Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: One of the bright spots of the past few days
Speaker 2: has been that Adam Band no longer part of the
Speaker 2: Australian political conversation. Well tonight the Liberal woman who helped
Speaker 2: take him down. Her name is Steph Hunt. She ran
Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party in Melbourne. She's a very accomplished
Speaker 2: person and she's one of these new faces.
Speaker 1: That are in and around Australian politics.
Speaker 2: And as always, something we've done over fifteen years of
Speaker 2: this show is introduced you to some new faces, to
Speaker 2: find new friends, to grow the family, and I look
Speaker 2: forward to Steph being part of that tonight. Don't worry,
Speaker 2: all your favorites still part of the family, all still
Speaker 2: very much in what we do. But every now and
Speaker 2: then we're going to introduce you to some new faces.
Speaker 2: And Steph is going to be first cap off the
Speaker 2: ring tonight, and why not. She deserves it after playing
Speaker 2: her role in the demise of Adam Bant. Matt Canavan
Speaker 2: he has not spoken since the decision of his National
Speaker 2: Party colleagues to stick with what they've got in terms.
Speaker 1: Of a leader. He wanted to be that leader.
Speaker 2: He will talk to us tonight and we're off to
Speaker 2: Cans in North Queensland in just a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 2: What a magical part of Australia. This is the photos
Speaker 2: never do it justice. To be there with your own
Speaker 2: eyes is just to be in a form of heaven.
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Speaker 2: Now some big news that is going to affect a
Speaker 2: lot of people around the world, at least for the
Speaker 2: next ninety days. In fact, it's close to breaking news
Speaker 2: because we know that Donald Trump one of his ideas
Speaker 2: about how to make sure that America is great again
Speaker 2: but also to stabilize the world is to introduce tariffs.
Speaker 2: Now virtually every country, including ours, got a ten percent tariff.
Speaker 2: But we also know that all of this was really
Speaker 2: about a fight with China. Now we know that the
Speaker 2: stock markets, well they went particularly crazy after all of
Speaker 2: these things had been first announced, but I continue. The
Speaker 2: breaking news tonight is that China and the United States
Speaker 2: have agreed to not ramp up tariffs on each other.
Speaker 2: In fact, a ten percent tariff for most things coming
Speaker 2: out of China will be the same as the tariff
Speaker 2: paid by a country like Australia. Now the US and
Speaker 2: China have done this deal, it'll be for the next
Speaker 2: ninety days. And the Wall Street Journal, both in their
Speaker 2: own copy and republished in Australia in the Australian newspaper,
Speaker 2: says this that the US and China have said on
Speaker 2: Monday that they agreed to suspend most of the tariffs
Speaker 2: on each other's goods while further trade negotiations continue. But
Speaker 2: simply we're now sitting in a ninety day period where
Speaker 2: everyone's starting to stand down.
Speaker 1: The US said that.
Speaker 2: It would lower its reciprocal tariff on Chinese goods from
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five percent back down to ten percent.
Speaker 2: China has said that it will do the same, back
Speaker 2: down to ten percent from the one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five percent u of tara. US tariffs, however, remain on
Speaker 2: things like fentanyl and other measures, so it's not everything.
Speaker 1: Down to ten percent.
Speaker 2: But basically all of that electronics, all of the global
Speaker 2: supply chain stuff that was going to make prices much
Speaker 2: more expensive in places like America and presumably a flow
Speaker 2: on to places like US. But the two countries say
Speaker 2: that they will establish a mechanism to continue discussions about
Speaker 2: economic and trade relations, meaning it won't be president to president,
Speaker 2: it'll continue being effectively minister to minister. But this is
Speaker 2: very big news for the global economy and for those
Speaker 2: who'd like to pay attention to the stock market, I
Speaker 2: can tell you that the futures market, when the market
Speaker 2: opens in just a couple of hours time, is now
Speaker 2: sitting at forty two thousand. Now that's really important because
Speaker 2: that number is even better than the number or very
Speaker 2: close to the number when things started to fall through
Speaker 2: the floor. The stock market will not be back where
Speaker 2: it was, say around February or December. That's up to
Speaker 2: forty four thousand, but remember it was dipping down to
Speaker 2: what about thirty eight thousand, and we remember the very
Speaker 2: calm reaction the Australian media.
Speaker 1: Had to Australia's stock market reaction.
Speaker 3: Tariffs tariffs tariffs are tariffs, tariffs, tariff terriffs.
Speaker 1: Tariffs are tariffs, tariffs.
Speaker 4: Tariff tariff, tariff, tariffs tariff.
Speaker 1: Now you would recall the great setting on.
Speaker 2: Fire of many people's hair, and yes, it became an
Speaker 2: important moment, in fact, one of the most important moments
Speaker 2: in and around the campaign. But something you haven't heard
Speaker 2: on the six pm news, something you don't read about
Speaker 2: and all of those people who were very interested when
Speaker 2: the market went down, is that, firstly, the American market
Speaker 2: seems to be on its way back up and the
Speaker 2: Australian market is actually higher than where it was when
Speaker 2: the panic set in. Now, yes, there are plenty of
Speaker 2: people who get very concerned about what happens on any
Speaker 2: one day in the stock market, but the reality is,
Speaker 2: for anyone who's really in the stock market, it's not
Speaker 2: even about week to week, it's not even about month
Speaker 2: to month. It's about year to year. And if we
Speaker 2: can see again where the stock market has been, you
Speaker 2: can see the dip at eight thousand points has now
Speaker 2: been replaced by the performance that is.
Speaker 1: Now three hundred points higher.
Speaker 2: The Australian stock market is higher than the day before
Speaker 2: things started to go crazy. In fact, you can start
Speaker 2: to roll back that we're talking about more like March,
Speaker 2: not what was happening in and around April. Now, again,
Speaker 2: this did concern an awful lot of people. It was
Speaker 2: the stock market in particular that forced a very important
Speaker 2: group of voters to start to move from the coalition
Speaker 2: to labor.
Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting all the wall.
Speaker 2: Coverage of the panic in order to help get the
Speaker 2: political result? But where then, when all of those losses
Speaker 2: have been wiped out and now they are starting to
Speaker 2: go back above those numbers. Nothing to see here or
Speaker 2: somehow it's all Jim Chalmer's great work. And there's good Trump,
Speaker 2: there's bad Trump. There's decisions he makes that are fantastic,
Speaker 2: and there are ones that all of us will WinCE at,
Speaker 2: even those of us who support the president. But as
Speaker 2: I have said to anyone who will listen since November
Speaker 2: last year, forget the panic. Wait a week, or in
Speaker 2: this case, just wait a few weeks, and then we
Speaker 2: can start to see what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happens in the next ninety days,
Speaker 2: but if a stock market is rolling back to before
Speaker 2: the panic, and in the American market is probably going
Speaker 2: to surge way past where the dip was then who
Speaker 2: are the people who really were setting their hair on fire?
Speaker 2: People actually losing money, people making money off huge amounts
Speaker 2: of stock trades, or people who wanted to ram home
Speaker 2: a political point in service of the election result that
Speaker 2: they wanted, of course to So that would be a
Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister has been juggling egos, most importantly
Speaker 2: his own.
Speaker 1: But everyone must know he is all all amazing. It
Speaker 1: will rule for the next four hundred years.
Speaker 2: Why because upon getting a third of the vote and
Speaker 2: another third in preferences, he of course has more than
Speaker 2: ninety seats in the Parliament. Today, as you know, he
Speaker 2: announced a whole collection of new ministers. Who are the
Speaker 2: old ministers moving to new portfolios?
Speaker 1: Now? Who cares? Who's the winners and losers? But some
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Significant movements here are worth noting. Michelle Rowland who when
Speaker 2: she was the Communications Minister, remember wanting to censor the
Speaker 2: Internet to decide what was truth and not truth and
Speaker 2: the government would make the decision. Well, she's now the
Speaker 2: Attorney General of the country in charge of put simply
Speaker 2: the chief law officer of our country and how the
Speaker 2: system works. Tony Burke, who of course moved into the
Speaker 2: Home Affairs portfolio after clueless Claire O'Neill and that idiot
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles did the damage that they did. Well, guess
Speaker 2: what he of course wouldn't call out hate preachers because
Speaker 2: that would be inconvenient to his own political process. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what one of his responsibilities are now going to
Speaker 2: be in Home Affairs. He's now going to be in
Speaker 2: charge of the Australian Federal Police and ASIO, both of
Speaker 2: which would have a significant role looking into hate preachers.
Speaker 2: Elections have consequences people. We will live with them for
Speaker 2: many years to come. Also those that have been moving
Speaker 2: around aged care. Difficult issue for any politician to get
Speaker 2: their head around, but one where some politicians don't want
Speaker 2: to really get their hands dirty. So we've changed the
Speaker 2: letterhead and we've got this new body, and this new
Speaker 2: body's going to do all the work. So I'm not
Speaker 2: responsible for anything. But I tell you the person with
Speaker 2: the widest smile, the widest smile because they have got
Speaker 2: one heck of a promotion is Anika Wells, who replaced
Speaker 2: Wayne Swann as the Labor member for Lily. She's, of course,
Speaker 2: somebody who considers herself to be quite the girl boss,
Speaker 2: but more importantly just amazing on social media. She's down
Speaker 2: with the kids, and she's not at all patronizing when
Speaker 2: she compares the federal budget to a math's dinner party
Speaker 2: like a mass.
Speaker 1: Did a party.
Speaker 6: This budgetweek has been filled with drama and intrigue. So
Speaker 6: welcome to policy as pop culture, your pre election guide.
Speaker 5: To the big issues.
Speaker 6: Now, it's been a busy week budget on Tuesday, last
Speaker 6: night's final din a.
Speaker 2: Party on Mass perfect example about these sort of labor
Speaker 2: star with zero connections to the world of small business.
Speaker 2: And didn't she prove that when she was trying to
Speaker 2: ram home while she believed to be one of the
Speaker 2: problems with the Liberal parties policy which suggested that if
Speaker 2: you are a small business that you would be able
Speaker 2: to write off on your tax taking out your staff
Speaker 2: or a client for lunch. This is the rule, of
Speaker 2: course with big business and big banks and big unions.
Speaker 2: But god forbid if you, the ABN holder, would be
Speaker 2: able to have the same tax break that a bank has.
Speaker 2: Here was a pretty arrogant performance, one that of course
Speaker 2: was rewarded by the media and went down like a
Speaker 2: treat on social media, where she liked to pretend that
Speaker 2: the average small business in Australia has enough money lying
Speaker 2: around that they could take whoever they wanted to the
Speaker 2: super Bowl, the grand final of American football in the
Speaker 2: United States, and claimant on tax according.
Speaker 6: To the coalition's publicly defined parameters of their own policy,
Speaker 6: business could spand up to twenty thousand dollars of Elizabeth's
Speaker 6: own taxpayer funds to attend something like, for example, the
Speaker 6: Super Bowl, to lather themselves in buffalo wings and babyback rips,
Speaker 6: notdding along to Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 2: Now, one of the things that's really important to notice
Speaker 2: about people who have incredible ambition, and every single member
Speaker 2: of the Parliament wants to be the leader one day,
Speaker 2: regardless of what party they are sitting in, and all
Speaker 2: of them who say otherwise, please this might be a
Speaker 2: little bit of a look around the corner into future
Speaker 2: generations of the type of person who will be rewarded
Speaker 2: by the Labor Party, because you see, one of the
Speaker 2: smartest things that Anthony Albanezi did when he was a
Speaker 2: government minister or in opposition was to never have a
Speaker 2: portfolio that really ever had to.
Speaker 1: Deliver bad news.
Speaker 2: This means that you're able to build up a caricaturer
Speaker 2: of yourself. And of course there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: enemies in the closet in terms of with the decisions
Speaker 2: that have been made. Now, Anika Wells is not going
Speaker 2: to get her hands dirty anymore when it comes to
Speaker 2: aged care. That's off to somebody else. So she has
Speaker 2: a superministry. That is the ministry every politician would dream of.
Speaker 2: She's the Sports Minister in Australia and they've also announced
Speaker 2: today that she will be in charge of the media. Now,
Speaker 2: when it comes to being the sports minister, you get
Speaker 2: to go to all of the big major sporting events
Speaker 2: around the country and you get to go for free.
Speaker 2: Here she is in two thousand and two in the
Speaker 2: birdcage at the Melbourne Cup, when, of course she was
Speaker 2: told by Anthony Abernezi at the time, don't do it
Speaker 2: because it gives off a bad look.
Speaker 1: But what does she care.
Speaker 2: I'm the sportsman and I have to be there in
Speaker 2: the birdcage.
Speaker 1: This job is also.
Speaker 2: One that pays many hundreds of thousands of dollars and
Speaker 2: comes with it an.
Speaker 1: Awful lot of free tickets.
Speaker 2: In fact, I can scroll up on the TV for
Speaker 2: you right now, all of the different things that she
Speaker 2: has declared on her registry of gifts, like corporate tickets
Speaker 2: to the NRL, the AFL, the women's basketball tournaments, the
Speaker 2: tickets to the Prime Minister's eleven, also the NFL, the
Speaker 2: ARL FEB. There's also the as I say, women's basketball.
Speaker 2: There's the Brisbane Lyons, there's the AFL Finals. There's a
Speaker 2: ticket donated by the Guardian for her to attend the
Speaker 2: Midwinter Ball where all of the media gets to play
Speaker 2: with all the politicians.
Speaker 1: Isn't it a great system?
Speaker 2: Plus a couple of corporate tickets for her, plus one
Speaker 2: to not one, but two State of Origin games. And
Speaker 2: then there's the list that Anika Wells has put out
Speaker 2: there of what she is completely legally entitled to. But
Speaker 2: why she's the happiest lady in the Cabinet because this
Speaker 2: is some of the travel and hospitality that she has
Speaker 2: received since becoming a minister. She's gone to the Sale GP,
Speaker 2: the Australian Tennis Open, She's gone to the McGrath Foundations
Speaker 2: Pink Test in Sydney. She's also multiple times gone to
Speaker 2: multiple cricket events in fact, in fact, it's a very
Speaker 2: long list. The AFLW preliminary Final. She's been to the
Speaker 2: dally M Awards, She's been to the Brown Low, She's
Speaker 2: been to the Live Golf. She's even been to Motorsport
Speaker 2: Australia's President's Dinner. She's been to the Formula One, She's
Speaker 2: been to Taylor Swift and so on and so on
Speaker 2: and so on. Why because, of course the Sports Minister
Speaker 2: has to be there and all of the sporting organizations
Speaker 2: are more than happy for her to get the freebee.
Speaker 2: Why because they wouldn't want to upset the dear person
Speaker 2: who could be in charge of regulating things in and
Speaker 2: around sport. Well, she gets an extra job. No longer
Speaker 2: having to worry about age care. She is now the
Speaker 2: Communications Minister. As the Communications Minister, she is now in
Speaker 2: full control of the regulatory environment around radio, television, newspapers online.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she'll probably find some way to make it
Speaker 2: harder for me to do my job because I point
Speaker 2: out everything I just did. But if you're the Sports
Speaker 2: Minister and you can go to all the sport in
Speaker 2: Australia for free, and you're the Communications Minister and nobody
Speaker 2: in the media will bag you, then you are going
Speaker 2: to be the happiest person in the cabinet, a person
Speaker 2: who in fifty five years, when the Prime Minister decides
Speaker 2: to move on, keep an eye on her, or she
Speaker 2: will move up the chain. She doesn't like criticism, she
Speaker 2: can't stand what I've just shown you. She'll girl boss
Speaker 2: something and passive aggressively do something on social media, no
Speaker 2: doubt in the next little while. But the reality is,
Speaker 2: this is a person who is now in charge of
Speaker 2: the free speech that our nation is able to have
Speaker 2: or not have yet when it comes to her own
Speaker 2: constituents on her own Facebook page, if you're a critic
Speaker 2: blocked of course power bills. What the Prime Minister did
Speaker 2: make that foolish remark? Didn't he three years ago that
Speaker 2: power bills would fall? And then, as we showed you
Speaker 2: during the election campaign, it wasn't dumb enough to make
Speaker 2: that promise again. So guess who stays exactly where they are?
Speaker 2: The bloke with the responsibility for bringing power prices down, who,
Speaker 2: of course, will just spend billions of dollars off budget
Speaker 2: to continue to achieve what they all want to achieve,
Speaker 2: which is to make themselves look better at an international
Speaker 2: climate conference, which, according to labor activists, could push Australia
Speaker 2: towards a seventy five percent reduction in emissions.
Speaker 1: It's currently forty three percent.
Speaker 2: Oh and not by twenty fifty in twenty thirty five.
Speaker 2: Remember when the Prime Minister was all out of sorts
Speaker 2: when Peter Dutton was asked a question by Kyle and Jackie. Oh,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a policy announcement, he was just asked a
Speaker 2: question by Colin JACKIEO would you prefer to live in
Speaker 2: the Lodge? Oruld you prefer to live at Curabilly And
Speaker 2: being on a Sydney radio show, yes, also heard in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: no offense Kyle. He answered that yeah, I'd like to
Speaker 2: live at Curriabilly House. Well, that was immediately run up
Speaker 2: the flag pile and turned into the outrage of the
Speaker 2: day when we weren't Parliament panicking about a stock market, which,
Speaker 2: by the way has completely recovered that the alternative prime
Speaker 2: minister was measuring the curtains. He was too up himself
Speaker 2: by even having an opinion about which house that he
Speaker 2: would live in, be it the Lodge or be it
Speaker 2: Kirabilly House. Well, how would the Prime Minister describe himself
Speaker 2: the day before the federal election when he was already
Speaker 2: starting to plan for a third term of his own government.
Speaker 2: He's not just measuring the curtains. He's got the curtains
Speaker 2: and he can refurbish them whenever he wants. Similarly, Jim
Speaker 2: Chan says that he needs.
Speaker 1: At least another two terms.
Speaker 2: So three terms in government to fix the Australian economy. Also,
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to know whether when the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: and the rest of his cabinet are sworn in tomorrow
Speaker 2: at Government House, will he make the full conversion to
Speaker 2: the deep and committed Christian that we know he is,
Speaker 2: because in twenty twenty two he took the oath of Affirmation,
Speaker 2: which was not swearing to God. He did not hold
Speaker 2: the Bible to be sworn in by. Now that's fine
Speaker 2: as a person not a faith I don't care whether
Speaker 2: you do or you don't. But this is the guy who,
Speaker 2: of course was desperate to follow up on the Labor
Speaker 2: Party review into why in part they failed in the
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen election, which was to say, communities of faith
Speaker 2: have lost faith in the Labor Party. So even though
Speaker 2: the actual rubber hitting the road was I once swear
Speaker 2: on a Bible when it.
Speaker 1: Was Easter Sunday. There he was in the front row,
Speaker 1: not campaigning.
Speaker 2: Not campaigning of course when the Pope died as well.
Speaker 2: So we'll find out exactly what he'll do tomorrow when
Speaker 2: it comes to swearing in.
Speaker 1: What will have changed in three years.
Speaker 2: If he decides to pick up the Bible, What new
Speaker 2: confidence does he have in faith that he's willing to
Speaker 2: talk about, or will he do the secular thing because
Speaker 2: you don't want to upset all of the other or
Speaker 2: the non faiths. And also when we talk about the
Speaker 2: arrogance of measuring the curtains, the bloke who's now got
Speaker 2: more than ninety seats in the Federal Parliament, who does
Speaker 2: honestly believe that there is no scandal that will cause
Speaker 2: him trouble, no opposition who will start to peg him
Speaker 2: back anytime in the next three, six or even nine years.
Speaker 2: Guess who's coming back? Well, Anthony Aberezi didn't go to
Speaker 2: NATO because he wanted to be in Australia. He didn't
Speaker 2: want to be criticized for going overseas because you see there,
Speaker 2: what was that term that we had, Oh that's right,
Speaker 2: airbus albow wasn't just something said here by the way,
Speaker 2: it was a cartoon on top of the article written
Speaker 2: by Mark Riley, the guy who of course moderated the
Speaker 2: debate for Channel seven. That's right, airbus albow. Well, guess
Speaker 2: what's back airbus albow, Because not only is he off
Speaker 2: to Indonesia in the next few days, he will then
Speaker 2: of course do his solemn duty as a committed person
Speaker 2: when it comes to faith that he will be there
Speaker 2: for the inauguration of the Pope, and then he's got
Speaker 2: a few other flights booked.
Speaker 7: Yes, after swearing in his ministry tomorrow, the Prime Minister
Speaker 7: heads to Indonesia on Wednesday. Is also confirmed. He'll then
Speaker 7: go from Jakarta to Rome for the inauguration mass of
Speaker 7: Pope Leo. As a Catholic, there is significance for the
Speaker 7: Prime Minister, but also opportunity to meet with European leaders
Speaker 7: as the Australia EU free trade talks resume in the
Speaker 7: wake of Donald Trump's tariffs. The Prime Minister has likely
Speaker 7: trips to Asian in Malaysia and the G seven summit
Speaker 7: in Canada, all in the coming weeks. It means he'll
Speaker 7: be trotting the globe as the new Liberal leader, whoever
Speaker 7: it is, gets their feet under.
Speaker 2: The desk, airbus, albow back and ruin because he thinks
Speaker 2: he is now untouchable, and he may will be, But
Speaker 2: as long as we remain a free speech country, we
Speaker 2: will be able to criticize him, unless, of course, the
Speaker 2: new Minister for Communications finds a new and creative way
Speaker 2: to be able to do what the previous one and
Speaker 2: the previous Prime minister in this current Prime ministery is
Speaker 2: last and wanted to do, which was of course, to
Speaker 2: define what the truth is, to censor criticism conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: Now tomorrow the Liberal Party will make its choice about
Speaker 2: whom is going to be its next leader. Both Akus
Speaker 2: Taylor and Susan Lee both believe they've got the numbers,
Speaker 2: but in a much smaller party room, who knows what
Speaker 2: the numbers are. As Dave Sharma told us today on
Speaker 2: Sky News.
Speaker 7: I think it is a close contest, and I think
Speaker 7: both candidates have strong claims and credentials.
Speaker 2: But the media not willing to get this one wrong. Now,
Speaker 2: of course somebody will end up having more votes than
Speaker 2: the other. What's the official line tonight?
Speaker 1: The Liberals will vote on a new opposition leader tomorrow.
Speaker 1: The contest between Susan Lee and Angus Taylor.
Speaker 6: Ted tomorrow it's the Liberals turn to resolve what's expected
Speaker 6: to be a tight leadership contest.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, regardless of whom they choose, let me
Speaker 2: tell you what the criticism of them will be straight
Speaker 2: out of the gate by the Labor Party.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, if it's Susan Lee, well you were the
Speaker 2: deputy to Peter Dutton, meaning you are now the new
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. I'm not entirely sure how they're going to
Speaker 2: make her the new Trump, but we'll all find out
Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks or so. Well, the
Speaker 2: stock market's back from where it was, don't tell anyone,
Speaker 2: of course, if it's Angus Taylor, we already know this
Speaker 2: whole army of people on x or Twitter as they
Speaker 2: preferred to call it way back when with the little
Speaker 2: water drops will be about water investments. And of course
Speaker 2: when it comes to this enterprise, well, she must be
Speaker 2: punished for leading the case against what many of the
Speaker 2: elites who now say the Liberal Party has no future
Speaker 2: and offer free advice to the Liberal Party that they
Speaker 2: never would have voted for. She will, of course must
Speaker 2: be punished because she, of course denied them. Now they'll
Speaker 2: try to make a lot out of things like her
Speaker 2: travel compared to somebody an MP who lives in the act.
Speaker 2: But remember when you hear and read all of these stories,
Speaker 2: she lives in Alice Springs, where I'm pretty sure there's
Speaker 2: no direct flights to Canberra. In fact, to make a
Speaker 2: flight to make a meeting in Canberra, you've got to
Speaker 2: either flight at Brisbane or Darwin or maybe Sidney the
Speaker 2: night before before turning around and making your way towards Camberra.
Speaker 1: But you know that before conspiracy there you don't talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: As for Tim Wilson, the Teal slayer out of the
Speaker 2: seat of Goldstein, he is not going to be putting
Speaker 2: himself forward as leader.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with this guy. I hope
Speaker 2: that he's shadow treasurer or shadow finance or something like that,
Speaker 2: because the work what he did on frankin Credits a
Speaker 2: few years ago excellent. But he's certainly somebody who is
Speaker 2: going to be very very media friendly. As a young
Speaker 2: man trying to find my place in the world, I
Speaker 2: realized the Liberal Party was the place for me. The
Speaker 2: relationship has been complicated, but it's been the right one.
Speaker 2: I've never been a conservative nor a moderate. I've always
Speaker 2: been a liberal with a very liberal conviction, just you know,
Speaker 2: the type of language that every person in the street
Speaker 2: would completely understand.
Speaker 1: But good luck to him.
Speaker 2: Look forward to a conversation should he take our phone
Speaker 2: calls which was slightly different than anyway, if he wants
Speaker 2: to take our phone calls at any time, welcome to
Speaker 2: discuss anything on this show. But as for the Nationals,
Speaker 2: they made their decision today and it was to stick
Speaker 2: with David Little Proud. Matt Canavan did put his hand
Speaker 2: up today, did suggest that there was a different way,
Speaker 2: but they've decided no, let's double down. And the man
Speaker 2: joining us right now in Canberra is the wonderful Matt Canavan. Matt,
Speaker 2: nice to see you mate. What did it feel like,
Speaker 2: even if you did or didn't know the numbers were,
Speaker 2: like when you saw a moment where this boy from
Speaker 2: Queensland had a chance to step up in national leadership.
Speaker 2: What was that moment like before you even knew what
Speaker 2: the result was.
Speaker 5: Well, Paul, it.
Speaker 8: Was just very humbling to receive the support of thousands
Speaker 8: of Australians has really been an outpouring. I think something
Speaker 8: like eleven thousand Australians sent emails over the weekend, had
Speaker 8: enormous support on social media, had people just random people
Speaker 8: generating content and support of me. And that's just very
Speaker 8: humbling to have people support you. To certainly put the
Speaker 8: fire back in my belly to get cracking on this. Yeah, look,
Speaker 8: I just didn't think we had enough to fight for
Speaker 8: in the election campaign and I've got through that, but
Speaker 8: I don't think we gave a real choice to the
Speaker 8: austrain people. Over the past five days, I've got that
Speaker 8: fireback that we can do some things differently. We can
Speaker 8: fight for what we truly believe, and we can fight
Speaker 8: for a better future for our country. The problem we
Speaker 8: really had as I've gone through this, I've really clarified
Speaker 8: my thinking, Paul, on what has gone wrong. If you like,
Speaker 8: the problem of the election was that we told everybody
Speaker 8: that the world has gone to hell, your life is rubbish,
Speaker 8: everything's costing more, but we're not going to propose any
Speaker 8: radical changes to fix it. Correct Now, those two things
Speaker 8: don't add up. You can't say, yeah, albenez he's done
Speaker 8: all these terrible things, but they're not proposed of solutions
Speaker 8: that would actually fix those terrible things, and I've at
Speaker 8: least put forward a platform that I think would help
Speaker 8: us square that circle and say that, look, let's get
Speaker 8: rid of all these ridiculous green schemes that are costing
Speaker 8: a fortune. On the government's own research, net zero would
Speaker 8: cost nine trillion dollars to get to by twenty fifty.
Speaker 8: We don't have nine trillion dollars. People don't have nine
Speaker 8: trillion dollars. And it's about time we put the Australian
Speaker 8: people first. So I'll keep fighting for that. I may
Speaker 8: have lost the battle today, but the war against this
Speaker 8: net zero madness is not over.
Speaker 5: I welcome the.
Speaker 8: Fact that the newly elected, re elected leader David little
Speaker 8: Brad has said today that he's open to reviewing that
Speaker 8: had zero policy. So if you'd like to see then
Speaker 8: net zero policy scrapped. If your viewers are like it scrapped,
Speaker 8: get onto David little Prad, get onto your local member
Speaker 8: of Parliament the Nationals Party, and tell them to get
Speaker 8: rid of this madness and actually put up a fight
Speaker 8: for our country.
Speaker 2: So, after considering leadership and contesting leadership, and we know
Speaker 2: how involved in the fight that you are, and as
Speaker 2: clearly as you can define things. Do you want to
Speaker 2: try to serve in the shadow ministry? Is that a
Speaker 2: conversation you've had with David Little Proud, Because it would
Speaker 2: seem obvious to me that if you're a person who
Speaker 2: many of us will consider a leading light, that you've
Speaker 2: got to be in the room.
Speaker 5: Look, I haven't had that conversation.
Speaker 8: My position hasn't changed that I will not serve in
Speaker 8: a ministry that supports policy of zero emissions because I
Speaker 8: want to keep taking up the fight in the battle
Speaker 8: against that. I've been doing that ever since we adopted
Speaker 8: this ridiculous proposal a few years ago. There's never been
Speaker 8: a plan to achieve it, never been a proper outline
Speaker 8: of what's going to happen. And you should now a
Speaker 8: set of binding target like this with no flexibility when
Speaker 8: you don't really know how are you going to get there?
Speaker 8: So look, I'll just keep fighting against that. Who knows
Speaker 8: what happens. I say, David has opened the window today
Speaker 8: about need zero being on the or least on the
Speaker 8: review table, so let's see what happens there.
Speaker 5: We don't have a coalition agreement with the Liberal.
Speaker 8: Party either yet, so I have no idea what the
Speaker 8: situation will be with a shadow ministry, so all of
Speaker 8: those questions of the future. But I won't stop fighting, Paul.
Speaker 8: This has never been about me being leader or trying
Speaker 8: to change the leadership sorry of the National's Party. Even
Speaker 8: It's actually been about changing the policy. That's why I
Speaker 8: put up this fight, and I think we've made progress
Speaker 8: on that in the last week.
Speaker 2: Now, I said this POLITI to all National Party in
Speaker 2: pies or members, right, is it the tale that wags
Speaker 2: the dog or is it the dog that wags the tail?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And we know that the Liberal Party makes its choice
Speaker 2: tomorrow and under the coalition agreement. Essentially, obviously, while you're
Speaker 2: your own political identity, with its own machine and a
Speaker 2: very good record of being able to hold on to
Speaker 2: its seats, you are somewhat defined at times by what
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party does and what it chooses. Now you've
Speaker 2: heard everything in the past seven days, from get rid
Speaker 2: of nuclear to quotas for this, quotas for that, ditch this,
Speaker 2: change this, rename everything, change the logo. You're a member
Speaker 2: of the NATS, which means you don't have a say
Speaker 2: in the way the Liberal Party goes, but you're obviously
Speaker 2: interested in how the head of the horse goes here,
Speaker 2: don't you.
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 8: Really, I've got so much I've got so much band
Speaker 8: with Paul. I've had a big day focused on my party.
Speaker 5: Out. I'm vaguely aware.
Speaker 8: There's something going on in the other room, but look,
Speaker 8: I yeah, I just don't have a mental capacity to
Speaker 8: think too hard about their problem that. Look, there's a
Speaker 8: lot of lot to do for us. There's a long
Speaker 8: way back here. I'm firmly of the view that we
Speaker 8: can win the next election, but I don't think we'll
Speaker 8: have a fighting chance unless we've up a fight. So, however,
Speaker 8: the Liberal Party picked tomorrow, I hope well gird ourselves
Speaker 8: for that battle, to not be shy about standing up
Speaker 8: for what we believe in, to keep our focus duly square,
Speaker 8: square and duly focused on the interests of the Australian people.
Speaker 8: You know one thing I've got a bit sick and
Speaker 8: tired of since the election Paul is everybody talking about
Speaker 8: their values and principles of free markets and liberty and
Speaker 8: all this stuff. It's all great, it all sounds fantastic,
Speaker 8: but my experience over the last ten years here is
Speaker 8: people don't always act in tune with that flowery language
Speaker 8: that gets trotted out after defeats like this, And I
Speaker 8: just want us to focus on action. We're here to act,
Speaker 8: We're here to do things, not write philosophical tree tisers.
Speaker 8: So let's think very hard about what we can do
Speaker 8: tangibly do to benefit the Australian people. Whether it's to
Speaker 8: get back to producing energy with all of Australia's energy resources,
Speaker 8: it's not just exporting it to our competitors so they
Speaker 8: can take more of our jobs from us. Things like that.
Speaker 8: Maybe we should get back to building dams. Where's that
Speaker 8: gone from the conversation? Why are we building more dams?
Speaker 8: We built the rookerd Weir in central Queensland under the
Speaker 8: last Coestion government.
Speaker 5: It's going great guns. Let's do more of that.
Speaker 8: Why do I Why don't we have a real focus
Speaker 8: on lifting the birth rate. It's a shocking statistic at
Speaker 8: the moment, with only one and a half babies per woman.
Speaker 8: That means the math on That means Paul that for
Speaker 8: every hundred Australians alive today, there will only be forty
Speaker 8: great grandchildren descended from them in three generations, just forty
Speaker 8: from one hundred, and our population will decrease from twenty
Speaker 8: seven million to just eleven million people descended from the
Speaker 8: Australians alive today in three generations unless we lift the
Speaker 8: birth rate from one point five babies per woman.
Speaker 2: Well, and we know that that number that everyone looks
Speaker 2: to is forty four median people, forty four million people
Speaker 2: by the twenty sixty. So do the maths on as
Speaker 2: you say, the descendants of it.
Speaker 5: The rest have to be from somewhere else and get.
Speaker 2: Correct, right, and then of course the Ponzi scheme in
Speaker 2: and around all of that last question here, right, Because
Speaker 2: again I love talking to you. I look forward to
Speaker 2: our chats each and every Monday night. I'll obviously talk
Speaker 2: to your fair but I assume those can continue. But
Speaker 2: I wanted to say this, right, which is I remember
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the voice, both on air
Speaker 2: and Orfair, right, and I'd showed you this pole, and
Speaker 2: we'd mentioned this in this and I remember always just saying, look,
Speaker 2: I don't care, believe in what you believe in, and
Speaker 2: essentially swing for the fences on.
Speaker 1: Behalf of what you actually believe in.
Speaker 2: How important is that while people are again turning themselves
Speaker 2: in knots imagining what three years, six years, nine years,
Speaker 2: looks like from now, do you agree it's time to
Speaker 2: swing for the fences. Back it up with all the
Speaker 2: smarts and the way to sell something.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to go for change, go for change.
Speaker 8: I mean, what have we got to lose. We've had
Speaker 8: the most crushing, worst defeat since the Second World War.
Speaker 8: That's why I was voting or trying to generate change today.
Speaker 8: What we did last time, I'd argue, what we'd have
Speaker 8: done the last couple of elections hasn't work. So what
Speaker 8: do we got to lose? Let's do something different. At
Speaker 8: least I have bloody fun if we argue for things
Speaker 8: we believe in. And courage is contagious, right, and it is.
Speaker 8: There is something about having fun too. I mean it's trying,
Speaker 8: but I have had a lot of fun the last
Speaker 8: five days arguing for what I believe in, and with
Speaker 8: all these we actually call them dark Nats, Paul, the
Speaker 8: Darkknats groups online creating all this wonderful content.
Speaker 5: That's been a huge amount of fun.
Speaker 8: And it's interesting when you're with a group of people,
Speaker 8: with a band of brothers and sisters having fun, you
Speaker 8: know you're more motivated you're energized, and guess what more,
Speaker 8: people are probably likely to be convinced that you're got
Speaker 8: their best interest at heart if you really have conviction
Speaker 8: and you show that you're having fun doing it. And
Speaker 8: I just think, look that the election campaign wasn't a
Speaker 8: lot of fun because we didn't really push for significant
Speaker 8: change which we genuinely believe with great conviction that would
Speaker 8: be better for the Istral people.
Speaker 1: Except of course when you were joining me at seagulls
Speaker 1: and tweeteits. I know that was fun for you as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Matte.
Speaker 1: We love you mate.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you today. Good on you for
Speaker 2: stepping up and always swing for the fences. Look forward
Speaker 2: to seeing you next week mate.
Speaker 5: Thanks mate.
Speaker 2: How good is he Matt Canavan of course, senator from
Speaker 2: Coins then good on him for ste stepping up today
Speaker 2: and you agree with what he's just had to say.
Speaker 1: Some minima Paul at skynews dot com dot you all right.
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more, including the lady who played
Speaker 2: her part and it was a massive part in getting
Speaker 2: rid of Adam Bands a new face to pull Mariray
Speaker 2: live in a moment along with the wonderful Frayer Leech, honesty,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for watching. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: like happy talk, but I like happy people. Freyer Leech
Speaker 2: is one of those, and we love having her as
Speaker 2: part of the family here at Port Murray Live and
Speaker 2: Sky News and a new face here. Steph Hunt is
Speaker 2: her name. She's a lawyer, she's got her own legal practice.
Speaker 2: She's done incredible things in Melbourne, and she ran for
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in Melbourne, and of course that Liberal
Speaker 2: vote and the preferences were the reason Adam Bant is
Speaker 2: no longer part of the fun. Frayer, love you to
Speaker 2: see you, Steph, love you to meet you. I've been
Speaker 2: following you on Instagram and I've loved all your enthusiasm
Speaker 2: for the past few weeks. How do you feel knowing
Speaker 2: that band is gone?
Speaker 4: Relieved? Very so tell me arabel I believed. I mean
Speaker 4: it was a massive effort.
Speaker 1: No, no, you go.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we've got a little satellite delay here, so just
Speaker 2: power on. So give me an idea. Why did you
Speaker 2: get in the race?
Speaker 1: Why did you want him gone?
Speaker 4: Look? I just formed the view sometime last year, probably
Speaker 4: around May, that he was no longer in the national interest,
Speaker 4: He wasn't acting in the national interest and it was
Speaker 4: actually in the national interest to get rid of him.
Speaker 4: So I put my hand up and I got endorsed
Speaker 4: as the Liberal candidate for the seat of Melbourne in
Speaker 4: July last year, and I ran a really hard, long
Speaker 4: campaign for nine months to unseat him basically, and it
Speaker 4: got to the point for me where, you know, I
Speaker 4: whether it was me or Sarah, and ultimately it was Sarah.
Speaker 4: I just I thought made the best woman win.
Speaker 2: What sort of dirty technics did the Greens play along
Speaker 2: the way, because I have no doubt every opportunity you
Speaker 2: had to go to a public forum, it was all
Speaker 2: you know, boos and hisses and all the passive aggressive
Speaker 2: this and that. But give me an idea about the
Speaker 2: incoming and how did you turn that away? Because you
Speaker 2: kept a very very happy face and a happy warrior
Speaker 2: is the type of person that I want to see moral.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Paul, that means a lot. Look, it was
Speaker 4: pretty grueling, especially the start. I had people yelling, even
Speaker 4: when I was just doing door knocking in say Fitzroy
Speaker 4: for example, last year, I had people, you know, one
Speaker 4: of the most harrowing sort of instances was when a
Speaker 4: guy was walking with a Pram and he yelled out,
Speaker 4: get out of our neighborhood. You're in the wrong area,
Speaker 4: you know, as a liberal. And I said, well, actually
Speaker 4: it's don't you think it's good for democracy that you
Speaker 4: get a choice of who you can vote for? And
Speaker 4: he said democracy. Excuse the language. You might be able
Speaker 4: to beat that out.
Speaker 1: We'll get it in post. Yeah, we'll get it in
Speaker 1: post rocket roll.
Speaker 4: Anyways, basically I did not expect that. I did not
Speaker 4: expect that. I was like quite taken aback there I am,
Speaker 4: you know, doing doing what I believe is definitely in
Speaker 4: their democratic interest to know, you know, the other side
Speaker 4: of the equation, you know, when you've got the Greens
Speaker 4: leader who pits the haves against the have nots and
Speaker 4: makes you know, so many young people believe that genuinely
Speaker 4: you know that they've got it tougher, not because of
Speaker 4: the actual leader of the Greens who's been the one
Speaker 4: that's deserted everyone in Melbourne for so long, but for
Speaker 4: f other forces. And it's just so divisive and polarizing
Speaker 4: that that's why when I started running, I had people,
Speaker 4: you know, really giving it to me and they're throwing
Speaker 4: it back. Was the stories on Instagram tagging me you know,
Speaker 4: how dare she come knock on my door? You know, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I did, and you know what, actually months in,
Speaker 4: right up until early voting, I did notice a change
Speaker 4: and people were way more respectful. You know. I had
Speaker 4: those ads out there to show that I was listening
Speaker 4: and I had heard them when you know, all the
Speaker 4: residents were talking about you know, they wanted safety, affordability
Speaker 4: and support for small business. So there was definitely a change.
Speaker 4: But that didn't mean that, you know, some of the
Speaker 4: Greens kind of I guess political intimidation tactics didn't come
Speaker 4: out like like slashing my my you know, billboards, and
Speaker 4: particularly one instance where you know, in Carlton, it was
Speaker 4: just one slash after another on my face up until
Speaker 4: you know, the point that the residents called the police
Speaker 4: because they were genuinely intimidated. So I just trailblazed through.
Speaker 4: But that's the that's a bit of a taste of
Speaker 4: what we what we saw in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, one of the reasons it's great
Speaker 2: to talk to Steph, great to talk to you, is
Speaker 2: that it's one thing for us to see here look
Speaker 2: down the camera and talk about fight fight, Fightight, you
Speaker 2: guys have actually stood against like in the heart the
Speaker 2: belly of the beast right. And I think in part
Speaker 2: what Steph is saying that I like is when your
Speaker 2: political opponent you can frankly dehumanize or you can turn
Speaker 2: into a caricature. Is one thing when you actually meet
Speaker 2: a candidate, you see a person, you see them multiple
Speaker 2: times where they start to see you for you. No, you,
Speaker 2: of course are not going to turn some hardcore lefty
Speaker 2: into somebody who's going to vote liberal. But there are
Speaker 2: lots of shades in any single community. How important is
Speaker 2: that for those that again are going to sit there
Speaker 2: and sort of you know, bemome in the next three
Speaker 2: years when they're not going to have any of the
Speaker 2: experience that you and stepf are that it.
Speaker 3: Is so important and just for people to see Liberal
Speaker 3: candidates on the ground in areas that you know, traditionally
Speaker 3: we have no chance in. But it's a message that
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party we're not going to give up. We're
Speaker 3: not going to stop fighting for Australians because ultimately this
Speaker 3: isn't about partisan politics. This is about what is in
Speaker 3: the best interests of Australia and that's why we do
Speaker 3: what we do. There was nothing in this for Steph
Speaker 3: when I ran for Balmain, and there was nothing in
Speaker 3: it for me. But we do it because we love
Speaker 3: this country and we want to see it governed.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Steph and Frei, I want to ask both
Speaker 2: of you right where you're the counterculture? Right? The counterculture
Speaker 2: of somebody who's willing to stand up for and identify
Speaker 2: themselves not just as liberal supporter, but somebody wanted to
Speaker 2: be a Liberal member of parliament.
Speaker 1: So again, what drew you to it?
Speaker 2: What made you not just be somebody handing out but
Speaker 2: instead a person who was willing to wear the T
Speaker 2: shirt be a member? And will that passion continue or
Speaker 2: the harrowing experience of running makes you take a little
Speaker 2: time off.
Speaker 4: Steph, great question. Look, I mean I just had to
Speaker 4: do it. I was morally compelled to do this. I
Speaker 4: could have sat on my hands and bided my time
Speaker 4: until the next election, having already run for pre selection
Speaker 4: prior or. I could have stood up and headed towards
Speaker 4: what I believed was the right way forward for Australia,
Speaker 4: and in the youngest electorate in the nation, on the
Speaker 4: basis of the last census data, I saw in you know,
Speaker 4: in Melbourne. I saw in Melbourne an opportunity for us
Speaker 4: to take a different way forward. And for me, it
Speaker 4: was really important the fact that I was actually a
Speaker 4: southyarra A resident. You know, the time I was looking
Speaker 4: at and I still am a Southyara resident, and I
Speaker 4: was looking at how Adam Vance was dividing society, and
Speaker 4: you know, with so many young people that were sort
Speaker 4: of eating their Really, I just thought, this has got
Speaker 4: to the point where somebody has to do something. And
Speaker 4: if you know, if someone with nothing to gain doesn't
Speaker 4: stand up. And I was well qualified. You know, I've
Speaker 4: been practicing law for over a decade, worked for two
Speaker 4: former foreign ministers for half a decade, and I've been
Speaker 4: behind some of the most significant legislation in the nation.
Speaker 4: I either Foreign Relations Act twenty twenty and Magnitski twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one. So I had the runs on the board
Speaker 4: to do this. And when it to Adam Ban, I
Speaker 4: mean I just thought, you're so polarizing and divisive. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you even know what the national interest means.
Speaker 4: So it was I was morally compelled to do it,
Speaker 4: and that's why I stood up. You know, I'm running
Speaker 4: a practice, a law practice. You know, I knew that
Speaker 4: this would you know, take a toll on me as
Speaker 4: well as a thirty something. You know, we're not made
Speaker 4: of money obviously in terms of thirty something. It's like
Speaker 4: we're trying to get ahead and the best way that
Speaker 4: we know how. And for me, you know, big on
Speaker 4: small business, big on you know, my private sector experience
Speaker 4: as well as my public sector experience. I was I
Speaker 4: was actually at a crossroads where I was like, well,
Speaker 4: do I, you know, do I do this and and
Speaker 4: you know, feeling morally compelled to do it, or you know,
Speaker 4: do I just go with my practice and expand into
Speaker 4: international obitration and mediation, which is what I'm specialized to do.
Speaker 4: And I decided that I wasn't going to sit on
Speaker 4: my hands. And I looked at the numbers. I thought
Speaker 4: to myself, this guy, how does he feel so entitled
Speaker 4: to act this way? So polarizing and divisive and you
Speaker 4: know and kind of really making young people feel like
Speaker 4: they're you know, like that everyone owes them, owes them something,
Speaker 4: which really we've got to work hard. That's what That's
Speaker 4: what young people need to know, is we've got to
Speaker 4: work hard and we've actually got to you know, invest
Speaker 4: in the future, and you don't do that by you know,
Speaker 4: a race to the bottom. So that was that was
Speaker 4: clear to me. When I saw that he had forty
Speaker 4: nine point seven percent primary at the last election, I realized,
Speaker 4: we'll hang on. That is zero point three percent off
Speaker 4: winning in his own right. If I don't stand up
Speaker 4: and do something, I mean.
Speaker 1: Even if I don't win, that's it.
Speaker 2: Then he then he may get there if he doesn't
Speaker 2: have somebody confronting him.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: And also again when we talk about that age differences, right,
Speaker 2: remember all the way through the election, I talked about
Speaker 2: over fifty under fifty right in the seat of Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Over fifty is thirty eight under fifty seventy five sounds
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand.
Speaker 1: So to see that Steph was.
Speaker 2: There, Move that needle, Move that needle is really important, Ladies,
Speaker 2: stick about plenty more to talk about here on Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live. Quick break back with more. Thanks for watching.
Speaker 1: I'm loving this.
Speaker 2: Happy warriors were in a second. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for watching his Steph Hunter is a lawyer. She is
Speaker 2: an international negotiator and she tells it like it is,
Speaker 2: which means she's at home here on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: She's the fotball Liberal candidate for the seat of Melbourne
Speaker 2: Frae Leachers with the Mensis Research Center.
Speaker 1: She too, is a happy warrior.
Speaker 2: I'm saying this a lot because I take it from
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage and I want the term to catch on
Speaker 2: and I want people to actually actually get it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about.
Speaker 2: The decisions that have been made today by the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister and about whom he's decided to empower. Again, no
Speaker 2: one normal cares about the faction this and the faction
Speaker 2: that they don't care, right, But essentially some of the
Speaker 2: decisions do seem to be a little bit reflective of
Speaker 2: blindness to former failures and the embracing of a certain
Speaker 2: type of arrogance.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Fray?
Speaker 3: The most shocking decision out of Albanese's cabinet reshuffle was
Speaker 3: the promotion of Michelle Roland to Attorney General after probably
Speaker 3: the most disastrous piece of legislation certainly in the Albanese
Speaker 3: government's term but probably honestly in the last decade. That
Speaker 3: Misinformation Bill was truly shocking.
Speaker 1: And now she's judge of all of all and now.
Speaker 3: She's in charge of everything, and it attracted thousands of submissions,
Speaker 3: mass public outrage. It was a true shocker. And now
Speaker 3: this woman is being put in charge of every piece
Speaker 3: of legislation, she's the chief lawmaker in the country. It
Speaker 3: doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean against Steph this could look. I had
Speaker 2: no doubt She's going to be very capable and all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. She's a very smart person. But literally,
Speaker 2: when you know she went to the matt multiple times
Speaker 2: for or a bill that was going to have some
Speaker 2: level of government declaration of the truth. For that person
Speaker 2: to now be at the heart of the machine, it
Speaker 2: again speaks to me to what I think is a
Speaker 2: blind spot of the government. Again maybe perhaps misinterpreting the
Speaker 2: result of last week, thinking that it's a vindication for
Speaker 2: everything in the past three years.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the Misinformation Bill was not good, to
Speaker 4: say the least. In fact, it was pretty dangerous. So
Speaker 4: I'm going to hold off on further commentary until see
Speaker 4: what she does. But you know, I mean, the communications
Speaker 4: space was an area that I was very interested in,
Speaker 4: and so I was watching that closely. I think obviously
Speaker 4: the Attorney General space is a very serious portfolio and
Speaker 4: I will be watching that.
Speaker 2: And in fairness, with a strong legal career in front
Speaker 2: of you, good to play that card. Good to play
Speaker 2: that card because I don't know if they can take
Speaker 2: the gun and bad job for you. I'm just not
Speaker 2: even a bush lawyer, but myself here on Telly. That said,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about an interesting thing that was
Speaker 2: around today talking about rapid population growth as we were
Speaker 2: with Matt Canavan, which was that Melbourne is on its
Speaker 2: way to being the size of New York. Now, of
Speaker 2: course we're talking about population here. You've got to carry
Speaker 2: the one a couple of times, but still again stiff.
Speaker 2: We're happy for our cities to grow, but if the
Speaker 2: infrastructure goes with it. But also the reality is that
Speaker 2: you've got to go up, not out. And that is
Speaker 2: a great tension between two different types of Australia. How
Speaker 2: would you feel about Melbourne the size of Melbourne but
Speaker 2: having as many people as New York?
Speaker 4: Well, I think Melbourne, honestly, we need to focus on
Speaker 4: being the most livable city in the world. Again, we
Speaker 4: should focus on the basics, safety, affordability and support for
Speaker 4: small businesses. That's what I heard loud and clear on
Speaker 4: the ground, whether it be you know, with small business
Speaker 4: owners or residents. I spoke to thousands and thousands of residents.
Speaker 4: In terms of the population, we are the biggest now Australia.
Speaker 4: I don't think we're getting the basics right. So if
Speaker 4: I were the current member, I would be focusing on
Speaker 4: getting the basics right and I would be talking to
Speaker 4: you know, those in those senior cabinet physicians to be
Speaker 4: looking at population and making sure I'd be dealing with
Speaker 4: local council, State, you know, the state team as well
Speaker 4: and federal to ensure that we have the right critical
Speaker 4: infrastructure as well as other infrastructure and services to support
Speaker 4: the population growth because at the moment, you know, it's
Speaker 4: really heading in one direction, and whether that's just to
Speaker 4: cap the recession, and you know, there's there's a question
Speaker 4: as to migration numbers and whether that should be as
Speaker 4: high as it currently is. Of course, what I would
Speaker 4: say would be, let's go get the basics right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that gets of course, you know, intentionally
Speaker 2: as it was at the last election.
Speaker 1: Frey sadly thirty seconds. But your thoughts you.
Speaker 3: Just can't keep bringing in millions and millions of people
Speaker 3: without building anything. And the problem is the Victorian Labor
Speaker 3: government are probably the most hopeless builders in the country.
Speaker 3: They can't build critical infrastructure to save their life. They
Speaker 3: have billions in costs, blowouts, project delays for years and
Speaker 3: so I think it's irresponsible and reckless of them, and
Speaker 3: they're putting their own interests ahead of those of the
Speaker 3: citizens of Melbourne.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much, ladies. I really do
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Steph again, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 2: on the show. Look forward to seeing you down the
Speaker 2: track if you want to play again. And of course
Speaker 2: freyer Leach, we know you'll be back. Thank you very
Speaker 2: much to both of you. All right now, one more
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