WEBVTT - Sharri | 26 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Well said Andrew and good evening, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show tonight. Iran's catastrophic threat as Israel prepares

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<v Speaker 2>a ground invasion. Full details tonight of where this war

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<v Speaker 2>is heading. Meanwhile, Pennywong gives another lecture to Israel. More

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<v Speaker 2>on that in a moment Also tonight, Anthony Albanez he

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<v Speaker 2>tries to clean up his negative gearing mess, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>only made things worse, refusing to rule out changes and

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<v Speaker 2>hitting out at journalists again. Plus, debate around Labour's Misinformation

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<v Speaker 2>Bill is heating up as censorship concerns grow. Claire Lehman

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<v Speaker 2>will join me shortly, and the Left can't help but

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<v Speaker 2>dehumanize Donald Trump as it's revealed Iran is plotting to

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<v Speaker 2>kill the former president. Those details later when we cross

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<v Speaker 2>live to Adam Crichton in Washington, But first tonight, Iran

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<v Speaker 2>threatens Israel, warning of catastrophic consequences if the IDF continues

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<v Speaker 2>to target Hesbelah, but Israel is making it clear that

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<v Speaker 2>it is preparing for a ground invasion. This comes as

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<v Speaker 2>the US and France develop a plan for an immediate

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one day truce between Israel and Hesbelah. And here

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<v Speaker 2>was Joe Biden during an appearance on ABC's The View, and.

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<v Speaker 3>All our war is possible.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think there's also the opportunity we're still in

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<v Speaker 4>play to have a settlement that could fundamentally change the

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<v Speaker 4>whole region.

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<v Speaker 2>And Penny Wong once again seems to shrug her shoulders

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<v Speaker 2>at the constant threat of terrorism by urging Israel to

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<v Speaker 2>have a cease fire to stop.

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<v Speaker 5>We condemn Hisbelah's continue to text on Israel what I'll

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<v Speaker 5>do so again, Lebanese civilians cannot be made to pay

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<v Speaker 5>the price of defeating Isbellah. The global community has made

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<v Speaker 5>clear that this destructive cycle must stop. What has happened

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<v Speaker 5>in recent days only makes an immediate cease fire in

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<v Speaker 5>Gaza even more urgent. You would have heard me say

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<v Speaker 5>this before, and I say it again. Lebanon cannot become

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<v Speaker 5>the next Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be forgiven for wondering if Penniwog was the

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<v Speaker 2>Foreign Minister for the Middle East, given how much time

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<v Speaker 2>she spends speaking about and lecturing Israel, and just hours

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<v Speaker 2>ago she revealed that she'd met with the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>for Palestine. And I say that with inverted comments at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time as Israel is under siege from terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>groups on the north and the south. Well, Penniwog is

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<v Speaker 2>worried about Palestinian self determination.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what she tweeted.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, I spoke with the Palestine PMO about our

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to advancing the Palestinian people's legitimate aspiration to self determination.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is pressing for a ceasefire, urgent humanitarian access, release

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<v Speaker 2>of hostages and prevention of regional escalation. And as you

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<v Speaker 2>can see in that photograph, the Australian and Palestinian flag

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<v Speaker 2>side by side on the table that meeting, just a

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<v Speaker 2>week after the Palestinians put forward their one sided hostile

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<v Speaker 2>resolution that never mentioned Hamas, didn't mention the hostages, and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mention October seven, and instead called for boycotts of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and that it pay reparations. Well, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see Pennywong spend more time demanding the return of the hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>especially baby Kafir and his brother Ariel. Did she raise

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<v Speaker 2>them with the Palestinian Prime Minister? Did she raise them

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<v Speaker 2>at the United Nations? This is a very different approach

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<v Speaker 2>from the Coalition, which has showed immense understanding of what

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has been dealing with.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that people wouldn't be standing with Israel and

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<v Speaker 4>would be equivocating or somehow giving comfort in their language

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<v Speaker 4>to the Iranians is beyond anyone's comprehension.

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<v Speaker 6>Israel has been under attack from Hesbelah for many months,

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<v Speaker 6>hundreds of rockets being launched, thousands of people have been

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<v Speaker 6>forced to leave their homes, and Israel, as every nation,

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<v Speaker 6>has a right to self defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Penniwong needs to realize that the threat posed by radical

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<v Speaker 2>Islamic terror groups is to the West, including Australia, not

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<v Speaker 2>just to Israel. Iran's fight is against the West and

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and Israel is the first step, and

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<v Speaker 2>Iran is now threatening involvement of Israel continues to pursue Hesbelah.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran is a powerful, well funded animal. It's working increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>closely with China, Russia and North Korea to destabilize the

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<v Speaker 2>region and provoke war. The Iranian weapon capability has grown

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<v Speaker 2>in recent years, particularly during the Biden administration. Iran has

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<v Speaker 2>supplied lethal precision guided missiles to Hesbela and the Ayatolas

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<v Speaker 2>have fast tracked their weapons program to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>They've also been arming Russia against Ukraine, and just this week,

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<v Speaker 2>Reuter's reports that Iran is helping arm the Houthy rebels

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<v Speaker 2>with advanced missiles called P eight hundred ONYX from Russia

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<v Speaker 2>and this they're doing this to help the terror group

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<v Speaker 2>target commercial shipping in the Red Sea. Hermas's weaponry is

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly primitive compared to the Iranian supply to Hesbela,

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<v Speaker 2>and we hope that Israel has managed to destroy some

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<v Speaker 2>of those weapons over the past week.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question that if Iran does step in to

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<v Speaker 2>help Hezbalah and attack Israel, the United States will be

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<v Speaker 2>right behind Israel. And even Kamala Harris made this clear

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<v Speaker 2>in her debate against Trump that she would never withhold

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<v Speaker 2>weapons in a war with Iran. Yet we're seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats push hard for a ceasefire, which would be convenient

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<v Speaker 2>for them ahead of the US election. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to say they've broke it a peace deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Wall Street Journal editorial today makes the critical

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<v Speaker 2>point that the United States has responded to the terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>in the Red Sea with the equivalent of strongly worded letters,

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<v Speaker 2>small missile strikes that do no lasting damage to the Hooties' capabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wall Street Journal editorial says the administration feared a

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<v Speaker 2>more falseful response would lead to a regional war. The

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<v Speaker 2>irony is that US passivity has now led to a

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<v Speaker 2>growing regional conflict, and the Wall Street Journal editorials view

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<v Speaker 2>is that Joe Biden's foreign policy legacy is the disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>We're seeing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In my view, Israel seems to be the only country

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<v Speaker 2>with serious strength left globally. It's why it's genius and bolshy.

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<v Speaker 2>Pager attack was breathtaking and awe inspiring. The days of

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<v Speaker 2>American forces enjoying political support to hunt down terrorists seem

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<v Speaker 2>a distant memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The political focus of the left is to let the

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists live to have a ceasefire, rather than to track

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<v Speaker 2>down and kill each one that murdered civilians and took

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<v Speaker 2>children and babies hostage, hostages who still haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to return to their beds, their homes, or their loved ones.

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<v Speaker 2>It's disgraceful that the pressure once again is on Israel

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<v Speaker 2>to stand down being bombarded with eight thousand missiles, despite

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<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand Israelis having to flee their homes in the

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<v Speaker 2>North and despite twelve innocent children being murdered in a

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela strike, the grief and the agony is tangible, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw that last night in my interview with the

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<v Speaker 2>heartbreaking mother of little Elma who was killed in that

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela strike at the Majdal Shams. As former Labor Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Kelly said on my program this week, every country

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<v Speaker 2>has the obligation to protect its own citizens from acts

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<v Speaker 2>of war beyond their borders. Acts of war beyond their borders,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, this was an obligation, and Israel is fulfilling

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<v Speaker 2>its duty to keep its citizens safe under international law.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine Australia doing nothing if two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty ossies were taken hostage, if more than one thy

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred were killed and twelve children were murdered while

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<v Speaker 2>they were playing soccer. The Israeli Ambassador to Australia, Emir Maimon,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote today that there is still a diplomatic pathway to

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<v Speaker 2>regional stability, but that the international community needs to step up.

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<v Speaker 2>He says the international community should delegate Iran's Revolutionary Guard

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<v Speaker 2>CORE a terror group and increase sanctions on Iran, targeting

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<v Speaker 2>the Ayatola's regime and their financial, military and terror networks.

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<v Speaker 2>He says this would cripple their ability to finance HESBLA,

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<v Speaker 2>But he also argues that the UN Security Council should

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<v Speaker 2>enforce its own resolution which mandates that Hesbela has to

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<v Speaker 2>stay north of the Latani River, and this would prevent

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<v Speaker 2>its attacks on Israel. At the moment, it is virtually

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<v Speaker 2>militarized the area north of the border with Israel, and

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<v Speaker 2>the u WN has done nothing. Emir Maymond points out

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel stands at the forefront of this battle, defending

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<v Speaker 2>not just its citizens, but the security and values of

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<v Speaker 2>the free world, and this is a point that Pettiwong

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<v Speaker 2>seems to forget as she continues to demand that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>lay down its arms. Now another big show tonight, Economist

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<v Speaker 2>Judith Sloan will join me live in the studio to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Prime Minister's negative gearing debacle. Michael Downby

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<v Speaker 2>will also be on the show. He's going to speak

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<v Speaker 2>about the international community and their weakness in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran and Hezblah. All of that coming up will

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<v Speaker 2>also go live to Washington. But first let's get to

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<v Speaker 2>today's top stories with commentator Jason Morrison and Sky News

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<v Speaker 2>contributor Gary Hargrave.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you both. Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason, get your reaction first to Penny Wog and Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's weakness here, you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know, well two different degrees of weakness. I mean, Penny

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<v Speaker 7>Wong is all words. Joe Biden needs to be more

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<v Speaker 7>than words. But Penny Wog has a failure to connect

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<v Speaker 7>the problems that Israel is having to the problems that

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<v Speaker 7>we could face with.

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<v Speaker 8>Radical Islam in our country.

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<v Speaker 7>And this is, I think, consistently a problem. We sort

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<v Speaker 7>of pretend it's over there somewhere, you know, we're bringing

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<v Speaker 7>it here, and there is already a problem with radical

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<v Speaker 7>Islam in Australia. And as long as we continue to

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<v Speaker 7>kind of think it's everyone else's fault, there'll never be

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<v Speaker 7>an addressing of the actual issue. That's what she would

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<v Speaker 7>prefer to pray on, because it's an easier hit to

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<v Speaker 7>target Israel because the world is right now. Anyone who

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<v Speaker 7>wants to have a go is having a go at Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>Israel will do what it needs to do to defend

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<v Speaker 7>its people. It's doing what it needs to do to

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<v Speaker 7>defead its people, and it should be encouraged to do

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<v Speaker 7>so by nations like ours. Instead, we have this confused

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<v Speaker 7>buck each way position, which really is just a confused

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<v Speaker 7>reality of what Australia faces. Australia has similar problems, we

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<v Speaker 7>just don't see them like this now. And I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know why she can't see that there is a real

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<v Speaker 7>consistency with the two issues.

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<v Speaker 2>You think back to the wake of September eleven, Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one ever suggested that the United States shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>go try hunt down Osama bin Laden. But yet there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be this confusion now between which side is

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<v Speaker 2>right and which side is wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>Chari first, just congratulations on that fantastic editorial. I wish

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<v Speaker 9>I had my name at the end of that marvelous

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<v Speaker 9>contribution you just made. No, seriously, you've nailed it. You see,

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<v Speaker 9>Iran is all cashed up for a reason. Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 9>gave him the money, gave him access to all the

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<v Speaker 9>oil deposits, and they have been able to fund this

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<v Speaker 9>sort of dreadful stuff. And equally, the entire Arab world

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<v Speaker 9>was on track to actually recognize the right of Israel

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<v Speaker 9>to exist and Saudi Arabia we're ready to sign on

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<v Speaker 9>as well, and when the Saudis do it, a whole

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<v Speaker 9>lot of other people do too, and that they wanted.

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<v Speaker 9>They got concerned about Palestina. I don't for the life

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<v Speaker 9>we understand how a two state solution works, frankly, but anyway, Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 9>hamask good have.

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<v Speaker 1>A terror regime in control.

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<v Speaker 2>It could work, but not exactly a mask exact lasa,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got the triple h of a hatred.

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<v Speaker 9>The hood is the Hesbalah and Hamas. They did not

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<v Speaker 9>want that to happen. They did not want any Arab

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<v Speaker 9>world legitimacy for Israel to happen. They didn't want an

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<v Speaker 9>outbreak of peace, so they decided to go in murder people,

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<v Speaker 9>steal babies and all of those awful things that we

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<v Speaker 9>should never forget. On the seventh of October last year,

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<v Speaker 9>almost a year ago. They did this deliberately to create

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<v Speaker 9>the mess that's currently happening. So everybody who has died,

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<v Speaker 9>civilian or military is on the back of those three organizations,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's awful. No one wants more, No one wants this.

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<v Speaker 9>But you know, unless Israel now follows on from that

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<v Speaker 9>marvelous or inspiring beeper and walkie talkie attack the other week,

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<v Speaker 9>while Hezbela is completely weak. They're completely disoriented, and what

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<v Speaker 9>have we got the left internationally, Penny Wong is part

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<v Speaker 9>of the international left. Don't kid yourself. She is an

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<v Speaker 9>international leftist. And her whole attitude is, yeah, look, let's

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<v Speaker 9>just weaken Israel. You know, let's just make it easy

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<v Speaker 9>for the left in America who started this by giving

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<v Speaker 9>legitimacy back to Iran when Trump had them on their

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<v Speaker 9>financial knees. And I just think that don't think the

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<v Speaker 9>world should forget that the left internationally are trying to

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<v Speaker 9>ruin the West. These terrorist organizations are the spear throwers

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<v Speaker 9>and Israel. You are right, Israel is the country with

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<v Speaker 9>the coherency standing consistently in favor of Western civilization. This

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<v Speaker 9>is a really serious thing, to Jason's point, serious for

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<v Speaker 9>US and countries life.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed very well, said Gary, that was brilliant, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the right point that they can.

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<v Speaker 7>Separate things in their heads. How Penny one can separate

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<v Speaker 7>these issues and almost forget like I write it off

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<v Speaker 7>as history, that it happens so long ago, the October

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<v Speaker 7>seventh thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a separate chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to many people to many people. They're reliving

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<v Speaker 2>that day over and over again. The hostages still aren't home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, baby Kafa was only nine months when he

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<v Speaker 2>was taken. He had his first birthday there. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if he's alive or not. We just pray he is,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Little kids still held hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>How that isn't what world leaders are demanding at the

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations rather than putting pressure on Israel is beyond me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's turn to and we're going to come back

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<v Speaker 2>to this topic with Michael Downby.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's talk now about the Prime Minister, because Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albinizi is clearly under pressure. He's getting snappy during interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>He struggles to answer basic see questions. Just have a

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<v Speaker 2>look at his performance with Pete Stefanovic this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have no plans to touch it or change

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<v Speaker 3>negative gearing. What we did with our income tax changes

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<v Speaker 3>was to deliver a tax cup for every Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Live doing you live, you would doing that, guess what, Pete?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well if I did so, pleady Dutton because they

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<v Speaker 3>voted for it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll play a bit more of that on the show later.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jason, look this clearly isn't a good look. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Albinezi government must be keeping negative gearing

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<v Speaker 2>changes on the table because the PM couldn't say in

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<v Speaker 2>any interviews today and he did a sweep of them,

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't categorically say that they're not going to touch.

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<v Speaker 7>It, because categorically they don't want to not touch it.

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<v Speaker 7>They want to have a go at it. They want

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<v Speaker 7>people to think they're interested in having you at it

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<v Speaker 7>because you know, I work with a bunch of younger

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<v Speaker 7>people and when they heard that, they went, oh, that's good,

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<v Speaker 7>because that's the that's the kind of view that you

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<v Speaker 7>have when you think that everyone else is getting something

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<v Speaker 7>that you're not. And that's what he wants to give off.

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<v Speaker 7>He wants that vibe out there that he gets them,

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<v Speaker 7>he understands it. So it's once again, it's buck each

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<v Speaker 7>way albow, just like Penny Wong, were going to confuse

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<v Speaker 7>the messages out there. But why did he sharp talking

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<v Speaker 7>to Peter Stefanovick. I think this is interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>this underniably is the opinion end of the day at

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<v Speaker 7>Sky News, that's the news end of the day, So

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<v Speaker 7>he would have been expecting a bit of ping pong,

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<v Speaker 7>because that's what he gets when he goes on the

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<v Speaker 7>morning news programs and it's pretty much a comfortable run.

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<v Speaker 7>And every now and then you get picked up by

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<v Speaker 7>someone on Sunrise, or you might get a curly one

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<v Speaker 7>from someone of the ABC, but you're not expecting that.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think, you know, what is it Grahame Richardson's

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<v Speaker 7>line when when people work you out, they work you out.

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<v Speaker 7>And a lot of people have worked him out. And

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<v Speaker 7>the Peter Stefanovick interview yesterday showed me this morning, showed

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<v Speaker 7>me that he's worked him out. And the reaction since

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<v Speaker 7>from so many viewers is they've worked him out too.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, I wonder if he'll go on Peter interview.

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<v Speaker 2>But Gary, how do you think this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>translate to voters? And they're just going to get the

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<v Speaker 2>message that this might be another broken promise, won't they?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>And it's also and Shari, it's also the thin eaves

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<v Speaker 9>of the weds. There's four trillion dollars worth of money

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<v Speaker 9>sitting with baby boomers that is going to translate to

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<v Speaker 9>the next generation. It's a generational wealth is going to transfer.

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<v Speaker 9>Treasury wants a slice of it, so negative gearing capital

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<v Speaker 9>gains tax, that's just the thin edge of a wedge

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<v Speaker 9>towards inheritance tax, towards death duties and all these things.

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<v Speaker 9>Albo has a set piece move in mind about housing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>to Jason's point, he just wants to sound like a

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<v Speaker 9>good bloke. But in the end, all of these attempts

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<v Speaker 9>by government to take money out of your pocket or

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<v Speaker 9>your parents' pocket or whatever else so that the government

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<v Speaker 9>gets a share of it is going to rob us

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<v Speaker 9>of an opportunity to make personal wealth ourselves. He's trying

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<v Speaker 9>to kill off the idea that people can make a

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<v Speaker 9>difference in their own lives, that government is the only

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<v Speaker 9>way to go. That's basically what this is. This bloke

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<v Speaker 9>I reckon more than the warmth of the handshake from

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<v Speaker 9>Joe Biden transferred to elbow during his trip to America,

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<v Speaker 9>and he's picked up a few Carmela Harris traits. What

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<v Speaker 9>they're calling now in America they're calling drunken Hallmark, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>like sort of all over the place, platitudinal rubbish. And

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<v Speaker 9>this is not a good prime minister. And this is

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<v Speaker 9>a very bad look from a bad prime minister. He

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't understand detail. That's the other problem.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, clapping at the screen soon, No.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on fire tonight, Gary, But it's true he's not

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<v Speaker 2>across the detail.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton has weighed into concerns today around Mark Scott's

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<v Speaker 2>leadership or lack of it at the University of Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>and Darton says that Mark Scott should stand aside after

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<v Speaker 2>that set an inquiry where he admitted that he'd failed

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish staff and students.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he was Dutton with Ray Hadley earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>I think both then Scott and David thirty should resign.

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<v Speaker 4>If the head any shred of tegrity.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have resigned by now.

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<v Speaker 4>Both men were aware of a situation, even though they

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<v Speaker 4>might deny it, and I don't think their positions are tenable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Jason again, this is strength from Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>but he is saying the obvious. Mark Scott, as vice

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<v Speaker 2>chancellor at the University of Sydney has comprehensively failed in

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<v Speaker 2>that role to protect students from racism aggression.

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<v Speaker 7>Mark Scott has a reasonable man, by the way, at

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<v Speaker 7>a person level, is a reasonable man. However, he has

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<v Speaker 7>spent a career in probably the last fifteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 7>years dodging everything, dodging whatever comes his way. He's very

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<v Speaker 7>good at it. And anything that's controversial, be in his

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<v Speaker 7>education role, be it. For that matter, when he worked

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<v Speaker 7>at the ABC and had a leadership role there, he

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<v Speaker 7>had an ability to dodge the hard ones that were

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<v Speaker 7>coming his way. And this will be another. Now you

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<v Speaker 7>asked the question, should he go? It is remarkable that

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<v Speaker 7>he hasn't, and more so that the ABA, that the

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<v Speaker 7>GOSP nearly blame them for this one, that the universe,

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<v Speaker 7>his board hasn't kind of said, mate, you've let down

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<v Speaker 7>the staff. I mean, bug at the students for a second.

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<v Speaker 7>You've let down the staff and you've got a legal

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<v Speaker 7>obligation to the staff. He knows that, he knows he's

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<v Speaker 7>roasting right now. But you watch him because he's very

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<v Speaker 7>very good at that. He is a great dodger of bullets.

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<v Speaker 7>He's one of the great Sydney characters who's never actually

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<v Speaker 7>had one firmly hit him. And you know this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Should metaphorically metaphorically of course, Yeah, yeah, all of that, Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you know, part of a generation of leaders who

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<v Speaker 9>don't know how to lead. They want to look for

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<v Speaker 9>someone else to blame, and that's not the hallmark of

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<v Speaker 9>a good leader. You actually do have to take responsibility.

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<v Speaker 9>The buck ends somewhere near you, and that really is

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<v Speaker 9>what he's failed to do here. He should go if

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<v Speaker 9>he had any decency in honor. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 9>about his character or anything, but seriously, from sinecure to

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<v Speaker 9>sinecure to sinecure, this bloke needs to understand the real

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<v Speaker 9>word world doesn't operate like that. You make a muck

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<v Speaker 9>up like this, You've got to take responsibility. Bye bye, Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed, Ran.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's a long time since he's worked in the

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<v Speaker 7>real world A long time. Yeah, another to another to another.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you start to get a warp view of

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<v Speaker 7>perspective after a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Jason Morris and Gary Hargrave, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>both very much for your time. Now, Claire Lehman is

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on the show to speak about misinformation in

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<v Speaker 2>just a moment. But now let's return to the top

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<v Speaker 2>story this week around warning of catastrophic consequences, Israel preparing

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<v Speaker 2>for a ground invasion of Lebanon, and joining mid Our

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<v Speaker 2>live from Melbourne is former labor minista from a chair

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<v Speaker 2>of a committee, I should say, Michael Dwanby Michael, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for your time. Look, let's start with

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<v Speaker 2>the international community approach here to call for a cease

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<v Speaker 2>fire rather than supporting the elimination of the terror threat.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of this approach?

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<v Speaker 11>It's about time they enforced you and Resolution Resolutions seventeen

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<v Speaker 11>oh one, which promised during the last conflict in two

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<v Speaker 11>thousand and six that the murderous militia Hasvela would be

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<v Speaker 11>withdrawn thirty kilometers from the Israeli border to the Litani River.

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<v Speaker 11>That'd be a better beginning than calling for Israel to

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<v Speaker 11>stand down after it's been forced into a military conflict

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<v Speaker 11>with this Iranian proxy has blah, So very nice for

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<v Speaker 11>Penny Wong and Joe Biden to wrap it on about

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<v Speaker 11>immediate ceasefires for twenty one days. Where were they during

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<v Speaker 11>the last eleven and a half months as the Iranian

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<v Speaker 11>proxy lobbed missiles into northern Israel, depopulating it and forcing

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<v Speaker 11>the border twenty or thirty kilometers south. Why doesn't Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 11>instead of talking this rubbish, enforce the congressionally mandated oil

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<v Speaker 11>sanctions against Iran, which is paying for all of this,

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<v Speaker 11>selling cheap Iranian oil to China. Over the last three

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 11>years of the Biden administration has financed and funded Hezbollah

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<v Speaker 11>puties and Amas. You don't have to go to war,

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<v Speaker 11>you don't have to call for cease fires. You don't

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<v Speaker 11>have to enforce one rule on the Israelis. You have

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<v Speaker 11>to enforce your own congressional legislation. Joe Biden and I

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<v Speaker 11>cannot understand how America lets the sewers canal to be

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<v Speaker 11>blocked Israeli cities to receive missiles from these Uranian proxies,

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<v Speaker 11>and then calls for cease fires. Israelis have to stand

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<v Speaker 11>down and let Hezbollai. It's rubbish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, as the Wall Street Journal put it so well today,

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<v Speaker 2>the US weakness is in part what's led to our

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<v Speaker 2>enemies becoming so emboldened. But Michael, you've spent a lot

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of time in Ukraine as well, since the war there

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<v Speaker 2>began with.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia, We're seeing this is quite linked here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing the emerging access of evil Iran, China, Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea. We are not so much in this sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but supplying weapons, supporting each other in these wars, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something that not everyone has grasped that

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<v Speaker 2>there is this support of weaponry between Iran and Russia.

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<v Speaker 11>I wish candidate Trump saw things as clearly as you

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<v Speaker 11>do Shari. Of course, there's this actus. The Iranians are

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<v Speaker 11>providing these Shahi drones which are murdering innocent Ukrainian people

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<v Speaker 11>all over that vast country of Ukraine, and the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 11>Russia and China, together with North Korea are all working

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<v Speaker 11>hand in glove. But we had a catastrophic mistake from

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<v Speaker 11>Zelenski today during the election to go to Pennsylvania and

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<v Speaker 11>visit an ammunition factory, which are really upset Trump. And

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<v Speaker 11>Trump has virtually said that he will defund Ukraine if

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<v Speaker 11>he's elected. So not good days for those of us

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<v Speaker 11>who believe in the United democracies, a united free world.

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<v Speaker 11>The United States working with NATO, and for Penny Wong

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<v Speaker 11>and Biden to go rabbiting on against the only country

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<v Speaker 11>that's fighting its excess of evil, Israel, is just completely

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<v Speaker 11>counterproductive to our collective interest. It's not just an issue

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<v Speaker 11>of Israel, and I think, as Gary Hargrave said, it's

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<v Speaker 11>an issue that affects all of US, as Bob Hook said,

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<v Speaker 11>if Israel fools, the whole of Western civilization falls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, the toll bell, the bell toll for mankind. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he said, Michael downb thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>your time, and completely agree with your point. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>about Donald Trump, those comments today and Ukraine were horrifying,

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, I mean, why isn't he standing there calling

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<v Speaker 2>out Putin?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is he putting all the pressure on Zelenski?

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<v Speaker 11>Who it's a victory for Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, as isolationist

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<v Speaker 11>group seems to have influenced his brain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrifying. You don't know who's in his ear.

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<v Speaker 2>But we need the Republicans, who are very strong in

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<v Speaker 2>national security to talk some sense into him. Because the

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>fact that Donald Trump stood up there today and put

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure on Zelensky, whose country is under siege, who's

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<v Speaker 2>been heroic in leading his people in holding off Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people thought Russia would be able to

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<v Speaker 2>just sweep in and take over, and they haven't. Putin

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't been able to do that, be.

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<v Speaker 11>Laying down their lives, and all we're doing is providing

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<v Speaker 11>them with the ammunition. Well, Adam, government isn't even giving

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 11>them weapons that we've got ear for spare.

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<v Speaker 1>Well out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I, like you, I despair at the leadership around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, including in Australia. Right now, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>turn to Labour's Misinformation Bill, because there are serious concerns

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<v Speaker 2>that the Albanezi government's legislation will threaten free speech. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's former Chief Medical Officer, doctor Nick Coatsworth, is the

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<v Speaker 2>latest hype profile figure to slam the government's and he

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<v Speaker 2>says it should be rejected in its entirety.

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<v Speaker 1>He warns that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would censor serious health discussion, like what happened during the

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic when legitimate debate around COVID was branded misinformation. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>bring in now Quillette founding editor Claire Lehman.

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<v Speaker 1>Claire, great to see you. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You've written multiple brilliant articles on this topic. You're saying

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<v Speaker 2>that this legislation would seek to control public discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the main issues?

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<v Speaker 10>The main issues? Shariah that the term misinformation is often

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<v Speaker 10>used to silence unpopular opinions, and anyone who's who's writing

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 10>a bill trying to outlaw misinformation or require social media

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<v Speaker 10>companies to outlaw misinformation, is massively underestimating how difficult it

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<v Speaker 10>is to arrive at the truth. You know, we know

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 10>that truth exists, it is out there, and we would

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<v Speaker 10>all like there to be fewer lies in the world.

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<v Speaker 10>But it's incredibly difficult to arrive at the truth. And

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 10>we all have differing opinions, and that's why we have

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<v Speaker 10>the courts. That's why we have enterprises such as science,

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 10>which are quite adversarial, by the way, so we can

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 10>arrive at the truth. Now, imagining that some paper pushes,

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 10>some bureaucrats sitting in an office can somehow miraculously be

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<v Speaker 10>the world experts on every single subject you know, known

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<v Speaker 10>to man, and they can determine what is the truth

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<v Speaker 10>and what is the misinformation on absolutely everything is bonkers.

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<v Speaker 10>But this is essentially what the bill is proposing. It's

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<v Speaker 10>proposing that social media companies basically enforce a code of

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<v Speaker 10>conduct and you know, sensor misinformation if it caused, if

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<v Speaker 10>it threatens to cause serio is harm to public health,

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<v Speaker 10>the Australian economy, electoral processes, referendums and so on. I mean,

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 10>just take the voice referendum for exam. Good example, the

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 10>proponents of the Voice who lost the referendum will tell

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<v Speaker 10>you that they lost because of misinformation. I mean they

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 10>might say that was one cause of many, but they

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<v Speaker 10>still will argue that misinformation was an important factor. Now

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<v Speaker 10>you know, that's an opinion, and many people had differing opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>So Claire, by the way, we saw the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>stand up in Parliament and say that the No campaigners

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<v Speaker 2>were spreading misinformation. So if this is what the Prime

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Minister is saying, misinformation, and he's then introducing a misinformation bill,

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<v Speaker 2>well there is legitimate reason to be concerned that misinformation

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<v Speaker 2>could be used for political purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this is a risk.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, it's a huge risk. I mean Chris Bowen, the

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<v Speaker 10>Energy Minister, already describes the coalition's policies and many of

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<v Speaker 10>the statements put forward by experts, and you know experts

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<v Speaker 10>like nuclear engineers as disinformation, not even misinformation, but actually disinformation.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 10>I mean, the whole thing is ironic because I was

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<v Speaker 10>looking on Twitter now x at a tweet where Chris

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 10>Bowen was describing Peter Dutton's nuclear policy as disinformation. But

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 10>Chris Bowen's post itself was flagged with a notice but

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 10>Twitter saying that it was misleading and deceptive itself. So

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<v Speaker 10>you know, we've got the people who are often using

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<v Speaker 10>the term misinformation are purveyors of misinformation themselves. And I'm

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<v Speaker 10>really quite surprised this bill has got gained traction at all.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, it takes just, you know, twenty minutes of

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<v Speaker 10>critical thinking, maybe two minutes of critical thinking to pull

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<v Speaker 10>it apart and realize how impossible it will be to

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<v Speaker 10>actually enforce it. And then if we do try and

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<v Speaker 10>enforce it, we'll be living in a totalitarian state.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>And the objection is, the objections to this legislation come

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<v Speaker 2>from both sides, right and left, and it's perplexing that

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the government is persisting with it given there is no

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>one who is actually supporting it. But it's another sign

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a piece of woke legislation basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Even your commentary as well as you're writing, is simply brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you joining us tonight. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sherry now still to come on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>The ABC back in the Headlines for all the wrong reasons.

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Chair Kim Williams gave a.

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<v Speaker 2>Speech last night about fake news, but didn't manage to

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<v Speaker 2>mention the Doctor Audio saga plus Judah Sloan's take on

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<v Speaker 2>Alban Eazy's negative gearing debacle.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll join me live in studio after this quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister tried to clear up his negative gearing

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>mess in a series of interviews today, but he only

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<v Speaker 2>made the situation worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Albanize he has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Accused of using the same language that he used before

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<v Speaker 2>changing the Stage three tax cuts. He hasn't ruled it out,

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't guaranteed he wouldn't make changes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just said he has no plans.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look, well, we have no plans to touch

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 3>it or change negative gearing. We have no plans.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're considering taking negative gearing reform and capital games

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<v Speaker 2>tax reform to the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're not well.

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<v Speaker 2>That was an eerily similar turn of phrase to how

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Albaneze spoke before he changed the Stage three tax cuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I can confirm that we haven't changed our position, but

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<v Speaker 3>we have no change to our plans.

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<v Speaker 12>Tax cuts will happen in July.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't changed our position. I've said and changed our position.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't changed our.

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<v Speaker 13>Position on the Stage three text cuts well.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Peter Duartton took the opportunity to launch a political attack

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 2>over this.

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 4>Today the Treasurer dumps this story out there and then

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 4>he jumps on a plane to go to China, so

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 4>he's nowhere to answer questions. And the Prime Minister keeps

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 4>changing his story about whether the government is adopting the

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Green's policy to abolish negative gearing or to cap it,

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<v Speaker 4>what are they doing in relation to capital gains discount

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<v Speaker 4>and what does that mean for uncertainty in the economy,

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 4>And the Prime Minister can't answer a question with honesty.

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.439
<v Speaker 2>But these are legitimate questions about whether the government does

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.919
<v Speaker 2>have plans to change negative gearing. Around one point two

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 2>million Australians negatively gear their properties and others hope to

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>do so one day. Scrapping this would essentially be attax

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<v Speaker 2>on aspiration. Now for more, I'm joined by economist and

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<v Speaker 2>columnist Judith Sloan.

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<v Speaker 1>Judith, great to have you live here in Sydney. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your time. Now let's start with negative gearing

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and then we'll get to inflation. So this is now

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>being floated.

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 2>It's unclear whether the government wanted this debate or not,

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>but the Prime Minister has chosen not to categorically rule

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of how he's handling this?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, who knows, frankly, I mean, I guess one interpretation

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 12>is that the sort of economic reform agenda is looking

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 12>extremely thin and maybe he feels he has to put

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 12>something there. But you know, actually, if you go through

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 12>the numbers, I mean, mind you my favorite was my

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 12>word is my bond before?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, why would he do this.

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 12>Because you would almost or inevitably have to grandfather exactly

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 12>so once your grandfather. The kind of revenue gain you

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.760
<v Speaker 12>get from this is actually tight. Even at the moment,

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<v Speaker 12>the tax benefit to those who negatively gear properties is

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<v Speaker 12>about two point seven billion, so under three billion. Now

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<v Speaker 12>you know the government spending over seven hundred billions. So

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 12>in other words, it's what economists would call working on

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 12>the wrong side of the decimal point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if he was going to do it, I agree,

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>there would be hardly any budget revenue because it would

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>have to be grandfathered. No point, He'd only be doing

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 2>it for political reason to try win back some of

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the support that he feels he's losing to the Greens.

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Probably is losing to the Greens because there is the

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>sense that the Greens are owning the housing crisis political

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>argument at the minute. But you know, there is a

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>suggestion that he could do something similar to what he

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 2>did on stuperannuation, where you know, he picked such a

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 2>high figure three million dollars that the average person might

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>not object to that. So maybe he'd say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll scrap negative gearing on someone who has over five properties.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, again, you can do that, but that's seriously working

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 12>on the wrong side of the decimal point because we

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 12>know what the distribution of negative gearers looks like, and

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 12>it's really only a relatively small number who have multiple properties.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 12>But here's the thing, for anyone who understands even a

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 12>little bit about finance, if they did that, they probably

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:19.959
<v Speaker 12>those multiple property owners would probably incorporate themselves, at which

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 12>point you can deduct off the expenses if you're part

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 12>of a company. So it may not even work.

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, to me, that is what.

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<v Speaker 12>You'd call just a sort of a totemic gesture where

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 12>we don't like rich multiple property owners and we're going

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 12>to do something about it.

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.959
<v Speaker 2>And they've always hated negative gearing, been part of their

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>class warfare.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you know they hate negative gearing like they you know,

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 12>a pro Palestine. If you then actually ask them to

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 12>give me a few paragraphs about why they hate negative gearing,

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 12>they probably would find a difficult Oh, we have.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Nothing against property owners, nothing against Jews, it's all they Here's.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>The most important point.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, how negative gearing works is that it subsidizes renters.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's right.

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 12>If you don't have negative gearing, rents will go up. Now,

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 12>why would the Greens and why would labor support its abolition?

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 12>It just seems extremely well, it's just bizarre.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. I just want to finish on inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw the IBA governor Michelle Bullock this week say that, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>we might see an CPI figure the following day with

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the two in front of it. We did, of course,

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>two point seven percent. But she made the point that

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the inflation battle is an over rate cut. Well, she said,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, inflation won't get to the target range until

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>the end of twenty twenty five, won't be sustainable until

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, so we're not really looking at a

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>rate cut anytime soon. But do you think her message

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 2>was particularly tough as a warning to the market. So

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, she wasn't going to raise rates, but the

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 2>second next best thing was to was to have a

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 2>tough warning about it.

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 12>I don't think they are going to raise race. I

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 12>mean I've become a real fan of Michelle's. I mean

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.720
<v Speaker 12>it's better than watching a soap opera watching her pres

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 12>cos she's very good. She's getting better. And I mean

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 12>one of the new adjectives that was coming into her

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 12>discussion was sustainable. Now it seems to me what that's

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 12>saying is that they might get one quarter within the

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 12>range two to three percent, But it sounds to me

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 12>that they'd have to get two quarters at least within

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 12>that range, and that if you kind of know when

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 12>the figures are coming out, that's more than six months away.

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 12>So the likelihood, I think of a cash rate cut

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 12>before the election is now pretty low.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Prime Minister will be pretty disappointed with that,

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>because that's the political platform he was hoping for her

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>to then call the election.

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>He wanted a rate cut done enough on cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>Judith Sloane really appreciate your time, Thank you, sir, Charry.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Now still to come.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>The migration headaches just keep coming for labor with international

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>student visa appeals skyrocketing. I'll talk about that with the

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>panel next. Plus could Donald Trump face a third assassination attempt?

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 2>We'll cross live to the US a bit later.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, plenty more to speak about, so let's bring in

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<v Speaker 2>now Darren Barnett to Julia Gillard's former press secretary and

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>LNP Senator James McGrath. Great to see you both. Let's

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 2>start with Kim Williams, the ABC chair. Look, he's given

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 2>a big speech where he called out fake news and misinformation,

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>yet still hasn't taken action to remove the abcne's own

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 2>fake news, the Heston Russell doctor audio scandal.

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Here's what Kim Williams said last night.

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<v Speaker 13>The world is in the middle of a crisis of

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 13>mistrust of information. Our devices are a wash with this

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 13>fake news. People are on edge about what is real

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 13>and it is producing a radical mistrust of mainstream news

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 13>sources too.

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>James, how can he stand there and speak about fake

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>news when the ABC is dealing with its own fake news.

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Saga that it hasn't properly apologized for.

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 14>It's a classic case of do as I say, not

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 14>as I do. The latest chairman of the ABC, will

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 14>soon realize that he is powerless to do anything about

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 14>that organization. It is a giant blob that just wants

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 14>to dominate anything in everything. But I am going to

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 14>give him one call out and this will surprise your

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.280
<v Speaker 14>viewers who know I'm a big critic of the ABC.

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 14>He did say he wants to see an end of

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 14>activist journalism. Well that's nice to dream, but let's see

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 14>if he delivers on that. He hasn't delivered on Hesson Russell.

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 14>He's probably not going to deliver that, and also so

0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 14>he needs to buckle up and deliver.

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 8>What do you think, Darren, I think keep your mouth

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 8>shut to be brially honest that if you're running a

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 8>media organization, there are always going to be people who

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 8>agree with what you do. Others who don't agree with

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 8>what you do. They have some form that you've just

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 8>spoken about. Just don't go there. It's not necessary. So

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 8>just talk about something.

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, don't go though as a virtue signaler while

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>you're dealing.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:22.800
<v Speaker 1>With your own mess.

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 8>It just makes you a target and creates a day

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 8>of news about the ABC, which is unhelpful. So don't

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 8>go there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and look, the Heston Russell saga is continuing

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 2>because it still hasn't been dealt with. Let's turn to

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the reports today that our court systems are about to

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 2>be swamped by international students who are appealing against the

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 2>cancelation of their visas. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is reportedly

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>already being bogged down with review applications. Nearly five thousand

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>lodged in July and August this year. James, there's almost

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred thousand foreign students in the country at the moment,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 2>So you know, can our courts can our country afford

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to deal with it? Looks like our migration levels are

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be higher than the government forecast.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 14>Tony Burke is starting to make Andrew Giles look like

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 14>a competent minister. This is something that should scare all Australians.

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<v Speaker 14>As Peter Darton said today, it is the modern version

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 14>of the boat arrivals. What's going to happen is these

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 14>international students who are lodging over two thousand appeals a

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 14>month are going to be used by lawyers to play

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.280
<v Speaker 14>the system. This is going to go on for months

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 14>and years. We've got seven hundred thousand of them in

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 14>Australia thanks to places like the University of Sydney who've

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 14>used them as cash cows. So this is another immigration

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 14>mess of the labor parties making.

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Look, that was a fascinating new political attack line. Darren

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>from Peter Darton today he was in wa and he said,

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>this is the new version of boat arrivals.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's wait and say, we have to see what happens

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 8>in the AAT and through other types of appeal, But

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 8>certainly the numbers are staggering. The numbers of international students

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 8>are very high. The cuts are also very high, so

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 8>we're going to have to wait and see how the

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 8>system plays out. I'm not sure that people have the

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 8>same general attitude towards international students as they do towards

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 8>boat arrivals. But still any blowout in migration in the

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 8>current climate in the lead up to the election, because

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 8>it then feeds into cost of living, it feeds into

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 8>interest rates, it feeds into supermarket prices. So it's an

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 8>issue that labour needs to contain and they need to

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 8>be seen to be keeping a lid on it.

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 2>And there's no question that the big Australia migration issue

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>is going to be one of the main political issues

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 2>that will be fought over ahead of the next election. Now,

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to get your thoughts on this negative gearing

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 2>debate that's been front page news this week. James, the PM,

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 2>clearly was happy to keep this lightly on the table.

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 2>He didn't categorically rule it out. Do you think it'll

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>buy him votes with the younger demographic that would make

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>up for the one point two million Australian too.

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Negatively gear their properties.

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 14>Won't make him any votes at all. And in fact

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 14>I would love him to try and play along with

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 14>negative gearing because we'll make the next election a referendum

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 14>on that, because so many people in Australia want to

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 14>be able to buy their own home, but they also

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 14>want to buy an investment property and they use negative

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 14>gearing to do that. What this week has actually shown

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 14>is the Prime Minister, who quote unquote said I'm not

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 14>the Treasurer, you'll have to ask him, is actually just

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 14>not across the detail when it comes to anything to

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 14>do with economic policy, which is the main reason we

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 14>have a federal government. It's to protect our borders and

0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 14>have secure economic policy. It's Alboins. Call an election and

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 14>call it on negative gearing and we'll meet you.

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>You'll run a scare campaign.

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 14>We'll run a truth campaign. That's what we'll do.

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no doubt there'll be big political attacks. But Darren,

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I want to get your take. You're a former Labor

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>government media advisor. Would the Labor Party have wanted this debate?

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of speculation about whether this

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>was a drop, so to speak to the Herald, or

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 2>a leak.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.400
<v Speaker 8>Look, I can't see why you would technically, why you

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 8>would drop that story when Gym's on a plane to

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 8>China where he wants to talk about a bunch of

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 8>other things, including removing tariffs on seafood and other very

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 8>important matters for trade. You would not drop that story

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.800
<v Speaker 8>when your main economic person is out of the country. Therefore,

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 8>how did it come out? Is it something that is

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.479
<v Speaker 8>it a good journo get or is it a leak?

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 8>We don't know the answer to that, but certainly the

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 8>conversations I had today, it was not planned to be

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 8>on the front pages today, particularly with the very favorable

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 8>numbers on inflation that came out yesterday. It should have

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 8>been a clean good news day and a good news story. Instead,

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 8>Labor created its own ski campaign on what was otherwise

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:12.439
<v Speaker 8>a good media day.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, that makes sense to me. Darren Barnett,

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 2>James McGrath. Great to see both of you. Now, coming

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 2>up after the break, we'll go live to Washington. The

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>latest celebrity to weigh into the debate will be Goldberg.

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>This time we'll give you all of that news. Next.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go live to the United States. Now,

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by the Australians Washington correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam,

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 2>great to see you. Look, after two failed assassination attempts,

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>there is a risk that Trump could be targeted again.

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 2>There are concerns about his security and now we're learning

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 2>via media reports that there are briefings that potentially there

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>are threats from Iran.

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>What can you tell us, Yeah.

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 15>Certainly, Look, they've there've recently been some statements from US

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.959
<v Speaker 15>intelligence officials and also from the Trump campaign that there's

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 15>been another at least planned attempt on Donald Trump's life.

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 15>There was a plot that's been foiled, and as you said,

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 15>it was by Iran. It's not clear whether this is

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 15>the same plot that was reported back in July, after

0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 15>the actual assassination attempt, of course at Butler, Pennsylvania. So

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 15>it's not sure whether this is a fourth attempt, if

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 15>you like, but certainly there's there's a really a huge

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 15>risk around Trump's life. I mean, you really have to

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 15>give the man credit, I think for his kind of

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 15>bravery and the way he's handled it all since you know,

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 15>since July, I mean there's basically been two actual attempts,

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 15>and then there's all these other planned foiled ones, including

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 15>from Iran. So yeah, look, I mean you'd have to

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 15>say that, you know, the prospect that there's another serious

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 15>attempt on his life before the fifth of November is

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:48.959
<v Speaker 15>very real.

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>There's also accusations that would be Goldberg on the view,

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 2>could be accused of inciting violence.

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us what's happened?

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 15>Uh, well, it's actually the first I've heard about woopi

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 15>Goldberg Zerry.

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, you can play it to you.

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's play it.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's play you what happened here? It is? Have a look.

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.760
<v Speaker 6>Then he just wouldn't go, Who's like a bug?

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.760
<v Speaker 12>He just kept being there, Who's like a like a bug?

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Right there?

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>So you felt, Yeah, So she's mocking the assassination attempt

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 2>on Trump at him.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 15>Well, look, this is hardly a surprise from you know,

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 15>from that show and from that group of women. I mean,

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 15>they're extremely anti Republican, extremely anti Trump. But actually, I

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 15>don't think it really hurts Trump, to be honest. I mean,

0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 15>I think when they come out and say things like that,

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 15>and they you know, they praise Democrats, I think it's

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 15>a reminder to ordinary American voters that it's the wealthy people,

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 15>the celebrities that tend to support Democrats, and I don't

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 15>think that's really a help at all for Democrats. So look,

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 15>I don't think it hurts Trump. I mean, you know,

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:58.399
<v Speaker 15>of course, it goes to their character, but I don't

0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 15>think it, you know, it hurts.

0:49:59.400 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Trump at all.

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and of course we saw a lot of Hollywood

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>stars earlier this week come out in support of Kamala

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 2>as well. Adam Crichton, thank you for your time. I'll

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 2>see you Monday at eight pm. And here's Paul Murray