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Speaker 1: Apodjay production.

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Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the

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Speaker 2: land on which we gather today and pay our respects

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Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect

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Speaker 2: to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people's here today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm Kiara.

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Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we learn, laugh, and level

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Speaker 3: up together.

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Speaker 4: Let's go deep, let the emotions flow, and find the

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Speaker 4: lessons to grow and Glow. Nothing is off the table

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Speaker 4: with Grow and Glow and we're here to be your expander.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, welcome back to Grow and Glow.

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Speaker 4: We are really different episodes. So you would have seen

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Speaker 4: the title mystery episode. It's because it's a mystery what

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Speaker 4: we're talking about. We have no idea. I'm nervous. Our

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Speaker 4: podcast producer is taken control. Yeah, we literally have no

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Speaker 4: idea what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: No exciting, I know. So, I said a Katie, she's

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Speaker 3: got to share her share of the week.

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Speaker 4: It's not on us today for you. Let us know.

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Speaker 1: My share of the week is going to be something

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Speaker 1: that makes the best cheese toasty ever.

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Speaker 4: Oh so we all have cheese toasty yes this morning?

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Speaker 1: Make them? How we make them? You know what the

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Speaker 1: secret is? Mayo on the outside of the bread. What

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Speaker 1: go Mayo on the outside of the bread. Then you

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Speaker 1: put it in the cheese toasty maker and then you

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Speaker 1: wait until it goes crispy.

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Speaker 3: So no butter, no better thin thin like I need

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Speaker 3: to know how to do this thinly.

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Speaker 1: I would say good, a good layer okay, but not

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Speaker 1: too thin on both outside.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a massive Mayo person, but I'm tempted to

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Speaker 4: try it because the crispiness is getting me.

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Speaker 3: Is it CP Mayo that you use or like Mayo?

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Speaker 4: Mayo? Any Mayo? Okay, we're gonna try it. Try it.

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Speaker 4: Watch the space all right? What have you got for us?

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Speaker 4: What are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna ask you the hard hitting questions that

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Speaker 1: I think people want to know, but it's gonna make

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Speaker 1: you really uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, wow, Okay, please do it, okay.

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Speaker 1: Question number one, how lucrative is social media and which

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Speaker 1: is the best money making platform.

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Speaker 4: It's different on every single platform. We were actually talking

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Speaker 4: about this this morning. So for you, it's YouTube. For me,

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Speaker 4: it's snapchat, yep, which is really interesting. Ye, Instagram is

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Speaker 4: more paid sponsorships.

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Speaker 5: Would you say, though, that your Instagram sponsorship's pay more

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Speaker 5: though than Snapchat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but a lot of brand's book a package that's

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Speaker 4: Snapchat and Instagram. Okay, but like week to week, I

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Speaker 4: make money off Snapchat just for being on there. You

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Speaker 4: make money from YouTube videos for just creating videos.

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Speaker 3: And I get paid more for my sponsorships on YouTube too,

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Speaker 3: because it normally longer the effort that needs to goree

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Speaker 4: And Snapchat's only just started paying creators and there's only

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty of US Australia wide that are

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand subscribers to get on the Creative Fund, which

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Speaker 4: I do have. I have nearly I think less than

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Speaker 4: half a million on Snapchat. But it's pretty cool because

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Speaker 4: I've been on there for like probably ten years now.

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Speaker 4: It's in the last year I've actually started making money.

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Speaker 4: They just put ads in there now, so it's not

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Speaker 4: even in our control. But it's cool. But in America,

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Speaker 4: TikTok have a creative fund for all their creators, and

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Speaker 4: we don't get that in Australia no, but yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: sponsorships is where the big money is, and some brands

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Speaker 4: will pay more than others depending on if they book

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Speaker 4: a package, if they want you on one platform, multiple platforms,

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Speaker 4: even Instagram stories like one frame compared to three frames.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of negotiations back and forth, and I

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Speaker 4: find if the brand books a bigger package there's more

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Speaker 4: of a discount. Do you work like that too, Yeah

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Speaker 5: Like Ash's got a lot more followers than what I

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Speaker 3: Would really differ.

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Speaker 1: How much money do you make from.

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Speaker 5: Just those platforms, not including like love elesros and Grow

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Speaker 3: Like that, like six figures plus?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely through COVID, my influencer work was just making

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is just crazy. That's carried my business through

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's awesome because naturally most of the products

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Speaker 5: Give your followers a discount, like if they benefits everyone true,

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Speaker 5: then they get a discount as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll ask you a question. Is there a brand

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Speaker 4: that lately or just ever that has offered you big

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Speaker 5: Yeah, heaps of times if it's clashed with another brand

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Speaker 5: get offered a lot skincare, but I'm loyal to the

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Speaker 4: I once got offered a lot of money. I think

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Speaker 4: it was like fifteen thousand dollars to promote this big

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Speaker 4: dial doo h really And I've said it before, but

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Speaker 4: an exclusive one Instagram. And back then too, I just

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Speaker 4: this booby tape that's not the brand, but it was

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Speaker 4: a brand that just did this tape that you put

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Speaker 4: just awful. But it was huge money. They wanted like

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Speaker 4: it's literally ripping off my skin. But yeah, it's definitely

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Speaker 4: like sometimes it's not really there. And then podcasting, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we didn't make any money last year.

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Speaker 3: We paid we paid for record.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we just had no idea about sponsorships or anything

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Speaker 4: Whereas yeah, this year will earn money for being on podcast,

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Speaker 1: So would you say you're welcome by the way, would

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Speaker 1: you say, and Jay, would you say you could make

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Speaker 1: aside from your other brands, if you just did social

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, and a lot less stress. There has

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Speaker 4: been times where I'm like, do I want to run

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'd probably be doing shit time, more traveling.

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Speaker 4: I would have way less stress, and it would be

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Speaker 4: so easy content creation, Like, definitely you have to be creative,

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Speaker 4: and there's still a lot of work involved, but it's

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Speaker 5: And I feel like you know how you said it,

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Speaker 5: ebbs and flows. I feel like for it to be

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Speaker 5: to make sure that you are constantly looking for work,

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Speaker 5: whereas like you kind of work similar to me, you

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Speaker 4: I've just signed with my first agency this week. I

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Speaker 4: was personally managed by my old PA and she's been great,

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Speaker 4: but I've just signed with the agency this week, So

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see where that takes me in just

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Speaker 4: the connections and relationships they have already built with some

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Speaker 4: of the big brands that I want to work with. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but we could easily live off the online money very

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Speaker 1: Well that it's very interesting because it leads me to

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Speaker 1: my next question, what would you do if social media

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Speaker 1: disappeared tomorrow? So no Instagram, no Facebook, no TikTok, no snapchat.

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Speaker 1: What career would you go into?

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Speaker 4: You guys are gonna laugh so hard at this, but genuinely,

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Speaker 4: I reckon I would still look into this. It was

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Speaker 4: had such a cute job, but dog washing. I always

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Speaker 4: I just think i'd really enjoy that, meeting the people,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, something I honestly want to do, just because I

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Speaker 3: Else paying the bills by renting our house. I think

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Speaker 3: No, I think it'd be amazing memories.

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Speaker 4: It would be so cool.

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Speaker 5: When they get older, maybe I think it might change,

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Speaker 5: But otherwise, videography or photography for sure.

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Speaker 4: One thing I wanted to lean into. I'm not going

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Speaker 4: after I gave birth to Tala, I think being a

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Speaker 4: birth photographer and videographer would be incredible. Like all my

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Speaker 4: to experience that moment with women I think is such

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Speaker 4: an honor and privilege and I just think it's the

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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't want to be a midwife where once

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Speaker 4: again the shift work and four years of study, Like

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Speaker 4: I'm just at this age in my life where I

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Speaker 4: don't want to do that. But if I could go

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Speaker 4: back in time and I wasn't doing this, I reckon

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Speaker 4: being a midwife or a photographer for birthing would be incredible.

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Speaker 1: So how do you reckon you would go with the

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Speaker 1: lifestyle changes that potentially having those careers would bring in

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Speaker 1: in terms of nowhere near as much money.

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Speaker 4: You know what, if you'd ask me a year or

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Speaker 4: two ago, I would have had a very completely different

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Speaker 4: I loved my hustle season, but I think I would

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's hard for people to tell, like their friends

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Speaker 4: my gym, I had other things going on, and I

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00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 4: didn't have the skill set to even run a cafe,

437
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 4: but it was just like so much went into it

438
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,041
Speaker 4: and it was closed down pretty quickly afterwards, and was

439
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,440
Speaker 4: so disappointed in how that worked out. But it was

440
00:18:48,521 --> 00:18:50,440
Speaker 4: just so many lessons and that like, if you go

441
00:18:50,441 --> 00:18:53,600
Speaker 4: into business with someone, you really have to know them

442
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,281
Speaker 4: so well, know their strengths, know their weaknesses, talk about

443
00:18:56,281 --> 00:18:59,001
Speaker 4: worst case scenarios, discuss so many finances, and I think

444
00:18:59,921 --> 00:19:02,121
Speaker 4: we just jumped into it like with too much excitement

445
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,721
Speaker 4: and like, oh fuck, what's the worst that can happen?

446
00:19:03,761 --> 00:19:06,561
Speaker 4: And it just felt so at the time, but not

447
00:19:06,681 --> 00:19:09,160
Speaker 4: really knowing them well enough. And obviously she had her

448
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,041
Speaker 4: own stuff going on, and like, you know, looking back,

449
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,161
Speaker 4: have so much compassion for whatever was happening for her,

450
00:19:13,561 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 4: and we want to know what it's like when you're overwhelmed.

451
00:19:16,281 --> 00:19:18,201
Speaker 4: So it's fine, I don't hold any anger or guilt,

452
00:19:18,201 --> 00:19:20,241
Speaker 4: but at the time, it was like fuck. And then

453
00:19:20,481 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 4: I had to jump online and explain all of this.

454
00:19:22,561 --> 00:19:25,001
Speaker 4: I felt like it just landed back on me because

455
00:19:25,001 --> 00:19:26,761
Speaker 4: no one looks at who's behind the business. They just

456
00:19:26,801 --> 00:19:28,241
Speaker 4: look at the face of and it was like, ash,

457
00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:32,001
Speaker 4: she's cleaneding cafe. So I definitely think that was probably

458
00:19:32,001 --> 00:19:34,281
Speaker 4: my biggest family in business. But when it comes to

459
00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,481
Speaker 4: products and things, most things that I've done have done

460
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,681
Speaker 4: really really well, and I'm really proud of that.

461
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,521
Speaker 1: Have you ever had moments of going Last month was great?

462
00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:45,120
Speaker 1: But fuck, look at this month?

463
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all the time? The first quarter of every year. Yeah,

464
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:52,321
Speaker 4: well yeah, every time, and every time. Even Steve this year,

465
00:19:52,321 --> 00:19:54,281
Speaker 4: we were talking about it and I'm like, he was

466
00:19:54,321 --> 00:19:56,801
Speaker 4: stressing about something. We were just discussing something, and I'm like,

467
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 4: this happens every year. It's always the first quarter. And

468
00:19:59,481 --> 00:20:02,281
Speaker 4: he's doing this online course and there's thousands of other

469
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,401
Speaker 4: business owners that do this course and they all talk

470
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,441
Speaker 4: together in this form and he's like ninety five percent

471
00:20:07,481 --> 00:20:09,961
Speaker 4: of them all in this community chat just talking about

472
00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:12,521
Speaker 4: how hard it is right now. Every single business owner

473
00:20:12,681 --> 00:20:15,001
Speaker 4: is struggling and sales alone, and you're coming off the

474
00:20:15,001 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 4: back end of Black Friday and Christmas sales and Boxing

475
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,281
Speaker 4: Day sales, and everyone's gone on holidays and spent all

476
00:20:20,321 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 4: their money, so that jan February is just really quiet,

477
00:20:23,481 --> 00:20:24,321
Speaker 4: but you don't have the money.

478
00:20:24,801 --> 00:20:25,441
Speaker 3: Is living too?

479
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 4: Yes, so high, but you do see it pick up

480
00:20:27,921 --> 00:20:30,561
Speaker 4: in quarter two, quarter three is amazing. Yeah, in quarter

481
00:20:30,561 --> 00:20:33,761
Speaker 4: four is like okay, but around that Black Friday is

482
00:20:33,761 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 4: what a lot of business is based, like their whole

483
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,281
Speaker 4: business around now. They plan it out and that's like

484
00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:41,441
Speaker 4: the biggest one where they make so much money. But yeah,

485
00:20:41,721 --> 00:20:43,441
Speaker 4: the first quarter, I feel is just.

486
00:20:43,921 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: Every year, I feel like I like no, and then

487
00:20:45,521 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I forgot what this is like.

488
00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and last year Steve and I like put different

489
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,281
Speaker 4: things in place for a hideaway, particularly to help support

490
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 4: that harder period. But then it's also I watched Steve

491
00:20:57,441 --> 00:20:59,401
Speaker 4: and this year he's like come up with all new

492
00:20:59,441 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 4: marketing strategies that have actually done really really well amazing.

493
00:21:03,201 --> 00:21:05,761
Speaker 4: So he's done so good this year ye to tackle

494
00:21:05,801 --> 00:21:08,321
Speaker 4: that hard a time with just being really innovative and creative,

495
00:21:08,921 --> 00:21:11,201
Speaker 4: and he's just got that marketing brain, which is quite

496
00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 4: a cool skill set that a lot of business owners

497
00:21:13,921 --> 00:21:15,441
Speaker 4: don't have because a lot of business owners you're doing

498
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:17,281
Speaker 4: it all bay yourself at the start. But his strength

499
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,561
Speaker 4: is like marketing. So yeah, have.

500
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Speaker 1: You ever had a moment of catastrophizing everything and going,

501
00:21:24,561 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, how are we going to pay for

502
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,521
Speaker 1: the mortgage next month?

503
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,321
Speaker 3: Definitely?

504
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,201
Speaker 5: I think there's been moments where we've been like oh

505
00:21:30,241 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 5: my gosh, like you know, all happening at once, or

506
00:21:32,921 --> 00:21:35,001
Speaker 5: even you know, things popping up if they break, like

507
00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:35,361
Speaker 5: when we.

508
00:21:35,321 --> 00:21:37,361
Speaker 3: Had the shop and stuff like that. But I'll tell

509
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 3: you what, it always fucking works out. Every time I'm like,

510
00:21:41,001 --> 00:21:42,281
Speaker 3: oh my fucking goah blah blah.

511
00:21:42,281 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 5: It's like I just win this job, all this happens,

512
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,321
Speaker 5: all that happens, and I'm like, Universe has got my back,

513
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 5: and now I feel like I don't get you know,

514
00:21:48,921 --> 00:21:51,561
Speaker 5: so frazzled. I just trust and I go it's gonna

515
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,801
Speaker 5: be okay, It'll work out.

516
00:21:52,681 --> 00:21:56,201
Speaker 3: And if it doesn't, then manifest, pivot whatever.

517
00:21:56,241 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: In Yeah. One piece of advice I got from Tony

518
00:21:58,921 --> 00:22:01,001
Speaker 4: Robbins years ago. We did his Platinum course and it's

519
00:22:01,001 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 4: basically like a small selected few people that you pay

520
00:22:04,441 --> 00:22:06,041
Speaker 4: a big amount of it and you're part of his

521
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,321
Speaker 4: groups called Platinum. You go on different trips with him

522
00:22:08,681 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 4: and on one of the trips it was in Fiji

523
00:22:10,961 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 4: and we just overnight lost our Facebook page. They took

524
00:22:14,281 --> 00:22:15,961
Speaker 4: it down. I had over a million people on there.

525
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 4: We'd spent hundreds of thousand dollars advertising on this page

526
00:22:18,441 --> 00:22:20,521
Speaker 4: building it up. This was back in the day when

527
00:22:20,521 --> 00:22:23,601
Speaker 4: the algorithm was just everything. You posted your whole audience

528
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: source everything. We posted our diet plans and programs sold

529
00:22:26,921 --> 00:22:29,921
Speaker 4: like crazy. We were absolutely killing it, and overnight Facebook

530
00:22:29,921 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 4: took our page down no explanation. We had staff members,

531
00:22:32,801 --> 00:22:34,601
Speaker 4: we had to let them go because their job's gone overnight.

532
00:22:35,481 --> 00:22:39,041
Speaker 4: And that day we actually got to ask Tony one question,

533
00:22:39,561 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 4: and Steve stood up and said, because we were panicking,

534
00:22:42,201 --> 00:22:44,321
Speaker 4: we were like, our Facebook page has been taken down.

535
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,361
Speaker 4: We've got staff to look after. This is our income.

536
00:22:46,961 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 4: And he's like, oh, so you've got one leg to

537
00:22:48,441 --> 00:22:51,321
Speaker 4: stand on, and we were like, yeah, that's our business.

538
00:22:51,681 --> 00:22:53,721
Speaker 4: And he was like, never ever have one leg to

539
00:22:53,721 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: stand off. You have nine. So if one breaks, if

540
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,801
Speaker 4: two breaks, you've got seven others. And ever since then,

541
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,881
Speaker 4: that is stuck in my brain and when people say

542
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: to me, like, oh, how do you keep up with

543
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,281
Speaker 4: all the platforms, I'm like, because I need nine legs

544
00:23:05,321 --> 00:23:07,681
Speaker 4: to stand on, and I will always invest energy into

545
00:23:07,681 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 4: each of the platforms. And I've always got my toes

546
00:23:10,241 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 4: dipped in other little businesses, like over the years, like

547
00:23:12,441 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 4: I've invested to my friend's businesses, got them started, and

548
00:23:14,961 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: like I feel like I've got lots of different things happening,

549
00:23:17,441 --> 00:23:19,481
Speaker 4: So one falls over, I'm like, cool, I've got other

550
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,321
Speaker 4: legs to stand on. And it's been one of the

551
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: best pieces of advices I've ever been given. So if

552
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 4: one business isn't doing great, I find another one can

553
00:23:27,681 --> 00:23:30,161
Speaker 4: help carry it over. Yeah, Like, if one business has

554
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,801
Speaker 4: got huge whels coming in and it's the first quarter,

555
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,961
Speaker 4: like cool, use of my influencing money to help that

556
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,401
Speaker 4: or support that or whatever, and it just does kind

557
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,081
Speaker 4: of intertwines, but it does always work out.

558
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,241
Speaker 1: You've both had your fair share of trolls. What's been

559
00:23:44,281 --> 00:23:47,201
Speaker 1: the worst thing that anyone's ever said to you online?

560
00:23:47,441 --> 00:23:52,561
Speaker 5: Worst thing mine was when I just literally had my miscarriage.

561
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 5: I was still bleeding and I was so upset. So

562
00:23:57,001 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 5: when I had my miscarriage, I actually had an ectopic

563
00:23:58,961 --> 00:24:01,561
Speaker 5: pregnancy where the egg implanted in my tube and they

564
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,281
Speaker 5: had to remove one of my tubes as well.

565
00:24:03,321 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: At the same time.

566
00:24:04,241 --> 00:24:07,761
Speaker 5: This is after having Miller, and I was just fucking

567
00:24:07,961 --> 00:24:10,041
Speaker 5: down in the dumps, and I got a message come

568
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: through on YouTube and it said you deserve this miscarriage,

569
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 5: Like you piece of shit, blah blah blah, You're not

570
00:24:16,561 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 5: even married yet and trying to have children. When I

571
00:24:18,921 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 5: first read it, I was just like, what the fuck

572
00:24:22,721 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 5: is wrong with people? Like I'm sitting here in my

573
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 5: own blood, I've just lost a baby, lost a tube,

574
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,321
Speaker 5: don't even know how my fertility is going to be

575
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 5: going forward, and you're here saying such vile things to me.

576
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: I was just like, as you stay online and you

577
00:24:37,721 --> 00:24:38,241
Speaker 3: get used to.

578
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,561
Speaker 5: It, you just go like, wow, I feel so bad,

579
00:24:40,681 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 5: Like imagine that angry, imagine somebody coming up or somebody

580
00:24:43,681 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 5: saying having miscarriage and how that, like you know, all

581
00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:47,241
Speaker 5: this stuff's happened, and just being.

582
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,881
Speaker 3: Like you deserve that, you piece of shit, Like wow,

583
00:24:50,481 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: what a sad, sad life to live to be that person.

584
00:24:53,921 --> 00:24:57,481
Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, I'm trying to think of one particular one,

585
00:24:57,521 --> 00:25:00,921
Speaker 4: but I just think definitely things about my kids. Well,

586
00:25:00,961 --> 00:25:03,721
Speaker 4: they just diagnose my kids online with different things and

587
00:25:03,801 --> 00:25:06,281
Speaker 4: call them ugly name. And then I was talking to

588
00:25:06,281 --> 00:25:08,521
Speaker 4: Steve the other day. I don't know how it came up.

589
00:25:08,561 --> 00:25:10,521
Speaker 4: We're just talking about the message I got or something,

590
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, yeah, when you used to

591
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,161
Speaker 4: go away, people used to always message me and say

592
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: that you're cheating, and they'd see new cheat on me.

593
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: I was like, what anyone that knows me like that.

594
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,281
Speaker 4: It's not in my bones, it's not in my DNA, Like,

595
00:25:20,321 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: it's just not something I would ever do to Steve.

596
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,041
Speaker 4: And I was like really, I was like, why didn't

597
00:25:24,041 --> 00:25:25,401
Speaker 4: you come to me? And it's like, because I don't

598
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 4: believe it, Like there's nothing to talk to you about.

599
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,881
Speaker 4: I don't believe someone online in a fake profile telling

600
00:25:29,921 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 4: me that you're out doing this and that. I was like, Wow,

601
00:25:32,801 --> 00:25:34,721
Speaker 4: that is awful, And what kind of place do you

602
00:25:34,761 --> 00:25:38,361
Speaker 4: need to be mentally do on potentially ruin a marriage

603
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: and break up a family for what gossip? What the

604
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,801
Speaker 4: fuck do you get out of that? Like, I just

605
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: can't understand or put myself in a place to be

606
00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: understanding of why someone would do that. I was like,

607
00:25:50,281 --> 00:25:51,961
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't believe you didn't tell me

608
00:25:52,001 --> 00:25:54,001
Speaker 4: about these. It's like, oh, what's the point. I don't

609
00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:57,601
Speaker 4: think you do that to me? So all good? It's like, geez, crazy,

610
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,481
Speaker 4: How do.

611
00:25:58,481 --> 00:26:01,761
Speaker 1: You really feel deep down when people say things about

612
00:26:01,761 --> 00:26:02,241
Speaker 1: your kids?

613
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,681
Speaker 4: Just sad? Sad would be the biggest emotion that comes

614
00:26:07,721 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 4: through a little bit of anger. But I just hope

615
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,521
Speaker 4: that like Taj never reads any of that about him.

616
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,561
Speaker 4: Like people they say he's autistic and he's this and that,

617
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 4: and I'm like, even if he was autistic, why are

618
00:26:17,921 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: you bullying him for that? You know, like, why do

619
00:26:20,481 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 4: you think that's okay to pick out someone's disability or difference. Yeah,

620
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,481
Speaker 4: it's just awful, Like it should be a blanket rule

621
00:26:27,481 --> 00:26:30,761
Speaker 4: that you just well, don't make comments about anyone but children, Yeah,

622
00:26:30,961 --> 00:26:32,601
Speaker 4: like they're children.

623
00:26:32,921 --> 00:26:34,721
Speaker 3: The main thing I get is about Mills left.

624
00:26:35,001 --> 00:26:37,321
Speaker 5: I'll get people just going, what's wrong with her lip?

625
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 5: What's wrong with her nose? You'll like, just absolutely horrible.

626
00:26:40,481 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 5: I don't even want to say it. Yeah, it makes

627
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,001
Speaker 5: you really upset, really angry. And that's like the one

628
00:26:47,041 --> 00:26:47,841
Speaker 5: thing where I'm like.

629
00:26:48,561 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 4: Because you just do anything to protect your kid's emotional

630
00:26:51,681 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 4: peace and keep them happy, and sometimes you feel like

631
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: you can't protect them from the world. And I know

632
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: people like, oh, don't put them online then, but this

633
00:26:58,041 --> 00:26:59,441
Speaker 4: is a part of our lifestyle. This is a part

634
00:26:59,481 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 4: of what we do, and our kids do love being

635
00:27:01,201 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: on the cameras sometimes. And I'm also not just going

636
00:27:03,921 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: to shelter them from the big bad world, like I

637
00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: want them to build resilience, and to teach them about

638
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: human psychology and why people do what they do. And

639
00:27:10,001 --> 00:27:12,161
Speaker 4: this is just something that we all have to deal

640
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 4: with unfortunately, whether that's online or in the workplace or

641
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 4: different relationships, they're going to have to navigate so many

642
00:27:17,481 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: different things. I don't think he's ever anything, but if

643
00:27:19,441 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 4: they ever come to that point where someone says something

644
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,761
Speaker 4: to him, I would just use it as a learning

645
00:27:22,761 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: opportunity to teach him and support him. And my biggest

646
00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: goal and I heard Gary Ve say this when someone

647
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: asked him about her fears around having teenage girls on

648
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 4: social media. He just said, there's nothing you can do

649
00:27:34,481 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 4: to control the outside world. He's like, my number one

650
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,921
Speaker 4: goal is a parent and now this is mine too,

651
00:27:39,001 --> 00:27:42,321
Speaker 4: is you build so much confidence within your kids, no

652
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:43,961
Speaker 4: matter what age they are, so that when they grow

653
00:27:44,041 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: up and someone says something, it doesn't even go on

654
00:27:46,481 --> 00:27:48,601
Speaker 4: their head because they know who they are. They're so

655
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,561
Speaker 4: confident someone says, oh, you're dumb and ugly, they'd be

656
00:27:50,561 --> 00:27:53,721
Speaker 4: like cool, see yeah, Like but if you're not confident,

657
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: like I was not a confident kid or a teenager

658
00:27:56,201 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 4: because of my stepdad always putting me down and tell

659
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,041
Speaker 4: me how dumb I was, so when someone else would

660
00:28:00,041 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: say that, it would just tear me apart. You can

661
00:28:02,281 --> 00:28:04,921
Speaker 4: imagine if you were built up from such a young age,

662
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 4: you were smart, you were strong, you're brave that they

663
00:28:07,681 --> 00:28:10,321
Speaker 4: would just walk out like any situation. They know that,

664
00:28:10,521 --> 00:28:13,081
Speaker 4: so it's not going to shake them. That's such good advice, right,

665
00:28:13,201 --> 00:28:15,761
Speaker 4: build that in a confidence that nothing can shake them.

666
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,001
Speaker 5: And even knowledge like them understanding because like I feel

667
00:28:18,041 --> 00:28:20,281
Speaker 5: like Milla, she's a very logical person. I f like

668
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,201
Speaker 5: explaining to her white people do things, yes will help her.

669
00:28:23,721 --> 00:28:24,681
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.

670
00:28:25,441 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: What's the one thing you would do if you knew

671
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: you could get away with it?

672
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: I'd rob a bank?

673
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,201
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, if everyone's like you do what you want,

674
00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:38,241
Speaker 5: like no repercussions, whatever you want, I'd be like, yeah,

675
00:28:38,241 --> 00:28:40,641
Speaker 5: I'm getting like millions, I'll give one to you, one

676
00:28:40,721 --> 00:28:41,081
Speaker 5: to you.

677
00:28:41,401 --> 00:28:43,481
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's a good one.

678
00:28:44,521 --> 00:28:46,401
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would do to those people that

679
00:28:46,441 --> 00:28:48,001
Speaker 1: say horrible things about your kids?

680
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:50,321
Speaker 5: Oh?

681
00:28:51,161 --> 00:28:52,761
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to like get back in them, but

682
00:28:52,801 --> 00:28:54,841
Speaker 4: I would like force them to go to fucking therapy.

683
00:28:54,961 --> 00:28:58,761
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, have them be

684
00:28:58,921 --> 00:28:59,801
Speaker 3: you for a day.

685
00:28:59,961 --> 00:29:04,641
Speaker 4: You know, what I'd probably, oh, probably enforce a lot

686
00:29:04,681 --> 00:29:11,001
Speaker 4: more harsher penalties for pedophiles. I think sometimes I don't

687
00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:13,081
Speaker 4: know why. I think there's a bigger rabbit hole you

688
00:29:13,081 --> 00:29:14,281
Speaker 4: can go into. I'm not going to go into because

689
00:29:14,281 --> 00:29:16,961
Speaker 4: it's very controversial, but I think sometimes they're a little

690
00:29:16,961 --> 00:29:20,201
Speaker 4: bit more protected than what they should be and there's

691
00:29:20,241 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: not as much accountability for them. But nothing makes me

692
00:29:25,321 --> 00:29:27,841
Speaker 4: more angrier than things happening to little kids.

693
00:29:28,081 --> 00:29:32,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, torturing pedophiles the bank.

694
00:29:33,001 --> 00:29:34,721
Speaker 4: I didn't stay torturing, but hey.

695
00:29:36,961 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: What's the guilty pleasure that goes against everything you believe in?

696
00:29:40,881 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: You have to be honest here.

697
00:29:42,641 --> 00:29:44,721
Speaker 4: Levi Levi Levi that it's all I think about when I

698
00:29:44,761 --> 00:29:48,361
Speaker 4: think about this. I love pepsi Max. There you go.

699
00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:50,201
Speaker 4: I love pepsi Max.

700
00:29:50,361 --> 00:29:50,681
Speaker 2: You know what.

701
00:29:50,801 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: And I used to be that person that's like, I

702
00:29:52,521 --> 00:29:54,521
Speaker 4: never drink soft drink. I never drink soft drink. And

703
00:29:54,521 --> 00:29:57,161
Speaker 4: then I was pregnant with Tala and at my girlfriend

704
00:29:57,201 --> 00:30:00,081
Speaker 4: Da Deane's house and she was also pregnant. I was like, oh,

705
00:30:00,161 --> 00:30:02,161
Speaker 4: I'm really thirsty, and she was like, oh I have

706
00:30:02,681 --> 00:30:04,481
Speaker 4: She had cordial and soda water, and I was like, oh,

707
00:30:04,601 --> 00:30:06,041
Speaker 4: she's like, what a Pepsi Max? And I was like,

708
00:30:06,081 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: I don't drink soft drinks. She's like, just trust me,

709
00:30:08,361 --> 00:30:10,161
Speaker 4: so refreshing. I was like, I'm really thirsty in and

710
00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:13,401
Speaker 4: I wanted something flavorsome. Took a sip and I was like, Wow,

711
00:30:14,001 --> 00:30:17,921
Speaker 4: this is delicious, but it's obviously just so bad for you.

712
00:30:17,961 --> 00:30:19,321
Speaker 4: So I carry a bit of shame around that because

713
00:30:19,321 --> 00:30:23,161
Speaker 4: I'm obviously like a person that values her health. But yeah,

714
00:30:23,201 --> 00:30:26,121
Speaker 4: I definitely love a Pepsi Max. And it's not pepsi too,

715
00:30:26,121 --> 00:30:28,881
Speaker 4: it's Pepsi Max. There's a big taste difference. And don't

716
00:30:28,881 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: even like coke Cokes gross, but Pepsi Max.

717
00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:32,121
Speaker 2: Hmm.

718
00:30:33,321 --> 00:30:33,601
Speaker 3: Yeah.

719
00:30:34,361 --> 00:30:36,921
Speaker 5: Well, something that I hold a bit of shame around

720
00:30:37,201 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 5: is when I was in my low lows, I was

721
00:30:40,161 --> 00:30:42,561
Speaker 5: literally drinking like a bottle of red wine at night.

722
00:30:42,721 --> 00:30:45,321
Speaker 4: I think that's just so relatable for so many people.

723
00:30:45,161 --> 00:30:46,601
Speaker 5: Just to get through when it was the lead up,

724
00:30:46,601 --> 00:30:50,201
Speaker 5: like the two weeks before the wedding, just completely numbing

725
00:30:50,401 --> 00:30:55,361
Speaker 5: out with alcohol. How long did it last a whole

726
00:30:55,441 --> 00:30:57,361
Speaker 5: because we had the wedding, so it happened two weeks

727
00:30:57,361 --> 00:30:59,921
Speaker 5: before the wedding, and that's when we started like doing

728
00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:02,721
Speaker 5: it to just cope, and then afterwards doing on a honeymoon,

729
00:31:02,721 --> 00:31:04,281
Speaker 5: and then the last day of the honeymoon, I like

730
00:31:04,281 --> 00:31:06,721
Speaker 5: had a full fuck and mental breakdown.

731
00:31:06,401 --> 00:31:07,921
Speaker 3: And we end up coming home earlier.

732
00:31:08,441 --> 00:31:09,801
Speaker 5: I feel like it took a while, and then all

733
00:31:09,841 --> 00:31:12,601
Speaker 5: of a sudden we were like, no, so I went

734
00:31:12,641 --> 00:31:13,481
Speaker 5: cold turkey for a bit.

735
00:31:13,681 --> 00:31:16,641
Speaker 3: Wow when cold Turkey, Like, let's just stop for a while.

736
00:31:17,081 --> 00:31:19,601
Speaker 5: And yeah, now I still love having my glass of wine,

737
00:31:19,641 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: but I'm definitely not drinking a bottle every night.

738
00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:23,561
Speaker 3: Like that was Monday to Friday in question?

739
00:31:23,761 --> 00:31:26,881
Speaker 4: Did it the next day? Were you hungover? Yeah?

740
00:31:26,881 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: I definitely felt shit, but I didn't care because I

741
00:31:29,001 --> 00:31:30,121
Speaker 5: was so upset or so hurt.

742
00:31:30,401 --> 00:31:31,801
Speaker 4: You felt shit anyway? Helped it?

743
00:31:31,921 --> 00:31:32,361
Speaker 5: Anyway?

744
00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:35,321
Speaker 3: I seeded to, Yeah, I.

745
00:31:35,201 --> 00:31:37,241
Speaker 4: Want to feel it. Imagine me drinking a bottle of wine.

746
00:31:37,241 --> 00:31:39,361
Speaker 4: I'd probably have to go to hospital and get my stomach.

747
00:31:39,081 --> 00:31:42,081
Speaker 3: Pa, I'm doing it Monday to Friday.

748
00:31:42,321 --> 00:31:44,441
Speaker 4: My mom used to do that. She listened to the podcast,

749
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,241
Speaker 4: and she wrote, mom, me sharing, but she doesn't drink anymore.

750
00:31:46,241 --> 00:31:48,361
Speaker 4: She hasn't drank it over a year. But I reckon

751
00:31:48,441 --> 00:31:50,161
Speaker 4: growing up, I would see her down a bottle of

752
00:31:50,161 --> 00:31:53,921
Speaker 4: wine or two most nights easily too. Yeah, like easily. Yeah,

753
00:31:53,921 --> 00:31:55,641
Speaker 4: I know a couple of people as well, but yeah,

754
00:31:55,641 --> 00:31:57,601
Speaker 4: I have a lot of men too that just chucked

755
00:31:57,641 --> 00:31:59,641
Speaker 4: down like a six pack every night easily.

756
00:32:00,241 --> 00:32:01,361
Speaker 3: I haven't never shared that before.

757
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:02,481
Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon.

758
00:32:02,481 --> 00:32:05,841
Speaker 5: It's until I started to do therapy, so once I

759
00:32:05,841 --> 00:32:07,881
Speaker 5: had the balls of actually like going through all the

760
00:32:07,921 --> 00:32:09,881
Speaker 5: shit to be like, wow, I need to get help.

761
00:32:10,281 --> 00:32:12,321
Speaker 5: I feel like I would have done it that whole time,

762
00:32:12,361 --> 00:32:13,601
Speaker 5: but I feel like that time my life is just

763
00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:15,281
Speaker 5: such a blur. You know.

764
00:32:15,321 --> 00:32:16,241
Speaker 3: It was a year and a half ago and it

765
00:32:16,281 --> 00:32:17,521
Speaker 3: was probably fucking drunk half the time.

766
00:32:18,761 --> 00:32:21,201
Speaker 1: And did you incur drink together a hlgh night.

767
00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:24,361
Speaker 5: Yeah, both massively coping and I think two because the

768
00:32:24,361 --> 00:32:26,761
Speaker 5: two weeks out before, like when everything happened to flowing

769
00:32:26,801 --> 00:32:28,721
Speaker 5: out of my family. It was two weeks to our wedding,

770
00:32:28,721 --> 00:32:30,561
Speaker 5: and our wedding was at their house, so we had

771
00:32:30,561 --> 00:32:31,961
Speaker 5: to relocate the entire ventue.

772
00:32:31,961 --> 00:32:33,521
Speaker 3: It was just so much stress.

773
00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:36,401
Speaker 4: So much to organize, so much stress. Yeah.

774
00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:38,481
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then afterwards I.

775
00:32:38,441 --> 00:32:39,841
Speaker 4: Was like, have it in my backyard because I've got

776
00:32:39,881 --> 00:32:42,281
Speaker 4: a massive backyard. I was like, my backyard's huge. We

777
00:32:42,281 --> 00:32:44,161
Speaker 4: can get a marque, I can organize the tables.

778
00:32:44,361 --> 00:32:46,801
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I really parked all my emotions to the

779
00:32:46,841 --> 00:32:49,121
Speaker 5: side so I could actually get through and have the wedding.

780
00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:51,641
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could cope with the day. I enjoyed

781
00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:51,961
Speaker 4: the day.

782
00:32:52,161 --> 00:32:54,121
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just parked everything to the side. And then

783
00:32:54,121 --> 00:32:55,801
Speaker 5: the honeymoon came up after that and I was like,

784
00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:57,361
Speaker 5: I want to really enjoy this. So that would have

785
00:32:57,361 --> 00:32:59,281
Speaker 5: been a couple of weeks after the wedding, So yeah,

786
00:32:59,321 --> 00:33:01,121
Speaker 5: would have at least had to be I think a

787
00:33:01,161 --> 00:33:02,361
Speaker 5: solid two or three months.

788
00:33:02,521 --> 00:33:04,561
Speaker 1: And the next day when you felt shit, will you

789
00:33:04,601 --> 00:33:07,241
Speaker 1: still thinking I'm looking forward to having a wine tonight.

790
00:33:07,641 --> 00:33:13,121
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just crying every day.

791
00:33:13,641 --> 00:33:16,121
Speaker 1: I'm going to go a bit more lighthearted. Now is

792
00:33:16,121 --> 00:33:20,921
Speaker 1: my last question. Have you ever thought about doing only fans?

793
00:33:21,401 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: What a question? No, not seriously, but I have joked

794
00:33:27,441 --> 00:33:30,481
Speaker 4: to Steve, like in a harder time, I did say

795
00:33:30,481 --> 00:33:32,601
Speaker 4: it them. God, I reckon if I started an only

796
00:33:32,681 --> 00:33:35,401
Speaker 4: fans I reckon with that many nosy people that I

797
00:33:35,401 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: would probably make a million bucks. And twenty four hours

798
00:33:37,441 --> 00:33:40,761
Speaker 4: He's like, he actually probably would, So I would never

799
00:33:40,841 --> 00:33:43,121
Speaker 4: actually do it, Like, it's not something I want to share,

800
00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:45,801
Speaker 4: but it's crazy, like, I know quite a few girls

801
00:33:45,801 --> 00:33:48,921
Speaker 4: on there that are making bank. Oh yeah, making bank.

802
00:33:49,241 --> 00:33:50,161
Speaker 3: It's really really funny.

803
00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:51,841
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know this, but there's a

804
00:33:51,921 --> 00:33:54,081
Speaker 5: bit of an obsession on the internet with my feet,

805
00:33:54,161 --> 00:33:55,841
Speaker 5: and it's been a thing that's been going on probably

806
00:33:55,841 --> 00:33:56,801
Speaker 5: a few years now.

807
00:33:56,881 --> 00:33:58,761
Speaker 4: I actually asked KR if I could look at a feet. Yes,

808
00:33:58,801 --> 00:34:00,001
Speaker 4: I was like, do you have a really nice.

809
00:34:01,601 --> 00:34:02,321
Speaker 3: They're just small?

810
00:34:02,521 --> 00:34:06,801
Speaker 5: I don't know anyway, So there's nearly messages on love

811
00:34:07,321 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: a Fan, there's a fan pages all like close ups

812
00:34:10,001 --> 00:34:13,281
Speaker 5: it's killed Kiro's tand line and feet picks, and then

813
00:34:13,441 --> 00:34:16,441
Speaker 5: there's just comments constantly has to delete them on loveless

814
00:34:16,521 --> 00:34:19,121
Speaker 5: rows about my feet. I see them on my YouTube. Ever,

815
00:34:19,281 --> 00:34:21,841
Speaker 5: I go, it's always my fucking feet. So I said,

816
00:34:21,921 --> 00:34:24,361
Speaker 5: if I ever needed to, I could do only fans

817
00:34:24,361 --> 00:34:26,441
Speaker 5: for my feet. Everyone else is zooming up and got

818
00:34:26,481 --> 00:34:28,961
Speaker 5: the photos online for anyway, It's.

819
00:34:28,761 --> 00:34:30,761
Speaker 4: Not something I don't think i'd have the confidence.

820
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:32,601
Speaker 3: And I don't think I would actually do it only

821
00:34:33,001 --> 00:34:33,561
Speaker 3: my feet though.

822
00:34:33,961 --> 00:34:37,321
Speaker 1: No, No, what about if everything went bad and you

823
00:34:37,441 --> 00:34:40,601
Speaker 1: lost all your businesses and Instagram shut down?

824
00:34:40,761 --> 00:34:41,761
Speaker 3: If it's just my feet?

825
00:34:41,921 --> 00:34:42,361
Speaker 4: Fuck yet?

826
00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:46,601
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never wear shoes, so everyone always sees my feet.

827
00:34:46,641 --> 00:34:48,401
Speaker 1: What about selling used underwear?

828
00:34:49,081 --> 00:34:50,321
Speaker 4: I didn't even know that was the thing?

829
00:34:50,401 --> 00:34:52,001
Speaker 3: Is that actually actually thing?

830
00:34:52,321 --> 00:34:55,841
Speaker 4: Wow? I've honestly never thought about it, but like, why

831
00:34:55,881 --> 00:34:56,721
Speaker 4: not as.

832
00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,481
Speaker 3: Long as you're anonymous, like, as long as I don't

833
00:34:58,481 --> 00:34:59,161
Speaker 3: know who you are, do.

834
00:34:59,801 --> 00:35:04,001
Speaker 4: They just sniff it? It's fucking weird. Gross. I couldn't

835
00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:06,001
Speaker 4: think of anything worse. S if someone's.

836
00:35:05,721 --> 00:35:08,361
Speaker 5: Dirty, and apparently it's like the dirty the better. So

837
00:35:08,401 --> 00:35:10,281
Speaker 5: if you've like corn sweating at the gym and that

838
00:35:10,561 --> 00:35:11,681
Speaker 5: you're getting to pay more money?

839
00:35:11,841 --> 00:35:14,081
Speaker 4: No, yeah, you know what, Like I don't think i'd

840
00:35:14,081 --> 00:35:16,521
Speaker 4: ever do it, But fucking good on the girls that

841
00:35:16,561 --> 00:35:20,561
Speaker 4: are making thanks for selling their dirty underwear. That's fucking amazing.

842
00:35:20,721 --> 00:35:22,041
Speaker 4: If they're making money from doing.

843
00:35:21,961 --> 00:35:24,281
Speaker 3: That, wow, good money from doing it, that's cool.

844
00:35:25,001 --> 00:35:29,401
Speaker 1: The air hostesses get asked for their tights for their stockings.

845
00:35:28,881 --> 00:35:33,641
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you go that's a thing. Yeah wow,

846
00:35:34,601 --> 00:35:36,841
Speaker 4: the more you know, oh my gosh, yeah, my mind's

847
00:35:36,921 --> 00:35:37,401
Speaker 4: like blown.

848
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,001
Speaker 1: That's all my questions. Thank you for opening up.

849
00:35:40,201 --> 00:35:42,361
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you, Katie, Thank you so much. And we

850
00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:44,521
Speaker 4: would love to know did you guys enjoy this episode?

851
00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: Because I feel like this could be a regular thing.

852
00:35:46,681 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 4: I loved it.

853
00:35:47,081 --> 00:35:48,561
Speaker 3: We just had no idea what you're going to ask.

854
00:35:48,641 --> 00:35:50,761
Speaker 4: I know it's going to pop up. Like I fully

855
00:35:50,841 --> 00:35:53,441
Speaker 4: cried and obviously been bottling that up for a while.

856
00:35:54,481 --> 00:35:56,241
Speaker 4: But yeah, we love being open books and for you

857
00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:57,881
Speaker 4: guys to get to know us on a deeper level.

858
00:35:57,921 --> 00:35:59,961
Speaker 4: I feel like it really brings the connection even stronger.

859
00:36:00,561 --> 00:36:02,161
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'd love to do this again. Are you

860
00:36:02,281 --> 00:36:02,961
Speaker 4: up for it, Katie?

861
00:36:03,001 --> 00:36:05,081
Speaker 1: I'm up for it. Maybe even the people listening and

862
00:36:05,201 --> 00:36:09,041
Speaker 1: could send you some questions on the Instagram page.

863
00:36:09,121 --> 00:36:12,121
Speaker 4: That's a good idea, good idea, amazing. Thanks for joining us, guys,

864
00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:13,401
Speaker 4: Well you next week. Bye.