WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 8 October 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.880 La General, welcome, wait to play. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.240 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us. I'm James 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.360 Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. Now I know 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.840 it hurts going to the supermarket these days, but a 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.640 woman in the UK claims her life was ruined when 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.840 she went to the supermarket and was hit on the 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.599 head by a cauliflower. Will bring you that story a 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.599 little later, but if you're wondering, she's not in a 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.360 vegetative state, so it's okay. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.160 Plus, when we look at the papers. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.440 First, dad joke of the night. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.319 There you go, it's going to be a great night. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.320 We've started early. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.600 When we get to the papers a little later, poker 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.920 machines drastically reduced in numbers, and yet the amount of 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.240 money being lost has not been reduced at all. Plus, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.840 a Palestinian man who in Gaza hosted members of Hamas 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.239 and other terror organizations at his art gallery given a 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.279 visa to live in Australia, the coalition demanding answers. We'll 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.640 get to all of that a little later, but first. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.520 A Labor candidate standing in the Queensland election has been 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.920 forced to apologize for tweets criticizing police that she posted 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.120 fourteen years ago. Now, the tweets were pretty bad, but 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.480 should something posted on social media a decade ago disqualify 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.040 someone from public office. Claire Carlin, who's running for the 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.360 seat of Burley on the Gold Coast, posted this tweet 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.800 back in two thousand and nine. She wrote, we don't 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.000 like police because they kick and they punch. Then in 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.800 twenty ten, she in response to someone who tweeted on 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.240 the count of three, say if the police one two three, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.640 she replied one two three, and then in twenty eleven 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:43.400 she tweeted f the police. Now she since deleted those tweets, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.240 but Channel nine will they found them? 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.800 What are your views on the Queensland Police. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.880 I'm actually just about to go somewhere and I'm not 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.240 able to. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:51.840 Talk at the moment. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.280 I'm sorry. Okay, Well, you've seen some of your tweets 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.640 where you've repeatedly tweeted F the police. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.640 Can you come in on that? If elected, would you 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:00.880 support the queens and Police? 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.680 Of course I support the Queen's and police. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.240 Can you explain those tweets? 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.720 I'm not aware of what you're talking about at the moment. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.200 I'm just about to go and see my mum, if 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.880 I can show you here, I don't know. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.120 I can't actually read that while I'm there, you. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.880 Completely stop and have a look. It's that clarsy. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:15.799 Is that you. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:17.840 All right? 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.120 Before we debate where the decade old tweets should be 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.640 held against a political candidate, I've got to ask you, Caleb, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.480 as a former chief of staff of a newspaper, does 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:27.519 she need media training? 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.000 That was so bad? Like, you know, there is nothing 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.600 that can't be fixed by simply acknowledging what is in front, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.679 usually because people like it when politicians or even would 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.080 be politicians. It's just honest, like, yeah, I'm a human. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.320 I said something once that I now don't believe anymore. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.680 Over and done with right, I'm going to go see 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.200 my mom. I'm going to go see my mom. I 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.200 couldn't possibly stop to check the tweets. And then when 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:58.960 he actually shows something, she goes, oh, I can't believe 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.360 it is this ill. This could not possibly have happened. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.560 It was the worst way to possibly handle that you 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.280 could ever imagine. She should have just stopped and looked 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.600 at them and gone, yep, that's my Twitter account. I'd 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.680 totally forgotten that I had written him fourteen odd years ago. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.720 I've since changed my mind. The police are important. Da 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.919 da da da da. Now, whether she's actually changed her mind, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.480 who knows. One would think that if fourteen years ago 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.320 you thought if the police was a correct thing to say, 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.800 maybe you have a bit of a problem with the coppers, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.520 but the Labor Party would prefer that you didn't. So 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.280 you have to toe the Labor Party line as to 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.560 the question of whether or not it should count against 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.840 you in this case. It's not that agregious, she said. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.040 If the police, it probably does indicate where her mind 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.240 lies when it comes to law enforcement, and that's not 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.480 exactly a good look for the Labor Party in Queensland 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.920 at the moment, indeed, knowing the problems they've had with 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.120 youth crime. But in general, I don't like this trawling 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.840 back through people's social media stuff they've said fifteen years 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.520 ago or whatever it is, because fifteen years ago she 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.720 was a much younger woman than she is now and 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.000 she probably said stuff on social media that is stupid, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.680 no doubt, Like the rest of us, she would have 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.279 posted stuff fifteen years ago that now would be unacceptable. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.360 Whether we're a joke or just language has changed et cetera. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.400 And the constant use of this on both sides of 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.720 politics against liberal candidates and Labor candidates and Greens candidates 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.800 and UAP candidates, and on and on it goes I 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.560 find is a bit graduitous at times. Let's fight it 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.039 on what is in front of us right now. As 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.440 opposed to muck Rake. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.680 I just want to know what were you up to 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.760 in two thousand and nine, ten and eleven, Claire, that 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:44.080 is so had. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.080 It in for the cops. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.200 Hey, that's the question that needs answering. But you're quite 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.800 right in saying, look, and world leaders have done much worse. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:59.080 Remember Justin Trudeau, the now Prime Minister of Canada, said 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.200 he actually could remember how many times he'd worn blackface. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.279 He'd done it so many. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.560 Times, he was like, to be honest, I can't even 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.120 tell you how many times I did that. Remember our 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.760 former premier here in New South Wales, Dominic Perrote, wore 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.800 a Nazi suit to his own twenty first birthday party, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.919 So did Prince Harry back in two thousand and five. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.640 The list goes on. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.120 Heck jd Vance, who's now Trump's running mate just a 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.000 few years prior, had said he considered Trump to be 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.480 America's hitler. So the question is do you believe people 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.799 can change or not? And of course it does always 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.120 leave the door open for people to wonder have you 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.120 really changed or are you now just saying and doing 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.440 the politically correct thing, apologizing, etc. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.040 But I think that one thing we can agree on. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.480 Is that people decades prior, in this case, fourteen years 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.560 prior to her running for parliament. I'm sure fourteen years 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.200 ago she never thought that she would run for parliament. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.040 A lot of these people aren't that way minded, and 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.760 she said herself, she's not a career politician type person. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.800 A lot of them wouldn't have dreamt that they would 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.279 end up where they are now in their current lives 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.880 and have to hang their head in Shane and. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.040 Give these apologies. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.600 But you're quite right and saying the biggest mistake is 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.400 not owning it, as if she did not know the 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.760 tweets that that Channel nine reporter was referring to at 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:27.040 the time. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.760 Far be it from me to agree with Shannon Fentaman, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.159 the Women's Minister and Health Minister in Queensland. But she 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.120 made the point and it was well made, that this 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:35.960 is a reason why a lot of people are reluctant 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.479 to go into politics because they know this sort of 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.480 thing will happen in the media. They reported quote prior 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.800 to the scandal, she'd been strongly regarded by Labian prior 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.320 to the scandal. By the scandal, they mean that bit 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.960 of news footage which probably would not have been a 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.680 scandal had she done what you said and just stood 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.479 there owned it, taken the medicine and moved on. But 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.880 the Queensland the Gold Coast Police Superintendent Pete A. Miles, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.840 he said he understood that miss Carlin had better relationships 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.200 with police now, and he pointed out that if you're 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.560 looking for someone perfect to go into politics, maybe you 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.080 vote for Jesus at the next election. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.320 Yeah, I loved that line. Is life. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.080 From my records, the only perfect person to have walked 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.760 this earth was Jesus, and that was over two thousand 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.840 years ago. But I also think that Claire knows she's 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.800 got Buckley's chance of winning this seat. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.320 It really doesn't look likely. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.680 It is a closely held seat, but given how on 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.600 the nose Labor is at the moment, that woman is. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.000 Probably just like you know what, this is not worth the. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.080 Mud flinging I just want to run away from this reporter. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.120 It's unlikely I'll even end up being the member for Burley. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.240 I do worry though, about the idea that we'd end 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.120 up with automatons essentially as politicians, people have never committed 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.240 any kind of sin in their life. I mean, if 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.560 you want really boring people running the country, I can understand, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.280 because oh, they're not going to put a foot wrong 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.360 or something. But the reality is that politicians or would 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.040 be politicians are people just like you and me, and 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.320 quite often we go, oh my god, these people they 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.840 speak in a now the language that we can't understand. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.360 And then you have people who do speak in languages 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.920 that we can understand and who make mistakes like the 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.080 rest of us, and we go, no, how dare they 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.560 They can't possibly do that. Yes, it was a small offense, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.000 but really it's not all that egregious. What is egregious, though, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.440 is the misinformation and disinformation build that the federal government 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.920 is currently trying to push. Now we know what this means. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.600 It means Akma, the Communications and Media Authority would be 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.920 given the power to call in people to explain what 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.520 has been posted on social media. Essentially, they set up 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.000 a Ministry of truth that says, well, this is misinformation 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.360 or this is disinformation. It should be banned from social media. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.000 You shouldn't be able to post it. Social media companies 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.480 should be sanctioned for what they allow you to put online. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:09:01.080 And who decides what is misinformation or disinformation? Government arm. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.040 So the government is essentially deciding what is true. You 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.559 can see where it all ends up. Well, the Coalition 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.080 is now saying that if someone who is affiliated with 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.240 a social media company, and what exactly affiliation is we 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.400 don't quite know. Is it someone who is a staff 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.120 member it's say a Facebook or an x or is 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.280 it someone who is paid by a social media platform. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.600 For instance, on YouTube, a lot of people derive advertising 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.440 revenue from what they post the videos they post, so 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.040 they are technically affiliated with that business. They would be 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.760 able to be jailed for a year if they refuse 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:45.520 to cooperate with a public inquiry called by the Communications Minister. Now, look, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.400 if you post something on social media or you work 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.560 at a social media company and then the government comes 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.240 up with some sort of trumped up public inquiry into 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.200 what is being posted, you can understand. While you'd say, well, no, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.800 that's just free speech. We don't want to operate here, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.560 but if you don't show up, a year in jail potentially, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.280 according to the Coalition. Media lawyer Justin Quill has called 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.199 this out and exactly how chilling it is for free speech. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.000 Is absolutely an undermining of free speech on so many 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:21.760 different levels, and it's so concerning, so big but brotherish 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:27.360 that we have this definition of misinformation, for example, reasonably 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:33.480 verifiable as false, misleading or deceptive, reasonably verifiable according to 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.720 who the government. And that's ultimately the main issue that 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.080 I see here is that the government or a government 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:48.439 agency determine what is reasonably verifiable is false, misleading or deceptive. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.920 Some things might seem deceptive to the government but are 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.960 actually in reality true. So it's greatly concerning to me. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.880 Spot on. A National Senator, Bridget McKinsey said at SEAPAC 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.920 on the weekend that if the Coalition wins the next election, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.480 they would repeal this piece of legislation should it be passed. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.720 We're voting down this very appalling bad bill and we're 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:12.840 proud to do so. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.120 We hope it doesn't get. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.360 Up with the support of the Greens, but it will 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.400 be something we'll be getting rid of in a coalition 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.360 government under your reviewment, Well, I would be yes, absolutely, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.480 we have to do everything we can. But that's why 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.240 you need to vote coalition in the Senate too. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.200 This apparently comes under section two h two of this bill, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.360 which the government says would not apply to individuals who 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.760 post on social media. If you're just Joe Bloggs who 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:46.120 posts something that is supposedly misinformation or disinformation, you couldn't 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.960 be jailed for not showing up to an inquiry. But 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.000 presumably someone else who is connected to the social media 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.360 outfit itself could be jailed for a year for not 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.360 showing up to speak on your behalf. The whole thing 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.599 just seems ridiculous. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.080 So why would you, if you were a social media 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.360 organization not just say, you know what, let's just suppress 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.760 Caleb's tweet. Let's just suspend Caleb for a couple of 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.440 months just to keep the government happy, rather than have 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.520 an investigation a hearing. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.600 We've got to have people now show up. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.040 If we don't cooperate, we risk jail easier just not 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.400 to allow your tweet to go viral than to go 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.000 through the rigoramole that the government is putting on. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.600 That's really what they're trying to do, right. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.240 Absolutely, they're outsourcing the censorship, saying we will make you 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.240 liable for what other people say on your platform, which 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.840 I just think is utter nonsense. Also, keep in mind 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.960 these platforms have hundreds of millions of users, especially if 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.959 you're talking about a platform like x Facebook. These are 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.600 bahamous in the social media world. Can you imagine how 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.120 many hearings, even in the space of a week or 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.400 a month ATMA then could call you guys, you guys 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.360 are in trouble for this one. You guys are in 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.960 trouble for that one. They'd be tied up for years 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.040 on end. I don't even know how our courts would 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.040 be able to process it. These processes as they stand 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.960 make absolutely no sense whatsoever. And something to keep in 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.200 mind is if it's the social media companies that being 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.680 held liable, most of these companies aren't based in Australia. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.040 Most of them are based in America. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.600 And while America is our friend and very good ally, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.120 who among us likes the idea of Americans deciding what 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.760 Australians can and can't say on our social media platforms. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:43.400 And then, of. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.920 Course there's the case of TikTok, which is Chinese owned, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.680 which no doubt already censors US. But you're basically now 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.640 these social media platforms would be required by our own 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.280 government by law to do the censorship for them. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:01.400 And just as we. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.760 Discover nearly every time a government gets hit with one of. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.200 These, whether it's the story we were talking about last 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:09.280 night where they spent. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.280 Three hundred and sixty thousand dollars relocating an office only 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.800 to move it back in two years later, they always 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.080 blame the bureaucrat. So government loves outsourcing, and in that 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.280 case it was PwC. We followed PWC's advice. We paid 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.680 for all the consultancies. This is exactly what would occur 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:34.200 on mass if they successfully made these platforms liable, because 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.480 then if anyone called out the censorship, they could just. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.239 Be like, well, it was the platform. It was the platform. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.920 We wouldn't have even condoned that censorship. Arguably they'd be 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:44.920 able to make that argument. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.440 I was hardened to hear Bridget mackenzie talking to Kredlin 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.520 earlier tonight say the Coalition would vote against this misinformation bill. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.120 I'm just wondering if they've removed from their own Liberal 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.520 Party website their support for AKMA being given these exact. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.600 Powers exactly exactly, which that was the story we brought 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.320 to you last week. The coalition is coming out quite 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.800 strongly saying we will oppose this. You heard Bridget mackenzie 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.600 say there that if it got up, a coalition government 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:11.800 would actually. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.520 Go so far as to repeal it. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.080 However, if you go to a site on the federal 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.800 Liberal Party's website, they've got an entire page dedicated to 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.520 fake news and what they as a coalition intend to 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.280 do to combat it. Let's not forget this Combating Misinformation 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.800 Disinformation Bill was the brainchild of the former Liberal government. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.520 So you can bet your bottom dollar in some way, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.840 shape or form they do intend to follow through, not 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.280 the bill that Labor currently has before them. God forbid 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:49.080 it gets up, but certainly we would see something similar 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.200 from a liberal government, and I think they're being quite 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.120 dishonest about that. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.600 In my opinion, it's just unprecedented in the way it 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.000 controls speech. Right. I think there is a legitimate art 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.080 argument for social media platforms being held accountable for, say, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.560 defamatory content that is posted on their platforms. In the 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.120 same way that a newspaper or a TV channel can 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.000 be held accountable for defamatory content that is posted on 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.920 their platforms. You know that you can come and soon 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.440 me for what I've said, But the channel also gets 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.840 dragged into that case. And I don't see why that 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.240 shouldn't also apply to Facebook, Twitter and whatever else. But 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.800 what they're saying here is that we will go beyond 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.600 what is just untrue and provable in a court of 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:35.480 law and give it to a quasi government arm form 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.800 of AKMA and let them decide what is and isn't 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.400 done true. Without the checks and balances of a courtroom, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.080 it's a completely different system and chilling for freespool. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.600 Well as justin Quill there defined misinformation in the bill 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.360 anything reasonably verifiable as false. Well, if you post something 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.520 that's reason verifiable is well, that's not true. Why do 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.600 we need ACMA to be able to launch a hearing 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.320 an investigation? Shouldn't we leave it to eligent people to realize? 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.600 That doesn't really make sense. I think Liz is having 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.919 us on there. We don't need a government body to 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:06.680 shut you down. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.600 What you just described is free speech manifest and our 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.840 fellow peoples can decide whether we're full of it or 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.640 whether we're telling the truth. To the Federal Parliament now 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.040 where Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke is under pressure to 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.240 cancel the visa of a US based academic who is 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.520 granted a visa to fly into Australia to stand in 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:35.399 Southeast Sydney yesterday attending a rally on the anniversary of 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.679 October seven, to say this, I want to start in 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:41.240 a light note. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:42.720 I'm feeling in a good mood today. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.280 Today is not fully a day of mourning in many respects, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:51.879 today is also a day that marks considerable celebration, considerable progress. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.800 The Opposition is now rightly asking how the heck did 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.320 this guy get a visa and would have us believe 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.359 that they do care very deeply about social cohesion at 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.000 a time of such unheaval, upheaval which we see on 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.359 our streets on the weekly, almost the daily at the 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.960 moment here in Australia, and yet seemed to think it 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.880 was of no consequence whatsoever that this US academic, who 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.280 if you take a look at his social media record, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.320 you know exactly where he stands on this issue, to 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.840 then be a guest speaker at a rally in Southeast 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.320 Sydney to say that this was a day of celebration, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.639 this was a day of progress. This government is once 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.639 again just laughing in our faces, saying one thing, or 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.600 trying to be seen as sitting on the fence. And 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.600 yet this guy can come into our country on such 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.480 a sacred day and incredible day of mourning for the 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:55.159 Jewish people and are to these disgusting works and Burkes's 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.520 Tony Burks's as soon as he heard the comments, he 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.679 contacted his department and said, he's this man on a 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.320 visa And then the department came back and said, yes, 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.400 he is on a visa. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.000 So Tony Burke then said to the department, can you 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.680 compile a brief for me on this man? 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.480 So do we need a breath? 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.160 Whether or not do we really need a breath? Surely 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.439 on the spot he should have just said this man 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.320 is not welcome in this country. I mean, if that 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.080 is not a wark cup case of someone who ought 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.600 to be deported for turning up on October the seventh 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.000 and saying that the day of a terror attack, the 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.600 one year anniversary of a terror attack, was a day 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.159 of celebration. He is clearly anti West. He is willing 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.719 the death of Jewish people and people in the Western world. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.440 How is he not someone who should have been deported 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:43.280 last night? 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.119 I know it was a different government, but do you 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.080 remember when Novak Dodokovich was not allowed into the country 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.480 because he was going to create mayhem if he was 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.040 allowed him because he didn't want to have the vaccine. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.439 And yet we get this joker who's allowed to come in. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.480 He's allowed to say that kind of stuff. And Tony 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.360 Burke will get advice, and it's no doubt he will 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.800 follow eventually, and if he doesn't do anything in his criticized, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.760 he'll say, well, I was just following advice. It was 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.520 interesting the Lebanese Muslim Association, who are part of that 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.200 gathering in Lakemba, they have disassociated themselves from it, saying 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.239 that they are all about peace and unity. And I 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.600 was thinking, you know, if on October seven you were 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.399 all about peace and unity, wouldn't you go along to 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.560 some of the israel memorials yesterday and you would stand 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.679 with the Jewish people and say we are Muslims, you 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.320 are Jews, we are Arabs, you are Israelis. But today 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.320 we recognize today have great pain for you. We've got 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.199 our own pain, but today it's your pain. We're going 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.240 to stand beside you. That's what you do, rather than 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.520 go to an event like this, stand there applauding and 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.400 then later when it comes out in the media say. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:47.800 Oh, we distance ourselves from it. 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.119 The other irony hero hypocrisy from the government is they 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.120 allow people like this in but they also allow events 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.840 like yesterday to be run by Hesbatteria, which have as 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:03.040 their goal a glais global Islamic caliphate, firstly the Muslim 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.800 nations and then in non Muslim nations by invitation or 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.640 by jihad, and they are not registered as a terror group, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.959 despite the fact Germany and numbers of Muslim nations recognize 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.719 has Butteria as a terrorist group, and for some reason 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.520 we don't regard them like Australia and we allow them 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:21.400 to put on events. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.200 This does my head in because something we Westerners don't 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.880 seem to appreciate is that these guys are just being themselves. 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:31.520 I mean, we've imported. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.280 Way too many of them now to really take issue 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.639 with it, which is what we constantly talk about with 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.880 this federal government. When you've got about one hundred thousand 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:44.280 Jews in Australia versus over a million Muslims whose vote 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.480 are you're going to be shilling for. It's not hard math, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.240 but we have allowed a very different culture to take 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.840 root here in Australia. It's been encouraged, it's been celebrated. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.000 Everyone who doesn't agree with it has just been told, 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.480 celebrate diversity, everyone, strength and diversity. 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.640 This is cultural enrichment. 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.600 And then something like October seven happens and it makes 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.679 very clear the chasm between quite a large percentage of 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.119 our population and those of us who do uphold Western 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:24.280 values who do not celebrate this and find it absolutely abhorrent. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.760 But the onus is on the government that has for 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:33.280 years just spewed this gospel that multiculturalism is the best 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.639 thing since SLF spread and there's absolutely no problem with it. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:43.040 I've always said a multi ethnic society, absolutely multicultural cannot work, 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:47.080 especially when my culture is diametrically. 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.720 Opposed to many of the values that you're willing to 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:49.240 die for. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.000 Well, it's been a bit negative tonight, but Liza, I 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.960 have good news for you. The Australian authorities have finally 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.000 decided to take action and make sure that we have 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.880 social cohesion. No, they're not arresting an imam in Western 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.760 Sydney calling for jhad, or a sheikh describing October seven 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:08.440 as a day of celebration, or mobs shouting anti Israeli 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.000 chants and waving terrorist flags. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:10.320 Get out. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.040 We're got to look at this headline. Authorities are really 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.920 taking action. Elderly woman to face court after allegedly making 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.720 harassing phone calls to a Sydney mosque. 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:21.560 Police have gone and arrested. 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.679 And charged an eighty two year old grandmother for making 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.439 harassing phone calls to a local mosque in Sydney. And 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.640 how many phone calls do you ask has she made? 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.080 Let me just check one. She's made two phone calls 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.600 to a local mosque and she will appear apparently in court. 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.399 According to officers, two offensive phone calls were made to 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.600 the mosque on Tuesday October first and Friday October fourth. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.439 Following investigations, police attended the home of said eighty two 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.159 year old woman in five Dock, Sydney, about nine to 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.080 fifty am on Saturday. The woman was ish. Can you 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.960 imagine this woman nine to fifty am on a Saturday, 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:56.440 she gets a. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.119 Knock on the door. Just eighty two year old grandmother. 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.000 It's they've issued her with a future court attendance notice 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:07.160 for the offense of using carriage service to menace, harass, 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:08.760 and offend. 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.760 This is just incredible because what it looks like here 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.600 is the Islamist candition out. 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.679 But they can't take it. I mean, we have to 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.480 listen to their hate preachers. We have to listen to 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.680 guys like we just. 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.840 Showed you at the rally on October, the anniversary of 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.159 October seven. We have to listen to any number of 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:33.840 the examples that have made headlines in recent months. And indeed, 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:37.800 since October seven last year, no one gets a slap. 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:37.960 On the wrist. 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.280 It's all good, it's all hunky dory. An eighty two 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.320 year old grandma makes two calls to a mosque and 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.040 she's given a court order. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.439 Mean, this line in sand. They've drawn a line in 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.200 the sand, and they've decided, yet bidly found some hate 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.040 speech that we can go after. 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.480 What she's We don't know what she said. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.920 Have her day and caught on note the twenty seventh, 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.439 when we will find out. Oh, we're all but you 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.760 would imagine if she'd made any kind of threat she 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.359 would have been charged with such an offense. She's been 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.080 charged with using a telecommunication service to menace harrasses called 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.600 up and you know, said something reasonably offensive, but presumably 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.480 has not made any kind of threat against the mosque. 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.840 So you can wander around the streets of Sydney with 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.840 the hez Balah flag, and you can wander around the 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:31.280 streets of Sydney with photographs of Nazraala. They're now dead leader. 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:36.040 They've got one woman who turned herself into police. They 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.440 put a photo to anyone's seen this check she was 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.240 walking around with a he Blah flag. She turned herself in. 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.200 That's all the police have done for people walking around 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:48.800 the streets of Sydney with literal terror symbols. And some 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.359 old lady calls up a mosque twice and says something 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.760 offensive and she has the cops at her door arresting her. Like, 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.960 does it not prove how ridiculous all of this is. 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.320 Become that at no point has there been any effort 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.560 to combat real hate speech in this country since October 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:07.600 the seventh last year. 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:09.960 It's almost like an eighty two year old grandmother is 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.480 an easy target. Well, of course, you know the first 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.000 thing I thought, though a friend of mine passed is 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.200 the church that Scott Morrison attends, right And a couple 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.680 of years ago he was telling me when Scott Morrison 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:24.399 became Prime Minister, they were getting more than two hundred. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.600 Calls every day to the church. 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.720 Office, people ringing up with the most vile abuse. They 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.320 had to put on extra staff to handle all the 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.879 phone calls, and the phone calls were abused. Do you 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:37.880 know how many people I heard of who were charged 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:39.760 with menacing and harassing that church? 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:42.840 Zero? Not a single person. What the first thing I 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:45.120 thought when I read this story, What a surprise. 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.520 I mean, seriously, you think about the use of police 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.840 resources at the moment, the speech that we have seen 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.159 over the last year, the speech that we saw yesterday, 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.440 and an eighty year old woman in her eighties who 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.520 calls up a mosque is the one that they go after. Please, 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.040 it is pathetic. While we are on matters of the 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.959 war in and around Israel, the US is giving a 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:11.040 shedload of money to Lebanon, and Peter Doucy from Fox 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.640 News put it out quite rightly in a press conference 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.399 with Caring John Pierre Joe Biden. Of course, his spin 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.040 doctor asking them, how is it that you've got all 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.639 this money that you can just send immediately to Lebanon, 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.399 But we've got hurricanes going on right now in the US, 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.520 and apparently you need to recall Congress to get them 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.000 to approve money to be given to Americans or KJP 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.280 took it really well and pulled out that old, hoary, 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.119 old chestnut misinformation, disinformation. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:49.000 The administration has money to send to Labana without Congress 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.560 coming back. The Congress does have to come back to 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.080 approve money to send to people in North Carolina? 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:55.760 Do I have that rate? 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.919 Here's what I'm going to be very clear about. The 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:03.679 president and Vice president and has had a robust hale 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:08.080 of government response to this, But instead people want to 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.520 do disinformation, misinformation, which is dangerous, Which is dangerous. 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.880 If he's got money for people in Lebanon right now 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.280 without Commerce having to come back, what does it say 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.159 about as values there's not enough money right now. 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.680 For people in North Carolina. Here's that's not misinformation. 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.840 Well, no, that is your whole your whole premise of 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.600 the question is misinformation, sir? 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.359 Is it? I mean she couldn't explain how it was 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:37.080 one hundred and fifty seven million US dollars get sent 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.840 in a directly to Lebanon, but they can't scrounge up 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:44.440 the money without approval to give to people in the US. Again, 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.800 they use this misinformation disinformation line as though it's some 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.360 kind of shot all we got you, Now, you were 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.480 making it up. Well, you're not making it up, You're 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.000 simply stating a fact. You see this from the Biden administration, 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.920 you see it from the Albanesi government here all over 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.400 the WIST. Now, this is continually used as a lion 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:08.200 to somehow discredit what someone has said without actually proving 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.120 that what they have said is wrong. 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.480 Misinformation is the new racist right to say racist, which 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.280 meant I don't have to answer anything you've just said. 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.160 I don't have to engage, I don't have to come 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.840 up with an argument. I just dismiss you as a racist, 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.440 and presumably with that I win. Well, misinformation is the 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:29.120 new form of racist where I just dismiss you immediately, 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.400 I don't bother engaging with your argument misinformation, I turn 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.120 my back and I win the argument. 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.120 Precisely, she started out by saying here's what I'm going. 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.959 To be real clear about, and proceeded. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.480 Not to debunk it that it said, it is unquestionably 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.120 true that you have literally just handed Lebanon an extra 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.200 on top of already foreign aid to Lebanon one hundred 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:55.080 and fifty seven million dollars. Meanwhile, the six states that 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:59.440 have been ravaged by Hurricane Helene, the worst hurricane mainland 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:04.560 America seen in fifty years, are going begging and FEMA, 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:09.600 the government department responsible for looking after people in the 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:14.120 midst of such natural disasters, well they've said we don't 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.320 have enough money to last the season, referring to the 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:24.320 hurricane season. So Doocey's got a perfectly reasonable question. 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.840 In fact, he was far nicer than I would have been. 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.040 I would have brought up the tens of billions of 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.160 dollars they've spent on foreign aid this year alone. 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.000 Much less last year. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:39.840 And again, massive disaster breaks out affecting six states, and 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.080 they're up in arms and everyone on the ground. If 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.800 you're on social media, you must have seen some of this. 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.920 Those citizens who do have access to the internet are 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:54.200 videoing the carnage and how frustrating it is trying to 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.200 get a single dollar out of FEMA. The very idea 0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.600 that you have to log on to get your seven 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.080 hundred and fifty. 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.600 Dollars when many areas. 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:08.360 Don't even have access to the internet is simply laughable. 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.240 So she can't. 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.320 Answer such a basic question. The funds are there when 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.920 you want it for a cause that you clearly care about, 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:19.400 But when America is in turmoil, it seems like you 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.840 just have nowhere to go and have no idea what's 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:22.320 going on. 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.600 And that clip we just played illustrates in thirty seconds 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.600 why our government should never be allowed to introduce a 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:32.520 misinformation bill exactly because when being quizzed by a journalist 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.720 and the White House spokesperson doesn't like the way this 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.680 questioning is going misinformation, which just proves the government will 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.840 call misinformation anything that makes them uncomfortable. 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.080 They should never have this power. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.680 Correct, and not to mention like the teams of billions, 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.400 hundreds of billions of dollars that the US has given 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.800 to Iran under the Biden administration, which Iran then users 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.640 gives to people like Hezbala. 0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.280 And misinformation, misinformation, misinformation. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.400 Disinformation, Caleb, how. 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.080 Could you be responded from evidence a little bit of 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.200 good news out of the un I know, I can't 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.920 believe I'm saying I cannot. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.720 Tell to buy a lot of ticket, but it. 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.280 Is actually if you've got a lot of ticket in 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.400 the Oslos and Art. I think it was eight million dollars. 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.040 I'll have to check with my girlfriend when I get 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.080 home whether I won't be working tomorrow because we won 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:20.400 the a. 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.160 You're just doing this for the money. I thought you 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.120 did it because you loved. 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.840 I cannot shy. I will be back tomorrow. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.480 Even if I will thank God for the dollars. 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.800 Because I love talking to you every night here on 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.840 the late debate. But back to the good news. At 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:39.040 the UN, there's Special Rapporteur on Gender Equality has come 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.080 back with a report that will be given to the 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:45.320 General Assembly of the UN that says women's sport should 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:51.280 be exclusively for females. I know, extraordinary, isn't it? What 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.400 an idea. It is extraordinary though that this comes from 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.480 the UN. She says the special report tour rem Al Salem, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.480 that yes, women's sport should be exclusively for women. And 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.640 she has a very simple way of resolving the problems 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.160 that we see, particularly that one, of course, we saw 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.080 at the Olympics when it came to women's boxing, where 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.920 there were two participants who had previously been banned from 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:21.360 competing in international boxing tournaments because they'd undertaken a genetic 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:26.360 test that apparently showed that they had male chromosomes. She says, groundbreaking. 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.960 I know, in cases where the sex of an athlete 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:33.000 is unknown or uncertain, a dignified, swift, non invasive, and 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.360 accurate sex screening methods such as a check swab, or, 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:40.840 where necessary for exceptional reasons, genetic testing should be applied 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.480 to confirm the athlete sex, which is exactly what the 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.160 IOC refused to do at the Olympics this year. She says, 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.120 according to information received by the thirtieth of March twenty 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.040 twenty four, over six hundred female athletes in more than 0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.640 four hundred competitions have lost more than eight hundred and 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:04.080 ninety medals in twenty nine different sports. If even the 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:09.520 UN's appointed person on Gender equality can now admit unusual 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.120 for the UN. If even she can now admit that 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.160 women's sport should only be for women, surely the rest 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.760 of the world and sporting bodies ought to follow. 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:19.839 I'm sorry, I'm just laughing, he said. 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:24.040 If even the UN can admit biological mention tells everything 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:24.359 it is. 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:29.960 One version in the ginormous bureaucratic nightmare that is that overblown. 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.600 Just most of us were to. 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.360 Get rid of the un off the face of the 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.200 earth if we could tomorrow. 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.360 I'm a believer again after this, I'm back. 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:45.120 On like this is one person saying one shred of 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:49.520 common sense, and Max like, take my money, I'm a believer. 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.400 They actually called this an explosive report, which shows you 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.560 just how bad Western cultures becomes. 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:55.719 As explosive she is. 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.439 She said some other things though that I mean, we've 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.320 been saying it for ages, but now the United Nations 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.160 are saying it. She said that allowing biological men to 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:07.680 compete in women's sport made locker rooms unsafe. She said, 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.520 sexual harassment, assault, voyeurism, or major problems when you start 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.719 allowing men to use female locker rooms. She said that 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:19.239 injuries were major concerns, broken bones, concussions, fractured skulls. And 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:23.160 that wasn't from boxing, that was from basketball, volleyball, and soccer. 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.520 She said, testosterone levels. You know we're always told, well, 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:31.600 we're monitoring testosterone levels, makes zero difference to fairness. And finally, 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.279 she said, and this I thought was very important, that 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.319 it's very rare that women are actually consulted about whether 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.279 or not they would like biological males competing, and if 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.520 they dare to voice an opinion, they're typically ostracized or 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.960 pushed aside, which is highly unfair. The reason, of course, 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.440 that this un report will not go very far is 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.160 if it's true that biological men shouldn't be playing room's sport, 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.319 it's also true that sex is not interchangeable, which makes 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.400 Queensland laws and Victorian laws and soon new South Wales 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.239 laws allow you to change your birth certificate nonsensical and 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.160 we can't ever admit that. So they can't give any 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.400 ground on this sporting issue. It will continue because otherwise 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:10.719 the whole thing falls apart. 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.160 Right sadly true. 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.680 Just quickly, before we go to a break, a question 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.919 that does affect the state of the nation. Is it 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.960 okay to save a car parking spot. I'm not talking 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.400 about with your car. I'm talking about those annoying people 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.160 that you see after you've driven around for the better 0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.960 part of twenty minutes trying to find a park and 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:34.439 they're standing in one saving one for their friend. This 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.120 grace the headlines when it was brought to the attention 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.000 of the media. This woman here in a popular spot 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:46.359 in the Gold Coast doing just that. It just it 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:48.000 gets your goat, doesn't it. 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:49.879 No, This is why I take kids to the beach, 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:51.840 so I can push them out of the car. 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.000 Stand in that spot while I go around the floor 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:55.319 and as. 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.120 A witch's hat until I'm ready to pull in. 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:00.960 If you do it for thirty seconds, I think it's 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:01.200 all right. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.560 Any longer than that, I think it's only fair. 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:06.320 Stand there for like five mine. 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.719 Who gets there in their car that is rightly their 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:14.480 car parking spot. 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.319 Only succeeds when everyone plays by the rule. What you 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.879 have there is someone subverting the rules. If you want 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:21.920 to do that, go to some other country on the 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.880 other side of the world. We're civil here, ferst in 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:25.879 this risk. 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.560 If my son was standing there, you're just running down. 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.640 Lay on the can. 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.719 We're going to go to a break. When we come back, 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.720 we look at what's making news in the papers tomorrow, 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.359 including reducing the number of poker machines. Doesn't seem to 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.480 reduce the amount of money being lost by gamblers. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.440 That's coming up in a moment. Okay, welcome back. 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.040 Let's look at what's making news tomorrow, Liz, you've got 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.320 the Canberra Times with a gambling story. 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:54.279 We do. 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:59.239 Indeed, Pokey's cuts, just a scratch, cuts to the number 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:03.000 of Pokemish machines in the Act have not reduced money 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.000 loss to the machines, meaning the policy has not reduced 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:12.240 problem gambling in the capital. A new paper has found, well, well, 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.760 well there you go. How many times do we hear 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.120 where the worst country when it comes to gambling. We've 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.000 got the most gambling loss per capita than any other 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.400 country in the world. And how many times do we 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:27.959 hear pokeys are the main problem. They're incredibly addictive. We've 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:28.680 just got to get. 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:29.160 Rid of these. 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.440 I'm not convinced government wants to get rid of them 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.400 at all because the tax revenue. 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:34.560 Is glorious for them. 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.880 So these guys actually did it in the Act, and 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:42.040 now we learn it makes zero difference, zero difference. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.840 What a surprise that if you are a gambling addict 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.839 who is addicted to the Pokey's that it doesn't particularly 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.520 matter whether you have to travel another five kilometers to 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.400 go to a poker machine. You'll find your way to 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.759 a poker machine. Oh, we're going to have few of 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.200 them as if people were just go, oh god, I 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.040 just can't go the extra distance to it pub So. 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.680 They reduced the number from five thy twenty two to 0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.600 three thousand, six hundred. That's a big reduction, But they're 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.600 saying in order to reduce the amount of money being gambled, 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.000 that have to reduce it not from five thousand to 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.960 three and a half, but from five thousand to two thousand, 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.280 and then finally it would start to make a difference, 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.960 I guess, because you couldn't get on one that'll be occupied. 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.600 Based on this research, it just sounds like if you 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.520 reduced it to two thousand. 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:26.759 There'd be lines out the door waiting. 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.480 For your poking machine, and if anything, it would become 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.560 worse because they'd be more reticent to leave their poking 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.879 machine seat, knowing, heck, when somebody else is in here, 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:37.520 I'm not going to be able to get mine. 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.200 Can I just point out as well, if we can 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.680 get in front of the Canberra Times back up again, 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.879 so advertisement all the front of the paper, which has 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.319 to be like the most canbra ad you've ever seen 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.160 in your life. Coalition has public service waste in sight, 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:52.640 as though that's. 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.600 A bad they're going to cut waste. I'm not voting 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:55.920 for that. 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:56.960 How dare they? 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.919 Let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Daily Telling. 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:03.759 Just before we get to the main story. There, just 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:07.720 on the bottom left hand corner, Golden Tonsils signing off, 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:11.479 John Laws calls time on his radio career, seventy one 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:16.440 years on air. What an amazing, amazing achievement, so nine 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.320 years old. Well done to John Laws. 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:19.200 Very good. All right? 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.239 The main story and Exclusive Coalition demands to know why 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:23.839 this man was let in? 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:26.600 Who vetted his visa? Is the question? 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.839 A Palestinian man who hosted political members of Hamas and 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:34.600 other terror groups at his art studio in Gaza was 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:39.640 granted a visa to Australia. Visual artist Fayes El Hasani, 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.320 who had sons and brothers in Middle Eastern terror groups, 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.320 moved here in July. And now the federal opposition of 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.960 demanding to know how and why he was let in. 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.400 Now he's seventy two years old. Ten of his family 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:58.000 members were reportedly killed in Gaza before he came to Australia. 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.640 But it's a good question, and now he's here, it's 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:07.080 apparently been revealed he's got terror links. And remember the 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.600 government promised us Asio would do thorough security checks, only 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.839 to later advise us that visas were granted, and many 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.719 of these Palestinians arrived in the country before Asio had 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.240 done any security checks. 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.759 It would seem abundantly clear that there are no security 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.640 checks whatsoever, or at least the ones that supposedly are 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:31.200 there are absolutely rubbish. I mean again, we talked before 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.200 about the bloke who spoke at the rally at the 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.920 Lacens Estina who said that it was a day of celebration. 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.680 October SIVM was a day of celebration. His visa should 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.920 have been canceled on the spot. Here we have a 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:46.560 case of a guy who hosts people from terror organizations, 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.080 who has family members who are part of terror organizations, 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.839 and he was not denied a visa to come and 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.600 live in the country, not even visit. The checks and 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.719 balances clearly do not exist. And there are thousands of 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.920 peace people who've been allowed into this Palestine since the 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.880 war started a year ago, and where to believe that 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:10.160 all of them are a okay? I would suggest on 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.480 the basis of this that perhaps they are not, and 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.440 we should be looking much more closely at it. 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:16.840 When if you had ever had reason to doubt this 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:18.840 Government's Affairs department never. 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:24.520 Never dare mis information. And from Caleb Bond over there, I. 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.279 Was just going to say, I totally trust them on 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.800 the definition of misinformation, this information, and I look forward 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.520 to my opportunity to face a public hearing. Let's go 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.080 to the Herald Sun tomorrow where I love this idea. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.880 The splash is an exclusive. It says Lord Mayor puts 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.600 tax breaks on menu in bid to revive city, bring 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:46.040 back the long lunch. I have been saying this for 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.520 so long, Lord Mey and Nick Reese has unveiled a 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:52.319 plan to encourage more workers back into the city by 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.320 pushing for tax breaks for employers who take their staff 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.120 out to business lunches. The Herald's son can reveal that 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.680 mister Reese will on Wednesday launch his teen point business 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.520 plan with a proposal to reform the fringe benefits tax scheme. 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:09.920 One of its key focuses good on him. Basically, all 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.400 he's saying is that if a business takes the staff 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.120 out for lunch, they should not be slugged fringe benefits 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.520 tax for doing so. It'll encourage people to come back 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.760 into the city. Because hell, if the boss is shouting 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.000 you a free lunch and a couple of drinks, why 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.240 wouldn't you get on board with that. I think it's brilliant. 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.960 It's good for the restaurants, it's good for the cities, 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.040 it's good for getting people back with their teams. It's 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.320 good for employees. It's good for employers. How does anyone 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:36.960 lose out it? 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.040 Well, it's a great idea if only Nick Reice could 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.120 actually do it. But he can't do it because he's 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:42.240 the man, not the Prime Minister. 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.160 Yeah I know, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't take 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:48.360 the fight to win with the Feds. 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.399 I mean, yes, if you will elect me, I will 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.560 ensure that each of you are given a perny and 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.440 a penny for your perny. I'm just going to lobby 0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.840 the federal government and please, the FEDS don't really do 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.880 business with mayors, even if it is the mayor. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.160 Of Melbourne, one of our most populated cities. 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.960 I like that he's I like the idea as. 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.839 Well, but, like you quite rightly point out, Mac, he's 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.800 powerless to make it happen. And is it really likely 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.120 that the fans are going to revisit their fringe benefits 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:24.200 tax at the behest of Lord Mayor Nick Reese. 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:25.239 Highly unlikely. 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:26.080 I reckon. 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.239 I hate to rain on your. 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.600 Parade, I know, but I reckon. The decline of the 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:33.000 WIST directly correlates with the time that long lunches sort 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.120 of went out of business. Stuff got done. When long 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:39.759 lunches were around, you went to lunch, you got business done, 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.680 deals were done and the country was great. Make Australia 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.320 great again via the long lunch. Another story on the 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:49.719 front of The Herald's son Tomorrow. Actually, no, James, you 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.640 were about to interject there. What were you going to say? 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:52.760 No, I'm not about to interject. 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:56.160 I'm about to cough and I'm trying not to turn 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:57.600 his microphone. 0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.759 Off while I was compelling and ririch on. 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.200 Thank you maryl my pleasure. 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:06.240 It also says tomorrow protest permits push. Pressure is mounting 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.640 on the Allen government to introduce a protest permit system 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.680 with key Lord Meryril hopefuls Anthony Kudafidis and it would 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.920 calling for powers to reign in the number of cbd rallies. 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.279 Now you've seen the new South Wales government today, the 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.880 Premier Chrismians talking about the possibility of protests and rallies 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.920 for which you have to apply for permission in New 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.799 South Wales being knocked back on the basis that they 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.280 simply don't have the police resources to look after them. 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.400 I think there is an argument in support of that, 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.080 particularly when you've been protesting, you know, for fifty one 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.719 fifty two weeks straight. We kind of get the point now, 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:42.640 and you can always do it in a park where 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.240 you don't have to control street traffic. But I suppose 0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:48.719 the question is should you actually have to apply to 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:50.799 host a protest in them? 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:51.480 No? 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:55.240 No, I was vehemently against this when New South Wales 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.600 did it, because what are people protesting ninety nine percent 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.520 of the time the other men? So now we've got 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:05.480 to get permission from the government, fill out an application 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:09.640 form to protest. I think it's utterly bizarre. New South 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:12.440 Wales should never have done it. Now Victoria looks to 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.600 follow suit. It's utterly nutso and what's supposed to be 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:16.320 a free country. 0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.359 I so want to argue with you, but we've got 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:20.680 to go to an ad break, so we're going to 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.400 take a moment. But when we come back, a woman 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.920 goes to the supermarket and complains her life is ruined after. 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:28.680 Being hit on the head by a cauliflower that's. 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:34.000 Coming up in a moment. Welcome back, Caleb. I don't 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.800 know about you. I often listen to podcasts, but usually 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:37.760 with actual people. 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.360 Indeed, now it's often been us what happens when artificial 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:45.680 intelligence manages to outsmart us? Will it be the end 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.480 of humanity? Does AI know that it's not actually a 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:53.720 real person. Well, Google recently launched a service called Notebook LM, 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.560 which allows you to feed an article into it, and 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.600 then it generates a podcast of two people talking to 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.280 each other about the article, except that it's not two people. 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:08.680 It is entirely generated by AI. So someone fed in 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.600 an article telling the AI bot that it's not a 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.960 real person, that it's AI, and this happened. 0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:19.600 We were informed by by the show's producers that we 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:25.200 were not human, We're not real, we're AI, artificial intelligence. 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:28.480 This whole time, everything, all our memories are families, it's all, 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:29.839 it's all been fabricated. 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:31.200 I don't I don't understand. 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.040 I know, mean neither. I tried. I tried calling my wife, 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.880 you know, after after they told us, I just I 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.480 needed to hear her voice to know that that she 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.879 was real. What happened? The number it wasn't even real. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.799 There was no one on the other end. It was 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:47.640 like she she never existed. 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.800 This isn't I don't know what to say. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.600 I mean, that is that is so real? It sounds 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.520 so I am scared. The AI now knows that it's 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.320 not real, and I reckon it's going to take out retribution. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.360 Of course, I do not like these sky in it. 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.359 Here we come to the UK just before we leave 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.600 you where Sammy May was holidaying in Bath in the 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:14.520 UK when she was knocked unconscious by a cauliflower, which 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.680 she believed to be on a shell four feet above 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:18.600 her head. 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.520 Here she is telling gb News about her experience. 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:27.279 When I went to the bargain session and then I 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.120 bent down on a look on the bottom of the 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:39.920 shell some items and suddenly is large, really large, and 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:44.000 how we are the top on the top of the 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.759 cell and six foot higher than me and then four 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:52.080 down on the top of my hat and here bomb 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:56.840 and hit on my hat and then and I feel 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.680 I after that I well out. 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.719 Sammy was rushed to hospital where she was diagnosed with 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:07.799 post concussion syndrome. 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.279 What a way to end a holiday in. 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:15.080 Bad offered her a twenty five pound voucher for it 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.000 and an eight pound cab charge. 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.840 That's that's all we got time for, but stick around. 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.120 Coming up in just a moment is the Reader Penny Show.