Speaker 1: Welcome to First things first, I'm brook Blert and my
Speaker 1: pronounce are she and huh.
Speaker 2: I'm Maddie Meals. My pronouns are he and him. And
Speaker 2: before we get started, I'd like to acknowledge the custodians
Speaker 2: of the land on which we record, and for me
Speaker 2: it's the Gaddigal people of the eur.
Speaker 1: Nation and for me it's a roundering people of the
Speaker 1: cooler nations. Let let's get into Well, we've got a
Speaker 1: special guest on today we do love like he's a
Speaker 1: huge Beyonce Disney Child's man. How's we've got Kobe Bentley
Speaker 1: in studio today?
Speaker 3: Mob?
Speaker 1: Yes, who's your mob? Where you're from?
Speaker 4: Yamaji from Western Australia. I grew up in a cracking country.
Speaker 4: It's renowned as cracking country in Mount Barker Country.
Speaker 5: Girl throw cracker country. Okay? Is this because there's a
Speaker 5: lot of white people?
Speaker 3: That's funny?
Speaker 4: No, so not about when the Cracker brothers that Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, I get canceled.
Speaker 3: You can change it.
Speaker 1: So if you don't know Kirby, which baffles me because
Speaker 1: I grew up having you. Majority of my life from
Speaker 1: when I was a little girl came from Canarvin moved
Speaker 1: to Perth. She's an afl W footballer or was is
Speaker 1: still playing? Right?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: God no, truly retired? Yeah, commentating at the moment, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't talk.
Speaker 2: About that, Brooks aage in twenty years you're still playing, right,
Speaker 2: I'm still playing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you sometimes feel like that as well?
Speaker 1: I guess when you watch games you're like, am I
Speaker 1: still yeah? Still playing? Mentally like what the fuck they're doing?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: But you were also on Survivor. I mean tell the people.
Speaker 1: I guess your progression of where where you're from obviously,
Speaker 1: but then also what you've done, because you've done a
Speaker 1: lot girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so being a country girl. We grew up
Speaker 4: in white Australia, Black Australia. There were no other ethnicities,
Speaker 4: so for me, the American accent was just the movies. Like,
Speaker 4: I was pretty naive, right, So I grew up around racism.
Speaker 4: I started to hear it and experience it from both
Speaker 4: sides too, like, and it's uncomfortable because you start to
Speaker 4: think about who am I and where do I sort
Speaker 4: of sit with that? And I was very lucky that
Speaker 4: both parents are Aboriginal. Both the New Ya yamage and
Speaker 4: they are proud of who they are. So they instilled
Speaker 4: some really good, strong values and I was, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: So grateful for that.
Speaker 4: But my fast track journey I started playing National League netball.
Speaker 4: I played netball when I was fourteen, made my first
Speaker 4: state team when I was fourteen in State Under seventeens,
Speaker 4: and then ended up making my National League netball team
Speaker 4: Perthoreols which is now West Coast Fever when I was sixteen.
Speaker 4: So I was year eleven twelve doing that all Australian
Speaker 4: throughout my entire netball career. And then two thousand and
Speaker 4: nine my mum sister taken from US domestic violence and
Speaker 4: that sort of shifted everything in my life. And actually,
Speaker 4: you know, my middle sisters playing AFL, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to step into her world and get to know her.
Speaker 4: So that's where my footy journey started. So almost repeated
Speaker 4: the same thing in AFL, played every highest level team
Speaker 4: all Australian, capped the.
Speaker 3: Most sides as well. Yeah, so I was pretty lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kobe is a humble queen, but she doesn't realize
Speaker 1: how much of an impact she has had in AFL.
Speaker 1: I had played in this club called the Kobe Bentley Club,
Speaker 1: which a lot of the young Indigenous girls come through,
Speaker 1: and that's where sort of their footy careers first kind
Speaker 1: of like they get to play a part of a
Speaker 1: team and they play a carnival. And I think that
Speaker 1: for me was like a huge thing of like, wow,
Speaker 1: there are so many girls that play footy, and having
Speaker 1: Kobe's name is like, oh my god, she's like a celebrity,
Speaker 1: you know, Like and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, fifteen, yeah, and I've idolized you from pretty
Speaker 1: much day dot and football for me, and I feel
Speaker 1: like this is thanks to the people that shaped my
Speaker 1: football career, but also it shaped my life. And I
Speaker 1: think like people don't realize how much football does for
Speaker 1: people in community and it just any sport, hey, because
Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's a mob thing, but
Speaker 1: like it brings us all together and we like really
Speaker 1: love our footy, but we don't just love it just
Speaker 1: for the actual sport itself. We love what it yeah,
Speaker 1: what it brings. I think for you, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just having a strong black female football role
Speaker 1: model that I was like, I want to be like her,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to be playing good footy. I
Speaker 1: want to be respected like you. And I also loved
Speaker 1: how hands on you were with all the Indigenous girls
Speaker 1: as well, and you called shit out.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, and I obviously I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: That's the impact that I have and had on people,
Speaker 4: because I want our women and our young girls to
Speaker 4: be who whoever they want to be, and I'm comfortable
Speaker 4: with who I am. Like I will always call somebody
Speaker 4: out or ask a question that is uncomfortable, that sounds silly,
Speaker 4: especially at training. I'd be like, oh, what do you
Speaker 4: mean when you're saying this, Like, even if I know
Speaker 4: the answer, I know that somebody doesn't.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be you know.
Speaker 4: That know it all, but I need to empower others
Speaker 4: to be able to be in that place. But I
Speaker 4: am grateful that I have had that sort of impact
Speaker 4: on you and you're doing that now and I love that.
Speaker 4: And I love seeing our queens and our kings like
Speaker 4: drive those changes because that is all of Hawa.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I love that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you, like, when you get to a
Speaker 2: certain level, you're obviously at the top level of your field.
Speaker 2: You know, like, if you've ticked it all off, does
Speaker 2: it feel like you think it's going to feel? Because
Speaker 2: for me, I feel like even the little things that
Speaker 2: I've achieved in my career and their success, I feel
Speaker 2: like it never feels how you think it's going to feel.
Speaker 5: Is that the same for you?
Speaker 4: What I've found in both netball and football, even if
Speaker 4: I was actually the best player, I was always brought
Speaker 4: down a notch for some reason and I wasn't sort
Speaker 4: of the accolades sort of didn't meet where I was at.
Speaker 4: And that's fine, that's so cool. But I've started to
Speaker 4: realize that not everyone wants you to excel. And I
Speaker 4: played the game because I love it. I played both
Speaker 4: games because I love it. And I always talk about
Speaker 4: walking in three worlds. So we live in the white world,
Speaker 4: and it's so prominent, right. I know that I'm black,
Speaker 4: and I'm so proud to be that. But in a
Speaker 4: sporting arena, I can be both because I'm good at
Speaker 4: sport and my white counterparts need me to be a
Speaker 4: part of that team, so I can mix in that space.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's interesting. It's I've always been driven to
Speaker 4: be the best I can be. Yeah, not to be
Speaker 4: the best out of everyone, Like I don't know what
Speaker 4: that is.
Speaker 1: I would say one Kirby is one of the most
Speaker 1: elite afl W players, Like she played in all of
Speaker 1: these state matches, the exhibition when AFLW didn't even fucking exist,
Speaker 1: and she was the one that drove the comp And
Speaker 1: that's a lot to carry on your back, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's a lot, Like that is massive. Like Kirby's name
Speaker 1: was getting thrown out here, there and everywhere when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and it's only ever and it's still like,
Speaker 1: you know, to this day. But like I don't feel
Speaker 1: like there was always this like you were at the
Speaker 1: top of your game and you were playing, but you
Speaker 1: still weren't like you you're the best in my eyes,
Speaker 1: but there was always like a focus or like an
Speaker 1: elevation of other players that were non Indigenous, And that
Speaker 1: just fucking drove me mad because I'm like, this woman
Speaker 1: has a fucking up named after fox. I think all
Speaker 1: of our Indigenous girls at play afl W huge talent.
Speaker 1: I think you put any of these Indigenous girls on
Speaker 1: a field, they will show up every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that's that's what I love about our sport,
Speaker 4: like we are creative, we are talented, we actually work hard,
Speaker 4: but because we make things look effortless, that the stereotypical
Speaker 4: like opinion of us is that it's just natural that.
Speaker 1: We don't work hard for it.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of.
Speaker 4: The work that I did was behind the scenes, Like
Speaker 4: I worked my ass off to be the most skillful player,
Speaker 4: and I was clean and everything that I did was perfected.
Speaker 1: They literally say Kirby magic, black magic.
Speaker 5: But it was.
Speaker 4: It was so fun and that's what our girls do,
Speaker 4: and that's what I love. That's what I love with
Speaker 4: the Cob Bentley cuff. And I really don't understand why
Speaker 4: the AFL and the afl W and even Eagles and
Speaker 4: Fremantle don't go down and scout talent. I don't understand
Speaker 4: why they don't do that, because yes, the Irish girls,
Speaker 4: you know, they come and they bring something else.
Speaker 3: But our girl, this is our game, like we're to
Speaker 3: play group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what AFL came from. Mark, do your work,
Speaker 1: do your history. It's not Gaelic yet.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you because you said you know,
Speaker 2: you're not afraid to speak up, and you're somebody who
Speaker 2: will you know who educate, you know, and not in
Speaker 2: a way that's like I know everything, but maybe ask
Speaker 2: someone a question to explain something. Was that always your approach,
Speaker 2: even when you were younger starting out in the game.
Speaker 2: Were you always someone who would you know share you
Speaker 2: know that that side of yourself or was it pressure
Speaker 2: to keep that sort of under wraps.
Speaker 4: I think as I've gotten older, and they might sound
Speaker 4: a little bit manipulative, which sort of ties into maybe survivor.
Speaker 4: But I always stay true to who I am and
Speaker 4: the way I've worked in male dominated industries. I have
Speaker 4: a shot firing background, I worked in mining seven years,
Speaker 4: came across the construction so I've been surrounded by men.
Speaker 4: But I need them to feel like they're in control
Speaker 4: all the time. And the way that I would do
Speaker 4: that is I love what you do. You're amazing at
Speaker 4: your job. Can you please mental me help me? So
Speaker 4: then that takes away the fear of me being intimidating
Speaker 4: or a threat for them feeling in control and in
Speaker 4: power that they think that they are helping me, even
Speaker 4: though I might know what I'm doing. I'm giving, yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's what I've learned to do join them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's not temporary, and all I need is for
Speaker 4: them not to feel threatened, and once they don't feel threatened,
Speaker 4: I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's go across the Survivor now that you've
Speaker 2: sort of placed us in that manipulative headspace.
Speaker 5: But it's you know what, it's powerful.
Speaker 2: It's a strategy that you know that you've used to
Speaker 2: obviously get to where you're at, and you've obviously tested
Speaker 2: the waters and it works.
Speaker 5: But in terms.
Speaker 2: Of Survivor versus A in that corporate space of white
Speaker 2: men CEOs.
Speaker 5: What was harder?
Speaker 2: Like playing the system of AFL or playing the players
Speaker 2: of Survivor.
Speaker 4: Well, at least in Survivor, you sort of know what
Speaker 4: you're getting, so you're sort of expecting it, so we're
Speaker 4: all you know, that is very different ball game. But
Speaker 4: the world of AFL is political and the decisions are made.
Speaker 4: It's not it's who you know in that space. So
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how good your ideas are and what
Speaker 4: that looks like, or how good even you are. If
Speaker 4: somebody else is putting somebody else's name for it and
Speaker 4: they've got a contact in there, like it just it
Speaker 4: drives that. So I don't think that the best is
Speaker 4: always chosen in that space, and it's hard to manipulate
Speaker 4: when you don't know what else is being said because
Speaker 4: you don't know who else has been talked to.
Speaker 1: I spoke to someone yesterday about the AFL and they
Speaker 1: described it as like basically an old wooden ship, that
Speaker 1: it's stiff, it takes a lot of moving parts to
Speaker 1: get it going, and.
Speaker 5: That kind of blood could take.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we're talking about the sport they're
Speaker 1: involved in, which is like the NBL, where it's like
Speaker 1: a jet skis like zip zips it. We're doing things fast, fast, fast.
Speaker 1: I would love for the AFL to be like a
Speaker 1: jet ski per se to get shit done. And I think,
Speaker 1: but I know in a world because how long it's
Speaker 1: been going for that it is like a wooden old ship.
Speaker 1: It's it's like and it's run by by people that
Speaker 1: have been in those positions for a very long time,
Speaker 1: which is stereotypically like and I don't mean this about
Speaker 1: any disrespect, but white old men and they don't know
Speaker 1: the progression of the game and how fast it can
Speaker 1: can be going and is and growing because they're not
Speaker 1: up to date with it. They're up here in the
Speaker 1: clouds and they're not on the ground doing the grassroots.
Speaker 1: They don't know what's happening in the grassroots programs, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think like for me,
Speaker 1: like I want I want the game to be like evolving.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're right like survivor, you know it
Speaker 1: getting and you know because you're condensed and you're like
Speaker 1: put into like on an island, and you have to
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing and you know the objective
Speaker 1: to win. But then you know, the AFL system is
Speaker 1: like just this moving old ship that's taken forever to
Speaker 1: take one thing to happen. And I think also, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like, yeah, they can promote like
Speaker 1: the Indigenous round and the evolution of like you know,
Speaker 1: diversity and inclusion, but I feel like there's some part
Speaker 1: of me that's still like they're just ticking boxes.
Speaker 3: Oh do you.
Speaker 4: Feel the same, Like like you look at the silly
Speaker 4: Sunday or whatever they did the.
Speaker 1: Other day, like mad Monday, the bad Monday.
Speaker 4: Right, So if we're if we're looking at respecting of women, inclusion,
Speaker 4: all of that, we've got sisters and brothers, the same
Speaker 4: amount of teams playing in this, and then we've got
Speaker 4: our brothers dressing up as a convicted rapist and taking
Speaker 4: this blow up toy to a bad Monday. That why
Speaker 4: do you think the bowls expects volumes to the disrespect
Speaker 4: and the culture that we're allowing in the AFL.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 4: I think if anyone disrespects women or has any sort
Speaker 4: of charges or any anything towards derogatory, their contract should
Speaker 4: be terminated.
Speaker 1: And they shouldn't play again.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't play again.
Speaker 4: Not they should never be paid to play at that level,
Speaker 4: because what it does is allows it to be accepted
Speaker 4: and allows our young boys and young girls to say, well,
Speaker 4: they can do it.
Speaker 3: They're a role model.
Speaker 4: They're still playing and they're still getting paid to do this,
Speaker 4: and their female teammates are expected to just accept it
Speaker 4: and to sort of keep tight lipped. And I know
Speaker 4: how the AFL club sort of work. They don't want
Speaker 4: that negative media. At the same time, don't disrespect your
Speaker 4: female teammates, Like, don't be that.
Speaker 1: Who allowed that? That's the thing. And also why is
Speaker 1: a coach not like stepping up and being like bro,
Speaker 1: that's not it that a leaders you would never you
Speaker 1: would never. But anyways, talking about survival.
Speaker 2: Go back to I just want to say something. I
Speaker 2: think that in the culture of football, you look at
Speaker 2: when it comes to First Nations discrimination and racism, it
Speaker 2: takes a few people from the boys club to speak
Speaker 2: up and say that we're not going to accept this,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think that the men need to
Speaker 2: take accountability and if their teammates are doing this these
Speaker 2: fucked up things, they need to step up and they
Speaker 2: need to say mate like and speak out against them.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's that boys club mentality. It is
Speaker 2: that misogynistic culture that is so ingrained in them from
Speaker 2: these you know, institutions like the AFL that they feel
Speaker 2: it's actually acceptable.
Speaker 1: They should be fined. They should be fined a lot
Speaker 1: of that. They should be on probation, they shouldn't be
Speaker 1: allowed to play.
Speaker 3: And they should apologize and they should apologize.
Speaker 1: And they also that money that they get fined that
Speaker 1: should be going back into programs that are fighting.
Speaker 2: You know. So where are the brothers like stand up
Speaker 2: if you see something, say something. I know it's like
Speaker 2: putting it a neck out on the line, but it's
Speaker 2: about creating change.
Speaker 5: And if you know, if the people, the powers that
Speaker 5: be aren't going to do it. You're going to have
Speaker 5: to do it as teammates, like exactly, they need to
Speaker 5: stand up surely.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of cowards, let's go to Survivors.
Speaker 1: Back to Survivor. But you know we're talking about this
Speaker 1: stuff and there's there's also a hint of like politics
Speaker 1: in it, right, and you would never think, like AFL sport,
Speaker 1: Why why does it have to be political, Like you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing a sport, but because like that level, yes,
Speaker 1: it does get a lot of money, a lot of sponsorship,
Speaker 1: a lot of politics. But innately as well, I feel
Speaker 1: like as blackfellows, we talk about this a lot. We
Speaker 1: are political. We do you know, we have to be
Speaker 1: because we have to care. We do care and because
Speaker 1: of colonization. When you're going into a game like Survivor,
Speaker 1: is it political, Like do you feel like it's like
Speaker 1: a hierarchy and it's like talk about the game with us.
Speaker 3: The game is really organic, like it's it's not produced.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we go out and we play and we
Speaker 4: literally what you see is what you get it.
Speaker 5: So there's no producer saying to you should do this.
Speaker 4: No, wow, No, I love that because it allows you
Speaker 4: to be creative to know people and work people. And
Speaker 4: that's the whole reason why I sort of applied because
Speaker 4: I was at a stage in my life where I'd
Speaker 4: gone through a breakup.
Speaker 3: I had fallen into a bit of depression.
Speaker 4: So it's not just from the breakup, but being over here,
Speaker 4: being by myself as.
Speaker 1: Well, away from home, way from country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I just I just felt really alone
Speaker 4: and I started to get out of that. And then
Speaker 4: once I applied, I actually didn't. I've never watched it.
Speaker 4: I've only ever watched our season.
Speaker 6: See, so I had heard.
Speaker 5: I've been watching every country and how.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers get through this, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be good because I can't hold a lie in.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't lie it.
Speaker 4: So the way that I did it was I would
Speaker 4: tell someone I was working with, Say I was working
Speaker 4: with brook for exams. Well, I'm like, oh, you tell
Speaker 4: Ferris or you tell Rachel that we're actually gonna write
Speaker 4: this person's I'm done.
Speaker 3: But that's a lie.
Speaker 4: So then I would get Brooks tell on how she
Speaker 4: would lie, So when she would lie to me, I
Speaker 4: would see what she's doing, so I would just avoid that. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's so good someone how brook lies, which is which
Speaker 4: is what I'm looking for?
Speaker 1: How do I I think I find like I can't
Speaker 1: really lie, but if I am lying to protect someone,
Speaker 1: I will. I can.
Speaker 3: It's very different.
Speaker 1: It is very different. If it's to protect someone else
Speaker 1: and it's to take care of them because I care
Speaker 1: about them, I can do it. But if it's to
Speaker 1: lie because I'm protecting myself, Fuck, I'm done. Like oh,
Speaker 1: it's like like you know, it's it's a bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But I've also I feel like it's such a survival
Speaker 1: thing too, like me like not to use the fun
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like in my younger years in
Speaker 1: high school sometimes I had to lie, you know. I
Speaker 1: had to lie to the department to protect my mom.
Speaker 1: I had to lie to school teachers to protect my brothers,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And that happens to school saying they're like, what does
Speaker 2: your dad do? My dad didn't work, you know, a
Speaker 2: stick picker on the farm. And I was like, he's
Speaker 2: a detective.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, and you'd ted to yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked about this and he got.
Speaker 2: Caught when he came to school and they were like,
Speaker 2: your dad's really a detective.
Speaker 5: I was like yes on the cover, so good.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've just gone to worlds, so you've just
Speaker 1: come back. How do you also? Can I ask a
Speaker 1: dumb question? No question is a dumb question.
Speaker 5: What do you need?
Speaker 1: Like I've been asked to a survivor, but I have
Speaker 1: also rejected it many times because I just don't think
Speaker 1: that I could starve myself.
Speaker 4: Well, technically you don't starve yourself, and that would never
Speaker 4: let that happen, right, perfect, But they give you a raising,
Speaker 4: they give you enough Russians.
Speaker 3: For to feed your tribe. So there's fourteen on a tribe.
Speaker 4: There's rice and there's beans, and our first three days
Speaker 4: it rained, we had no shelter, which meant that we're wet.
Speaker 4: There was no wood to light fires, which means we
Speaker 4: didn't eat. So you can't cook food with wet wood, right,
Speaker 4: So it's on you whether you cook it, whether you
Speaker 4: eat it, whether you don't. And there's coconuts like you
Speaker 4: can eat. You're obviously really hungry, and you smell so bad.
Speaker 3: Not today you smell.
Speaker 2: So there's no light coming in with the quick fix
Speaker 2: and the producers going, we've got a little gas.
Speaker 3: Stoutely, no rude no, so whatever.
Speaker 1: So we're shaving. Can you shave?
Speaker 4: No, you can't brush your teeth. You can't shave. There's
Speaker 4: no soap. If you lose your clothes, you lose your clothes.
Speaker 3: That's all you have made.
Speaker 1: Won't last.
Speaker 4: So we take we take seven items or nine items,
Speaker 4: and if you lose them, like one of our contestants
Speaker 4: throw another contestants close out.
Speaker 3: That's all she had, so she.
Speaker 4: Was missing strategic I don't know if they liked each
Speaker 4: other that much. Oh so yeah, she ended up throwing
Speaker 4: it out and Kelly Jo names, I can't find my
Speaker 4: clothes anywhere, and I think someone's throwing them out. I
Speaker 4: was like, I think someone's throwing them out as well.
Speaker 4: And we're freezing out als off too. So she's standing
Speaker 4: in like her baby bottoms and Raymond's T shirt. So
Speaker 4: that's all the clothes. So once they're gone, they don't
Speaker 4: get replaced. Nothing gets replaced. I burned socks by accident.
Speaker 4: They didn't get replaced and it gets cold. But I
Speaker 4: recommend playing it though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In terms of the crew, so bird's eye view, there's
Speaker 2: a camp and then is there like producers and TV
Speaker 2: directors and everyone around set.
Speaker 4: You know, there's there's a camera with a producer like obviously,
Speaker 4: because that's how they catch us, catch the filming, and
Speaker 4: we're not at a talk without that a camera. Otherwise
Speaker 4: the game isn't played right because they don't get to
Speaker 4: pick up on any conversations that might have been had
Speaker 4: that results in somebody leaving for example.
Speaker 3: Yea, so no camera, no talking.
Speaker 1: How many cameras too, Oh, it could be up to
Speaker 1: like six seven, quite a few, yeah, getting every one's conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 2: In terms of the idols, are they like strategically placed
Speaker 2: and you can see them putting them there?
Speaker 5: Or no?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not because I'm a tracker and I could not
Speaker 4: find one.
Speaker 3: I looked and I needed one. I needed five of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I couldn't find them anyway to save myself.
Speaker 5: So wow, I was just.
Speaker 3: Relying on my gameplay and my manipulation. Yeah, and people like.
Speaker 1: Went you went far, like you went top five? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then who got you out?
Speaker 3: I was very lucky.
Speaker 4: I managed to play big and be able to step back,
Speaker 4: and people wanted to, you know, play their game as well,
Speaker 4: So I sort of moved in ebbs and flows with that,
Speaker 4: and then eventually I got to a tribal council. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you watched it, Maddie, but Alex started
Speaker 4: to just be like Kirby's the biggest player, and I
Speaker 4: was like, shut your mouth, Alex, you need to keep
Speaker 4: your lips tight like what I were doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wish, I wish I could, but no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he just threw me under the table completely,
Speaker 4: and then from then they just wanted me gone. So
Speaker 4: I was relying on winning necklaces and yes, staying on
Speaker 4: top of things. But I ended up getting to the
Speaker 4: fifth last tribal council and Ferris was going to play
Speaker 4: his idol for me up until he had said I'm
Speaker 4: not scared of Kirby, like I wouldn't flinch, and then
Speaker 4: he looked at at the jury villa and they all
Speaker 4: looked at each other like he's nuts, like absolutely, you
Speaker 4: should be flinching, And then I think he backtracked so.
Speaker 1: Would hang down and then yeah, wow, worlds, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: terms of worlds, what can.
Speaker 5: You tell us?
Speaker 2: What can you anything different about the game? I mean
Speaker 2: it's Survivor people from all over the world, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: It's World Survivor seven Australian seven World players and it
Speaker 4: was fast play, it was filmed. The entire game was
Speaker 4: sixteen days and it was hectic. It was so much fun.
Speaker 3: Sixteen days yeah, two weeks just yeah.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: So Queen Kirby and King George, how did they go?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you guys were a big rather well no, no,
Speaker 6: so King George actually helped Ferris like sort of mentor
Speaker 6: mentored him prior to going out.
Speaker 4: They're not like I didn't know anyone when I went.
Speaker 4: My sole goal was not to get voted off first.
Speaker 5: That was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Black Fellows always do like Black Fellows die first.
Speaker 2: If I ever done a reality TV show in my
Speaker 2: contract will be not the first step.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to play well. I will have to
Speaker 4: go out there with bloodsbee water or something.
Speaker 5: Oh my life.
Speaker 2: I would love to, but I would also just be hilarious,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like when I mean hilarious, like they'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, this black volition, now to survive and
Speaker 2: can I get a towel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Blankett the hair dry.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean I really want to do it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I will like take a bit of
Speaker 1: Kirby mentality into that game. I'll be like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: here surviving. Literally, I've been surviving for sixty thousand blush the.
Speaker 2: Big spill at the end, I mean sixty thousand plus
Speaker 2: years were.
Speaker 1: Running through my veins.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I.
Speaker 5: Shrinking my country, my land.
Speaker 1: I want to do it. I feel like I will
Speaker 1: in my career. I feel like eventually been dancing with
Speaker 1: the stars. Maybe justaking.
Speaker 4: Are built for survived, we are resilient the things that
Speaker 4: we deal with on a day to day basis like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're built for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you would know you've copped it like you Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know to the full extent, but
Speaker 1: the fact that you, well, one, you're in father, you
Speaker 1: went to Worlds. You one of the most elite afl
Speaker 1: W players, you coached. You also have a business as well.
Speaker 1: What's your business called again.
Speaker 4: It's called Jokin meaning sisters. It's a hybrid generator dry higher.
Speaker 4: So obviously, yeah, we want to protect the land in
Speaker 4: the country. So we're going down that environmental generators.
Speaker 1: My land, my country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my girl, my sustainability.
Speaker 1: I mean, and all of those you know, spaces and
Speaker 1: you said you worked in mining, I know because I
Speaker 1: actually lived with Kirby's sister and it was her ex's house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got shifted, we.
Speaker 1: Got kicked out. I'm in I mean, but yeah, they
Speaker 1: just they used to do five phone and I used
Speaker 1: to live in the house by by myself for two
Speaker 1: weeks and then they'd come back, and then you know,
Speaker 1: it was like and then that's the thing, Like our
Speaker 1: community is so small, and I forget about this. I
Speaker 1: don't forget, to be fair, I never forget, but like
Speaker 1: I remember these moments like you took me in, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't even your house, you know, and I would
Speaker 1: like I didn't have a home, like you know, so
Speaker 1: like all these little things that you're doing in the
Speaker 1: background on top of all of these other things.
Speaker 3: But you are right.
Speaker 1: We are fucking resilient. And I think survivors Black Fellows
Speaker 1: were built for survival, Like should it should be our game?
Speaker 1: And I think more Black fellows need to do it,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's so sick to see like like
Speaker 1: I was like, imagine mob against mob, you know, like
Speaker 1: the Drives.
Speaker 2: It should be all blacks versus all stars.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, But I was like I'm here because
Speaker 1: Kirby was here.
Speaker 2: Basically what it was like in this in Australia, so segregation.
Speaker 3: Mixed tribes because I couldn't. I don't think I could vote.
Speaker 4: I know that's the hardest me for some reason.
Speaker 1: Anyways, what do you what are you up to now? Like,
Speaker 1: obviously business as usual worlds will come out in.
Speaker 4: So I think Season ten will come out normal time.
Speaker 4: I think fed slot and then there's another show and
Speaker 4: then nothing is ours. We haven't, nothing's been confirmed with it,
Speaker 4: but the world to be able to go on a
Speaker 4: World Survivor being the only black fella, I wore an
Speaker 4: Aboriginal flag jumper like front and center every tribal council.
Speaker 4: I was so proud to be representing our people in
Speaker 4: a tribe like that and like and I love that
Speaker 4: they're Australian driven. But our country is so divided and
Speaker 4: I am to some extent, I am sort of proud
Speaker 4: to be a shamed but on the other side, like
Speaker 4: I'm not because we just are not inclusive. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I just wanted to show our people, show the country
Speaker 4: and show the world who we are, how smart we
Speaker 4: can be and how fun we can be. Like I
Speaker 4: pulled the piss out of some of these people out
Speaker 4: here just for a laugh from my own self.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just to be able to do that is powerful.
Speaker 4: But stepping away from that and the opportunity is that
Speaker 4: I hope come from that and creating conversation is really
Speaker 4: important to me. Doing it when no one's looking, that's invaluable,
Speaker 4: and that's where it's powerful because we don't need an audience.
Speaker 4: We just need people to buy in and listen and
Speaker 4: listen respectfully.
Speaker 1: And then want to follow that work as well. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like want to like want to want to make that change.
Speaker 1: But it does suck that we have to get that
Speaker 1: buy in, Like it's like, oh fox sake, but.
Speaker 3: We know that don't really do. That's why we have
Speaker 3: these just keep going.
Speaker 1: You know, we're on the tracks. We're still going like
Speaker 1: either or or off. Like you know that's how I
Speaker 1: kind of jump because we'll leave you like jump, There's
Speaker 1: fine anyway, it's like screw you. But like I think
Speaker 1: the same thing, Like, but I guess I feel the
Speaker 1: same way with the representation. Like even wearing the flag
Speaker 1: jumper was so powerful and I wore the shirt in
Speaker 1: the first season of Bachelor, yea, but even I couldn't
Speaker 1: even like wear that flag shirt because we didn't even
Speaker 1: know the rights to the flag more recently, which is
Speaker 1: kind of fuck to think. Like, I just I feel
Speaker 1: like our flag is gonna be everywhere soon. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be on every fucking mainstream television show and I
Speaker 1: can't wait.
Speaker 4: But it starts like and I remember seeing on The
Speaker 4: Bachelor that made me so proud. And what I love
Speaker 4: is that you present and you represent and you hold
Speaker 4: yourself so well. And I need my nieces and nephews
Speaker 4: to see what they can be because we don't see
Speaker 4: enough of that. We don't it's all sport and other
Speaker 4: than that, it's on the news so and if it's
Speaker 4: not that, it's in social media, which is not reflected well,
Speaker 4: so to see you and like our other women, like
Speaker 4: even a catch from her background, Like I need my
Speaker 4: nieces and nephews to.
Speaker 3: Know who that woman is. She's because she's a powerhouse.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's another reason why I sort of wanted
Speaker 4: to go on it, because I wanted to shift the
Speaker 4: narrative on a lot of things. But I work for JIRA,
Speaker 4: which is Aboriginal Women, domestic Violence and child Protection, and
Speaker 4: obviously it's a really difficult space to be in. But
Speaker 4: seventy to seventy five percent of the offenders are white men.
Speaker 4: But people don't know that. They think it's just a
Speaker 4: cultural thing, and that's not culture.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So being able to have these conversations and to
Speaker 4: be able to put it on the table is invaluable.
Speaker 4: But it's just the willingness to hear it or to
Speaker 4: listen or to be engaged in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to see you on Like the Worlds. I
Speaker 2: feel like I also know that you're The conversation that
Speaker 2: you have on that show are going to be you know,
Speaker 2: great for the rest of the population to tune into.
Speaker 5: So oh I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait deadly hopefully hopefully I've done our people proud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be no doubt.
Speaker 4: It'd be controversial because I am wearing the flag and
Speaker 4: not every jarling is going to buy into that. And
Speaker 4: you know, I'm there to play for shat and I'm
Speaker 4: the core of as a black woman exactly.
Speaker 1: Make well, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: Thank you both.
Speaker 1: Always such a pleasure.
Speaker 3: I likely I love these conversations.
Speaker 2: And black follows get to laugh together. Black joy is
Speaker 2: like so healing.
Speaker 3: Yes in the company, Yeah yes.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, guys, and I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode. If you want to go check
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Speaker 5: Hey at Kirby Bentley.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much Kirby for being with us today. Thank