me?

524
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: Now? I was in the flyweight division. Yeah, how much

525
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: that was fifty to fifty one killers back then there,

526
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: and it was amazing, And all of a sudden, had

527
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: a few more fights and few more fights. And it

528
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: was the year after it was Olympic selection and eighty four. Yeah,

529
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, wow, I would meet great but then

530
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking that they said they're really taking three

531
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: or four people to the Olympics, and I'm thinking, wow,

532
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: there's so many guys who have had so many more

533
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: fights than me that and they deserve to go. I

534
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: believe although I got picked and I've got on to

535
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: do amazing things in the sport, I reckon there were

536
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: a couple of boys that maybe should have been picked

537
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: in front of me, but I got chosen to select

538
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: Australia that to represent Australia the Olympic Games eighty four,

539
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: and in La it was it was crazy Mark. But

540
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: I think that games and put the stamp on me

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 2: of what I wanted to do. I mean, we hear

542
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan's stories and that my story is no

543
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: different Mark, at least not Testam. I went to the

544
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Olympig Games on eighty four. Everybody on the plane, we're

545
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: all talking about marching in front of the world and

546
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: everybody at home you're going to see you. Then you

547
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: talk about competing, and I was I was one of

548
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: the other guys. I was going to win gold after

549
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: twenty four amateur fights. I didn't. I didn't think nothing

550
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: else was just gold. I mean, with think of the

551
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: guys that I fought, and I'll tear you later with

552
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: all the experience that maybe I was thinking, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

553
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: a bit too cocky, But no, I thought I'm going

554
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: I want to win, to go middle for Australia. And

555
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: then everybody talked about, you know, after we fight, we're

556
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: gonna have this amazing after party. It's the biggest party

557
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: in the world where the whole world are together. We're party,

558
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: and I mean I was looking I was looking forward

559
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: to the whole three of them, but I was looking

560
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: forward to most important thing to me was twenty medal. Anyway,

561
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: So when we get there, we way in, we do

562
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: our first thing and stuff, and then I get drawn

563
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: to fight the first night there and that was the

564
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: the night after we marched. So no, no, it was

565
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: the night we were marching in the day and then

566
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: after fight that night, and I thought to myself, what

567
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: am I here form my head to march on my head?

568
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: Excuse me? Am I here toter with the middle? And

569
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: I thought, without dab, I'm here to try it with

570
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: the middle. So I didn't march. Everybody's bringing me from

571
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: why did you march? It's not gonna fight, I'm gonna

572
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: make weights. So I done that. I had my first fight,

573
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: I won against the guy who had like, you know,

574
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred fights, and then in my second fight,

575
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: I won for the guy from Tanzania who had maybe

576
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: three hundred fights. And then in my third fight, I

577
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: affought a guy from Yugoslavia from and he had like

578
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety one fights or something like that,

579
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: and he had knocked out a lot of people. And

580
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: I watched him on video there because my train at

581
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: the time, he had wishes a great man, was an

582
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: amazing trainer. We sat together, we went through all the videos,

583
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: and he said, if you can beat this kid, yeah, again,

584
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: of course I can't. You know, I'm not going to

585
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: say I can't. So I went into the ring against

586
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: this guy who was a huge favored against me because

587
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: he knocked everybody else out, and like I said, having

588
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: my twenty eight amateur fight, and I thought, all right,

589
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I thought that the first

590
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 2: round was a bit shaky, but then I got confident

591
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: in the second and third round and I thought that

592
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: I'd won the fight for sure. At the end of

593
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: the fight, the judges awarded me the fight.

594
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Beside judges, yeah, the ringside judges.

595
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: But the first time at the Olympic boxing history, there

596
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: was a jury as well, and the jury gave us, yeah,

597
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: reverse my.

598
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Decision, so you know why, Yeah, they judge the.

599
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: Fight and they said anyone but just politics without cheating

600
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: in politics, that's a much of boxing. That's you know,

601
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 2: maybe that's why I went to the Olympics, not these

602
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: other guys. I had more experienced me politics. But at

603
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: that time, like I said, I came third in the world,

604
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: and I came third in the comonwelth in eighty three

605
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: as well. So whether I deserve to be there before

606
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: those other guys, I'll never say I did, but I

607
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: was chosen, so I just have to go and do

608
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: the best I could. Anyway, So after that fight, what'd

609
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: you do, well apart from cry and speak to Johnny

610
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: and be pretty upset, And you know, Johnny said, I

611
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: thought you won the fight, and I thought to myself,

612
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: what's next. So obviously there's a couple of boys to fight,

613
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: and then I was the last guy in there, so

614
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: all the boxing was over, and I thought the Olympic

615
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: party everybody's talking about, we're all getting ready to just

616
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: as the Olympics were about to close, and I thought no.

617
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: That night I couldn't sleep. I did a couple of

618
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: press conferences, one with Graham McNeice and one with somebody

619
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: else from Channel ten, and I thought to myself, I

620
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: don't want to be here now. So I rang up

621
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: and I changed my flights and I'll never forget going

622
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: to the airport that day and then having a lot

623
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: of the Australian media there because I decided to go home.

624
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Like I said, I never went there for a party, mark.

625
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: I went in to win a medal, and when they

626
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: took it off me, you got to think of this,

627
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: Harry Garslod's one of the bronze medal. Now my bronze

628
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: medal was guaranteed, and I had to fight somebody else

629
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: who reads the Prince of Popski who I beat went

630
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 2: on to beat and fight in the finals. So who

631
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: knows what would have happen because stoles made fights. But

632
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: I am yeah. I went home, got a plane the

633
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: next day and obviously had a press conference in America.

634
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: I had a massive press conference when I got home,

635
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: with my family and all at the airport waiting for me,

636
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: and a lot of other Ozsie supporters were, which made

637
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: me feel great. And then I am said to Arthur Tunstall,

638
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: who was the guy who were in the sport of

639
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: boxing when I got home on this and I want

640
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: to stay. I want to be amateur for another four years.

641
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to win a gold medal. I thought, you know,

642
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: with twenty eight fights, imagine in four years when I've had,

643
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, a hundred fights, and what's going to happen?

644
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: And I said, in which one, I asked you one question.

645
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: You've got to guarantee me that my training Johnny Lewis

646
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: is going to be in my corner. Not that that

647
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: wishes wasn't great. He was great, but I still want

648
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: the Johnny there. And he said this and them, we

649
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: can't do that. So I went spoke to my sponsors

650
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: and I turned pro in October of eighty four, had

651
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: a couple of fights and then yeah, I just kept

652
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: knocking people out and winning. And I had an amazing

653
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: promot at the time by the name of Bill Mordy,

654
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: who was a massive gambler but a beautiful s guy.

655
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: You'll ever meeting them. He and his family invested in me,

656
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: and after my sixth fight. There was a new there

657
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: was a new world title I called the IBF, and

658
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: they thought that I was a chance. Well, there was

659
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: a world champion who was looking for somebody to fight.

660
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: Obviously he was looking for somebody easy. So he thought,

661
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 2: he's this guy who's had six fights and never you know,

662
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: gone over six or seven rounds at the time. And yeah,

663
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: they got they got some good money. Let's go to

664
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Australia and defend our title and we retained the championship.

665
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Well that's not how it went, but that wasn't the script.

666
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: But then the script for me was Johnny and I

667
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: jumped on a plane, went to Fiji, trained, trained and trained,

668
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: trained our backsides off, had our team with us sparring

669
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: there and then came home and in one hundred and

670
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: ninety six days from from the day I stopped boxing,

671
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: I became world champion. And like I said, and the

672
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: IBF back then wasn't like the biggest world title, but

673
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: it was a stepping stone for me to perhaps seven fights,

674
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: and to do that was crazy. Mark.

675
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: So you said something earlier before which is really important,

676
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you about this and

677
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: as often you know, you hear boxing commentators say it

678
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: all the time, but he says styles win fights. And

679
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I just want to talk to you about your style

680
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: and were you aware of your style at the time,

681
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: and did you work on your style as a style?

682
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, like me as a observer of many fighters,

683
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: particularly your your style was relentless, always be the fittest

684
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: in the ring. I would say you probably the fittest

685
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: boxer boxer of all time. I would say, if not,

686
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: that is definitely one of the fittest fighters that's ever

687
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: existed in boxing, and obsessed with the fight. And also

688
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: throw a lot of punches and extraordinarily busy and never

689
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: punch once, just jab you fight, you throw them in

690
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: bunches all the time. And that's another same people say

691
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: punches and bunches. I've heard you say it, actually, but

692
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: that's your style. Where do you think did you sort

693
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: of determine that style? Was that a thing you knew?

694
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Mark, I didn't know anything else. I mean, like I said, Johnny,

695
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: being this great man in my corner, that was that

696
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: was like I began doing and it got better and

697
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: better at it, better and better and better at.

698
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: It at that style.

699
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and there was no need to change like

700
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: I said, I stay back down in the corner in

701
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: a million, not in a million, but thousands of rounds.

702
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: And I never heard Johnny tell me to change any

703
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: because I didn't.

704
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Need to just let you do you think?

705
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, after four or five rounds

706
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: and the fire would change and I would progressively empty

707
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: their tank and my tank was still fulling down. Yeah,

708
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: And as you said, I didn't. Although I had a

709
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: lot of knockouts, the knockouts weren't from one punch without

710
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: from lots of punch, which is because, yeah, because I

711
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: was so fitting. Then the referee would either stop it

712
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: or my opponents would like to retire. They just couldn't

713
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: keep up with me.

714
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because in those days, we were doing fifteen rounds,

715
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: especially in the band andweight division, and you were doing

716
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of fifteen Yeah.

717
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, I fought Shinghaky fifteen rounds. I thought Jerome Coffee

718
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: fifteen rounds, and I went fifteen rounds. I thought Steve

719
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: McCrory fifteen rounds, and went fourteen rounds, and then I

720
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: thought Shinghaky in the rematch, you know, when only win

721
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: three rounds, so I thought for fifteen it was prepared

722
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: fifteen rounds four times.

723
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: No one really, there's no fifteen rounds anymore, is it?

724
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: No?

725
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: No, But I remember seeing you come out, and I

726
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: think the first one was them Nelson was how many

727
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: rounds are that twelve? That was twelve. I remember you

728
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: come out in that last round and you look like

729
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: to me that was your first round, Like you came

730
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: out with a level of energy that probably would have

731
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: shocked him too.

732
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think even the commentator said, what's this

733
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: guy doing when he's so far in front now and

734
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: he's still trying to That was just me, Mark. Yeah,

735
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: I was never going to stop, never gonna think that

736
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: I was winning and giving somebody an opportunity to beat me.

737
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to get into your head a

738
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: little bit here, mate, because like a few of our

739
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: mates think you're mad. Okay, so like the guy is crazy,

740
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and we're smart. We definitely say that too. Like,

741
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: and I've often said that any great athlete is smart,

742
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: anyone who's reached the levels you've reached in like rugby,

743
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: leagu or whatever it is, boxing, et cetera. Swimmers, you've

744
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: got to be smart. You've got to be intelligent, you know,

745
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: and I think and you've also got to be smart

746
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: relative to your craft, and you definitely are one of

747
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: those people. But we used to say to ourselves, you know,

748
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: you've trained a couple of other fighters, younger kids and

749
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: who are skilled kids and can and can get as

750
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: fit as you. But we used to say, one of

751
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: the reasons they won't become Jeff is because they don't

752
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: have Jeff's mentality. And basically we used to think, you're

753
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: mad like like in other words, we don't be mad

754
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: in a clinical sense, but we like relentless, like the

755
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: guy will never give up.

756
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: Here to realize this and this is what the world

757
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: don't know. Five percent of my fight. So I thought

758
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: we'd broken hands. Yeah, you know, unless you know early

759
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: on because I'd knocked some people out. When I first started,

760
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: it was easy. But you know, I had like six

761
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: operations on my hands, six or seven operations on my hands.

762
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: I've had pins put in both and every single fight

763
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: half I forward, my hands would be the size of

764
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: the gloves. And so when we had cut them off,

765
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: and many times straight off, I rush straight in the

766
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: hospital and within the week after that, when my hand

767
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: was swelling, had gone down and you don't have operations

768
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: and you know. So, I mean, this is the thing

769
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: that people didn't realized. These were my tools and they

770
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: were completely damaged both but I still used them. Maybe

771
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: I'm mad, but I don't mean mad, know what you're saying,

772
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: But I'm maybe, yeah, but there's something in there that

773
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: last question, have you ever heard of an Olympic runner

774
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: having a I don't know, bad league and winning a race?

775
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: You know, have you ever heard of it? You know,

776
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: anybody in the field a swim holy you know, not

777
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: being able to you know, swim properly win a swim race. No,

778
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know what it was. I was just

779
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: able to do it, Mark, and I was able to

780
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: do it time and time again. I got used to

781
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: it that where I would punch somebody a little bit

782
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: lighter than I'm supposed to punch, and maybe I'd finish

783
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: with an elbow or something just to you know. But no,

784
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: but it was just when I think of it, it's

785
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: a it's a crazy story. Like I said, for somebody

786
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: to win four wheel titles with two broken hands, and

787
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: like I said, for ninety percent of your career, I

788
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: don't say tamas it will never be done what I've

789
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: done in boxing, and if we go through stage by

790
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: stage and this will never be done in any sport.

791
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm not worried that I don't get that credit for it, because,

792
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not worried about crediting more or

793
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: worried about living life and stuff. But I know what

794
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: I've done in my head. I think I don't know

795
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: anybody in any sport. I mean, Michael Jordan, like I said,

796
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: was an amazing guy who traded his backs off Kobe Brant.

797
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: I love Kobe Bright. He'd wake up and do this

798
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: extra training and you know some of those guys are amazing.

799
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: But do you think Kobe could have done that with

800
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 2: a I don't know, not with a broken leg, because

801
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: you can't be I mean, i'd broken hands. I mean,

802
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: could you have done it with a torn hammy? Or no?

803
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Could Michael Jordan have done it?

804
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: No?

805
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: But why? Why? Why? What?

806
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: What would go through your head when you know your hands,

807
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: you're in the fight, you've clipped them with a ride whatever,

808
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: and then you feel something what I'd feel.

809
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: I would when I would hit them clean, my whole

810
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: hand would buzz and think ship I hurt them it

811
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: hurt me more than I hurt them.

812
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: So what were you thinking yourself?

813
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Then? What?

814
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: What what happens?

815
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah? Well, first of all, I don't want let

816
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: Johnny down. That was my most important ingredient. You know.

817
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: Johnny put me out here and told them I'm gonna win.

818
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to win. And then I don't know. I

819
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: just wanted to prove to myself mentally that I was

820
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: strong enough to go through any like to go through.

821
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I've gone through these two hard operations

822
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: I have as well.

823
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: But you can't kill him. You can't kill the blake.

824
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean, but you would go back to at the

825
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: end of the round sit down and what would happen?

826
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: You'd say, Well, you say my hand.

827
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would I would never tell him.

828
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you.

829
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: He knew. But Marke, isn't it a crazy thing that

830
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: you just said? And I'm going to put this on

831
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: your podcast. This is the first I've never told you.

832
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: A year and a half ago, I get a call

833
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: I won't say from where or anything like that, but

834
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: I get a call from a man saying made I

835
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: found God on this. I'm that and I look at

836
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: all the things you've done. I love you, You're the

837
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: most inspirational guy. And this and who is this guy?

838
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: He ranged me on Facebook? So I didn't I asked

839
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: much wanted to, and he said, why did you answer?

840
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: Listening on Facebook? And something I'm going to answer to everybody,

841
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: whether or know I'm not like again me being me

842
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: thinking I owe the world Yeah for what I what

843
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: I achieved, you know. And he said, well, I'm going

844
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: to tell you something the first time this is gonna

845
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: be heard, Mark that he was paid money to come

846
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: to Australia to kill me. Yeah, one million, one million,

847
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: and apparently he was here and he'd done something that

848
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: somebody else and time was something happened because with me

849
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: and he didn't he had to.

850
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: Go and he didn't complete his mission.

851
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: No, yeah, because I think maybe when he done something

852
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 2: to somebody else, he had to get out of there.

853
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: But he said to me, he said that the person

854
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: who sent him on the mission said exactly what you said.

855
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: He said, make sure if you shoot him.

856
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Shoot him, shoot him, shoot him shooting shot him.

857
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Make sure he's one hundred percent there. Else he is

858
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: going to come back and horn us, you know. So yeah,

859
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: for me, it was the craziest shock of I told

860
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: my wife and stuff.

861
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: But a little while ago, was it?

862
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was only maybe year and a half, two

863
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: years ago. This wow, just gentlemen, Raymond told me about

864
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: that somebody from Australia you know that wasn't happy with

865
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: with me, and you know.

866
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Certain what did you say to him? He was obvious

867
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: he's seeing some sort of redemption for what he might

868
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: have been thinking about because now he's a Christian.

869
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: It was Mark, he was like, and he was telling

870
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: me how much he loved me. It was, it was,

871
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: it was freaky. She was like, thinking, well, this guy, yeah,

872
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: come to austraight to him, I would just agree with

873
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: everything said this, and yeah, of course what I talked

874
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: because it was he's obviously seen me on Instagram and

875
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: Facebook and especially Facebook looks, but he will see how

876
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: much I help people and what I do and how

877
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: I how I treat people. And he thought, wow, I've

878
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: got to ring this guy and tell him. It was Mark.

879
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: He was crazy. He was crazy to hear him say

880
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: what he said. And like, I said, I know who

881
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: sent you here, but yeah, I leave it in the dark.

882
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: You know.

883
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's history though. Yeah, there's no point dredging

884
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: up those sorts of things. I want to talk to

885
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: you quickly, just quickly on this, and I think I

886
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: can't go past any further on the podcast without this conversation,

887
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: and because she never gets enough recognition. Susie, your wife,

888
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: you're beautiful. How many years have been married now?

889
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Twenty eight?

890
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: And kids? Your kids?

891
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got three children. But the thing is that

892
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: really quickly at my wedding, Ginge and Packer and all

893
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: had they're walking around with the board and said three

894
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: six or nine months.

895
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Then of course that was but that was gangs. Your

896
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: story said about everyone, it's pretty bad. And I've never

897
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: said about his marriage and beautiful Laila, but you know

898
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: that's what he's al thing. It won't last.

899
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, like I said, it's we've been

900
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: together over thirty years and wow, what.

901
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: Do you want to say about her?

902
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, without doubt, she's my bed. I used to think

903
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: that Mark, you're my best friend. How can anybody say

904
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: that the lady is their best friend. She's my best

905
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: friend by a million mile decent. And so I'm going

906
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: to give you a big scoop market one of this.

907
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: I watched John Farnum last night. Did you see the

908
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: Special God one of the greatest Australians ever And just

909
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: before my will title fight in Australia, they wanted John

910
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Fine on the scene and at that time my wife

911
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: was with somebody and he also sang. So I made

912
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: sure I wanted to Susie at the fight. So I

913
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 2: tell my management and I want her partner the scene.

914
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: So at the fight and they're all going mad at

915
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: me and you idiots John Farnham, So yeah, that's okay, Yeah, ye,

916
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to get too deep in it, but yeah,

917
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: everything happened for a reason, Mark. I think I made

918
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: a great decision that day and and I think the

919
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: greatest thing that's happened to me in the sport of

920
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: boxing was when I lost against Jim and Nelson because

921
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: it kept me in Australia, I met my wife and

922
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: all great things have happened to me. And like I said,

923
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: I think my greatest fight that I've ever had was

924
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: my first loss against the JOm and Nelson without any

925
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: ied out. It taught me who I am and what

926
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: I'm about, what the world's more about than I even

927
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: ever thought I knew, and what my real friends who

928
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: were supposed to my real friends, was supposed to do.

929
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: Did nothing, you know, And so yeah, I mean again,

930
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: I think everything happens for a reason. I believe in

931
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: Carmen Market.

932
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in Melbourne, Yes, and I was there

933
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and I remember Kerry Packer sitting in front of me

934
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: and I was in the second raw and can you

935
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: just take me through the fight?

936
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: What happened? And what market is not the funniest thing.

937
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: We just brought up. Carry on. I was blessed to

938
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: have trained him and stuff like that. But after that fight,

939
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: Kerry sent me to a neurologist. He thought somebody had

940
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: dragged me, because that's neff happened to death Fennige before.

941
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anybody drug me, but I'm going

942
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: to tell this that, you know again, it's never been

943
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: any of my books. It's never been anywhere. And he

944
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: almost really hear it, because he's still alive and ticking.

945
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: The morning of that fight, it was a lunchtime fight.

946
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: My doctor arrives to see me because I had my

947
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: own doctor there who injected me and looked after me

948
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: because I had really bad asthma down there at the time,

949
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: because it was that time when all these things are

950
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: flying off the trees and stuff.

951
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: And it was pissing out rain and two.

952
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well this this was that day. But what happened, Mark,

953
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: was when I spoke to him, excuse me now, I

954
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: haven't small one more, just say fuck, he stinks of alcohol.

955
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Where you being? We beat down in the strip clubs

956
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: Melbourne was right at that time, all the new strip

957
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: club Centa, fe Gold and so on. So anyway, I'm

958
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: taking ship now, he's not just getting home anyway. I

959
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: didn't care because again, Mark, I thought I'm gonna kill

960
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: as you and I thought I'm gonna get in the

961
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: ring round one, round two, round three, and it'll all

962
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: be over because he's not gonna be able to take.

963
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: And I thought I knew now exactly what to do

964
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: to him, because you know, although we never watched any

965
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: video or to get any better, but we I just

966
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: thought I knew what was going to happen. I just

967
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be that. Well, I get to

968
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: the dressing room, and let me tell you how unprofessional

969
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: we were. Mark. I mean, this is the biggest fight

970
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: of my life. And I'm gonna say this, I love

971
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Johnny to death. We had Virgil Hill fight. We had

972
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Costa Zoo fight. He had another person. So I'm at

973
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: the biggest fight of my life in the dress room

974
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: my own for the whole time, on my own. We

975
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: had Virgil Hill four ten rounds, cost of Forever the

976
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: other guy. I mean, I made support. I'm sitting there

977
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: before the biggest fart of life on my own. My

978
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: doctor comes in time to give me my injections. There

979
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 2: was nobody there to hold my hand like usually somebody

980
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: will hold my hand, and so I held my hand

981
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: on my own. My first injection, Mark went through that hand,

982
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: out of that hand and into that hand. Why I

983
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: think I just said it earlier. Yeah, and then I

984
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: forget about that now that I told you that. Kerry

985
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: told me to go and to the neurologist. So my sister,

986
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: who looked after my whole career, takes me to a

987
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: neurologist and I get all these checks and I still

988
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: had enough Mark Haney in my body that's supposed to

989
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: last three hours, have it to get my hair. My

990
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: finger chopped off the next.

991
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Day without anything with that feeling it.

992
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it's supposed to it was supposed to

993
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: be a three hour You know, and I said, that's

994
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: not an excuse assuming yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying

995
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: that's not an excuse why I last. I don't use that.

996
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: But and what happened to me that day before, I

997
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: thought was pretty surreal. I mean, just imagine your doctor

998
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: giving you your first needle, goes through your head into

999
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: the other hand.

1000
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: That's pretty fun.

1001
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that happened to me. That happened to me.

1002
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: And then, like I said, then twenty four hours later,

1003
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: I've still got enough marketing in my body to say,

1004
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: did that affect me? I can't tell him, although the

1005
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: neurologier said it definitely affected me.

1006
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: Must So that's that's a that's a massive here pain

1007
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: killer of course. And the reason you're getting your hands

1008
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: injectives because of the pains in your hands from all

1009
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: the injuries.

1010
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Because of the brakes. Yeah, you're not allowed to get induced,

1011
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: so I would do it in the sneakest way I could.

1012
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, like I'll never forget in America market.

1013
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: Just to tell you how much Johnny Elwis was when

1014
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: I thought it. Zim Wilson there and I had my

1015
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: injections and stuff after fight, these doctors and everyone of

1016
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: the security come in. They give you a thing you

1017
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: got to urinate in, and they want to they want

1018
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: to watch you, actually watch you. So I'm saying, listen,

1019
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: how am I going to do? Are we in this

1020
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: thing and you're watching me? I mean, you know whatever

1021
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: you know? And I said, you've got to do. Employees,

1022
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: Can you just let me give me thirty seconds and

1023
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: I'll get you know? You said no, So I pretend

1024
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm drinking this coke. What was in my the coke was?

1025
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: It was a screwtop with a hollow can of coke

1026
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: with my good Year one that I used. So I'll

1027
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: just dine to tip it in there so I can

1028
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: get out of there and just go and go with

1029
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: the boys. Anyway, Johnny Walks and Jeff, what's happening? I said, Johnny,

1030
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: these guys are watching me. I can't do anything through

1031
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: how we how we thought of it. But Johnny made

1032
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: the boys and the dressingmen get into it all in

1033
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: brawl and these two guys to secure that rush over

1034
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: the stop and I was able to.

1035
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: Just put my urine in there and you go through

1036
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: the test. Yeah, boxing is a and you know because

1037
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: you've been a coach a trainer and a coach. Boxing

1038
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: is a pretty weird game. I mean, it's not exactly

1039
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: what we see when we're watching watching the fights on television.

1040
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: When we go to the fights and a sort of

1041
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: do something scent. It's a tough environment to navigate if

1042
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: you're a fighter, and if you're a trainer for that matter,

1043
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: and I've seen you when you've been in the corner

1044
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: for blokes and you know how to play the game.

1045
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: How important is for a fighter? And we're going to

1046
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: talk about a couple of fights which have been more

1047
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: recent fights than other fighters have had, how important is

1048
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: it for the corner to be able to manage the

1049
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: ring for his fighter?

1050
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: So important? Mark, I mean you look what I've done

1051
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: for hast Ham. What do you want the Australian title?

1052
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: He had a cut over the doctors at stop the

1053
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: fight the referee, So I scream, of course, using my

1054
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: presence in my name, I screamed the doctor, let me

1055
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: give you one more round and let me try to

1056
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: stop the bleeding. That's my job. I don't stop the bleeding.

1057
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: I'll be you know the doctor. The referee said, Yet,

1058
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: we're right, sit down to the doctor. Let me have

1059
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: one more round. That was a third round. Mark. After

1060
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: the fourth round it goes to the school cards. Then

1061
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: after the fourth round, I told the doctor and the

1062
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: referee that look the cut is too bad. That stop

1063
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: the fight now. So we stopped.

1064
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Just explained the strategy behind that thought.

1065
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: Well, the strategy was that if if we stopped in

1066
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: the third round, it's a technical draw because there was

1067
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: an accidental cut. If it goes to the fourth round

1068
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: and we won the first three rounds and we and

1069
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: we win the fourth round or we get through to

1070
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: the round, it goes to the scorecards, and that means

1071
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: my boxer was going to be Australian champion.

1072
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: And you knew that he won the first three rounds.

1073
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we wrun it clearly. Yeah.

1074
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: So you know, so strategy is important, so important, and

1075
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: the corner can suck it up pretty bad.

1076
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: Especially if they've got no idea, if they don't know that,

1077
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: if they don't know the rules.

1078
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: So can we just reflect it on Tim? Tim Zoo,

1079
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm not getting hit a bag, he's corner.

1080
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Mark. I loved Tim. I just think of this if

1081
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: if those guys, because I'm not going to hide it,

1082
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: if those guys had the brain. Excuse me to stop

1083
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: that after the fourth round. Even Tim was a little

1084
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: close because he maybe lost that round. But if you

1085
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: told Tim, Tim, we've got one more round to go,

1086
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: and to go where there win this round. When you

1087
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to stop it.

1088
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: And he would have maintained.

1089
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: Even if it was a draw. Mark the champion retains

1090
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: the title. If he's in front, he's world champion. And

1091
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: made his next fight wasn't one million or I don't

1092
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: know what he got. I'm just saying it would be

1093
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: ten there would be ten millions. So he lost a

1094
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: fortune on the fight. And I ranked him and I

1095
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: told him about his bravery and what he showed us.

1096
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: But you know, Tim, we don't need to prove your brave.

1097
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: We all know your brave. We've seen him fight. We've

1098
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: seen him big guys that nobody thought he could be.

1099
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: We've seen him beat the likes of the Jeff Hawns

1100
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: and all these guys and the guys from America, So

1101
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: he didn't need to prove it. He Tim's trying to

1102
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: say that the well, look what I went through, this

1103
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: crazy cut of my head, and you know whatever, who

1104
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: gives a damn shit about you going. You didn't have to.

1105
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: That's my job. My job, Tim's are made sure you

1106
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: don't get cut, you don't have to go through another

1107
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: ten rounds of pain and stuff and you and you

1108
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: win the fight. Listen, Mark fire with Johnny Willson this statement.

1109
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: I fought Colors the day I'd won after four rounds

1110
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: or six points in front, but I had a car

1111
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: that was under the eye. Johnny used his influence until

1112
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: the doctor to stopped fight. I wanted to kill him

1113
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: because I want to. Fighters got on this go out,

1114
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: but Johnny looked after me. What can I say? Johnny

1115
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: looked after his fighter. That's my job. That was Tim's

1116
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: corner's job. And Tim that was terrible. They were terrible. Mark.

1117
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: You know they didn't even know. They couldn't. Mark there

1118
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: putting three cotton buds in it in his head on

1119
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: the cot instead of just using adrenaline and pulling it together.

1120
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: How can you pull a cut together when it's this

1121
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: wider partner, You've got stuff at the bottom of it.

1122
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: I've seen it on the camera and you Mark, if

1123
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: that was me, even in Tim's last fight that he

1124
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: got beaten in, If Tim that was me in Tim's corner.

1125
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: The first thing I do just before Tim goes to

1126
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: go out is I spilled the whole bucket of water

1127
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: in the ring.

1128
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, by time time.

1129
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: The second thing I do is I'll put that much

1130
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: vesseling on his face and the refreine's going to say,

1131
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: take some off. You know, if you've got to have

1132
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: been there and done this stuff before, you're gonna you're

1133
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do great things. Like I said,

1134
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: listen with those guys who are Costa. Costa is a freak.

1135
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: If your grandmother and my grandmom trained Costas who she's

1136
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: training the world champion, same as if they trained my tyson.

1137
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: They can be blind, you can train my tys and

1138
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: you're going to train the world champion. So don't worry.

1139
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: Than they were there with Costa, they were they were there,

1140
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: and you know they were just a part of a

1141
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: team that he had. But yeah, cost was a special,

1142
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: a special special tuman and a special special fighter.

1143
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: Also like Adelaide, hundreds and hundreds of amateur fights. I'm

1144
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: huge career relatively speaking to what Tim had, and and

1145
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any away from Tim, but like the

1146
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: corner piece or the strategy sitting in the corner is

1147
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: extraordinarily important. And I think, and you've often told him,

1148
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: but it's really about that the person's in the corners

1149
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: had the experience of what's what to do, which is

1150
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: what you're talking about.

1151
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: You know, look look at some of the fights with

1152
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: Brock Jervis, I mean some of the fights where he

1153
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 2: was hurt and stuff. He would come back. I'd do

1154
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: everything I could, and I would tell him what he

1155
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 2: needed to do. And I was blessed with Brock. Brock

1156
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: was a great listener. He would he would do what

1157
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: I told him. But I was saying, yeah, there was

1158
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: first they thought that he was going to be knocked down,

1159
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: and they said they should have stopped the fight. Thank

1160
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: god they didn't. Again hopefully, you know, they seen that

1161
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: I was in the corner and that the referee respected.

1162
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: Me, and you knew you were going to look after him.

1163
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent. Yeah, you know, if I you know,

1164
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: if I didn't think that Brock could turn that around,

1165
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: I would I would have thrown the towel in two

1166
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: rounds earlier. But I knew what Brock's capable of. I

1167
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: knew what his fitness levels was, and I knew that

1168
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: he he he got hit, but he would recover because

1169
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: of his fitness. But if you if he got out

1170
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: there in that next round Marcaul started hit early, I

1171
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: would have stop the fight straight away. But he went

1172
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: out and started the other guy early, and then the

1173
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: referee stopped the fight, which you know, again is something

1174
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: that only people who had been there had experienced it,

1175
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: know how to know how to handle.

1176
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: So Tim's last fight, do you think he was ready

1177
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: for the fight. One hundred million percent he was ready. Yeah,

1178
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: but I'll tell what happens to Mark.

1179
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: You got to realize this, and you would recognize this

1180
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: straight away. Me as a fighter. If my father was

1181
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: this great and my father turned up, I'm going to

1182
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: show him that I'm not better than him. But I

1183
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: want to show him you're not. Do want to show him.

1184
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: I want to show him I can do any down,

1185
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: I can do better. And people might say cost to

1186
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: put no pressure on. Of course, he put pressure on

1187
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: and blame a cost because he was pose now of

1188
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: course not it cost was at every fight. It would

1189
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: be different because you're used to it. You don't have

1190
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: to show you know you're used to it. You got that,

1191
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: you got that nick, you know that you know that

1192
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: damn connection. You know, just get the one fight. And

1193
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: I heard Costa say that he had said something to

1194
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: the opponent and he's got in his head, so then

1195
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: you know he's told Tim to do so Tim's right,

1196
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't talk like that in front of

1197
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: the Big five. If this is what I would have said,

1198
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: and the only I would have said is mate. Oh

1199
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: and the other thing that really I thought Tim why

1200
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: was when he was walking to the stadium in the fight,

1201
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 2: he's talking to Keith Thurman about fighting and stuff side

1202
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: in the contract. Listen, if that was my fighter, that

1203
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: was Brock got kick him up the ars and say

1204
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: we're not fighting. You're talking about You're gonna be constrained

1205
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: on one thing. And that's the Russian guy that was

1206
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 2: talking to Keith Thurman and talking bullshit to people. Listen,

1207
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: we're here to fight. This is fight day. You don't

1208
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: talk and let anybody else challenge you. And again I

1209
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: blame that. I blame I half blamed the corner as well.

1210
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: They should have been around him, just taking straight in there,

1211
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: not to talking over, not to signarotographs, will do the

1212
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: one after we win the fight. And I've hope Tim's listening,

1213
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: because he needs somebody who's going to do that. He

1214
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: needs somebody who's the boss, Tims. Tim's the boss when

1215
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: he steps in the ring, but pride to stepping in

1216
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: the ring. If I'm a trainer, I'm the boss. I'll

1217
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: tell him what to do. I'll tell how to do it,

1218
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: and and that's it. And said, I've made some mistakes

1219
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: too much because you know, as everybody says about Brock,

1220
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: But like I said, Brock was one of the most

1221
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: ferocious fitness fighters ever and then I had has him

1222
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: and he's exactly the same, has trained his backside off,

1223
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: and they work so hard to lose weight that Yeah,

1224
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 2: everything they get they deserve. You know, they've they've gone,

1225
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: They put themselves through hell.

1226
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that the corner for Tim didn't prepare

1227
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: him properly for there's in other words, was he too confident?

1228
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean it looked to me that he just saw

1229
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: he's going to walk through him all the time, like

1230
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: he's done on a lot of fights.

1231
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: Mark walking down to one of the biggest fights, he's

1232
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: laws wanting to be two to world champion and talking

1233
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: to other other fighters and talking to people laughing of

1234
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: course that's too cocky. That's their job doing. That's my

1235
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: job as a trainer is to get that guy in

1236
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: the ring ready to kill somebody. I mean, kills them,

1237
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: but that's that's boxing. And he's walking like like I said,

1238
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: the arrival was all smiles, laughs, talking to other fighters,

1239
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: meeting other fight forget that, Like I said, Mike, I

1240
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: went to ompics. I didn't give a damn about the march.

1241
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: Of course I didn't, but I didn't march. I didn't

1242
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: go to the party. I jumped on a plane and

1243
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: went home because because I was lost. I lost. And

1244
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: that's that's the only mentality. And that's the Michael Jordan mentality,

1245
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: that's the Kobe Bryant mentally. If you don't know that

1246
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: in my sport and boxing, you yeah, you're there for

1247
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: a little while. You know this marks when let me

1248
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: get this white say, all these people who are going

1249
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: to have a garmy undefeated Ben Away World Chamber. I

1250
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: defended three times undefeated super Ben Away chairper and defended

1251
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: three times undefeated Featherway chap and defended three times, won

1252
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 2: the Junior Lightway two title. But they gave me a drawer.

1253
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: So that's when you know you're a champion, longevity. Anybody

1254
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: can win the world title one year if they lose

1255
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: the next year. Because in this day and age, yeah,

1256
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: we've got all these guys that just jumped on the bandwagon,

1257
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: love the social media shit like that. I only want

1258
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: social media. I never stared at anybody in the fight.

1259
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 2: No disrespect to George Moost because I think that he's

1260
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: done a mazing job. But they're talking about how long

1261
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: he's stared at Lomonchenko for the Lomnchenko said the greatest

1262
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: thing ever. You know, win fight with You're winning with this,

1263
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: you know. So I mean these guys today, I don't know.

1264
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: They're trying to impress their fans and their TV know,

1265
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: you know the way I listen, there was no social

1266
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: media for me. I had fifteen tho forty years that

1267
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: my far. I guess why because a lease do the talking.

1268
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: This is what does the talk. And if you can

1269
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: do that, then you're fine.

1270
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: And I think what a lot of people don't know is,

1271
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: by the way, is that the u Zum and Nelson

1272
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: first fight, the decision that was reversed by the WBC

1273
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: and two years ago.

1274
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mark, but the other thing I don't know,

1275
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: and that's what people have got to realize. Had back then,

1276
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: I've been given a decision. I'm not fighting as there's

1277
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: no rematch. I'd beat him. I'd beat him runs out

1278
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 2: of twelve. I was ganted. Well except but I'm happy

1279
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: that happened because my life's the way it is because

1280
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: of that, all right, But yeah, I'm not given as

1281
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: a rematch. I had plans to find Pernal Whittiker and

1282
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: so on and so on. You know. But again, like

1283
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: I said, I think after that fight, it took something

1284
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: away from me. Marcus. It was never the same after it. Yeah,

1285
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: I don't know why. That's not an excuse. Yeah I

1286
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: lost some fights, but I said I always gave my best.

1287
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: I prepared the best I could, and yeah, I just

1288
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: wasn't the same person anymore.

1289
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: So you yeah, you're talking about training brock Javis. You're

1290
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: talking about training has Hampden, but you also trained Tyson

1291
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: for a while, Daddy Green Beaker of course, Danny Green,

1292
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: Victor Brothers, Nada Hamden, garth Wood for a while. The yeah, yeah, yeah,

1293
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: So you.

1294
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: Know, one thing I learned Mark about training, I think

1295
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: that Johnny and I both were there's only one Jeffini.

1296
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: You've got to train these guys individuals. Yeah, some people

1297
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: can't do what other people can do well.

1298
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: And that's what I've often said about some of the

1299
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: fighters you've had. No one should expect them to be

1300
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: jeff Innic because there's only one jeffnic because only one

1301
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: Jeffnics style. I was watching some videos of you, and

1302
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: I was watching your body work, and and I remember

1303
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Brock Jarvis was renowned for his body punches. Great body punch, unbelievable.

1304
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: And but a lot of blakes are a lot of

1305
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: fighters are headhunters. There's not a lot of bodywork. Just

1306
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: explain the importance of going for the body, which I

1307
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: saw you do with a lot of a lot of

1308
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: your fights. I mean the bloke who won the Lemmon

1309
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: Gold Medal that you know, Cory McCrory. You worked on

1310
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: his body like it was crazy. And I remember like

1311
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: early rounds McCrory was actually you could see us in pain.

1312
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: It was standing up all right, but I could see

1313
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: us in pain. Just explain the importance of bodywork.

1314
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: You know, Mark, I do all my fighters to learn

1315
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: to get in close and fight, because I want to

1316
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: show you this. If I'm here and here with you,

1317
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: we're close together, it's very hard for you to lead

1318
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: a punch, especially if I know where to put my

1319
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: head and I know where to put my other hand.

1320
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 2: It's yeah. So if you learn to do that, you're

1321
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: much safer than being at a distance. We're fifty to

1322
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: fifty at a distance you live. But if you know

1323
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: how to fight in close, you get in there and

1324
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: you know how to use your shoulders, and you know

1325
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: how to use your head and use your head to

1326
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: turn them around and have your freedom, the right position

1327
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: and foundations everything. If you're freedom a good position, you

1328
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: can make somebody miss, you can make them pay, you can.

1329
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: So I try to explain to people how important it

1330
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: is for you to be able to get hi close

1331
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: on fighting. I was. I was blessed. That's that's what

1332
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: I was great. And I'll never forget that. There was

1333
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: a big story in one of the American magazines and

1334
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: said Julio Suji chev is the best in fighter until

1335
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: Jeff Frenny came, you know, so.

1336
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: I heard my excite to say the same thing. He said,

1337
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Phoenix one of the best in close fighters of

1338
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: all time. And I but I also remember something else

1339
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: about you. And by the way, we have the USC today,

1340
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: but and not many people do it today. Lemon Chenko

1341
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: sort of does it a little bit, but you are

1342
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: very good at using your shoulders and you know, sort

1343
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: of sort of wrestling a little bit like a little

1344
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: bit of grappling, not not quite grappling, but you were

1345
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: good at grabbing people by the arm round you know,

1346
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: you're pulling by the neck. Tysive Fury does it a

1347
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: lot to as a big heavyweight.

1348
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He doesn't because you think he's going to

1349
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: put his weight on him.

1350
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you very good at I've done tactically marked

1351
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: and well who taught you that? Because it's like it's

1352
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: like modern form of fighting. It's not actually just standing

1353
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: back and rod boxing. It's brawling.

1354
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it was just mine was brawling is

1355
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: when you get bashed as well. Why I didn't get

1356
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: hit a lot of mark And the thing if you

1357
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: look at fights today, they throw one hundred punching around

1358
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: lean ten. I used to throw a hundred punches and

1359
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: ninety yeah, because I was in that position to punch

1360
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: and my feet in position to land punches. But who

1361
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: taught me? I was just me sparring, you know, but it.

1362
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: Looked like street fight attle, bit of street fighting, Yeah,

1363
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: because I.

1364
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: Would should room, push off room, and I would use

1365
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: my head to turn them around, you know. Yeah.

1366
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: And but that's that's sort of a former grappling like one. Yeah,

1367
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's a form of grappling. And uh and

1368
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: and I remember watching his zoom and Nelson in the

1369
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: l A fight anyway, and Nelson it looked like you

1370
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: throw him off because when you push him into a

1371
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: corner and you're relentlessly adam adam, adam adam.

1372
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: I didn't give him room.

1373
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: And if you give these guys room, you're in trouble. Yeah, yeah,

1374
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: especially someone like him. Yeah yeah, punch like hell, and

1375
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: then you put him in the corner because I remember

1376
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: when I remember when Jeff Horn fought Crawford, I think

1377
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: it was, and the referee would not let him brawl

1378
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: with him. He sort of kept him off Crawford and

1379
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: then gave Crawford distance. And Crawford, being the fighter is

1380
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: who was always going to tell him up and just

1381
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: did it terrible. But when when Jeff Hoorn fought Manipacia

1382
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: is a different style of fight. He was sort of

1383
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: sitting all over the top of him and looked like

1384
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: your style of fighting didn't give him any room, gave

1385
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: no room, and that was that kind of thing.

1386
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's certainly not my style because you didn't.

1387
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: He didn invite your stuf, but he gave him no

1388
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: room and it was all over him and he was bullying.

1389
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: The craziest thing, Michael. I was in here with Justin

1390
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: Fortune and for all the guys Tray and they were

1391
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: again they were so confident, He's not going to do

1392
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: a couple of rounds again the Jeoff Worn's credit. What

1393
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: a great performance that was Geoff Howard in that fight

1394
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: George kem Boses against the female that maybe two of

1395
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: the greatest up upsets in boxing history.

1396
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and it was it was just pure

1397
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: Ossie aggression the way I saw it, they won out aggression,

1398
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: George w one aggression. They just be more aggressive than

1399
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: the other Blake and and I think, you know, I

1400
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: think Jeff did too. But I felt as though when

1401
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: I was watching the Jeff One fight, I foot himself.

1402
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Has Finnik been involved? And they said, did you did

1403
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: you speak to Jeff One about No? No, But it

1404
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: looked like your your your style of training.

1405
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know, like I said, I'll always support Ozzie Boys.

1406
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I didn't do anything with him in

1407
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: training Jeff.

1408
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: Why hasn't someone done a series or a movie series

1409
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: or a TV series on you?

1410
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: Well, and when I asked you to do it, Mark, No,

1411
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: but I am Mark. I Look, I've been waiting. I've

1412
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: been doing some stuff with Mark Freeness and some other guys.

1413
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: And I'm waiting Mark, because I've got an amazing story

1414
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: that I'd like to tell the most. The one thing

1415
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: I want to tell is to mums and fathers that

1416
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: they have children. Listen, then, when you're son says she's

1417
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: going to Jeff's house, go down to the Jeff's house

1418
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: and meet Jeff and meet his parents and see what

1419
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: kind of people they are. When you when your son

1420
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: tells you he's going to to wherever, just one day,

1421
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: walk down and see if he's there. And like I said,

1422
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: it's so important that you know parenting, and it's so important,

1423
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: like you know, to make sure your your your son

1424
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 2: or daughters around good people, being being around good people.

1425
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: It's good people, and that's what you want to do.

1426
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: Like you look like to me, You're give them back

1427
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot.

1428
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: I want to. I want, I want these parents to

1429
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: know that he was me. This the skinniest little kid.

1430
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: I'll give you a phone that you've ever seen that

1431
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: was able to three hundred and sixty five days of

1432
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: the year. My friend smoked dope. I was with him

1433
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: every day that would steal. We'd go and they'd buy

1434
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: dope with theirs. I'd keep my money and then they

1435
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: would put a bong in their mouth. They passed around,

1436
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: they passed me every I didn't need it, not once, Mark,

1437
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: If I put that in my mouth, not once. If

1438
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: I had a drug, not once. If I had haven't

1439
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: had a cigarette, not once. If I had a couple

1440
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 2: of coffee. I want, I want. I want my store

1441
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: way to come out so people can say oh, instead

1442
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: of saying oh whoever. I mentioned the names. But look

1443
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: at these these troops. Starts are out there doing cocaine.

1444
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that to have success. You know,

1445
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: you don't have to do any of that's shit to

1446
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: have success. You know, you've got to be able to

1447
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: say no, to be a leader and not a sheep

1448
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: and follow everybody else. You're got to be able to

1449
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 2: say no, I'm not doing that. And once we teach

1450
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: our kids that the world will be a better place,

1451
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: you know. And the other thing is make What I

1452
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: love to try to get across is these bullies at school.

1453
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: If somebody bullies and my children, I'm going to tell

1454
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: my children to go and beat the shit out of them.

1455
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: And then you're going to have you have to have

1456
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: a meeting with the school and stuff like that. And

1457
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: then these parents come in, I said, well, listen, you

1458
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: tell your kids not to be bullies, and then I'll

1459
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: tell my kids that a punch keep back in the face. Yeah,

1460
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: forget these stupid rules and schools we have, and that's

1461
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: why we have that's why we have suicides. That young

1462
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: girl who died recently twelve years old, that she was

1463
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 2: a friend of a friend of ours, and I mean, wow,

1464
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, I wish I could have spoken to me

1465
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: and I wish I could have, you know, took her

1466
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: to school and walked to the school and told these

1467
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: people that you know, yeah, to shut their mouths. It's

1468
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, we live in a yeah, I mean everybody

1469
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: wants to say it's it's a great. We live in

1470
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: a world where there are too many people getting away

1471
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: with things. Like I said today, these people go and

1472
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: they break in the house, they rob your cars and stuff.

1473
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: They go caught the back door of the next week,

1474
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: you know, these bullies are the same. They go there,

1475
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: they pick on somebody's children, these pulling them, they're doing

1476
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: somebody else is the next week, you know.

1477
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 1: And because on one hand we've got all these people

1478
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: have been very woke, like you know, you can't do this,

1479
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: can't do you, can't say this, can't say that. But

1480
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: on the other hand we've got on the flip side,

1481
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: we got people bullying other people through social media and

1482
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: and sort of contributing to people young kids committing so.

1483
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: But you need real people to go and talk. Josh

1484
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: oodakat God, there he's gone. But I would have loved

1485
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: to be the guy represent him. I would have walked

1486
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: in and said, first thing, let's do the drug, this

1487
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: to the whole club, forget the footy players, let's go

1488
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: and see you see you know, let's go and see

1489
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: these and well that's that's the first thing would I

1490
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: would have used in his defense. And then the second

1491
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: thing would have used in this fence, I say, do

1492
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: you have a child? Had you told every done thing wrong.

1493
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: Give this guy a chance, Give this kid a second chance.

1494
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: What God in trouble, you're going to ruin his life.

1495
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: And what happens when they ruin their lives Mark, they

1496
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: become worse, They become worse.

1497
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the person a.

1498
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they become worse. Yeah, because they're just they're taken,

1499
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: They've taken away their love. Listen, I understand it's it's

1500
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: not good for the sport, it's not good for the kids. Listen.

1501
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: If that's the case, go to all those rich schools

1502
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: and you have to every kid that's at school. You

1503
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 2: have to expel them because that's what they do. You know,

1504
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: we've got a football player. Let's be honest. That's we

1505
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: need somebody that's honest and go and talk to these

1506
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 2: people and be blankly honest and tell them the truth,

1507
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: and tell their parents the truth. You know, make grew

1508
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: up and I said love and blessed they didn't have

1509
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: a drug. But I know some of the richest people,

1510
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: all the kids are doing drugs. I mean, come on, parents,

1511
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: parents and kids, you know, wake up as if that's

1512
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: why they don't care where they going now you know,

1513
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: and now today we take our kids to a restaurant,

1514
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: and instead of letting them interact and try to learn

1515
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: what's happening in the world, we're getting the freaking dumb

1516
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: I peddle at them, ship there and do shit all night,

1517
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: look at stupid things all night. You know, Listen. That's

1518
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: why if I was voting, i'd vote for Donald Trump

1519
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: for one reason. I don't care what anybody says about him,

1520
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: if anybody loves me or hates me. Donald Trump's been

1521
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: out there, He's paid those that mob for his lead.

1522
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: He knows how the world operates. He's been a mug

1523
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: and being a thug and whatever else you want to

1524
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,919
Speaker 2: call him. He's been there. He's done all these things

1525
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 2: with whatever he's being accused of. But I guess what,

1526
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: he stopped it. Now he's got a second chance and

1527
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: he's trying to make them world better. That's that's my opinion.

1528
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: And you know there's something else that you mean that

1529
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: was help put There's something else that I want to

1530
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: just quickly touch on before we close that you're pretty

1531
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: passionate about. Too many fights go for too long, corner's

1532
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: not prepared for aalion or refere's don't stop the fight.

1533
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: Can you just share with me. I mean, I know

1534
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: when you're training your fighters, you're very concerned about when

1535
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: they're sparring, etcetera, that they don't get it too hard

1536
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: and there's not too much brainw Mitge, just explain the

1537
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: importance to this now.

1538
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so so important, especially seeing what's happened to

1539
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: certain people over the years. My great beautiful friend Murray

1540
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 2: Fennikam who has to mention whether it's from rugby league

1541
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: or not, and nobody can really determine. But when you

1542
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: see how these guys are, Tay Mark, it's really really important.

1543
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's important for the corner, but it's more

1544
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 2: important for the referee. And like I said, these guys,

1545
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: these referees that they are incompetent. I mean, I would

1546
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 2: like just to tell the referee listen, put your son

1547
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: in tim zus shoes and let him be bleeding where

1548
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: he can't see you. And yet would you like your

1549
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: son to be there? Of course they're going to say no, Well,

1550
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: then look after somebody else. So if you want somebody

1551
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: to look after yours and look after theirs as well.

1552
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: But Mark, like I said, Am, the sport of boxing,

1553
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: you got to realize. This is what I want to

1554
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: just say really quick. It's you scratch my back, guy

1555
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: scraatch yours. I'm the promoter, Mark, I'll flow you to

1556
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 2: tile in you get off the plane. I'll give you food,

1557
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: I give you a room. I send you a couple

1558
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: of girls up. Now you've got to judge a fight.

1559
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: Who are you gonna? Who you're gonna?

1560
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: You're man, I'm the promoter and you're the judge. I'm

1561
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: the promoter and the judge.

1562
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: The judge, and you're gonna. Yeah. I've just brought you over,

1563
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 2: flowing you over you in business class. You're getting all

1564
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: your food for free. You've got some girls sent your room, which,

1565
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: let me tell you what happens, don't worry. And who

1566
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: are you going to favor if it's a close fight.

1567
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who sends you over there, in my instinct.

1568
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. Mark. I'm not saying you're

1569
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: a treat. Yeah, I won't say they're treats. It's their instinct.

1570
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, yeah, look, you're my brother. Sometimes

1571
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: you it's gonna happen to me.

1572
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that's funny, she say. Because the allegations were

1573
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: the Don King and the first Zoomer fight did that

1574
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: with with the judges?

1575
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: Well no, no, yeah, yeah, Like I said, I don't

1576
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: I don't say those judges treated I just say that

1577
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: they're incompetent. I want to ask a question, Mark, if

1578
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: you can't, if somebody that works for you can't do

1579
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: the job, you say, look Champ here in the fights,

1580
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: especially in Australia, these guys somebody wins by six rounds,

1581
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: they give it to the other guy six rounds. I thing,

1582
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: it's impossible, Mark, these guys are incompetent or I'm not

1583
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: gonna say because they don't cheat. I don't believe that

1584
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: they're just incompetent and they're obviously thinking about that instinct

1585
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: that we told you about helping somebody that they know.

1586
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: You forget that when all the judges and I should

1587
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 2: arrive the day before the fight, have dinner together, not

1588
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: with anybody else, and just say, forget the name. There's

1589
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: no Jeffennichod, there's no my Tyson, because you're going to

1590
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: favor them if you're Australian, and favor if you're in America.

1591
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: Because the Donking, there's just a red and a blue corner.

1592
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: Let them fight. Don't You don't go to dinner with

1593
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: the promoter, you don't, you know, you just you get

1594
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: flown there through an organization. They fly there, they do

1595
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: it in properly and then the fight's proper which will

1596
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: never be.

1597
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: And what's the future boxing, late mate? Do you think

1598
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: it's a god to the future?

1599
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: Listen. I think we've got great fighters today, but I

1600
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: don't know. I'd like to see the lights of the

1601
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: Dana Whites and some of the others come into the

1602
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: sport of boxing.

1603
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that turn around.

1604
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is the ultimate professional and everything

1605
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I am, like i'd say, would sleep. You know,

1606
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: maybe six hours a day is always working. So we

1607
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: need those people. We need those people. And like I said,

1608
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 2: people talk about money and there and how much are

1609
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: they paid? How much they paid? Listen, if everybody gets

1610
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: together and and work together, then we'll have it. We'll

1611
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: have a great sport. But until that, it's always going

1612
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: to be you're there, I there and you're there, or

1613
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: he's good and he's no good. Everybody talks. People talk

1614
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 2: about me every day. But guess what I say to him, No,

1615
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: if you've done what I do, so I don't care

1616
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 2: what you say with me. People don't like Michaels. I

1617
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: tell the truth. For instance, once Michael's arata for and

1618
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: I love Michael's rafforte too, and I did the commentary

1619
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: in them at the end of the other person once

1620
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 2: I said I thought he won. Then Michael wasn't happy.

1621
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 2: But like I said, I think we've both grown today.

1622
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: And like I said, I ad my everything he does.

1623
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: But like I said, I'm just going to tell the truth.

1624
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: It's my job and I'm an on the TV show

1625
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: to call it. I mean, look, I just got the

1626
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: sack from Fox for why. I don't know, but they said, well,

1627
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: Steve Crawley said there was going to be some changes.

1628
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: And I go back to the next fight night, every

1629
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: single person was was the same, except we had Alex Volkanowski,

1630
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: who's an MMA fighter. We had Jonathan Brown's who who's

1631
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: an AFL player. What do they what do they know

1632
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: about boxing? Vault? Yeah? Yeah, but still how do they

1633
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 2: know what's going on in the boxing fight? You know?

1634
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's crazy, but that's the world we

1635
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 2: live in. Mark, you know, that's the world we live in.

1636
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm not in one of those

1637
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: boys club like I'm happy to say it. Steve Crawley

1638
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: and all all those guys who do that, they're all

1639
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: out on the drink together. I don't do that. I

1640
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: got a job to do. I go and do the

1641
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: job the best I can, and then I go home.

1642
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: I don't need to go out and drink with everybody

1643
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: or to leak backsides to keep my job when I go. Yeah.

1644
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: And I told Steve Crawley when he first sai him

1645
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: he's going to make changes. I said, that's your opinion,

1646
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 2: and you're going to make changes, and it's benefit the sport.

1647
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 2: I take everything you're saying on board, and I'm happy

1648
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: to step aside it. The next week I went in,

1649
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 2: I seen it wasn't it wasn't it was. It was worse.

1650
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: And now there they've got people doing the commentary who've

1651
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: had three professional fights and stuff. It's a joke, and

1652
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: instead calling to joke Fox is a joke. And yeah,

1653
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: it's a joke, sir.

1654
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: And have you always, Jeff, You've always been stand out

1655
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: on your own. You're not anybody's Patsy.

1656
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: Ever, Mark said, my dad did teach me one thing.

1657
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: If I go out with you, Mark, I'm going home

1658
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: with you. If something happens to you. Mark, I didn't

1659
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: care if I was twenty five times wheelchair, but I don't

1660
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 2: careful it's gonna cost me two hundred million dollars. Nobody's

1661
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: touching your alarm beside you. Brother, They're going to touch

1662
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 2: me before they touch you. And I'll never change it.

1663
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: And I'll tell something else because people know on Instagram

1664
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: and on Facebook, when these dumb tough guys on the

1665
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: computers say things, I give them back more than they

1666
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: can ever give anybody. You know. Oh you said, yeah,

1667
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to say, well, then you should

1668
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: have said that the first ship in the first place.

1669
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: I would have wouldn't have had the reply here. Yeah,

1670
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: just yeah, you have to ba if they're going to

1671
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: bag me Mark, anytime can util the day I die.

1672
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: If I'm walking down the street I'm one hundred years old,

1673
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: somebody says something, I'm going to punch me in the face.

1674
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm capable of it. Good on you.

1675
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: I love it, Jeffanic mate. I love seeing you, I

1676
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: love actually having this conversation with you me And but

1677
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: it's more important is that Australians get to hear your mate,

1678
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: because you are one of our greatest sportsmen ever and

1679
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: actually on the world stage already been recognized as the

1680
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: greatest featherweight ever. Good on, thank you,