WEBVTT - #1972 AI: The Good & Bad - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.279 I'll get a team. It's to you, projectivity and Cook, Patrick, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.880 James Bonello, Craig, Anthony Harper, just reporting in on a Friday, 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.640 well as Friday as we record. Whenever you hear this 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.520 is whenever you hear it. Let's start with the boy 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.880 in the room. Hi Patrick, it's just going to you. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:16.520 TIF didn't you? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:17.079 Yeah? 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.000 I did? I was ready, Hi Patrick? 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.960 Last episode do you ask for the girl in the room? 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.680 And then came to me and I just thought, you're 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.400 going to be smart again, or try to be I. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.880 Was going to be more respectful this time. How's the 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.800 land space station where you're currently residing. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.000 I kind of feel like we need to do a 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.400 screenshot or something so people get a sense of my 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.120 backdrop being a giant space station looking out on a 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:41.360 planet just hovering. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.520 Do you know what I mean? I know this sounds silly, 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.960 but it like if my mum looked at that and 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.440 I told my mum Patrick's in space, she would believe it. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.640 It looks literally like you're in space, like you got 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.440 this big round window just looking at it. I don't 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.080 know whatever it is is that the Earth below you 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.840 and the moon in the distance. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.720 Yeah, yep, yep. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:06.040 Yeah. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.560 The other thing too is you know, when you and this, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.920 I've started to this sounds like a real foible of mine, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.800 but I've started to get annoyed at having zoom meetings 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:20.119 with people turning on fake backgrounds. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.440 It is, what do you mean that's a photo of 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.000 the studio. Well, it's not real. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.280 It's a fake background. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.920 And you know what a fake background. It's a photo 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:30.960 of my real studio. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.640 Exactly, it's a photo. It's fake. And his hair kind 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.480 of starts to disappear. Well, actually that's just age. No, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.399 but you know, look at his shoulders disappearing and. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.000 Straight out of the gate. Everyone straight out of the gate, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.920 attack ups. This is this is what they do. Okay, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.280 when they're insecure, they just go, let's attack him. Keep going, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.560 keep going, do your best, not me, keep going, do 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.480 your best. If you can't say anything nice about people, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.040 don't say any thing. That's what Mary would tell you. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:10.200 That's him. He's just that out. Okay. So I'll talk 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.200 to you, Tiff. Tiff, how's your day going. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.520 It's really good. Thank you, thanks for asking. And I 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.440 think your shoulders look great with the background. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.839 Yeah. Thanks. I don't know what's wrong with my background. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.200 When you put your arm up, and. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.480 Now's interrupting because he's trying to get back in the 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.080 good books. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.520 I'm not getting back any good books. Hey, Now what 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.000 I mean by you know, when you're hit in a 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.639 zoom meeting or a teams meeting and the people have 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.400 fake backgrounds and they just start to shimmy in and 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.639 out and disappear and re materialize and deep materialize. It's 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.280 like watching an episode of Star Trek and they're all 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.560 about to go on away mission. That's that's started to 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.320 annoy me. Just have your background. And so I decided 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.160 to buy some backdrops. And obviously, because I took like 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.919 tech stuff, I thought a space station scene would be good. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.320 And that's why it looks more not realistic. You were 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.080 talking about fooling Mary, But the reality of it is, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.880 I'm not shimming in and out because it's not a 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:10.400 superimposed background, because it's actually a material picture that's hanging 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.120 on the wall behind me. And that's why it looks 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:12.760 more authentic. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.959 All Right, you're better than us. Well done, next Tiff, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.440 all right you win? Yeah great, I'll tell you what 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.680 when that's your biggest problem is fucking worrying about people's 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:28.519 backgrounds on Zoom. Your life's good, Champ. Yeah, true, you 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.600 probably find you had to find a real problem. Uh, tiff, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.160 how are you? What is going on on planet Tiffany? 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:36.880 Oh? Great stuff, Harts. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.040 I got up at the crack of dawn. I had 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.480 a seven am appointment with my body magician, as I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.720 call him, and I got the tick of approval. Things 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.800 are all tracking well, I'd had that tennis or golfers 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.760 elbow rubbish. I've already rehabbed it myself. You give me 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.720 a little pat on the back and sent me on 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.120 my way. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:55.280 How was that? 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.520 A couple of things I want to chat about, and 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.400 one is relates to might relate to Patrick, because you 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.560 sent me a gift voucher that we're going to talk about. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.720 When you say your your magician, what is it? A 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.440 he or she? Doesn't matter? But before it he Okay? 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.920 Is he a cairo, a physio, an osteo, or mio? 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.760 Is he any of the things ending in? 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:23.560 Oh? Yeah, he's a sports chiropractic, but he works in 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.520 a thing called neuro something rehabilitation. He does a lot 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.480 of it, does a lot of work with the brain 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.000 and how the brain communicates with the body. He's just 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.040 I just call him a magician because I don't know. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.279 He never does chiropractic adjustments ever. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.920 Does he need any more work? Because I'm feeling if 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.040 you share his name, he's going to be inundated. So 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.279 I don't know whether or not weishul. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.480 He already is in undated. He's hard to get into. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.800 All my clients get sent to him at some point 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.080 because he is the superior being. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.000 Well, if he's treating you at seven am, he's busy. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.760 He's busy. Patrick, do you have a mechanic of sorts 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.520 who works on your your sor like? Do you like 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.839 massage or physio or cairo? Do you like any of 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.479 that stuff? 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.000 Not really. I tend to only do it if I'm 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.599 really falling apart, which luckily not much. I'm so my 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.200 tai chi. I do tai cheese so often now I 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.760 teach it, I participate in it, doing lots of core work. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.200 We were chatting before the show, so I feel like 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.279 I'm in pretty good nettle at the moment. Does anyone 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.200 say that I'm in good nettle at the moment? 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.120 You and Mary feeling pretty good. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.280 I used to get some really chronic pain. When I 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.200 was at the gym with you, I used to get 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.240 bad shoulder pain, but that was because. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.159 It's a shout out, that's a good ad for my work. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.320 Was it as a result of training with you? Was 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.920 it as a result of sitting in a bloody desk 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.640 on a stool our radio station when I was working 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:01.360 in news at a company Trip and Fox. When I 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.760 was working for them in the newsroom, he sat on stools, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.160 unsupported feet, and the keyboard was sitting in front of you, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.200 and the monitors were sunk into the desk, so you hunched. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.919 Your natural sitting position was hunched over the monitors. It 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.800 was horrendously bad ergonomics. So I had chronic shoulder pain 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.240 for such a long time and went to lots of 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.840 different people. I don't know if you remember. There was 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.840 an amazing South African lady who was a Cairo and 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.480 a physio. I'm trying to think that name. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.480 Yeah, it worked at my place, Yeah, absolutely, And what 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.520 I love about her was that she took a very 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.839 broad approach, you know, a holistic approach to looking at 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.480 what was causing your ailments. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.680 Because I've been to lots of people and she fixed it. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.080 She was good. I should remember her name. She did 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.600 work in my business. But yeah, no, figure that was 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.400 twenty five years ago. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.240 It was a while, but I and you know what 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.400 fixed it for me. And this is going to sound weird. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.760 She gave me a home traction kit where you put 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.279 this neck brace on. You had a clip that was 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.160 fixed to the top of the door, and you put 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.160 water in a bag, so say three leads of water, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.560 so three kilos and it stretched your neck. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.280 Well, are you sure that was meant to be rehab 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:21.000 or something else? 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:22.400 It? 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.720 Yeah, that's that. Actually, neck traction is a real thing. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.880 It's just a it's a be careful thing. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.240 Pretty of a professional. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.360 Don't get your kid to yank on your neck while 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.120 you're lying on the kitchen table or something. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.560 Now, it was under quite strict medical supervision, but it 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.960 fixed everything. Just stretching the old neck was great. 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.480 Now, before we jump into the show proper, I'll go on. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.640 No, it's just gonna because it was very you know me, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.040 I give a very long winded answer. So no, I 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.440 don't have a regular person who manipulates my joints and 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.960 touches me all over. But I'm taking applications after the show. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.840 Okay, just shout out to Patrick if you feel like 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:11.040 you might be that guy TIV. You sent me a 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.760 message this week to say that you put on some 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.960 inordinate amount of muscle over the last month. You've got 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.240 an inbody or a body contest done. Are you feeling 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.560 quite powerful and strong? 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.800 I'm feeling quite good doing strength training and I'm loving it. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.120 And it's such a nice shift. And you know, as 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:37.679 a female that's always been very athletic and very borderline obsessive. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:42.560 But you know, I loved that high intensity, calorie burning, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.920 sweatfesting type of training. It's been a real nice switch. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.800 And what comes with that is kind of wanting to 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.600 see the scales go up knock down. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.840 That's hilarious. We watch your I would not ask any 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.280 other woman this but you, because I know you're happy 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.840 with it. What what's your current weight? 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.040 Sixty three? 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.040 How do you feel it that? Yeah? 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:08.400 Good? 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.800 Good. And the thing is like, I want to I 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.040 want to put lower body muscle on and the reality 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.480 is I can't do that staying at the same weight 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.400 because it's just physiologically not possible. I can't lose that 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.520 amount of weight to put it on in fat in 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.040 body fat, it'd be too lower body fat. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.160 Yeah, well you can't. Yeah, I mean, what's that? 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.280 Sorry, Greg, I had to all aids. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.640 If one sixty just under one sixty eight. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.520 Oh wow, I'm trying to do this s stare because 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.520 I'm one sixty nine and seventy kilos. It's just yeah, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.160 that's that's that seems really light to me. But obviously 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.880 your shape is totally different. Yeah. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.360 No, she doesn't look I mean not, I mean she 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.560 looks jacked, you know. She looks like an athlete, which 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.000 is it's good because that's what she wants to look like. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:04.199 So up and Grandpa in the middle of the screen. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.760 My screen anyway, is eighty kilos, which for me is 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.400 borderline anorexic. I haven't been this light since I was 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:17.840 about twelve, not even probably eleven. How funny is that? 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.840 People are going, Oh, that's funny. I got No, that's 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.080 actually true. I probably weighed this when I was about 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:24.160 eleven or twelve. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.200 But do you remember sitting in a boardroom in an 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.800 advertising agency with me when we were working on a 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.120 project that didn't quite get off the ground, but it 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.480 was just helping people lose weights, and there were a 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.640 number of people, and one of the directors of the 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.080 agency was a kind of a bit of a bigger guy, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.200 and we were all talking about, you know, collectively losing weight. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.920 So the idea of the project was instead of losing 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.280 weight individually, you set up a team of people and 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.640 you collectively lost weight, and that way it was more 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.120 of a team effort to help encourage people. But I 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.880 remember saying whilst we were sitting there, saying, yeah, I 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.920 like to lose a couple of kilos, and I was, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.480 and this guy got kind of really tore shreds off me, saying, oh, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.160 that's ridiculous. You don't need to lose any ways. But 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.840 it's a very personal journey when we look at weight 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.280 loss and one kilo to me is saying, oh, man, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.600 I just wish I could lose one or two kilos 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.679 in the grand scale of things. Because a good friend 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.160 of mine we were talking about losing weight and he's 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.280 lost about forty kilos. He's a very big person and 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.400 it's a massive amount to lose for him, but relative 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.440 to his size, he's got a little bit more of 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.600 a journey to go, and he's doing really, really well 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.840 because he's losing it over a span of time, but 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.880 it is a personal journey and it's and you know, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.679 sometimes people forget that, you know, and you almost face 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.600 ridicule if you say, if you if you present to 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.680 somebody who looks quite fit, but you feel that you'd 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.240 like to lose a little bit, without being obsessive, it 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.280 still is how you feel in your own skin. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.199 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's I remember exactly what you're 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.920 talking about and who you're talking about. And what's tricky is, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:12.040 especially in twenty twenty five, you can't almost talk about weight. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.199 You know, I can, and I do. But the problem 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.880 is that when we are talking about physiology and health 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:26.400 and body composition and subcutaneous fat and visceral fat and 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.400 diabetes and all of the things that kind of float 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.200 around how your body works and what your body is 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.960 made up of, and you know, people almost take that 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.520 as an emotional or psychological judgment or attack. Whereas I'm 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.040 speaking as an exercise scientist and I'm talking about data 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.040 and science, and so without being rude, I don't give 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.120 a fuck what people way. I don't give a fuck 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.559 what they look like. I care about how well their 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.920 body works. But like it or not, there is a 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:06.320 relationship between weight and how much body fat a person 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.520 is carrying, and they're likely health outcomes. Now that's not 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.959 a guess or a stab or an insult, but when 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.360 you point that out, people would rather find a way 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.040 to get insulted than enlightened, right, And they're like, oh, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.199 you're fucking fat shaming. I'm like, I was the fattest 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.360 kid in my school. I know what it's like to 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.040 be obese. I know what it's like to be called jumbo. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.319 I am not fat shaming. I'm fucking talking about health 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.960 and wellness and coming from a place of literal personal experience, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.960 you know. And there's that kind of trying to navigate 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.320 that road at the moment publicly when you're talking. It's 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.400 tricky because in many ways it's easier to find a 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.160 way to be offended than it is to take it 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.240 on board as just you know, science or information and 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.520 do something positive with it. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.280 The AMA, the Australian Medical Association, a few years ago 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.480 were trying to encourage doctors to be more blunts with 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.400 the language they were using and not to gloss over 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.520 the notion that someone might be morbidly obese. And the 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.000 thing is it's such a difficult journey for different people, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.200 for lots and lots and lots of reasons. And I 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.720 guess that the how do you walk that tight rope 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.920 of glossing over it to protect the person's mental well 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.760 being but also to you know, to say to them 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.960 that you potentially are putting your life at risk by 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:39.280 maintaining the current status status quo. So I don't know 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.960 that I'd want to be in that space, but it's 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.080 certainly a challenge in every GP and health professional faces. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.840 Yeah, and I think, I mean, it is tough because 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.080 of course you care about people, and you have empathy 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.400 and awareness, and you don't want to make people feel bad. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.200 But also I don't want people that I care about, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.800 or even people that I don't know that matter. I 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.960 don't want them to wake up in five or ten 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:11.960 years and have life threatening health conditions because everyone was 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:17.480 too concerned with their their feelings for the next thirty seconds. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.400 It's like, I care about your feelings, but it's not 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.240 my job to manage your feelings or work around your emotions. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.600 I'm literally sharing practical, real world information with you, and 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.920 if you don't want to listen, that's fine. If you 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.560 get upset. That's also fine. I don't want you to 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.360 be upset. But I'm not going to apologize for just 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.240 saying what I know. Like, I've literally worked with tens 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.520 of thousands of bodies, so I'm not guessing you know. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.320 This is not some random theory and it's it's funny. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.240 We live in that time where where did Tiff go? 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.880 By the way, Patrick, can hear? 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.080 We can hear, yeah, we can. We're missing you. What's 0:15:59.080 --> 0:15:59.480 going on? 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.040 Well, my screen has frozen, so everything and I can't 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.200 move the cursor or anything, so I can hear you, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.440 but everything's frozen on my computer screen. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.680 Don't touch anything. Was doing what you're doing? 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:11.360 Yeah? 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.320 Yeah, you just talk from behind that black curtain. I 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.800 don't know what I was going to say, but let's 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.680 talk about Let's talk about the stuff that you're the 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.520 best at, Patrick James. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.920 I've got a nice segue to that. Because a lot 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.560 more people are turning to AI for health advice, And 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.200 there was a really interesting story about a man who 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:36.520 became hospitalized with psychiatric psychiatric symptoms following getting after getting 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:42.280 advice from AI. So this guy was wanting to reduce 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.240 his salt intake. Okay, so he started this whole chat 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.520 with the chatbot, and he decided to set up his 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.480 own health plan and thought, I've got to reduce my 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:56.640 salt intake. So he basically found a substitute by talking 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.720 to chat JPT and it suggested sodium instead of sodium 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.080 chloride and you can swap them around if you're going 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:11.280 to be cleaning a bath tub but yesting it. So yeah, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.399 he went and bought this stuff online and thought, oh, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.119 I'm going to reduce my salting take with it, but 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.840 with different sort of salt. So he's just eating this 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.479 over three months he's decided to take this on and 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:26.399 then after that time he started, he ended up in 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.040 the emergency department with paranoid delusions and he believed that 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.679 his neighbor was trying to poison him. In fact, he 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.200 was poisoning himself. And that's because he'd listened to advice 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.760 health advice, and that the chatbot didn't really discern that 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.880 it was about him taking it. It's just well, what's 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:46.000 an alternative to salt, and that's what ended up happening. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.960 So yeah, it's a really timely reminded that everything that 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.359 you see may not necessarily be the right sort of 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.040 advice when you jump into a you know, you chat, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.320 GPTs or whatever it is that you're using. So that 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.080 was a very vivid ex you. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:07.200 Know, that's that's bloody amazing. I mean imagine, yeah, well 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.200 that that's one of the dangers, isn't it. I mean, 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.040 that's a danger of I think how much, how much 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.600 we pay attention to rely on trust and I think 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.240 everything even though you know, I think we both agree 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:26.119 that AI has got unbelievable potential and unbelievable capacity to 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.960 be of value. It's also you know, it can also 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.359 do untold harm if not used the right way, and 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.560 if perhaps trusted in inverted commas when it shouldn't be trusted. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.959 So oh yeah, And there's a lot of AI slop 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.280 out there as well. And in fact Wikipedia, I don't 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.480 know if you use Wikipedia much, but I tend to 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.040 find it still pops up and I have a bit 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.800 of a read, you know, whether it's a profile or 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.120 something like that. But they're battling AI at the moment 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.680 because Wikipedia is managed by a whole stack of volunteers, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.560 and a lot of them a pandemics. So these people 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.200 who are really passionate about keeping the content out there. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.680 So I guess it's like the Internet version of the 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:12.159 Encyclopedia Britannica. You know, it's the traditional encyclopedic format to 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.720 be able to give you information on a whole host 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.800 of things. But what they've always taken a lot of 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.160 pride in is the way that they fact check and 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.720 the way that the volunteers try to make sure that 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.640 the content that's on Wikipedia is proper, you know, whether 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.880 it's scientifically based or information based, it's you know, it's 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.280 a rigid way to kind of you know, keep the 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.760 system in place. But the problem now is that this 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.359 AI slop is being pushed out and anybody can contribute, 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.159 but then there's the fact checking that goes with it. 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.160 So they call the people who moderator called wikipedians, and 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.040 they go through all of this and what they're trying 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.879 they literally have to read the written articles, they have 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.320 to go through and they're trying to monitor what's being 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.280 proposed and they're getting good at finding the crap stuff 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.520 and there's a process that they go through, but they 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.920 are really working hard and typically articles that get flagged 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.639 then have a seven day discussion period. So it's a 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.160 pierce peer thing goes out other people in the community, 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.080 members who moderators, and they determine whether or not the 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.320 sites should be you know, should they should delete the article. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.240 So they feel it's quite robust, but they're kind of 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.399 fighting a bit of an uphill battle at the moment 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.439 to try to keep Wikipedia as you know, AI free 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.760 as possible. But there's so much slop. I read an 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.960 article a little while ago that said fifty one percent 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.840 of all content on the Internet now is AI generated. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.560 That scared the shit out of me. That's pretty scary 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.320 to think of that sort of content. But maybe at 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.160 the moment, Wikipedia seems like they're doing what they can 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.159 through a whole horde of volunteers. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.280 Overall, just one word or the other. Are you pro 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:02.480 or anti AI? Just overall? P Yeah? Cool, Tiff, where 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:02.840 you've been? 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.760 I fell fell off My Carl computer just shut down 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.080 and said we've needed to shut you down. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:10.880 You didn't. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.680 Patrick was just we've been talking about you for three minutes. 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:21.760 Tiff actually fell off the podcast. Now she's gone, I'll 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.320 tell you what. She's having Internet problems. She actually dropped 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.639 right out. There was just Patrick and I on the 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:28.760 screen for the moment. It's a good thing I'm recording 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:29.760 from this end, isn't it. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.240