Speaker 1: The Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, James, Happy Thursday. So much to get to tonight,
Speaker 2: including it's fun.
Speaker 3: What's happening right now with parts of the.
Speaker 2: Media turning on Albo Now, the Prime Minister has had
Speaker 2: a chockra of a year. He went for a reset
Speaker 2: after a choker of a year last year, yet of
Speaker 2: course it didn't work out. The bookies say the Peter
Speaker 2: Dutman's favorite to be the next prime minister, and increasingly
Speaker 2: the feeling is that Alba might not be able to
Speaker 2: even pull off a minority government. Of course, it all
Speaker 2: happens when it comes to the teals. But as you know,
Speaker 2: the media have always given the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: to this bloke because they hated the last bloke.
Speaker 3: Now you could say that's because.
Speaker 2: They generally speaking don't like the right of center or
Speaker 2: the liberal, let alone a conservative. But these guys have
Speaker 2: always given the government the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3: We have called it out on this.
Speaker 2: Show the whole way through too little, too late. Tax
Speaker 2: cuts were too little and were too late. We saw
Speaker 2: that when this government took fifteen hundred dollars off ten
Speaker 2: million workers at the height of twenty twenty threes cost
Speaker 2: of living crisis. We saw that for the problem that
Speaker 2: it was, the media pretended that it didn't really even happen.
Speaker 2: And there have been many examples, many examples that when
Speaker 2: all else fails, blame Dutton.
Speaker 4: You said, in your own words, this was a test
Speaker 4: of your leadership.
Speaker 1: So have you failed that test?
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't you stay as leader? It was branded a racist.
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is being blasted this morning.
Speaker 3: You have been criticized for being racist.
Speaker 2: The opposition leader has been branded as heartless and racist.
Speaker 4: Can you understand that this it could be divisive and
Speaker 4: inflame tension.
Speaker 5: To many voters.
Speaker 6: The former Defense, Immigration and Home Affairs Minister is a
Speaker 6: hard head, a public image his own colleagues concede is problematic.
Speaker 7: Now he's unleashing attack lines and what he claimed would
Speaker 7: be the most radical change to Australian democracy.
Speaker 2: And then, of course the apex of all of it
Speaker 2: was the absolutely independent, taxpayer funded commentator. Because they're allowed
Speaker 2: to be both straight reporters and commentators. Sorry, analysis pieces
Speaker 2: is what they write. When I made lefty Lord Tingle
Speaker 2: sitting there with nasty Nikki Sava at one of the
Speaker 2: book fairs around the country, Well just opines that. For
Speaker 2: Peter Utton to talk about immigration and the need to
Speaker 2: cut it because there's not enough houses, because there's not
Speaker 2: enough services, well of course that's all racist, even of
Speaker 2: course that famous dog whistle that could be heard around
Speaker 2: the country of her fear of how evil conservatives would
Speaker 2: turn on anyone who doesn't look like them.
Speaker 8: For a major point the Core University saying, as Nicky says,
Speaker 8: you know everything that's going role in this country is
Speaker 8: because of my grants and this way. Shouldn't people to
Speaker 8: out to try to read a property or in an
Speaker 8: auction and they looked a bit different?
Speaker 9: What have you to find different?
Speaker 8: As basically he has given them license to the abused.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, the person sitting next to a nasty
Speaker 2: Nicki Sava and oh hasn't she been.
Speaker 3: Part of the hating on conservatives?
Speaker 2: You know she was a Costello liberal and a turnable
Speaker 2: liberal and anything else other than that, Oh, they most terrible, terrible, terrible.
Speaker 2: She's written analysis pieces like this in the channel on newspapers.
Speaker 2: Next we Alberonizi done in his labour's greatest asset. So
Speaker 2: she was quite the fan, so much so that even
Speaker 2: when people were doing freedom of information requests to see
Speaker 2: who the Prime Minister has been meeting with, because despite
Speaker 2: the promise of being a transparent leader, you had to
Speaker 2: pay for the right to be able to even ask
Speaker 2: his offers who he has been meeting with. And let's
Speaker 2: read what the result of that was. The inner sanctum
Speaker 2: of those that have been given access to the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister in his first days in office one on one meetings,
Speaker 2: including with The Guardian's political editor Catherine Murphy, the Cydney
Speaker 2: Morning Herald columnist Nicki Sava, so she's number two.
Speaker 3: And then of course Peter.
Speaker 2: Hartcher James was Sola Pvo back when he was a
Speaker 2: Channel ten, Channel seven's political editor and the foreign editor
Speaker 2: of the Australian Greek Sheridan. But the number one seed
Speaker 2: in the Albo fan club. Well, she went on to
Speaker 2: work for Anthony albernizi Murfheru. Of course she couldn't just
Speaker 2: objectively report. She had to become part of the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's press office, which means, according to this list, second
Speaker 2: cab off the rank is there, I mate nasty Nicky
Speaker 2: Sava and these people were all excited because this guy
Speaker 2: was going to rule forever. The Prime Minister had a
Speaker 2: dirt unit which was going to dig up everything. When
Speaker 2: it comes to Peter Dutton, well, guess who turned today
Speaker 2: on Anthony Albanesi Old nasty Nikki Sava, the second seed
Speaker 2: in the private interviews with the Prime Minister when he
Speaker 2: first came to office. If Alberzi wins the next election,
Speaker 2: he should celebrate, then step aside, she says, within twelve
Speaker 2: months of the result. If there is a minority or
Speaker 2: a majority, but anything other than a labor loss, he's
Speaker 2: gone or should leave of his own accord within twelve months.
Speaker 2: If Anthony Abernezi wins the next election to govern, either
Speaker 2: a majority or a minority, he should after a decent
Speaker 2: interval one year. She said that on radio this afternoon.
Speaker 3: Retire so Labour can regenerate.
Speaker 2: If Alberzi loses next year, which once seemed improbable and
Speaker 2: now possible, obviously he's finished.
Speaker 3: There'll be a blood bath. He'll be the one to
Speaker 3: blame all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Now, What an extraordinary turnaround from a media that let
Speaker 2: this guy get away with anything when he was the
Speaker 2: opposition leader, who let him pretend. Oh, I'm completely positive.
Speaker 2: When it comes to dealing with the pandemic, while of
Speaker 2: course every opportunity to put the ship in to every
Speaker 2: decision that was being made, voting for the end of
Speaker 2: job keeper, while winging about the end of job keeper,
Speaker 2: promising to do something about cost of living, yet cost
Speaker 2: of living become demonstrably worse since becoming Prime minister. The
Speaker 2: bloke from the Housing Commission joint, who understood the working class,
Speaker 2: who just buys the joint for four and a bit
Speaker 2: million dollars for when he eventually needs a spare house
Speaker 2: at a time when millions of people are struggling to
Speaker 2: pay off their home. Now we've made this point from
Speaker 2: before this bloke became the Prime minister. We saw this
Speaker 2: disaster coming and on the front line of it every
Speaker 2: day since he became Prime Minister. Now, before we all
Speaker 2: get too carried away, I still believe that, if I
Speaker 2: have to bet, most likely outcome of the next federal
Speaker 2: election is a massive improvement for the coalition, but most
Speaker 2: likely the Teal seats most of them staying, meaning that
Speaker 2: the government will be in a position to form a
Speaker 2: minority government. And because most of the people on the
Speaker 2: cross bencher center left, that's probably how it'll go but
Speaker 2: there's every chance it doesn't because it's been bad for
Speaker 2: years under this bloke. But what I find quite strange
Speaker 2: is that the media has already decided who the next
Speaker 2: in line is, and it's grim Jim Charmers.
Speaker 3: They believe that the bloke from.
Speaker 2: Queensland, Oh, he could immediately neutralize Peter Dutton, his four
Speaker 2: D chess brain of a political doctorate in the way
Speaker 2: keeping soul economics, that will be the future for the
Speaker 2: Labor Party. The only problem is if the economy is
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why Albo might have to go
Speaker 2: or Australians might get rid of him at an election,
Speaker 2: why is there a magnificent improvement in their chances by
Speaker 2: replacing him with the bloke who has been driving the
Speaker 2: economy down the drain. Charmers was asked about it today
Speaker 2: and despite the fact that, of course, please it's not
Speaker 2: going to happen, he knows now that the camera bubble
Speaker 2: who create you and destroy you, have decided that he
Speaker 2: is next in line.
Speaker 10: My expectation and my hope is if we do win
Speaker 10: the election next year, that Anthony Albanezi serves a full
Speaker 10: term and runs again. That's what I would expect to happen.
Speaker 10: That's what I would hope would happen.
Speaker 1: Why should that happen?
Speaker 10: And the best version of the best version of that
Speaker 10: for me is to continue being the nation's treasurer.
Speaker 1: Why why should that happen?
Speaker 10: Though?
Speaker 1: Like what's wrong with change?
Speaker 10: Well, I think we've got. One of the things that
Speaker 10: we'll be taking to the Australian people is a sense
Speaker 10: of stability, a sense that we've got an economic plan.
Speaker 10: We're rolling that out in difficult times. We're helping people
Speaker 10: where we can. And that's a tribute to Anthony's leadership
Speaker 10: that we've been able to do that. And so people
Speaker 10: should anticipate. I certainly anticipate and expect and hope that
Speaker 10: if we win the next election that Anthony will be
Speaker 10: around for as long as possible.
Speaker 2: Now, I've been critical of the Prime Minister for all
Speaker 2: the reasons that we have built the case for a
Speaker 2: long time about his lack of judgment. We saw him
Speaker 2: as a fake before he became the Prime Minister. Each
Speaker 2: way elbow all of these things that at times we
Speaker 2: have been ridiculed for or I've been directly abused for saying.
Speaker 2: Now seems to be the dominant view that this guy.
Speaker 2: His time is running out, even if he somehow finds
Speaker 2: a way through the next election. And that mean that
Speaker 2: if the media starts to signal this, well, then they
Speaker 2: won't give him the benefit of the doubt. They won't
Speaker 2: give him the best possible spin on the ball. And
Speaker 2: this is because they think not that Peter Dutton is
Speaker 2: going to be a better prime minister, but because they
Speaker 2: think anyone but is the option that they have to
Speaker 2: get behind.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: It is always dangerous trying to take another country's politics,
Speaker 2: clicking and dragging and pretending that it has some sort
Speaker 2: of overlap here in Australia, but this was the exact logic.
Speaker 2: We must get rid of Joe Biden because we have
Speaker 2: to beat Donald Trump now again, the caucus rules are
Speaker 2: very clear that you need to have two thirds of
Speaker 2: the party vote to get rid of a sitting prime minister.
Speaker 3: That won't happen.
Speaker 2: Ironically, you only need fifty plus one of the party
Speaker 2: room to vote to change the rule about the three quarters,
Speaker 2: so that's how they would potentially around it. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: we've started this crap again. Australia should be able to
Speaker 2: hire and fire its own prime ministers.
Speaker 3: Okay, some will rule.
Speaker 2: For multiple cycles, some will rule for shorter cycles. And
Speaker 2: Anthony Albinezki, of course, will have been kicking the proverbial
Speaker 2: and metaphorical pet at how angry he would be that somebody,
Speaker 2: as in the tent as nasty Niki Saba, is now
Speaker 2: openly saying, pal even if you win, please go away.
Speaker 2: But Jim Chalmers is not the answer for the Labor
Speaker 2: Party because he has been the steward over an economy
Speaker 2: that just this week is barely sputtering along. And again,
Speaker 2: finally the people who gave the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: are not giving it any more. These are the headlines,
Speaker 2: A terrible set of numbers for a treasurer and a
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank governor.
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers can't walk both sides of sorry street.
Speaker 2: Albo has wrecked our economy and left us poorer than
Speaker 2: we were seven years ago.
Speaker 3: Ozzie's are thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: Worse under Labor as economic growth slows to a thirty
Speaker 2: year record. Changing the messinger is not going to change
Speaker 2: the message. And the message was that you promised to
Speaker 2: make it better, but you made it worse, which brings
Speaker 2: us to the alternative Prime Minister in Peter Dutton campaigning
Speaker 2: today and knowing that every day where Parliament does not return,
Speaker 2: we are part of an election campaign. He was spending
Speaker 2: time in and around New South Wales, particularly Sydney today
Speaker 2: and actually up on the Central Coast as well, trying
Speaker 2: to launch a whole collection of candidates, candidates who may
Speaker 2: have been around for a long time, may have just
Speaker 2: been introduced, but he needs all of those people to
Speaker 2: win for him to be able to get anywhere close
Speaker 2: to minority, let alone actual government. Yesterday it was on
Speaker 2: the Northern Beaches of Sydney where he was introducing the
Speaker 2: people to take on two of the teals that many
Speaker 2: believe are immovable. Yet these are good middle of the
Speaker 2: road smart options for people of the Northern Beaches and
Speaker 2: other parts if they want to come back to the
Speaker 2: fold to be able to do so. But I want
Speaker 2: you to see in one thing that Peter Dutton said
Speaker 2: this week that to use cricket parlance, he can see
Speaker 2: the wickets when many people have buggerized around in public life.
Speaker 2: When talking about the Australia Day bands of the pub Company,
Speaker 2: there were people who are you know, the days complicated. Oh,
Speaker 2: everyone's allowed to do what they want to do. Go
Speaker 2: in whichever direction they want to go. This was Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton middle stump.
Speaker 6: If you've got a Christmas booking at a pub or
Speaker 6: an Australia booking at a pub with your friends or
Speaker 6: family that's not celebrating Australia, cancel it and go to
Speaker 6: another pub that's celebrating Australia Day and you'll see the
Speaker 6: companies change their behaviors pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: They're changing.
Speaker 6: They're not closing down the pokies on Australia are they.
Speaker 6: They're not saying that they're going to reduce the price
Speaker 6: of beer on Australia Day because it's you know, philosophically
Speaker 6: what they want to do. They're still happy to make money,
Speaker 6: and I think they should be supporting our national cause,
Speaker 6: and our national cause is best advanced when we celebrate
Speaker 6: the great country We are.
Speaker 2: Good, straight, fast bowling fump bales flying in the air.
Speaker 2: That's the line and length that an opposition leader needs
Speaker 2: to get through and to keep a government on the defensive.
Speaker 2: But most of the more importantly, what type of leader
Speaker 2: do we want for our country? I want somebody who
Speaker 2: is as clear as that in relation to something as
Speaker 2: ridiculous as the pubs that will be open and we'll
Speaker 2: have their poker machines open, and you can still get
Speaker 2: pissed in on Australia Day, coming out and making some
Speaker 2: moral boziz about Australia Day.
Speaker 3: I want that clarity of leadership. Now.
Speaker 2: We will produce plenty of people who don't like decisiveness,
Speaker 2: but Australians like decisiveness, and certainly at a time when
Speaker 2: things have gotten much worse rather than better, they are
Speaker 2: going to start to term to this. Is this me
Speaker 2: sitting here tonight predicting the outcome of the next to
Speaker 2: federal election. No am I stupid enough to tell you
Speaker 2: what that is? No, nothing is inevitable. We knew this
Speaker 2: in the twenty nineteen election and it will be so
Speaker 2: for the upcoming election. And outside of the message of
Speaker 2: Australia Day today, Port Stevens, north of Sydney, in fact,
Speaker 2: at north of Newcastle, they've got an offshore wind farm
Speaker 2: project which is on its way and many locals, including
Speaker 2: plenty who I wouldn't imagine I voted Liberal ever in
Speaker 2: their life, hate the idea of this stuff changing what
Speaker 2: is a beautiful part of Australia guess who is building
Speaker 2: the wind farms current government, who won't if they become
Speaker 2: the government.
Speaker 6: If there is a change of government at the next election,
Speaker 6: then we can give it assurance to this local community
Speaker 6: that this project will not proceed. The Prime Minister's every
Speaker 6: decision is about how he can try and stop the
Speaker 6: hemorrhaging of votes from the Labour Party to the Greens.
Speaker 6: We've looked at the area design where these wind turbines
Speaker 6: were projected to go two hundred and sixty meters above
Speaker 6: the water. This is going to be a scar on
Speaker 6: the landscape.
Speaker 2: Correct this concept of to save the atmosphere, we must
Speaker 2: destroy the earth. Common sense people know that that's not
Speaker 2: the answer. And even if Labor the Greens get everything
Speaker 2: they want when it comes tom newble energy projects, Australia
Speaker 2: is one percent of the climate problem. Places like China
Speaker 2: can continue to exponentially pollute until twenty thirty and while
Speaker 2: we're going to net zero for twenty fifty then not
Speaker 2: doing it till twenty sixty.
Speaker 3: They pollute thirty three.
Speaker 2: Times more than we do. Because of course they have
Speaker 2: a population of obidian people and they deliberately keep some
Speaker 2: of their people in poverty, some of their people working
Speaker 2: slave labor to build the very solar panels that we
Speaker 2: end up buying and installing in this country in order
Speaker 2: to be able to turn around and call themselves a
Speaker 2: developing nation. But we know China's not a developing nation.
Speaker 2: They literally invented islands in the South China Sea, They've
Speaker 2: got an international space station, they held two Olympic Games
Speaker 2: so far in the twenty first century. The idea that
Speaker 2: they're a developing nation is of course garbage. But Australia
Speaker 2: under this government and under the green tinges that exist
Speaker 2: in the more comfortable parts of the country, they say
Speaker 2: we must do this. But of course if you try
Speaker 2: to put a single wind turbine or a single solar
Speaker 2: panel in the local doggy park of a teal or
Speaker 2: a green seat, their heads will explode.
Speaker 3: So what do they do.
Speaker 2: They say, all of this must be built with four
Speaker 2: fifths of bugger all ability to argue against it. Literally,
Speaker 2: they change the law in Victoria to reduce the rights
Speaker 2: of local communities to be able to push back on
Speaker 2: these developments. And these people have had enough.
Speaker 4: It just seems like an active environmental vandalism kept our climate.
Speaker 8: But at the same time we want to make sure
Speaker 8: that we're not just throwing and damaging nature.
Speaker 11: We won't rest until some level of common sense prevailed.
Speaker 10: This is a community that don't believe that this is
Speaker 10: the right place to put a wind farm.
Speaker 7: Absolutely support renewables, but they shouldn't be at the expense
Speaker 7: of small communities.
Speaker 3: Take them somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Take them down the west coast of Tassi, or somewhere
Speaker 2: you have miles and miles of land.
Speaker 3: They're wind swept, nice and flat. Take them for thousands
Speaker 3: of them there.
Speaker 2: You see, this, in part has always been the problem
Speaker 2: about the transition to renewable energy, which is it'll poll
Speaker 2: really well to say yes, we must do it. Are
Speaker 2: you willing to pay for it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do you want it built near u Elm, Which is
Speaker 2: why the opposition's position of saying okay nuclear. Yes it'll
Speaker 2: cost a lot of money, and yes it'll cost a
Speaker 2: lot of time to get it up and running, but
Speaker 2: we've got colon gas to get us to that point.
Speaker 2: It's not going to have the same impacts on the
Speaker 2: land in terms of the literal number of sites that
Speaker 2: that's the policy of the opposition and pole off to
Speaker 2: poll Off to pole Off to Pole Off to Pole
Speaker 2: Off Pole Pole is now saying that the majority of
Speaker 2: Australians are open to the idea of it. I think
Speaker 2: the way to sell it is to turn around and
Speaker 2: say that in any local government area where one of
Speaker 2: these things goes one hundred percent free power for life,
Speaker 2: all right, and you watch.
Speaker 3: I've been to.
Speaker 2: Many, many, many, many dozens and dozens and dozens of regional.
Speaker 3: Communities around Australia.
Speaker 2: They would put their hand up for it, put both
Speaker 2: hands up, as opposed to the very same regional communities
Speaker 2: who are just being told, sorry, the farming doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2: This is just a great place to plunk. The stuff
Speaker 2: that creates the energy has to go back to the city.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but if you want any of it like
Speaker 2: Broken Hill, no, you can sit in the dark for
Speaker 2: ten days, because our warm feelings more important than your
Speaker 2: fridge staying on. Now, we were first to talk about
Speaker 2: the Australia Day Ban here from these pubs. We did
Speaker 2: so at the start of this week. Of course, it
Speaker 2: was allegedly reversed on its way through, but it's not
Speaker 2: a full reversal. And I've got to say, and where
Speaker 2: Rida Panahy is in her column The Herald some this
Speaker 2: week where she says, look shove your apology. So as
Speaker 2: you've heard me say before, the venue that is one
Speaker 2: of these venues that I've gone to many many times
Speaker 2: over many, many many years, and I've got incredible memories
Speaker 2: of really happy occasions. I'm not going to that joint
Speaker 2: this summer at all because of what they had to
Speaker 2: say in and around the Australia Day stuff.
Speaker 3: But it brought me up and it's one of the
Speaker 3: things that.
Speaker 2: Has probably united us for a long time, which is
Speaker 2: that Australians are cool with change, but we're not cool
Speaker 2: with change for change's sake.
Speaker 3: And for these people who believe.
Speaker 2: That, well, if we move from January twenty sixth, then
Speaker 2: there'll be somewhere there.
Speaker 3: Is no other date.
Speaker 2: The marking of modern Australia, the celebrating of modern Australia
Speaker 2: is an absolute offense to the people who don't want
Speaker 2: modern Australia to have ever existed. Of course, some of
Speaker 2: these people like having it both ways, like old mate
Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe, who hates the colony but will gladly take
Speaker 2: the colony's money to sit in the colony's parliament. But
Speaker 2: for others, they just had this view that no invasion day.
Speaker 2: That's the focus when it comes to January the twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: nothing else. But jeez, it was good to see people
Speaker 2: push back against that band this week. It was a
Speaker 2: little bit like the Trumpy stuff. We just felt nice,
Speaker 2: didn't it. They're just normal people really quickly and all
Speaker 2: at once said no, no, no, no bug of this.
Speaker 1: Just drop the moral grandstanding.
Speaker 9: Why do these people have to think they need to
Speaker 9: tell the rest of us their views of the ethical
Speaker 9: structure of our society.
Speaker 6: If you've got a Christmas booking at a pub, or
Speaker 6: an Australia booking at a pub with your friends or
Speaker 6: family that's not celebrating Australia, cancel it and go to
Speaker 6: another pub that's celebrating Australia.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to see that this company got a bit
Speaker 2: of a whack around the head.
Speaker 3: And it always come to come back to common say,
Speaker 3: if you want to change.
Speaker 5: That, run for parliament and change it.
Speaker 3: Convince your constituents and bloody oath. Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: But then there was the response of Labor MP was
Speaker 2: on the Shari last night. Now he was sort of
Speaker 2: wishy washy and all over the place when it came
Speaker 2: to Australia Day, and that's fine, he can have that position,
Speaker 2: but I'll explain what the problem is with it after
Speaker 2: you've seen what he said.
Speaker 4: It is fair to say that it has become somewhat
Speaker 4: controversial in parts of our community, and I think we're
Speaker 4: in an interesting transition at the moment with Australia Day.
Speaker 4: When I was thinking about how pubs in my own
Speaker 4: electorate are dealing with this, it reminded me that Australia
Speaker 4: Day evokes very different feelings in different parts of my electorate.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Compare that to what you just heard when it came
Speaker 2: to Peter Dutton before the absolute clarity of the wick
Speaker 2: at trum Bang hit it right. If that bloke doesn't
Speaker 2: like a straighted Day, then come and say I don't
Speaker 2: like Australia Day. Come up with the alternative position again,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that I can't stand much of her
Speaker 2: public utterances and the way she behaves. We will know
Speaker 2: where Lydia Thorpe sits on this right, and she has
Speaker 2: the minority position, but she's holding on to her position.
Speaker 2: And just because you're in the minority position doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you automatically should ever have to give it up.
Speaker 3: That's the way the world works. That's an open and
Speaker 3: free society.
Speaker 2: But one of the problems for the government right now
Speaker 2: is expressed exactly by that MP on this issue. Where
Speaker 2: do you stand now? In their harder hearts? Do they
Speaker 2: want to get rid of it? But they can't say
Speaker 2: because they think that the majority of Australians will be offended?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Do they want to keep it but they think the
Speaker 2: majority of people who are in and around.
Speaker 3: Politics want to change it. Maybe?
Speaker 2: But unless you're willing to actually say what you think
Speaker 2: and say bug of the consequences, I am who I am,
Speaker 2: this is what I believe. Well, then people eventually start
Speaker 2: to see a problem here and they start to see
Speaker 2: again a bit of a whiff in the air about
Speaker 2: change for change's sake. Another example of it today there
Speaker 2: is a school in Melbourne and they sent out a
Speaker 2: little message that now they're pretending didn't really mean what
Speaker 2: clearly it meant. But Elthemese Primary Schools set in a
Speaker 2: letter to families earlier this week that no food or
Speaker 2: Christmas themed items were to be given as gifts for
Speaker 2: this year's secret Center. Among year five and six students.
Speaker 2: The rules were emphasized in red. They've now turned around
Speaker 2: and said, oh no, no, no, Christmas is for everyone and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. No, someone somewhere has a
Speaker 2: position that for some reason, and if you focus on
Speaker 2: Christmas at this time of the year, then who you're
Speaker 2: going to offend somebody else?
Speaker 3: Here's the deal about modern Australia. I'm cool when the
Speaker 3: shop says Chinese New Year.
Speaker 2: I'm cool when it talks about all the different cultural
Speaker 2: festivals of all the different faiths.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it. But guess what.
Speaker 2: Happens in December each and every year Christmas. Now you
Speaker 2: know that I am not a believer. I have respect
Speaker 2: for the people who have faith, but yeah, we do Christmas.
Speaker 2: Won't be doing Ramadan. I wasn't brought up in that faith.
Speaker 2: But if you want to do it, cool, If.
Speaker 3: The school wants to do it, great, But the idea
Speaker 3: that we.
Speaker 2: Must include everyone else's traditions but somehow be offended and
Speaker 2: afraid of ours, it doesn't float with people. And when
Speaker 2: you have leaders who know the difference, you have leaders
Speaker 2: who actually get it. What ex brings us back to
Speaker 2: old mate upgrade albow. Now you may well have noticed
Speaker 2: if you're on social media that you had lots of friends,
Speaker 2: me included, who were posting what they have been listening
Speaker 2: to on Spotify.
Speaker 3: Spotify is the music.
Speaker 2: Streaming service that many of us listen to where basically
Speaker 2: every song in the world and you can put together
Speaker 2: playlists and your kids can have something and it's awesome, right,
Speaker 2: But there's Apple Music and there's a thousand different versions
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Spotify is the one that lots of people choose to use.
Speaker 2: And because this Prime Minister doesn't want to be a
Speaker 2: sixty year old dude, instead he's DJ Elbow, he of
Speaker 2: course had to put it out today that what he's
Speaker 2: been listening to all year, whoo, I'm so down with it.
Speaker 2: Man's a whole bunch of stuff that you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of fresh new Triple je kind of music, but
Speaker 2: not really sort of middle of the road stuff that
Speaker 2: you may hear on an over or kiss all of
Speaker 2: those songs anyway, or today a f or Fox if
Speaker 2: I missing anyone else out there anyway. What was funny
Speaker 2: was was that when he decided to put this up
Speaker 2: to show how cool and normal he was, the cycle
Speaker 2: is now starting to move against Anthony I beneathy that
Speaker 2: the news story is now focused on the comments, like
Speaker 2: when he put this up, where people say things like
Speaker 2: no one cares do your job?
Speaker 3: Are you bored? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Worst economic growth in Australia in thirty years and you're
Speaker 2: worried about Spotify clown emoji. This is when you know
Speaker 2: you are starting to get into a world of trouble,
Speaker 2: which is why you shouldn't play in this sort of
Speaker 2: stuff or turn the comments off, which of course they can.
Speaker 2: But there is something slightly different that I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about, apart from just the reaction to the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's Spotify playlist where he let us see what he
Speaker 2: has been listening to.
Speaker 3: And it was kind.
Speaker 2: Of a freaky glimpse into the future. Now this was
Speaker 2: my Spotify playlist. You can tell that I've got two
Speaker 2: little kids the age of ten in my house because
Speaker 2: it was Taylor Swift Dua Lipa and then my obsessions
Speaker 2: kick in Chris Staple and country music artist amazing. Like
Speaker 2: my entire musical world's been rocked by this guy this year.
Speaker 2: Go and listen to any and everything and you'll fall
Speaker 2: in love. Glenn Campbell of course, one of the greatest
Speaker 2: of all time, and Luke Combs another awesome in the
Speaker 2: country music phase.
Speaker 3: Right, don't judge me, but that's what I'm into anyway.
Speaker 2: The thirteen thousand minutes of listening to music, that was
Speaker 2: what made it for me.
Speaker 3: But there was a really.
Speaker 2: Weird feature which Spotify released today, which was a personalized
Speaker 2: podcast of two people talking about everything you have been
Speaker 2: listening to. Have a listen to, well one of these.
Speaker 5: Examples thirteen forty two minutes listening this year. WHOA Yeah,
Speaker 5: that puts you on the top twenty six percent globally.
Speaker 1: Wow, seriously impressively.
Speaker 5: A music expert at this point.
Speaker 11: Right, that's like having a really great soundtrack for your
Speaker 11: life all year round.
Speaker 5: Totally.
Speaker 3: Here's a bit that's scary. Those people aren't real.
Speaker 2: That's a computer that is AI being able to create
Speaker 2: fake voices using fake words, but speaking with specificity about
Speaker 2: the data that I have given Spotify about what I
Speaker 2: listen to. Now that you know these voices a fake,
Speaker 2: you will start to hear the slight fakeness. But have
Speaker 2: a listen to how good and by good I mean frightening.
Speaker 2: This stuff is about to become.
Speaker 5: Top artist.
Speaker 1: This is always a good one.
Speaker 5: It's the one and only Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: No surprise there. She's amazing.
Speaker 5: Six hundred and forty two minutes of listening time across
Speaker 5: eighty five days.
Speaker 1: That's like a that's like a lot of listening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, basically puts you in the top eight percent of
Speaker 5: her listeners worldwide.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're swifty through and through.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And you know what, I think it's so interesting because
Speaker 5: she's just so good at capturing those universal emotions.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, totally she gets it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Is anyone else freaked out right now? That is
Speaker 3: not a real conversation. They are not real people.
Speaker 2: It's a computer talking to a computer about the stuff
Speaker 2: I'm listening to and it sounds real.
Speaker 3: Wow. We live in an incredible time, the greatest time
Speaker 3: in human history. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Many people are going to get that excited about listening
Speaker 2: to fake people talking to fake people about anyone a
Speaker 2: little sign of things to come, thankfully, whereas real as
Speaker 2: we've ever been.
Speaker 3: And that's not me pinching muscles.
Speaker 1: You know that?
Speaker 3: For an absolute fact?
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more a Winner and Loser of
Speaker 2: the Week. We will crown one before we had done,
Speaker 2: No socks.
Speaker 3: No left is this Thursday? Glad you're watching? Why did
Speaker 3: I pinch the muscle?
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm real thanks for watching. No books, no Lefties,
Speaker 2: A libertarian and a liberal to their heart, join us
Speaker 2: now from beautiful Melbourne. I will not ask Michael Kraigo
Speaker 2: about the Spotify thing because I.
Speaker 3: Know couldn't give her rats.
Speaker 2: But still, Kristin Abrams, the Libertarian, I'm thinking she made
Speaker 2: Well did you double check did you get this little
Speaker 2: update today about what your number one song was in
Speaker 2: the world?
Speaker 1: I did check for it.
Speaker 9: I couldn't find it in time, but I am sure
Speaker 9: that it is. Believe they share now, Please come on, Michael.
Speaker 3: It's a classic. But Michael, what did just like?
Speaker 11: If you don't know, If you don't know, if you
Speaker 11: don't know that Suspicious Minds by the best song of
Speaker 11: all time, then you're not really with.
Speaker 2: I should tell you there's a fascinating documentary that is around.
Speaker 2: I think it's over on Netflix, and it's about the
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of the sixty eight Comeback Special. If
Speaker 2: you're an Elvis fan, you should go double check it out.
Speaker 2: It's a very good little bit of work. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: get serious. Now we know how this works because I've
Speaker 2: seen it for a very long time, Michael, which is
Speaker 2: when the press makes you a hero, they'll try to
Speaker 2: turn away from you. Albo is now in the stage
Speaker 2: where the people that have given him the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt have stopped doing it. And old mate nasty
Speaker 2: Nikki Sava, who was right up there at the top
Speaker 2: of the list with Murpha Roo in terms of the
Speaker 2: closest supporters of the Prime Minister and getting the FaceTime
Speaker 2: in the early days, she's now saying, even if you
Speaker 2: win bugger off in a year's time, what does that
Speaker 2: tell you about the future of the Prime minister.
Speaker 11: Well, what you know is he's not going to be
Speaker 11: the leader of the Labour Party at the twenty eight election.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 11: So if he's leader of this election in March or April,
Speaker 11: which he will be, they're not going to change you
Speaker 11: between now in April. He's not going to lead after that, okay.
Speaker 1: So whether he resigns or gets the job, we don't know.
Speaker 11: But look, Albow has grotesquely underperformed expectations. You never know
Speaker 11: what people going to be like till I get there,
Speaker 11: all right, I mean, quite frankly, Peter Dutton has surprised
Speaker 11: everybody and he's been brilliant as opposition leader. No one
Speaker 11: really thought John Howard would be as great as he
Speaker 11: was when he was Prime Minister or Mensis or.
Speaker 1: Biolchie, Peterson or Balty. You never know.
Speaker 11: Dutton's been a standout and I almost been very disappointing.
Speaker 11: Part of his problem was he over promised. You know,
Speaker 11: Mensis always said, never promised beyond your capacity to deliver.
Speaker 11: And the two seventy five, the bipartisan on Israel, the
Speaker 11: cost of living crisis will fix it.
Speaker 1: All the renewables are.
Speaker 11: Cheaper, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's all been
Speaker 11: an economic disaster. And all these bricks are you know,
Speaker 11: falling on this poor Blake's head and he's incapable of
Speaker 11: getting out from under.
Speaker 1: So either way he's this is his last shot.
Speaker 2: Now now again, I don't want to overpump nasty, nicky
Speaker 2: savat you as she goes goes the nation. No, no,
Speaker 2: as she goes goes the gallery. Right, it's just a
Speaker 2: conversation about these people who are the you know, the
Speaker 2: people who claim to be the most informed, but seeinggularly
Speaker 2: also times completely unaware of what's happening outside the building.
Speaker 2: Exceptions there are plenty, particularly Philip Curry, who we know
Speaker 2: I talk very warmly of all the time at the
Speaker 2: Australian Financial Review. But Kristin, can I just ask as
Speaker 2: well here and again, it's the way it works, right,
Speaker 2: It's about who's whispering and who's ear and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like you know, when they come
Speaker 2: up with it's time for a cabinet reshuffle and then
Speaker 2: people start suggesting who should get promoted. Those are the
Speaker 2: people who are the sources to the reporters, right, that's
Speaker 2: the exchange. You tell me all the stuff behind the
Speaker 2: scenes and I'll talk you. So that's the free pushing.
Speaker 2: So for them all now to start saying Chalmers, Chalmers, Chalmus,
Speaker 2: Chalmers Chalmers. If the problem with the country is the
Speaker 2: economy and the problem with the politics is the economy,
Speaker 2: then how the hell is the guy running the economy
Speaker 2: the answer to the problem.
Speaker 9: Kristen, Now you and Kroger probably have more insight than
Speaker 9: I do and the inner workings. But when I saw
Speaker 9: this today I actually thought maybe Albro and Chalmers teamed
Speaker 9: up so they could get this article out there to
Speaker 9: give Charmers some credibility because the economy is so bad.
Speaker 1: Well so.
Speaker 3: I've done it for a while and you just walked
Speaker 3: up for a cunnel.
Speaker 2: And then well done, big.
Speaker 9: Well, Look I've said this on them for show before, Paul,
Speaker 9: and I'll say it again. If Albow and Charmers were
Speaker 9: CEO and CFO, they would have been walked off the
Speaker 9: Premiers months and months ago. So Charmers being considered for
Speaker 9: the top job is an insult to every Australian's intelligence
Speaker 9: and I think it is absolutely abhorrent.
Speaker 2: And also despite the fact of the factional this and that,
Speaker 2: it is a much bigger leap to the left as well,
Speaker 2: right because he's sort of, you know, of the big
Speaker 2: day out, Triple J generation, remaking capitalism, huge believer in
Speaker 2: you can't borrow enough money because nobody really. It's a
Speaker 2: massive jump to the left apart from again all the
Speaker 2: factional stuff. But let's not focus too far into the future.
Speaker 2: Let's again be where we are right now. It seems
Speaker 2: to me as well, Michael, that a perfect example about
Speaker 2: something that might be wrong and the Australian economy right
Speaker 2: now is playing out when it comes to the workers
Speaker 2: and Woolworths, because I understand why cost of living people
Speaker 2: want a pay rise, but normally you have to offer
Speaker 2: something up in return for the pay rise. I will
Speaker 2: work longer, I will work harder. Here's the way that
Speaker 2: the productivity right, that's how it works. The workers want
Speaker 2: twenty five percent, and they also don't want any cameras
Speaker 2: or any sort of AI monitoring their productivity. The company says, sorry,
Speaker 2: you actually have to work harder if you want more money.
Speaker 2: But we're now at a stage where the unions and
Speaker 2: other unions are now starting to say we're all going
Speaker 2: to get in on causing as many troubles for Woolies
Speaker 2: as possible, because if people can't buy what they need
Speaker 2: to buy, they'll lord get the Harry hits and the
Speaker 2: lead up to and then eventually the company crumbles. This
Speaker 2: is like nineteen ninety stuff, not twenty twenty four stuff.
Speaker 11: Michaels not quite a Woolworth, you know, are easy pickings
Speaker 11: these days because they suffered such a massive loss in
Speaker 11: credibility over their ridiculous performance over the Voice. I think
Speaker 11: they're one of the companies to ban Australia A.
Speaker 1: Products weren't they? Was that Coles?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So, I mean they're just they're like a boxer,
Speaker 11: you know, they're like a Mike Tyson in the ring,
Speaker 11: you know, just getting pummeled and with no public sympathy whatsoever.
Speaker 11: To show you how bad Albow and the Labor Party going,
Speaker 11: they came out today with a statement saying they've got
Speaker 11: to resolve this dispute. It should be resolved. Whereas Bob
Speaker 11: Hawk thirty years ago, Hawk would have come in, called
Speaker 11: them together, had a meeting with him somewhere in Melbourne
Speaker 11: and been the resolved the dispute.
Speaker 1: That was insting.
Speaker 11: He'd coming to the last minute and then get all
Speaker 11: the credit. That's what Hawk would have done. I mean,
Speaker 11: how much intellectual you know, firepowers does it require to
Speaker 11: say this dispute should be resolved. You know that takes
Speaker 11: a lot of guts and courage to and experience and
Speaker 11: still make a statement like that. So you know, of
Speaker 11: course the union's pushing hard.
Speaker 1: They always do.
Speaker 11: I don't like their illegal pickup lines, but you know
Speaker 11: Wolworths have very little public sympthy left these days.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: Well and again you know another example is, you know,
Speaker 2: however Man years ago waterfront dispute, Peter Wreath line in
Speaker 2: the sand, a government that was very clear, let's change.
Speaker 3: The law to get this day.
Speaker 2: You saw the government picking a side because they saw
Speaker 2: that as a modernization of the system. It feels like
Speaker 2: the industrial relations system has regressed under labor. This was
Speaker 2: the stuff that was the great fear after the job summit.
Speaker 2: But again, remember Kristen, when when Peter duart't and again
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting the man walks on water and everything's perfect,
Speaker 2: but the big calls are right, and when he turned
Speaker 2: around and with a job somebody and I'm not going here.
Speaker 2: This is just a front for the union to get
Speaker 2: whatever it wanted, right, and guess what, they got what
Speaker 2: they wanted and we are where we are now.
Speaker 3: In a scenario like this.
Speaker 2: Do you think the government gets into the room and says, well,
Speaker 2: you talk to you, let's solve this thing here, or
Speaker 2: what do you think ultimately happens. Does the consumer just
Speaker 2: say I don't care, I blame everyone, or I blame
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to blame the union. I'm
Speaker 2: going to blame the company. How do you think normal
Speaker 2: people take this?
Speaker 9: So it's a double edged sword on this one For me.
Speaker 9: I am a libertarian, so I believe that the government
Speaker 9: should absolutely stay out of the private sector. But I
Speaker 9: am also a hr professional and I could nerd out
Speaker 9: right now and tell you how the regulations have gone
Speaker 9: too far. They've given the unions too much power at
Speaker 9: one point that you know, power was needed to get
Speaker 9: industrial relations to where it is, and it is absolutely
Speaker 9: gone too far, and we are in this situation now
Speaker 9: because of that. Now we're looking at a situation where
Speaker 9: the unions are wanting to band together and strengthen numbers
Speaker 9: to realistically bully a company, whether that's Woolworths or whether
Speaker 9: that's a smaller business, they're realistically banding together to bully
Speaker 9: company into getting what they want. Now. I've been on
Speaker 9: the other side of the negotiating tables with the unions
Speaker 9: when we're going through an agreement, and some of the
Speaker 9: stuff they come up with is absolutely ridiculous. How could
Speaker 9: a company be expected to turn a profit?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 9: I know we're talking about will words, but how could
Speaker 9: a company be expected to turn a profit when they
Speaker 9: go out asking those things? So I think rather than
Speaker 9: anyone in the government picking up the phone and calling
Speaker 9: wilwords and calling the union and saying, you know, sort
Speaker 9: this out and giving them a little you know, slap
Speaker 9: around about it. How about you look at the legislation
Speaker 9: that has allowed it to get to this point. And
Speaker 9: on one more thing, my mum always raised me to
Speaker 9: say that every worker is important for this economy. Every worker,
Speaker 9: whether that's the cleaner in the street, whether that's the
Speaker 9: you know, senatary disposal man, every job makes this world
Speaker 9: go around. So their whole argument is the pandemic showed
Speaker 9: us that they're really important for the economy. Well, we're
Speaker 9: all important for the economy. We have a bad entitlement mentality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 2: And like all good libertarians, it's I'm a libertarian on
Speaker 2: this issue, but generally that's the way it works as well.
Speaker 2: That's one of the great internal conversations that libertarians always
Speaker 2: end up having. It's a particular strain of politics that
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely fascinated in, and I think a lot more
Speaker 2: people need to get the hit around. But let's talk
Speaker 2: here as well about among other things, nature positive now
Speaker 2: banged on about this all week because I think it
Speaker 2: has consequences in Northern Territory those two seats and Western
Speaker 2: Australia and the multiple seats there. Why because we saw
Speaker 2: what things like nature not nature positive the heritage laws
Speaker 2: had in Western Australia so much so WA premier turns
Speaker 2: around says, for God's sake, made out stop, don't go
Speaker 2: near this stuff. But the government doesn't turn around and
Speaker 2: say we're not doing it. Instead they just turn around
Speaker 2: and say, well, we weren't going.
Speaker 3: To do the Greens version of it.
Speaker 2: So how important is it, Michael, when you're putting together
Speaker 2: a political campaign that Okay, you've got the ad that
Speaker 2: runs nashtionally, you've got the message that runs nationally, but
Speaker 2: you've also got the state based issues. And do you
Speaker 2: think that, in the age of all the different ways
Speaker 2: that you can localize your message, that the local state
Speaker 2: parties should be that there should be a version of
Speaker 2: the ads that is specific to the locations. Because it's
Speaker 2: something Labor has been good at with a WA message
Speaker 2: in Wa on watv as opposed to the same ad
Speaker 2: in Brisbane and Broom.
Speaker 11: Sure, if you can localize the messages and they're powerful messages,
Speaker 11: not just in a polybabble, that's always incredibly effective. I
Speaker 11: think the electorate are more sensitive, more in tune to
Speaker 11: what's going on as country. They have been for a
Speaker 11: long time. That's because the economic crisis. Every government decision
Speaker 11: people are watching to see how it to affects their
Speaker 11: kitchen table and their ability to put food on the table,
Speaker 11: pay the rent, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So this is.
Speaker 11: Another you know, look look this way, Alban, Easy Wong
Speaker 11: and Pleversick towards the back end of their careers and
Speaker 11: they've decided, as you know, good socialist members of the
Speaker 11: socialist left, you know, let's not die wondering. Let's bring
Speaker 11: in these extreme policies whilst we're here, because we want
Speaker 11: to be remembered for doing something. At least we'll get
Speaker 11: a chair at the you know, Socialist left and your
Speaker 11: dinner in Carlton in for the next twenty to thirty years.
Speaker 11: You know, he failed, but least at least he flew
Speaker 11: the flag of you know.
Speaker 1: Hard left socialism.
Speaker 11: So Cleversik wants to bring in another regulatory body, a
Speaker 11: national EPA, as if there aren't enough regulatory bodies. So,
Speaker 11: needless to say, the Wester is soon in premium and
Speaker 11: everyone in the bush have got very concerned about another
Speaker 11: massive overreach, all on the guise of protecting biodiversity, et cetera,
Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera. But this is just another you know,
Speaker 11: massive government bureaucracy and a national information bureaucracy to monitor
Speaker 11: what's going on. But contrasts that message that labour giving
Speaker 11: people in the bush to this. When when was the
Speaker 11: last time you ever heard Alban Easy say thank God
Speaker 11: for Australian farmers, correct, I mean thank God for our farmers.
Speaker 11: When was the last time he ever said thank God
Speaker 11: for the Australian mining industry, Thank God for coal and
Speaker 11: gas and oil and our gas exports. Thank goodness for
Speaker 11: the industry that's propped up the Australian economy, that pays
Speaker 11: for Medicare, Jim, not you, your goose. It's paid for
Speaker 11: by the mining industry and our farmers. Right, they're the
Speaker 11: ones that are propping up Medicare. When was the last
Speaker 11: time you heard elbow say that? Now all you do
Speaker 11: is here Bowen say, We're sticking twenty thousand wind turbines
Speaker 11: all around the East Coast, all that of Tasmania and
Speaker 11: into South Australia. Twenty thousand of these monstrosities, I mean,
Speaker 11: country people have had enough. This government is not for them, right.
Speaker 11: This government is not for farmers Queensland, as Western Australians,
Speaker 11: anyone outside Melbourne City.
Speaker 1: This government's not for you.
Speaker 11: Right, you're not waken up and this government's really not
Speaker 11: interested in you.
Speaker 2: If you are the irritant, your job is to shut up,
Speaker 2: pay your taxes and do your bit. Thankfully, people don't
Speaker 2: do that, and we put it back and that'll be
Speaker 2: one of the big lines going into the next election.
Speaker 3: Or right, quick break back with more. Let's find out
Speaker 3: who the winner and loser of the week is.
Speaker 2: So give the guys time because I gave them no
Speaker 2: heads up about it before, so they've got a break
Speaker 2: to come up with.
Speaker 3: It more in a second, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: We are here with Michael Kroger Kristin Abrams before we
Speaker 2: get a winner and loser of the week very quickly.
Speaker 2: We are in Christmas party season at time, and of
Speaker 2: course that means there's an opportunity for somebody to write
Speaker 2: too many words in a newspaper saying, oh.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if I like these anymore.
Speaker 2: Kristen, are you somebody who just loves the social butterflying
Speaker 2: instead of can quickly go from one conversation to the other.
Speaker 2: Or are you one of these people who is very
Speaker 2: polite and ends up sticking with the one couple all night.
Speaker 9: No, I never stick with the one couple all night.
Speaker 9: Paul can't do it. I'm an extrovert, so I do
Speaker 9: like to socialize. But at the end of the silly season,
Speaker 9: I can tell you that I am a little bit exhausted.
Speaker 9: But some people might choose to attend a Christmas party
Speaker 9: in Sydney and you know partying means that much to them.
Speaker 9: So I think, Look, I think the I think the
Speaker 9: article that was written was a little bit like, yes
Speaker 9: there's introvert and yes the holiday season is hard.
Speaker 3: He's my five hundred wounds on it, Michael, to get
Speaker 3: here a social butterfly. I seen you in action, right,
Speaker 3: zip zip zip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who sort of asks the question and
Speaker 2: then buggers off to the other side of the room.
Speaker 11: Well, the answer to going to Christmas parties and events
Speaker 11: generally is this, when you get a bit older. I
Speaker 11: had a very good friend of mine in business and
Speaker 11: many years ago I was having likes with Roger Moore
Speaker 11: James Bond here in Melbourne. Long story for another occasion
Speaker 11: and invited a friend of mine in business and his
Speaker 11: wife to come, and they said, yes, I'll have to
Speaker 11: come meet Roger Moore, James Bond, Simon Temple, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And then they rang and left him. It's so no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't coming.
Speaker 11: And I just think he was down on his farm
Speaker 11: and he just couldn't be bothered. And he reached the
Speaker 11: age of life where it's now you just prefer to
Speaker 11: sit on the couch and watch the races and good
Speaker 11: on him.
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes you just you know, got to
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's just that moment where you just
Speaker 2: go all right, winner and loser of the week, Christine Abrams,
Speaker 2: who is it for you?
Speaker 9: So the winner for me has to be the Libertarian Party.
Speaker 9: We made a threat to the Liberals to say, if
Speaker 9: you vote in favor of the social media band for
Speaker 9: under sixteens, we will offer Liberal Party people a membership
Speaker 9: called the ex Liberal Membership, And in a week we've
Speaker 9: had over one hundred people. So that one is especially
Speaker 9: for you, Michael, thank you very much. The loser of
Speaker 9: the week is all the introverts in this silly season.
Speaker 9: I do know that it is actually a thing, and
Speaker 9: your social battery does get trained. So I feel for
Speaker 9: you and if I can give you some of my
Speaker 9: extroverted energy, I'm doing that.
Speaker 3: Very true, very true.
Speaker 11: All right, Michael Yep. Winner of the week Boris Johnson.
Speaker 11: If you haven't got his book, get it. It's a
Speaker 11: very good read, very funny, lots of good insights. Loses
Speaker 11: the week.
Speaker 1: A tie this week, mate, Australian Venue Co. These gooses.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 1: Can they read the room? This mob? They're tied with Jaguar.
Speaker 7: Don't forget the Australian Venue Company has a pub called
Speaker 7: the Colonist. They've not changed the Australia, but the pub
Speaker 7: in South Australia is still called the Colonist.
Speaker 3: And you can.
Speaker 11: Play the Pope made but Jaguar please, as they say,
Speaker 11: you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 1: You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys. Talk to you again next week. Look
Speaker 3: forward to seeing you in person today. All Murray live.
Speaker 3: Christmas event, that's what it's called.
Speaker 2: Not a festive gathering, not an end of year celebration.
Speaker 3: It is a Christmas event. Have a great weekend, go Yankee.
Speaker 3: You see you Sunday