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Speaker 2: Good mining, Good morning, Matthew, and you listener. Thanks having

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Speaker 1: You've highlighted a lot of issues on all public transport

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Look, this seems to be happening more and more and

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Speaker 2: it's just simply not good enough. That's why we FOI

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Speaker 2: seeing it through social media and the media, but now

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Speaker 2: It's far too slow. The data is now shown that

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we need to do in terms of

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Speaker 2: I think talk about buses as well as trains here.

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Speaker 2: We're just shining a light on this issue. It's not

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Speaker 1: What's the greatest defense in the figures that you've got

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Speaker 1: And I see lots of reports of disorderly behavior where

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Speaker 2: That's why we're calling for more resources to be allocated

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Speaker 3: Minister, Good morning, morning, few morning from Sotasia.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there so reports. As he said,

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Speaker 1: for December eight staff as soulded on buses almost two

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Speaker 3: Fucking you give you some context here, Matthew, my friend

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Speaker 1: QR things a great initiative, no doubt about that. But

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Speaker 3: People we're on trains and they see someone graffiti, they

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Speaker 3: I really like Vincent, but I think this is all

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Speaker 3: But again you're going to remember these trains are run

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Speaker 3: get on our II can our artificial intelligence can probably

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Speaker 3: then an offense. So these things cascade. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: it's impractical to have people standing with a sort of

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Speaker 3: a clipboard with photographs everyone who's barred and say sorry,

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Speaker 3: you can't get on the train because you've caused an

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Speaker 3: offense previously. But what we can do is check our

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Speaker 3: CCTV and if we catch someone on our trains who's

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Speaker 3: been barred, they can be charged. So that's that's the

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Speaker 3: way we're going about this. So it's a systematic war

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Speaker 3: thought through plan to make our buses, trains and trams safer,

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Speaker 3: improve the amenity of them, had them government run and

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Speaker 3: had the frequency increase so you can get people off

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Speaker 3: our roads and onto our public transport system.

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Speaker 1: Got someone here saying that QR. By the time you

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Speaker 1: log into a QR and report that the perpetrators gone,

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Speaker 1: then you rely on TV, I suppose, but that's okay.

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Speaker 3: What we want to know is the bus you're on,

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Speaker 3: the time it happened, right, if it's regular, well do

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Speaker 3: other people would reported it as well? And there's a

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Speaker 3: patternent involved, So then we'll put someone on that bus,

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Speaker 3: that perpetrainer, we'll catch them, we'll bar them, we'll make

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Speaker 3: sure they're prosecuted. So it's okay, take it off. We

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Speaker 3: don't want our patrons to intervene. We don't want people

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Speaker 3: is to quiet this game with QR code and make

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Speaker 3: a report. And that's why these numbers are up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tom kutzantanis thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Transport Minister on public transport troubles. The opposition

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Speaker 1: releasing freedom of information data showing a lot of assaults.

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Speaker 1: And there was one incident on Saturday night, just the

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Speaker 1: latest at Oakland Station where police had to be called

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Speaker 1: and the arrested a forty three year old man who

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Speaker 1: allegedly gave them a false name, and then they found

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Speaker 1: out outstanding warrant that he was breaching bail, so dude,

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Speaker 1: don't get on the train and make a fuss.