WEBVTT - Blakfella's Are Built For Survivor 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.640 Welcome to First things first, I'm brook Blert and my 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:03.840 pronounce are she and huh. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.160 I'm Maddie Meals. My pronouns are he and him. And 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.920 before we get started, I'd like to acknowledge the custodians 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.960 of the land on which we record, and for me 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:12.560 it's the Gaddigal people of the eur. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.760 Nation and for me it's a roundering people of the 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:21.400 cooler nations. Let let's get into Well, we've got a 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:32.320 special guest on today we do love like he's a 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.159 huge Beyonce Disney Child's man. How's we've got Kobe Bentley 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.400 in studio today? 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:39.320 Mob? 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.240 Yes, who's your mob? Where you're from? 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.440 Yamaji from Western Australia. I grew up in a cracking country. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.000 It's renowned as cracking country in Mount Barker Country. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.600 Girl throw cracker country. Okay? Is this because there's a 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:53.360 lot of white people? 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.800 That's funny? 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.600 No, so not about when the Cracker brothers that Yeah yeah, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.440 yeah yeah, I get canceled. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:06.080 You can change it. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.479 So if you don't know Kirby, which baffles me because 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.880 I grew up having you. Majority of my life from 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.440 when I was a little girl came from Canarvin moved 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:23.320 to Perth. She's an afl W footballer or was is 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.120 still playing? Right? 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:24.800 Oh? 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:30.120 God no, truly retired? Yeah, commentating at the moment, but yeah, yeah, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:31.319 we didn't talk. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.800 About that, Brooks aage in twenty years you're still playing, right, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:38.199 I'm still playing. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.160 I don't know. Do you sometimes feel like that as well? 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.120 I guess when you watch games you're like, am I 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.440 still yeah? Still playing? Mentally like what the fuck they're doing? 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:47.720 No? 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.360 But you were also on Survivor. I mean tell the people. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.520 I guess your progression of where where you're from obviously, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.960 but then also what you've done, because you've done a 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:57.600 lot girl. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.680 Yeah, yeah, so being a country girl. We grew up 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.720 in white Australia, Black Australia. There were no other ethnicities, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.400 so for me, the American accent was just the movies. Like, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.400 I was pretty naive, right, So I grew up around racism. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.799 I started to hear it and experience it from both 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.040 sides too, like, and it's uncomfortable because you start to 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.320 think about who am I and where do I sort 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.080 of sit with that? And I was very lucky that 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.640 both parents are Aboriginal. Both the New Ya yamage and 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.600 they are proud of who they are. So they instilled 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.720 some really good, strong values and I was, Yeah, I was. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:35.440 So grateful for that. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:40.080 But my fast track journey I started playing National League netball. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.239 I played netball when I was fourteen, made my first 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.359 state team when I was fourteen in State Under seventeens, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.519 and then ended up making my National League netball team 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.760 Perthoreols which is now West Coast Fever when I was sixteen. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.720 So I was year eleven twelve doing that all Australian 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.080 throughout my entire netball career. And then two thousand and 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.160 nine my mum sister taken from US domestic violence and 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:07.240 that sort of shifted everything in my life. And actually, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.240 you know, my middle sisters playing AFL, and I wanted 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.679 to step into her world and get to know her. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.280 So that's where my footy journey started. So almost repeated 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.480 the same thing in AFL, played every highest level team 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.120 all Australian, capped the. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.840 Most sides as well. Yeah, so I was pretty lucky. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.880 Yeah, Kobe is a humble queen, but she doesn't realize 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.200 how much of an impact she has had in AFL. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.280 I had played in this club called the Kobe Bentley Club, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.760 which a lot of the young Indigenous girls come through, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.080 and that's where sort of their footy careers first kind 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.040 of like they get to play a part of a 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.560 team and they play a carnival. And I think that 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.680 for me was like a huge thing of like, wow, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.520 there are so many girls that play footy, and having 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.040 Kobe's name is like, oh my god, she's like a celebrity, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.000 you know, Like and I was like, I don't know, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:07.120 thirteen fourteen, fifteen, yeah, and I've idolized you from pretty 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.440 much day dot and football for me, and I feel 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.320 like this is thanks to the people that shaped my 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.760 football career, but also it shaped my life. And I 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.960 think like people don't realize how much football does for 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.120 people in community and it just any sport, hey, because 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.320 like I don't know if it's a mob thing, but 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.159 like it brings us all together and we like really 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.960 love our footy, but we don't just love it just 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.040 for the actual sport itself. We love what it yeah, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.360 what it brings. I think for you, like I don't know, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:44.599 it was just having a strong black female football role 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.960 model that I was like, I want to be like her, 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.440 Like I just want to be playing good footy. I 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.440 want to be respected like you. And I also loved 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.200 how hands on you were with all the Indigenous girls 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.560 as well, and you called shit out. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.840 I appreciate that, and I obviously I didn't know that. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.480 That's the impact that I have and had on people, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.760 because I want our women and our young girls to 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.040 be who whoever they want to be, and I'm comfortable 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.040 with who I am. Like I will always call somebody 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.640 out or ask a question that is uncomfortable, that sounds silly, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.800 especially at training. I'd be like, oh, what do you 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.560 mean when you're saying this, Like, even if I know 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.320 the answer, I know that somebody doesn't. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:29.960 And I don't want to be you know. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.320 That know it all, but I need to empower others 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.880 to be able to be in that place. But I 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.599 am grateful that I have had that sort of impact 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.040 on you and you're doing that now and I love that. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.440 And I love seeing our queens and our kings like 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.960 drive those changes because that is all of Hawa. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:46.480 I am. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.719 Yeah, So I love that. I appreciate that. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.120 Can I ask you, like, when you get to a 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.960 certain level, you're obviously at the top level of your field. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.800 You know, like, if you've ticked it all off, does 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.520 it feel like you think it's going to feel? Because 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.960 for me, I feel like even the little things that 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.760 I've achieved in my career and their success, I feel 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.080 like it never feels how you think it's going to feel. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:09.120 Is that the same for you? 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:15.800 What I've found in both netball and football, even if 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.080 I was actually the best player, I was always brought 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.880 down a notch for some reason and I wasn't sort 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.280 of the accolades sort of didn't meet where I was at. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.240 And that's fine, that's so cool. But I've started to 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.760 realize that not everyone wants you to excel. And I 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.840 played the game because I love it. I played both 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.080 games because I love it. And I always talk about 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.080 walking in three worlds. So we live in the white world, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.120 and it's so prominent, right. I know that I'm black, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.919 and I'm so proud to be that. But in a 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.919 sporting arena, I can be both because I'm good at 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.719 sport and my white counterparts need me to be a 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.840 part of that team, so I can mix in that space. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.880 But yeah, it's interesting. It's I've always been driven to 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.640 be the best I can be. Yeah, not to be 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.560 the best out of everyone, Like I don't know what 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:10.960 that is. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.560 I would say one Kirby is one of the most 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.440 elite afl W players, Like she played in all of 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.800 these state matches, the exhibition when AFLW didn't even fucking exist, 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.960 and she was the one that drove the comp And 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.920 that's a lot to carry on your back, by the way, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.200 that's a lot, Like that is massive. Like Kirby's name 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.200 was getting thrown out here, there and everywhere when I 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.280 was younger, and it's only ever and it's still like, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.240 you know, to this day. But like I don't feel 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.880 like there was always this like you were at the 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.280 top of your game and you were playing, but you 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.240 still weren't like you you're the best in my eyes, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.720 but there was always like a focus or like an 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.520 elevation of other players that were non Indigenous, And that 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.040 just fucking drove me mad because I'm like, this woman 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.920 has a fucking up named after fox. I think all 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.440 of our Indigenous girls at play afl W huge talent. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.840 I think you put any of these Indigenous girls on 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.800 a field, they will show up every day. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.000 Yeah, yeah, And that's that's what I love about our sport, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.239 like we are creative, we are talented, we actually work hard, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.880 but because we make things look effortless, that the stereotypical 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.400 like opinion of us is that it's just natural that. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.400 We don't work hard for it. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:29.400 Like a lot of. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.520 The work that I did was behind the scenes, Like 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.760 I worked my ass off to be the most skillful player, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.360 and I was clean and everything that I did was perfected. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.240 They literally say Kirby magic, black magic. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:42.600 But it was. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.520 It was so fun and that's what our girls do, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.760 and that's what I love. That's what I love with 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.120 the Cob Bentley cuff. And I really don't understand why 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.000 the AFL and the afl W and even Eagles and 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.920 Fremantle don't go down and scout talent. I don't understand 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.160 why they don't do that, because yes, the Irish girls, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.120 you know, they come and they bring something else. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.319 But our girl, this is our game, like we're to 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.240 play group. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.640 Yeah, that's what AFL came from. Mark, do your work, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.480 do your history. It's not Gaelic yet. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.400 I want to ask you because you said you know, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.560 you're not afraid to speak up, and you're somebody who 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.800 will you know who educate, you know, and not in 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.839 a way that's like I know everything, but maybe ask 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.199 someone a question to explain something. Was that always your approach, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.520 even when you were younger starting out in the game. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.200 Were you always someone who would you know share you 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.760 know that that side of yourself or was it pressure 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.240 to keep that sort of under wraps. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.720 I think as I've gotten older, and they might sound 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.760 a little bit manipulative, which sort of ties into maybe survivor. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.600 But I always stay true to who I am and 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.880 the way I've worked in male dominated industries. I have 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.079 a shot firing background, I worked in mining seven years, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:58.760 came across the construction so I've been surrounded by men. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.080 But I need them to feel like they're in control 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.120 all the time. And the way that I would do 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.160 that is I love what you do. You're amazing at 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.040 your job. Can you please mental me help me? So 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.400 then that takes away the fear of me being intimidating 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.400 or a threat for them feeling in control and in 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.600 power that they think that they are helping me, even 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:26.120 though I might know what I'm doing. I'm giving, yeah, 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.120 and that's what I've learned to do join them. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.120 but it's not temporary, and all I need is for 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.560 them not to feel threatened, and once they don't feel threatened, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:37.679 I can do whatever I want. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.600 Yeah, let's let's go across the Survivor now that you've 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.959 sort of placed us in that manipulative headspace. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.520 But it's you know what, it's powerful. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.960 It's a strategy that you know that you've used to 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.480 obviously get to where you're at, and you've obviously tested 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:56.360 the waters and it works. 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.600 But in terms. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.480 Of Survivor versus A in that corporate space of white 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:03.720 men CEOs. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:04.960 What was harder? 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.680 Like playing the system of AFL or playing the players 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:10.559 of Survivor. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.240 Well, at least in Survivor, you sort of know what 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.480 you're getting, so you're sort of expecting it, so we're 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.200 all you know, that is very different ball game. But 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.600 the world of AFL is political and the decisions are made. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.520 It's not it's who you know in that space. So 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.120 it doesn't matter how good your ideas are and what 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.600 that looks like, or how good even you are. If 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.760 somebody else is putting somebody else's name for it and 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.679 they've got a contact in there, like it just it 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.400 drives that. So I don't think that the best is 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:42.640 always chosen in that space, and it's hard to manipulate 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.000 when you don't know what else is being said because 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.640 you don't know who else has been talked to. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.679 I spoke to someone yesterday about the AFL and they 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.120 described it as like basically an old wooden ship, that 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.800 it's stiff, it takes a lot of moving parts to 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.520 get it going, and. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.120 That kind of blood could take. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.839 And then you know, we're talking about the sport they're 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.040 involved in, which is like the NBL, where it's like 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.240 a jet skis like zip zips it. We're doing things fast, fast, fast. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.000 I would love for the AFL to be like a 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.240 jet ski per se to get shit done. And I think, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.000 but I know in a world because how long it's 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.120 been going for that it is like a wooden old ship. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.760 It's it's like and it's run by by people that 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.760 have been in those positions for a very long time, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.360 which is stereotypically like and I don't mean this about 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.480 any disrespect, but white old men and they don't know 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.640 the progression of the game and how fast it can 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.840 can be going and is and growing because they're not 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.400 up to date with it. They're up here in the 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.960 clouds and they're not on the ground doing the grassroots. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.000 They don't know what's happening in the grassroots programs, you 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.760 know what I mean. And I think like for me, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.520 like I want I want the game to be like evolving. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.440 I feel like you're right like survivor, you know it 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.000 getting and you know because you're condensed and you're like 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.079 put into like on an island, and you have to 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.680 you know what you're doing and you know the objective 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.120 to win. But then you know, the AFL system is 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.480 like just this moving old ship that's taken forever to 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.920 take one thing to happen. And I think also, I 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.840 don't know, I feel like, yeah, they can promote like 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.640 the Indigenous round and the evolution of like you know, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.240 diversity and inclusion, but I feel like there's some part 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.720 of me that's still like they're just ticking boxes. 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:29.880 Oh do you. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.760 Feel the same, Like like you look at the silly 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.319 Sunday or whatever they did the. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.440 Other day, like mad Monday, the bad Monday. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.200 Right, So if we're if we're looking at respecting of women, inclusion, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.240 all of that, we've got sisters and brothers, the same 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.560 amount of teams playing in this, and then we've got 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:54.000 our brothers dressing up as a convicted rapist and taking 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.520 this blow up toy to a bad Monday. That why 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.760 do you think the bowls expects volumes to the disrespect 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.320 and the culture that we're allowing in the AFL. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:05.960 Exactly. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.480 I think if anyone disrespects women or has any sort 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.199 of charges or any anything towards derogatory, their contract should 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:15.360 be terminated. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:15.959 And they shouldn't play again. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:16.960 They shouldn't play again. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.440 Not they should never be paid to play at that level, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.120 because what it does is allows it to be accepted 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.960 and allows our young boys and young girls to say, well, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:26.920 they can do it. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:27.800 They're a role model. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.440 They're still playing and they're still getting paid to do this, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.680 and their female teammates are expected to just accept it 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.720 and to sort of keep tight lipped. And I know 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.040 how the AFL club sort of work. They don't want 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.120 that negative media. At the same time, don't disrespect your 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.040 female teammates, Like, don't be that. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.200 Who allowed that? That's the thing. And also why is 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.320 a coach not like stepping up and being like bro, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.360 that's not it that a leaders you would never you 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.280 would never. But anyways, talking about survival. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.840 Go back to I just want to say something. I 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.400 think that in the culture of football, you look at 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.040 when it comes to First Nations discrimination and racism, it 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.840 takes a few people from the boys club to speak 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.040 up and say that we're not going to accept this, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.080 you know. And I think that the men need to 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.720 take accountability and if their teammates are doing this these 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.360 fucked up things, they need to step up and they 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.560 need to say mate like and speak out against them. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.080 But you know, it's that boys club mentality. It is 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.480 that misogynistic culture that is so ingrained in them from 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.360 these you know, institutions like the AFL that they feel 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.440 it's actually acceptable. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.760 They should be fined. They should be fined a lot 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.520 of that. They should be on probation, they shouldn't be 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.200 allowed to play. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.800 And they should apologize and they should apologize. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.600 And they also that money that they get fined that 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:49.200 should be going back into programs that are fighting. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.880 You know. So where are the brothers like stand up 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.920 if you see something, say something. I know it's like 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.040 putting it a neck out on the line, but it's 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.120 about creating change. 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.600 And if you know, if the people, the powers that 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.080 be aren't going to do it. You're going to have 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.960 to do it as teammates, like exactly, they need to 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.880 stand up surely. 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.040 Well, speaking of cowards, let's go to Survivors. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.920 Back to Survivor. But you know we're talking about this 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.840 stuff and there's there's also a hint of like politics 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.280 in it, right, and you would never think, like AFL sport, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.840 Why why does it have to be political, Like you know, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.880 we're playing a sport, but because like that level, yes, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.000 it does get a lot of money, a lot of sponsorship, 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.600 a lot of politics. But innately as well, I feel 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.240 like as blackfellows, we talk about this a lot. We 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.920 are political. We do you know, we have to be 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.480 because we have to care. We do care and because 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:45.000 of colonization. When you're going into a game like Survivor, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.680 is it political, Like do you feel like it's like 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.520 a hierarchy and it's like talk about the game with us. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.840 The game is really organic, like it's it's not produced. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:55.280 Yeah. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.200 Yeah, So we go out and we play and we 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.160 literally what you see is what you get it. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.080 So there's no producer saying to you should do this. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.480 No, wow, No, I love that because it allows you 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.760 to be creative to know people and work people. And 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.359 that's the whole reason why I sort of applied because 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.480 I was at a stage in my life where I'd 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:18.440 gone through a breakup. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.680 I had fallen into a bit of depression. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.240 So it's not just from the breakup, but being over here, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:24.680 being by myself as. 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.560 Well, away from home, way from country. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.320 Yeah, yeah, and I just I just felt really alone 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.160 and I started to get out of that. And then 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.280 once I applied, I actually didn't. I've never watched it. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.080 I've only ever watched our season. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.640 See, so I had heard. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.520 I've been watching every country and how. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.280 These motherfuckers get through this, I don't know. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.159 I wouldn't be good because I can't hold a lie in. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.440 You know, I don't lie it. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.720 So the way that I did it was I would 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.200 tell someone I was working with, Say I was working 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.600 with brook for exams. Well, I'm like, oh, you tell 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.360 Ferris or you tell Rachel that we're actually gonna write 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:05.200 this person's I'm done. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:05.840 But that's a lie. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.399 So then I would get Brooks tell on how she 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.480 would lie, So when she would lie to me, I 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:16.440 would see what she's doing, so I would just avoid that. Okay, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.680 that's so good someone how brook lies, which is which 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.160 is what I'm looking for? 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.080 How do I I think I find like I can't 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.520 really lie, but if I am lying to protect someone, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:33.880 I will. I can. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:34.720 It's very different. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.440 It is very different. If it's to protect someone else 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.400 and it's to take care of them because I care 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.000 about them, I can do it. But if it's to 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.000 lie because I'm protecting myself, Fuck, I'm done. Like oh, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.440 it's like like you know, it's it's a bit uncomfortable. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.200 But I've also I feel like it's such a survival 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.200 thing too, like me like not to use the fun 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.679 you know. I feel like in my younger years in 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.040 high school sometimes I had to lie, you know. I 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.080 had to lie to the department to protect my mom. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.680 I had to lie to school teachers to protect my brothers, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:09.959 you know. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.479 And that happens to school saying they're like, what does 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.040 your dad do? My dad didn't work, you know, a 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.080 stick picker on the farm. And I was like, he's 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:18.320 a detective. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.159 Oh my god, yeah, and you'd ted to yeah, we 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.560 talked about this and he got. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.879 Caught when he came to school and they were like, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.160 your dad's really a detective. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:34.160 I was like yes on the cover, so good. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.199 Okay, so you've just gone to worlds, so you've just 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.879 come back. How do you also? Can I ask a 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.440 dumb question? No question is a dumb question. 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:44.160