WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 June

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening well first tonight to the outrageous move by

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese officials to bodyblock Australian journalist at chang Lei at

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference on Australian soil. We're still waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister to properly condemn

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<v Speaker 1>this unacceptable act. Here in Australia, we fiercely protect our

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press, unlike in China, where journalists are

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<v Speaker 1>locked up or regularly disappear. The visiting Chinese premiere and

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<v Speaker 1>his henchmen apparently don't respect our laws or our values,

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<v Speaker 1>despite them claiming Australia is their new BFF, Panda diplomacy

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that. Well, Journalist Chang Lai was imprisoned

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<v Speaker 1>in Beijing for three years. She missed out on crucial

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<v Speaker 1>time with her children. She'll never get back. It was

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<v Speaker 1>deeply traumatic for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve hours a day of pure sitting and very little

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<v Speaker 2>chance to get up and just walk, just pace around

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<v Speaker 2>a very little room. They say that they gave me

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes of fresh air, but all it meant was

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<v Speaker 2>there's a window up the top that the guard would

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<v Speaker 2>open for fifteen minutes. But the curtains are still drawn,

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<v Speaker 2>and you never saw anything except the blue curtains and

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<v Speaker 2>the mottled carpet and the beij padded walls. Silence.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was Cheen Lei.

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<v Speaker 1>In October twenty twenty three, after her eventual release, she

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<v Speaker 1>was working as a television host in China when she

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<v Speaker 1>was wrongfully imprisoned.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she's a journalist here.

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<v Speaker 1>On Sky News, and today she attended the press briefing

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<v Speaker 1>in Canbra with Anthony Albanesi and the Chinese premiere. She

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<v Speaker 1>was aggressively body blocked by Chinese officials.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a look signed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can see that man handling there of

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<v Speaker 1>the by the Chinese official of an Australian consteal, a

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic staff member. And you also saw there chang Ley

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<v Speaker 1>taking a photograph of the officials. Now, clearly an Australian

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<v Speaker 1>official asking the Chinese embassy staff to move is important,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet they refused. That in itself is shocking. Chang

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<v Speaker 1>Ley also tried to move seats. She swapped with another

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<v Speaker 1>Australian journalist, but the Chinese officials followed and once.

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<v Speaker 3>Again blocked her view.

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<v Speaker 1>She spoke about what happened to her on Sky News

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<v Speaker 1>earlier well it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Typical right with these events, especially if they're attaching importance

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<v Speaker 5>to the friendly facade that they're carefully staging, that voices

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<v Speaker 5>of discord or you know, the presence of someone who's

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<v Speaker 5>a bit controversial not harm that. And in fact, at

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<v Speaker 5>the I guess the briefing by Prime Minister of Nazi

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<v Speaker 5>and premierly Lee Chang, that's a freidancelant just now really

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<v Speaker 5>highlighted that because they went to great lengths to block

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<v Speaker 5>me from the cameras and to flank me. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>only guessing that is to prevent me from saying something

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<v Speaker 5>or doing something that they think would be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad look, but that itself was a bad look.

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<v Speaker 3>This can't be glossed over.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's emblematic of how China treats its journalists and

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<v Speaker 1>its critics. I saw a firsthand when I was writing

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<v Speaker 1>my book and investigating the origins of COVID, how whistleblowers

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<v Speaker 1>who tried to raise the alarm about the new pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>went missing, never to be seen again. Even doctors some

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<v Speaker 1>bravely risked their life to give me information over encrypted

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<v Speaker 1>platforms because the time topic was that important to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But the shamelessness of these Chinese officials trying to flex

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<v Speaker 1>their muscles, and the fact that they felt emboldened to

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<v Speaker 1>act like that in front of our Prime minister, in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the full press gallery and in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras well, that tells you everything about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the current Chinese regime. This is a serious diplomatic incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Australian officials were involved. They asked the Chinese officials to move,

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<v Speaker 1>yet hours later the Prime Minister claimed he still knew

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 6>There's some of the documentsal being signed in the committee

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<v Speaker 6>room today. Some Chinese embassy officials tried to block my

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<v Speaker 6>colleague here in Chanlai from view of cameras. Is it

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<v Speaker 6>acceptable to import that kind of behavior into the heart

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<v Speaker 6>of Australia's democracy here in parliaments.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 8>I saw.

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<v Speaker 7>Chang Lai and we smiled at each other during Jerry

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<v Speaker 7>during the event. Look, I'm not aware of those issues.

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<v Speaker 7>It's important that people be allowed to participate fully and

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<v Speaker 7>that's what should happen in this building or anywhere else

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<v Speaker 7>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very weak answer from the Prime Minister. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Shadow Trade Minister Simon Birmingham didn't quite believe that answer

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<v Speaker 1>from the PM either, because.

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<v Speaker 3>It is unbelievable that no one would have told him.

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<v Speaker 1>About it, and Shadowhome Affairs Minister James Patterson also said

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<v Speaker 1>that Albaneze's version of events lacked credibility.

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<v Speaker 9>I would have thought, Tom, it would be surprising if

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<v Speaker 9>the PM's advisors didn't say, by the way, Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 9>you might get asked a question about this, and I

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<v Speaker 9>suspect he should have been prepared and even if he

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<v Speaker 9>didn't quite see it taking place, should have known fully

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<v Speaker 9>that it was happening.

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<v Speaker 10>But it's not credible, Tom. It's been publicly reported earlier

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<v Speaker 10>this year that the Minister employs eleven media advisors in

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<v Speaker 10>his office, and among them are people who might be

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<v Speaker 10>surprised to some of your audience, but watch Sky News.

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<v Speaker 10>Standard operating procedure for a media advisor is to brief

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<v Speaker 10>your principle on recent breaking events before they go out

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<v Speaker 10>into a press conference. It is completely not credible the

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<v Speaker 10>Primeister did not know when he walked into the press

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<v Speaker 10>conference that this incident happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And James Patterson's view is that this is now a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of behavior from Albanisi where he is repeatedly and

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<v Speaker 1>comprehensively failed to call out Chinese aggression, including and especially

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<v Speaker 1>when it involves our military who're putting their lives on

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<v Speaker 1>the line to protect our country. And James Patterson will

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<v Speaker 1>be on my show tonight to speak about this. But

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<v Speaker 1>just for a moment, think about the courage it would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken for Chang Lei to even be in that

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<v Speaker 1>room in the first place, in the presence of Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>officials who locked her up.

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<v Speaker 3>For three years.

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<v Speaker 1>She never knew if she was going to see her

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<v Speaker 1>children again, or sunlight again. You can only imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional trauma of walking into that room, the courage to

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<v Speaker 1>sit there, the memories It would inevitably dredge up, but

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<v Speaker 1>she would know or trust that she's now in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>She's safe, no one can touch her. And yet henchmen

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<v Speaker 1>for the PRC tried to exercise their own totalitarian values

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<v Speaker 1>right here in Australia in Parliament House. And the question

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<v Speaker 1>now is will Albanesi strongly condemn this?

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<v Speaker 3>Will Penny Wong? How can Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Officials feel so emboldened to act like this while they're

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<v Speaker 1>visiting Australia. Perhaps it's because they believe they've already bought

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<v Speaker 1>our silence. Albanesi will not call out China's foreign interference,

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<v Speaker 1>it's espionage's deensive militious cyber attacks, or its human rights

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<v Speaker 1>abuses in public.

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<v Speaker 3>He will not ask how.

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<v Speaker 1>The COVID pandemic started, despite many Australians still suffering from

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<v Speaker 1>long COVID or vaccine injuries. He won't mention the Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>wigas in labour camps in Shingxiang. You wonder if he

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<v Speaker 1>only cares about the plight of Muslims when it's to

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<v Speaker 1>do with Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>We're seeing from.

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<v Speaker 1>Labor this dysfunctional moral compass, where Albinezi feels a compulsion

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<v Speaker 1>to condemn in the strongest possible terms our ally Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>while staying silent on the greatest aggressive in our region, China.

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<v Speaker 1>This is despite the fact Israel is a democracy defending

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<v Speaker 1>its people from terrorists in a war that is as

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<v Speaker 1>much about the existential threat of the Jewish homeland as

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<v Speaker 1>it is about protecting the value that underpin our Western civilization,

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<v Speaker 1>and China is part of the emerging axis of evil

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<v Speaker 1>along with Russia, Iran and North Korea. But Albinizi appears

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore the reality of these threats. They just don't

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<v Speaker 1>suit him politically or ideologically. Now, also coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>the show tonight, Peter Dutton is catching up to Albinizi

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<v Speaker 1>in the polls.

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<v Speaker 3>But can he win the next election? My political analysts

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<v Speaker 3>will join me later in the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus more downing allegations of sexual harassment at nine as

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<v Speaker 1>one TV legend speaks out to say the behavior is

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<v Speaker 1>entrenched at the network and calls for changes. Authorities ignore

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<v Speaker 1>pro Palestinian protesters proud display of terrorist emblems. But now

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring in tonight's panel. As always on a Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>Sky News, host Listora and contributor Joe Hildebrand.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 11>Welcome, thank you lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Here Joe, let's start with you. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>your reaction to what we saw today with Cheng Ley.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, I think Cheng Lai. I was talking about it

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<v Speaker 12>on this network in this seat just last night. Cheng

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<v Speaker 12>Lay is an incredible human being. I admire her resilience

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<v Speaker 12>and strength enormously. I played, you know, I remember writing

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<v Speaker 12>a column, you know, calling for her release, like so

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<v Speaker 12>many others. I'm not pretending that idea anything particularly special,

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<v Speaker 12>but I just remember that as I was writing and thinking,

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<v Speaker 12>oh my god, we're just never going to see this

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<v Speaker 12>poor woman again.

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<v Speaker 11>She's not going to see her kids again. And you know,

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<v Speaker 11>I hate bad news.

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<v Speaker 12>I much prefer to deal with a rough and tumble

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<v Speaker 12>of politics and horrible things like that. And yet she's here,

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<v Speaker 12>she got back. Part of that, I think we have

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<v Speaker 12>to acknowledge was due to the way Anthony Alberanzi was

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<v Speaker 12>able to reset the relationship and he was able to

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<v Speaker 12>have a word with Jijiping on the sidelines of the

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<v Speaker 12>G twenty. Apparently this is how it came about, and

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<v Speaker 12>so I think we sort of have to acknowledge that.

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<v Speaker 12>Having said that, today, the biness of what happened today

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<v Speaker 12>was clearly horrendous. I imagine it would have been. And

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<v Speaker 12>you can just see from Chenley herself how incredibly you know, sensible,

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<v Speaker 12>and you know she didn't she didn't ge hysterical about it,

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<v Speaker 12>she didn't jump up and down. She was very clear,

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<v Speaker 12>she was very analytical about what happened, which just makes

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<v Speaker 12>me admire even more. But but that I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>underlied the horror of what we were actually seeing, which

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<v Speaker 12>is this kind of brute force totalitarian tactic in what

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<v Speaker 12>is meant to be the heart of Australian democracy. I

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<v Speaker 12>do think it's plausible to PM. I think the PM

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<v Speaker 12>said he didn't see it. I'm not sure if he

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<v Speaker 12>said he didn't know about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But he said he said he wasn't aware of it.

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<v Speaker 11>He wasn't aware.

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<v Speaker 12>He said he didn't see it. But that might have

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<v Speaker 12>been a bit of plausible deniability. It may well have

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<v Speaker 12>been that. Absolutely as soon as Premier League gets on

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<v Speaker 12>a plane and it's no longer in the country, I

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<v Speaker 12>think it.

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<v Speaker 11>But that that is the nature.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be in w A tomorrow, so we can expect

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<v Speaker 1>that the Prime Minister will be I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about two things. One that vision that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>where the Australian official goes up to the Chinese officials

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<v Speaker 1>clearly says can you stop standing in front of Chang.

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<v Speaker 3>Lay and following her wherever she sits.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Chinese official man handles her, it touches her,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it overrules her. I mean, they are

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<v Speaker 1>visiting guests in Australia, but the fact that they feel

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<v Speaker 1>so emboldened to be this aggressive to stand in front

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<v Speaker 1>of Cheng Lai after locking her up wrongly for three

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<v Speaker 1>years tells you so much about how they see the

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<v Speaker 1>current relationship with Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>We are subservient to them and they know it. They

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<v Speaker 3>know that we know about the cyber attacks.

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<v Speaker 13>On the daily that are targeting our energy, our water,

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<v Speaker 13>our transport systems. They know that we know about all

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<v Speaker 13>their moves in the South China, see them threatening Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 13>They know that we answer to Washington and they're our

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<v Speaker 13>closest ally. They talk about this at depths. I love

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<v Speaker 13>reading their Global Times because it's straight well, our closest ally,

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<v Speaker 13>and we follow them into every war that they choose

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<v Speaker 13>to join.

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<v Speaker 14>They they know where we stand, we know where they stand,

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<v Speaker 14>and we're in this ridiculous pantomime where they know that

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<v Speaker 14>we know that, they know that we know, and yet

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<v Speaker 14>diplomacy has to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>We are very much, still, very much reliant on China.

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<v Speaker 13>They know that too, and so I actually don't find

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<v Speaker 13>this all that shocking or at all. This is the

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<v Speaker 13>Communist Chinese Party acting for all the world like the

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<v Speaker 13>Chinese Communist Party. And what stood out most to me

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<v Speaker 13>about this is we say, oh, how could they how

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<v Speaker 13>dare they there on our soil?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 14>But who won.

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<v Speaker 3>Who won that little altercation?

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<v Speaker 13>Did we have you know, actual security guards escort them

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<v Speaker 13>from the building and say, no, we are standing up

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<v Speaker 13>for this woman in our press back.

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<v Speaker 3>No we didn't.

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<v Speaker 13>They won that altercation and China saw that, and all

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<v Speaker 13>the eyes in China saw that, and so did every

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<v Speaker 13>single Australian who actually thinks that this government, if they

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<v Speaker 13>are misled enough to believe that this government can even

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<v Speaker 13>stand up for Australians to China, even on that tiny,

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<v Speaker 13>small scale, it would have sent a message.

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<v Speaker 3>But we didn't send it, did we I.

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<v Speaker 11>But just to clarify, everyone in Australia would have seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, because there's no free press, which is appalling.

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<v Speaker 13>Although it would be something that they would be happy

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<v Speaker 13>to show because again they won. This is us pushing

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<v Speaker 13>around China.

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<v Speaker 11>You would never show like that.

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<v Speaker 12>That would just show this is Australia welcoming with And

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<v Speaker 12>you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 11>It is a dance.

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<v Speaker 12>It's often a dance in which you get your hands dirty,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, if you're you know, you're always evaluating, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>all right, do we make a big fuss about this?

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<v Speaker 12>Do we make a fuss about it publicly? Do we

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<v Speaker 12>do it privately. If we do that, what's China's likely response?

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<v Speaker 12>Will we lose this free trade?

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's the whole point, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>They condemn Israel every single day when Israel is doing

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<v Speaker 1>very little, if anything wrong at all.

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<v Speaker 3>China engaging in the most egregious act.

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<v Speaker 1>Against Australia, against our national sovereignty, and our prime minister

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<v Speaker 1>is silent even when it happens.

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<v Speaker 12>If he's right with our biggest trading partner, the response

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<v Speaker 12>would be very different.

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<v Speaker 11>And that's just real politics. It's ugly, but it's sadly true.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Seinfield is in Australia at the moment, in Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, for his stand up show, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>heckled by a pro Palestinian protester who tried to throw

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<v Speaker 1>him off mid performance.

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't seen that yet, here it is.

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<v Speaker 15>It's a show war.

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<v Speaker 16>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you didn't love Jerry Seinfield already, we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at his epic response.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Genius, lady, gentleman, He's sved the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Jewish thing, is that too?

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<v Speaker 11>One's doing everything.

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<v Speaker 3>You're really influencing everyone here.

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<v Speaker 9>You're all on your.

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<v Speaker 10>Sign because you made your points so well and in

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<v Speaker 10>the right venue, You've come into the.

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<v Speaker 3>Right place or polute.

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<v Speaker 17>Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>That is comedy gold from Jerry. What a good way

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<v Speaker 3>to handle that.

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<v Speaker 12>I feel like Jerry Seinfeld has just put, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>the tens of thousands of words of column inches that

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<v Speaker 12>I've been writing for the last twenty five years into

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<v Speaker 12>like one fifty one liner. He's amazing, He's great. And again,

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<v Speaker 12>when the Left does this, they do themselves a terrible disservice.

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<v Speaker 12>They look pathetic themselves. They make it so much easier

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<v Speaker 12>for the right to say, well, you're all just a

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<v Speaker 12>bunch of delusional numpties. They do absolutely nothing for the

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<v Speaker 12>Palestinian people. I don't want to do anything for the

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<v Speaker 12>Palestinian people because it's all about their moment of glory

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<v Speaker 12>and their moment of martyrdom. So far as they would

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<v Speaker 12>have thought about how is this actually going to improve things?

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<v Speaker 12>If they actually got to a second step in thinking

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<v Speaker 12>about it, which it's debatable whether or not they did,

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<v Speaker 12>they still wouldn't have cared because it's about them, it's

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<v Speaker 12>about them being heroic. Then they can tell their friends

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<v Speaker 12>about what they did about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine spending four hundred dollars on a ticket to yell

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<v Speaker 1>your pro Palestinians be kicked out immediately.

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<v Speaker 12>Also, imagine what a low piece of scum you'd feel

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<v Speaker 12>while you're just sitting there waiting, trying not to laugh

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<v Speaker 12>at all.

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<v Speaker 11>Those dirty Jewish jokes that he's telling, you know.

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<v Speaker 12>Trying to sort of hoping that no one knows that

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<v Speaker 12>you're secretly from extinction rebellion.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, I hope he quiz guys, that's right? How

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<v Speaker 11>much you have to hate yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>What I love about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you just said a minute ago, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that Chinese won there were no security escorting the officials

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<v Speaker 1>who were standing in front of cheng Lei around from

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<v Speaker 1>seat to seat.

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<v Speaker 3>But here, well, the security did take out.

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<v Speaker 1>Those pro Palestinians who were disrupting the show, and Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Seinford won't get out. It has better security and Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>sign show than in Parliament.

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<v Speaker 13>Jerry's got bigger gonads on him than our own prime minister, clearly,

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<v Speaker 13>but Jerry's also used to this now, right, So something

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<v Speaker 13>similar happened at a show in Virginia recently. We saw

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<v Speaker 13>when he got up to give a speech at Duke University,

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<v Speaker 13>which is where he hows from. The pro Palestinian protesters

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<v Speaker 13>did this massive walkout, this big assembly, this was their statement,

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<v Speaker 13>and he did similar then and just graciously thanked everyone

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<v Speaker 13>who hadn't walked out. And this simply in the face

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<v Speaker 13>of a single Jewish man who has.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely nothing to do with what's going on with Israel

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<v Speaker 3>right now, and the fact that he's got the guts and.

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<v Speaker 13>To do so in such a satirical way to point

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<v Speaker 13>out the idiocy of these people who now want to

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<v Speaker 13>treat every Jewish person on the planet like they have

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<v Speaker 13>a you know, a real say in what's going on,

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<v Speaker 13>regardless of what people think exactly or how ill educated

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<v Speaker 13>they are about the conflict that's happening over there right now.

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<v Speaker 13>The idiocy of them to treat people like here in

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<v Speaker 13>Australia Jewish people differently, as if they've got anything to

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<v Speaker 13>do with it, as if they're on.

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<v Speaker 3>The direct line to and make them look all for themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I get this a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I will get on the phone, particularly with labor politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll start, you know, having a go about what

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Nettinya who's doing, and I'm like, hold on that's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the world. What worries me

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<v Speaker 1>is how Jewish people are being treated here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have your views on Netanyaho, that's fine, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have a different view on anti Semitism here

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>We all have to be against that.

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<v Speaker 1>And just because someone is Jewish, that doesn't mean they

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to be treated any differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we go, Joe, I just want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>About Kerry Anne Kenniley, the Nine television legend, has come

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<v Speaker 1>out against her former employer. She told The Australian that

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<v Speaker 1>recent allegations of inappropriate behavior by senior figures that the

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<v Speaker 1>company had not surprised her.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what she had to say. She said, history has

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<v Speaker 3>just repeated itself.

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<v Speaker 1>I experienced the Nine culture professionally and personally over decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has learned behavior it was entrenched by senior

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<v Speaker 1>people before them.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, this is you know, it's been this has now

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<v Speaker 3>been rolling for a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But this intervention by carry Anne Kennelly shows, if it's correct,

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<v Speaker 1>which I assume it is, that it is a cultural

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<v Speaker 1>problem at the network.

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<v Speaker 12>What I found extraordinary about this and of course I

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<v Speaker 12>know Cac well, I'll probably get a text message from

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<v Speaker 12>her now any minute, but that you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 12>of the behavior we've been hearing about at nine and

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<v Speaker 12>the allegations as well, both known and unknown. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>it has been happening in the third decade of the

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<v Speaker 12>twenty first century. Just imagine what it was like when

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<v Speaker 12>Kac was there. You're almost sort of.

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<v Speaker 11>Shut her to think.

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<v Speaker 12>And it also occurred to me Kak has been very

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<v Speaker 12>unfairly sort of pilloried, like I suppose everyone in public life,

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<v Speaker 12>but I thought it was particularly unkind. She was pillaried

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<v Speaker 12>towards the sort of twilight of her career for some

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<v Speaker 12>remarks she made on studio.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to be looking at vision and she's got

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<v Speaker 1>pack now with Peter Costell, right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 11>Goal and became and became this sort of public enemy.

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<v Speaker 12>And I just wonder how many of those in the

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<v Speaker 12>woke right on progressive sisterhood who attacked her will now

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<v Speaker 12>actually show her some of the respect and appreciate what

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<v Speaker 12>she has to say.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Choe Hitter brand listor I thank you both

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<v Speaker 1>so much your time lives.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see it at ten o'clock tonight. Cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now coming up, Well, we've been discussing about how Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>officials body blocked the cameras from some but Daniel Andrews

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<v Speaker 1>received a royal reception at Parliament during the state visit.

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<v Speaker 1>Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson will join me next,

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<v Speaker 1>plus more in action from Victorian police who failed to

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<v Speaker 1>reprimand protesters wearing terrorist symbols.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned, welcome back. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the way Anthony Alberizi is rolling out the red

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<v Speaker 1>carpet for Chinese Premier League, it's easy to forget that

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<v Speaker 1>China is the most aggressive threat to Australia in our region.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the top perpetrator of militious cyber attacks, foreign espionage

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<v Speaker 1>and electoral interference. In the Australian newspaper, Ben Packham reports

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<v Speaker 1>today that under the Albanezy government.

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<v Speaker 3>China has gone from wolf to panda.

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<v Speaker 1>He says the soft deploymacy On show stands in contrast

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<v Speaker 1>to the deep suspicion within the government, the national security

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<v Speaker 1>establishment and the wider community about China and its long

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<v Speaker 1>term threat to Australian interests. He needs to take care

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<v Speaker 1>or he'll be viewed as a panda. Hugger at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when Australians are alert and alarmed about the China challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Even senior Labour figure Bruce Hawker was concerned.

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<v Speaker 15>Elopment in the room, still defense, Taiwan, a relationship with

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<v Speaker 15>the United States, all these issues which are floating around

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<v Speaker 15>at the military in defensuland they're not going to go

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<v Speaker 15>away anywhere any soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Those issues the elephant in the room, he says, and

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<v Speaker 1>albanys he keeps trying to make this visit about pandas

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<v Speaker 1>as in the zoo animal Seriously, he.

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<v Speaker 7>Spoke about the Tasmanian devils as being cute animals. In Australia,

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<v Speaker 7>they're probably not as cute as pandas. I repeat what

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<v Speaker 7>I said in Shanghai when I was asked my government

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<v Speaker 7>is pro pander. We like panda bears and so do

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<v Speaker 7>I reckon Australians.

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<v Speaker 1>The visit hasn't been all smooth sailing. We've seen protests

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<v Speaker 1>erupt on Parliament lawn with reports of the CCP flag

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<v Speaker 1>being burnt, and while Chang Lai was body blocked from

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<v Speaker 1>a Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews received a royal reception on

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<v Speaker 1>arrival at Parliament House. With officials even calling out to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for his photograph. And it's no secret why during

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<v Speaker 1>his time as Premier Daniel Andrews slug taxpayers more than

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<v Speaker 1>half a million dollars for seven trips to China since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, and that included an eighty two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>bill for his six day secret trade mission to China

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<v Speaker 1>just last year. Let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs

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<v Speaker 1>Minister James Patterson. James, thank you very much for your

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<v Speaker 1>time this evening. Look, let's start with that outrageous body

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<v Speaker 1>blocking of cheng Lai and Albanize's response to it today

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<v Speaker 1>as well, where he said he wasn't aware of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think his response is good enough? And what

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<v Speaker 3>do you think of the fact that Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Officials felt emboldened to act like that in Australia at

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament House.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't believe the Prime Minister unless every one of

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<v Speaker 10>his eleven media advisors are guilty of the most serious

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<v Speaker 10>professional malpractice of allowing the Prime Minister to go and

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<v Speaker 10>face a press gallery press pack including Chang Lay and

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<v Speaker 10>didn't bother to tell him about the serious incident involving

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<v Speaker 10>Chang Lay only an hour earlier in Parliament House upstairs.

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<v Speaker 10>It's simply not a credible explanation. Frankly, I'm worried that

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<v Speaker 10>the Chinese delegation will be laughing tonight because not only

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<v Speaker 10>did they get away with it, but they didn't even

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<v Speaker 10>cop the mildest rhetorical rebuke from the Prime Minister of

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<v Speaker 10>Australia after they engaged in body blocking and intimidation of

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<v Speaker 10>an Australian journalist, and one in no small point, had

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<v Speaker 10>recently just spent several years in incarceration unjustly in China.

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<v Speaker 10>This really is a very disappointing episode. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 10>has one last opportunity to clear this up tomorrow. He

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<v Speaker 10>should seek an explanation from the Premiere for the behavior

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<v Speaker 10>of his delegation and an apology, and he should front

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<v Speaker 10>up the press tomorrow and answer questions about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think no one would disagree when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the importance of stabilizing the relationship, getting rid of all

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<v Speaker 1>the tariffs that have been really hurting Australian businesses and expots.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to how this has happened, has

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<v Speaker 1>it been because of our silence? Has it cost us

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<v Speaker 1>standing up for our sovereignty. Do you believe that there

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<v Speaker 1>are areas where the Albanesi government is now failing to

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<v Speaker 1>speak out on just to appease Beijing.

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<v Speaker 10>The tragedy of this shari is that the Chinese government

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<v Speaker 10>is unwinding the economic coercion campaign they launched against Australia

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<v Speaker 10>because it failed, and they were always going to unwind

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<v Speaker 10>against Australia because it had done them great damage in

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<v Speaker 10>the region and around the world. We didn't suffer the

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<v Speaker 10>economic hit that they thought we would. We stood up

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<v Speaker 10>behind our public policy settings, and other countries who are

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<v Speaker 10>watching didn't take the message China hope they would, which

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<v Speaker 10>is never take on China. They took the opposite message,

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<v Speaker 10>never to be dependent on China. And so the change

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<v Speaker 10>of government was just a plausible off ramp for the

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<v Speaker 10>Chinese government and face saving way of unwinding these things.

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<v Speaker 10>And actually it didn't require any concessions from Australia, but

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<v Speaker 10>I think they have been concessions, and particularly that been rhetorical.

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<v Speaker 10>This government has virtually ceased all public criticism of China's

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<v Speaker 10>serious domestic human rights abuses, all public criticism of their

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<v Speaker 10>maligned conduct in the South China Sea, and all public

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<v Speaker 10>criticism of their foreign interference, espionage and cyber attacks on

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<v Speaker 10>our country, which are occurring on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you say it's mostly rhetorical, but as you recall,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the items on China's list of fourteen demands

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<v Speaker 1>to Australia was that ASBI, a pro American think tank,

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<v Speaker 1>be shut down. There is now a review into think

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>tanks which covers ASBI, and there are concerns that it

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<v Speaker 1>might be defunded or have its funding reduced.

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<v Speaker 10>Sure, I can share your concerns and the concerns of

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<v Speaker 10>others about this, and I made a submission to the

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<v Speaker 10>Varghezy review. ASPA is Australia's most globally influential and respected

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<v Speaker 10>think tank. It has had impact far outsize its funding

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<v Speaker 10>and position in the scheme of things. It's been remarkably

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<v Speaker 10>success and particularly the work done over the last decade

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<v Speaker 10>on things like the abuse of wigas in Hinjang on

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<v Speaker 10>Chinese military universities and the way they're taking advantage of

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<v Speaker 10>our universities really has changed public policy, not just in

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<v Speaker 10>this country but around the world. It will be a

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<v Speaker 10>grave mistake for the Albanese government to give in to

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<v Speaker 10>China's pressure and to wind back even one dollar of

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<v Speaker 10>our spues funding and I'll be watching very closely.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, if you were in government and you are shadow

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<v Speaker 1>Home Affairs Minister, how do you think you would handle

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<v Speaker 1>the China challenge? How would you handle standing up for

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<v Speaker 1>our sovereignty while still having a relationship with our largest

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<v Speaker 1>trading partner.

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<v Speaker 10>We at a macro level, we will always stand up

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<v Speaker 10>for Australia and we'll always put Australia and its national

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<v Speaker 10>interests first. We will never compromise our national security in

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<v Speaker 10>the pursuit of bilateral relations because we believe we view

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<v Speaker 10>bilateral relations as a means to an end, not in

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<v Speaker 10>an end in itself. It's about securing our national interest

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<v Speaker 10>and in my own portfolio, will complete the agenda on

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<v Speaker 10>foreign interference and espionage by bolstering the cyber vulnerabilities that

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<v Speaker 10>we now face in that realm. This government has done

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<v Speaker 10>nothing to combat the very serious foreign interference risk that

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<v Speaker 10>cyber enabled through platforms like TikTok and we chat, and

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<v Speaker 10>it's crying out for action because our elections could very

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<v Speaker 10>easily be interfered with, and our public discourse right now

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 10>is being interfered with and that's not good enough.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yet another area where the US and the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>our like minded allies, are taking action, but Albanezi doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to know about. He doesn't want to even be

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<v Speaker 1>asked questions by journalists at press conferences, as we saw

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday where he shut down a question.

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<v Speaker 3>James Patterson, thank you very much for joining us this evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, pro Palestinian activists are openly displaying symbols of terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>of Hamas and Hezbla on the streets in Victoria as

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<v Speaker 1>they rally against Israel, in photos obtained by Alexei Dimitriardi.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Australian activists over the weeks have been seen

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<v Speaker 1>wearing hamasa's distinctive emblem on their clothing. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is this well known protester, Mohammed Sharab, who stood just

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<v Speaker 1>meters from police.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a regular speaker at these rallies in Melbourne, CBD,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's alleged that he's one of four people who

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapped and violently assaulted a thirty one year old Melbourne

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>man in February. That story we have been covering on

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<v Speaker 1>this show. Now, these terrorist emblems that are being worn

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<v Speaker 1>were outlawed in the Criminal Code in January, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is being done to enforce criminal penalties. Police and

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>government simply turning a blind eye. Let's bring in now

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<v Speaker 1>the Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rifchin.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex, good to see you again. What do you think

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<v Speaker 3>about this inaction to actually enforce new laws by our

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<v Speaker 3>authorities and how is it actually emboldening extremists.

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's shameful show.

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<v Speaker 18>I mean, we are a nation of laws and as

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<v Speaker 18>you rightly pointed out, Hamas and Hezbelah were prescribed in

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<v Speaker 18>full as terrorist organizations in this country. It is unlawful,

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<v Speaker 18>it is contrary to our criminal provisions to show public

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<v Speaker 18>support for these organizations. And there's a very good reason

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<v Speaker 18>why we have these laws because by brandishing their slogans

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<v Speaker 18>and their paraphernalia in public, it glamorizes them, it normalizes them,

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<v Speaker 18>it encourages people to join these organizations and perhaps take

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<v Speaker 18>up their violent extremist terrorist ideologies. So we need to

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<v Speaker 18>see enforcement of laws and we've had for the past

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<v Speaker 18>eight months. The laws, the legal tools there to prosecute people.

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<v Speaker 18>It's simply a lack of political will to do so.

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<v Speaker 18>And it's endangering our community, and it's endangering our society.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is absolutely part of the problem. When

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<v Speaker 1>laws aren't inforced, it just encourages the behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>No one gets the message that it's just not on. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Turn to how Iran has in recent weeks welcomed the

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<v Speaker 1>university activists on campus globally or The Australian's columnist Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Mitchell writes today that it's the media who continue to

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<v Speaker 1>swallow Hermasa's lies. He says, and I'm quoting here much

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<v Speaker 1>of the media, many university leaders, student protesters, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of our politicians need to be held accountable for allowing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to be used in an Iranian sponsored propaganda war

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<v Speaker 1>designed to entrench Islamic fundamentalism. Alex, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the ignorance of this group, from students to politicians

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<v Speaker 1>to journalists.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, I agree with those sentiments entirely. I mean, the media,

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<v Speaker 18>particularly in this country or sections of it, have a

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<v Speaker 18>great deal to answer for. From the very beginning of

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<v Speaker 18>this war. They have quoted uncritically Humas propaganda as their

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<v Speaker 18>statistics for casualties in Gaza. They have launded what is

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<v Speaker 18>effectively a band of rapists and murderers and thugs into resistors.

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<v Speaker 18>They call people who relentlessly docs and harass and intimidate

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<v Speaker 18>Jewish Australians as peace activists. You have a situation where

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<v Speaker 18>it's becoming more and more normal to describe Israel, which

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<v Speaker 18>is only democracy in the least, as an apartheid state,

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<v Speaker 18>to describe their just war against a terrorist organization as

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<v Speaker 18>a genocide, and there has to be reckoning. We are

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<v Speaker 18>seeing a situation where this information is being spread at

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<v Speaker 18>levels that we've not seen before, and it's leading to

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<v Speaker 18>a fracturing of our social cohesion, threats and intimidation of

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<v Speaker 18>our community. And this really has to stop.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we talk and you just refer to it.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know this this moral confusion or how everything

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 1>seems to be turned upside down at the moment when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the moral compass, particularly among the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Well a Nobel Prize winner hert and Marla, has written

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<v Speaker 1>about this brilliantly, and she says that she's a polled

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<v Speaker 1>that young people students in the West are so confused

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<v Speaker 1>that they are no longer aware of their freedom that

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 1>they have apparently lost the ability to distinguish between democracy

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<v Speaker 1>and dictatorship. I mean, don't you think we are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>that across the board now? And just last week when

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<v Speaker 1>Israel bravely rescued the four hostages. You know, people couldn't

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>come out like Penny One, couldn't come out and openly celebrate.

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<v Speaker 3>That for the good news that it is.

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<v Speaker 18>I think in some ways I would actually disagree with

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<v Speaker 18>the quote that you read. I think the sentiment of

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<v Speaker 18>it is entirely correct, but I think that people actually

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<v Speaker 18>can tell the difference quite clearly between right and wrong,

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 18>between a terrorist organization and a free state. What really

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<v Speaker 18>disturbs me, what really concerns me for our society and

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<v Speaker 18>for the future of this country, is the fact that

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<v Speaker 18>it is so glaringly obvious what each side in the

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<v Speaker 18>conflict stands for, what they represent, and yet a great

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<v Speaker 18>number of people, particularly young people, are choosing the side

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<v Speaker 18>of the evil. They are looking at the same image

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<v Speaker 18>as show that you and I saw. They saw Noah Agamani,

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<v Speaker 18>one of the rescued hostages, being dragged away from a

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<v Speaker 18>dance party on the back of a motorcycle to a

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<v Speaker 18>depraved captivity by a terrorist organization, and there are people

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<v Speaker 18>among us who look at that same image and feel

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 18>greater sympathy for the terrorist men than for the young

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 18>woman being abducted in the most horrific circumstances imaginable. And

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<v Speaker 18>it's that inability to actually sympathize with Israel merely because

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<v Speaker 18>it is a Jewish homeland and represents Western values and

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<v Speaker 18>democracy and freedom and liberalism, and the preference for a

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<v Speaker 18>terrorist organization siding with the Ayatolas and increasingly with neo

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 18>Nazis that have flooded to the Propostitian cause. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 18>really troubles me about the future of our society.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely agree, Alex Rifchin. Thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 3>your time.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the new polls that show alban Easy is

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<v Speaker 1>on the nose with voters, but is it enough for Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>Dutton to win the next election. I'll discuss this with

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<v Speaker 3>my political panel after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Will Two new polls show that Australians are losing trust

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<v Speaker 1>in the Albanesi government.

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<v Speaker 3>Resolve Political Monitor shows that.

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<v Speaker 1>Labour's primary has fallen to twenty eight percent, while the

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<v Speaker 1>coalitions is sitting at thirty six.

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 3>The Herald reports at Labour's.

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<v Speaker 1>Primary is now at the lowest level since resolved polling

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<v Speaker 1>began three years ago. It's also the first time Dutton

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<v Speaker 1>has eclipsed Albanesi, only just in the poll as preferred

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>PM and freshwater strategies. Research shows Albanzi has lost significant

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<v Speaker 1>ground to Peter Dutton, just two percentage points ahead now

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<v Speaker 1>as preferred PM, and for the first time receiving a

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>lower approval rating than the opposition leader. Joining me now

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>former Labor Minister Graham Richardson and Scott Morrison's former Press

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<v Speaker 1>secretary Andrew Caswell.

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<v Speaker 3>Rich So, Andrew, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Both now, Richo, a primary of twenty eight percent for labor,

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe these figures, if they've got them right,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight percent is brutal for labor. Should your mate

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<v Speaker 1>Albo be worried by these poles?

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<v Speaker 8>I think anybody he doesn't worry about a twenty eight

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 8>percent pole has got to be kidding himself. It is

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<v Speaker 8>a very poor result and it causes I think concern

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<v Speaker 8>for every labor supporter in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the primary that labor got at the last

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<v Speaker 1>election was thirty three percent already that was historic lows,

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but since then Albin Easy. I mean, he had a

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 1>long honeymoon, but now the cost of living crisis, so

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<v Speaker 1>many other scandals, the detainees who've been released and are

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<v Speaker 1>causing havoc. I mean, all of this is now denting

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<v Speaker 1>the view, the perception in voters' minds about the prime

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<v Speaker 1>minister's competence. I mean, Andrew, do you think though, that

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<v Speaker 1>Dutton is surging ahead in to win the election?

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<v Speaker 11>Will Sharry? It's an awfully hard road ahead for the coalition.

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<v Speaker 17>The numbers are astronomical, but they are on the right

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<v Speaker 17>track and Peter Dutton is putting every foot forward to

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 17>put himself in that position, and he's becoming a credible

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<v Speaker 17>alternative to the prime ministership, or as you said before,

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<v Speaker 17>he is the preferred prime minister at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 17>which is remarkable. And it's remarkable considering that the Labor

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 17>parties have spent the last two years saying that this

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 17>bloke is unelectable, that he's unlikable, and they've convinced themselves

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<v Speaker 17>of this narrative that no matter what happens in their

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<v Speaker 17>own government or the scandals, the negativity, the stumbles that

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<v Speaker 17>they have in the back of their minds, they're thinking,

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<v Speaker 17>but at least we're not Peter Duarton. At least, you know,

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<v Speaker 17>we're electable and he's not electable. And they've convinced themselves

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<v Speaker 17>of this narrative. The Australian people are seeing another side

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<v Speaker 17>to this because Peter Dutton is speaking sense to situations

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<v Speaker 17>where people are being frustrated cost of living, energy prices, immigration, crime.

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<v Speaker 17>He's speaking sense in all those areas and the Labor

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<v Speaker 17>Party have vacated the field on these issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Labor Party thought Tony Abbott was unelectable. They

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<v Speaker 1>thought Scott Morrison was unelectable. In twenty nineteen, they thought

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<v Speaker 1>Darton was unelectable.

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<v Speaker 3>Richo, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think voters are starting to have a second

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<v Speaker 1>look at Peter Darton and thinking, oh, maybe he is

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<v Speaker 1>Prime ministerial material.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think there's some truth in that. I think

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<v Speaker 8>Dutton's been doing very well. He's certainly picking the right

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<v Speaker 8>issues to speak on and I think he's just you know,

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<v Speaker 8>burrowing away underneath the government and I think undermining them.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he's doing pretty well now.

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<v Speaker 1>Leading economists are predicting that we're not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a rate cut until next year, and some economists like

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Hogan say there could even be not just one,

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<v Speaker 1>but two rate rises this year.

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<v Speaker 12>Have a look, why are you so insistent the Reserve

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<v Speaker 12>Bank should raise rates once or twice more.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's not that I'm insistent.

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<v Speaker 19>I just think that's where we'll end up. I don't

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<v Speaker 19>want to say a rate hike any more than the

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<v Speaker 19>next person. But the inflation we've got in our economy

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<v Speaker 19>is not going to go away on its own. The

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<v Speaker 19>level of the cash rate of four point three five

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<v Speaker 19>does not appear to be high enough to get it

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<v Speaker 19>back down to target.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Richo, the prospect of another rate rise, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even two, is brutal for families already really struggling.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, that's a political disaster if that happens, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean not every economist agrees. You never get economists

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<v Speaker 8>degree in anything, but this is a pretty serious issue

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<v Speaker 8>for labor and not something that they can dismiss. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>the more they see of Dunton, people like him, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think labor expected the opposite to happen well, and

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<v Speaker 8>so labor are going to have to be very careful

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<v Speaker 8>over the coming months, because you know Dutton's he just

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<v Speaker 8>keeps going Dutton, you can't stop it. And I think

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<v Speaker 8>he's doing particularly well and I think he's doing much

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<v Speaker 8>better than anyone in the Labor Party thought possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Andrew, I mean this is another reason why Labor

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<v Speaker 1>will be unlikely to go to the polls this year

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<v Speaker 1>if rates go up and if the cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>crisis gets worse than it is now. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Labour says it stands for vulnerable Australians and

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<v Speaker 1>families are doing it tough.

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<v Speaker 17>They are doing it tough, shariot, and I think they've

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<v Speaker 17>moved from frustration to anger now because there isn't being

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<v Speaker 17>isn't enough being done to address that cost of living pressure.

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<v Speaker 17>Now the government have set themselves up here in a

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<v Speaker 17>very awkward manner, progressing to a potential.

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<v Speaker 11>Election last year, sorry latter this year.

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<v Speaker 17>They have made the gamble and the budget that in

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<v Speaker 17>flo will track down lower and therefore there will be

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<v Speaker 17>scope for the RBA to move on interest rates. That

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<v Speaker 17>is no guarantee, And every day it has passed us

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<v Speaker 17>a budget is looking like the other way, so the

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<v Speaker 17>more likely now we're looking at a May election. It

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<v Speaker 17>is an awful began to be considering December, when cost

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<v Speaker 17>of living will only increase and there will be no

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<v Speaker 17>prospect of a rate decrease.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you'd want to hope for the sake of

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<v Speaker 1>families out there that labor has got the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living under control by early next year at the very latest. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>just quick last topic before you go, Rich, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>speaking on the show tonight about Australian journalist Chang Lai

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<v Speaker 1>and the bullying tactics that Chinese officials showed towards her today.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about alban Easy failing to properly

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<v Speaker 1>condemn this today.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he could have said more and I think

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<v Speaker 8>he should have. This is a serious you and I

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<v Speaker 8>think you know, China is the sort of great big

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<v Speaker 8>bully in the in the area, and unfortunately, because they're

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<v Speaker 8>a biggest trading partner, I think sometimes we're reluctant to

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<v Speaker 8>stand up and go as hard as we should and

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<v Speaker 8>in the case of in this case, we must go

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<v Speaker 8>harder because I think this it's fundamental to what a

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<v Speaker 8>democracy like Australia stands for.

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<v Speaker 13>Mm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, said Andrew. I mean the government you worked for.

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<v Speaker 1>You were Press secretary to Scott Morrison, where you went

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<v Speaker 1>very hard on China. Some would say too hard. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about the current government's approach.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, I'll give them a tick for the economic side

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<v Speaker 17>of it, that there is a huge advantage for the

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<v Speaker 17>normalization of this relationship. But let's not fool ourselves here.

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<v Speaker 17>This is on the outside. This is a different China

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<v Speaker 17>to the one that Morrison faced. There's not Yes, there's

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<v Speaker 17>no longer that the the bullied boy pulpit. There's no

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<v Speaker 17>longer the wolf warrior diplomacy that we're seeing. But we're

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<v Speaker 17>still seeing belligerent acts from a belligerent from a belligerent

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.879
<v Speaker 17>communist government. We're seeing acts against our navy, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 17>cyber warfare, and we're seeing what we saw today with

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<v Speaker 17>Chang Lai. We're seeing a different China, but completely completely

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<v Speaker 17>different to the one that we had to do with

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<v Speaker 17>in our government.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, all right, rich O Andrew Carswell, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>both very much. Now after the break, how Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>stepped in to save a confused Joe Biden. Plus could

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<v Speaker 1>author JD. Vance be Trump's running mate? The full details

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<v Speaker 1>with Koshergata Next, Welcome back. Well, Donald Trump has revealed

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a pretty good idea of who he choose

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<v Speaker 1>as his running mate, and their speculation it could be

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Senator JD.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>You might remember that he rose to fame as the

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<v Speaker 1>author of He'll Billy Elegy. Sky News contributor Koshagada joins me, now, Kosher,

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<v Speaker 1>good to see you look inside to say that JD

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<v Speaker 1>Vance could be the key to flipping working class Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>voters in battleground states. Do you think JD would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good choice or I mean there are other political

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<v Speaker 1>strategists who say Trump should be choosing a woman.

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<v Speaker 16>I think JD is a little bit of a double

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<v Speaker 16>edged sword because he absolutely his appeal would be to

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<v Speaker 16>that rust belt, those battleground states and the disaffected Democrat

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<v Speaker 16>voters as well as Republican voters. I remember these estates

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<v Speaker 16>are Trump won in twenty sixteen all by himself. So

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<v Speaker 16>there is an argument to be me that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 16>need somebody to shore up that because his constituency really

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<v Speaker 16>naturally resonates with those folks. But then he lost them

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<v Speaker 16>in twenty twenty, and so that's really what the selection

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<v Speaker 16>is going to turn. On the flip side. When I

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<v Speaker 16>say it's a double ed sword, is the JD Vance

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<v Speaker 16>is a Senator from Ohio, just into his first term

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<v Speaker 16>over there, and the senator right now in a fifty

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<v Speaker 16>to fifty tie and effectively a Democrat majority with the

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<v Speaker 16>tiebreaker vote from the Vice president. So many people are

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<v Speaker 16>concerned that if he were to run, he would have

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<v Speaker 16>to abdicate his Senate seat. And winning the Senate is

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<v Speaker 16>almost as important as winning the White House for Republicans,

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<v Speaker 16>if not more, And so that's going to be part

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<v Speaker 16>of the calculus as well. I'm sure that the Trump

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<v Speaker 16>team is considering.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Joe Biden was caught in a daze or he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be in a daze at an LA fundraiser

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<v Speaker 1>and it seemed that former President Barack Obama stepped in

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<v Speaker 1>to save him.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was just standing there, not moving. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many moments like this. It's kind of hard for

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>voters to ignore.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 16>Undeniably impossible to ignore? I would say, you have this,

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<v Speaker 16>you have just what happened at the G seven summit

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<v Speaker 16>last week, where Georgia Maloney had to sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>bring him back to attention. And you keep seeing is

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<v Speaker 16>and we'll probably see only more of them, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>in the few short months ahead before November fifth. There's

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<v Speaker 16>another point too in this, because there was a fundraiser

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<v Speaker 16>that David Sachs, famous venture capitalist in Silicon Valley, held

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<v Speaker 16>for Trump just a few days before this one, and

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<v Speaker 16>I think he put out a tweet that said, at

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<v Speaker 16>a Trump fundraiser, trump is a draw card, and at

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<v Speaker 16>a Biden fundraiser, everybody else is the draw card. Because

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<v Speaker 16>they had Obama there, and they had Julia Roberts and

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<v Speaker 16>George Clooney and Jimmy Kimmel. And I think that's really

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<v Speaker 16>the perfect encapsulation of I think the two campaigns writ large,

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<v Speaker 16>where you really see that one the draw, whether you

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 16>love him or hate him, is the candidate himself and

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<v Speaker 16>Trump and over here, just moments like these show that

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 16>it really feels like he's sort of propped up by

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<v Speaker 16>the apparatus ante.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all indeed, all right, Koshagada, that's all we've

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<v Speaker 1>got time for. I'll see you tomorrow at eight. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>poor Murray