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Speaker 1: Get a your bloody superstars, Welcome to another and Storming

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Speaker 1: and the Youth Projector's HAPs I'm excited. I'm excited because

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to do any prep. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: to do any research. I didn't have to put on

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Speaker 1: a party dress. I've got no fucking lippy or makeup

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Speaker 1: because I've got a long time friend who I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen for a long time. So I'm a shit friend.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to rekindle the relationship with your help listeners.

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Speaker 1: So hi, dd oh.

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Speaker 2: That's so hurtful. You know, I carry a picture of

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Speaker 2: you in my wallet every day. I like you.

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Speaker 3: That's lovely what you just said, because you know, I

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Speaker 3: do various interviews and media appearances and stuff, and I'm

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Speaker 3: a frantic prepper. I like to be over prepped for everything.

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Speaker 3: But today I was genuinely just feeling excitement, zero prep,

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Speaker 3: just the thought of talking to you. I feel safe

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Speaker 3: in your hands, So don't let me down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and we'll do a podcast. Also, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think like you know me. I know you right, You're

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Speaker 1: a little bit more You're a bit more organized, a

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Speaker 1: bit more pedantic than me. But I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: not particularly OCD, are you.

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Speaker 2: I mean that shounds No, I'm just so organizer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So whereas I it depends who

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Speaker 1: it is. Like if I'm talking to somebody that I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've literally I've told you, We've done nearly two thousand

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Speaker 1: of these. I've had some conversations with people. And about

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Speaker 1: five minutes in, like, I had a conversation with this

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Speaker 1: guy who's maybe the smartest person in the world. His

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Speaker 1: name is Professor Ahmi Goswami. Right, is this beautiful Indian academic,

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Speaker 1: spiritual teacher, guru, Like he lives at the intersection of

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Speaker 1: academia and research and wisdom and spirituality and the soul

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Speaker 1: and the He's like, and I'm talking to him, and like,

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Speaker 1: this is not even me fucking around being funny. Five

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Speaker 1: or six minutes in, I'm thinking to myself, I'm literally

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Speaker 1: too dumb to have a conversation with this person. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: to fucking ask him. I like, And so I said,

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Speaker 1: so I got about you know, I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: a complete dummy, but compared to him, I was a

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Speaker 1: fucking yaka, Right, And I said to him, Hey, prof,

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Speaker 1: I've got to admit something. And he goes, what you know,

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Speaker 1: what's that, Craig? You know? And I said, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm too stupid to have a conversation with you. And

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Speaker 1: he was so sweet and so nice, and he said,

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Speaker 1: somebody who's stupid wouldn't say that. I'm like, well, maybe,

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Speaker 1: but have you ever had a moment on an interview

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Speaker 1: where you've gone, fuck, I'm out of my depth or

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to go?

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Speaker 3: Well before I answer that, you've got a hell of

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Speaker 3: a potty mouth on you, Craig Harp, But where did

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Speaker 3: that come from? Didn't used to swear that proper lady

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Speaker 3: like me back in the day.

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Speaker 2: What your answer to him? Your response to him?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to listen to your response about

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Speaker 3: having a potty mouth because I see you having a

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Speaker 3: sip of water and I know you're watching you.

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Speaker 2: You know you know you've turned it wrong. No, seriously,

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Speaker 2: I swear like a wolfing.

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Speaker 3: I think your response to him was exactly what I

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Speaker 3: would have done. And you've always got to remember that

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Speaker 3: you're probably not the dumbest person in the room, but

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Speaker 3: if you are, there's an opportunity to learn so don't

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Speaker 3: don't think of it in and I'm not calling you vain,

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Speaker 3: but don't think of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh everyone's going to think I'm done because I can't

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Speaker 3: You have to look at it as an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: learn something, and you won't learn anything if you don't

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Speaker 3: put your hand up and say, I actually didn't really

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Speaker 3: understand your answer just then, or I'm not keeping up

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Speaker 3: with you. Can you please tell me? And that's where

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Speaker 3: you that's where you're going to learn something. And you

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Speaker 3: can almost bet that eighty ninety percent probably more of

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Speaker 3: the people listening are thinking, oh, I'm so glad he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It's like one of

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm always coming second. But what it does

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Speaker 1: PhD at Monash and it's at this in this lab

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Speaker 1: So it's the Neuroscience Neuropsychology Laboratory. And when I started

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Speaker 3: Fuck.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that especially when you get older,

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Speaker 1: you've got to keep learning and keep developing, and.

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Speaker 3: I think, sorry, I've talked over you. I can't help

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Speaker 3: myself and get over excited. I also think a lot

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Speaker 3: we're constantly comparing ourselves to what we see and hear

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Speaker 3: of other people and wondering are we up to scratch?

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Speaker 3: Are we're going to be liked as much? And this morning,

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Speaker 3: actually I had to put I don't need to share

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Speaker 3: the deep details of what it was, but that it

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Speaker 3: I said to one, hey, you know, you're okay to

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Speaker 3: sent me a thing saying, Oh, I'm having imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm up to the other person's

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Speaker 2: And you know, it just it surprised me.

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Speaker 3: Because it was somebody who I respect and defer to

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Speaker 3: So I think that just tells us even the most

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just human nature, I.

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Speaker 1: Think one I totally agree. I think even more than that, maybe,

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Speaker 1: like some of the most successful in inverted commas from

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Speaker 2: And it also comes back to what is success.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to a podcast the other day called Heavyweight,

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Speaker 3: and it was a story about a guy who was friends.

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Speaker 2: With you know, Moby, and I don't know how to

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Speaker 3: Is he a rapper, a musician, Moby who was pretty

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Speaker 3: and Moby says, the most lonely and the most flat

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Speaker 1: That is? Okay? So we're going to have a good chat, right,

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Speaker 1: So I love this shit, right. I talk about what

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Speaker 1: I'm always doing this. I'm talking to people every day,

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Speaker 1: But then also it's my personality that I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that comes back to the prep thing. I

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Speaker 3: was made sure I was over prepped. But this again

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Speaker 3: just look at the data, by the measurement that we

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Speaker 3: can look at of the figures, I was a success.

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Speaker 3: I was number one in my time slot, and yet

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Speaker 3: the management and for people who aren't familiar with me,

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Speaker 3: I've worked in radio for close to forty years and

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Speaker 3: Doing well at it, Like It's taken me a long

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Speaker 3: time to actually I'm very bad at singing my own praises,

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Speaker 3: actually state as fat here's what I achieved. Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: renewing my contract. So even though I had what probably

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Speaker 3: in the job that I loved and lived for. So again, like,

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Speaker 3: what is success? How do you measure? Where is it

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Speaker 3: you're going? It's like, this is a stupid example, but

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Speaker 3: in Bridget Jones's diary, she's got this goal weight, you know,

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Speaker 3: And she wakes up the next morning where she's hit

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Speaker 2: Craig? Shut up? But that was it.

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Speaker 1: one's producing adrenaline and cortisol the negative one, and one's

434
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: producing dopamine, which is a feel good hormone. Right, So

435
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: everything you eat a bit of food, there's a chemical

436
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: reaction in your body. I give you a hug. Now,

437
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: if you hate me, there's a chemical reaction that's bad.

438
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: If you love me, there's one that's positive. So this

439
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: whole idea of you know that, oh, there's your mind,

440
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: and there's your emotions, and there's your body is actually

441
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: a flawed paradigm because your emotions, your psychology, and your

442
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: physiology are one system and everything affects everything. So if

443
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: you get sad, if I say to you, Hey, dd,

444
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: I've got some bad news. And I tell you something

445
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: and you process it in your brain. Right, that's cognitive,

446
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: and then you understand it. Now you feel sad, Well,

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: that's brain and that's emotion. And then there's a physical consequence,

448
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, like your blood pressure goes up and your

449
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: heart rate increases, and your sympathetic nervous system, which is

450
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: fight or flight, switches on and all these things that oh,

451
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: now I'm sad, or now I'm anxious or And the

452
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: genesis of that was me telling you a thing. So

453
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 1: all interacts all the time, and so the challenge in

454
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: managing our body is really how do I manage my thoughts?

455
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: Well, I was concerned when I was going through that

456
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: stress as to the physical effects that it was having

457
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: on my body, because I did learn something from you

458
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: all those years ago when you.

459
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: Used to train me.

460
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: You know, you do need to look after your physical

461
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: body because everything comes from what you're able to do

462
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: each day and what you're able to get to. But yeah,

463
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: there were some weird consequences. I actually cracked a tooth,

464
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: which I have no awareness of doing, but the dentist

465
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: said that I was probably like biting my jaw down

466
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: so hard in my sleep.

467
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: You know. It's things like that, and that just made

468
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: me annoyed.

469
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't even know I was doing that,

470
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: and I was annoyed that I had been put in a.

471
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: Situation where I was so stressed that that had happened.

472
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: I had this weird pain.

473
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: I actually thought I must have had a pendicitist or something,

474
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: but it turned out it was just.

475
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: What is it the babies get, like a.

476
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: Colic or something, which was a result of just whatever

477
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: those stress hormones that were going through my body, and

478
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: I was angry that they were there. I was thinking,

479
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: get out of my body. I'm doing everything I can

480
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: to try and let this stress go. Let the whole thing,

481
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: the whole radio, everything that was that go. And I

482
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: think I'm past it now, but yeah, it was like

483
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: I just couldn't get it out of my life fast.

484
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: Can I tell you how I kind of how I

485
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: came from that, because I really was on my knees

486
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: And there are moments now where something will happen or

487
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: something will say something, and I come undone again and I'll.

488
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: Disolve in tears very easily.

489
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: One was a guy who wanted to interview me on

490
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: a It was a podcast about radio people in radio,

491
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: and I really just did not want to talk about

492
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: radio because it had hurt me so badly, and he

493
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: was such a nice guy, and I felt sorry. I

494
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: kept saying, putting him off, putting him off, and in

495
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: the end I said, okay then, and I had to

496
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: because I forget what I've done and I'm terrible with

497
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: dates and all that stuff, but I have kept everything

498
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: in scrapbooks.

499
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: So I got out my scrap books of my.

500
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: Whole radio career and was just sort of flicking through

501
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: to remind myself, Oh yeah, I interviewed that person and

502
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: I remember, you know.

503
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: That show and stuff like that. And as I was

504
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: going through it, I thought, I mean, I did quite

505
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: a bit of stuff. I actually a bit of stuff.

506
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: But the realization that helped me was that no one

507
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: can take that away.

508
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: My record stands.

509
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: So that was part of divorcing myself from what you

510
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: mentioned a moment ago. My identity was as that radio person,

511
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, no one can take away what

512
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: my achievements were. And I then also reminded myself, I

513
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: know I've always done right by the people I've worked with,

514
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: and all of my friendships with colleagues. I can't think

515
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: of a single colleague that I don't still have a

516
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: friendship with or that we don't have a good relationship still.

517
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: So I've still got all the friendships and the relationships

518
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: with people I worked with. And I started to see

519
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: things from a different perspective.

520
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: Instead of thinking, oh.

521
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: God, I've lost all of that, I started to think, well,

522
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: hang on, let's see all the things that I have

523
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: got left. So there was my record, there was the

524
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: professional relationships. I consider myself very lucky that even though

525
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: it's radio, most people don't know what you look like.

526
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: But you know, occasionally I'll go up to the supermarket

527
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: and someone will tap me on the shoulder and say,

528
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: oh I really miss your show or.

529
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: I enjoyed your show. It's just a little moment.

530
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: But those things lift me and I absorb them and

531
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: I'll take that and that they helped to heal the

532
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 3: hurt that was done.

533
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: But probably the biggest thing for me, and just stop

534
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: me if I'm talking too much, it's your podcast.

535
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Keep on.

536
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: Well.

537
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: The thing that really helped me was having a new purpose.

538
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: And if you'll forgive me mentioning a podcast that I've

539
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: been working on on my show. I used to have

540
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: a guy, a former homicide detective by the name of

541
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: Charlie Bazino, was a regular on my show and he

542
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: would come on and talk.

543
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: About crime once a week and just a great guy.

544
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: And one time he came on, he brought a guy

545
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: called Daryl Floyd on to be interviewed, and Darryl back

546
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five, his brother went missing. His brother

547
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: was only twelve and Daryl was ten at the time,

548
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: and Darrel has spent his entire life looking for his brother,

549
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: trying to find his body.

550
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: He's pretty sure he knows where it is. It's in

551
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: a gold mine.

552
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 3: In Mirovoka, and he's digging in that gold mine and

553
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: has been for many years trying to find his brother's remains.

554
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: And the person who he believes is responsible for his

555
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: brother going missing is still alive. So Charlie came to

556
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: me and I interviewed Daryl on my show and I

557
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: was just sort of really moved by his story. But

558
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: after my job ended, I notice how I still have

559
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: trouble saying I was sacked. But that's just how that

560
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: helps me get through it. Charlie said to me, have

561
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: a look at this case again and see what you think.

562
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: And so I did, and the more and more I

563
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: read about it, I thought, this is a massive, massive

564
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: by police and there's a lot of injustice in this story.

565
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: And I also think that this story can be solved,

566
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: and that's something Charlie has sat one hundred percent.

567
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 2: So I then focused.

568
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: On investigating researching the story, and the last probably eighteen

569
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: months to two years have been creating this podcast if

570
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: you want to listen, it's called The Boy and the

571
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: gold Mine. And knowing that and I'm not making any

572
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: money from it, it's all been a labor of love

573
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: from my perspective, but I have found it so satisfying

574
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: that I'm doing something good to help this person who

575
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: has been so poorly treated by the authorities and by

576
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: life itself. It's given me purpose, It's given me something

577
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: to do, something to create that I can be satisfied

578
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: I've done my best. I'm really proud of what I've created,

579
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: and that has probably been the biggest thing, apart from

580
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: family and the love of those around me, in helping

581
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: me get back on my feet again.

582
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: And I have to say, quite honestly, right now, I

583
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: feel quite content with my life, which is a long

584
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: way from where I was.

585
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: If you spoke to me two years ago, I literally

586
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: couldn't speak. I couldn't speak. No, I couldn't talk for

587
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: two or three days. I couldn't speak.

588
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: How answer as much or as little as you want,

589
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: but what you know, how did you process that emotionally

590
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: and mentally over the first two or three months? Did

591
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: you when you finally could talk, did you talk about it?

592
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Did you do therapy? Did you punch the walls? Did

593
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: you what? Did scream into a pillow? How did you

594
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: start to decompress and deal with that? If you did, Yeah, no,

595
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: I did.

596
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: And it took me probably a couple of weeks before

597
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: I gathered myself enough to say I need help. I

598
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: need someone to help me process this like i've you know,

599
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm making it sound like I was under the dinner.

600
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: I was, And I was getting up every.

601
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: Day and going about my life, and I kept doing

602
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: the things that I knew would just give me maximum health.

603
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: At the time, I was trying to make sure that

604
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: I was sleeping. I don't like taking sleeping tablets, but

605
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: I was using sleeping tablets at that time just to

606
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: make sure that I was getting sleep, because I strongly

607
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: believe that getting a good night's sleep is really important

608
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: to setting you up to deal with.

609
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: The day that comes. I was eating as healthily as

610
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: I could.

611
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: I was making sure that I was getting outside in

612
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: nature and walking each day to try and walk away

613
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: the stress. So I did all those physical things. But

614
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: there was a point after a couple of weeks where

615
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: I realized I wasn't being cured, and so I spoke

616
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: to a counselor, and I think I may have had

617
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: three or four sessions in the end, and the woman

618
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: who was my counselor, I actually specifically chose someone who

619
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: wasn't in Victoria, which is where I was going to air.

620
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: She was in another states, which meant that she had

621
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: no clue of who I was, or what my job was,

622
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: or what my media profile was at the time, because

623
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to just be a lady who was a

624
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: bit damaged at that point, and she was actually and

625
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm not really a very spiritual person, but in some

626
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: ways I am. Maybe I'm not religious, but maybe I

627
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: am a little bit spiritual.

628
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: But she was quite spiritual. But we really connected.

629
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: I just lucked out that she was very gentle, and

630
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: she gave me a few little droplets that helped me

631
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: to process what I was going through. One of the

632
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: things was that I felt quite betrayed by someone in

633
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 3: management who, you know, on the very day that they

634
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: let me go, was being my buddy in the corridor.

635
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: And then that night bang and I just remember I

636
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: said to her, I thought he was my friend.

637
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: She said to me, he was never your friend, you.

638
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: Know, So it was just a a few things she

639
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: said like that that kind of gave me the tools

640
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: to unpack what it was that was bothering me so much.

641
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: And I mean other things I did.

642
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: I just said to stop listening to radio full stop,

643
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: which is why I love podcasts like yours, because podcasts

644
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: are everything.

645
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Instead of radio. But yeah, I.

646
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: Would highly recommend to anyone to speak to a professional

647
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: if you're struggling. It's not a weak thing to do.

648
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: It's not a hairy, fairy, strange thing to do. It's

649
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: actually one of the best things you can do to

650
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 3: speak to another person who can empathize and sympathize and

651
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: give you some suggestions on how you can work your

652
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: way through whatever it is your trauma.

653
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Is that you can get through it.

654
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I love that, Thanks for sharing that. It's funny when

655
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: you say that how your therapist said he was never

656
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: your friend. I'm how do I say this like there's

657
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: no self pity in this or like my life's great.

658
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm very blessed and lucky. But I've had a lot

659
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: of people over the years who I like my bestie

660
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: until I'm no use to them anymore, you know what

661
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, oh, it's their role playing friendship.

662
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden the thing that I was,

663
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: the doors that I was opening, the help, the assistance.

664
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: When I can't do that or they've got everything, then

665
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: they kind of vanish. I've also got beautiful, amazing people, right,

666
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: But like I have a litmus test for friendship, and

667
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: it's like this is my test. One do they say

668
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: nice things behind my back? Like when I'm not around,

669
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: are they you know? Two? Is my life better with

670
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: the minute? Now? Like? Is my life better because dds

671
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: in my life? Like that's a you know, if I'm

672
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: not around and DD is talking about I don't know,

673
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: but I would I'm pretty sure you might be saying

674
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: positive things. And then the other thing is would they

675
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: still want me to be in their lif I feef

676
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: f I'm no value to them, like no strategic value,

677
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. I don't mean that

678
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm not supportive of but it's like, you know, like

679
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what people call friendships are

680
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: almost like a strategic alliance. Yeah, okay, where either one

681
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: side or both sides there's some there's some benefit other

682
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: than other than just the normal you know, emotional, psychological

683
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: or sociological benefits of friendship. But I mean more like

684
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: a more like a career kind of leverage or financial,

685
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, incentive or something like that. So I also

686
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: think if you've got five people in the world, no

687
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: three other than your family, but three people in the

688
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: world who are like your ride or die, you could

689
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: ring that person anytime, anytime and just go I need

690
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: you to come over, and they're like, I'm on my way.

691
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm on my way. Yeah, not like after

692
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: these it's just like, yep, I'm coming. I'll see in

693
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: ten minutes.

694
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's.

695
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you on that.

696
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: And I've got a best best friend. But then I've

697
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: got this circle of friends and I was actually one

698
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: of them, had a birthday just recently, and I was

699
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: in this room of all these incredible women, and I

700
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: just thought, I know that any one of these women

701
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: I could call if I was having a problem of

702
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: some sort and that they would jump and offered help.

703
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: And I do think women do it very well. I

704
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: think men are getting so much better at it.

705
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: You know. I look at my husband, and he's.

706
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: Great, and we talk about everything, and we support each

707
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: other and share what we're thinking and feeling.

708
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: But I also know that he plays golf once a

709
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: week with this group of guys, and you know, they're

710
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: a pack of wrap bags, but I love them. They're

711
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: lovable rogues. But what they do is they talk, you know.

712
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: And I think for guys golf or playing some sort

713
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: of sport, or having some sort of a place where

714
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: you can get together with your.

715
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Bros and talk about stuff.

716
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of considered to be a female

717
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: thing that we sit in gossip, But I think men

718
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: are just as willing to do that, to chat over

719
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: things with their pals. And I've personally seen with my

720
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: husband and with some of his mates, how these guys

721
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: have been able to help each other through. And I

722
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: can tell sometimes when Kira, and my husband comes home,

723
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, and he's having a few tests and things

724
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: done on his heart at the moment. And he came

725
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: home and he said, oh, I can't think which of

726
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: the guys it was.

727
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: One of the bros.

728
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh, he also had the same thing. And I thought, well,

729
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: that's just in the back of my mind thought, well,

730
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: that's good. He's obviously talking to the guys about what

731
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 3: he's dealing with at the moment. These tests is having done.

732
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: He's obviously worried. He's run it past the guys. One

733
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: of the guys has sivia. I had that too. Here's

734
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: how it worked out for me. So I think that

735
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: having that friendship circle like you just said, and I'll

736
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: go for more than three. I like having tons. The

737
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: more you can get, the merrier, But the more people

738
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: that you can kind of share the load with, spread

739
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: the load, because to me, that's what friendship feels like.

740
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: And I don't like to sound like I'm like a

741
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: heavy weight hanging off all my friends next, but I

742
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: think they know that they could do the same with me.

743
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: You know, That's what a friendship is when there's that

744
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: balance doesn't always have to be sometimes, you know, in

745
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: your own friendships that perhaps you're giving a little.

746
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: Bit more than the other person is.

747
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: And that's when, like you said, you start to think, oh,

748
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: is this person making my life better? Sometimes the balance

749
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: is out, But proper good friends, I think I kind

750
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: of keep that little ledger in their mind. And if

751
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: you've got that with anyone, that's worth gold.

752
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting, Like this is a weird lap, right,

753
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: but like the way that depending on who you listen to,

754
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: whether or not you listen to the creation people or

755
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: the evolution people, but you know, sociologists and the like

756
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: suggests that we've been An anthropologist suggests that we've been

757
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: around as a modern kind of species for three hundred

758
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: thousand years. And you think about for most of that

759
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: evolutionary timeline, we haven't lived like we live now, Like

760
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: we haven't like look at you, You and I are

761
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: in different places having a real time conversation, you know,

762
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: Like we didn't live in high rises, and we didn't

763
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: have cars and planes, and we didn't have electricity, and

764
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: we didn't have fridges. Like ninety nine point nine to

765
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: nine percent of people who have ever lived didn't have

766
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: all the amazing shit that we've got and they lived

767
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: in They lived basically in tribes. And there was a sociologist.

768
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: His name is Dunbar I forget his first name, but anyway,

769
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: he built this. He created this theory around this idea

770
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: of what is the ideal number of people to have

771
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: in your community, because people used to live in communities,

772
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: and the ideal number was about one hundred and fifty,

773
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: where you know about one hundred and fifty people, and

774
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: you get on with about one hundred and fifty people,

775
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and there's people within that community who

776
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: all are good at different things and will serve each

777
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: other in different ways. And now it's just like the

778
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: world is so you know, vast, and access to so

779
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: many people is so easy, and it's almost like sometimes

780
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: it can be overwhelmed. And I think when you turn

781
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: down the volume on all the noise and you just

782
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: go and hang out with your friends and turn everything

783
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: off and just plug into another human or group of

784
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: humans and get away from the mayhem of you know,

785
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: whatever social media or whatever external noise, it's like, oh, yeah,

786
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: this is this is what humans are meant to do.

787
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: When men can be together, the.

788
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: Interaction, you know, And I have to say, if I

789
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: do miss anything, really enough, mostly gotten over.

790
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Not doing radio anymore, but I missed that interaction.

791
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: I've mostly gotten over getting the sack. Come on, say

792
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: it I gotten over.

793
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: Well, technically they just didn't renew my contract. Is that sacking?

794
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: I suppose it is. But also the interactions we're having

795
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: with people.

796
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: And I absolutely agree with what you're saying that human

797
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: interaction is everything. But these days, so much of the

798
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: interaction is a click.

799
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: On a keyboard.

800
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's not and that's not real, and people

801
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: think it's real, and it's not so to me sometimes

802
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: without sounding silly, you know, just popping up to the

803
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 3: supermarket and bumping into someone that I know, or one

804
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: of the mums that used to go to the kids

805
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: went to school with my kids. Hang on, that sentence

806
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: didn't come out right. Their kids went to school with

807
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: my kids. You know, just those human interactions, they're so

808
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: important and it's something. So my parents are both still alive.

809
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: Dad's eighty eight, mum's eighty six. Mum's got dementia. Dad's

810
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: doing Dad's still got all his faculties and he's looking

811
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: after her. But what it means is he can't have

812
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: a conversation with her because she can't keep.

813
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: A thought in her head.

814
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: She's still fine, she still potters around the house and stuff,

815
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: but he can't have a.

816
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: Conversation with her.

817
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: So I have to make an effort to make sure

818
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: that I talk to him so that he's got someone

819
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: to just discuss everyday life things with because he doesn't

820
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: have that. He's effectively isolated, even though he's living in

821
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: a home with the woman that he's loved his entire life.

822
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Because of that reason, you need to have interaction with people.

823
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, this is the reason people go to the foot,

824
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: isn't it so that you can cheer when there's a

825
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: goal with all these tens of thousands of people you

826
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: don't know. Human beings want to be together with their tribe,

827
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: together with people who they know, they think and feel

828
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: and empathize with.

829
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: We need that. That's that's why, that's part of why

830
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: we're here on this earth.

831
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: We need that kinship of being with people who are

832
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: like ours.

833
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: I totally agree, I'm boring.

834
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Is this is this?

835
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: No? No, this is what this is. This is what

836
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: we do on the year project. Do you know what

837
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I think I was going to say this to you?

838
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Off air listeners listeners. I'm opening the door. I was

839
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: going to have this conversation with DD when we're done,

840
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: but I'm going to have it now because I want

841
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: to include you. This could be wildly inappropriate. I think you, like,

842
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: it is so easy to do a podcast now. Right now,

843
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: I know that you're doing The Boy in the gold Mine,

844
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: which is a love project, and it's beautiful and it's amazing.

845
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody, I'm full disclosed, I haven't

846
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: listened to it, but I'm going to start to listen

847
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: to it because I only just became aware of it.

848
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: So I'm recommending you have a listener as well. But

849
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: like I'm sitting in my office now, I am to

850
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: view people every day all over the world, all kinds

851
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: of people. We have meaningful dialogues like this, and it's

852
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: so easy to you know, if you've got a decent

853
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: a decent computer and a decent mic and a quiet room,

854
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: you can do what I'm doing right now, and you're

855
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: doing right now, and even like I'm listening to your

856
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: audio and you're talking on your phone and the quality

857
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: of the audio is amazing. Right, you need your own podcast,

858
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: like one hour a day, Like I really think that

859
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: you could. And just like with the You Project, we

860
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: I've told this story many times for the first six

861
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: hundred episodes. Six hundred by the way, I made fucking

862
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: no dollars zero, and I loved it because I was

863
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it would take you nowhere near that, of course,

864
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: but just building, you know, where you get to the

865
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: point where, oh, I know how to do this now

866
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: I understand the process and the science and the tech

867
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: and the you know, the whole you know. I just

868
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: think that it would be great for you to have

869
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: your own and whether or not it was once a

870
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: week or you know, three days a week or seven

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: days a week, or you record a bunch of shows

872
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: on one day and then take the I just think

873
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: with your skills and your communication, and also, if I'm

874
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: being honest, I think of all the fucking people you know.

875
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do a year of programs just

876
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: off the people that you personally know.

877
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Do you know what?

878
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: And like one of the things that as I'm sitting

879
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: listening to you and you you don't know how this

880
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: show works, right, So I'm telling you in real time

881
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't involve the listeners, but fuck it, everyone just

882
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: lean in.

883
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh gee, that makes them feel special. Fucked a lot

884
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: of you.

885
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: Craig is just going to go broke and see whatever

886
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: he wants his show.

887
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Have you ever said have you ever

888
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: said fuck on a podcast or any broadcast?

889
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: Oh yes I have.

890
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no I'm terrible and yeah I've done some very

891
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 3: inappropriate things.

892
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: But don't tell anyone.

893
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: But it's like, I have regulars on the show, so

894
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: we have people that so we have all our unique

895
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: guests that come like this is your first time. But

896
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: I also have a bunch of people who are really

897
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: good at what they do when they come on once

898
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: a month or once a fortnight or once every two months.

899
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: So I have a guy that comes on every fortnight

900
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: and we loosely talk about technology. And there's a guy

901
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: called David Gillespie who's a maybe Australia's biggest selling author,

902
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: who wrote A Sweet Poison and a myriad of other

903
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: great books. He's a lawyer by qualification. He comes on

904
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: once every two weeks. He's brilliant. But yeah, I just

905
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you miss being

906
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: on mic and talking to people, But if anyone's ready

907
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: to just step into this space and kill it quite quickly.

908
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: And I know that's not what you're about, but you

909
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: could definitely do something from home. You don't have to

910
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: go anywhere. It'd be I can organize someone to help

911
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: you sort the tech and the production quite easily for

912
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: fuck all, you know. So anyway, that's my thoughts. Have

913
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: you thought about doing your own thing.

914
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: I've never been very comfortable with the spotlight being on me,

915
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: which I know it wouldn't be because I'd be speaking

916
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 2: to different people.

917
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: And firstly, I'm genuinely flattened by what you're saying. It

918
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: kind of if I'm really being honest, it's like a

919
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: little stab in my heart thinking what you're describing is

920
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: me being doing what I was doing, being on radio,

921
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: talking to people, understanding, listening to.

922
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: Them, learning, giving my thoughts. That's what I was doing.

923
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: And and you know, apologies to anyone if this sounds vulgar,

924
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: but I was good at what I did.

925
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: I was good at it, and thank you for about

926
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: being though.

927
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: But you still are like you're and I know you're

928
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: not doing that right now, but it's like me gone,

929
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: I was a good trainer now I'm still a really

930
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: fucking good trainer, and I don't.

931
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: Say something we're a good trainer, except you were mean

932
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: sometimes to me.

933
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: That's what made me a good trainer because you No,

934
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: that may go because you were soft, bro. No, you're welcome. No, no, no.

935
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: I did have very good abs.

936
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: In fact, when I got do you remember I stopped

937
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: coming to you because I got pregnant?

938
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: In fact, I think I trained with you through my

939
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: first pregnancy. But I can remember them in the.

940
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: Birthing suite disapproving of my abs because they were too tight.

941
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: They said you it was it was me And I

942
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: actually tore right down the middle of my abs because

943
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: it was too tight from.

944
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 2: All the work you maybe do. How did we get

945
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: around to that?

946
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: So so what you're blaming me is your painful pregnancy.

947
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: Was my fault. Yes, we got there.

948
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: No, I'm listening to what you're saying, and maybe one day.

949
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm not quite there yet.

950
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: So I've been really comfortable making the podcast that I've

951
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: been making because it's about someone.

952
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: It's a story, it's.

953
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: It's a quest for me, it's a desire to see justice,

954
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: to see an outcome.

955
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: So that's why I've been okay doing that.

956
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: And once it's done, or it reaches its natural conclusion.

957
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: I will think about it because I miss talking to people,

958
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: or no, I've always missed people talking to me. People

959
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: always with radio would say to me my most recent

960
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: radio show was three hours, and people would say, how

961
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: do you get talk for three hours?

962
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: And I would say, it's actually, that's not the hard part.

963
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: The hard part.

964
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: Is that you've got to listen for three hours and

965
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: don't just be thinking about what you're going to say.

966
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: You've got to listen to what people are saying to.

967
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: You so you can respond a learn from them and

968
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 3: have a proper conversation and keep the doors open. Let

969
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: people talk to you that don't agree with you, because

970
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: that's where the growth comes from.

971
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: So Craig, one day, maybe I will.

972
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: I do have a recording desk I've got I don't

973
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: have a mic, but yeah, I have the means to

974
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: do it. I just at the moment, I haven't got

975
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: the will to do it because I'm still even though

976
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: it's two years, i still.

977
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: Feel like I.

978
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: Was effectively told by a bunch of faceless men in

979
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: another capital city that I wasn't good enough, And.

980
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Even though in my heart I know they were wrong.

981
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 3: I'm still stung by that. There's probably a little part

982
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: of that is still in me thinking you're not good enough,

983
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: and I need to get over that. I need to

984
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: make the podcasts that I've done enough of a success

985
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: and it has been going well.

986
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: And.

987
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 3: That will help me reach the point that you're encouraging

988
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: me to step toward.

989
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe I just think you And this is

990
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: not me trying to make you feel good, like I've

991
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: I've worked with you on radio little tiny bit at

992
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: gold FM, Yeah, very very you know, I'd stick my

993
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: face in every now and then and we chat. But

994
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're not You're not pretty good at it.

995
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: You're like literally the best you know and that skill

996
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: and that knowledge doesn't go away, like and you don't need,

997
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: you don't need the approval of people you don't know.

998
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: And this is such a human thing, is that one

999
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: hundred people go you're great, and one funck with goes

1000
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: you're not. And we give all our power to the

1001
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: one fuck with, you know, And so like when I

1002
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: I I've spoken about you to many people over the time,

1003
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: over my time and gone like you and Grubby and

1004
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: your heyday, you by yourself just fucking amazing and outstanding

1005
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: and that that doesn't go away. It's not like footy

1006
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: where you've got to use by date, you know, although

1007
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: some people who are the decision makers might think that.

1008
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, I just said to everyone, I'm a

1009
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: free trying to be not but it is it. I

1010
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: want to go punch them in the face for you,

1011
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: but that probably won't. Can I just ask one thing

1012
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: pursuant to that, pursuant to that you're on it, not

1013
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: the face punching. Did you ever get did you ever

1014
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: get a did you ever get a rationale? It's like, yeah,

1015
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: well you're number one and you're killing it, but we're

1016
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: getting like, was there any you know, shudo explanation?

1017
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 3: Well, because the brave men who made the decision didn't

1018
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 3: have the bravery to actually tell me to my face,

1019
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: and like I said, they were in another city, I.

1020
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: Did make a call.

1021
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: And because you know, I think human beings we want,

1022
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: we need to process stuff, we need to understand. And

1023
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: I think that's why there is such an appetite for

1024
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: true crime at the moment, whether it's TV shows or

1025
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: podcasts or whatever.

1026
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: People are problem solvers. We need to go oh, why

1027
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: did that happen?

1028
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: We need to sort it out so that I think,

1029
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I think it's almost like it's a big dress rehearsal.

1030
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: We're in our heads going, oh, if that happened to me,

1031
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: how would I deal with it?

1032
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: And so I needed to know why it had.

1033
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: Happened so that I could process it and move on,

1034
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: you know. If they were going I think I think

1035
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: probably what I wanted to hear was something along the

1036
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: lines of, oh, well, we've done some private research.

1037
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: And you've come up really badly.

1038
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: You know, it turns out that women between forty and

1039
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: fifty don't like listening to you. Or I wanted something

1040
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: and all that I had to ring them, and one

1041
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 3: of them.

1042
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: In particular, the best that he could give me was.

1043
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: We were all we were looking, you know, two years

1044
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: down the track and thinking, oh, you're part of our plans.

1045
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: Probably not so, I mean, that's not an explanation. No,

1046
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: I've never had an explanation, No one ever has. And

1047
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't feel in clid to speak to them ever again.

1048
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: I'd love to, maybe one day down the track, speak

1049
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: to them and just ask one of them what.

1050
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: I think.

1051
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: One of the things crag that I and this was

1052
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: early and this was back with.

1053
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: The counselor that I spoke to. That I became clear

1054
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: on was I didn't do anything wrong.

1055
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything wrong, and it can't have been

1056
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: based on there was never And I think that was

1057
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: probably something that was in the.

1058
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: Back of my mind.

1059
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: I thought, oh gosh, because it was quite a shock

1060
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: to people, and it was a shock to me, and

1061
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: it was a shock to the audience, and I thought, oh,

1062
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: I hope people don't think that.

1063
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: You know, there was some mysterious behind the scenes.

1064
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: You know, I'd been caught drink diving and they didn't

1065
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: like I don't drink for the record, you know that

1066
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: there was some terrible scandal and they'd had to swush

1067
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: me out of the building.

1068
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: There never was.

1069
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: There was literally nothing like I am such a goodiejoo shoes,

1070
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: I was such a hard worker, and.

1071
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: I've lost my train of thought.

1072
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: But I never had an explanation as to why it happened.

1073
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: But I was able to realize it was nothing that

1074
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: I did nothing, Yeah, it was it was just it

1075
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: looks can I put on my.

1076
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Coach's hat and my friend and you might not like

1077
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say?

1078
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't make me cry, Yeah, God.

1079
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: They're not they're not thinking about you. You're taking too

1080
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: much about them, Like, fuck them, Like you're still hour

1081
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: like this, all this rumination and all this emotion and

1082
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: all this energy that you're investing in them. I understand it,

1083
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: but it's so fucking bad for you, all right, And

1084
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: you don't need to have a conversation with them. Fuck them.

1085
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: You need to find a way to put that in

1086
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: a big kind of treasure chest, walk it to the

1087
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: edge of an emotional cliff and throw that shit over.

1088
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Easier said than done. And I know I sound like

1089
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, but yeah.

1090
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 2: Like unnecessarily angry Craig, You've got to calm that down.

1091
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: It makes me sad to see that you're so bothered

1092
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: by these people that whatever for whatever reason, you know,

1093
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: they don't know whatever, And it's but.

1094
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: At the same time, it's their business. It's their radio station.

1095
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: They're allowed to have working there who they want. They

1096
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: wanted to change the lineup, that's that's fine. If they

1097
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: wanted to do that, if they want to have someone

1098
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: different in there, that's their choice, and they can bear

1099
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: the consequences of whether they've made the right choice or not.

1100
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: For the record, No they didn't.

1101
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: But did the ratings go down when you left?

1102
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh? They went down, Craig, and they're continuing to go down.

1103
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: But I won't dance on anyone's great. That would be unkind. Now, look, ironically.

1104
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Bring that up at all, ironically, Three, I w suffering

1105
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: your jobs.

1106
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Don't be mean. No, Look ironically my in my shift.

1107
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 3: And I don't know if this was the original plan

1108
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 3: or not, but the person who replaced me is actually

1109
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine and a lovely guy. And

1110
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: he was very sweet and he ranged me and he

1111
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: and I fine, And it's you know, I bear no

1112
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: ill will at all toward him, toward him because he's

1113
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: doing the job he's been asked to do. He didn't

1114
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: make the decision. He's just been offered a position that

1115
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: you know I would grab with both hands. Not now

1116
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: he grabbed it with both hands. But yeah, that's a

1117
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: that's a weird already, isn't it.

1118
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, look I'm letting it go. Well it has,

1119
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: it has. And the other point I will make is

1120
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: that time.

1121
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: I know it's a cliche, but time really does heal

1122
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: because peace by piece different.

1123
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: People, you know, it's been valuable for me talking to you.

1124
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: Every time I have a conversation like this, I take away,

1125
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, a droplet or two of something that helps

1126
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: me process what I went through. And that again comes

1127
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: back to and this is something for everyone, the interaction.

1128
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: You know, every time you talk to someone or chat

1129
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 3: to a friend or ask someone how did they deal

1130
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: with something, you pick up something that helps you to

1131
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: deal with what you're going through in your life. So

1132
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: thank you for having me on today to work through stuff.

1133
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying to make you feel good when

1134
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: I say you're great at what you do.

1135
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: Now, No, I do ially love to be Craig as

1136
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: to come on, I've tell you.

1137
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: But that's sorry. Here deal with be right. Champ and

1138
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: I am both too old to do anything about it now.

1139
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know how that happened. Look at us,

1140
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: We had.

1141
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Our moment, didn't we once in the hallway when we crossed?

1142
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: All right, tell people once again the name of it

1143
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: that I'm fucking with you. Tell people the name of

1144
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: the show, and yes, and where they can follow you

1145
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: on socials and all that kind of stuff if you want.

1146
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I've got my own socials, which is just

1147
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: at DD only the audience and Facebook, but the podcast,

1148
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: which I would love people to check out if you

1149
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: are interested in true crime.

1150
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: It's a really heart wrenching story. It's called The.

1151
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: Boy in the gold Mine and you'll find it on

1152
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: Insta at the Boy in the gold Mine. And also

1153
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: there's a Facebook page as well which has got lots

1154
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: of behind the scenes photographs and stuff of evidence and

1155
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: things that are part of the story. So thank you

1156
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 3: for allowing me to give that a mention because it's

1157
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: it's absolutely my passion at the moment.

1158
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it's brilliant and we are. Yeah, jump

1159
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: on the face, Jump on our Facebook page when we

1160
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: have a new project Facebook page which we've got quite

1161
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people on. If you have a listen

1162
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: to do D's potty, jump on there and give us

1163
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of feedback. I'd love because I'm going

1164
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: to have a listen.

1165
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: Please be kind, clearly I'm vulnerable still no no.

1166
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Well, you know it'll be honest. I'm

1167
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: sure it'll be positive. I'm going to have a listen

1168
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: over the weekend because I'm driving to see Ron and Mary,

1169
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: which is four hours in the car, so I'll consume

1170
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: a bit of it. Then we're going to say goodbye

1171
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: if Air you and I. But I love your guts

1172
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that you're in a better place.

1173
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Albeit I think you and I still have some workshopping

1174
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: to do, and you enjoy the rest of your Thursday.

1175
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: Craig, and thank you. I'm so delighted for your success.

1176
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: You've always been such a positive presence in my life.

1177
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: Albeit we haven't been that close over the last few years,

1178
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: but I have such fond memories of training you with

1179
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: you plenty of life.

1180
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 2: You're a good guy. You're one of the good ones.

1181
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: You're a pure heart. So thank you for having me on.

1182
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Thanks lovely,