1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Small businesses now. They are the backbone of our country 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: and I know firsthand how tough it is, long hours, 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: constant hurdles, and too often feeling like you're in it alone. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: And what I keep hearing from you is that small 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: business owners don't feel heard. My team and I are 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: paying close attention to our small business community and the 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: feedback that comes to us through the Mental podcast. Now, 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: one thing is clear. You want to hear from more 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: businesses beyond Sydney, from across the country, and especially those 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: that are doing it tough. That's why my team and 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: I are launching the Small Business call Out. The Small 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: Business call Out, which will be under the Mentor channel, 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: will talk to business owners all over the country every 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: single week, no matter where you are. We want to 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: hear from you. What's working, what's not working, What do 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: you need from the government to actually succeed? What are 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: the things can you enlighten us about what it's like 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: being in the small business community. This is your chair 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: has to make your voice count. We want to hear 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: from all industries, from those struggling, from those who feel overlooked, 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: or those who have something to say but haven't had 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: the platform to say it. I'm going to continue hosting 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: the Mental podcast, but the Small Business call Out will 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: be uploaded between episodes. So let's get into this week's 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: edition of the new Small Business call Out. What is 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: the name of your business? 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's Sambo Patrick and I operate under the 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: brand name Sambo Patrick. 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: And in simple terms, what does your business do? 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, In the most simple terms, my business has been 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: around helping people understand their health and more importantly the 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: hormone So it's kind of a niche in that way. 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: And what inspires you to start your business. 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: I've been in health for thirty plus years and what 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: I found is there's a massive gap and what people 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: understand about their health. We're very good at managing disease, 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of focus medically in Australia 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: on helping people get off the cliff unravel the disease 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: from that perspective, but then when it comes to the 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: gaps and hormones and health, there's a huge caveat where 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: people really don't understand what's going on. 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: Inside their bodies. 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: I've really niche down into that space, the hormone side 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: of things, and after twenty two years of doing this. 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,279 Speaker 3: I have waxed in and out from helping women. 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Through fertility issues, PCO and demetriosis, becoming a specialist in 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: that space probably for the last eight years in menopause, 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: and now I'm moving back in and rebranding back into 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: male health and executive health. 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: And there's quite a few reasons for that. 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: But now my focus is definitely on the executive male 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: who's hit forty five, who might be exercising, might not 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: be exercising enough or doing the right types of exercise, 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: who is at risk of burnout running a small business 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: or a big operation, and needs to know, like there's 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: so much information guys need to know. 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: They need to know the testosterone levels are doing. They 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: need to know very importantly what their estrogen levels are. 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: Doing, their stress, cortisol, DHA, and other factors that we 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: can measure in their body, because that is where, you know, 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: I think that's where the strengths and business lie. Is 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: a treat this is my It's okay to ramble like 63 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: this good because I'm good at rambling. What I find 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: is with that gap of knowledge is people can't improve 65 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: on what they don't know. And you know, the beginning 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: of the year or different junctions throughout the people might 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: do a swat analysis on how they're going their strengths, 68 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: their weaknesses, their oppert unity threats in business and as 69 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: a business owner, I look at my P and L 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: regularly every month. I'm looking at my numbers, but we 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: don't often translate the same science or objectivity over to 72 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 2: our health. And we've all got currencies. We've got energy flow, 73 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: focus flow, there's different currencies. It's not all just cash flow. 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: And if we're not doing a swat analysis on that, 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: where sometimes just two weeks away from being burnt out. 76 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: So I think as a small business owner, you know 77 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: the strengths, weaknesses. 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: Opportunity threats. 79 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: Health has to be a strength and if the health 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: is a threat, that needs to be moved to another quadrant. 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: If it's a weakness, it needs to be moved to 82 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: the opposite quadrants as well. It needs to become an 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: opportunity because and a strength for people. 84 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: Because without health, which. 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: Is the hidden asset of running your own business, then 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: you're not making good decisions, You're not operating from a 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: position the power. You're being dragged through the business going 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: day to day. And anyone who's in small business and 89 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: all listen to this will know how exhausting that is. 90 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: And it doesn't just leave. 91 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of us don't leave our businesses 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: internal key and leave it. 93 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: It's in our bodies and our minds all the time. 94 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: But if we're not I guess managing that, and it 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: will spill over into our relationships, It will spill over 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 3: into how we experience the world. 97 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: It definitely spills over into preventedive diseases such as heart issues, stroke, 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. 99 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: So I've really enjoyed. 100 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: Helping people break down what happens in their body from 101 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: a hormone perspective and how, really importantly, how they can 102 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: strengthen it and so that becomes their hit an asset 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 2: in business. 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Where was your business founded and where is it located? 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it started on the Gold Coast. 106 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: So I moved up there in the nineties and fell 107 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: in love with the lifestyle up there at an office. 108 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: It very I guess it's morphed over the years. 109 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: So I went online probably about twenty sixteen, and that 110 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: enabled me to do my consultations from anywhere in the world. 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: Or you know, I've raised three children on my own, 112 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: so having that flexibility is being invaluable. 113 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: Now I've moved back. I've moved down to Sydney. 114 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: I actually had a couple of years here in the 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: nineties and so now I'm back down in Sydney. And yeah, 116 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: it's a global business though. 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: I can. 118 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Interesting when I look at my numbers of my clients, 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: at least forty percent, sometimes half of them are in 120 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: rural areas and they can't get access to city driven businesses. 121 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: So they really appreciate being able to be on zoom, 122 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: having me on text or email. 123 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: It gives them a lot of support. 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, demographics not so important nowadays, which is cool. 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: How is your business is doing right now? 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in business for twenty two years and 127 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: I try and be really philosophical about the different phases 128 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: your business can go through. And this is an analogy 129 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: that works for me. I see myself as almost a farmer, 130 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: and I've got crops. Got to put the seeds in, 131 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: got to wait for the seeds to grow, and help 132 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: the seeds grow, and then I. 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: Can take the harvest. 134 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: And late last year I felt I'd contributed a lot 135 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: for the menopausal woman. You know, I guess as a 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: business I've gone through menopause eight years ago. 137 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: And it was relevant. 138 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: You're really relevant that women had a lot more information, 139 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: you know. Through the podcasts and books and things that 140 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: I've written, I feel I've offered that sector quite a lot. 141 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: But I decided last. 142 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Year, for my own growth and interest in business, that 143 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: I would branch into men's health, and that's always been 144 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: a passion. I was a primary care trained nurse, so 145 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: I specialized in heart attacks and heart diseases a nurse, 146 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: and certainly I've done CPR and multiple patients in hospital. 147 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: So now I've leaned back into that. 148 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: So I'm at a planting the seed phase again, i'd say, 149 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: and the return of investment will come. I think if 150 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: I could say that a part of the skill set 151 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: of being in business is predicting change and not waiting 152 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: to for everything to change around you before you kind 153 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: of go, oh, I've missed the boat a bit, and 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: you've got to stay current, You've got to stay on 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: top of things. And I know moving into men's health 156 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: now is the right time for me as a business, 157 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: but also there's so many men that need help at 158 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: the moment, not just in small business but in corporate 159 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: executive positions who are struggling with weight or struggling to 160 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: bring it all together. So I would say the business 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: is going through not a renaissance, but a shift in direction. 162 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: The cash flow isn't as strong as I'm used to, 163 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: so that's been a bit of a shock because you know, 164 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: it's usually flown really easily, but the cash flow is 165 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: still pendent on may consulting. I haven't set up turn 166 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: key products like some businesses that make money in their 167 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: sleep at my peril, but those are things I'm addressing 168 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: and also looking at now. 169 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: What challenges have you faced as a small business owner 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: and how do they impact your business? And how did 171 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: you overcome them? Did they affect your family members, did 172 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: they affect your relationships? How did you solve them? 173 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, anyone who's been in business longer than a 174 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: year and tells you they haven't had challenges. I don't 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: think it's in business like. 176 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: It just comes with the area, which makes it exciting 177 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: but also stressful, and it certainly grows you as a 178 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: business and an individual. Possibly the biggest challenges I've had 179 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: have been a single woman, a single parent, raising three 180 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: kids and managing the energy flow to give to my kids, 181 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: but also being for them after school, making sure the 182 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: business because the business is like a little baby as well, 183 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: you know, has certain needs and sometimes those needs have 184 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: to come ahead of your needs. And I personally have 185 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: struggled with burnout over the years. You know that there's 186 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: many reasons why people burn out. They might have they 187 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: might be overworking, they might be not switching the stress 188 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: switch off at night effectively. The people who work from home, well, no, 189 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: this only too well, it's really difficult to see the 190 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: delineation between work life and home life because there isn't 191 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: a car drive between leaving work and coming into the home, 192 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: and often we leave the file or the brain ticking 193 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: over in the workspace, whereas we've just crossed the threshold 194 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: into home and we've missed that opportunity to switch it down, 195 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: and that delineation between my gosh, I've got to work now, 196 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: or I had these KPIs on myself, I had you know, 197 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: this time frame that I put in to complete this 198 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: task and I haven't achieved it, and suddenly you find 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to achieve it, or I had this unrealistic 200 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: expectation of myself or the energy when I put that 201 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: plan together was super high. 202 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: But the realities of life is that we often overestimate 203 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: what we're able to do, and then. 204 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: When psychologically you don't achieve it, you start feeling like 205 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: a flop or a failure. And that's the stuff that 206 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: really starts to decay in your life. Like, you know, 207 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: you start going on, if I'm not able to do that, 208 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: then I'm also a bit of a fail. 209 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: Oh let's see if we've. 210 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: Got evidence in this arena, and next thing, you're validating 211 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: that you're not wealthy and not healthy, not anything, And 212 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: it can come crushing down and there's. 213 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: Shades of burnout. 214 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just tired and wide and I can't 215 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: switch off to my god, I need to actually pull back. 216 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: You know. 217 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: It's like we're driving along a really rocky, edgy cliff 218 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: face sometimes particularly in business, between falling off the edge 219 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: down into the gutter or feeling like we're a really 220 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: great driver, and if we're distracted, if we're not doing 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: on the mindset the relaxation really well, eating really well, 222 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: and we bring our eyes off the road for a 223 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: little minute, there might be a sign that says, hey, warning, 224 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: you're about to fall off the cliff. And because we're 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: not paying attention to the cues, we'll go around the 226 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: next bend and then before you know, it's like, oh 227 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: my god, I'm off the edge and I didn't see 228 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: that coming. And what I've seen is that people will 229 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: push through past those signs. And those signs can be subtle. 230 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: They can be poor sleep, going to bed and just 231 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: finding that your legs are jerking around or your mind's 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: jerking around and you can't bring that down to a 233 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: switch off position. It might be anger and reatability, so 234 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: a little bit snitchy, or you know, someone's really driving 235 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: your nuts to overreacting. 236 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: And yelling at people. 237 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: And usually the ones that wear that are the ones 238 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: that we love the most. So as a parent, it 239 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: might be a hyperreactivity to a little thing that kit 240 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: Old has done to just bringing the house down with 241 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: And you know, because we've got ourselves into such a 242 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: position of low energy, we're not fueled up on I guess, calm, calmness. 243 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: So it's like, my god, I had one nerve left 244 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: and you just trod on it. And rather than everyone 245 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: else proceeding who got me to that point, including myself, 246 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to. 247 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: Rip it out on you. So Burnout. 248 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: One of the books that I've written, so I've got 249 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: eight published books in the health space, particularly around hormones, 250 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: was on Burnout, And a lot of it, you know, 251 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: is written from the science backed information and what I've 252 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: seen work, but also from a personal perspective, because you know, 253 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: there's no sick lea, there's no Matt leave, Pat leave, 254 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to work the next month, and you'll 255 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: leave per se and that I have certainly found to 256 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: be one of the biggest challenges over the time as 257 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: apparent as a as a business owner. What I have 258 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: done to mitigate that is I spend a lot of 259 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: money and time and thought around mindset and my own 260 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: health because I've found that, you know. 261 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: If I'm preaching the goods, I've got to also do 262 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: the goods and the talk. 263 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: But more importantly, I know when I'm coming from a 264 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: place of being well rested, eating really well, exercising really well, 265 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: it makes a massive difference to my deliverables and how 266 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: I perform for my clients, which ultimately is what I 267 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: want to be the best practitioner for my clients. I 268 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: take the job very seriously. The other I mean, there's 269 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: quite a few challenges. But one of the other ones 270 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: that has been big over the last twenty odd years 271 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: is being in an industry. So you know, my background 272 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: is nursing and I was in pharmaceuticals for nine years, 273 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: but for the last tweent two years I've been a 274 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: professional nutritionist, natural path and wellness coach. 275 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: Now that lane is not really. 276 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: Supported or recognized in Australia and I have found that 277 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: a real difficult thing. 278 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: I've tried to various times. 279 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: I've tried to change the status quo of what I 280 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: think are the best people equipped in this country to 281 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: help people with wellness and preventedive health, and that's natural paths, nutritionous, 282 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: personal trainers, wellness coach, food coaches, but they're not recognized 283 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: in the current system we have, which is free health, 284 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: which is medicare. 285 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: People outside of that. 286 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: Have to not hustle, but they have to be very 287 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: good at what they do. They have to have a 288 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: very good word of mouth referral database. All they have 289 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: to have incredible backer that pushes them through because if 290 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: they're not good, they're out of business, and because they're 291 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: not subsidized by the government, so they have to be 292 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: very good at what they deliver and have raiving fans 293 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: and excellent results. 294 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: Otherwise there is no business for them. 295 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: So you know, that's something I've been really mindful of 296 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: over the years, is how to support myself in that lane, 297 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: but also how to I guess, get authority like I've 298 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: been really you know, part of writing those books and 299 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: being on TV was to say, actually, there is a 300 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: lot of science behind preventative medicine and this is what 301 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: I know. You know, I'm not just a pop up 302 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: done a little course on the back of a serial 303 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: packet professional. I've got the qualifications to help people with this, 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: and getting that recognition has been a challenge, but certainly 305 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: I've stepped out of that and gone, okay, well i'll 306 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: just read the authority, I'll just write some books, I'll 307 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: get the results on the board and then it's irrefutable. 308 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: So that's something if anyone's listening to this and they're 309 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: in the wellness space, they could consider too, because getting 310 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: respect from the health industry on a big mass is 311 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: really challenging in Australia. But you know, as I said, 312 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: majority of people getting results and health, reversing obesity, helping 313 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: people with mindset, improving their lives are actually that unsupported lane. 314 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: They're not covered by any other subsidy that they're the 315 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: ones who are really getting the results on the board. 316 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: How confident are you in Australian government's ability to support 317 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: small businesses effectively? If you'd advise Australian government on one 318 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: action to take to better support small businesses, what would 319 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: it be? 320 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: Yes, the. 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: You know, there's many ways the government can support small 322 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: business and one that I would or maybe a couple 323 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: of suggestions would be, you know, burnout and stress and 324 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: mental health higher agendas for the government to resolve in 325 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: public sectors. 326 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: Well, guess what it certainly is in small business as well. 327 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: So maybe one recognizing that acknowledging that small business mentally 328 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: and doing it tough physically. Burnout is high. So stress 329 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: is that insidious that we're always flirting with and as 330 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: always part of our life, and it can be very motivational, 331 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: like getting off the couch or getting out of bed 332 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: is often prompted by a stress response. Interesting, in the body, 333 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: there are only two states. There's stressed or not stressed. 334 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 2: Or medically that's called the sympathetic nervous system or the 335 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: parasympathetic there's only two switches. Our body is hardwired to 336 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: flip into that stress state. That's our survival state, and 337 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: business certainly will flick that on. You know, it can 338 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: be very motivational. It can get us to a point 339 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: where we're thinking clearer about the information in front of us. 340 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: But where it becomes really negative is when we don't 341 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: switch it off. So if it's wedged on all the time, 342 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: it has a negative effect, and the negative effect is distraction, 343 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: like people will be absent even. 344 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: Though they're present. 345 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: You know, that present tee is a long term over 346 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: the heart. It will increase blood pressure. Wen it's the 347 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: leading cause of hypertension, which is the leading cause of stroke. 348 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: It can wear the heart out, so heart failure, and 349 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: we see these issues in pretty young men. You know, 350 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: forty five year old male is considered high risk for 351 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: a lot of these cardiac issues. Certainly, cholesterol production is 352 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: prompted by a hormone called cortisol, So we release cortisol 353 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: when we're in the stress state, so we're telling our 354 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: body to make more cholesterol. So that's another negative of 355 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: flipping and staying up in that stress state. 356 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: So I would like to see more preventative interventions going 357 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: into small business. 358 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: Now, whether that looks as a tax rebate or an 359 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: itemized number that all small businesses at a certain level 360 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: can claim up to a certain amount to go into 361 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: self care. So we're not feeling that it's coming off 362 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: our profit margin, but it's actually part of how we 363 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: roll out our business. Just like I'm expected to return 364 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: bast statements each year, well that's at a cost. So 365 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: maybe if I'm expected also to put some money into 366 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: my health, then it becomes suddenly not a negotiable or 367 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: not becomes an obligation and not so we're punished for it. 368 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: But so it's an opportunity for us to look after 369 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: our health. I think that would go a long way. 370 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: How that looks rolling it out for the nation, I'm 371 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: not too sure. 372 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 2: I think tax incentives or a special budget or fund 373 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: that is for small business owners declared you know under 374 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: maybe under three hundred four hundred k each year, whatever 375 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: the Actually I'm not too I'm not across the actual 376 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: statistics of what burnout are at different level points, whether 377 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: it's you know the zero the self employed through to 378 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: ten staff at the highest risk, or the zero to 379 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: twenty staff. But you know, small to medium businesses across 380 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: the board needs something in the health space. 381 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: That's for sure. 382 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: Was the most rewarding part of being a small business owner. 383 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: This makes me smile. I actually love it. 384 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: When I was nursing, I was even prior to nursing, 385 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: I played sport at an elite level, but went into 386 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: nursing so I wanted to help people. 387 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: I just genuinely wanted to improve people's health. 388 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: And then I went into pharmaceuticals because I thought that 389 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: would give me more tools or access to the people 390 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: who could impact on health, not realizing it was all 391 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: drugs and surgical interventions. 392 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: Really, at the. 393 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: End of the day, the preventative side of it, improving 394 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: lives is what I absolutely adore, and in order to 395 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: bring my ideas or my message to life, that the 396 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: best way for me to do that is to be 397 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: autonomous in business because I just feel my impact by 398 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: being in a small business as part of and not 399 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: part of an organization with bureaucracy and having to prove 400 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: the la la gives me more scope and more ability 401 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: to impact on people. 402 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, I will. 403 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: Probably continue this till cut it out of the planet 404 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: because there's nothing greater than people sending emails or text going. 405 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: You know, last year you said this little thing and 406 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: I did it, and it's just changed my whole life. 407 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing for me more rewarding than being 408 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: able to help people and see them flourish or go 409 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: from burnt out to thriving, or being able to have 410 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: children when they couldn't have children, when it often just 411 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: comes down to a couple of little tweaks with the 412 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: hormones and if they go. 413 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's just totally rewarding. 414 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: And I believe the structure for me to do that 415 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: is being a small business. 416 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: So I'll stay that way. 417 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: And I can't imagine it this far into my career 418 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: path that I could ever work. 419 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: For anyone else again. 420 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, I probably made myself quite unemployable. 421 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: What is the one thing you wish more people knew 422 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: about your business? Where can people find you and your business? 423 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Let us know? 424 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: You know, I'm very passionate about helping men understand their 425 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: health and also women. At the moment, there's a lot 426 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: of content people can access from me through podcast. 427 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: So I have a podcast. Got two. One's called Hot 428 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: Into Help. 429 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: And the other one is hormones with Sam and I'm 430 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: bringing out a series specifically for men about men's health, 431 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: men's resilience, testosterone, what it means in the workplace from 432 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: some incredible Australian icons as well, which I think will 433 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: be fantastic listening, apart from obviously listening to Matt's podcast. 434 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: My website is the hub for everything that I offer 435 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: am I offering. So that's my name, Sam Sambo b 436 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: e Aupatrick Just dot com, so Sambopatrick dot com. Everything's there, 437 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: upcoming events, programs, it's all listed there. In terms of 438 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: socials I am on Instagram, I always feel a bit 439 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: of a flop bow because I don't know, I don't 440 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: have millions of followers, which I would have loved just 441 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 2: to be able to help people navigate health and be 442 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: inspired in this space. But it's Sambo Patrick Official Underscore 443 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: on Insta and my Facebook has a lot more people. 444 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: It's Sambo Patrick the Health Queen. 445 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: And if I can help people at any point, just 446 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: reach out through my website, set up a complementary session, 447 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: or purchase one of the programs however you feel you 448 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: need me in your life. In that regard to the website, 449 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: Styill the place to do that. So yeah and yeah, 450 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: thank you for this great opportunity. 451 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. 452 00:24:45,080 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 4: I really have enjoyed it. 453 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do Do Do