WEBVTT - Homeless kid who took down a pedophile ring: Glen Fisher Pt.1 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.039 Detective see aside of life the average person is never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.400 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.479 Today's guest, Glen Fisher, has experienced things in his life 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.320 that no one should have to go through, violence and 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.000 abuse on a scale that will shock you. I don't 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.480 even know how to describe what Glenn has been through. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.240 Down by his family and let down by the authorities 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.120 who were meant to be helping him. How he is 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.200 even alive, I think is a miracle in itself. We 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.920 discuss heavy topics on I Catch killers, but today, I 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.679 think it's appropriate to provide a content warning. We'll be 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:21.600 discussing child sexual abuse, murder, violence, and a child protection 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.560 system that failed. Glenn, who was living on the streets 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.560 in King's Cross been preyed on by predators. Glenn spoke 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.040 very openly about how he got revenge on the people 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.800 who sexually abused him, his addiction to drugs, his time's 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.080 in jail, trying to take his own life, and how 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.399 he turned his life around so he could help others. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.440 Have a listen to what Glenn has been through and 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.240 his views on life, I think will amaze you. It's 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.680 a heavy chat, but Glenn's story definitely needs to be told. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.680 Glenn Fisher, welcome to I Catchkillers. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.400 He may thank you for having me. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.960 Good. Well, I'm going to apologize up front because your 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.080 name has come up to me so many times over 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.640 the years, and you should get Glenn Fisher on the podcast, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.280 and we've got a lot of mutual contacts and friends. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.440 And on reflection, I think I sort of shied away 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.639 from it because I knew your story. I hadn't understanding 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.720 of your story how heavy it was, and I don't 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.480 think I was just ready to deal with it and 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.000 you would understand that, like it's just it's a dark world. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.200 Yeah, absolutely, and that's honest. Yeah, I appreciate that. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.640 Yeah, and I thought, yeah, I've got to reach out 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.880 to Glenn and then mate Adam Smith, who I first 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:38.840 met in prison, he called me and put you straight 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.680 on the phone. So I was pretty well stuffed and 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.919 I've got okay, well I can't eide anymore, so I 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.280 shout out to Adam for bringing this together. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.560 What a great man. I love watching people redeem themselves 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:51.720 and that's what actually is doing. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.239 Yeah, yeah, it is good, isn't it. It's really good 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.079 and doing some doing some positive stuff as you are. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.239 And we'll talk about that because I think it's quite 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.560 amazing how you've turned your life around. And we will 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.240 talk about your childhood and I've got to say it 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.040 was horrific and yeah that's the thing. Like the childhood 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.240 you expect to be loved and nurtured and looked after, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.640 so you know, to come through what you've come through, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:18.880 it's quite amazing. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.160 I think that I've come to an understanding now that 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.240 my mum specifically was really unwell and my dad well 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.120 he's just a grub, you know, he's a predator, Like 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.280 you can't explain that. But I think my mum was 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.320 very unwell, showed schizophrenia, alcoholic, she suffered with addictions and 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.320 mental health issues. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.080 Yeah, well you get that understanding. As you get older, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.440 don't you. The world becomes a little bit clearer and 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.160 you start putting the pieces together of what took place. Yeah. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.680 Absolutely, And I think that looking at my own situation 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.600 and my own circumstances, myself being a parent and knowing 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.600 that how hard the thing to my life have impacted me. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:56.360 Yeah, you know. So, in prepping for the podcast, I've 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.360 watched some of your interviews and read the book and 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.800 heard you speak, and there's one thing that really jumped 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.280 out to me, and it's when you confronted one of 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.400 your abuses, Simon Davies. And we'll talk more and more 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.320 about that, But you bumped him on the streets of 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.320 King's Cross and you told him pretty much word for word. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.360 I'll read it out one day. I'm going to write 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.960 a book and expose you, and I will hold you 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.039 accountable and tell the world what you have done. Now. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.400 Simon Davies is a convicted pedophile, but he sort of 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.240 laughed at you and said you're a junkie. You're not 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.680 going to be alive by the age of twenty one 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.160 and you can't even write, So what are you going 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:34.680 to do to me? 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.320 Well both those things were true at the time, yeah, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.520 you know, but the problem was by him saying that, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.479 Like I think that it might have been an idle threat. Yeah, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.080 but when he laughed in my face, I thought, you know, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.440 fuck you. I'll come back to you bo. And it 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.400 took me a while, you know, because I had a 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.680 heroine habit to deal with and a lot to process. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.800 But I did exactly what I said I would do 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.320 and held him and others accountable. I wrote my book 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.400 and now I'm telling the world. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.560 Yeah, well, good on you. And he got convicted. Tell 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.240 us about where you're from of him? Was it both 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.560 chance meeting or you saw them out? No? 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.560 So what happened was he was opposite the train station 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.159 on the main street of King's Cross and it was 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.560 just after the loss of my partner at the time 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.359 that we'll talk about later, and I saw him and 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:17.800 this is anger come over him, and I thought, I'm 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.120 going to say something to this guy. And I walked 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:20.440 up and I said, one day I'm going to tell 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.160 the world what you did, and so one day I'm 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.520 going to hold you accountable. I said, I'm going to 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.120 write a book because he was an author, you know, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.600 that's what kind of inspired that thought process. And like 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.480 I said, he just started laughing at me. And you know, you, junkie, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.040 you'll be dead by the age of twenty one. You 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.600 can't even read and write. I had to fill out 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.240 your forms at the refuge, which took me back, because 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.200 both those things were true. I was a heroin addict 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.240 and I couldn't read and write, not properly. I could 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.480 read him write a little, but I was kind of illiterate. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.720 Doesn't that a lot about the type of person he is? 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.920 Like that like beating down on the virtual kid with 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.279 all the history and yeah, we're not even dragging dragging 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.000 in at this stage the fact that the sexual abuse, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.280 but the type of person he is, like just crushing. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.480 One that's in his way. Yeah, that's exactly him, you know. 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.479 And as a kid. It's funny because the very things 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.440 that I've seen him now that I despise were the 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.680 very things that I admired. And when I first met him, 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.040 he was articulate, He was clever. He was surrounded by 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.880 high profile people like prime ministers things like that, so 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.840 you know, it was easy to impress, you know, a 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.560 little boy that didn't know the world. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.960 That's the creepiness of it, isn't it. Yeah, they put 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.720 they put themselves in. The perception from the public is 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.560 that they're fine, up standing citizens, and they couldn't. It 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:27.640 couldn't be further from. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.960 The truth, that's right. They get themselves into positions of 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.600 power and positions of trust and attack the most vulnerable. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:33.800 You know. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.039 One of the things that one of my abuses said, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:37.600 they were a wire. I had to wear a wire 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.080 on one of my abuses, our Grant Morris, and he 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.800 said in front of them, he said, we targeted pre 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.520 pubescent children that come from broken homes that no one 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.320 gives a shit about. And I was sitting with a 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.400 detective and two undercovered detectives at the time, and everything 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.400 in my body wanted to jump the counter, you know, 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.600 and you know, react to that. But I knew that 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.599 there was a process that he was slowly bringing himself 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.120 down and we got him well. But Jijuit hurt when 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.960 he said it, because you know, I wasn't the only one. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.840 Then it was people that I love very dearly and 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.040 that were also kids are abused by these people. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.560 And this is the nature of the crime with these predators. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.640 It's not a one off thing. And you would have 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.160 seen you in your time in prison, people that make mistakes, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.200 that lash out or something goes wrong. But these people plan, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.680 don't They they're predators is the right word for them, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.480 because they look for their victims. They're always hunting. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.360 Absolutely. One of the things the couple said to me 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.480 once because I didn't want to give evidence. I was 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.520 scared to go through all that process. And he said 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.720 to me, Glenn, and he kind of was not right 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.960 to say, but it worked. He said that every person 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.560 that he abuses there after you by you not speaking 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.520 up is kind of on you. You know, if you 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.640 don't come forward and say something this guy, they go 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.160 on to continue and and I couldn't live with that, bro, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.080 Yeah I couldn't. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.560 It's a true thing. But there's a big weight to 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.840 place once place on you. But you know, you got 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.760 the results. But just you know, you talk about being angry, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.040 and I want to ask you upfront, like speaking to 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.600 you and getting the sense and there's a calmness about 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.080 you and how have you let the anger go? Because 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.280 when people, when our listeners, hear the story of your 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.720 childhood and what you've been through and then not just 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.960 through the family environment, but then the people that meant 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.000 to protect you, I could understand why you would be 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.560 the most angry human being. If you were still around 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.600 and not completely broken, you would be angry. How have 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:29.600 you managed to let that go? 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.000 So for a lot of my life, that is who 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.920 I was. Every little thing or big thing that would happen, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.800 my first emotion was always anger, and it was like 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.000 a child. It was a child like right ah, you know, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.439 screaming and yelling like a kid. But what happens is 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.040 I started treating my trauma and I started working on it. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.280 One of the things I realized that anger was a 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.679 secondary emotion when I started to understand that there was 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.560 actually something behind my anger, usually resenting, a rejection, hurt, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.880 some other kind of feeling. I used to keep a book, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.680 a reflections book, and at the end of each day, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.599 after any incidents that I'd have, I'd sit down and 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.920 I'd write it all out, and I started to realize 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.720 that I'm actually really hurt underneath it's more hurt than anger. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.439 I had a lot of rejection in my life, and 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.800 so they were the feelings i'd feel, and it was 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.320 like everything in the past, like I'd be again over 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.760 an apple, something silly, but all of that would come 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.360 to the apple, if that makes sense. And so I've learned. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.000 I've learned to places if something happens now, it's about now, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.400 it's not about my past. And I think my having 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.040 a family has definitely softened me as well. I don't 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.120 want to see history repeat. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.120 Well. Yeah, full credit to you, because I see and 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:38.440 a lot of the people have sat in the seat 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.120 where you're sitting that have had tough upbringings and you understand, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.280 but yours is right up there. Yeah, in terms of 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.800 what happened, tell us about your childhood, like early memories 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.760 and through just tell us your stories, because I think 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.640 people are going to be shocked and the maze. Yeah. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.920 So, I mean, my first memories are in I'm not 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.800 sure if it was a rehab or a commune or 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.640 what it was, but we were living in some place 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.000 and I remember being there. But my parents got chucked 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 out for some reason and we moved to North Sydney, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.320 Neutral Bay, I remember that my mum and dad's brand 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.440 was a pedophile like my dad, and at this there, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.040 I just remember all these violent confrontations with my parents 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:18.960 where my dad and mum would get drunk and they'd 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.520 physically fired each other. They would always call me out 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.480 to referee, you know, the oldest of the kids, Glenn, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:25.959 come out here, come out here, And then I'd go 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.280 out and there's no winning, Gary, Like, no matter which 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.599 side I choose, I've lost to the other, you know 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.959 what I mean. But the violence, like in North Sydney, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.719 in the first violent incident that I remember was my 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.719 mom and dad had this huge, big fire screaming and 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.360 yelling at each other, and then my mom told me 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.640 to go with my dad. So I went and got 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.360 in the car with my dad in this white youth 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.679 and we're driving around the corner and then just randomly 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.240 he reaches over, opens the door and just goes boot 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.959 and kicks me straight out of the car like I 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.400 don't know how fast it was going, but I remember 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.400 skidding along the road and taking all skin off my shoulders, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.719 my elbows, and it was like and that's like it 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.880 gets worse. The violence in my life was just you know, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.600 it just gets worse. But what happens is in nineteen 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.800 seventy we moved him out through it. And what ends 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.839 up happening first is that I come home from school, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.280 so all the first thing that happens is I'm sitting 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.640 outside of our house and a guy gets shot dead. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.400 A guy shoots his brother in the house directly across 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.319 from where we were, and I'm just sitting on the 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.840 brand of watching it, and nobody sort of pulled me inside. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:24.360 How old are we talk? 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:24.720 Five? 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.080 So that when you've been kicked the out of the car, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.360 you are a little boy? 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.839 Yeah, an absolute infant. Yeah. But the reason I talk 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.640 about the guy getting shot dead was because about a 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.160 week after that, I was walking up my street from 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.480 kindergarten to come home and I saw a bullwagon out 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040 the front of my house. And I'm now seven, And 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.240 what happened is, as I'm walking up the driveway and 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.640 see the bullagon out the front of my house, I think, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.960 what's going on? As someone hurt my dad, as someone 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.000 hurt my mom, have they hurt my siblings? So I 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.840 kind of rush in. My dad's been arrested for pedophilia charges. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.000 He's in the back of the car and drunk talking 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.560 to the police, and the screaming and yelling and stuff, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.599 and I'm buzzing around like what's going on? What's going on? 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.719 You know, like a kid does. I could comprehended. And 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.400 the funny thing was this pit all the violence in 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.959 my life, I still had this deep love for my 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.079 dad and my mom, you know, I just did. But 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.000 the other thing I remember was lots of promiscuity around 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.599 my mum and dad's brand, who was a pedophile. Was 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.520 what was actually happening was he was abusing me, and 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.720 my dad was abusing his kids. And I have pickbacks 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.280 and flashbacks sorry of him getting me to get on 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.560 top of his two daughters whose names I won't say, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.800 but you know, I have all these kind of memories. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.800 But what ends up happening is my dad gets taken 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.360 to jail and we get taken to an orphanage in 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.240 Luis and they dump us in this Luis my mom. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.959 We get out about a week or so later, and 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.000 then we get put back again. My mum slashes up. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.480 She cuts one hundred stitches in one arm, one hundred 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.199 and twenty and the other she goes through a window 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.880 or something and gets you know, stitches in her arms. 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.480 She ends up getting my two younger SIPs out, at 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.160 least my brother and I there. But it's when we 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.760 come out that life really takes a turn for the worst. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.960 I go back to live with my mother. The first 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.880 incident is my mother's ever heard of Beck's and Vincent powders? 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.559 No? I remember them, yea, in the little yellow boxes. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.600 Well, mister Whipby trucks back then used to bring them, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.000 and she could hear the ding ding ding of the 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.960 mister Whiby trunk, you know. So suddenly she's scurring around 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.640 the house looking for coin, and I'm sitting in the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.640 laund room and she goes, you stole my money off, 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.520 you didn't, your little sea, And I'm like, I didn't 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.800 take nothing. I wouldn't have had the courage to do that, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.240 you know. She says, Oh, cut your fingers off if 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.079 you did, you know, And I'd like and anyways, she 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.920 picks up a carving knife and just goes, whush, strows 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.280 it at me. I like, literally moves from a big 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.959 sharp carving knife. And then this other girl comes to 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.400 the door and she goes, help me get this little 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.040 prick in the bathroom, and then they're dragging me down 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.959 to the bathroom and she literally holds me over like 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:49.800 you can see the scars on my finger. She literally 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.839 holds my fingers over the edge of this scene and 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.520 she puts the knife against it and just pushes. And 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.400 she didn't really cat she just push it and just 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.720 set it straight into some of my fingers and then bang. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.920 I just dropped to the floor. And it was the 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.040 first time, like that was a whole new level of 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.559 violence that I had experienced. I've been hit, punch, kick, 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:06.079 you name it. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.160 This is with a weapon. This is a very control 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.800 drag you in through the bathroom. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.040 And the friend that yeah, I can still can't believe 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.079 that she held How are we talking? Well, she am, 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.200 I I'm so nine. I'm nine years old when this happened. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.960 And the young girl she's only fifteen. So I've only 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.200 just found out that my mother had a relationship with 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.560 this young girl, right, so that you know, she's kind 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.720 of a victim too, if that kind of makes sense. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.840 But when the path that angers me about it the 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.760 most is when they took me to the hospital. I've 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.520 got a doctor on this side sitching my finger up. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.360 I've got a lady on this side. I've got carpet 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.920 boon all over me from being dragged on the carpet. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.480 She's dabbing and tapping me and stuff. And then the 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.480 doctor says to him, and what happened to this little boy? 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.880 She's screaming her head off and then bang, both silent. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.440 Not another word said people. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.200 Yeah, and we're going back a long long time, and 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.320 the world was a different place. But that's where we 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.960 failed the kids, wasn't Yeah, a doctor, and it's probably 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.000 easier just to say nothing, say nothing and turn a 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.600 blind eye to it. And I think it's because it's 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.640 so confronting to people, and I get that, yeah, but 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:14.440 it's no excuse. I honestly I've mentioned I don't know 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.440 your thoughts on it, but I think we should go 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.280 after people that know. Too often i've heard kids being 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.440 sexually assaulted and it's not just the predator that's doing 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.880 the sexual assault. Other people knew about it. And I 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.200 think we need to make a law on that that 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.760 you can be an accessory to murder, you can aid 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.480 in a bet, that type of thing. I think if 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.840 you know that a child's been sexually abused, not just 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.640 like teachers or the rules of the board. In now, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.040 I think there's an onus on everyone and if you 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.840 turn a blind eye to it, you should be potentially 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:50.600 held responsible for that. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.840 One of the things that I've always maintained and I'll 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.200 save until the day I die. I hold more anger. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.320 And you're here as my story goes, those who are 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.240 complicit in you and did nothing than those who actually 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.400 abuse me. Those who abuse me, I can put that 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.000 in a box. I can get that. But the ones 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.880 that know and stand by and do nothing at all, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.040 I can't fathom that. As a father, as a man, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.320 as a human. You know, if I see something wrong, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.440 I step in. I step in, you know, And I 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.200 just can't understand how people through my story and as 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.320 you're here, as we go along, there are so many 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.400 of them, and people in positions of absolute power who 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.360 could have done something. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.360 Yeah, there's no excuse that they all need to take 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.600 a long, hard look at themselves. And I've stepped in 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.520 on things whilst in the cops and even rolls outside 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.920 the cops. And it doesn't make you popular, and it's 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.440 ugly and it's messy, but it's the right thing to do. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:41.360 Yeah, that's right. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.120 And I'm sick of people saying, oh, well, it wasn't 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.760 our business, and it's everyone's business to protect. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.480 Kids, absolutely every single person's responsibility. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.160 So the family friend, when you were first sexually assaulted, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.440 what was the dynamics there? How did they ovocate what happened? 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.760 Just after the severing of the fingers? He comes over 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:03.200 to visit. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:04.720 And so one of the things my mother was doing 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.040 was giving me sleeping pills to sleep all the time, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.720 because apparently it was hyperactive. That's what it says in 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.160 my dog's files. So you're giving me these sleeping pills, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.199 and one night, I'm asleep in my bed and all 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.760 of a sudden, I wake up and I'm being sexually 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.160 abused from behind. And when I wake up, grabs my face, 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.480 puts his hand around my mouth and just goes really 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.959 hard and then lets me go. And like I'm nine 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.960 years old, I don't even know what's happening or what's 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.440 happened to me. I just know that I'm in a 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.800 lot of pain, and there's a lot of gray stuff 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.480 going on from that, you know, including bleeding, you know it. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.320 And I remember sitting on my bed, rocking back and forth, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.440 like trying to process what's just happened to me. And 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.080 I remember walking across to the bathroom and seeing my mother, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.600 you know, on the n like the noses on the 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.800 blink and and he's taken advantage of that moment and 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.440 bang come into my room and done what he's done. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.240 And it was like I had that happen at the 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.800 Saint just lot long after my fingers had just been severed. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.280 So that's two serious things that have happened, you know. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:58.840 And it was like. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.679