Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Well said Andrew and good evening, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show tonight. Iran's catastrophic threat as Israel prepares
Speaker 2: a ground invasion. Full details tonight of where this war
Speaker 2: is heading. Meanwhile, Pennywong gives another lecture to Israel. More
Speaker 2: on that in a moment Also tonight, Anthony Albanez he
Speaker 2: tries to clean up his negative gearing mess, but he's
Speaker 2: only made things worse, refusing to rule out changes and
Speaker 2: hitting out at journalists again. Plus, debate around Labour's Misinformation
Speaker 2: Bill is heating up as censorship concerns grow. Claire Lehman
Speaker 2: will join me shortly, and the Left can't help but
Speaker 2: dehumanize Donald Trump as it's revealed Iran is plotting to
Speaker 2: kill the former president. Those details later when we cross
Speaker 2: live to Adam Crichton in Washington, But first tonight, Iran
Speaker 2: threatens Israel, warning of catastrophic consequences if the IDF continues
Speaker 2: to target Hesbelah, but Israel is making it clear that
Speaker 2: it is preparing for a ground invasion. This comes as
Speaker 2: the US and France develop a plan for an immediate
Speaker 2: twenty one day truce between Israel and Hesbelah. And here
Speaker 2: was Joe Biden during an appearance on ABC's The View, and.
Speaker 3: All our war is possible.
Speaker 4: But I think there's also the opportunity we're still in
Speaker 4: play to have a settlement that could fundamentally change the
Speaker 4: whole region.
Speaker 2: And Penny Wong once again seems to shrug her shoulders
Speaker 2: at the constant threat of terrorism by urging Israel to
Speaker 2: have a cease fire to stop.
Speaker 5: We condemn Hisbelah's continue to text on Israel what I'll
Speaker 5: do so again, Lebanese civilians cannot be made to pay
Speaker 5: the price of defeating Isbellah. The global community has made
Speaker 5: clear that this destructive cycle must stop. What has happened
Speaker 5: in recent days only makes an immediate cease fire in
Speaker 5: Gaza even more urgent. You would have heard me say
Speaker 5: this before, and I say it again. Lebanon cannot become
Speaker 5: the next Gaza.
Speaker 2: You could be forgiven for wondering if Penniwog was the
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister for the Middle East, given how much time
Speaker 2: she spends speaking about and lecturing Israel, and just hours
Speaker 2: ago she revealed that she'd met with the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: for Palestine. And I say that with inverted comments at
Speaker 2: the same time as Israel is under siege from terrorist
Speaker 2: groups on the north and the south. Well, Penniwog is
Speaker 2: worried about Palestinian self determination.
Speaker 1: This is what she tweeted.
Speaker 2: She said, I spoke with the Palestine PMO about our
Speaker 2: commitment to advancing the Palestinian people's legitimate aspiration to self determination.
Speaker 2: Australia is pressing for a ceasefire, urgent humanitarian access, release
Speaker 2: of hostages and prevention of regional escalation. And as you
Speaker 2: can see in that photograph, the Australian and Palestinian flag
Speaker 2: side by side on the table that meeting, just a
Speaker 2: week after the Palestinians put forward their one sided hostile
Speaker 2: resolution that never mentioned Hamas, didn't mention the hostages, and
Speaker 2: didn't mention October seven, and instead called for boycotts of
Speaker 2: Israel and that it pay reparations. Well, I'd like to
Speaker 2: see Pennywong spend more time demanding the return of the hostages,
Speaker 2: especially baby Kafir and his brother Ariel. Did she raise
Speaker 2: them with the Palestinian Prime Minister? Did she raise them
Speaker 2: at the United Nations? This is a very different approach
Speaker 2: from the Coalition, which has showed immense understanding of what
Speaker 2: Israel has been dealing with.
Speaker 4: The fact that people wouldn't be standing with Israel and
Speaker 4: would be equivocating or somehow giving comfort in their language
Speaker 4: to the Iranians is beyond anyone's comprehension.
Speaker 6: Israel has been under attack from Hesbelah for many months,
Speaker 6: hundreds of rockets being launched, thousands of people have been
Speaker 6: forced to leave their homes, and Israel, as every nation,
Speaker 6: has a right to self defense.
Speaker 2: Penniwong needs to realize that the threat posed by radical
Speaker 2: Islamic terror groups is to the West, including Australia, not
Speaker 2: just to Israel. Iran's fight is against the West and
Speaker 2: the United States, and Israel is the first step, and
Speaker 2: Iran is now threatening involvement of Israel continues to pursue Hesbelah.
Speaker 2: Iran is a powerful, well funded animal. It's working increasingly
Speaker 2: closely with China, Russia and North Korea to destabilize the
Speaker 2: region and provoke war. The Iranian weapon capability has grown
Speaker 2: in recent years, particularly during the Biden administration. Iran has
Speaker 2: supplied lethal precision guided missiles to Hesbela and the Ayatolas
Speaker 2: have fast tracked their weapons program to the point that
Speaker 2: They've also been arming Russia against Ukraine, and just this week,
Speaker 2: Reuter's reports that Iran is helping arm the Houthy rebels
Speaker 2: with advanced missiles called P eight hundred ONYX from Russia
Speaker 2: and this they're doing this to help the terror group
Speaker 2: target commercial shipping in the Red Sea. Hermas's weaponry is
Speaker 2: quite frankly primitive compared to the Iranian supply to Hesbela,
Speaker 2: and we hope that Israel has managed to destroy some
Speaker 2: of those weapons over the past week.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: There's no question that if Iran does step in to
Speaker 2: help Hezbalah and attack Israel, the United States will be
Speaker 2: right behind Israel. And even Kamala Harris made this clear
Speaker 2: in her debate against Trump that she would never withhold
Speaker 2: weapons in a war with Iran. Yet we're seeing the
Speaker 2: Democrats push hard for a ceasefire, which would be convenient
Speaker 2: for them ahead of the US election. They want to
Speaker 2: be able to say they've broke it a peace deal.
Speaker 2: But the Wall Street Journal editorial today makes the critical
Speaker 2: point that the United States has responded to the terrorism
Speaker 2: in the Red Sea with the equivalent of strongly worded letters,
Speaker 2: small missile strikes that do no lasting damage to the Hooties' capabilities.
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal editorial says the administration feared a
Speaker 2: more falseful response would lead to a regional war. The
Speaker 2: irony is that US passivity has now led to a
Speaker 2: growing regional conflict, and the Wall Street Journal editorials view
Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden's foreign policy legacy is the disorder.
Speaker 1: We're seeing right now.
Speaker 2: In my view, Israel seems to be the only country
Speaker 2: with serious strength left globally. It's why it's genius and bolshy.
Speaker 2: Pager attack was breathtaking and awe inspiring. The days of
Speaker 2: American forces enjoying political support to hunt down terrorists seem
Speaker 2: a distant memory.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The political focus of the left is to let the
Speaker 2: terrorists live to have a ceasefire, rather than to track
Speaker 2: down and kill each one that murdered civilians and took
Speaker 2: children and babies hostage, hostages who still haven't been able
Speaker 2: to return to their beds, their homes, or their loved ones.
Speaker 2: It's disgraceful that the pressure once again is on Israel
Speaker 2: to stand down being bombarded with eight thousand missiles, despite
Speaker 2: seventy thousand Israelis having to flee their homes in the
Speaker 2: North and despite twelve innocent children being murdered in a
Speaker 2: Hesbela strike, the grief and the agony is tangible, and
Speaker 2: we saw that last night in my interview with the
Speaker 2: heartbreaking mother of little Elma who was killed in that
Speaker 2: Hesbela strike at the Majdal Shams. As former Labor Minister
Speaker 2: Mike Kelly said on my program this week, every country
Speaker 2: has the obligation to protect its own citizens from acts
Speaker 2: of war beyond their borders. Acts of war beyond their borders,
Speaker 2: he said, this was an obligation, and Israel is fulfilling
Speaker 2: its duty to keep its citizens safe under international law.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Australia doing nothing if two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty ossies were taken hostage, if more than one thy
Speaker 2: two hundred were killed and twelve children were murdered while
Speaker 2: they were playing soccer. The Israeli Ambassador to Australia, Emir Maimon,
Speaker 2: wrote today that there is still a diplomatic pathway to
Speaker 2: regional stability, but that the international community needs to step up.
Speaker 2: He says the international community should delegate Iran's Revolutionary Guard
Speaker 2: CORE a terror group and increase sanctions on Iran, targeting
Speaker 2: the Ayatola's regime and their financial, military and terror networks.
Speaker 2: He says this would cripple their ability to finance HESBLA,
Speaker 2: But he also argues that the UN Security Council should
Speaker 2: enforce its own resolution which mandates that Hesbela has to
Speaker 2: stay north of the Latani River, and this would prevent
Speaker 2: its attacks on Israel. At the moment, it is virtually
Speaker 2: militarized the area north of the border with Israel, and
Speaker 2: the u WN has done nothing. Emir Maymond points out
Speaker 2: that Israel stands at the forefront of this battle, defending
Speaker 2: not just its citizens, but the security and values of
Speaker 2: the free world, and this is a point that Pettiwong
Speaker 2: seems to forget as she continues to demand that Israel
Speaker 2: lay down its arms. Now another big show tonight, Economist
Speaker 2: Judith Sloan will join me live in the studio to
Speaker 2: talk about the Prime Minister's negative gearing debacle. Michael Downby
Speaker 2: will also be on the show. He's going to speak
Speaker 2: about the international community and their weakness in the face
Speaker 2: of Iran and Hezblah. All of that coming up will
Speaker 2: also go live to Washington. But first let's get to
Speaker 2: today's top stories with commentator Jason Morrison and Sky News
Speaker 2: contributor Gary Hargrave.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Great to see you.
Speaker 2: Jason, get your reaction first to Penny Wog and Joe
Speaker 2: Biden's weakness here, you.
Speaker 7: Know, well two different degrees of weakness. I mean, Penny
Speaker 7: Wong is all words. Joe Biden needs to be more
Speaker 7: than words. But Penny Wog has a failure to connect
Speaker 7: the problems that Israel is having to the problems that
Speaker 7: we could face with.
Speaker 8: Radical Islam in our country.
Speaker 7: And this is, I think, consistently a problem. We sort
Speaker 7: of pretend it's over there somewhere, you know, we're bringing
Speaker 7: it here, and there is already a problem with radical
Speaker 7: Islam in Australia. And as long as we continue to
Speaker 7: kind of think it's everyone else's fault, there'll never be
Speaker 7: an addressing of the actual issue. That's what she would
Speaker 7: prefer to pray on, because it's an easier hit to
Speaker 7: target Israel because the world is right now. Anyone who
Speaker 7: wants to have a go is having a go at Israel.
Speaker 7: Israel will do what it needs to do to defend
Speaker 7: its people. It's doing what it needs to do to
Speaker 7: defead its people, and it should be encouraged to do
Speaker 7: so by nations like ours. Instead, we have this confused
Speaker 7: buck each way position, which really is just a confused
Speaker 7: reality of what Australia faces. Australia has similar problems, we
Speaker 7: just don't see them like this now. And I don't
Speaker 7: know why she can't see that there is a real
Speaker 7: consistency with the two issues.
Speaker 2: You think back to the wake of September eleven, Gary,
Speaker 2: and no one ever suggested that the United States shouldn't
Speaker 2: go try hunt down Osama bin Laden. But yet there
Speaker 2: seems to be this confusion now between which side is
Speaker 2: right and which side is wrong.
Speaker 9: Chari first, just congratulations on that fantastic editorial. I wish
Speaker 9: I had my name at the end of that marvelous
Speaker 9: contribution you just made. No, seriously, you've nailed it. You see,
Speaker 9: Iran is all cashed up for a reason. Joe Biden
Speaker 9: gave him the money, gave him access to all the
Speaker 9: oil deposits, and they have been able to fund this
Speaker 9: sort of dreadful stuff. And equally, the entire Arab world
Speaker 9: was on track to actually recognize the right of Israel
Speaker 9: to exist and Saudi Arabia we're ready to sign on
Speaker 9: as well, and when the Saudis do it, a whole
Speaker 9: lot of other people do too, and that they wanted.
Speaker 9: They got concerned about Palestina. I don't for the life
Speaker 9: we understand how a two state solution works, frankly, but anyway, Nevertheless,
Speaker 9: hamask good have.
Speaker 1: A terror regime in control.
Speaker 2: It could work, but not exactly a mask exact lasa,
Speaker 2: and you got the triple h of a hatred.
Speaker 9: The hood is the Hesbalah and Hamas. They did not
Speaker 9: want that to happen. They did not want any Arab
Speaker 9: world legitimacy for Israel to happen. They didn't want an
Speaker 9: outbreak of peace, so they decided to go in murder people,
Speaker 9: steal babies and all of those awful things that we
Speaker 9: should never forget. On the seventh of October last year,
Speaker 9: almost a year ago. They did this deliberately to create
Speaker 9: the mess that's currently happening. So everybody who has died,
Speaker 9: civilian or military is on the back of those three organizations,
Speaker 9: and it's awful. No one wants more, No one wants this.
Speaker 9: But you know, unless Israel now follows on from that
Speaker 9: marvelous or inspiring beeper and walkie talkie attack the other week,
Speaker 9: while Hezbela is completely weak. They're completely disoriented, and what
Speaker 9: have we got the left internationally, Penny Wong is part
Speaker 9: of the international left. Don't kid yourself. She is an
Speaker 9: international leftist. And her whole attitude is, yeah, look, let's
Speaker 9: just weaken Israel. You know, let's just make it easy
Speaker 9: for the left in America who started this by giving
Speaker 9: legitimacy back to Iran when Trump had them on their
Speaker 9: financial knees. And I just think that don't think the
Speaker 9: world should forget that the left internationally are trying to
Speaker 9: ruin the West. These terrorist organizations are the spear throwers
Speaker 9: and Israel. You are right, Israel is the country with
Speaker 9: the coherency standing consistently in favor of Western civilization. This
Speaker 9: is a really serious thing, to Jason's point, serious for
Speaker 9: US and countries life.
Speaker 2: Indeed very well, said Gary, that was brilliant, And it's
Speaker 2: just the right point that they can.
Speaker 7: Separate things in their heads. How Penny one can separate
Speaker 7: these issues and almost forget like I write it off
Speaker 7: as history, that it happens so long ago, the October
Speaker 7: seventh thing.
Speaker 1: That's a separate chapter.
Speaker 2: I mean to many people to many people. They're reliving
Speaker 2: that day over and over again. The hostages still aren't home.
Speaker 2: You know, baby Kafa was only nine months when he
Speaker 2: was taken. He had his first birthday there. We don't
Speaker 2: know if he's alive or not. We just pray he is,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 1: Little kids still held hostage.
Speaker 2: How that isn't what world leaders are demanding at the
Speaker 2: United Nations rather than putting pressure on Israel is beyond me.
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to and we're going to come back
Speaker 2: to this topic with Michael Downby.
Speaker 1: A bit later.
Speaker 2: But let's talk now about the Prime Minister, because Anthony
Speaker 2: Albinizi is clearly under pressure. He's getting snappy during interviews.
Speaker 2: He struggles to answer basic see questions. Just have a
Speaker 2: look at his performance with Pete Stefanovic this morning.
Speaker 3: Well, we have no plans to touch it or change
Speaker 3: negative gearing. What we did with our income tax changes
Speaker 3: was to deliver a tax cup for every Australia.
Speaker 1: Live doing you live, you would doing that, guess what, Pete?
Speaker 3: Well, well if I did so, pleady Dutton because they
Speaker 3: voted for it.
Speaker 2: We'll play a bit more of that on the show later.
Speaker 2: But Jason, look this clearly isn't a good look. And
Speaker 2: you know, the Albinezi government must be keeping negative gearing
Speaker 2: changes on the table because the PM couldn't say in
Speaker 2: any interviews today and he did a sweep of them,
Speaker 2: he couldn't categorically say that they're not going to touch.
Speaker 7: It, because categorically they don't want to not touch it.
Speaker 7: They want to have a go at it. They want
Speaker 7: people to think they're interested in having you at it
Speaker 7: because you know, I work with a bunch of younger
Speaker 7: people and when they heard that, they went, oh, that's good,
Speaker 7: because that's the that's the kind of view that you
Speaker 7: have when you think that everyone else is getting something
Speaker 7: that you're not. And that's what he wants to give off.
Speaker 7: He wants that vibe out there that he gets them,
Speaker 7: he understands it. So it's once again, it's buck each
Speaker 7: way albow, just like Penny Wong, were going to confuse
Speaker 7: the messages out there. But why did he sharp talking
Speaker 7: to Peter Stefanovick. I think this is interesting. I mean,
Speaker 7: this underniably is the opinion end of the day at
Speaker 7: Sky News, that's the news end of the day, So
Speaker 7: he would have been expecting a bit of ping pong,
Speaker 7: because that's what he gets when he goes on the
Speaker 7: morning news programs and it's pretty much a comfortable run.
Speaker 7: And every now and then you get picked up by
Speaker 7: someone on Sunrise, or you might get a curly one
Speaker 7: from someone of the ABC, but you're not expecting that.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, what is it Grahame Richardson's
Speaker 7: line when when people work you out, they work you out.
Speaker 7: And a lot of people have worked him out. And
Speaker 7: the Peter Stefanovick interview yesterday showed me this morning, showed
Speaker 7: me that he's worked him out. And the reaction since
Speaker 7: from so many viewers is they've worked him out too.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder if he'll go on Peter interview.
Speaker 2: But Gary, how do you think this is going to
Speaker 2: translate to voters? And they're just going to get the
Speaker 2: message that this might be another broken promise, won't they?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: And it's also and Shari, it's also the thin eaves
Speaker 9: of the weds. There's four trillion dollars worth of money
Speaker 9: sitting with baby boomers that is going to translate to
Speaker 9: the next generation. It's a generational wealth is going to transfer.
Speaker 9: Treasury wants a slice of it, so negative gearing capital
Speaker 9: gains tax, that's just the thin edge of a wedge
Speaker 9: towards inheritance tax, towards death duties and all these things.
Speaker 9: Albo has a set piece move in mind about housing. Yeah,
Speaker 9: to Jason's point, he just wants to sound like a
Speaker 9: good bloke. But in the end, all of these attempts
Speaker 9: by government to take money out of your pocket or
Speaker 9: your parents' pocket or whatever else so that the government
Speaker 9: gets a share of it is going to rob us
Speaker 9: of an opportunity to make personal wealth ourselves. He's trying
Speaker 9: to kill off the idea that people can make a
Speaker 9: difference in their own lives, that government is the only
Speaker 9: way to go. That's basically what this is. This bloke
Speaker 9: I reckon more than the warmth of the handshake from
Speaker 9: Joe Biden transferred to elbow during his trip to America,
Speaker 9: and he's picked up a few Carmela Harris traits. What
Speaker 9: they're calling now in America they're calling drunken Hallmark, you know,
Speaker 9: like sort of all over the place, platitudinal rubbish. And
Speaker 9: this is not a good prime minister. And this is
Speaker 9: a very bad look from a bad prime minister. He
Speaker 9: doesn't understand detail. That's the other problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, clapping at the screen soon, No.
Speaker 2: You're on fire tonight, Gary, But it's true he's not
Speaker 2: across the detail.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has weighed into concerns today around Mark Scott's
Speaker 2: leadership or lack of it at the University of Sydney,
Speaker 2: and Darton says that Mark Scott should stand aside after
Speaker 2: that set an inquiry where he admitted that he'd failed
Speaker 2: Jewish staff and students.
Speaker 1: Well, he was Dutton with Ray Hadley earlier.
Speaker 4: I think both then Scott and David thirty should resign.
Speaker 4: If the head any shred of tegrity.
Speaker 2: They would have resigned by now.
Speaker 4: Both men were aware of a situation, even though they
Speaker 4: might deny it, and I don't think their positions are tenable.
Speaker 2: I mean Jason again, this is strength from Peter Dutton,
Speaker 2: but he is saying the obvious. Mark Scott, as vice
Speaker 2: chancellor at the University of Sydney has comprehensively failed in
Speaker 2: that role to protect students from racism aggression.
Speaker 7: Mark Scott has a reasonable man, by the way, at
Speaker 7: a person level, is a reasonable man. However, he has
Speaker 7: spent a career in probably the last fifteen to twenty
Speaker 7: years dodging everything, dodging whatever comes his way. He's very
Speaker 7: good at it. And anything that's controversial, be in his
Speaker 7: education role, be it. For that matter, when he worked
Speaker 7: at the ABC and had a leadership role there, he
Speaker 7: had an ability to dodge the hard ones that were
Speaker 7: coming his way. And this will be another. Now you
Speaker 7: asked the question, should he go? It is remarkable that
Speaker 7: he hasn't, and more so that the ABA, that the
Speaker 7: GOSP nearly blame them for this one, that the universe,
Speaker 7: his board hasn't kind of said, mate, you've let down
Speaker 7: the staff. I mean, bug at the students for a second.
Speaker 7: You've let down the staff and you've got a legal
Speaker 7: obligation to the staff. He knows that, he knows he's
Speaker 7: roasting right now. But you watch him because he's very
Speaker 7: very good at that. He is a great dodger of bullets.
Speaker 7: He's one of the great Sydney characters who's never actually
Speaker 7: had one firmly hit him. And you know this one.
Speaker 2: Should metaphorically metaphorically of course, Yeah, yeah, all of that, Gary,
Speaker 2: what do you reckon?
Speaker 9: Well, you know, part of a generation of leaders who
Speaker 9: don't know how to lead. They want to look for
Speaker 9: someone else to blame, and that's not the hallmark of
Speaker 9: a good leader. You actually do have to take responsibility.
Speaker 9: The buck ends somewhere near you, and that really is
Speaker 9: what he's failed to do here. He should go if
Speaker 9: he had any decency in honor. And I don't know
Speaker 9: about his character or anything, but seriously, from sinecure to
Speaker 9: sinecure to sinecure, this bloke needs to understand the real
Speaker 9: word world doesn't operate like that. You make a muck
Speaker 9: up like this, You've got to take responsibility. Bye bye, Mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, Ran.
Speaker 7: But it's a long time since he's worked in the
Speaker 7: real world A long time. Yeah, another to another to another.
Speaker 7: You know, you start to get a warp view of
Speaker 7: perspective after a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Jason Morris and Gary Hargrave, thank you
Speaker 2: both very much for your time. Now, Claire Lehman is
Speaker 2: coming up on the show to speak about misinformation in
Speaker 2: just a moment. But now let's return to the top
Speaker 2: story this week around warning of catastrophic consequences, Israel preparing
Speaker 2: for a ground invasion of Lebanon, and joining mid Our
Speaker 2: live from Melbourne is former labor minista from a chair
Speaker 2: of a committee, I should say, Michael Dwanby Michael, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for your time. Look, let's start with
Speaker 2: the international community approach here to call for a cease
Speaker 2: fire rather than supporting the elimination of the terror threat.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this approach?
Speaker 11: It's about time they enforced you and Resolution Resolutions seventeen
Speaker 11: oh one, which promised during the last conflict in two
Speaker 11: thousand and six that the murderous militia Hasvela would be
Speaker 11: withdrawn thirty kilometers from the Israeli border to the Litani River.
Speaker 11: That'd be a better beginning than calling for Israel to
Speaker 11: stand down after it's been forced into a military conflict
Speaker 11: with this Iranian proxy has blah, So very nice for
Speaker 11: Penny Wong and Joe Biden to wrap it on about
Speaker 11: immediate ceasefires for twenty one days. Where were they during
Speaker 11: the last eleven and a half months as the Iranian
Speaker 11: proxy lobbed missiles into northern Israel, depopulating it and forcing
Speaker 11: the border twenty or thirty kilometers south. Why doesn't Joe Biden,
Speaker 11: instead of talking this rubbish, enforce the congressionally mandated oil
Speaker 11: sanctions against Iran, which is paying for all of this,
Speaker 11: selling cheap Iranian oil to China. Over the last three
Speaker 11: years of the Biden administration has financed and funded Hezbollah
Speaker 11: puties and Amas. You don't have to go to war,
Speaker 11: you don't have to call for cease fires. You don't
Speaker 11: have to enforce one rule on the Israelis. You have
Speaker 11: to enforce your own congressional legislation. Joe Biden and I
Speaker 11: cannot understand how America lets the sewers canal to be
Speaker 11: blocked Israeli cities to receive missiles from these Uranian proxies,
Speaker 11: and then calls for cease fires. Israelis have to stand
Speaker 11: down and let Hezbollai. It's rubbish.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Indeed, as the Wall Street Journal put it so well today,
Speaker 2: the US weakness is in part what's led to our
Speaker 2: enemies becoming so emboldened. But Michael, you've spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time in Ukraine as well, since the war there
Speaker 2: began with.
Speaker 1: Russia, We're seeing this is quite linked here.
Speaker 2: We're seeing the emerging access of evil Iran, China, Russia,
Speaker 2: North Korea. We are not so much in this sense,
Speaker 2: but supplying weapons, supporting each other in these wars, and
Speaker 2: I think it's something that not everyone has grasped that
Speaker 2: there is this support of weaponry between Iran and Russia.
Speaker 11: I wish candidate Trump saw things as clearly as you
Speaker 11: do Shari. Of course, there's this actus. The Iranians are
Speaker 11: providing these Shahi drones which are murdering innocent Ukrainian people
Speaker 11: all over that vast country of Ukraine, and the Iranians,
Speaker 11: Russia and China, together with North Korea are all working
Speaker 11: hand in glove. But we had a catastrophic mistake from
Speaker 11: Zelenski today during the election to go to Pennsylvania and
Speaker 11: visit an ammunition factory, which are really upset Trump. And
Speaker 11: Trump has virtually said that he will defund Ukraine if
Speaker 11: he's elected. So not good days for those of us
Speaker 11: who believe in the United democracies, a united free world.
Speaker 11: The United States working with NATO, and for Penny Wong
Speaker 11: and Biden to go rabbiting on against the only country
Speaker 11: that's fighting its excess of evil, Israel, is just completely
Speaker 11: counterproductive to our collective interest. It's not just an issue
Speaker 11: of Israel, and I think, as Gary Hargrave said, it's
Speaker 11: an issue that affects all of US, as Bob Hook said,
Speaker 11: if Israel fools, the whole of Western civilization falls.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Indeed, the toll bell, the bell toll for mankind. I
Speaker 2: think he said, Michael downb thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time, and completely agree with your point. By the way,
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump, those comments today and Ukraine were horrifying,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, I mean, why isn't he standing there calling
Speaker 2: out Putin?
Speaker 1: Why is he putting all the pressure on Zelenski?
Speaker 11: Who it's a victory for Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, as isolationist
Speaker 11: group seems to have influenced his brain.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. You don't know who's in his ear.
Speaker 2: But we need the Republicans, who are very strong in
Speaker 2: national security to talk some sense into him. Because the
Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump stood up there today and put
Speaker 2: the pressure on Zelensky, whose country is under siege, who's
Speaker 2: been heroic in leading his people in holding off Russia,
Speaker 2: and he's done.
Speaker 1: Such a good job.
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought Russia would be able to
Speaker 2: just sweep in and take over, and they haven't. Putin
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to do that, be.
Speaker 11: Laying down their lives, and all we're doing is providing
Speaker 11: them with the ammunition. Well, Adam, government isn't even giving
Speaker 11: them weapons that we've got ear for spare.
Speaker 1: Well out of time.
Speaker 2: But I, like you, I despair at the leadership around
Speaker 2: the world, including in Australia. Right now, all right, let's
Speaker 2: turn to Labour's Misinformation Bill, because there are serious concerns
Speaker 2: that the Albanezi government's legislation will threaten free speech. Now,
Speaker 2: Australia's former Chief Medical Officer, doctor Nick Coatsworth, is the
Speaker 2: latest hype profile figure to slam the government's and he
Speaker 2: says it should be rejected in its entirety.
Speaker 1: He warns that it.
Speaker 2: Would censor serious health discussion, like what happened during the
Speaker 2: pandemic when legitimate debate around COVID was branded misinformation. Let's
Speaker 2: bring in now Quillette founding editor Claire Lehman.
Speaker 1: Claire, great to see you. Now.
Speaker 2: You've written multiple brilliant articles on this topic. You're saying
Speaker 2: that this legislation would seek to control public discourse.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the main issues?
Speaker 10: The main issues? Shariah that the term misinformation is often
Speaker 10: used to silence unpopular opinions, and anyone who's who's writing
Speaker 10: a bill trying to outlaw misinformation or require social media
Speaker 10: companies to outlaw misinformation, is massively underestimating how difficult it
Speaker 10: is to arrive at the truth. You know, we know
Speaker 10: that truth exists, it is out there, and we would
Speaker 10: all like there to be fewer lies in the world.
Speaker 10: But it's incredibly difficult to arrive at the truth. And
Speaker 10: we all have differing opinions, and that's why we have
Speaker 10: the courts. That's why we have enterprises such as science,
Speaker 10: which are quite adversarial, by the way, so we can
Speaker 10: arrive at the truth. Now, imagining that some paper pushes,
Speaker 10: some bureaucrats sitting in an office can somehow miraculously be
Speaker 10: the world experts on every single subject you know, known
Speaker 10: to man, and they can determine what is the truth
Speaker 10: and what is the misinformation on absolutely everything is bonkers.
Speaker 10: But this is essentially what the bill is proposing. It's
Speaker 10: proposing that social media companies basically enforce a code of
Speaker 10: conduct and you know, sensor misinformation if it caused, if
Speaker 10: it threatens to cause serio is harm to public health,
Speaker 10: the Australian economy, electoral processes, referendums and so on. I mean,
Speaker 10: just take the voice referendum for exam. Good example, the
Speaker 10: proponents of the Voice who lost the referendum will tell
Speaker 10: you that they lost because of misinformation. I mean they
Speaker 10: might say that was one cause of many, but they
Speaker 10: still will argue that misinformation was an important factor. Now
Speaker 10: you know, that's an opinion, and many people had differing opinions.
Speaker 2: So Claire, by the way, we saw the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: stand up in Parliament and say that the No campaigners
Speaker 2: were spreading misinformation. So if this is what the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister is saying, misinformation, and he's then introducing a misinformation bill,
Speaker 2: well there is legitimate reason to be concerned that misinformation
Speaker 2: could be used for political purposes.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a risk.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's a huge risk. I mean Chris Bowen, the
Speaker 10: Energy Minister, already describes the coalition's policies and many of
Speaker 10: the statements put forward by experts, and you know experts
Speaker 10: like nuclear engineers as disinformation, not even misinformation, but actually disinformation.
Speaker 10: I mean, the whole thing is ironic because I was
Speaker 10: looking on Twitter now x at a tweet where Chris
Speaker 10: Bowen was describing Peter Dutton's nuclear policy as disinformation. But
Speaker 10: Chris Bowen's post itself was flagged with a notice but
Speaker 10: Twitter saying that it was misleading and deceptive itself. So
Speaker 10: you know, we've got the people who are often using
Speaker 10: the term misinformation are purveyors of misinformation themselves. And I'm
Speaker 10: really quite surprised this bill has got gained traction at all.
Speaker 10: I mean, it takes just, you know, twenty minutes of
Speaker 10: critical thinking, maybe two minutes of critical thinking to pull
Speaker 10: it apart and realize how impossible it will be to
Speaker 10: actually enforce it. And then if we do try and
Speaker 10: enforce it, we'll be living in a totalitarian state.
Speaker 1: Indeed.
Speaker 2: And the objection is, the objections to this legislation come
Speaker 2: from both sides, right and left, and it's perplexing that
Speaker 2: the government is persisting with it given there is no
Speaker 2: one who is actually supporting it. But it's another sign
Speaker 2: it's just a piece of woke legislation basically.
Speaker 1: Clearly.
Speaker 2: Even your commentary as well as you're writing, is simply brilliant.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining us tonight. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Sherry now still to come on the show.
Speaker 2: The ABC back in the Headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1: Chair Kim Williams gave a.
Speaker 2: Speech last night about fake news, but didn't manage to
Speaker 2: mention the Doctor Audio saga plus Judah Sloan's take on
Speaker 2: Alban Eazy's negative gearing debacle.
Speaker 1: She'll join me live in studio after this quick break,
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister tried to clear up his negative gearing
Speaker 2: mess in a series of interviews today, but he only
Speaker 2: made the situation worse.
Speaker 1: Albanize he has been.
Speaker 2: Accused of using the same language that he used before
Speaker 2: changing the Stage three tax cuts. He hasn't ruled it out,
Speaker 2: He hasn't guaranteed he wouldn't make changes.
Speaker 1: He's just said he has no plans.
Speaker 3: Have a look, well, we have no plans to touch
Speaker 3: it or change negative gearing. We have no plans.
Speaker 2: So you're considering taking negative gearing reform and capital games
Speaker 2: tax reform to the next election.
Speaker 3: No, we're not well.
Speaker 2: That was an eerily similar turn of phrase to how
Speaker 2: Albaneze spoke before he changed the Stage three tax cuts.
Speaker 3: I can confirm that we haven't changed our position, but
Speaker 3: we have no change to our plans.
Speaker 12: Tax cuts will happen in July.
Speaker 3: We haven't changed our position. I've said and changed our position.
Speaker 2: We haven't changed our.
Speaker 13: Position on the Stage three text cuts well.
Speaker 2: Peter Duartton took the opportunity to launch a political attack
Speaker 2: over this.
Speaker 4: Today the Treasurer dumps this story out there and then
Speaker 4: he jumps on a plane to go to China, so
Speaker 4: he's nowhere to answer questions. And the Prime Minister keeps
Speaker 4: changing his story about whether the government is adopting the
Speaker 4: Green's policy to abolish negative gearing or to cap it,
Speaker 4: what are they doing in relation to capital gains discount
Speaker 4: and what does that mean for uncertainty in the economy,
Speaker 4: And the Prime Minister can't answer a question with honesty.
Speaker 2: But these are legitimate questions about whether the government does
Speaker 2: have plans to change negative gearing. Around one point two
Speaker 2: million Australians negatively gear their properties and others hope to
Speaker 2: do so one day. Scrapping this would essentially be attax
Speaker 2: on aspiration. Now for more, I'm joined by economist and
Speaker 2: columnist Judith Sloan.
Speaker 1: Judith, great to have you live here in Sydney. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. Now let's start with negative gearing
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to inflation. So this is now
Speaker 1: being floated.
Speaker 2: It's unclear whether the government wanted this debate or not,
Speaker 2: but the Prime Minister has chosen not to categorically rule
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: What do you make of how he's handling this?
Speaker 12: Well, who knows, frankly, I mean, I guess one interpretation
Speaker 12: is that the sort of economic reform agenda is looking
Speaker 12: extremely thin and maybe he feels he has to put
Speaker 12: something there. But you know, actually, if you go through
Speaker 12: the numbers, I mean, mind you my favorite was my
Speaker 12: word is my bond before?
Speaker 1: But you know, why would he do this.
Speaker 12: Because you would almost or inevitably have to grandfather exactly
Speaker 12: so once your grandfather. The kind of revenue gain you
Speaker 12: get from this is actually tight. Even at the moment,
Speaker 12: the tax benefit to those who negatively gear properties is
Speaker 12: about two point seven billion, so under three billion. Now
Speaker 12: you know the government spending over seven hundred billions. So
Speaker 12: in other words, it's what economists would call working on
Speaker 12: the wrong side of the decimal point.
Speaker 2: Well, if he was going to do it, I agree,
Speaker 2: there would be hardly any budget revenue because it would
Speaker 2: have to be grandfathered. No point, He'd only be doing
Speaker 2: it for political reason to try win back some of
Speaker 2: the support that he feels he's losing to the Greens.
Speaker 2: Probably is losing to the Greens because there is the
Speaker 2: sense that the Greens are owning the housing crisis political
Speaker 2: argument at the minute. But you know, there is a
Speaker 2: suggestion that he could do something similar to what he
Speaker 2: did on stuperannuation, where you know, he picked such a
Speaker 2: high figure three million dollars that the average person might
Speaker 2: not object to that. So maybe he'd say, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll scrap negative gearing on someone who has over five properties.
Speaker 12: Well, again, you can do that, but that's seriously working
Speaker 12: on the wrong side of the decimal point because we
Speaker 12: know what the distribution of negative gearers looks like, and
Speaker 12: it's really only a relatively small number who have multiple properties.
Speaker 12: But here's the thing, for anyone who understands even a
Speaker 12: little bit about finance, if they did that, they probably
Speaker 12: those multiple property owners would probably incorporate themselves, at which
Speaker 12: point you can deduct off the expenses if you're part
Speaker 12: of a company. So it may not even work.
Speaker 1: So I mean, to me, that is what.
Speaker 12: You'd call just a sort of a totemic gesture where
Speaker 12: we don't like rich multiple property owners and we're going
Speaker 12: to do something about it.
Speaker 2: And they've always hated negative gearing, been part of their
Speaker 2: class warfare.
Speaker 12: Well, you know they hate negative gearing like they you know,
Speaker 12: a pro Palestine. If you then actually ask them to
Speaker 12: give me a few paragraphs about why they hate negative gearing,
Speaker 12: they probably would find a difficult Oh, we have.
Speaker 2: Nothing against property owners, nothing against Jews, it's all they Here's.
Speaker 1: The most important point.
Speaker 12: I mean, how negative gearing works is that it subsidizes renters.
Speaker 1: Right, it's right.
Speaker 12: If you don't have negative gearing, rents will go up. Now,
Speaker 12: why would the Greens and why would labor support its abolition?
Speaker 12: It just seems extremely well, it's just bizarre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I just want to finish on inflation.
Speaker 2: We saw the IBA governor Michelle Bullock this week say that, yep,
Speaker 2: we might see an CPI figure the following day with
Speaker 2: the two in front of it. We did, of course,
Speaker 2: two point seven percent. But she made the point that
Speaker 2: the inflation battle is an over rate cut. Well, she said,
Speaker 2: you know, inflation won't get to the target range until
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty five, won't be sustainable until
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, so we're not really looking at a
Speaker 2: rate cut anytime soon. But do you think her message
Speaker 2: was particularly tough as a warning to the market. So
Speaker 2: you know, she wasn't going to raise rates, but the
Speaker 2: second next best thing was to was to have a
Speaker 2: tough warning about it.
Speaker 12: I don't think they are going to raise race. I
Speaker 12: mean I've become a real fan of Michelle's. I mean
Speaker 12: it's better than watching a soap opera watching her pres
Speaker 12: cos she's very good. She's getting better. And I mean
Speaker 12: one of the new adjectives that was coming into her
Speaker 12: discussion was sustainable. Now it seems to me what that's
Speaker 12: saying is that they might get one quarter within the
Speaker 12: range two to three percent, But it sounds to me
Speaker 12: that they'd have to get two quarters at least within
Speaker 12: that range, and that if you kind of know when
Speaker 12: the figures are coming out, that's more than six months away.
Speaker 12: So the likelihood, I think of a cash rate cut
Speaker 12: before the election is now pretty low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Prime Minister will be pretty disappointed with that,
Speaker 2: because that's the political platform he was hoping for her
Speaker 2: to then call the election.
Speaker 1: He wanted a rate cut done enough on cost of living.
Speaker 2: Judith Sloane really appreciate your time, Thank you, sir, Charry.
Speaker 1: Now still to come.
Speaker 2: The migration headaches just keep coming for labor with international
Speaker 2: student visa appeals skyrocketing. I'll talk about that with the
Speaker 2: panel next. Plus could Donald Trump face a third assassination attempt?
Speaker 2: We'll cross live to the US a bit later.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, plenty more to speak about, so let's bring in
Speaker 2: now Darren Barnett to Julia Gillard's former press secretary and
Speaker 2: LNP Senator James McGrath. Great to see you both. Let's
Speaker 2: start with Kim Williams, the ABC chair. Look, he's given
Speaker 2: a big speech where he called out fake news and misinformation,
Speaker 2: yet still hasn't taken action to remove the abcne's own
Speaker 2: fake news, the Heston Russell doctor audio scandal.
Speaker 1: Here's what Kim Williams said last night.
Speaker 13: The world is in the middle of a crisis of
Speaker 13: mistrust of information. Our devices are a wash with this
Speaker 13: fake news. People are on edge about what is real
Speaker 13: and it is producing a radical mistrust of mainstream news
Speaker 13: sources too.
Speaker 2: James, how can he stand there and speak about fake
Speaker 2: news when the ABC is dealing with its own fake news.
Speaker 1: Saga that it hasn't properly apologized for.
Speaker 14: It's a classic case of do as I say, not
Speaker 14: as I do. The latest chairman of the ABC, will
Speaker 14: soon realize that he is powerless to do anything about
Speaker 14: that organization. It is a giant blob that just wants
Speaker 14: to dominate anything in everything. But I am going to
Speaker 14: give him one call out and this will surprise your
Speaker 14: viewers who know I'm a big critic of the ABC.
Speaker 14: He did say he wants to see an end of
Speaker 14: activist journalism. Well that's nice to dream, but let's see
Speaker 14: if he delivers on that. He hasn't delivered on Hesson Russell.
Speaker 14: He's probably not going to deliver that, and also so
Speaker 14: he needs to buckle up and deliver.
Speaker 8: What do you think, Darren, I think keep your mouth
Speaker 8: shut to be brially honest that if you're running a
Speaker 8: media organization, there are always going to be people who
Speaker 8: agree with what you do. Others who don't agree with
Speaker 8: what you do. They have some form that you've just
Speaker 8: spoken about. Just don't go there. It's not necessary. So
Speaker 8: just talk about something.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't go though as a virtue signaler while
Speaker 2: you're dealing.
Speaker 1: With your own mess.
Speaker 8: It just makes you a target and creates a day
Speaker 8: of news about the ABC, which is unhelpful. So don't
Speaker 8: go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and look, the Heston Russell saga is continuing
Speaker 2: because it still hasn't been dealt with. Let's turn to
Speaker 2: the reports today that our court systems are about to
Speaker 2: be swamped by international students who are appealing against the
Speaker 2: cancelation of their visas. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is reportedly
Speaker 2: already being bogged down with review applications. Nearly five thousand
Speaker 2: lodged in July and August this year. James, there's almost
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand foreign students in the country at the moment,
Speaker 2: So you know, can our courts can our country afford
Speaker 2: to deal with it? Looks like our migration levels are
Speaker 2: going to be higher than the government forecast.
Speaker 14: Tony Burke is starting to make Andrew Giles look like
Speaker 14: a competent minister. This is something that should scare all Australians.
Speaker 14: As Peter Darton said today, it is the modern version
Speaker 14: of the boat arrivals. What's going to happen is these
Speaker 14: international students who are lodging over two thousand appeals a
Speaker 14: month are going to be used by lawyers to play
Speaker 14: the system. This is going to go on for months
Speaker 14: and years. We've got seven hundred thousand of them in
Speaker 14: Australia thanks to places like the University of Sydney who've
Speaker 14: used them as cash cows. So this is another immigration
Speaker 14: mess of the labor parties making.
Speaker 2: Look, that was a fascinating new political attack line. Darren
Speaker 2: from Peter Darton today he was in wa and he said,
Speaker 2: this is the new version of boat arrivals.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that.
Speaker 8: Let's wait and say, we have to see what happens
Speaker 8: in the AAT and through other types of appeal, But
Speaker 8: certainly the numbers are staggering. The numbers of international students
Speaker 8: are very high. The cuts are also very high, so
Speaker 8: we're going to have to wait and see how the
Speaker 8: system plays out. I'm not sure that people have the
Speaker 8: same general attitude towards international students as they do towards
Speaker 8: boat arrivals. But still any blowout in migration in the
Speaker 8: current climate in the lead up to the election, because
Speaker 8: it then feeds into cost of living, it feeds into
Speaker 8: interest rates, it feeds into supermarket prices. So it's an
Speaker 8: issue that labour needs to contain and they need to
Speaker 8: be seen to be keeping a lid on it.
Speaker 2: And there's no question that the big Australia migration issue
Speaker 2: is going to be one of the main political issues
Speaker 2: that will be fought over ahead of the next election. Now,
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on this negative gearing
Speaker 2: debate that's been front page news this week. James, the PM,
Speaker 2: clearly was happy to keep this lightly on the table.
Speaker 2: He didn't categorically rule it out. Do you think it'll
Speaker 2: buy him votes with the younger demographic that would make
Speaker 2: up for the one point two million Australian too.
Speaker 1: Negatively gear their properties.
Speaker 14: Won't make him any votes at all. And in fact
Speaker 14: I would love him to try and play along with
Speaker 14: negative gearing because we'll make the next election a referendum
Speaker 14: on that, because so many people in Australia want to
Speaker 14: be able to buy their own home, but they also
Speaker 14: want to buy an investment property and they use negative
Speaker 14: gearing to do that. What this week has actually shown
Speaker 14: is the Prime Minister, who quote unquote said I'm not
Speaker 14: the Treasurer, you'll have to ask him, is actually just
Speaker 14: not across the detail when it comes to anything to
Speaker 14: do with economic policy, which is the main reason we
Speaker 14: have a federal government. It's to protect our borders and
Speaker 14: have secure economic policy. It's Alboins. Call an election and
Speaker 14: call it on negative gearing and we'll meet you.
Speaker 1: You'll run a scare campaign.
Speaker 14: We'll run a truth campaign. That's what we'll do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt there'll be big political attacks. But Darren,
Speaker 2: I want to get your take. You're a former Labor
Speaker 2: government media advisor. Would the Labor Party have wanted this debate?
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of speculation about whether this
Speaker 2: was a drop, so to speak to the Herald, or
Speaker 2: a leak.
Speaker 8: Look, I can't see why you would technically, why you
Speaker 8: would drop that story when Gym's on a plane to
Speaker 8: China where he wants to talk about a bunch of
Speaker 8: other things, including removing tariffs on seafood and other very
Speaker 8: important matters for trade. You would not drop that story
Speaker 8: when your main economic person is out of the country. Therefore,
Speaker 8: how did it come out? Is it something that is
Speaker 8: it a good journo get or is it a leak?
Speaker 8: We don't know the answer to that, but certainly the
Speaker 8: conversations I had today, it was not planned to be
Speaker 8: on the front pages today, particularly with the very favorable
Speaker 8: numbers on inflation that came out yesterday. It should have
Speaker 8: been a clean good news day and a good news story. Instead,
Speaker 8: Labor created its own ski campaign on what was otherwise
Speaker 8: a good media day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that makes sense to me. Darren Barnett,
Speaker 2: James McGrath. Great to see both of you. Now, coming
Speaker 2: up after the break, we'll go live to Washington. The
Speaker 2: latest celebrity to weigh into the debate will be Goldberg.
Speaker 1: This time we'll give you all of that news. Next.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go live to the United States. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm joined by the Australians Washington correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam,
Speaker 2: great to see you. Look, after two failed assassination attempts,
Speaker 2: there is a risk that Trump could be targeted again.
Speaker 2: There are concerns about his security and now we're learning
Speaker 2: via media reports that there are briefings that potentially there
Speaker 2: are threats from Iran.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us, Yeah.
Speaker 15: Certainly, Look, they've there've recently been some statements from US
Speaker 15: intelligence officials and also from the Trump campaign that there's
Speaker 15: been another at least planned attempt on Donald Trump's life.
Speaker 15: There was a plot that's been foiled, and as you said,
Speaker 15: it was by Iran. It's not clear whether this is
Speaker 15: the same plot that was reported back in July, after
Speaker 15: the actual assassination attempt, of course at Butler, Pennsylvania. So
Speaker 15: it's not sure whether this is a fourth attempt, if
Speaker 15: you like, but certainly there's there's a really a huge
Speaker 15: risk around Trump's life. I mean, you really have to
Speaker 15: give the man credit, I think for his kind of
Speaker 15: bravery and the way he's handled it all since you know,
Speaker 15: since July, I mean there's basically been two actual attempts,
Speaker 15: and then there's all these other planned foiled ones, including
Speaker 15: from Iran. So yeah, look, I mean you'd have to
Speaker 15: say that, you know, the prospect that there's another serious
Speaker 15: attempt on his life before the fifth of November is
Speaker 15: very real.
Speaker 2: There's also accusations that would be Goldberg on the view,
Speaker 2: could be accused of inciting violence.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what's happened?
Speaker 15: Uh, well, it's actually the first I've heard about woopi
Speaker 15: Goldberg Zerry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can play it to you.
Speaker 2: Let's play it.
Speaker 1: Let's play you what happened here? It is? Have a look.
Speaker 6: Then he just wouldn't go, Who's like a bug?
Speaker 12: He just kept being there, Who's like a like a bug?
Speaker 1: Right there?
Speaker 2: So you felt, Yeah, So she's mocking the assassination attempt
Speaker 2: on Trump at him.
Speaker 15: Well, look, this is hardly a surprise from you know,
Speaker 15: from that show and from that group of women. I mean,
Speaker 15: they're extremely anti Republican, extremely anti Trump. But actually, I
Speaker 15: don't think it really hurts Trump, to be honest. I mean,
Speaker 15: I think when they come out and say things like that,
Speaker 15: and they you know, they praise Democrats, I think it's
Speaker 15: a reminder to ordinary American voters that it's the wealthy people,
Speaker 15: the celebrities that tend to support Democrats, and I don't
Speaker 15: think that's really a help at all for Democrats. So look,
Speaker 15: I don't think it hurts Trump. I mean, you know,
Speaker 15: of course, it goes to their character, but I don't
Speaker 15: think it, you know, it hurts.
Speaker 1: Trump at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course we saw a lot of Hollywood
Speaker 2: stars earlier this week come out in support of Kamala
Speaker 2: as well. Adam Crichton, thank you for your time. I'll
Speaker 2: see you Monday at eight pm. And here's Paul Murray