Speaker 1: Back game in the MCG where we beat Nolbur. That
Speaker 1: is the most phenomenal fifteen minutes I've ever had in
Speaker 1: mind life. Really, it was extraordinary walking off that ground,
Speaker 1: walking to Bossy and we're walking the crowd exhilaration. Yeah, extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Never felt anything like that at Hawthorne.
Speaker 2: I'm John Ralph and I'm Glenn McFarlane.
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Speaker 5: Today defeated by the Blues. The second part of our
Speaker 5: chat with Andrew Russell. Players, yes, coaches definitely, but recruiting
Speaker 5: new high performance managers wouldn't usually get the fans excited.
Speaker 5: And yet when Andrew Russell made the shift from a
Speaker 5: four premiership winning stint at Hawthorne to Carlton, it was
Speaker 5: seen as joining the missing link holding the Blues back.
Speaker 5: So why five years later did the twenty six year
Speaker 5: AFL industry career of Andrew Russell and in disappointment?
Speaker 2: What happened? And how does Russell feel about his time
Speaker 2: and the Blues.
Speaker 6: Now, how did you get to Calton Paine Little brad Lloyd's.
Speaker 6: So it came out of nowhere, you know. I felt
Speaker 6: like the edge had gone out of Hawthorne. Felt like the.
Speaker 1: Players weren't you know, they weren't as in it as
Speaker 1: they were because they were very in it.
Speaker 6: I just felt like my time was up. And you said,
Speaker 6: of know, when you don't have the performance anymore, you know,
Speaker 6: and you need to know.
Speaker 1: So for me, I was just like, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: have a look at a at a different environment. So
Speaker 1: I walking to Carlton that's a different environment.
Speaker 2: How different was it?
Speaker 6: No? It's completely no, completely different, Yeah, no, it was
Speaker 6: completely different. It was it was it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the club was the club looked
Speaker 1: like it was being run well, you know, it looked
Speaker 1: like they had their finances in order and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But you know, you're walking to a
Speaker 1: club with high talent that are losing and that had
Speaker 1: an impact on them, you know, like these guys learned
Speaker 1: how to lose.
Speaker 2: Can you have that culture? You've seen it before?
Speaker 4: Me, I don't understand that.
Speaker 6: Well they so you lose a lot used to losing,
Speaker 6: you feel comfortable with losing you you know, it's like
Speaker 6: that's how the mind works.
Speaker 1: You become very comfortable in the space that you're in
Speaker 1: and so it's almost like you expect it. And so
Speaker 1: there was a behavi as soon one as it did.
Speaker 1: It was just like wow, you know, there was a
Speaker 1: bit of work to my first day, a Saturday morning
Speaker 1: training session.
Speaker 6: I think six or seven players up late. It was
Speaker 6: just like, you know, I mean, what are you Is
Speaker 6: this the starting point? That's culture the lack of it.
Speaker 1: There was probably seven players that I had no idea
Speaker 1: whether I'm going to be able to train from one
Speaker 1: day the next I'd rock up and think, I have
Speaker 1: no idea whether you can actually be out there not,
Speaker 1: you know, because you get to know their partners like
Speaker 1: one day they can, the next day they can't, then
Speaker 1: they can't, then they can too sore or whatever.
Speaker 6: Whatever.
Speaker 1: So there was I felt it was. It was really challenging.
Speaker 1: It was really hard, and I had gone from a
Speaker 1: group is really tight group who wanted everything, and you know,
Speaker 1: the people around me were outstanding in Andrew Lambert and
Speaker 1: DC and medically and conditioning, and we were tired and
Speaker 1: we were prepared to go wherever we needed to go.
Speaker 1: So I came in with that same approach like whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is a bit geez, that's a bit infronting. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what's confronting about it. This is a high performance.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But so what happened with is then and then the club.
Speaker 1: The thing the club, they serviced everyone outside of the
Speaker 1: club because they were losing, So players are going here there,
Speaker 1: and stuff were goings and and it was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: we never did any of it at Hawthorne.
Speaker 4: Terms of county members and outside.
Speaker 1: Influence, outside influence and all lots of stuff. And on
Speaker 1: the whole they are extremely supportive. There were there were
Speaker 1: elements that were challenging within that, but on the whole
Speaker 1: really really supportive. But it felt like a different you know,
Speaker 1: it just feels different. It felt different. You go back
Speaker 1: to Hawthorne and it feels like family.
Speaker 6: You go to and it does feel like business. But
Speaker 6: in all honesty, that should have.
Speaker 1: Not a huge effect on the football team because you
Speaker 1: surround yourself with a group of people and it's that
Speaker 1: group of people that have the direct influence.
Speaker 6: That outer layer.
Speaker 1: Look, it's there, it's part of the culture and that's
Speaker 1: still the challenges is to block it out because on
Speaker 1: the whole.
Speaker 6: Mostly it's supportive and when it's good, it's not just good,
Speaker 6: it is amazing.
Speaker 1: Calvin gave me some of the greatest days of my
Speaker 1: life professionally.
Speaker 6: That that that gave me the mcg where we beat
Speaker 6: beat Melbourne, Melbourne, that is the most phenomenal fifteen minutes
Speaker 6: I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 4: Down final.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: It was extraordinary walking off that ground, walking with Bossy
Speaker 1: and we're walking the crowd exillar extraordinary. Never felt anything
Speaker 1: like that at Hawthorne and even you know, even the
Speaker 1: challenges that I think that's the best period I've ever
Speaker 1: had in the game of wins and losses. Thought equal
Speaker 1: to Port Adelaide and some of the greatest teams have
Speaker 1: worked with. That period of twenty three is almost as
Speaker 1: good a block as I've ever seen or been involved in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was extraordinary. Now we felt like we're under
Speaker 6: pressure the whole time, so we couldn't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was going to say you wouldn't enjoy that place.
Speaker 6: It wasn't enjoyable until the end and then the.
Speaker 1: Prevue final was it was. I mean, it was bizarre
Speaker 1: and it felt like a home game. Yeah and crazy
Speaker 1: You're in Brisbane and the crowd.
Speaker 6: And a fume you were there early.
Speaker 1: Wow, it wasn't that experience at a home game at
Speaker 1: the Gabba.
Speaker 6: And then, you know, I honestly believe that's as that
Speaker 6: is as equal, that is as equal. We gave that
Speaker 6: group as equal opportunity to win as any group I've
Speaker 6: ever worked with, and they didn't take it, and that
Speaker 6: was really disappointing.
Speaker 4: Fitness wise, they had the space and partly because we've
Speaker 4: had some issues during the year that we were fresh.
Speaker 6: So it's just like, oh my god, we're going to
Speaker 6: make the most of this being fresh. We're fresh, We
Speaker 6: were in good shape. But I don't think we dealt
Speaker 6: with the moment well at all.
Speaker 1: In the moment, down by two points at halftime, it
Speaker 1: felt like we were down by ten guys.
Speaker 2: Really you felt that.
Speaker 6: You can feel that. It felt like we were down
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, what is going on here? We are
Speaker 6: in a position to play, you know, and in a
Speaker 6: really good position, and then we actually came back late,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you only didn't get beaten by much in the
Speaker 2: end and then we get.
Speaker 6: Cheered off, like with one phenomenal so that I come
Speaker 6: out of a prelim final. Every prelim final involved in gutted.
Speaker 6: This one was. And I'm thinking, what is what aren't
Speaker 6: they seeing here?
Speaker 1: Is that the crowd is that's a moment, This is
Speaker 1: a moment lost and not many people were saying that
Speaker 1: I was seeing excitement into the future, and I get that, is.
Speaker 4: It been comfortable and mediocrity. Explain explain that phenomena.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's that.
Speaker 1: I just think they'd come from so far and you know,
Speaker 1: and even within the year, it comes from so far
Speaker 1: that everyone's feeling like, wow, that was pretty special and
Speaker 1: it was to you know, to get there, and it
Speaker 1: was like that group did a phenomenal job to get
Speaker 1: to that point, that playing group and the way that
Speaker 1: they played and the hunger they played with, and like
Speaker 1: it was pretty good to watch.
Speaker 6: You go through that period where.
Speaker 1: Six out of seven weeks I think we won by
Speaker 1: sixty points on average, six out of seven after the bye.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a team, Yeah, teens have done that,
Speaker 1: so you know, and then we had you know, while
Speaker 1: she comes back in and he's fresh, so he wins
Speaker 1: a final player series final.
Speaker 6: You know, oh, there was so much it was, it
Speaker 6: was there, you know.
Speaker 5: It was the one that got away in a sense
Speaker 5: that you think you thought that you could have you
Speaker 5: thought you could have Beaten Colling it the next week
Speaker 5: because a very even group.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 6: Like the margins of this.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And in the end the story gets told and
Speaker 1: they're the winners and they're amazing and they're no good
Speaker 1: and whatever.
Speaker 6: But the reality when you're that.
Speaker 1: Close to it is, you know, how how the margins
Speaker 1: of this And we know the moments in games.
Speaker 6: And you know, and I can go back to that
Speaker 6: game and so you know what, there are really big
Speaker 6: moments in games.
Speaker 4: So describe the feelings, Say, for the Hawthorn blokes, should
Speaker 4: be two points down at halftime and like we're about
Speaker 4: to challenge here, and what happened to Carlton for those
Speaker 4: blokes not to seize that moment?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's back to where you know seven and
Speaker 1: Hawthorn was like that and they hadn't been there for
Speaker 1: so long, so they got you know, they were beating
Speaker 1: Adelaide in seven at Marble.
Speaker 6: It's one of the great games that day.
Speaker 4: I was writing in color, and I was thinking, what
Speaker 4: will I write about members of my game?
Speaker 1: That game was phenomenal, and because they hadn't been there
Speaker 1: for so long, had they sort of felt like they
Speaker 1: felt pretty good.
Speaker 6: I didn't have that. It's not like until you're there
Speaker 6: and you're close and you miss. There's not many teams
Speaker 6: that have done that.
Speaker 1: And even Hawthorne really was a very rare example of
Speaker 1: going from the bottom the bottom when we got there
Speaker 1: to the top within four years, that's pretty that's pretty rare.
Speaker 6: Are I should have got to do your time.
Speaker 1: And so I don't feel like it's that much different,
Speaker 1: But the game's harder.
Speaker 5: More even you talk about that level of acceptance of
Speaker 5: when you're coming off, you know, there were people obviously
Speaker 5: half celebrating you're losing your preliminary final. Is that the players?
Speaker 5: Is that the supporters? Is it the administration? I mean
Speaker 5: mainly supporters, Yeah.
Speaker 6: But the club was feeling pretty good about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, you just feel the players
Speaker 1: are disappointed. But I feel like the players, so you know, where,
Speaker 1: this is our time and we'll.
Speaker 6: Go on, you know, we'll go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and that's probably a good.
Speaker 6: Place to be.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been part of groups have been
Speaker 1: absolutely distraught, gutted. You don't want to leave their house,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, after that type of loss.
Speaker 6: And I think that happens though the longer you.
Speaker 1: Go, the more you're involved, and if you miss one
Speaker 1: and then you miss two, and then that's when it
Speaker 1: really really hurts because you.
Speaker 6: Know how much work it takes to get there. It
Speaker 6: takes a lot of work and a lot it's got
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of things that go
Speaker 1: to align.
Speaker 4: So what went wrong in your last year so you
Speaker 4: didn't have full autonomy for the program?
Speaker 6: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well, look pretty simple. There was a leadership structure set up.
Speaker 6: There was a different.
Speaker 1: Leadership structure, and I my position was different to what it.
Speaker 4: Was only in that last year or well it sort
Speaker 4: of evolved to that, you know, I have a last
Speaker 4: two It sort of evolved to that.
Speaker 6: There were lots of views within the fully department.
Speaker 1: You know, the leadership structure was quite flat.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't set it up like that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where I wasn't at my best, and
Speaker 1: you know there was there was you know, after the review,
Speaker 1: the review didn't.
Speaker 6: The review didn't do good things for lots of people
Speaker 6: at the football club. Lots of people went to self
Speaker 6: after that review. Self preservation, self preservation.
Speaker 1: So any time we'll challenge people went to sell from
Speaker 1: that point in time. And then you had a group
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with it. So it was
Speaker 1: quite bizarre, you know, that came in the coaches, coaches
Speaker 1: came in. Everyone else was the same, So I think
Speaker 1: you know that. And so in the end, it's just
Speaker 1: like someone's gonna make the call and and the and
Speaker 1: the responsibility was diffused across across many, many different voices
Speaker 1: about what should have been done.
Speaker 6: And I worked really hard. I worked really.
Speaker 1: Hard to do I did an internal review and everything
Speaker 1: we were doing, and I was robust. I was robust,
Speaker 1: and everyone else I was robust and everything you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, and the long year in the game,
Speaker 1: I tapped into different areas, so I would challenge people
Speaker 1: within around what are we doing with recruiting and what
Speaker 1: are we doing?
Speaker 6: What we're playing? Well, what do we do? You know,
Speaker 6: like this is what I'm saying around I've seen a
Speaker 6: lot and some people didn't enjoy that.
Speaker 4: Some people didn't like too robust with your criticisms, with
Speaker 4: your accountability.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some people didn't.
Speaker 1: Some people didn't enjoy that, and so that's that's fine,
Speaker 1: But that's an environment that you know.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 1: It was, it was the the program was the had
Speaker 1: the least amount of me in it than ever.
Speaker 6: In the last year. And so both you know, I
Speaker 6: was you know, you.
Speaker 1: Told to stay in your lane. The president says, you
Speaker 1: walk off. The grand says Jackie, staying in your lane.
Speaker 1: It's well, guess what, you know, it's almost it's like
Speaker 1: it's like saying to the coach or the coach, but
Speaker 1: you have no control over stoppages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to work on other stuff.
Speaker 6: Stay in your lane, and you can't.
Speaker 1: So for me, and I've been what I have been
Speaker 1: fortunate is that my role, you know, prior and prior
Speaker 1: to that, I was very fortunate that I had people
Speaker 1: back me in and I could go where I needed
Speaker 1: to go within the football program. And that had a
Speaker 1: lot more than just conditioning involved, and that's what it was.
Speaker 6: And people were comfortable with that. People become uncomfortable with that.
Speaker 1: At the time of which we had a few issues
Speaker 1: that were challenging, issues of which you know, They were
Speaker 1: simple as in, as in the guys that didn't hadn't
Speaker 1: done the work, broke down.
Speaker 6: There was nothing complex about this.
Speaker 1: You know, the average percent preseason is a very strong
Speaker 1: relationship between percent preseason and robustness. Of all those guys
Speaker 1: that struggled, the average percent preseason was fifty eight percent
Speaker 1: of that group. So they just they didn't weren't even
Speaker 1: in the program, you know, hardly in the program. So
Speaker 1: it was not complex. Share was probably the challenging one
Speaker 1: because he done what he was the only one outside
Speaker 1: that and you know, and and they've done some great work,
Speaker 1: you know, they've really done. The group there now has
Speaker 1: done some amazing work with error to get him back
Speaker 1: up and running. But you know, so then it became
Speaker 1: pretty much you know, really the Geelong game. We after
Speaker 1: the Geelong game last year, I said every year and
Speaker 1: then after that, you know, I felt that had that
Speaker 1: conversation go with it was fine. You know, look we
Speaker 1: had you know, we got on really well. You know,
Speaker 1: we got really well. But there's getting on really well and.
Speaker 6: Then there's you know, and then there's there there's another level.
Speaker 1: And so for me it's it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a program that is comfortable.
Speaker 6: Doing what it's doing. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: It's not that's you know, I'm pretty comfortable in going
Speaker 1: and doing.
Speaker 6: Something else now.
Speaker 4: So basically, when they got injured, you didn't have any
Speaker 4: responsibility for them.
Speaker 6: Look, you know, I played my role in it. You know,
Speaker 6: I played my role in that, and some guys couldn't
Speaker 6: get the work done. So I'm I'm in that. Don't
Speaker 6: worry about that. Yeah, I'm in that. But it's probably
Speaker 6: more once a get injured, like well, we got this.
Speaker 1: Suggestions you know, weren't too interested in hearing perspective on it.
Speaker 4: The final, Like I said, the final, a lot of
Speaker 4: blokes injured, risks Dougherty, Like Dougherty was a risk. So
Speaker 4: take us through that final given that, I think most
Speaker 4: of us would have felt sick if you'd done it again.
Speaker 6: But you guys felt he was ready. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and so just see to go about even within
Speaker 1: all those challenges, and you know what's I running. I
Speaker 1: believe that we could win it last year, and you
Speaker 1: know what, we got back into that game against Brisbane
Speaker 1: and so we're one game away. And that's that's where
Speaker 1: people don't realize we were one game away.
Speaker 6: Or one quarter away from clicking in the.
Speaker 1: Gear as a group last year, that's and we actually
Speaker 1: did click, but too many guys had missed too much,
Speaker 1: too much connection, lack of belief just because you can't
Speaker 1: do it unless you're doing it. But if that game
Speaker 1: goes differently and we can control the dammage early, I
Speaker 1: still believe that we could do and and people who
Speaker 1: in the game understand that that. That's how fine line is.
Speaker 1: We had fresh guys who'd actually done a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That's why I say it was still robust. So that's
Speaker 1: why I was really I was really disappointed because I
Speaker 1: still felt like we could win it.
Speaker 6: I genuinely believe that I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we would, and I didn't think it was,
Speaker 1: but I thought that, you know, you just do enough and.
Speaker 6: You can get going. And you know that was my belief.
Speaker 4: So Doc, Yeah, just it wasn't it wasn't enough of
Speaker 4: a risk for you guys, well, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 4: too much for ask.
Speaker 6: The player himself. Well, the issue for us was a
Speaker 6: performance issue.
Speaker 1: Can he do what he needs to do under the
Speaker 1: bright lights without being under that pressure?
Speaker 6: That was the physical side is less the game.
Speaker 1: The game is at its slowest at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, so the best time to bring players back
Speaker 1: into play is probably rounds.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 1: That's when everyone's out there fatigued motivations at the lowest
Speaker 1: because you're rather done for the year or you're trying
Speaker 1: to preserve a little bit for finals. It's the game
Speaker 1: is generally not at its highest. So I've always been
Speaker 1: comfortableing blogs back into that's on me. That game is
Speaker 1: an you know that. Yeah, look it was a risk,
Speaker 1: but the player was very robust. He's i meanways done
Speaker 1: his career, how he's dealt with said, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: an extraordinary character, and what and his ability to perform
Speaker 1: in the past. So we go back and say can
Speaker 1: he perform and in the past he's been able to.
Speaker 6: It's like we have a history of him performing physically.
Speaker 1: When you're using great shape, there's got to be a
Speaker 1: little bit of an element of him versus someone else
Speaker 1: from a coaching point of view. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: but obviously they're saying we think unless you you got
Speaker 1: to think we're happy for him to do the job
Speaker 1: than someone else. Otherwise, you know, a plan because it's
Speaker 1: an easy one to leave out. It doesn't matter if Dockety
Speaker 1: wants to play or not, don't want to plane.
Speaker 6: There's that bit in it. And then and now he's
Speaker 6: gone on and planing the year.
Speaker 1: I think you could argue and if you're going to
Speaker 1: win it and you're going to go, well, said have
Speaker 1: got a plane because you got to get him in
Speaker 1: the team.
Speaker 4: He took the risk on Cyril and he's not Cyril.
Speaker 1: But the look, I think it was a I think
Speaker 1: it was a reason we're all on board together.
Speaker 6: Everyone was on the same page. Everyone was in it.
Speaker 1: We outlined it, We outlined it, you know, four months earlier,
Speaker 1: and it basically we just kept he kicked the box,
Speaker 1: which really really closely did a great job with Maddie
Speaker 1: bode To legends, very good at what they do, doing
Speaker 1: great work there now, So brish reward.
Speaker 6: That's what we do.
Speaker 4: If Rob Priestley came to you and said, what's your
Speaker 4: advice on those influencers, which are what board members, cotery groups,
Speaker 4: the money men, how do we separate ourselves from them
Speaker 4: in terms of the football department or the players.
Speaker 6: I don't think you can do much more.
Speaker 1: I think they are reasonably separated I think it's up
Speaker 1: to the individual in the role to deal with it.
Speaker 1: You know, the club I think can possibly play a
Speaker 1: role to protect from how much exposure you have to them.
Speaker 6: As I said, you know, there was lots.
Speaker 1: Of exposure from the Footy department for a long time
Speaker 1: and then it has been pulled back there.
Speaker 6: Look, they've done a lot of work on this. They
Speaker 6: understand it. When you're in it, you.
Speaker 1: Get it, talk about it. So this is the stuff
Speaker 1: that's been talked about a lot. And to be fair
Speaker 1: that that it is what it is. You've got to
Speaker 1: learn to deal with it in all honesty. Don't try
Speaker 1: and control it, don't try and come up with strategies.
Speaker 6: Be strong enough to be strong enough to have to
Speaker 6: deal with it, because guess what the good is great. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you just got to understand the environment you're in
Speaker 6: and working with it.
Speaker 4: Last one from me on Charlie Kenner, the rebuilding of
Speaker 4: Charlie Kener branch of how challenging, how exciting to get
Speaker 4: him right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it was because I mean he had one surgery,
Speaker 1: then he had a different surgery. He went to a
Speaker 1: trauma surgeon who completely changed the surgery and that that
Speaker 1: was the catalyst to change everything because his knee, the
Speaker 1: initial surgery had his.
Speaker 6: Knee just was continually irritated. He just we just couldn't
Speaker 6: send his.
Speaker 1: Knee down, and so we couldn't train him, we couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything, couldn't do his strength work. It was just
Speaker 1: like chronically irritated. Then had a different procedure trauma surgeon
Speaker 1: and that changed his world. So and then we could
Speaker 1: actually recondition him. So then it became you know, and
Speaker 1: because it's a joint injury, very similar to sang Brian
Speaker 1: lakes your spend time, do the strength work. Built him
Speaker 1: up slowly. Charlie's a very hard worker. He loves training hard, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like he loves the work.
Speaker 1: Charlie loves them so and to be and we got
Speaker 1: him back to you know, he did eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the preseason, He did eighty five percent of like coming
Speaker 1: backs of Good Lives. It wasn't that we got him
Speaker 1: back to fifty sixty percent. He got back to doing
Speaker 1: more than Shaun did. But he's like anyone, he's a
Speaker 1: confidence he you know, like the best in the game
Speaker 1: require confidence from.
Speaker 6: Doing the work. And we had three years where he
Speaker 6: got the working and and therefore you see a result
Speaker 6: because he trained, He trained consistently, he got confidence in
Speaker 6: his body, he jumped. You know, when he's jumping, he's
Speaker 6: feeling good. He's not jumping, he's not feeling good. Pretty
Speaker 6: simple with Charlie.
Speaker 4: What's happening right now?
Speaker 6: So then you know, then he doesn't do much for
Speaker 6: a preseason this year, so.
Speaker 2: You know there's no mystery, no, and.
Speaker 6: That's not his fault.
Speaker 1: It's just that he has two or three surgery of
Speaker 1: whatever you had. I don't even know the detail, but
Speaker 1: I know the ankle and then whatever you know there
Speaker 1: you can only do what you can only do. And
Speaker 1: so I think he missed a fair.
Speaker 5: Bit the last one from me. Two years ago you
Speaker 5: thought this could potentially win a premiership. Even last year
Speaker 5: you had that thoughts in your mind.
Speaker 6: What did you have those thoughts in your mind?
Speaker 5: I was being a calling with supporter. I think it's
Speaker 5: going to be a colling with Carton Grand Fine it
Speaker 5: would have been massive.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that everyone if you had at moments
Speaker 1: over the last two years you said why.
Speaker 5: Not yeah, and even said why not yeah absolutely, and
Speaker 5: even last year had those feelings that there, what what's
Speaker 5: this group still got capable of doing Do you think
Speaker 5: it hasn't worked out this year?
Speaker 2: Are they still capable of doing something?
Speaker 1: Do you think, well, of course they're still capable, you know,
Speaker 1: but I think I think you don't need to change
Speaker 1: a light for things to change dramatically. And I'm probably
Speaker 1: main personnel number one.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: So you know, you put a different midfielder in there,
Speaker 1: speeding power, you put a different one food of the
Speaker 1: ball speeding power, and you put a runner behind the ball,
Speaker 1: and you're a different team. That's that's the reality because
Speaker 1: you look back to where they were in twenty three.
Speaker 1: You look at that, Yeah, whilst he's playing in the middle,
Speaker 1: dynamic midfield, March Bank smart player down back can run
Speaker 1: hard Jack Martin forward dynamic smart.
Speaker 6: So you got three places like so.
Speaker 1: This is this is where people think, you know, they
Speaker 1: make dramatic.
Speaker 4: Statements on the list, but what they've got to be
Speaker 4: is they've got to be really smart.
Speaker 1: They've got to know who they're going after, they've got
Speaker 1: to know which holes they really want to hit, and
Speaker 1: then you.
Speaker 2: Get it right your pop.
Speaker 6: I mean, history shows.
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