WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 10 October 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:00.480 Lately. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:08.720 Welcome the late Babe, Well, thanks for joining us. I'm 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.360 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling in for Caleb 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.240 bond Sky, News contributor and host of The Real Story 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.119 podcast Joe Hildebrand. Coming up tonight, German police get the 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.439 surprise when police radar catches the Cookie Monster hurtling down 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.920 the highway. We'll show you the police images a little later. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.720 Plus when we look at the papers, Peter Beatty, the 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.560 Labor Stalwart, criticizes the Albanese government's Middle East policy as 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.599 quote a daydream. And in Victoria, the Labor premier there 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.680 issues an apology to indigenous people, but it's all kept 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.920 very secret. We'll talk about that when we get to 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.199 the papers. But first, Senator Fatima Payman, who defected from 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.640 the Labor Party in July, has started her own outfit. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.320 But what to call her brand new political party? Could 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.800 you believe this Afghan born Muslim who's see angular purpose 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:08.000 is peace in Palestine has decided to call herself Australia's Voice. Honestly, 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.000 you couldn't make this stuff up. Is she a federal 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.080 senator or a professional troll? Sadly she's serious. Have listened 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.000 to her on the ABC seven point thirty last night, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.200 where she couldn't agree that the October seven attack on 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.720 Israel was terrorism yesterday. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.480 In your view, were the actions of Humas on that 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.160 day an act of terrorism or an act of resistance? 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.600 I think that that question really. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.400 Not only ignores. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:43.560 The seventy five seventy six years, but also reduces the 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.880 Palestinian plight. And we need to acknowledge that Palestinians and 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.600 now the Lebanese community are hurting, but so are the 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:53.680 Israeli communities. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.840 Seriously, if she is Australia's voice, then her mass is 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.080 a peace loving organization spreading the equity and inclusion through 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.920 the Middle East. Australians gave her a voice, I might 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.920 point out, a voice she would never have had in Afghanistan, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.400 where she was born, or in Gaza, which seems to 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.160 occupy most of her thinking. But for her to call 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.880 herself Australia's voice, that takes some front. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.480 Liz, It really does, I mean, and it has been 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.840 rightly made a lot of mockery. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:23.680 There's a lot of. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.880 Mirth happening on the X and other platforms about this, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.000 but it does bemuse me that we seem to be 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.840 incapable of understanding that quite simply, one man's terrorist is 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:40.280 another man's freedom fighter, like these guys are looked up. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.120 To in the Middle East by millions. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:48.760 Of people as liberators, as their fighters, as members of 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.919 their parliaments, like Hesbela has fifteen seats in the Lebanese parliament. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.040 We call them terrorists. We seem to have no understanding 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.320 of the fact that in that part of the world, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.799 it's the West that are seen as terrorists. And when 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.600 we import people from that part of the world, with 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.320 their cultural background, with their narrative of the world, they're 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:16.160 thinking of what America did in Syria, in Libya, in Iraq, 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.639 in Afghanistan, and this is their narrative. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.959 It's more than the narrative though, it's values. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.519 So we import their values, their religion, their blood memories, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:29.760 it's all there. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:30.359 And then we. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:36.160 Wonder why Arabs are supporting Arabs, Muslims are siding with Muslims. Well, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.880 Beryl hit me with another hot take. I mean, of 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.640 course they are. But notice it's only in Western countries 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.640 that we allow people with values so opposed to our 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.440 own to sit in our federal parliaments. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.040 I mean it's it's it's quite mind blowing. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.960 And I'm sure countries look like the ones that we 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.120 pick on in China, in Russia, these people that we 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.320 call dictatorships, at least they're not standing for any of this. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.119 Wow, so much to run pack. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.680 Yeah, look, I think look, I've been saying for some time, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.800 and I think other people are smart enough to realize 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.320 it too, that we do have to understand that exactly 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.400 what you said, that you know that these people do 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.599 not understand. And it's not just it's not just people 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.720 from Afghanistan or for the Middle East or Arabs, it's 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.200 people in Australia as well who have used to call 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.160 Hamasa terrorist organization. For example, there are different over privileged 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.200 and it's not as unique. Kids and student socialists have 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.800 been very prepared to do that as well, and I 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.840 think that is where But I do think there is 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.719 a case where if you have been completely and utterly 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:50.160 indoctrinated with, for example, Hamas propaganda in Gaza, you are 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.760 not going to know that the rest of the world 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.120 sees them as a terrorist or the free world or 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.839 Australia sees them as a terrorist organization. I can understand 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.040 that Fatima payment not have that excuse. Fadam of Payment 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.400 has got basically every possible privilege you could imagine there is. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.599 There is almost no position in Australian society than being 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.799 an She has access. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.200 She is an Afghan Muslim. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.839 But I think this is the thing though, if after 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.600 all that, It's one thing, if she just stepped off 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.440 the boat from Kabul and said, oh, what are you 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.839 talking about the Taliban, aren't They're not a terrorist organization. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.479 They're a wonderful bunch of people. You know. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.080 Sure they don't let me read or write or go 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.320 to school, but you know, what do you mean? But 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.159 for her to have lived most of her life here 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.839 and to have achieved the rank of Australian Senator, to 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.840 have access to any library in the country, including the 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.880 Australian Parliamentary Library, and still not to be able to 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.480 see and say that clearly not not even that hermass 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.040 is a terrorist organization, but what happened on October. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:50.760 Seven is a terrorist act. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:52.240 Libraries do if you. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.960 Or terrorists understand that from all the information that is 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.200 available to you, just that act a line and just 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.719 say yes, that an active terror then there is something 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.800 I think profoundly either wrong with you on a sort 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:11.320 of moral human level, or you are severely limited in 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.919 your intelligence and your ability to process information. And that 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.360 is about as kind as I can possibly be. And 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.599 notwithstanding the fact that she has launched Australia's Voice, which 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.640 clearly is trying to nick some of the red rest 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.440 of the Voice referendum that happened in Australia last year 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.760 and was called the Voice right, so she's clearly ripping 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.320 off that brand and trying to sort of capitalize on it. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.599 Or maybe her new chief of staff or advisor Glenn Drury, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.680 the Preference whisperer's putting some of these ideas in her heads. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.440 It's just got to have everything. So oh yeah, I 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:43.680 like Australia, I like the Voice. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:44.159 I like for that. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.360 They've got no policies, they've got no I don't even 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.800 know if they've got any members apart from her and 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.480 this guy who how good And they didn't they didn't 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.360 even consult the actual Indigenous people in charge of the Voice. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.039 They do would never have had the form she now has. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.279 If the labor nobody that's committed to that's right, dentity 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.800 politics where they put a kid, well, I don't even 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.520 know ifing going for her, except she was female and 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.760 a Muslim and had come from Afghanistan. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:13.920 They were her qualities. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.560 It's diversity, and so they gave her a platform and 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.360 now we're reaping them. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.640 I'm sure if they expected her to win the seat, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.960 because of course the numbers in WA that came in 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.400 later on election night were so stratispherically huge that delivered 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.160 this win, for without which the government might even be 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.040 a minority already. So I'm not sure it's particular particularly 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:31.880 expected her to win. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.360 But whether or whether it was a box sticking. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.640 Exercise or not, she would not be in the Parliament 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.200 were it not for the Australian Labour Party next to 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.960 her name of the Senate. The fact that she is 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.760 still there when there is absolutely no way she would 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.160 ever win an election based on her own intellect, or 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.680 her own values or her own policies, of which she 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.000 has none, The fact that she has refused to do 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.000 the right thing and vacate the seat for another Labor member, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.040 and the fact that she has now had the audacity 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.520 to say that she and apparently she alone, is Australia's 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.400 without actually providing any kind of you know, community policy 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.000 any other evidence of all I mean, that is a 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:13.320 level of hubris which I think is so titanically, ridiculously 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.680 over the top that it actually points to someone who 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.280 is either monomaniacal or frankly, just not all there. And 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.360 I don't know which that is, but it is just nuts. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.240 Well, if you're looking for levels of hubris that are 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.760 just out of control, you can't go much further than 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.640 broadcaster Antonette Latouf, who was famously sacked from a role 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.080 with the ABC after she posted inappropriate comments on social 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.640 media concerning the war in Gaza. Well free of her 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.520 obligations from the ABC, she's continued to post on Instagram. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.280 Have listened to these remarks she posted just the other day, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.679 after a year of butchering civilians, doctors, media and aid workers, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.240 how are all the media personalities, influencers and comedians who 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.440 stayed silent, too busy protecting your precious careers, or because 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.680 it's so complex to amplify a human rights organization holding 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.960 up still getting those contacts in full eight hours sleep, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.680 feeling safe and cozy. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:09.640 Don't worry. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.400 I'd hate for a little thing like live streams suffering 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.400 to interrupt your zen. Meanwhile, I'm loving your selfies and 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:17.480 your yoga posts. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.079 You do you boo. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.080 So she's having a go at media types who didn't 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.120 speak out about Gaza as she did. And then she 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.840 goes on to make these remarks, Yeah, Hamas is widely 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.959 defined in academia and government as an armed resistance movement. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.840 This isn't some new revelation. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.080 There's also been PLO and Fatah, various groups pushing back 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.040 against occupation and apartheid. And then she says this, whether 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.440 you agree with their methods or not, and let's just 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.679 remember their methods were what rape, beheading, burning babies, taking 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.200 children hostages. Whether you agree with their methods or not, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.840 they are resisting the status quo. I would say the ABC, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.280 he dodged a massive bullet. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.320 They did, indeed, and thank god they let her go 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.200 when they did. But this is what I'm talking about 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.280 because Antonete Latoufe is from Lebanese origin. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.880 So once again, when we. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:18.760 Import people, we import their culture, their belief systems, their history. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.920 This is why I am no fan and never have. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 Lebanese Christians think very differently to Lebanese movies. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.400 Indeed, and I'm not lumping them all in together. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.720 But again she has an origin in the Middle East. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.599 I don't know what she was taught by her parents. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.400 I don't know where she's come up with this. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.679 Because the points that you made regarding senator payment are 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:41.640 exactly the same. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.040 Right U has grown plenty of other places. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.160 Plenty of other people have come here from Muslim countries, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.040 plenty of other Arabs here who do not do not 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.160 have any difficulty terrorism together. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:58.400 I'm simply saying I think her ties, her leaning is 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.600 very obvious in this scenario. I mean, I can't be 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.840 the only Westerner who was completely bemused. But last week 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.560 the watch so many people lose their minds over The 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:16.839 Iranian ambassador to Australia praising and expressing his remorse over 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.640 the assassination of Hassan or the surprised. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.160 He said that I'm surprised he's still here. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.240 Of course, they're friends, they're allies like we have. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.120 We allow people to be here. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:34.560 And having imported tens of hundreds of thousands of them 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.040 who believe as people believe in the Middle East. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.840 Period, I don't think I don't think that's a universtal thing. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.200 I can understand again, if you're living under the yoke 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.920 of an organization like Hesbela and Lebanon Sudden Lebanon or 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.119 Hamas in the Gaza strip and there is no democracy, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.840 and you get force fed this stuff that says Israel 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.920 as a bunch of evil, you know, baby killing murderers, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.880 not just it is. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.680 The web and they target Israel. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.040 See, but what you actually want, what you actually want, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.200 even if that is the world view over there, What 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.720 you want is people coming here and realizing that that's 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.719 wrong and that that's not true. And you do get 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.839 people who are prepared to stand up to terrorism. You 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.080 get Jamal Riffi, who is an incredible Muslim community leader 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:18.520 in Southwest Sydney. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.240 Who got come out and it would stand up. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.920 I think no, I think most of those are very 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.920 Most people just keep their head down and we'll see 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:26.960 how they couldn't. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.920 Even name five and certainly I can't name a single 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.440 I mom like a Muslim leader in Australia. I think 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.920 the proof has come out and even condemned just October seven. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.440 But I'm talking to U about ordinary people. So they're 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.240 not they're not household names, they're not lets. So you 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.840 do I think you hear from often the most extreme 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.520 elements and that is part of the problem, that they 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.439 are the ones making the most noise. And I think 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.560 oftentimes people are scared to raise their head about the 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.440 parapet because when you're talking about extremists and terror sympathizers, 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.680 then that can make life very very ugly for you 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.360 in your community. And again, you know, doctor if he's 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.680 had death threats for standing up against Isis, precisely because 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.240 he was standing up against ISIS. So the minority, the 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.079 extreme minority, who were violent and were radical. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:09.760 We're targeting him. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.560 But I think the vast majority, and again this will 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.360 be seen in how well or not the Muslim vote 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.760 goes at the next election. Yeah, we will see how 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.760 we will just see just my intel and what I'm 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.280 being told, whether I'm right or not, is that this 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:28.160 is a very small number of very deluded and extreme 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.679 and naive people, and that the vast majority of the 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.080 Muslim community in Sydney at least will just stick with 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:36.040 the mainstream. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.240 While we're on extreme people. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:42.760 Have a look at Green's act candidate Hareini Renjuran, who 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.680 has posted on a blog equivocate or making an equivalence 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.760 between Jesus Christ and a Sama bin Ladden. She wrote 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.000 a blog post on martyrdom, and she wrote, quote, I 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.920 dream about dying brutally for my country, my family, my loves. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.640 She wrote, I've gone on to idolize several other martyrs, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:09.000 and then she lists Jesus Christ alongside Osama bin Laden. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:09.640 Et cetera. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.040 She wrote, and then when ABC News asked her about it, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.560 she changed the etcetera to laugh my ass off. In 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.800 other words, it was all just a joke, but clearly 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.760 it wasn't. She added that after she'd been caught, what 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.440 does this say about the Greens vetting candidates? Or maybe 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.560 she's exactly the kind of candidate the Greens are looking for? 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.920 Who thinks Jesus and Osama bin Laden are kind of 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:31.000 both heroes? 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.280 Shame really? 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.600 I mean, I think we also need to talk about 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.480 some sort of age limit in parliament. This girl is 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.200 twenty years old and the Greens are putting her up 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.160 to inhabit one of less than eighty seeds in our 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.040 hallowed senate. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.359 I mean, do me a favor. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.320 Be the next part of my pavment. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:57.480 They've got to replacement mind up. This is just ridiculous. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:02.840 We talk often about stupid mista politicians have made years. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.640 Before this was last year she wrote. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.520 This was last year. This kid is still a kid. 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.200 This is just for the act Legislaive Assembly as well, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.160 so she's not actually candidate for the federal parliament. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.720 We have even the Greens that cooked. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.040 Yes, I think I know it's made the meeting, but 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.840 do you really think Adam Banter is sitting at home 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.400 going no. I can't believe she said that thinking she'll 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.400 fit writing it's just Google. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.680 Terrorst sympathizes and then oh that could be our next tip. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:30.800 But this is the thing. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.600 So the change is what gets you. The change is 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.640 the smoking gun, if you like. If this was all 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.320 a completely innocent act of creative writing, why did she 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.440 or the Greens or someone go back in after someone 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.360 was asking questions about it? First thing to be so stupid. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.200 They wouldn't have taken screen grabs. It's already too late. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.200 But then go and change it. And there was another one. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.520 I don't know what the meaning of it is, but 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.080 there was another name that was in there that she 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.200 also deleted, Balachandra Bakum. I don't know if that's some 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.080 hero or something that she didn't want to get in 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.160 trouble for. But again, the fact that she changes et 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.640 cetera to l lmao, so went back in there to 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.800 make it look like a joke, to retrospectively justify the 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.560 excuse that her and the Greens had given the ABAC, which, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:25.120 to their great credit, they discovered uncarved it. If there's 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.920 no if there's no crime, then why is there a 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:28.400 cover up? 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.280 And also, I think the act Greens have already answered 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.200 your question because if this was oh wow, didn't vetter 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.880 properly and she likes her, do they would have They 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.280 would have. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.520 Kicked her out by now I'll be like, haha, sorry. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.280 About that candidate not a candidate anymore. Everyone rest assured instead, No, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.200 we're editing posts now. They haven't disowned her. We're still 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.280 waiting for an appropriate response. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.680 It's simply not happening, which is just typical for those guys. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:03.920 To Queensland now where the native title claims on fifteen townships, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.440 the details of those are being kept from the public. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:13.720 Why. Well, here's the explanation from the government. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:18.000 That is, the applications may contain culturally sensitive material about 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.000 a person's or group's connection to the land, which triggers 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:28.880 intellectual property of the applicant okay Land transfers. Applications would 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.280 also name dead people, which if released, would breach the 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.879 privacy of the deceased and may offend Aboriginal people in 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:43.200 accordance with culture or custom. That is the government's reasonings 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.800 for not releasing the details of these applications on these 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.320 fifteen townships. This has been playing out in Queensland for 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.920 quite some time, you may recall back in July twenty one, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:01.040 the government released this media release dating quite that nearly 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:06.400 a third of Queensland was now under native title. There 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.000 it is they're trumpeting what they clearly perceived to be 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.960 some sort of great news victory. Then in April, the 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:20.080 Native Title Tribunal Map of Queensland showed that forty two 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.640 percent of Queensland's land mass had already been successfully claimed 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.240 as native title. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:27.360 So you can see. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:32.199 That that number is growing quite quickly. And now in 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.520 June of twenty four, just this year, we read this 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:42.120 headline half of Queensland could be claimed by Native title, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.200 So this is moving very fast in Queensland. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.320 Obviously, Queenslanders are quite. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.560 Perturbed about this and would like to know the details 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:56.440 of these applications that are applying for freehold native title 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:01.280 in now fifteen townships and this is our In June, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:07.719 the Kabby Cabby people were given native title holder's status 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.800 of over three hundred and sixty five thousand hectares on 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.600 the Sunshine Coast. So Queenslanders are well and truly sick 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.040 of this. A lot of these fifteen townships are up 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.560 in arms about it, and the government's just saying, oh, well, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:24.639 sod you lot. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.560 I see dead people all under wrap. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.800 It's outrageous that the government won't provide details to the public. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.520 It's not land that politicians have the right to just 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.800 hand out willy nilly according to their. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.280 Ideal logue I ideology. People want details. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.240 And as for the government's excuses, it's culturally sensitive. That's 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.240 pretty sensitive to the people who are going to lose 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.800 access to parks or to climbing mount Warning or the 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.520 property that is going to go freehold to indigenous groups. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.800 If it's going to be upsetting because deceased people are 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:56.920 named in the documents. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.760 When you redact them, you them out. But there was 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:01.480 a third. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.800 Reason why the government said we can't release this information, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.880 and this to me is the most astonishing thing they said. Thirdly, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.359 it might cause conflict if we give all the information, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.600 because when you find out which indigenous group is making 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.120 a claim, there may be other groups that view that 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:19.880 group is having no connection to the land. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:25.000 Well, information gold mine springs to mind. 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:30.040 I can't put my finger on it line with gazillion. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.080 Made public so they can be verified. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.960 If the government are worried, there'll be an argument, isn't 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.040 that proof? 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:39.919 To be honest, I think what is truly going on? 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:44.439 So firstly, just imagine if there was actually something truly 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:50.520 threatening or radical about Queensland going from thirty percent to 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.040 fifty percent Native title, and they never tell us, right 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.680 then we'd already like already, like you say, it's going 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.080 the number keeps going up. But for the most part, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.720 life just goes on. It doesn't actually make any real difference. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:02.760 Now, that's right. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.320 So they want to climb Mount Warning. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.520 Or you know, the Glasshouse mountains or rampions in very 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.960 very we continue going to Fraser Island with the bat 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.320 on cis no difference. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.000 But when that does start to interfere with people's life. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:18.920 For example, if I think there was a case in 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.639 one of these towns they might not get access to 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.240 the park or whatever. If that were to actually happen, 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.320 then you would see an actual revolution, and it wouldn't 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:27.080 be from the Blackfellows. 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:28.840 It would be from there. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.640