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Speaker 2: I need your advice.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Bestie segment. This is the place for you. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome back to another episode of She Rises with

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Speaker 2: your favorite co host Ashan Tiana Bestie Segment. We have

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Speaker 2: another bestie advice segment for you today and a question.

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Speaker 2: This one is a really tough one, so we're going

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Speaker 2: to get straight into it.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, let's do it. Hey, ladies, I love the pod

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Speaker 1: and I would love your advice and thoughts on a

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Speaker 1: situation that I'm in. My partner I've been together coming

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Speaker 1: up ten years and we get married in a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: We have two beautiful boys, age three and six. We

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Speaker 1: both got pretty content with the two kids that we have.

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Speaker 1: Then a few years back, we accidentally got pregnant. It

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Speaker 1: was a huge shock and my partner really struggled with

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Speaker 1: the idea of having three kids. Whilst it was a

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Speaker 1: shock at first, my heart opened and I was so

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Speaker 1: excited to welcome another little human to our family. We

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Speaker 1: find out we were having a little girl. Then tragically,

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Speaker 1: at fourteen weeks, we lost her. Heartbroken, doesn't begin to

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Speaker 1: describe how we felt, and once I recovered physically, I

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Speaker 1: was left with this gaping hole in my heart and

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Speaker 1: I longed for another baby and I still do. My partner, however,

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Speaker 1: does not, and no matter how much I try and

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Speaker 1: negotiate it, at times, I beg he won't come around.

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Speaker 1: This makes the pain worse because he can see how

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Speaker 1: much I want it, but is still holding strong to

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Speaker 1: not having another baby. If we didn't have kids and

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Speaker 1: this was happening, I honestly don't know if we would

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Speaker 1: stay together wow, but we do, and I'm not willing

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Speaker 1: to block up our family unit because of it. However,

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Speaker 1: I resent him for not finding a way to make

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Speaker 1: it work as I would do for him if the

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Speaker 1: roles were reversed. How do I move forward and not

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Speaker 1: let this heartache impact me and our relationship further? Firstly,

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Speaker 1: so sorry for your loss, Like I can't even begin

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Speaker 1: to imagine. It's just so sad, how common it is

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Speaker 1: and how many women and husbands and families have to

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Speaker 1: go through that, and it's just absolutely devastating. So my heart,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: The grieving process of that. No one can even comprehend

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Speaker 2: what that would feel like. No true, and it's a

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Speaker 2: really lonely thing as well, you go through it alone

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Speaker 2: with your love.

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Speaker 1: People about no. I see both sides here. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think either is wrong. And I also when you say, like,

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Speaker 1: if roles were reversed, you would make it happen, like

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Speaker 1: you actually don't know that. You don't know how you

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Speaker 1: would feel if roles were reversed. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: so okay for your heart to design more children and

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Speaker 1: for you to want that. And I also think it's

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Speaker 1: really okay that he doesn't want anymore, and he's really

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Speaker 1: because if he was to just bow down and do

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Speaker 1: what you want to have another kid, that resentment he

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Speaker 1: might have builds up, and like, you don't want that

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Speaker 1: relationship later on, because he doesn't get as much time

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Speaker 1: for you, he's more stretched, he's not as patient, he

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Speaker 1: earn more money to provide for the family, and it's

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Speaker 1: like this whole extra load, which is really valid. Having

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Speaker 1: if he feels like he's at full capacity, he's at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lifelong resentment if he were to do

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Speaker 2: something that he didn't want, and roles are reverse, same

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Speaker 2: thing for you. If he wanted children and you didn't

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Speaker 2: then resent him for that decision, And that's a lifelong

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Speaker 2: commitment to resentment of which is a really hard thing,

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Speaker 2: But also one the fact that you guys have both

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Speaker 2: been honest about where you're at is a really good

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Speaker 2: which means that it's a safe place. I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: But I do think in reallyationships there is some level

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Speaker 1: I honestly wish I had to answer few on how

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Speaker 1: to not make the ache so strong for you and

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Speaker 1: the desire, But I don't have an answer for you.

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Speaker 1: I think if I was in your situation, and remember

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Speaker 1: this is like just advice that we would give each

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Speaker 1: other if we would go through this. Whenever something isn't

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Speaker 1: let go of that outcome that I was desiring. I

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Speaker 1: try and lean on gratitude. Yeah, I went through this situation.

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Speaker 1: It's different. But when I was trying to fall pregnant

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Speaker 1: one trusting the universe and it's timing too. Leaning on gratitude,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I am so grateful I have a

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Speaker 1: healthy little boy with me. Some families never get the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to even have a baby. Some women are not

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Speaker 1: even falling pregnant. So the fact that I had one

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Speaker 1: so grateful for that. Yeah, and it helped me let

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's helpful. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that is something that you can compromise on and

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Speaker 1: accept and let go and just like lean on your

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Speaker 1: think it's the full solution or answer, But if Tiana

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Speaker 1: I would think I would lean on.

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Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful. That's a good way to like

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Speaker 2: kind of have like a reframe. A reframe, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have to do in life for sure times. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that you can kind of look at within this

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Speaker 2: wanting to have another child, and there's again nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with that, it's really beautiful. But what could be really

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Speaker 2: think having a third child is going to give you? Like,

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Speaker 2: is there a certain feeling, a certain experience, a certain

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Speaker 2: sense of fulfillment that maybe you're seeking. Curious if that's

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Speaker 2: maybe something that you are able to fulfill yourself temporarily,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Kids that I don't know. I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so only because I've had that pull and desire

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Speaker 1: I thought about it, that's all I wanted. Like, nothing

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Speaker 1: I can see why women go back for more and more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I guess because I haven't had that feeling before,

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Speaker 2: I can't fully understand that. Yeah, I think I'm just thinking. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: if right now, temporarily there's nothing that you guys can

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Speaker 2: what is it that I'm seeking?

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Speaker 1: What am I wanting more of connection? More love or

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Speaker 2: And I create that in my current life now and

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Speaker 2: then go, okay, I still want that, and that's okay.

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Speaker 2: That you want that, and then exploring what that might

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Speaker 1: I also haven't had gender disappointment, but I've had a

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Speaker 1: And it's something a lot a lot of people talk

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Speaker 2: I think what would be cool is to get curious

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Speaker 2: Like is it really something that you are so one

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Speaker 2: I am just not done, or is it a conversation

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Speaker 2: Where do you fall in that foo daily?

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Speaker 1: Because if it's a non negotiable, you do actually have

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Speaker 1: the choice to leave and find someone.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: My children, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm saying that, because I think it's

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Speaker 2: important to really figure out where you sit on the scale.

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Speaker 2: Maybe right now it's like the lines of blurred, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not really blowing off the family unit. Yeah, I did

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Speaker 1: say that when I used to speak to my friends.

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Speaker 1: If this is coming into play the whole gender disappointment.

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Speaker 1: When I wanted two boys, I had so many people

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Speaker 1: be like, oh my gosh, don't you want a daughter

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Speaker 1: I was like, if it's to be the cool Auntie ken,

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Speaker 1: I'm a missing out, Yes, Like I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: advice and go on holidays. Like, I don't think I

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Speaker 1: it's like you wanted what you wanted and that was

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Speaker 1: perfect for you. Yeah. I don't know if that's helpful

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Speaker 1: at all of my You might be listening being like

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Speaker 1: I get that, Yeah for sure, But yeah I wish

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Speaker 1: I had solutions. But that's the advice I would give. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we're sending you so much love what you're going through.

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Speaker 1: I think your heart's still grieving too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think over time maybe it might not feel as painful,

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Speaker 1: But right now it sounds like you're in the thick

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is giving yourself permission to

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Speaker 1: when Eversteve and I have gone through something where we're

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Speaker 1: Because it sounds like you're almost like separating from wanting

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Speaker 2: I think that's a beautiful day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but sending lots of.

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Speaker 2: how you go, what you think of this, and any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds good and well, hopefully we'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: Bye ladies, Bye,