WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 12 May 

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the bright spots of the past few days

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<v Speaker 2>has been that Adam Band no longer part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian political conversation. Well tonight the Liberal woman who helped

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<v Speaker 2>take him down. Her name is Steph Hunt. She ran

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<v Speaker 2>for the Liberal Party in Melbourne. She's a very accomplished

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<v Speaker 2>person and she's one of these new faces.

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<v Speaker 1>That are in and around Australian politics.

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<v Speaker 2>And as always, something we've done over fifteen years of

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<v Speaker 2>this show is introduced you to some new faces, to

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<v Speaker 2>find new friends, to grow the family, and I look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to Steph being part of that tonight. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>all your favorites still part of the family, all still

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<v Speaker 2>very much in what we do. But every now and

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<v Speaker 2>then we're going to introduce you to some new faces.

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<v Speaker 2>And Steph is going to be first cap off the

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<v Speaker 2>ring tonight, and why not. She deserves it after playing

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<v Speaker 2>her role in the demise of Adam Bant. Matt Canavan

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<v Speaker 2>he has not spoken since the decision of his National

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<v Speaker 2>Party colleagues to stick with what they've got in terms.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a leader. He wanted to be that leader.

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<v Speaker 2>He will talk to us tonight and we're off to

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<v Speaker 2>Cans in North Queensland in just a couple of weeks time.

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<v Speaker 2>What a magical part of Australia. This is the photos

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<v Speaker 2>never do it justice. To be there with your own

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<v Speaker 2>eyes is just to be in a form of heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>If you'd like to join us in Cans for Our Town,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty fifth, email Ourtown. It's gynews dot com dot you.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a big, big space and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>fill it with as many locals who watch this show

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<v Speaker 1>Ourtown. It's Gynews dot com dot Au.

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<v Speaker 2>Now some big news that is going to affect a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people around the world, at least for the

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<v Speaker 2>next ninety days. In fact, it's close to breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>because we know that Donald Trump one of his ideas

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<v Speaker 2>about how to make sure that America is great again

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<v Speaker 2>but also to stabilize the world is to introduce tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now virtually every country, including ours, got a ten percent tariff.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also know that all of this was really

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<v Speaker 2>about a fight with China. Now we know that the

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<v Speaker 2>stock markets, well they went particularly crazy after all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things had been first announced, but I continue. The

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<v Speaker 2>breaking news tonight is that China and the United States

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<v Speaker 2>have agreed to not ramp up tariffs on each other.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, a ten percent tariff for most things coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of China will be the same as the tariff

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<v Speaker 2>paid by a country like Australia. Now the US and

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<v Speaker 2>China have done this deal, it'll be for the next

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<v Speaker 2>ninety days. And the Wall Street Journal, both in their

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<v Speaker 2>own copy and republished in Australia in the Australian newspaper,

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<v Speaker 2>says this that the US and China have said on

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<v Speaker 2>Monday that they agreed to suspend most of the tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>on each other's goods while further trade negotiations continue. But

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<v Speaker 2>simply we're now sitting in a ninety day period where

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's starting to stand down.

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<v Speaker 1>The US said that.

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<v Speaker 2>It would lower its reciprocal tariff on Chinese goods from

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty five percent back down to ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>China has said that it will do the same, back

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<v Speaker 2>down to ten percent from the one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent u of tara. US tariffs, however, remain on

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<v Speaker 2>things like fentanyl and other measures, so it's not everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Down to ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically all of that electronics, all of the global

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<v Speaker 2>supply chain stuff that was going to make prices much

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive in places like America and presumably a flow

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<v Speaker 2>on to places like US. But the two countries say

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<v Speaker 2>that they will establish a mechanism to continue discussions about

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<v Speaker 2>economic and trade relations, meaning it won't be president to president,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll continue being effectively minister to minister. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>very big news for the global economy and for those

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<v Speaker 2>who'd like to pay attention to the stock market, I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you that the futures market, when the market

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<v Speaker 2>opens in just a couple of hours time, is now

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at forty two thousand. Now that's really important because

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<v Speaker 2>that number is even better than the number or very

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<v Speaker 2>close to the number when things started to fall through

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<v Speaker 2>the floor. The stock market will not be back where

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<v Speaker 2>it was, say around February or December. That's up to

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<v Speaker 2>forty four thousand, but remember it was dipping down to

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<v Speaker 2>what about thirty eight thousand, and we remember the very

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<v Speaker 2>calm reaction the Australian media.

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<v Speaker 1>Had to Australia's stock market reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>Tariffs tariffs tariffs are tariffs, tariffs, tariff terriffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Tariffs are tariffs, tariffs.

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<v Speaker 4>Tariff tariff, tariff, tariffs tariff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you would recall the great setting on.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire of many people's hair, and yes, it became an

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<v Speaker 2>important moment, in fact, one of the most important moments

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<v Speaker 2>in and around the campaign. But something you haven't heard

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<v Speaker 2>on the six pm news, something you don't read about

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those people who were very interested when

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<v Speaker 2>the market went down, is that, firstly, the American market

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be on its way back up and the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian market is actually higher than where it was when

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<v Speaker 2>the panic set in. Now, yes, there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>people who get very concerned about what happens on any

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<v Speaker 2>one day in the stock market, but the reality is,

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone who's really in the stock market, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>even about week to week, it's not even about month

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<v Speaker 2>to month. It's about year to year. And if we

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<v Speaker 2>can see again where the stock market has been, you

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<v Speaker 2>can see the dip at eight thousand points has now

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<v Speaker 2>been replaced by the performance that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now three hundred points higher.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian stock market is higher than the day before

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<v Speaker 2>things started to go crazy. In fact, you can start

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<v Speaker 2>to roll back that we're talking about more like March,

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<v Speaker 2>not what was happening in and around April. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 2>this did concern an awful lot of people. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the stock market in particular that forced a very important

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<v Speaker 2>group of voters to start to move from the coalition

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<v Speaker 2>to labor.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't it interesting all the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Coverage of the panic in order to help get the

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<v Speaker 2>political result? But where then, when all of those losses

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<v Speaker 2>have been wiped out and now they are starting to

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<v Speaker 2>go back above those numbers. Nothing to see here or

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<v Speaker 2>somehow it's all Jim Chalmer's great work. And there's good Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>there's bad Trump. There's decisions he makes that are fantastic,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are ones that all of us will WinCE at,

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<v Speaker 2>even those of us who support the president. But as

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<v Speaker 2>I have said to anyone who will listen since November

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<v Speaker 2>last year, forget the panic. Wait a week, or in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, just wait a few weeks, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>can start to see what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happens in the next ninety days,

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<v Speaker 2>but if a stock market is rolling back to before

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<v Speaker 2>the panic, and in the American market is probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to surge way past where the dip was then who

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<v Speaker 2>are the people who really were setting their hair on fire?

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<v Speaker 2>People actually losing money, people making money off huge amounts

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<v Speaker 2>of stock trades, or people who wanted to ram home

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<v Speaker 2>a political point in service of the election result that

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted, of course to So that would be a

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<v Speaker 2>So the Prime Minister has been juggling egos, most importantly

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<v Speaker 2>his own.

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<v Speaker 1>But everyone must know he is all all amazing. It

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<v Speaker 1>will rule for the next four hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because upon getting a third of the vote and

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<v Speaker 2>another third in preferences, he of course has more than

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seats in the Parliament. Today, as you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>announced a whole collection of new ministers. Who are the

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<v Speaker 2>old ministers moving to new portfolios?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Who cares? Who's the winners and losers? But some

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<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Significant movements here are worth noting. Michelle Rowland who when

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<v Speaker 2>she was the Communications Minister, remember wanting to censor the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet to decide what was truth and not truth and

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<v Speaker 2>the government would make the decision. Well, she's now the

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General of the country in charge of put simply

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<v Speaker 2>the chief law officer of our country and how the

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<v Speaker 2>system works. Tony Burke, who of course moved into the

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<v Speaker 2>Home Affairs portfolio after clueless Claire O'Neill and that idiot

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Giles did the damage that they did. Well, guess

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<v Speaker 2>what he of course wouldn't call out hate preachers because

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<v Speaker 2>that would be inconvenient to his own political process. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what one of his responsibilities are now going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in Home Affairs. He's now going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of the Australian Federal Police and ASIO, both of

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<v Speaker 2>which would have a significant role looking into hate preachers.

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<v Speaker 2>Elections have consequences people. We will live with them for

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<v Speaker 2>many years to come. Also those that have been moving

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<v Speaker 2>around aged care. Difficult issue for any politician to get

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<v Speaker 2>their head around, but one where some politicians don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to really get their hands dirty. So we've changed the

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<v Speaker 2>letterhead and we've got this new body, and this new

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<v Speaker 2>body's going to do all the work. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for anything. But I tell you the person with

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<v Speaker 2>the widest smile, the widest smile because they have got

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<v Speaker 2>one heck of a promotion is Anika Wells, who replaced

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Swann as the Labor member for Lily. She's, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who considers herself to be quite the girl boss,

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<v Speaker 2>but more importantly just amazing on social media. She's down

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<v Speaker 2>with the kids, and she's not at all patronizing when

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<v Speaker 2>she compares the federal budget to a math's dinner party

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<v Speaker 2>like a mass.

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<v Speaker 1>Did a party.

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<v Speaker 6>This budgetweek has been filled with drama and intrigue. So

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<v Speaker 6>welcome to policy as pop culture, your pre election guide.

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<v Speaker 5>To the big issues.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, it's been a busy week budget on Tuesday, last

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<v Speaker 6>night's final din a.

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<v Speaker 2>Party on Mass perfect example about these sort of labor

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<v Speaker 2>star with zero connections to the world of small business.

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<v Speaker 2>And didn't she prove that when she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>ram home while she believed to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>problems with the Liberal parties policy which suggested that if

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<v Speaker 2>you are a small business that you would be able

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<v Speaker 2>to write off on your tax taking out your staff

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<v Speaker 2>or a client for lunch. This is the rule, of

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<v Speaker 2>course with big business and big banks and big unions.

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<v Speaker 2>But god forbid if you, the ABN holder, would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to have the same tax break that a bank has.

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<v Speaker 2>Here was a pretty arrogant performance, one that of course

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<v Speaker 2>was rewarded by the media and went down like a

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<v Speaker 2>treat on social media, where she liked to pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>the average small business in Australia has enough money lying

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<v Speaker 2>around that they could take whoever they wanted to the

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<v Speaker 2>super Bowl, the grand final of American football in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, and claimant on tax according.

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<v Speaker 6>To the coalition's publicly defined parameters of their own policy,

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<v Speaker 6>business could spand up to twenty thousand dollars of Elizabeth's

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<v Speaker 6>own taxpayer funds to attend something like, for example, the

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<v Speaker 6>Super Bowl, to lather themselves in buffalo wings and babyback rips,

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<v Speaker 6>notdding along to Kendrick Lamar.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, one of the things that's really important to notice

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<v Speaker 2>about people who have incredible ambition, and every single member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Parliament wants to be the leader one day,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what party they are sitting in, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of them who say otherwise, please this might be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a look around the corner into future

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<v Speaker 2>generations of the type of person who will be rewarded

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<v Speaker 2>by the Labor Party, because you see, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>smartest things that Anthony Albanezi did when he was a

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<v Speaker 2>government minister or in opposition was to never have a

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<v Speaker 2>portfolio that really ever had to.

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<v Speaker 1>Deliver bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>This means that you're able to build up a caricaturer

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself. And of course there's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>enemies in the closet in terms of with the decisions

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<v Speaker 2>that have been made. Now, Anika Wells is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get her hands dirty anymore when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>aged care. That's off to somebody else. So she has

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<v Speaker 2>a superministry. That is the ministry every politician would dream of.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the Sports Minister in Australia and they've also announced

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<v Speaker 2>today that she will be in charge of the media. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to being the sports minister, you get

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<v Speaker 2>to go to all of the big major sporting events

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<v Speaker 2>around the country and you get to go for free.

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<v Speaker 2>Here she is in two thousand and two in the

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<v Speaker 2>birdcage at the Melbourne Cup, when, of course she was

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<v Speaker 2>told by Anthony Abernezi at the time, don't do it

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<v Speaker 2>because it gives off a bad look.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does she care.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the sportsman and I have to be there in

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<v Speaker 2>the birdcage.

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<v Speaker 1>This job is also.

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<v Speaker 2>One that pays many hundreds of thousands of dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>comes with it an.

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<v Speaker 1>Awful lot of free tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I can scroll up on the TV for

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<v Speaker 2>you right now, all of the different things that she

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<v Speaker 2>has declared on her registry of gifts, like corporate tickets

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<v Speaker 2>to the NRL, the AFL, the women's basketball tournaments, the

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<v Speaker 2>tickets to the Prime Minister's eleven, also the NFL, the

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<v Speaker 2>ARL FEB. There's also the as I say, women's basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the Brisbane Lyons, there's the AFL Finals. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>ticket donated by the Guardian for her to attend the

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<v Speaker 2>Midwinter Ball where all of the media gets to play

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<v Speaker 2>with all the politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it a great system?

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<v Speaker 2>Plus a couple of corporate tickets for her, plus one

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<v Speaker 2>to not one, but two State of Origin games. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's the list that Anika Wells has put out

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<v Speaker 2>there of what she is completely legally entitled to. But

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<v Speaker 2>why she's the happiest lady in the Cabinet because this

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<v Speaker 2>is some of the travel and hospitality that she has

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<v Speaker 2>received since becoming a minister. She's gone to the Sale GP,

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Tennis Open, She's gone to the McGrath Foundations

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<v Speaker 2>Pink Test in Sydney. She's also multiple times gone to

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<v Speaker 2>multiple cricket events in fact, in fact, it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>long list. The AFLW preliminary Final. She's been to the

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<v Speaker 2>dally M Awards, She's been to the Brown Low, She's

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<v Speaker 2>been to the Live Golf. She's even been to Motorsport

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's President's Dinner. She's been to the Formula One, She's

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<v Speaker 2>been to Taylor Swift and so on and so on

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. Why because, of course the Sports Minister

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<v Speaker 2>has to be there and all of the sporting organizations

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<v Speaker 2>are more than happy for her to get the freebee.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because they wouldn't want to upset the dear person

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<v Speaker 2>who could be in charge of regulating things in and

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<v Speaker 2>around sport. Well, she gets an extra job. No longer

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<v Speaker 2>having to worry about age care. She is now the

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<v Speaker 2>Communications Minister. As the Communications Minister, she is now in

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<v Speaker 2>full control of the regulatory environment around radio, television, newspapers online.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, she'll probably find some way to make it

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<v Speaker 2>harder for me to do my job because I point

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<v Speaker 2>out everything I just did. But if you're the Sports

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<v Speaker 2>Minister and you can go to all the sport in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia for free, and you're the Communications Minister and nobody

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<v Speaker 2>in the media will bag you, then you are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the happiest person in the cabinet, a person

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<v Speaker 2>who in fifty five years, when the Prime Minister decides

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<v Speaker 2>to move on, keep an eye on her, or she

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<v Speaker 2>will move up the chain. She doesn't like criticism, she

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<v Speaker 2>can't stand what I've just shown you. She'll girl boss

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<v Speaker 2>something and passive aggressively do something on social media, no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt in the next little while. But the reality is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a person who is now in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>the free speech that our nation is able to have

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<v Speaker 2>or not have yet when it comes to her own

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<v Speaker 2>constituents on her own Facebook page, if you're a critic

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<v Speaker 2>blocked of course power bills. What the Prime Minister did

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<v Speaker 2>make that foolish remark? Didn't he three years ago that

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<v Speaker 2>power bills would fall? And then, as we showed you

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<v Speaker 2>during the election campaign, it wasn't dumb enough to make

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<v Speaker 2>that promise again. So guess who stays exactly where they are?

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<v Speaker 2>The bloke with the responsibility for bringing power prices down, who,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, will just spend billions of dollars off budget

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to achieve what they all want to achieve,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to make themselves look better at an international

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<v Speaker 2>climate conference, which, according to labor activists, could push Australia

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<v Speaker 2>towards a seventy five percent reduction in emissions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's currently forty three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and not by twenty fifty in twenty thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when the Prime Minister was all out of sorts

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<v Speaker 2>when Peter Dutton was asked a question by Kyle and Jackie. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a policy announcement, he was just asked a

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<v Speaker 2>question by Colin JACKIEO would you prefer to live in

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<v Speaker 2>the Lodge? Oruld you prefer to live at Curabilly And

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<v Speaker 2>being on a Sydney radio show, yes, also heard in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>no offense Kyle. He answered that yeah, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>live at Curriabilly House. Well, that was immediately run up

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<v Speaker 2>the flag pile and turned into the outrage of the

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<v Speaker 2>day when we weren't Parliament panicking about a stock market, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way has completely recovered that the alternative prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister was measuring the curtains. He was too up himself

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<v Speaker 2>by even having an opinion about which house that he

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<v Speaker 2>would live in, be it the Lodge or be it

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<v Speaker 2>Kirabilly House. Well, how would the Prime Minister describe himself

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<v Speaker 2>the day before the federal election when he was already

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<v Speaker 2>starting to plan for a third term of his own government.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not just measuring the curtains. He's got the curtains

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<v Speaker 2>and he can refurbish them whenever he wants. Similarly, Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Chan says that he needs.

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<v Speaker 1>At least another two terms.

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<v Speaker 2>So three terms in government to fix the Australian economy. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to know whether when the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of his cabinet are sworn in tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>at Government House, will he make the full conversion to

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<v Speaker 2>the deep and committed Christian that we know he is,

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<v Speaker 2>because in twenty twenty two he took the oath of Affirmation,

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<v Speaker 2>which was not swearing to God. He did not hold

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible to be sworn in by. Now that's fine

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<v Speaker 2>as a person not a faith I don't care whether

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<v Speaker 2>you do or you don't. But this is the guy who,

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<v Speaker 2>of course was desperate to follow up on the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Party review into why in part they failed in the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen election, which was to say, communities of faith

0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.040
<v Speaker 2>have lost faith in the Labor Party. So even though

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<v Speaker 2>the actual rubber hitting the road was I once swear

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<v Speaker 2>on a Bible when it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Easter Sunday. There he was in the front row,

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<v Speaker 1>not campaigning.

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<v Speaker 2>Not campaigning of course when the Pope died as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll find out exactly what he'll do tomorrow when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to swearing in.

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<v Speaker 1>What will have changed in three years.

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<v Speaker 2>If he decides to pick up the Bible, What new

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<v Speaker 2>confidence does he have in faith that he's willing to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, or will he do the secular thing because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to upset all of the other or

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<v Speaker 2>the non faiths. And also when we talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>arrogance of measuring the curtains, the bloke who's now got

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<v Speaker 2>more than ninety seats in the Federal Parliament, who does

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<v Speaker 2>honestly believe that there is no scandal that will cause

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<v Speaker 2>him trouble, no opposition who will start to peg him

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<v Speaker 2>back anytime in the next three, six or even nine years.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess who's coming back? Well, Anthony Aberezi didn't go to

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<v Speaker 2>NATO because he wanted to be in Australia. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be criticized for going overseas because you see there,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that term that we had, Oh that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>airbus albow wasn't just something said here by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a cartoon on top of the article written

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<v Speaker 2>by Mark Riley, the guy who of course moderated the

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<v Speaker 2>debate for Channel seven. That's right, airbus albow. Well, guess

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.119
<v Speaker 2>what's back airbus albow, Because not only is he off

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<v Speaker 2>to Indonesia in the next few days, he will then

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<v Speaker 2>of course do his solemn duty as a committed person

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to faith that he will be there

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<v Speaker 2>for the inauguration of the Pope, and then he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a few other flights booked.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, after swearing in his ministry tomorrow, the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 7>heads to Indonesia on Wednesday. Is also confirmed. He'll then

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<v Speaker 7>go from Jakarta to Rome for the inauguration mass of

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<v Speaker 7>Pope Leo. As a Catholic, there is significance for the

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<v Speaker 7>Prime Minister, but also opportunity to meet with European leaders

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<v Speaker 7>as the Australia EU free trade talks resume in the

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<v Speaker 7>wake of Donald Trump's tariffs. The Prime Minister has likely

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<v Speaker 7>trips to Asian in Malaysia and the G seven summit

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<v Speaker 7>in Canada, all in the coming weeks. It means he'll

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<v Speaker 7>be trotting the globe as the new Liberal leader, whoever

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<v Speaker 7>it is, gets their feet under.

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<v Speaker 2>The desk, airbus, albow back and ruin because he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>he is now untouchable, and he may will be, But

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<v Speaker 2>as long as we remain a free speech country, we

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to criticize him, unless, of course, the

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<v Speaker 2>new Minister for Communications finds a new and creative way

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do what the previous one and

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<v Speaker 2>the previous Prime minister in this current Prime ministery is

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.480
<v Speaker 2>last and wanted to do, which was of course, to

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<v Speaker 2>define what the truth is, to censor criticism conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Now tomorrow the Liberal Party will make its choice about

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<v Speaker 2>whom is going to be its next leader. Both Akus

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor and Susan Lee both believe they've got the numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>but in a much smaller party room, who knows what

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers are. As Dave Sharma told us today on

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it is a close contest, and I think

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<v Speaker 7>both candidates have strong claims and credentials.

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<v Speaker 2>But the media not willing to get this one wrong. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course somebody will end up having more votes than

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<v Speaker 2>the other. What's the official line tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>The Liberals will vote on a new opposition leader tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>The contest between Susan Lee and Angus Taylor.

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<v Speaker 6>Ted tomorrow it's the Liberals turn to resolve what's expected

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<v Speaker 6>to be a tight leadership contest.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, regardless of whom they choose, let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what the criticism of them will be straight

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<v Speaker 2>out of the gate by the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if it's Susan Lee, well you were the

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<v Speaker 2>deputy to Peter Dutton, meaning you are now the new

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton. I'm not entirely sure how they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make her the new Trump, but we'll all find out

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<v Speaker 2>over the next couple of weeks or so. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>stock market's back from where it was, don't tell anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, if it's Angus Taylor, we already know this

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 2>whole army of people on x or Twitter as they

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<v Speaker 2>preferred to call it way back when with the little

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<v Speaker 2>water drops will be about water investments. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to this enterprise, well, she must be

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<v Speaker 2>punished for leading the case against what many of the

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<v Speaker 2>elites who now say the Liberal Party has no future

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>and offer free advice to the Liberal Party that they

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 2>never would have voted for. She will, of course must

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 2>be punished because she, of course denied them. Now they'll

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 2>try to make a lot out of things like her

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<v Speaker 2>travel compared to somebody an MP who lives in the act.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember when you hear and read all of these stories,

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<v Speaker 2>she lives in Alice Springs, where I'm pretty sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>no direct flights to Canberra. In fact, to make a

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<v Speaker 2>flight to make a meeting in Canberra, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>either flight at Brisbane or Darwin or maybe Sidney the

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<v Speaker 2>night before before turning around and making your way towards Camberra.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that before conspiracy there you don't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Tim Wilson, the Teal slayer out of the

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<v Speaker 2>seat of Goldstein, he is not going to be putting

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<v Speaker 2>himself forward as leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem with this guy. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that he's shadow treasurer or shadow finance or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>because the work what he did on frankin Credits a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago excellent. But he's certainly somebody who is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be very very media friendly. As a young

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 2>man trying to find my place in the world, I

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 2>realized the Liberal Party was the place for me. The

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 2>relationship has been complicated, but it's been the right one.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been a conservative nor a moderate. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been a liberal with a very liberal conviction, just you know,

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the type of language that every person in the street

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<v Speaker 2>would completely understand.

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<v Speaker 1>But good luck to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Look forward to a conversation should he take our phone

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<v Speaker 2>calls which was slightly different than anyway, if he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to take our phone calls at any time, welcome to

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 2>discuss anything on this show. But as for the Nationals,

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 2>they made their decision today and it was to stick

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<v Speaker 2>with David Little Proud. Matt Canavan did put his hand

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<v Speaker 2>up today, did suggest that there was a different way,

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>but they've decided no, let's double down. And the man

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<v Speaker 2>joining us right now in Canberra is the wonderful Matt Canavan. Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>nice to see you mate. What did it feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you did or didn't know the numbers were,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you saw a moment where this boy from

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland had a chance to step up in national leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that moment like before you even knew what

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<v Speaker 2>the result was.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Paul, it.

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<v Speaker 8>Was just very humbling to receive the support of thousands

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 8>of Australians has really been an outpouring. I think something

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 8>like eleven thousand Australians sent emails over the weekend, had

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<v Speaker 8>enormous support on social media, had people just random people

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 8>generating content and support of me. And that's just very

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 8>humbling to have people support you. To certainly put the

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 8>fire back in my belly to get cracking on this. Yeah, look,

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 8>I just didn't think we had enough to fight for

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 8>in the election campaign and I've got through that, but

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 8>I don't think we gave a real choice to the

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 8>austrain people. Over the past five days, I've got that

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 8>fireback that we can do some things differently. We can

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<v Speaker 8>fight for what we truly believe, and we can fight

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<v Speaker 8>for a better future for our country. The problem we

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<v Speaker 8>really had as I've gone through this, I've really clarified

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<v Speaker 8>my thinking, Paul, on what has gone wrong. If you like,

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<v Speaker 8>the problem of the election was that we told everybody

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 8>that the world has gone to hell, your life is rubbish,

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 8>everything's costing more, but we're not going to propose any

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 8>radical changes to fix it. Correct Now, those two things

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.959
<v Speaker 8>don't add up. You can't say, yeah, albenez he's done

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 8>all these terrible things, but they're not proposed of solutions

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 8>that would actually fix those terrible things, and I've at

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 8>least put forward a platform that I think would help

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.120
<v Speaker 8>us square that circle and say that, look, let's get

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 8>rid of all these ridiculous green schemes that are costing

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 8>a fortune. On the government's own research, net zero would

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.399
<v Speaker 8>cost nine trillion dollars to get to by twenty fifty.

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 8>We don't have nine trillion dollars. People don't have nine

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 8>trillion dollars. And it's about time we put the Australian

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.920
<v Speaker 8>people first. So I'll keep fighting for that. I may

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 8>have lost the battle today, but the war against this

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 8>net zero madness is not over.

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<v Speaker 5>I welcome the.

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<v Speaker 8>Fact that the newly elected, re elected leader David little

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 8>Brad has said today that he's open to reviewing that

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<v Speaker 8>had zero policy. So if you'd like to see then

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 8>net zero policy scrapped. If your viewers are like it scrapped,

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 8>get onto David little Prad, get onto your local member

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 8>of Parliament the Nationals Party, and tell them to get

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 8>rid of this madness and actually put up a fight

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 8>for our country.

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<v Speaker 2>So, after considering leadership and contesting leadership, and we know

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>how involved in the fight that you are, and as

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<v Speaker 2>clearly as you can define things. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>try to serve in the shadow ministry? Is that a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation you've had with David Little Proud, Because it would

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>seem obvious to me that if you're a person who

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<v Speaker 2>many of us will consider a leading light, that you've

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>got to be in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I haven't had that conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>My position hasn't changed that I will not serve in

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<v Speaker 8>a ministry that supports policy of zero emissions because I

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<v Speaker 8>want to keep taking up the fight in the battle

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 8>against that. I've been doing that ever since we adopted

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 8>this ridiculous proposal a few years ago. There's never been

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 8>a plan to achieve it, never been a proper outline

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<v Speaker 8>of what's going to happen. And you should now a

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 8>set of binding target like this with no flexibility when

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 8>you don't really know how are you going to get there?

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 8>So look, I'll just keep fighting against that. Who knows

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 8>what happens. I say, David has opened the window today

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 8>about need zero being on the or least on the

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 8>review table, so let's see what happens there.

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 5>We don't have a coalition agreement with the Liberal.

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 8>Party either yet, so I have no idea what the

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 8>situation will be with a shadow ministry, so all of

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 8>those questions of the future. But I won't stop fighting, Paul.

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 8>This has never been about me being leader or trying

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<v Speaker 8>to change the leadership sorry of the National's Party. Even

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 8>It's actually been about changing the policy. That's why I

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 8>put up this fight, and I think we've made progress

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 8>on that in the last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I said this POLITI to all National Party in

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>pies or members, right, is it the tale that wags

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the dog or is it the dog that wags the tail?

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And we know that the Liberal Party makes its choice

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and under the coalition agreement. Essentially, obviously, while you're

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>your own political identity, with its own machine and a

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>very good record of being able to hold on to

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 2>its seats, you are somewhat defined at times by what

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party does and what it chooses. Now you've

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>heard everything in the past seven days, from get rid

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>of nuclear to quotas for this, quotas for that, ditch this,

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>change this, rename everything, change the logo. You're a member

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>of the NATS, which means you don't have a say

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 2>in the way the Liberal Party goes, but you're obviously

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 2>interested in how the head of the horse goes here,

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>don't you.

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<v Speaker 5>Not?

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<v Speaker 8>Really, I've got so much I've got so much band

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 8>with Paul. I've had a big day focused on my party.

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 5>Out. I'm vaguely aware.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 8>There's something going on in the other room, but look,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 8>I yeah, I just don't have a mental capacity to

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 8>think too hard about their problem that. Look, there's a

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 8>lot of lot to do for us. There's a long

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 8>way back here. I'm firmly of the view that we

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 8>can win the next election, but I don't think we'll

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 8>have a fighting chance unless we've up a fight. So, however,

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 8>the Liberal Party picked tomorrow, I hope well gird ourselves

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 8>for that battle, to not be shy about standing up

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 8>for what we believe in, to keep our focus duly square,

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 8>square and duly focused on the interests of the Australian people.

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 8>You know one thing I've got a bit sick and

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 8>tired of since the election Paul is everybody talking about

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 8>their values and principles of free markets and liberty and

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 8>all this stuff. It's all great, it all sounds fantastic,

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 8>but my experience over the last ten years here is

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 8>people don't always act in tune with that flowery language

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 8>that gets trotted out after defeats like this, And I

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 8>just want us to focus on action. We're here to act,

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 8>We're here to do things, not write philosophical tree tisers.

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 8>So let's think very hard about what we can do

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 8>tangibly do to benefit the Australian people. Whether it's to

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 8>get back to producing energy with all of Australia's energy resources,

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 8>it's not just exporting it to our competitors so they

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 8>can take more of our jobs from us. Things like that.

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 8>Maybe we should get back to building dams. Where's that

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 8>gone from the conversation? Why are we building more dams?

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 8>We built the rookerd Weir in central Queensland under the

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 8>last Coestion government.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 5>It's going great guns. Let's do more of that.

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 8>Why do I Why don't we have a real focus

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 8>on lifting the birth rate. It's a shocking statistic at

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 8>the moment, with only one and a half babies per woman.

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 8>That means the math on That means Paul that for

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 8>every hundred Australians alive today, there will only be forty

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 8>great grandchildren descended from them in three generations, just forty

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 8>from one hundred, and our population will decrease from twenty

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 8>seven million to just eleven million people descended from the

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 8>Australians alive today in three generations unless we lift the

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 8>birth rate from one point five babies per woman.

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, and we know that that number that everyone looks

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to is forty four median people, forty four million people

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>by the twenty sixty. So do the maths on as

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you say, the descendants of it.

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 5>The rest have to be from somewhere else and get.

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Correct, right, and then of course the Ponzi scheme in

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and around all of that last question here, right, Because

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>again I love talking to you. I look forward to

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.239
<v Speaker 2>our chats each and every Monday night. I'll obviously talk

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>to your fair but I assume those can continue. But

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to say this, right, which is I remember

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>when we were talking about the voice, both on air

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>and Orfair, right, and I'd showed you this pole, and

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>we'd mentioned this in this and I remember always just saying, look,

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't care, believe in what you believe in, and

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>essentially swing for the fences on.

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Behalf of what you actually believe in.

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>How important is that while people are again turning themselves

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in knots imagining what three years, six years, nine years,

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>looks like from now, do you agree it's time to

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.719
<v Speaker 2>swing for the fences. Back it up with all the

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>smarts and the way to sell something.

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>But if you're going to go for change, go for change.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, what have we got to lose. We've had

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 8>the most crushing, worst defeat since the Second World War.

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 8>That's why I was voting or trying to generate change today.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 8>What we did last time, I'd argue, what we'd have

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 8>done the last couple of elections hasn't work. So what

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 8>do we got to lose? Let's do something different. At

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 8>least I have bloody fun if we argue for things

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 8>we believe in. And courage is contagious, right, and it is.

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 8>There is something about having fun too. I mean it's trying,

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 8>but I have had a lot of fun the last

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 8>five days arguing for what I believe in, and with

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 8>all these we actually call them dark Nats, Paul, the

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 8>Darkknats groups online creating all this wonderful content.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 5>That's been a huge amount of fun.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 8>And it's interesting when you're with a group of people,

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 8>with a band of brothers and sisters having fun, you

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 8>know you're more motivated you're energized, and guess what more,

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 8>people are probably likely to be convinced that you're got

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 8>their best interest at heart if you really have conviction

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 8>and you show that you're having fun doing it. And

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 8>I just think, look that the election campaign wasn't a

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 8>lot of fun because we didn't really push for significant

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 8>change which we genuinely believe with great conviction that would

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 8>be better for the Istral people.

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<v Speaker 1>Except of course when you were joining me at seagulls

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and tweeteits. I know that was fun for you as well.

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Matte.

0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>We love you mate.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm really proud of you today. Good on you for

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 2>stepping up and always swing for the fences. Look forward

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>to seeing you next week mate.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 5>Thanks mate.

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 2>How good is he Matt Canavan of course, senator from

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Coins then good on him for ste stepping up today

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and you agree with what he's just had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Some minima Paul at skynews dot com dot you all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick break back with more, including the lady who played

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>her part and it was a massive part in getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of Adam Bands a new face to pull Mariray

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<v Speaker 2>live in a moment along with the wonderful Frayer Leech, honesty,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for watching. You know, I don't

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>like happy talk, but I like happy people. Freyer Leech

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is one of those, and we love having her as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the family here at Port Murray Live and

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Sky News and a new face here. Steph Hunt is

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>her name. She's a lawyer, she's got her own legal practice.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>She's done incredible things in Melbourne, and she ran for

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party in Melbourne, and of course that Liberal

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>vote and the preferences were the reason Adam Bant is

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>no longer part of the fun. Frayer, love you to

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>see you, Steph, love you to meet you. I've been

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>following you on Instagram and I've loved all your enthusiasm

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>for the past few weeks. How do you feel knowing

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that band is gone?

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Relieved? Very so tell me arabel I believed. I mean

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 4>it was a massive effort.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, you go.

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we've got a little satellite delay here, so just

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>power on. So give me an idea. Why did you

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 2>get in the race?

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Why did you want him gone?

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<v Speaker 4>Look? I just formed the view sometime last year, probably

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 4>around May, that he was no longer in the national interest,

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't acting in the national interest and it was

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 4>actually in the national interest to get rid of him.

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 4>So I put my hand up and I got endorsed

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 4>as the Liberal candidate for the seat of Melbourne in

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 4>July last year, and I ran a really hard, long

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 4>campaign for nine months to unseat him basically, and it

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 4>got to the point for me where, you know, I

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 4>whether it was me or Sarah, and ultimately it was Sarah.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 4>I just I thought made the best woman win.

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<v Speaker 2>What sort of dirty technics did the Greens play along

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the way, because I have no doubt every opportunity you

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 2>had to go to a public forum, it was all

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, boos and hisses and all the passive aggressive

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>this and that. But give me an idea about the

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>incoming and how did you turn that away? Because you

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>kept a very very happy face and a happy warrior

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>is the type of person that I want to see moral.

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks Paul, that means a lot. Look, it was

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 4>pretty grueling, especially the start. I had people yelling, even

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 4>when I was just doing door knocking in say Fitzroy

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 4>for example, last year, I had people, you know, one

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 4>of the most harrowing sort of instances was when a

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 4>guy was walking with a Pram and he yelled out,

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 4>get out of our neighborhood. You're in the wrong area,

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, as a liberal. And I said, well, actually

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 4>it's don't you think it's good for democracy that you

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 4>get a choice of who you can vote for? And

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 4>he said democracy. Excuse the language. You might be able

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 4>to beat that out.

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll get it in post. Yeah, we'll get it in

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>post rocket roll.

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 4>Anyways, basically I did not expect that. I did not

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 4>expect that. I was like quite taken aback there I am,

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, doing doing what I believe is definitely in

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 4>their democratic interest to know, you know, the other side

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 4>of the equation, you know, when you've got the Greens

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 4>leader who pits the haves against the have nots and

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 4>makes you know, so many young people believe that genuinely

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 4>you know that they've got it tougher, not because of

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 4>the actual leader of the Greens who's been the one

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 4>that's deserted everyone in Melbourne for so long, but for

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 4>f other forces. And it's just so divisive and polarizing

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 4>that that's why when I started running, I had people,

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, really giving it to me and they're throwing

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 4>it back. Was the stories on Instagram tagging me you know,

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 4>how dare she come knock on my door? You know, well, yeah,

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean I did, and you know what, actually months in,

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 4>right up until early voting, I did notice a change

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 4>and people were way more respectful. You know. I had

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 4>those ads out there to show that I was listening

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 4>and I had heard them when you know, all the

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 4>residents were talking about you know, they wanted safety, affordability

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 4>and support for small business. So there was definitely a change.

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 4>But that didn't mean that, you know, some of the

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 4>Greens kind of I guess political intimidation tactics didn't come

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 4>out like like slashing my my you know, billboards, and

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 4>particularly one instance where you know, in Carlton, it was

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 4>just one slash after another on my face up until

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, the point that the residents called the police

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 4>because they were genuinely intimidated. So I just trailblazed through.

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 4>But that's the that's a bit of a taste of

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:44.800
<v Speaker 4>what we what we saw in Melbourne.

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean again, one of the reasons it's great

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to talk to Steph, great to talk to you, is

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 2>that it's one thing for us to see here look

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>down the camera and talk about fight fight, Fightight, you

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>guys have actually stood against like in the heart the

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 2>belly of the beast right. And I think in part

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 2>what Steph is saying that I like is when your

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.919
<v Speaker 2>political opponent you can frankly dehumanize or you can turn

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 2>into a caricature. Is one thing when you actually meet

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.840
<v Speaker 2>a candidate, you see a person, you see them multiple

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>times where they start to see you for you. No, you,

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of course are not going to turn some hardcore lefty

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 2>into somebody who's going to vote liberal. But there are

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>lots of shades in any single community. How important is

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>that for those that again are going to sit there

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and sort of you know, bemome in the next three

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 2>years when they're not going to have any of the

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 2>experience that you and stepf are that it.

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Is so important and just for people to see Liberal

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 3>candidates on the ground in areas that you know, traditionally

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 3>we have no chance in. But it's a message that

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 3>the Liberal Party we're not going to give up. We're

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 3>not going to stop fighting for Australians because ultimately this

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 3>isn't about partisan politics. This is about what is in

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 3>the best interests of Australia and that's why we do

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 3>what we do. There was nothing in this for Steph

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 3>when I ran for Balmain, and there was nothing in

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 3>it for me. But we do it because we love

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 3>this country and we want to see it governed.

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Steph and Frei, I want to ask both

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 2>of you right where you're the counterculture? Right? The counterculture

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 2>of somebody who's willing to stand up for and identify

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>themselves not just as liberal supporter, but somebody wanted to

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 2>be a Liberal member of parliament.

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>So again, what drew you to it?

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>What made you not just be somebody handing out but

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>instead a person who was willing to wear the T

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>shirt be a member? And will that passion continue or

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the harrowing experience of running makes you take a little

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 2>time off.

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Steph, great question. Look, I mean I just had to

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 4>do it. I was morally compelled to do this. I

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 4>could have sat on my hands and bided my time

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 4>until the next election, having already run for pre selection

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 4>prior or. I could have stood up and headed towards

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 4>what I believed was the right way forward for Australia,

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 4>and in the youngest electorate in the nation, on the

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 4>basis of the last census data, I saw in you know,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 4>in Melbourne. I saw in Melbourne an opportunity for us

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 4>to take a different way forward. And for me, it

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 4>was really important the fact that I was actually a

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 4>southyarra A resident. You know, the time I was looking

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 4>at and I still am a Southyara resident, and I

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 4>was looking at how Adam Vance was dividing society, and

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, with so many young people that were sort

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 4>of eating their Really, I just thought, this has got

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 4>to the point where somebody has to do something. And

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 4>if you know, if someone with nothing to gain doesn't

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 4>stand up. And I was well qualified. You know, I've

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 4>been practicing law for over a decade, worked for two

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 4>former foreign ministers for half a decade, and I've been

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 4>behind some of the most significant legislation in the nation.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.839
<v Speaker 4>I either Foreign Relations Act twenty twenty and Magnitski twenty

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 4>twenty one. So I had the runs on the board

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 4>to do this. And when it to Adam Ban, I

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 4>mean I just thought, you're so polarizing and divisive. I

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 4>don't know if you even know what the national interest means.

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 4>So it was I was morally compelled to do it,

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 4>and that's why I stood up. You know, I'm running

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 4>a practice, a law practice. You know, I knew that

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 4>this would you know, take a toll on me as

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 4>well as a thirty something. You know, we're not made

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 4>of money obviously in terms of thirty something. It's like

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 4>we're trying to get ahead and the best way that

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 4>we know how. And for me, you know, big on

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 4>small business, big on you know, my private sector experience

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 4>as well as my public sector experience. I was I

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 4>was actually at a crossroads where I was like, well,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 4>do I, you know, do I do this and and

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, feeling morally compelled to do it, or you know,

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 4>do I just go with my practice and expand into

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 4>international obitration and mediation, which is what I'm specialized to do.

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 4>And I decided that I wasn't going to sit on

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.399
<v Speaker 4>my hands. And I looked at the numbers. I thought

0:41:56.440 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 4>to myself, this guy, how does he feel so entitled

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 4>to act this way? So polarizing and divisive and you

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 4>know and kind of really making young people feel like

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 4>they're you know, like that everyone owes them, owes them something,

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 4>which really we've got to work hard. That's what That's

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 4>what young people need to know, is we've got to

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 4>work hard and we've actually got to you know, invest

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 4>in the future, and you don't do that by you know,

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 4>a race to the bottom. So that was that was

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 4>clear to me. When I saw that he had forty

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 4>nine point seven percent primary at the last election, I realized,

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 4>we'll hang on. That is zero point three percent off

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 4>winning in his own right. If I don't stand up

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 4>and do something, I mean.

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Even if I don't win, that's it.

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Then he then he may get there if he doesn't

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>have somebody confronting him.

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 2>And also again when we talk about that age differences, right,

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>remember all the way through the election, I talked about

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 2>over fifty under fifty right in the seat of Melbourne.

0:42:55.520 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Over fifty is thirty eight under fifty seventy five sounds

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>seventy five thousand.

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:03.399
<v Speaker 1>So to see that Steph was.

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>There, Move that needle, Move that needle is really important, Ladies,

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>stick about plenty more to talk about here on Paul

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Murray Live. Quick break back with more. Thanks for watching.

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm loving this.

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Happy warriors were in a second. Thank you so much

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 2>for watching his Steph Hunter is a lawyer. She is

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 2>an international negotiator and she tells it like it is,

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 2>which means she's at home here on Paul Murray Live.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 2>She's the fotball Liberal candidate for the seat of Melbourne

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Frae Leachers with the Mensis Research Center.

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:34.399
<v Speaker 1>She too, is a happy warrior.

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this a lot because I take it from

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Nigel Farage and I want the term to catch on

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and I want people to actually actually get it.

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about.

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>The decisions that have been made today by the Prime

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Minister and about whom he's decided to empower. Again, no

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>one normal cares about the faction this and the faction

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>that they don't care, right, But essentially some of the

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 2>decisions do seem to be a little bit reflective of

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>blindness to former failures and the embracing of a certain

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 2>type of arrogance.

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>What do you think, Fray?

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 3>The most shocking decision out of Albanese's cabinet reshuffle was

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the promotion of Michelle Roland to Attorney General after probably

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 3>the most disastrous piece of legislation certainly in the Albanese

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 3>government's term but probably honestly in the last decade. That

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Misinformation Bill was truly shocking.

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 1>And now she's judge of all of all and now.

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 3>She's in charge of everything, and it attracted thousands of submissions,

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 3>mass public outrage. It was a true shocker. And now

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 3>this woman is being put in charge of every piece

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 3>of legislation, she's the chief lawmaker in the country. It

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 3>doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean against Steph this could look. I had

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.359
<v Speaker 2>no doubt She's going to be very capable and all

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. She's a very smart person. But literally,

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>when you know she went to the matt multiple times

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>for or a bill that was going to have some

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 2>level of government declaration of the truth. For that person

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to now be at the heart of the machine, it

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 2>again speaks to me to what I think is a

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>blind spot of the government. Again maybe perhaps misinterpreting the

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 2>result of last week, thinking that it's a vindication for

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>everything in the past three years.

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the Misinformation Bill was not good, to

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 4>say the least. In fact, it was pretty dangerous. So

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to hold off on further commentary until see

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 4>what she does. But you know, I mean, the communications

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 4>space was an area that I was very interested in,

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 4>and so I was watching that closely. I think obviously

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.919
<v Speaker 4>the Attorney General space is a very serious portfolio and

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 4>I will be watching that.

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And in fairness, with a strong legal career in front

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 2>of you, good to play that card. Good to play

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<v Speaker 2>that card because I don't know if they can take

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<v Speaker 2>the gun and bad job for you. I'm just not

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<v Speaker 2>even a bush lawyer, but myself here on Telly. That said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about an interesting thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>around today talking about rapid population growth as we were

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<v Speaker 2>with Matt Canavan, which was that Melbourne is on its

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<v Speaker 2>way to being the size of New York. Now, of

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<v Speaker 2>course we're talking about population here. You've got to carry

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<v Speaker 2>the one a couple of times, but still again stiff.

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<v Speaker 2>We're happy for our cities to grow, but if the

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure goes with it. But also the reality is that

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to go up, not out. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>a great tension between two different types of Australia. How

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<v Speaker 2>would you feel about Melbourne the size of Melbourne but

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<v Speaker 2>having as many people as New York?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think Melbourne, honestly, we need to focus on

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<v Speaker 4>being the most livable city in the world. Again, we

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<v Speaker 4>should focus on the basics, safety, affordability and support for

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<v Speaker 4>small businesses. That's what I heard loud and clear on

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<v Speaker 4>the ground, whether it be you know, with small business

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<v Speaker 4>owners or residents. I spoke to thousands and thousands of residents.

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of the population, we are the biggest now Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're getting the basics right. So if

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<v Speaker 4>I were the current member, I would be focusing on

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<v Speaker 4>getting the basics right and I would be talking to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, those in those senior cabinet physicians to be

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<v Speaker 4>looking at population and making sure I'd be dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>local council, State, you know, the state team as well

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<v Speaker 4>and federal to ensure that we have the right critical

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<v Speaker 4>infrastructure as well as other infrastructure and services to support

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<v Speaker 4>the population growth because at the moment, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>really heading in one direction, and whether that's just to

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<v Speaker 4>cap the recession, and you know, there's there's a question

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<v Speaker 4>as to migration numbers and whether that should be as

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<v Speaker 4>high as it currently is. Of course, what I would

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<v Speaker 4>say would be, let's go get the basics right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then that gets of course, you know, intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>as it was at the last election.

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<v Speaker 1>Frey sadly thirty seconds. But your thoughts you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just can't keep bringing in millions and millions of people

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<v Speaker 3>without building anything. And the problem is the Victorian Labor

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<v Speaker 3>government are probably the most hopeless builders in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't build critical infrastructure to save their life. They

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<v Speaker 3>have billions in costs, blowouts, project delays for years and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's irresponsible and reckless of them, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're putting their own interests ahead of those of the

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<v Speaker 3>citizens of Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you so much, ladies. I really do

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Steph again, thank you so much for coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. Look forward to seeing you down the

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<v Speaker 2>track if you want to play again. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>freyer Leach, we know you'll be back. Thank you very

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 2>much to both of you. All right now, one more

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<v Speaker 2>reminder about Our Town coming to Cairns in North Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be doing it in a couple of Sunday's time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing lots of shout outs now because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to fill the room as soon as possible with as

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<v Speaker 2>many people who are the hardcore viewers of this program Ourtown.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone news dot com dot You. Nigel Farages on

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<v Speaker 2>the show tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Tadah