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Speaker 1: It fits in with Kate wi podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Educate Podcast today, Lizzie and Jess Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about.

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Speaker 2: This is This is a little bit different for us

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Speaker 2: and I am truly going to be educated because you

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Speaker 2: brought something to the table.

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Speaker 1: I sure have it.

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Speaker 4: It's not just RSV shout out to everyone who's a

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Speaker 4: little bit sick during winter. So we've actually got our

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Speaker 4: first interview today excited and you're right, it's not Whipper

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Speaker 4: despite what he might think.

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Speaker 1: We have an actual celebrity on the show today, which

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Speaker 1: is very exciting.

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Speaker 4: So for the longest time, I have loved us pop

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Speaker 4: singer Fletcher. She's had so many great albums. The most

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Speaker 4: recent one is called In Search of the Antidote. Believe

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Speaker 4: me when I say this, there are no skips on

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Speaker 4: this album. Like I'll admit it Billie Eilish's new album,

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Speaker 4: there's a couple of skips for me. Taylor's new album

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Speaker 4: I love her thirty one tracks, there's a few skips.

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Speaker 4: You know that's big if it's coming from me. There

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Speaker 4: are no skips on In Search of the to Dope

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Speaker 4: by Fletcher.

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Speaker 1: It is just that good. It's just the perfect.

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Speaker 2: Are there only three songs?

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Speaker 4: It's the pret pop record really, And we're so lucky

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Speaker 4: because she's going to spend some time with us today.

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Speaker 4: I just thought we could ask her a little bit

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Speaker 4: about her career. She's coming down Under very soon. She's

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Speaker 1: But we're very lucky to have her join us today.

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Speaker 4: She's on the line now, and I think the best

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Speaker 4: happens at every concert where she gets to pick someone

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little offer from each of us here.

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Speaker 4: Do you think if we come along to the Sydney

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Speaker 4: Show one of us could be the mike stand during

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Speaker 4: Becky's So Hot.

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Speaker 5: I am I'm always taking applications for the human mike stand,

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Speaker 5: so it could be one of you.

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Speaker 2: Ill And how does that unfold? How do you pick

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Speaker 1: And you've got to be hot, don't you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, you guys are all sexy,

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Speaker 2: You please isolate that and make it a ring tone

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, So that's taken care of. And then I

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Speaker 5: If I'm feeling it on the day. I just saw

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Speaker 5: somebody who had a sign for it. She's like, can

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Speaker 5: I be your human mic stand? The first night I

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yes you may.

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Speaker 1: Yes you can.

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Speaker 4: What a great split of jobs coffees by day and

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Speaker 4: then has a little whippin on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you think you meet the most interesting

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: There's definitely some like it could go either way, or

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Speaker 5: we're doing both, you know what I mean. We're doing

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Speaker 6: I I gonna say, like sometimes they even involve like

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Speaker 1: So you could even she could combine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a natural vice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a bad idea.

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Speaker 4: Now, Fletcher, you are here, you were you were meant

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Speaker 1: Are you're feeling a lot better now?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for asking? Yeah, I actually I'm feeling so much better. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've I've missed the accents.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of ours?

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Speaker 6: Who has the sexiest Australian accent out of the three

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Speaker 5: It's me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's got to be made with a little bit

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Speaker 5: Surely give me a line, Give me a line, can

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, carry? Can I like? Can I take you

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Speaker 1: Okay? Well, okay, don't do American. Now. I'm so nervous because, like,

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Speaker 2: Hi, carry I take you out for dinner?

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Speaker 3: Okay, what about this?

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Speaker 4: But keep in mind I'll be better when we go. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was a bit creepy. Yeah, I'm melted. Ilt.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's embarrassing about that whole thing? You

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Speaker 1: We were all, no, I'm going to take that.

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Speaker 2: We're excited to have you here, and and you were

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Speaker 2: just saying here that you're feeling a lot better and

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm learning so much about you, and that's

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Speaker 2: so busy. I mean, you're even posting about what an

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Speaker 5: It is a pretty crazy thing to balance. I don't

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Speaker 4: Did you find though, because I heard an earlier interview

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Speaker 1: You're going into the studio when you could.

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Speaker 4: this is such a good album, no skips on it whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: This album was the first album of mine that I

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Speaker 5: Every other album, it's like, as soon as like everything's

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Speaker 5: And then this was the first album that I've ever

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Speaker 5: She is just she's so fucking cool, Like Charlie's been

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Speaker 5: And she's so so fucking epic. And I love Chapel's album.

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Speaker 2: I love Troy. He's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Fletcher, I would love to manifest that Troy, let's make

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Speaker 6: Do you know what I would love to manifest Troy

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Speaker 1: It's the hardest thing I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: To get I'm going to have to get googling, or

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Speaker 4: I'm now speaking of jumping on a track. I've seen

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Speaker 4: that you've sort of got close with Katie Perry. There

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Speaker 3: No, I hadn't. I hadn't met Katie yet. I had.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like sent her some flowers and I just

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Speaker 2: It's so nice to see you. I mean I look

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Speaker 2: But there must still be I mean, there's always more

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Speaker 5: No? I don't think I've said I definitely haven't said

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Speaker 5: Now? I feel like we'll just based on what I'm

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Speaker 4: Did you come away from going to the Tailor Yours tour, which,

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Speaker 5: I mean it's just such an art forum, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's actually why thank you?

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Speaker 2: This is exactly the conversation we have continued to have

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Speaker 5: Looks amazing and sound amazing, And yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 4: When you see her up on the stage, or you know,

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Speaker 5: I think just because of just like with my own

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Speaker 5: It's just you like step into this larger than life

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Speaker 2: When you say that there's almost a different persona on

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that you do before you go on stage,

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Speaker 1: I don't like or don't get on me.

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Speaker 6: Is there stuff like that that you like to do

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Speaker 3: Or But the other thing too is like I always

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Speaker 5: You know, if I feel more vulnerable, then like I'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put on a front.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the audience appreciates that too.

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Speaker 3: Because can you teach me to be that gry god?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can connect then, because I mean, regardless of

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Speaker 2: they also care about you. They're going to connect with you.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think they want some particular version of you.

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Speaker 2: What they love about you is that you are just

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Speaker 6: And it's super sexy to be grounded. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 6: I'm and you, yeah, teach myself at the moment, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the final thing to say is, well,

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Speaker 1: The three of us will be there.

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Speaker 4: We'll all have one hand on the sign saying pick

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Speaker 4: us as the mic stand and we absolutely cannot wait

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Speaker 4: to see you when you come here.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for your time today. We

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you guys so much. I'm excited to see

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Speaker 3: you at the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Travel safe, Thanks Fletcher Appreciator. Fletcher's album In Search of

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Speaker 1: I realized that that was the job I was applying for.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, do you want to come dresses of

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Speaker 1: You know why I might stick with the coffees.

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