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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, we look

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Speaker 1: ahead to the second part of the Formula One season,

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Speaker 1: starting with the return of the championship with this weekend's

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Speaker 1: Dutch Grand Prix. My name is Michael Lomonado, motorsport writer

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Speaker 1: for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company

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Speaker 1: and the company of my co host from Speed Cafe.

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Speaker 1: He's been humming the tune of super Max all week.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Kosh.

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Speaker 2: I do know far more of the lyrics than I

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Speaker 2: care to admit to that one.

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Speaker 1: Only so many lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at that end, I didn't the same group? Do

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Speaker 2: Lando the Lion?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I think that's right. Yes, I know. It's not

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Speaker 1: a one hit wonder You can't call.

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Speaker 2: Them no, that's even get them two hits as a stretch.

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Speaker 1: Oh you remember the name. That's more than you can

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Speaker 1: for most one hit wonder band.

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Speaker 2: But it's like that. Do you remember DJ Visage. I'm

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Speaker 2: winding the clock back here to the late nineties DJ

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Speaker 2: Visage producder a track that's title was Formula and pretty

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Speaker 2: much it was a Ferrari engineoiss uh as sort of

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Speaker 2: the beat to it though, Schumacher, Schumacher is averted my Stu.

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Speaker 2: That is, that's why I learned to speak German.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know a couple of track.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all I can speak in German.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's better than most, So that's okay, Michael Schumacher. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: that's technically German. I guess if he's a German driver,

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Speaker 1: then those words counters German.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, vocabulary double my vocabulary.

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Speaker 1: Then well it will be a week of supermax because

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Speaker 1: the Dutch Grand Prix atmosphere is not really like any

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Speaker 1: other Grand Prix on the calendar. It is more of

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Speaker 1: a rave than a race.

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Last year they had andre Reer on the grid doing

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Speaker 1: the anthem before that was really.

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Speaker 2: It was because Andrew, I'm getting to that station of life.

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Speaker 2: He's right up my alien. In terms of musical prowess,

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Speaker 2: I do. I do get a bit of Spotify going

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Speaker 2: and crank on a bit of Andreria and you know,

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Speaker 2: cooking dinner and whatever. And I was gutted. I was

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Speaker 2: meant to be there last year my wife gave birth,

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Speaker 2: so I missed it.

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Speaker 1: What a pity, Matt, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Really considerate timing, but yeah, you know, you just a

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Speaker 2: group of Dutch spectators just absolutely raving out to some violin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just everything you need to know about

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Speaker 2: the Netherlands in one little, one little three minute piece.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'll be it'll be a lot to top

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Speaker 1: that this year, but I'm sure the Dutch Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: organizers will find a way. It's of course going to

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Speaker 1: be Maxi Staffan's two hundred Grand Prix as well, so

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Speaker 1: extra reason to celebrate. But we don't know Matt whether

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Speaker 1: or not he's going to win this, whether he's perfect

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Speaker 1: record of his home race will continue. That's one of

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Speaker 1: many things I think to look forward to obviously in

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Speaker 1: the immediate future. But for the second half of the

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Speaker 1: season is well generally just the form guide and that's

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Speaker 1: what we're looking forward to in this episode of Pit Talk,

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Speaker 1: is what we're anticipating for the last ten races of

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Speaker 1: the season. They're going to come at us very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Two sets of double headers, two sets of triple headers

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Speaker 1: that it'll all be.

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Speaker 2: Over, and the other mid season break. Don't forget the

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Speaker 2: other mid season break.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well that's youd. Look, that's what I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to most because so much there's so much erasing being

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Speaker 1: The falls open to you, Matt, to kick us off.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to anticipating in this second

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Speaker 2: It's interesting you mentioned Max's record at zan for three races,

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Speaker 2: three race wins thus far. There's only one driver in

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Speaker 2: form of on history it's been more successful there, and

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Speaker 2: that's Jim Clark. He won sixty two, sixty three, sixty four,

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Speaker 1: That's why they wrote the song super Gym.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what Jim Clark really is. Jackie

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Speaker 2: Stewart's got a song about him, probably Williams Supreme. We've

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Speaker 2: got super Max. Lando's got a song anyway, if you're

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Speaker 2: recording artists out there, there's a lot of cash in

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Speaker 2: the Formula one paddic It's just it's untapped at this point.

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Speaker 2: But I think this weekend, going into Zambo, it's going

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Speaker 2: Because Zamvor historically has been you know it's a stronghold

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Speaker 2: of Max hast happened really, you know, it's it's his

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Speaker 2: home event. He gets a little bit of that Nigel

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Speaker 2: Mansil prowess about him. It's just something about that event

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Speaker 2: that lifts him. But he's never had this sort of

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Speaker 2: this time last year. So you've got McLaren's right there.

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Speaker 2: Mercedes have won three of the last four races. Ferrari

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Speaker 2: the The only person that you can really rule out

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Speaker 2: the year is splinters, but they're going to be sitting

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Speaker 2: are we going to see in twenty twenty five, Because

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Speaker 2: some storylines with Oscar Piastri continuing his development. We saw

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Speaker 2: that of the season Miami onwards, even Imla onwards, where

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Speaker 2: his race management had clearly improved, His tire management has

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Speaker 2: the nuances within that.

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't we start with that then, before we

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Speaker 1: tap into matters like Prari Mercedes and setting up next year,

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Speaker 1: considering how much change we've got next year, and how

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Speaker 1: some markers for twenty twenty five, because it's been three

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Speaker 1: Every sign is that this will go all the way

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Speaker 1: and we're kind of somewhat anticlimactic if on the current

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Speaker 1: highlighted I think the pertinent point. It's something that Zach

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Speaker 1: really anyway there might be a way for Sergio Pairs

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Speaker 1: there really any saving Sergio Peirs at Red Bull Racing

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Speaker 1: Because this is at a minimum and near death experience

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Speaker 1: for Red Bulls Championship defense, right Like it's going to

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Speaker 1: be close. If McLaren and Red Bulls start on even

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Speaker 1: footing next year, it won't be closed to your mind.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way for Sergio Pearis to save his

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Speaker 2: It's a really good question, and probably the thirty seven

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Speaker 2: million dollar question at this point, because the Constructors Championship

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Speaker 2: talking about here. The Driver's Championship has all the prestige

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Speaker 2: so one we all talk about, but it's not the

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Speaker 2: one that earns you money. The the formula's prize money,

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Speaker 2: and that's worth tens of millions of dollars. The problem

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Speaker 2: been the architecture of its own demise here in many respects,

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time it was just bankrolled by Red

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Speaker 1: guess you could say he shares that Peltim win with

432
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: George Russel, so maybe they're nice and even in that sense,

433
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: and Ferrari, while being off the boil pretty much since

434
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: winning the Monaco Grand Prix, does continue to promise and look,

435
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: you can take that as you like. I suppose that

436
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: there are only one sort of tweak away from understanding

437
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: this car from returning to where they were at the

438
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: start of the year, and this was because that Spanish

439
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: Grand Prix upgrade didn't really fire for them. It took

440
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: them a while to figure that out. It's always risky

441
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: bringing upgrades to Spain because then the next race was

442
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: Austria with the sprint format and then suddenly you're losing time.

443
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: We had some wet sessions, all that kind of thing.

444
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: Bringing a new floor after the mid season break, bringing

445
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: some tweaks to subsequent races that might be enough to

446
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: see them resume there. And that changes the picture again

447
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: because even if neither a team is in contention with

448
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: the constructor's title, that does mean points are not going

449
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: directly to Red Bull Racing and McLaren on their respective

450
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: strong races, and that does change the momentum. I want

451
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: to talk about Mercedes in particular though, because I think

452
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: for our sort of its own case. The Mercedes Lewis

453
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Hamilton final chapter for me is very interesting because, as

454
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: I think we've seen over the past couple of years

455
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: and really over his entire career, when the car is

456
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: not performing, Lewis Hamilton sometimes puts his head down a

457
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: little bit, and I think we even saw that at

458
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: the start of this year, and I attribute a lot

459
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: of the dynamic between him and George Russell stemming from that.

460
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: George Russell's been able to get more out of the

461
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: car and it's not been at its best, but more

462
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: recently in particular, when the car has clearly been more competitive,

463
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: so too is Lewis Hamilton's form improved. Like I said,

464
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: two technically, at least officially, I should say, of the

465
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: last four races have been Lewis Hamilton victories, most iconic

466
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: of which, of course the British Grand Prix. But this

467
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: dynamic between him and the team is going to be

468
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: fascinating to watch because they've been really their own biggest

469
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: advocates for that entire obviously title winning run, but even

470
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of years when things have not been

471
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: going so well. But now that relationship is dissolving and

472
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: it's dissolving. We shouldn't forget because Lewis Hamilton felt like

473
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: the team maybe wasn't showing him enough faith with the

474
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: short term contract, and that in turn is that the

475
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: team believing that maybe Lewis Hamilton's best days is numbered

476
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: because they had their eye on Kimie Antonelli replacing him

477
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: in the medium turn, perhaps as soon as next year,

478
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: had things worked out, and that probably is what is

479
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: going to happen, just not in the way the team

480
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: probably expected it. Toto Wolf doesn't feel like the biggest

481
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton booster in the way has been the last

482
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: few years. I'm not suggesting there's any tension between them

483
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: and anything like that, but there's just this cooling of

484
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: the relationship. And the longer the season goes on, the

485
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: closer we get to twenty twenty five, the closer Lewis

486
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: Hamilton gets becoming Ferrari driver, the more that's going to

487
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: be the case. But I suspect there are more wins

488
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: for Lewis Hamilton this second half for the season. I'm

489
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: going to be really fascinated to see how that dynamic

490
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: plays out.

491
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: I think you've hit the nail and had there there's

492
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: something that's not the same there in that relationship, and

493
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: it's it's sort of been not broken, but it's been

494
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: different since the start of the year, and that announcement

495
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: came out the end of January or whenever it was.

496
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: But Lewis Hamilton has refound his mojo at the same time.

497
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: That's helped by Mercedes refining its mojo. It's been knocking

498
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: on the door for a little while. But whatever it

499
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 2: is that found it found around the Monaco Grand Prix.

500
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: Everyone put it down to the front wing. I don't

501
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: buy that that's too simplistic. The front winning around Monaco

502
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: brings near on nothing because you basically always want to

503
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: run a vertical service there to you know, just push

504
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: the thing into it around. You're not after efficiencies at all.

505
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: I argue that it's probably the flaw and changes. I

506
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: refer to this all the time in balance. If you

507
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: can give your driver's confidence in the car balance and

508
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: they're comfortable with it, they can push. If the car's

509
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: not comfortable, they can't. And that's we need only look

510
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: at Ferrari for evidence of that the car isn't comfortable.

511
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: We know the car was quick early in the year.

512
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: The car now isn't comfortable because of bounces and they

513
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: can't push, so they're not as quick. Conversely, McLaren have

514
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: opened the performance window. The car is more comfortable and

515
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: they can push. So it's all about balance and it's

516
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: all about car comfort. And we're now seeing the overlap

517
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: between where the car is happy and where Lewis Hamilton

518
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: is happy. And when we see that overlap, we saw

519
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: from twenty fourteen until twenty twenty what that combination can do.

520
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton I don't believe he's as good as he

521
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: was during his absolute peak, but he's clearly still good

522
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: enough to be a raised winner. I mean, he's the

523
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: greatest of all time statistically, isn't he? So you know

524
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: he's still got plenty more to go. I don't disagree

525
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: with you. We know there are circuits coming up where

526
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: Mercedes has historically been comparatively strong. The I was going

527
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: to call it the Brazilian Grand Privis, the South Paolo

528
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Grand Prix. These days, they've traditionally been pretty strong up

529
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: And there was that drive from Lewis Hamilton. It was

530
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: in the sprint, wasn't it about twenty one where it

531
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: came from the back to the front when that was phenomenal,

532
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: arguably the greatest drive of Louis Hamilton's career. Singapore, they

533
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: always seem to go well as well, and there was

534
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: a third place there with fastest lap last year in

535
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: Mexico second place. So there's a couple of events coming

536
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: up where you're right, they're going to be very strong.

537
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: What will be interesting is, you know events like Singapore

538
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: and where some of these stronger races are for the

539
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: likes of Mercedes and there was Hamilton. How that overlaps

540
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: with the strengths of McLaren, how that overlaps with the

541
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: strengths of the Red Bull, and most importantly, how that

542
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: overlaps with the weaknesses of Sergio Perez. I think that's

543
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: going to curious to think that the success of Lewis

544
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: Hamilton could expedite the failure of Sjo Perez. But it's

545
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: so intrinsically linked at the moment. You've got all these

546
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: interwoven storylines that you can't look at any of them

547
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: in isolation because it is so inherently competitive at the moment.

548
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: I can't think of Formula one where it's been this competitive. Okay,

549
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: there are big gaps in the Constructors Championship. Let's park

550
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: that to the side and let's just look at the

551
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: competition from sort of Spain or maybe even Austria onwards.

552
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: And we've got three teams, arguably four at times. It's

553
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: not just your own individual prowess, it's that of your rivals.

554
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Every story it's like one of those you know when

555
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: the police on the police shows where they're hunting someone.

556
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: I've got those red string lines everywhere. It's like that

557
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: at the moment. You've got you know, Mercedes to the

558
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: red string, to Lewis Hamilton with a red string, to

559
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Ferrari with a red string, to Carla Science. It's all

560
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: linked and it's all fascinating because everyone is having influence

561
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: on everyone else.

562
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Let's move on now to the driver market map, because

563
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: this is the essential last piece of the second part

564
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: of the season, and middally a lot of it has been,

565
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: if not formally decided, A lot of penciling in has

566
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: been going on up and down the paddock. There are

567
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: a couple of big question marks left we're waiting for confirmation,

568
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: but there are four seats that start off with that.

569
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: There are four seats still available officially in Formula one

570
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, Mercedes is the most competitive among them.

571
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: All expectations are that Andrea Kimi Antonelli will be put

572
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: in that seat the Formula two Mercedes Juniors one a

573
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: couple of times in Formula two hasn't had perhaps the

574
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: standout season that he and the team and maybe some

575
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: observers were expecting. But certainly you can see the upswing

576
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: inform there and combined with the impressive private testing he's

577
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: been doing with Mercedes, that seems to be enough to

578
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: convince the team that he is worth a shot, and

579
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: certainly it's become a bit of a totemic issue for

580
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: Toto Wolf as well. Moving further down the grid, RB

581
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: has already been well ventilated. We know that's a Ricardo lawson.

582
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: Paeris in the not in the mix, but he's connected there.

583
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: That's sort of a self contained situation there. At least

584
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: our expectations are that will be further down the grid.

585
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: Is Alpine pursued Carlos Science quite aggressively, didn't get him

586
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: in the end. He went to Williams, of course, just

587
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: after the end of the first part of the season.

588
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: Now expecting Australian Jack Do and to be front of

589
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: the queue there, although predicting Alpine is sometimes difficult, but

590
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: certainly he is at least in the mix the reserve

591
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: driver and that could mean as many as three Australians

592
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: on the grid next year, can you imagine. But the

593
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: one that remains a genuine large question mark and very

594
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: much in play is the Sauba or Audi seat currently

595
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: occupied by either Veltri Botasa, Jogo nuw whichever you want

596
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: to look at it. There was a belief only a

597
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: month or two ago, certainly when Andrea Seidel was the

598
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: souber ceo since moved on that Audi in preparation of

599
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: becoming Audi. I suppose in tweeny twenty six wanted a

600
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: clean break from these later years of Sowurn. You can

601
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of understand why doesn't look that impressive at the moment.

602
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: You kind of want to clean slate. Plus Audi coming

603
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: in works manufactured kind of makes sense since Materi Binoto's

604
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: arrived in Seitle's place fundamentally, and we've had more announcements

605
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: on recruitment since then. Valdrie Botas kind of suggested that, well,

606
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: maybe there's a chance for him to stay there. No

607
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: one's really talking too much about Joe Go I knew

608
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: as it happens, But this is a team that was

609
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: connected to Liam Lawson not that long ago. If Lawson

610
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: weren't to get the not at one of the Red

611
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: Bull teams, then if we talk about one of the

612
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: more dramatic scenarios of Ricardo and or Perez maybe being

613
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: dropped from the Red Bull program, or they are both

614
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: experienced race winners, and while Niko Holcknberg certainly in great form,

615
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: not a race winner, not even a podium getter, suddenly

616
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: they look a little bit more attractive. Is it a

617
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: dundeal for Botass do you think? Or is there more

618
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: to play in war on paper? Being the future how

619
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: he works, team should be an extremely attractive option.

620
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: The problem is that team has been going through the

621
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: ringer for two years. Really there's been a lack of investment.

622
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: The business model that they went into where the ownership

623
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: was split between Audi and Finn routing with Arrowhead or

624
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: whatever they called Longbow, wasn't it own as a team

625
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: previously Longbow that was the one.

626
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: That's what a terrible name for a business. By the way,

627
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: I've always thought this, it's like, well, good luck business,

628
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: give it your best shot company.

629
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll shoot our shot.

630
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: What's the worst that could happen? Racing?

631
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: Finn Rousing? What are the richest men in the world.

632
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: He's got a net worth of well over seven billion dollars.

633
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: Quite an interesting story as to how he came to

634
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: own that team, but that's a story for another day.

635
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: That ownership structure a disincentivized investment, because why would Finn

636
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Rousing invest in a team knows he's going to sell

637
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: to Audi or divest a good portion to Audi? Why

638
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: would Audi invest into a business that it doesn't own

639
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: and could ultimately drive up the transaction price of that

640
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: So it got left in this weird state for a

641
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: little while. There was some power struggles I understand behind

642
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: the scenes as well, and as a result, it's kind

643
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: of not It's not that it's gone backwards. It's just

644
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: not gone forwards and everyone else has going forward. Though,

645
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: looking towards the end of the year, do you need

646
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: to be in a rush to sign a second drive?

647
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately RB and Rebel are going to take

648
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: care of that seat independently. That's probably not going to

649
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: impact the driver back. In fact, you can probably wait

650
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: for that to happen, so you've got a clear indication

651
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: as to what your options are. We know Liam Lawson's

652
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: got an option that expires sometime in September. We don't

653
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: know if it's the end or the start of September,

654
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: but at some point in September that that options might

655
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: be October, but either way it's in the next couple

656
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: of weeks. And at that point you know, is Lim

657
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: Lawson on the market. Is Daniel Ricardo? I mean, hell,

658
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: what designing that would be. Even if he's not the

659
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Daniel Riccardo who's in his absolute best, but you get

660
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: the feeling that what Audi wants is to degree of stability,

661
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: some experience, and someone who can drive the team not

662
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: necessarily on track, but from a technical and morale point

663
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: of view, that's what they need. Niko Holkenberg, I've got

664
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: that to an extent in that seat. And then you

665
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: look at who could realistically partner him, Yes, Botas, Lawson

666
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: and Riccardo, and they're really your three options. There's no

667
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: one else really out there that's that's worth grabbing. I

668
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: mean no disrespect to to Logan Sergeant or Kevin Magnuson

669
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: or those guys. They're just not someone that you see

670
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: as a natural fit into an Audi factory drive, because's

671
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: efectively what it is. But at the same time, maybe

672
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: you do go for a youngster because this is a project.

673
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: This isn't going to be a two year deal. This

674
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: is a three or four year program to bring it

675
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: back to some degree of competitive So let's not forget

676
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: that this is the same organization that once upon a

677
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: time was the BMW Factory.

678
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: Team long time ago, now a.

679
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: Long time ago now, yes, but it won races with

680
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Robert cuz Or a race with Robert Kubitzer. Some interesting

681
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: parallels behind the scenes there, but again a story for

682
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: another day. But then conversely, you've got a similar sort

683
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: of situation at an alpine. I'm led to believe that

684
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: Jack doing his signed a contract there hasn't been announced.

685
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: There were suggestions that was going to be announced this

686
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: this week. I've checked with the team and they tell

687
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: me that it's not you know, do they promote from within,

688
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: do they bring an experienced driver in alongside such as Botas,

689
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: alongside Pierre Casley. It's interesting because Mercedes is more or

690
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: less wrapped up the other I'm going to throw at you.

691
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: You mentioned Lawson and Riccardo in conjunction with the RB seat.

692
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: The other one I'm going to throw in there is

693
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: Isaac Kadja. I think he's a realistic option for RB

694
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: next year as well, and that will depend on what

695
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: happens with Sergio Perez and movement of other pieces. But yeah,

696
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be fascinating. We've only got four seats left,

697
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: but they're four sort of meaningful seats. Even if they're

698
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: not at the very cutting edge of where the sport

699
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: is at the moment, there's seats that will have a

700
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: long term impact on the landscape of the spot, particularly

701
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: when you look at teams that are in a building

702
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: phase like Alpine and Audi.

703
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And the intrigue here is that it's

704
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: just four seats and something like eight or nine contenders,

705
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: so there's still quite a lot to settle, even if

706
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: it seems like it all boils down to maybe one

707
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: or two seats that are genuinely uncertain in their destination.

708
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Let's look now very briefly before we go to the

709
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: alternative Championship. I don't know if you are you willing

710
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: and able to make some predictions. I know you already

711
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: said MacLaren's going to win the Constructors Championship. Would you

712
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: like to make a secondary bold prediction before we look

713
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: at the alternative Championship.

714
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to go absolutely off the wall here and

715
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: say maxis happened to win a fourth drivers Championship. Wow,

716
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: it's a big He's a long way that that one's

717
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: basically guaranteed. Mathematically, it's still up for grabs. Butt he's

718
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: so far ahead, be almost cataclysmic for him to lose it. Now,

719
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: I do know, there's nothing else that really sort of

720
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: sticks out the bold prediction. I think we're watching the

721
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: last ten races of Daniel Ricardo's career.

722
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. That's quite a bold one. Won't

723
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: be very popular, but it's a bold one.

724
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: No. Look, it saddens me to say that, because you know,

725
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: I love Daniel. He's very good. You know, we're Australians.

726
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: He's very good for us, he's very good to us.

727
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think we're watching the end of

728
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: an illustrious Australian Formula One career and it's somewhat disappointing

729
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: that that is the case. But I think, you know,

730
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: along with Max winning the championship and McLaren winning the

731
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: Constructors Championship. I think we're going to see Daniel bower

732
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: out at the end of the year.

733
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: See, I was poised to make almost the opposite prediction,

734
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: which is that for all the huffing and puffing and

735
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: speculation about Red Bull, they're going to take a precisely

736
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: unchanged lineup into next year and just tell people to

737
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: stop asking about it, which I could fully see happening

738
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: despite all because realistically, pending what we've all talked about

739
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: sauerber Audi situation, Sowerby would be quite a good man

740
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: of short ones. Lawson doesn't really have any options other

741
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: than that maybe to be on the grid next year.

742
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: So this talk of him becoming wow, it could be

743
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: a free agent by September's almost a little bit moot.

744
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: And that point if you're a Red Bull and you,

745
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: as clearly as the case, are not really willing to

746
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: make the big decisions at the moment, well I could

747
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: ease they see them saying, well, how about another year

748
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and we go through all this exactly

749
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: the same again next year. Because talk from Okay, Helmut

750
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Marco's talk has always been very oll. You know something's

751
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: going to happen very soon, and then sometimes it does,

752
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: but sometimes it doesn't. Christian Horner has been large and noncommittal,

753
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: but he's focus being on Serge Perez. But then if

754
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: you listen to what Laura Mecky is the team principle

755
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: at OURB says, and even Peter Bayer at the CEO,

756
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: they very much are leaving the door open to any possibilities,

757
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: including I think it was Peter Bayer was saying recently

758
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: that what maybe you could could go to Red Bull Racing.

759
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of just a lot of non

760
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: committal behavior there at the moment. So I could fully

761
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: see actually nothing happening at all and it all being

762
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: a little bit underwhelming. But that's part of the intrigue

763
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: of this second part of the season. There's just so

764
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: much uncertainty, and it's not soon a while since I've

765
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: been able to see that in former to one. But

766
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: the championship, Okay, there are some outcomes we're talking about

767
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: the constructors title, driver's titles. One great uncertainty around the

768
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: alternative championship match, because this is very much a live situation.

769
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, even going into the last race, you could

770
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: be five thousand points ahead, and you still don't guarantee

771
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: teaching because for those that aren't aware, this is a

772
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: completely arbitrary look at the world of Formula One, and

773
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: we award points however we see fit that might mean

774
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: we take them away and that counts towards our leaderboards.

775
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: As we revealed last time, Yuki snod are currently leading

776
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: with one nine hundred and sixty eight points. Slender margin

777
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: over Ralf Schumacher in second with three hundred and twenty

778
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: nine goes to show just how off the wall this is.

779
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: But we're coming out of the mid season break. There

780
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: hasn't been a lot going on, so we are I'm

781
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Gontas be honest with WETO Alternative Championship. We're scraping the

782
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel anyway, but this time I feel

783
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel and we'll

784
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: warn our fingernails out doing it. So I'm going to

785
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: kick it off. I'm going to give Stefano Domenicalis minus

786
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: three points. Oh okay, modest minus three points, because that's

787
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: that's sort of how long we've been off. I don't

788
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: like the mid season break because it breaks up the

789
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: flow of the year and I maybe there's some FAA

790
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: points that I need to be sharing, but you know,

791
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: let's schedule it so that we don't have the break

792
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: and mostly so we've got some news coming through because

793
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: built up this real head of steam up to Belgium

794
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: and then it all just stopped.

795
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Didn't you enjoy watching the Olympics? Am I allowed to

796
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: say the word Olympics. I'm not even sure.

797
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: I didn't see a minute of it. I haven't seen

798
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: a bit of the Olympics since Sydney. Mate, Ah, right now,

799
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: right now, I'm a massive cycling fan. I'm midway through

800
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: day eleven of the Tour de France.

801
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Maybe we should schedule the breaks to coincide with the

802
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: Tour de France then.

803
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: And then that's I could get on board with that one. Yeah,

804
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: we're towards the end now of August and I'm a

805
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: month behind the Tour de France and getting awning further.

806
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, minus three points for Stefano Domenicali for the

807
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: mid the fact that the mid season break exists. I

808
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: know it's not his fault, but someone's going to carry

809
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: the can and Stefano, You've got it controversial.

810
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: Contact's probably the most controversial pick. We've had all years so.

811
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: Far more than son Hayes.

812
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: No no more. Sometimes I think we're living with it.

813
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: In a not unrelated pick, though, I'm giving ten points

814
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: to Lewis Hamilton for trying to save the F one

815
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: film titled F one, and I point you to the

816
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: Esquire magazine interview with Lewis Hamilton asked him about what

817
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: his role is as a producer on this film, and

818
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: I'll paraphrase slightly, but then give you the line that

819
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: really caught my eye, and that's essentially he's like the

820
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: authenticity monitor as an actual Formula one driver, sort of

821
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: his job to look at the script written by Aaron

822
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Krueger and, in his words, say, call bullshit. When things

823
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: don't seem like they're going to be legitimate, it's not

824
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna fly. But I point to you, despite apparently that

825
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: one line that earned Sonny Hayes's demerits, I point you

826
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: to a way bigger thing that's now been omitted from

827
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: the script. And I quote Blewis Hamilton here. There may

828
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: have been a crash that was like the car hits

829
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: the wall and flips and lands on the wheels and

830
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: keeps going, and that doesn't happen in Formula one, he says.

831
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: So I'm giving him ten points for ensuring that that

832
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: scene does not make it into the F one film

833
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: entitled F one. I think that's important, and maybe by

834
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: the time we actually get to the release. Next to you,

835
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: even that Sunny Hayes line might be expunged from the script.

836
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Was it damned with safety or something like that?

837
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't it need a calf A combat match?

838
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: It need a calf A combat What does that mean?

839
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: That should have been the reply from the technical But Sunny,

840
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: what does that mean?

841
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a feeling that this movie is going

842
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: to be some good fodder for us. Yeah, I'm looking

843
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: forward to it. So you've put far more effort into

844
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: this than I have, in fairness, because my next one

845
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: is pretty poor. I'm giving three points to Leo Leclair

846
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: because that's how many of Charles Leclair's Instagram or Twitter

847
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: post he's been in over the summer break.

848
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that dog content is fine. I

849
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: enjoyed when he met Roscoe Lewis Hamilton's dog. I think

850
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: that was good. The crossover content. The sports world really

851
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: needed more of that.

852
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a story we didn't know we wanted now

853
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: can't live without. But it should be a spinoff. Dogs

854
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: have afore, we've got some drive to survive. Maybe it's

855
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: wolf to win.

856
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of that. Someone writes to Netflix,

857
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: I've taken ten points off twenty twenty one NASCAR champion

858
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Larsen yes for claiming that he knows he's a

859
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: better driver than Max for Staffen, because I quote or paraphrase,

860
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: there's no way for Staffen can get in a sprint

861
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: car and win the Knoxville Nationals, the Chili Bowl, or

862
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: a cup race at Bristol. I'm not sure what the

863
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Chili Bowl is sprint car race, but now I figured that,

864
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know why it's named such that sorely

865
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: is not large enough set of criteria to say that

866
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: you're a better driver than Max Verstaffen. Max for Staffan's

867
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: also one more titled in his discipline at a minimum,

868
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: so I don't know if that counts or not, but

869
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: ten points off. I'm not a NASCAR expert, so I

870
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: don't know how good or not Kyle Larson is. I'm

871
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: led to believe he is quite a good NASCAR driver,

872
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: but that just seems like a very big claim.

873
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's up there with building a car

874
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: for combat. Yeah, it seems like that's what he wants, really,

875
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, yea, Karl Larson. To be honest, I

876
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: would love to see so. Back in the nineteen fifties

877
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: at Monza, there was this race I can't remember the act,

878
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: like the Race of Two Worlds, where they bought Formula

879
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: One and it wasn't NASCAR was in the car, but

880
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: they bought those two competitions together. They ran the oval

881
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: reverse direction at at Monza. Obviously, the Indian guys just

882
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: absolutely creamed it from memory because the Formula One cars

883
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: were less powerful and everything else, so they weren't set

884
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: up for for oval rating. But it's happened in the past.

885
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: I'd love to see something like that. I guess it's

886
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: a little bit like what the Race of Champions Champions

887
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: is or was, but that that just felt a little

888
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: bit manufactured, intended to favor the rally guys. I'd love

889
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: to see them jump in a couple of different disciplines

890
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: and it won't happen for commercial reasons, but a hell

891
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: of a thing, wouldn't it, Because we able to tell

892
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: Kyle Larson, yes, you are the best driver in the world,

893
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: or mate, even logan side. All right, my next one

894
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 2: it's like yours. It's for a single line of dialogue

895
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: and it's don't be such a bogan vouchery you're embarrassed.

896
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: One hundred and eight points of vouchery botas because that's

897
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: the distance of this gravel race that he's setting up

898
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: in Adelaide in the early part of next season. The

899
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: promo video for it was magnificent in its awkwardness, right,

900
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: and I love Tiffany Cromwell calling him a bogan and

901
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: that he was embarrassing because as an Australian, I have

902
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: never had a mullet. I can't show away from the

903
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: fact that I've got the mustache, but the mulet I've

904
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: never had also, nor would i be seen drinking VB.

905
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely fair and I'm from Victoria at that time, but

906
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: I do like the look. It's great that VB happens

907
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: to be's initials, so that's great content. I'm going to

908
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: wrap it up twenty five points off. Tom Coronell, the

909
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Dutch former, might actually still be current racing driver. I'm

910
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: not sure. Not in Formula one anyway for perpetuating the

911
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: myth that Daniel Ricardo left Red Bull Racing just for

912
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: the money and hasn't been any good since. I think

913
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: we fully rebutted this when Jacques Villnerve said the same

914
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: in Canada. It's just not true. Don't get me wrong.

915
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: All the money was influential in his decision, but it

916
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: was for half from the only reason he left Red

917
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: Bull Racing, and his seasons at Renaut were actually very good,

918
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: underratedly so. Actually, if you search for Tom Coronell on

919
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: the internet, obviously on Google or your search engine of

920
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: choice and select news, you'll find he only ever seems

921
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: to say disparaging things about people. I'd love you to

922
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: have a more positive opinion on something at some point, Tom,

923
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate if you're on social media. About

924
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: eight years ago, he definitely followed you, regardless of who

925
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: you work. Yes, so twenty five points off. I'll limit

926
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: it to that because I think you're still in my

927
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: followers list, even I don't really tweet very often at

928
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: all anymore. But please, let's move on from this silly

929
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: narrative that Daniel Occado hasn't been good since he left

930
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Red Bull racing.

931
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a World Touring Car Championship driver. Yes, yes,

932
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: for the time there.

933
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: As well, wasn't he So he won Formula nip on Yeah,

934
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's.

935
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: Got some skill, so he's more credentialed behind him than

936
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: I am.

937
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, no doubt, I'm not I disparage him. Not

938
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: only that. I'm just I think he might still be.

939
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: He's still racing last year, I think so, you know,

940
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I just think he needs to strain in.

941
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: I feel like we need some more positive talking heads

942
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: in Formula one instead of all this argie bargie.

943
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: Enough of the combat.

944
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Yes, we don't build a cast combat inform On that note,

945
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: it's all the time we have for Pit Talk. In fact,

946
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: we've gone dramatically over time. We'll be back next week

947
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: to wrap up all the action from the Dutch Grand Free.

948
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,799
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949
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,000
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950
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,920
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951
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
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952
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: com dot Au and Speedcafe dot Com. From Matt Cash

953
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,280
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954
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next week.