WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 9 December

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<v Speaker 1>Buying in center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much watching Happy Monday, great hour of television.

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<v Speaker 2>Wisharry good honor for going to the site of the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation we've all been having for the past few days.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get to that in a second. Including major breaking news.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be huge problems for the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister about where he was on Friday night when obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he should have been in the air making his way

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<v Speaker 2>back to Melbourne to visit the people in that synagogue.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, obviously a third of Australia is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>pay off its house. Another third have investment properties that presumably,

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<v Speaker 2>of course are the ones represented by the thirty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are renting. So let's say somewhere between

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<v Speaker 2>half and sixty percent of all houses in Australia are

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<v Speaker 2>focused on interest rates. Under this government, they've gone up

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<v Speaker 2>not once, but twelve times since this bloke became Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>And tomorrow the Reserve Bank has its final chance of

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<v Speaker 2>this year to take some of the pressure off home owners. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the reality is the per capita recession means they should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that, but because the inflation numbers are still

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<v Speaker 2>too high and the inflation numbers that are so called

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<v Speaker 2>coming down are artificially coming down because of things like

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<v Speaker 2>the government using taxpayers money to make it seem like power.

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<v Speaker 3>Bills are coming down.

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Bullet, the Reserve Bank governor, has made it very

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<v Speaker 2>clear that she ain't for budging, So most likely the

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<v Speaker 2>expectation is that nothing happens tomorrow. But I'm indebted to

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<v Speaker 2>the work of the West Australian that broke down some

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<v Speaker 2>numbers which account for the entire country.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Some struggling homeowners have sold their properties after rosing interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates pile an extra thirty eight thousand dollars on top

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<v Speaker 2>of an average loan since twenty twenty two, since this

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<v Speaker 2>mob came to power, an extra thirty eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on top of what you were already paying off. The

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<v Speaker 2>research commission by the West Australian shows that those with

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<v Speaker 2>average sized variable homelands of four hundred and thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand paid a total of sixty five thousand dollars in interest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the first rate hike just before the last federal election.

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve more since the last federal election. The mortgage comparison

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<v Speaker 2>site finder well, they also crunch the numbers to reveal

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<v Speaker 2>that thirty eight thousand dollars is the amount there was

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<v Speaker 2>a result of the cumulative interest rate rises one before

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize was Prime minister, twelve since he's become Prime minister,

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<v Speaker 2>causing a one hundred and forty percent blowout in total repayments.

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<v Speaker 2>Again because of this scenario where core inflation is still

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere near the two to three instead that is a

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<v Speaker 2>little closer to three to four percent, because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole collection of other things that the government has not

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<v Speaker 2>artificially dropped. That's why the expectation is that nothing happens

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and the pain continues.

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<v Speaker 4>A raid cut is not tipped for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, most of the major banks predict we won't

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<v Speaker 5>see any relief until the middle of next year.

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<v Speaker 6>First decision by the Reserve Bank tomorrow. At the last decision,

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<v Speaker 6>market's economy say things are on hold. The big question

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<v Speaker 6>now is when does it really feel conditions in Australia

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<v Speaker 6>are such that it can start the cut rates. What's

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<v Speaker 6>your own sense on that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, I don't think it's going to be for

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<v Speaker 7>a while yet, and I still don't think you can

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<v Speaker 7>rule out the next movement rates paying up.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Warren Hogan has been consistently saying up is

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<v Speaker 2>more likely than down for all of the obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the true financial pressure and pain across millions

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<v Speaker 2>of Australian households. Those who represent to unionized workers selling

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<v Speaker 2>MacManus and the ACTU, well, they are now going directly

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<v Speaker 2>after the Reserve Bank and its governor. Now remember laws

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<v Speaker 2>are passed the Parliament to change the types of people

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<v Speaker 2>who make decisions on the Reserve Bank. This government has

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<v Speaker 2>said that they want union officials, maybe in potentially selling McManus,

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<v Speaker 2>deciding whether interest rates go up or not, and if

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<v Speaker 2>she was in the room, she votes drop them.

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<v Speaker 5>Working people are urging them to cut interest rates. We're

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<v Speaker 5>urging them to do that because too much pressure is

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<v Speaker 5>on Australian working people at the moment, especially those people

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<v Speaker 5>with moregs. And that's because the National Account showed last

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<v Speaker 5>week that half of the cost of living pressures that

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<v Speaker 5>are causing household spending to go backwards is because of

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<v Speaker 5>housing costs, and that is something the RBA can address.

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<v Speaker 5>They can address it in the next two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Likelihood is that they will remain deaf and in part

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<v Speaker 2>because of the actions of the current government to the

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<v Speaker 2>synagogue bobbing in Melbourne, the fire bombing, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>is now referred to as a terrorist incident. Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>was at the facility today. You saw him being interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>by my colleague and friend Charry Markson in the previous hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Wholights of that up at Skye News dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 2>But where's the Prime Minister. That's the alternative prime minister,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the bloke who is currently level when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the preferred prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>But where is the actual Prime Minister?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, losing Canberda day making a series of national security announcements,

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<v Speaker 2>but how could these not have been made from Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got nonsense from the Prime Minister today that the

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<v Speaker 2>only reason he had to go to Canberra was so

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<v Speaker 2>we could have the meetings have to be face to

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<v Speaker 2>face police. We live in a world where it was

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<v Speaker 2>run over the computer for a couple of years. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy pretending that he doesn't have any path to where

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dupton was today earlier than later in the week, is.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is what the Prime Minister had to say

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<v Speaker 2>about why he is punting turning up at the venue

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<v Speaker 2>until later in the week, when I'm assuming that their

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<v Speaker 2>hope is that you are already thinking about the next

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<v Speaker 2>cricket test, not whether the Prime Minister has turned up

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<v Speaker 2>to a national event like this.

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<v Speaker 8>Because I had commitments in Perth. Be very clear, this

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<v Speaker 8>happened very early Friday morning. We've had these meetings today.

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<v Speaker 8>You can only be in the room here in Canberra

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<v Speaker 8>getting national security briefings if you stick to the National

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<v Speaker 8>Security Committee. I had the appointments in Perth. Obviously, I

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<v Speaker 8>was there for three days. That was long a range.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I will trust people like my friend and colleague

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Kretlin to be able to speak to this with

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<v Speaker 2>greater specificity. But remember, until very recently, the Foreign Minister

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia lived in Perth. Before that, the Opposition leader

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Beasley lived in Perth. Presumably there is some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of secure facility for people to be able to make

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<v Speaker 2>the phone calls that the Prime Minister decided to make

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<v Speaker 2>today or to have his face to face meetings today.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason he is delaying turning up at the venue

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<v Speaker 2>is because he wants to make all of these announcements

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<v Speaker 2>as a way of trying to temper what will inevitably

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<v Speaker 2>some of the emotion that will be headed in his

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<v Speaker 2>direction when eventually he turns up. But I'll have a

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<v Speaker 2>feeling that the frustration that has been building for months

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<v Speaker 2>with this Prime Minister, with the whataboutism, with the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty of Islamophobia and anti Semitism. Please But as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, when this Prime Minister should have been on

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<v Speaker 2>his private jet the second he heard about this on

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<v Speaker 2>his way back to Melbourne directly or Canberra then Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister, of course, as you will have heard

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<v Speaker 2>by now, spent about ninety minutes playing tennis. Now is

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<v Speaker 2>he allowed to play tennis? Obviously, But this is the

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<v Speaker 2>bloke who made quite a lot of noise about the

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<v Speaker 2>priorities the previous Prime minister about what was or wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>urgent to go to. Now today he was out and

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<v Speaker 2>about saying I needed to get some exercise. But we

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<v Speaker 2>can park this now because there is some brand new

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<v Speaker 2>reporting from Page Taylor uploaded one minute ago to The

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<v Speaker 2>Australian's website. The Prime Minister did not get on a

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<v Speaker 2>plane because on Friday night, mister Alberanezi was a star

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<v Speaker 2>studded attraction, and he was the main attraction of the

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Labor Business Forum's.

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<v Speaker 3>End of year networking event.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Abernici spent the night with party donors just hours

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<v Speaker 2>before briefings on the fire bombing and called Israeli President

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<v Speaker 2>and the Israeli President over the incident. The Australian understands

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<v Speaker 2>the drinks went for about ninety minutes. The event was

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<v Speaker 2>designed to allow business to pay a premium to have

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<v Speaker 2>access to senior ALP figures such as the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Just before then.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the early hours of the morning we find

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<v Speaker 2>out what has taken place, and even though the time

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<v Speaker 2>zones might be different, news is instantaneous these days, and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly when you are the Prime Minister, news travels even

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<v Speaker 2>faster than at the speed of television, radio, all the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cotterslow Tennis Club confirmed that they were made aware

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday at two pm that the Prime Minister would

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<v Speaker 2>be turning up to play his tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>He arrived at about two point thirty. He stayed for

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<v Speaker 3>two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Now is this the only form of exercise that the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister possibly could have engaged with?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course not. Is this the only thing that he

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<v Speaker 3>needed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the reason he's in Perth is to make money

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<v Speaker 2>for the Labor Party to make announcements like he did

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend post the fire bombing of one and

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<v Speaker 2>a half million dollars to save sculpture, a sculpture by

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<v Speaker 2>the sea. He then creates a scenario that should have

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<v Speaker 2>been able to be done via emergency contact on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone Friday, Saturday or Sunday. He waits to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Canberra on Monday. He then doesn't say when he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be turning up at the very same facility that

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<v Speaker 2>is open to our cameras and the Opposition leader and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore would be open to the Prime Minister. It's about priorities,

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<v Speaker 2>and this Prime Minister knows that ever since the chanting

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<v Speaker 2>on the steps of the Opera House the day after

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<v Speaker 2>the attacks took place in Israel, that there has been

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<v Speaker 2>a problem, one that he has not been willing to

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<v Speaker 2>call out, one that he is pretending is equal on

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<v Speaker 2>all sides. Now again, for people that are half paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>those that are the genuine advocates of the Palestinian community

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<v Speaker 2>who are here in Australia thinking about their people at home,

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<v Speaker 2>or the Jewish community again back in Israel, my issues

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<v Speaker 2>are not with you. The issue here, however, is the

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<v Speaker 2>string of behavior which was evident from that very night

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<v Speaker 2>that people thought they could get away with it, in

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<v Speaker 2>part because the police in New South Wales they told

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<v Speaker 2>us openly, oh, there's just too many people to police.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister did not speak with the same outrage

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<v Speaker 2>that he does if a vote doesn't go his way

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<v Speaker 2>in the Parliament. We can see what the priorities were,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Western Australia it was about saving sculpture by

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<v Speaker 2>the sea and putting off important meetings until after the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition had made the suggestion. Now this is a pattern

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<v Speaker 2>of behavior because we're right back to the worst of

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. After the High Court made its decision about

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<v Speaker 2>the person in definite attention, the Labor government decided to

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<v Speaker 2>release all of those people, and it was the federal

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<v Speaker 2>opposition who were the ones coming up with the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>The government trying to turn around and big shot it

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<v Speaker 2>and pretend that this is my first and final offer.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to change it multiple times because the opposition

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<v Speaker 2>comes up with better ideas. Now this reminds me, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>remember of Alice Springs when we were hot under the

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<v Speaker 2>collar at the start of twenty twenty three, because of

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<v Speaker 2>course there had been all of that, all of those

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<v Speaker 2>problems in and around safety, and you know the story.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister spend more time flying to and from

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<v Speaker 2>than he did on the ground in Alice Springs, and

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<v Speaker 2>in a horrible coincidence, his priority was tennis. Three days

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<v Speaker 2>at the tennis when he should have been in Ala Springs,

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<v Speaker 2>two hours playing tennis with the beg end of town

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<v Speaker 2>in Perth when he should have been on the private

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<v Speaker 2>plane and coming back to at the very least Canberra,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he should have been at the site of

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<v Speaker 2>the fire on Sunday, definitely Monday, but now it's later

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<v Speaker 2>in the week. As for what has actually been stood

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<v Speaker 2>up today, I can't fault what has been stood up today,

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<v Speaker 2>but again it should have been stood up earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>this whole process, let alone earlier this weekend. There is

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<v Speaker 2>now going to be a Federal Police Task Force which

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to travel around the country and start

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<v Speaker 2>to link some of the events that we have all

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<v Speaker 2>been watching in isolation since October twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 9>And today the AFP will expand its remit with the

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<v Speaker 9>support of the Comwealth Government Special Operation Avelite will be

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<v Speaker 9>an agile and experienced squad of canterterrorism investigators who will

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<v Speaker 9>focus on threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish

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<v Speaker 9>community and parliamentarians. In essence, they will be a flying

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<v Speaker 9>squad to deploy nationally to incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, last night I went through chapter in verse

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the polling. All of that remains exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same and has frightened some labor people that I

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<v Speaker 2>know in the past twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Will debate it all again in a couple of moments time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you also know that newspier which we briefly mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>during the show last night, We've had a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>dig through and it shows about how Australians feel about

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister's leadership versus Peter Dutton's. Now good for

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton is that ranked zero to one hundred, forty

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<v Speaker 2>four percent of people say that the Prime Minister is

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<v Speaker 2>decisive and strong sixty percent of people. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred divided by those two people, it's just each

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<v Speaker 2>of them get a score out of one hundred forty

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<v Speaker 2>four percent for albit easy on, decisive and strong sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>For Dutton has a vision for Australia Albanezi fifty six,

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton sixty one. Also here about whether they are likable

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<v Speaker 2>or not, well, that's slightly better for the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty five percent, Peter Dutton at forty and trustworthy

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<v Speaker 2>at forty six to forty one. So that in part

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<v Speaker 2>is where you'll see the election campaign being fought. One

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be strong and decisive with the vision for

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<v Speaker 2>the country. The other's going to be, well, don't you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just want to have a beer?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the more likable is when you've got interest rates

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<v Speaker 2>that have been where they are for the past twelve months,

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.400
<v Speaker 2>cost of living that's been ignored for the best part

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<v Speaker 2>of three years, the third Christmas in a row, where

0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.040
<v Speaker 2>people struggle, three million people this close to homelessness. People

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about how nice you are. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>a phenomena that I wanted to talk about from inside

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<v Speaker 2>the Resolve poll that I noticed yesterday, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to save till today because it deserves its own compensation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a look at the primary vote again,

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<v Speaker 2>what is worrying people is the primary vote of the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party is twenty seven percent. Now, that is down

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<v Speaker 2>six percent on the twenty twenty to election. Now what

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<v Speaker 2>is a concern for the l and P or the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal National Party is that their vote is only up

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<v Speaker 2>two percent. The Greens level one nation up to independence

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<v Speaker 2>they are now up six from the last election, and

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<v Speaker 2>others is down four from nine to five. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>look here. I've seen a massive walk away from the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party. A bit of it goes to the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to show you where people are parking

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<v Speaker 2>their vote. Let's move to the next one here, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>which is people who say they're going to be voting

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<v Speaker 2>independent at the next election. Now, a six percent increase

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<v Speaker 2>means this is new vote on top of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff that's been around in the past. Three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half percent increase in New South Wales, look at

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<v Speaker 2>that number in Victoria. Now the Labor Party vote in

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria is down by almost that margin. And in Queensland,

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<v Speaker 2>where there are no independence Off the top of my head,

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<v Speaker 2>who are even in the Federal Parliament, that vote has

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<v Speaker 2>gone from two percent of the last election to now

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent, up six. Now, of course independent might mean

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<v Speaker 2>lots of things and lots of places to say. In

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales it may well mean the Teals that

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<v Speaker 2>are in the eastern suburbs of Sydney or on the

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<v Speaker 2>northern beaches of Sydney. In the western suburbs, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be people like die Lee. Of course was the kkkiller,

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<v Speaker 2>as communities have had an of Sussex Street or Central

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<v Speaker 2>Casting telling them who should be their representative as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody who is of them being their representative. Independent

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<v Speaker 2>in Victoria, of course, could mean Zoey Daniel in Goldstein,

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<v Speaker 2>or it could be Manique Ryan there in Couyon. Or

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<v Speaker 2>it could also be three new people who pop their

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<v Speaker 2>head up over the weekend and it's a new party

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<v Speaker 2>called the West Party and they are specifically going to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge Labor in seats like Marabanong, which of course is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be up for grabs after Bill Shorten leaves

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<v Speaker 2>the Parliament. So the central question of when we start

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<v Speaker 2>to work out what is going to happen at the

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<v Speaker 2>next federal election is that there is no doubt that

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party vote is absolutely tanking, and in any

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<v Speaker 2>other circumstance you would be talking about the Liberal or

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<v Speaker 2>National Party maybe being able to win ninety plus seats

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<v Speaker 2>when they only need seventy six in the Parliament, like

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<v Speaker 2>a huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of Abbot style tidle wave.

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<v Speaker 2>But because people aren't going directly from Labor to Liberal,

0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.840
<v Speaker 2>people on the center left of politics think, well, these

0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>people are just parking their vote with an independent and

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<v Speaker 2>when worse comet it's to worse. They might vote independent,

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<v Speaker 2>but they'll definitely preference Labor, which is why there has

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<v Speaker 2>to be serious effort at this election from the major

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.520
<v Speaker 2>political parties. But in this case, I would say the

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<v Speaker 2>LNP to be able to affect the change that they want,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Labor Party MPs to lose their seats with

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<v Speaker 2>the ob section with the exception of the Greens, to

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<v Speaker 2>start doing smart preference deals. It's also to educate people

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever you do with your number one vote, your

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<v Speaker 2>number two vote is just as important. Put simply, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are somebody who wants to see the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this government, we've all heard the new version of MAGA

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<v Speaker 2>being make Albow go away. If you want that to happen, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have to preference the LNP is the alternative

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<v Speaker 2>government over the Labor Party, and you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it with greater priority. Otherwise you can end up with

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<v Speaker 2>an independent member of Parliament, and of course that is

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<v Speaker 2>just a recipe for minority disaster in both directions against

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<v Speaker 2>You're right to vote how in which way you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying the lot of us sit here and go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on, look at the fifty to fifty. You'll look

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<v Speaker 2>at the fifty one to forty nine. That calculation is

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<v Speaker 2>based off what happened to the last election with people's preferences.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you've got and if we can bring back

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<v Speaker 2>that graphic guys, which was the independent vote nationally and

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<v Speaker 2>state by state, When you've got huge swayes like one

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<v Speaker 2>in ten or even higher than that, moving two independents

0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:40.240
<v Speaker 2>across the country, particularly in places like Victoria, put a

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<v Speaker 2>pin in that one, because we're going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>work out what does independent mean? Does independent mean deals?

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<v Speaker 2>They'll say that that's what it means, because they are,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the ones with all the media mates. But

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<v Speaker 2>are there a bunch of other localized independence like a

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<v Speaker 2>dial legue that are not on our radar yet? If

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<v Speaker 2>you know a local independent who is running for federal

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament and you think they might be behind the surge

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<v Speaker 2>and the state where you live. Send me an email

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<v Speaker 2>Paultzgunews dot com dot au be fascinated to know what

0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 2>they think about. But also, speaking of polls, let's talk

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 2>about the political parties and at the end of year

0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.919
<v Speaker 2>a performance review about how they have performed. Readers of

0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the Australian Financial Review they were asked about which political

0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 2>party have performed well in the past twelve months. The

0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Labor Party well basically where it's primary voters, with twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six percent of people saying that they had performed well,

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 2>a little under their primary voters. The Coalition at thirty three,

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<v Speaker 2>a little over their primary voters, the Greens at eighteen,

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the Independence again basically where we expect them to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and a collection of people who have no idea what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on at the moment. But there is absolute uniformity here,

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.800
<v Speaker 2>regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum. Which

0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.439
<v Speaker 2>political party or group do you think has done the

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<v Speaker 2>worst job in the past twelve months? The Greens forty

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<v Speaker 2>six percent, forty six percent. Now, of course the Labour

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.200
<v Speaker 2>people think they've done a terrible job because they've gotten

0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the way of many things Labour want to do. Coalition

0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 2>people can't stand them because of course they are the

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.879
<v Speaker 2>nut as at the end of the garden and the

0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.120
<v Speaker 2>headline reads tonight that the Greens are the worst political

0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.160
<v Speaker 2>performance of twenty and twenty four asterisk with the exception

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Primate ministry. We talk on the show a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about school classrooms and disciplining classrooms, and not because

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<v Speaker 2>I want everyone to get a cane and jeezs wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a good when we went to school compared to the

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 2>reality is the kids aren't right. We've discussed that on

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<v Speaker 2>many levels and one of the reasons that our school

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<v Speaker 2>performance has been absolutely ditching, regardless of the money, is

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<v Speaker 2>that we do not empower our teachers to have control

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of the classrooms. A shocking example about what is coming

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<v Speaker 2>their way is, of course, the OECD report that showed

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<v Speaker 2>that when it comes to bad behavior that Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Worst in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And today in the Courier Mail work cover claims for

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<v Speaker 2>physical and mental harm of teachers as well as principles

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<v Speaker 2>is through the roof.

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<v Speaker 3>How's this well?

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<v Speaker 2>The two and a half thousand or two thy four

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred work cover claims have laid bare the shocking number

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 2>of teachers and principles being bitten, kicked, punched, spat on head,

0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>buttered and scratched by students in Queensland schools. Between July one,

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty three and fifteen July twenty four, more than eighteen

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.719
<v Speaker 2>point seven million dollars has been paid out in compensation.

0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.680
<v Speaker 2>The top ten claims alone were worth one point six million,

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<v Speaker 2>with seven of those related to psychological trauma, anxiety or stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Four of the ten were principles. The highest claim was

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars and therese were

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 2>principals ongoing sustained trauma with repeated exposure to occupational violence

0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:40.919
<v Speaker 2>over many months. We need to re empower the teacher

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and the principal to be in charge of their classroom.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of that is when your kid cops of

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<v Speaker 2>punishment from school, you should cop it on the chin.

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<v Speaker 3>Two.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is where we were brought up slightly differently,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there is some method in whatever collective

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>manness there was in the past as gen X kids

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 2>or baby boomer kids, which is that if the school

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 2>gave you a punishment, your mum and dad never turned around.

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.640
<v Speaker 3>And said, well sorry, sorry, what's the teacher's name.

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to.

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Charge up to school and yell at them like a

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.120
<v Speaker 2>mechanic who somehow had bucked up your car. Now you're

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>backed in the teacher, You're backed in what they wanted

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>to do when it came to discipline. That's something that

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<v Speaker 2>definitely needs to be put in place in my view,

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>further into the future here in Australia, let's talk about

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the monarch in King Charles and of course the coronation

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that we celebrated just a couple of years ago. And

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.200
<v Speaker 2>part of being the sovereign the king is that bloody

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 2>big crown that you get to wear. Now this is

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the mega big super one that you don't have to

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 2>wear when you go to Parliament. But King Charles has

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<v Speaker 2>done an interview with some documentary that will be coming

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<v Speaker 2>out sooner rather than later, and he has revealed that

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>he was anxious about his crown and that it would

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 2>wobble on his head during coronation day. So he tells

0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.119
<v Speaker 2>a story about his mum. Well, he remembers that she

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<v Speaker 2>was getting ready to practice with the Sir Edwards crown,

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.200
<v Speaker 2>which was a solid gold old frame. It's the most

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.679
<v Speaker 2>important and sacred of the crown jewels. It's twice as

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 2>heavy as the Imperial Crown, which, as I said, is

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the one that you wear to Parliament. Charles said he

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.880
<v Speaker 2>could vividly recall in the lead up to his mother's coronation.

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 2>He remembers it so well because my sister and I

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 2>had bath time in the evening. My Mamma used to

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 2>come up at bath time wearing the crown to practice,

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 2>because you have to get used to how heavy it is. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>how hea heavy is the crown, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>Etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Strengthen the love to the Australian sporting legend, and I

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 2>mean that literally. She is an Australian legend according to

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 2>the Australian Sports Hall of Fame and anyone else who

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 2>loves Dawn Fraser. Her exploits in and around the Tokyo

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Olympics and other Olympic venues absolutely legendary and a true

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 2>passionate part of the Australian sporting community. And of course

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.919
<v Speaker 2>a boo main girl. Well, she had a fall recently

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 2>at home. She lives up Noosom now I think, and

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>she's deep into her eighties. She had a whole collection

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:56.879
<v Speaker 2>of injuries. She actually ended up going to intensive care

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 2>but she's out of it now. So all the best

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 2>to beautiful Dawn and of course her family. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>we've spoken so much about Donald Trump this year, one

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<v Speaker 2>last thing before we finish up, before the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. We'll have a bit more to say with that,

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<v Speaker 2>Meg and Kelly and Nigel feras is our week rolls on.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that of course was absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>clear was how crazy the media went saying anything they

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<v Speaker 2>could about Donald Trump before the election. This was the

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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<v Speaker 3>But now I realize he's a total fascist.

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<v Speaker 4>He is the most dangerous person to this country, a

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<v Speaker 4>fascist to the core. This afternoon, the Post had taken

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<v Speaker 4>this dramatic step, issuing a full throated, full page, possibly

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.879
<v Speaker 4>unprecedented anti endorsement of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 10>Donald Trump tried to steal our democracy and he's still

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<v Speaker 10>trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of that stuff comes from the cable version of

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<v Speaker 2>NBC MSNBC, so it did raise a few eyebrows. The

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<v Speaker 2>first interview that he has done since that incredible comeback,

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>that incredible election victory more than a month ago, was

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<v Speaker 2>to the Freedware channel version of NBC and Kristen Walker,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the host of Meet the Press, and she

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<v Speaker 2>seems to not have learned any lessons about the media,

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 2>asking stupid questions that clearly are all about trapping the

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<v Speaker 2>bloke when all of that was rejected by the American people.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't have to tell you this because you've talked

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<v Speaker 11>about it. It comes at a time when the country

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 11>is deeply divided, and now you're going to be leading

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<v Speaker 11>this country for the next four years. For the sake

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 11>of unifying this country, will you concede the twenty twenty

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 11>election and turn the page on that chapter. No, you

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<v Speaker 11>want to see childhood vaccines eliminated, so you think Liz

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 11>Cheney should go to jail. Studies show that there is

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<v Speaker 11>no link between vaccines and artism.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, he expressed the reset button. You're exactly where you

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<v Speaker 2>were the day before the election, assuming that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be politically removed from the equation.

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, my apologies have been a little bit woolle

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason. I'm as Crooker's rook with this evening.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on, but we will push through.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we say, don't test, don't tell that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way right, more in a secure on Paul Parray like

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for watching, all right, very excited for his own health.

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Sam Crosby has been told to go upstairs and I

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. This way, nothing catches, but she is. That

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 2>bead's looking good, mate, That beard's looking fantastic. Matt Canavan,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a beard ready for after the election, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what the result is. Loving to see you both,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Sam. I'm going to start with you and

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<v Speaker 2>about my take on what we should be paying a

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 2>little bit more attention to in the polls. Is Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>vote down, Buddy Oath, way down, absolutely enough for it

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>to get smash an election, you bet you. However, coalition

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<v Speaker 2>ever so slightly up, not as close to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're closer to a forty the not they're in a

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<v Speaker 2>better position they were at the last election. Blah blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. But what about that independent factor, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what independent means in Queensland. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that in certain places it means teals and other places

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<v Speaker 2>it means die leegue.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see this?

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<v Speaker 2>And from the Labor perspective, is this the silver lining

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>in the polls that they haven't fully crossed the road yet.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, Paul, I don't know if there's many silver linings

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 7>in those poles that came out today. Look, you are

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 7>a big believer in the detail of these poles. I

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 7>tend to think that they more sort of give you

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<v Speaker 7>a vibe and a general impression of what people are thinking,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's not really worth delving three or four lines

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<v Speaker 7>deep in the data, and you know, Look, to be fair,

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 7>I'll get in before Matt can make the point. I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's telling the government that people are pretty pissed

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 7>off and they want to see them do more and

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<v Speaker 7>do better to address the cost of living crisis that

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 7>I think we all are experiencing. And I think they're

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<v Speaker 7>sending that message loud and clear.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 7>I think they're also saying they're not entirely happy with

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 7>the opposition. They don't want to reward Peter Dutton with

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 7>their vote just yet, and they're unsure. So yeah, that

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 7>might be one of the reasons that they're pumping up

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 7>the tie the Independence and the minor parties. But I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's a sobering message for the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said my friend, I know how hard that is.

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<v Speaker 2>And what your cop saying it. But I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>saying it, and you're calling it straight, and that's why

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>we love you. Matt again, right, I mean we've talked before.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it's one of those moments where I'm wobbling around.

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I've gone into the reeds.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I've gone so far off track that I'm looking into

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the minutia, when the reality is there is a north

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>star and all you can do is keep walking towards

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the north star.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I think you're pretty spot on here, Paul. I

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 10>think people are up for grabs. They're clearly disappointed with

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 10>the current government. They're clearly underwhelmed with what they see

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 10>as an inadequate response I think to the very significant challenges.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 10>I mean, there's no doubt it's very hard time for

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.479
<v Speaker 10>governments to be in charge. Lots of things happening all

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 10>around the world, the challenging recovery from COVID. But the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 10>simple fact is this government hasn't come up to the

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 10>mark of those challenges. It can engine whine all it likes,

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 10>but it comes with the pay grade.

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>It comes with being in government.

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<v Speaker 10>You're tested on whether you can respond to such challenges,

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 10>and clearly this government has been found wanting many times

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 10>on that. So people are up for grabs, and I

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 10>do keep saying of citizens program before, we've got to

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<v Speaker 10>be up to the test then of showing people that

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 10>we've got an alternative. My view is to knock off

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 10>a first term government, you have to have a very

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 10>clear set of differences from the current government, because if

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 10>you're just a small target, if you're too much of

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<v Speaker 10>the same, people are probably going to default back to thinking, well,

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 10>maybe the better the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. So look, that's a challenge for us.

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<v Speaker 10>I've got lots of ideas how we could make those

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<v Speaker 10>differences of just a mere backbench of though Paul the

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 10>smarter people in May rounds. But that's a challenge for us.

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 10>It's up for grabs. People are up for grabs. We

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<v Speaker 10>can definitely win this thing and I don't think we

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 10>should die wanting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you know again one without noticing, though, Matt, which

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>is that when I tell you the reporting of the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian newspaper that after the fire bombing of the synagogue

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>run than the Prime Minister getting his personal plan didn't

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>have to wait for one that was coming out of

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the airport at you know, I in two hours could

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>get on his personal plate flown straight into Melbourne, but

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>of course didn't. Instead, the next day, after going to

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the fundraiser, that's when he calls the tennis club. That's

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>when he having a jolly old time. He'll get round

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>to the national security of everything. This on top of

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>a whole collection of everything from upgrade albow to the

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 2>house to the cost of living stuff. The voice the

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>bloke is absolutely at the other end of where people are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty simple, regardless of whether it was any sort

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>of place of worship when it's been sent on fire,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got the chance to be there, get off

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>your arms and go there as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, it's a pretty simple one, isn't it, Paul. You've

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 10>outlined it well and I think the most important thing

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 10>you've said there is this not the first radio for

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 10>the Prime minister. We saw the same situation with the

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 10>other Springs Laura and Order crisis, where he decided to

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 10>have I think three nights at the tennis. Still lots

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 10>of nights at the tennis, not spend the night now

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 10>the springs. Now he's playing tennis instead of showing leadership

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 10>on a shocking event that's rocked our nation. Look at

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 10>this event alone is unlikely to win, to lose the election.

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 10>But as I say, just seem to have a prime

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 10>minister that misses so many opportunities to show leadership for

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 10>the country, to.

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Build unity among us all at times of this.

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<v Speaker 10>So look, I think a lot of labor people are

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 10>scratching their heads about that, wondering whether the Prime Minister

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 10>is a bit absent minded at the moment. As it

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 10>comes back to me though to say, Look, I can

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 10>wind all night about Anthony Albanezi, but we've just got

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 10>to make sure we get ourselves in order because I

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.239
<v Speaker 10>think this train people deserve a proper choice. I do

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 10>think we need a change of government, and I want

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 10>to not leave anything out in the field in the

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 10>pursuit of delivering that change.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Sam, I'm going to again and maybe

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just whatever the heck is going on inside me

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 2>right now, but there is just again a little moment

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of caution here right that I remember how hardcore myself included.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he doesn't remember what the unemployment rate is

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>all of this and then ultimately, of course irrelevant to

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the to the final outcome. The belief was that those

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 2>who talk about news all day every day were completely

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else than where the people were, which was that

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 2>already made their decision and it didn't matter what happened.

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And again there is no there is no verbal trap

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 2>at the end of this question which results in me

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>pointing and using terms.

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 3>But what do you think.

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>About the series of choices? I mean, is the prom

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>minister right to say, Look, I've dealt with this. The

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>AFP are up and running. I have done everything that's

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 2>been asked to me, perhaps not the exact words at

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the exact time, but I've got there. Or is there

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 2>just the inevitable bad look of things that's really hard

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to deal with.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I think you can analyze these things, you know,

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 7>till the till the cows come home. It generally all

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 7>conflates and contributes to a general feeling. But I think

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 7>over the next couple of months you're going to see

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 7>the contrast between the two leaders be brought into stark relief.

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 7>You know, both parties are going to be saying, on

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 7>the one hand, this is either a choice between from

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 7>the conservative side, has the government done a good job

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 7>and deserved to be re elected or from the government side,

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 7>who do you want Peter Dutton or Anthony Alberinezi. I

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 7>also have to say, you know, Matt just made me think.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 7>Then in one of his earlier answers, I think this

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 7>is also a team question. I think this is a

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 7>question about who's on the front bench and measure them up,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 7>you know, go down the list, and I have to say,

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, who am I to give the

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 7>opposition any advice? But why isn't Matt on the front bench? Yes,

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 7>you know, I think Matt feel free not to respond

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 7>to this choice. You possibly don't want me saying this,

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 7>but Matt is one of the more effective commentators, more

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 7>effective communicators rather in the.

0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Government.

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<v Speaker 7>And I look down the list of people on the

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 7>shadow benches and frankly, with the exception of a couple,

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 7>they're nowhere. They're nowhere compared to the government. So you know,

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 7>I do sort of think the opposition has to get

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 7>its own house in order before they start measuring up

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 7>the curtains in the lodge.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Now, matn what about that for a Christmas card? It's

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>come all the way from you know, Sky News.

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 1>How I need I haven't done. I haven't started Christmas cars.

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>You're on the list, now, mate, you'll get one.

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>He's on the list. I mean, look, are you playing

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 2>a long game? You want to get there, you don't

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>want to get there. All the whole point is is

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 2>it's more fun to be.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 10>Able to I'm quite happy many times, but I'm quite

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 10>happy doing what I'm doing. The main reason I'm I'm

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 10>not not not myself putting my hand up is because

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 10>I don't believe this net zero missions rubbish and the

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 10>government of the government and the opposition to sign up

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 10>to that. And the deal is if you join a cabinet,

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 10>obviously you've got to have solidarity with the decisions. I

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 10>don't agree with it, and I'll keep campaigning against it.

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 10>I mean, last week I just exposed that the carbon

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 10>tax and the government's net zero missions modeling, this is

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 10>their model, the Strategy Market Operators modeling. They show that

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 10>you need a carbon tax of two hundred and sixty

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 10>two dollars in today's dollars to get to net zero

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 10>emissions by twenty fifty. It's absurd, it's mad. They have

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 10>been very sneaking about providing that number to wrench it

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 10>out of them. As a Senate inquiry because once you

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 10>say it, you realize that why are we doing this?

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 10>It's so expensive to everybody to charge a two hundred

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 10>and sixty dollars carbon tax. So that's the main reason

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 10>I'm not just not interested. I want to try and

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 10>fight for the continuation of our manufacturing industry, our global

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 10>energy competitiveness, and I can't do that if I'm muzzled

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 10>by cabinets decided to sign up to this global rubbish.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>There was a headline today had a double check Yes.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Apparently a plan for the government to be able to

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.439
<v Speaker 2>turn down things like your air conditioning because you're using

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>too much power at a time when the rest of

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>the grid needs it. Matt tell me some of the

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>details of how this works, because I know for some

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 2>customers in Queensland this is a deal. But how the

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hell do you end up signing yourself up to these

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>systems and are they opt in opt out? How do

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you end up in this little trap? Because I want

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to stay as far away from it as possible.

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Look to my knowledge, so far they've been opted in.

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 10>There's lots of different companies though around Australia, so there

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 10>can be a variety of different contracts here.

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>But yes, you can. With smart meters these days and smart.

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 10>Home household appliances, you can from a central location control

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 10>your air conditioning, your.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Pool filters, other equipment.

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 10>And notionally, why you would sign up to this is

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 10>that you potentially will get a cheaper electricity rate by

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 10>signing away your rights to manage your own house.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.399
<v Speaker 1>On any given day, so any particular time.

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 10>If if the grid then is over run with demand

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 10>or short supply, you can have your stuff turned off.

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 1>The regulars are already doing this at a wholesale level

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.800
<v Speaker 1>if you like so. Aluminium smelters and factories are often

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>turned down to keep the lights on. They were last

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>week or a week and a half ago down in Sydney.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>That happened.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 10>They signed up to that at a whole sal level

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 10>if you like large users. But the idea is this

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 10>could be rolled out in a household level to individual Australians. Now,

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.320
<v Speaker 10>my view is it seems very strange in a country

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 10>blessed with so many ensuy resources that we.

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Have, why do we need to ration our energy career?

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Is wasn't something we had to do. We just turned

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the light on, Like your dad would get.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 10>Upset that, you know you wasting money with rooms with

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 10>lights on and that, and that was fair enough, but

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 10>it didn't break the bank. You know, you weren't putting

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 10>it risk of your parents' mortgage by leaving a light

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 10>on in your room.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And so I just don't understand.

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.399
<v Speaker 10>To me, it's a clear demonstration of the failings of

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 10>the government's plan to.

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Go to eighty two percent renewables.

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 10>We just can't deliver the kind of lifestyle that our

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 10>parents and grandparents took for granted here and I don't

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 10>want to deliver it well to my kids. That's that's

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 10>not as nice to live in. And I think that

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 10>would be not a nice place to live in. To

0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 10>the government control your own.

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Home, spoken like the true loving father that you are,

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Sam equally loving father. Just these schemes again, if there's

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 2>a little trade off of alue might save something slightly

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. But it is just a little bit creepy,

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 7>No, it is it is a little bit creepy. I

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 7>think central to the promise is that it has to

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 7>be opt in. The second they start trying to make

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.479
<v Speaker 7>this in any way mandatory or take the control away

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 7>from people, is just it's gone. I didn't think this

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 7>was an official government policy, but I might have been.

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Off the mark on that. But look, I mean, you know,

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 1>with some of.

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 10>The state governments so pushing it. No, it's not right.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 10>It's done by the states largely, right, But we talked

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 10>about this before. I mean, you know, central to the

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 10>promise of decarbonizing the grid has to be and you

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 10>know we'll see in ten years time, in fifteen years

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 10>time if this is right. It has to be cleaner, yes,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 10>but also cheaper and reliable. If you can't get that

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 10>holy trinity, then you know people aren't going to aren't

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 10>going to cop it.

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 7>And I know what Matt's going to say. He's going

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 7>to say power prices, blah blah blah. But obviously we

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 7>are on a journey. Obviously we have to find a

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 7>way to replace these aging and decrepit old coal fired

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 7>power plants. So you know, how are we going to

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 7>do that? What's the cheapest and most efficient way to

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 7>do that? But central to that has to be we've

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 7>got to be able to keep the lights on.

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is fascinating new.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Coal fire power stations.

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 10>That's what the CSIRO report today shows that new coal

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 10>is the cheapest you look at the detail. New coal

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 10>is actually the cheapest.

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>A new CEO coming representing the colin and she will

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>have a chat to him a little bit later in

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 2>the week. Shout out by the way to Boyd, Boyd

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>who was called at.

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 3>The last minute round of my joint.

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Never met him before to help fix my conditioning on

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>this super stinky day.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 3>That's the day that it conked Boyd.

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>He was there and it wasn't because of the TV

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and he just a good and decent man. Thank you

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 2>very much. I appreciated. I'll look forward to re mortgaging

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the house to inevitably if jeez, that's expensive, isn't it?

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>The air conditioning business.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 3>That's the one.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:07.720
<v Speaker 2>All these people who decided to go off and become

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 2>marketing majors barger that go and go and pick up

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.879
<v Speaker 2>an amma because there's plenty more cash to be made.

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Boyd, I love your mate, all the best

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 2>of your son as well, who I know Watchers, and

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I look forward to seeing you around the house again

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Time right, quick break.

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Back with more loss to talk about here on Paul

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Murray Live, including winners, loses and a shout.

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<v Speaker 3>Out for the year.

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Here with that none other than the one I should

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>get the product placement out of the way.

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 3>It's how I'm getting through the hour. Sam Crosby and

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 3>with Matt Canavan.

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Love you to see them both here and you get

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>a little mushy at the end here, You guys have

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>been awesome all year. I appreciate the debate. More importantly,

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the friendship both on and off the air.

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I love you, blokes, and I look forward to seeing

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>you again next year. So let's talk about that. There

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 2>are thirty public servants in the Australian government that earned

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>more than one million dollars. Now, Sam, we've heard before.

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, we need to have it all in

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>house because otherwise it ends up being spent on outhouse consultants.

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 2>But this is double what the Prime minister gets paid. Oh,

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but we need to make sure that we pay commercial

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 2>rates to people, so the best possible people in the

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>private sector work for the government sector. No, no, public

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>service is supposed to be partly vocational. Instead we're trying

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to turn around and say no, you know what, double

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I am sick of this logic that results in a

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 2>public servant complicated as the task may be. But the

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister's paid half or sorry about six hundred. Now

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>they get paid a million.

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Come off.

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I could not agree more. Paul.

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 7>A million dollars stretches and breaks the bounds of credulity

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 7>when it comes to public service. The idea is that

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 7>you are meant to be there to serve the public,

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 7>not to get paid commercial rates, you know. And if

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 7>you're going to get paid commercial rates, then don't take

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 7>your public service medal, you know, don't take your Order

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 7>of Australia medal when you're earning essentially you would be

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 7>earning in the private sector. And while we're on it,

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 7>I don't think you should be earning that sort of

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 7>money in the private sector, just by the buy How

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 7>if you're owning a company, and if you're you've invested

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 7>in a company and you're you've built a company out yourself, fine, But.

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>If you're a.

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 7>But if you're you're are.

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>You seeing solinarity forever?

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>My god, that's my gift to you from all of

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 2>us here at BW Yeah.

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 7>Hall, Seriously, you know, how do you justify a million

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 7>dollars a year? It's just crazy.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're linked to profit. I mean, I get

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 2>how in the private sectate you end up there right where,

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>but of course compared to the average work completely with you, right,

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 2>But in terms of those government salaries, wouldn't it be

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to see somebody with a set of stones walking

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to the Parliament and say we're hereby say that every

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>single member of the public service the top rate of

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>pay is peg to that of the Prime Minister. Now,

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of course that would be the department because because we

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 2>have this absurdity where you've got the deep state, the

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 2>public servants, the permanent class in places like who say

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 2>when you walk in as the mining minister or Allen's

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>he going to be for? Oh yeah, we like some

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of that, don't like some of that, slow plow all

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. And they get paid more than you.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 2>And you're the one who's been sent into the room

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>on our behalf.

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 10>Matt, Look, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here.

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 10>I don't really have too much of a problem with

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 10>the pay for good people. I mean, now, joke noble

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 10>is I mean people work at camera about half of them,

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 10>about half of them, and you want the half that

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 10>are working to be paid well and be good leaders.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:36.839
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think we can all get very worked

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 10>up about this. But if you take that table, it's

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 10>about thirty of them, some of a bit of above

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 10>a million, about million to two million. So you look

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 10>at about fifty million dollars there in salaries. This government

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 10>in just two years has increased the size of public

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 10>service service by almost thirty thousand public servants. That's costing

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 10>the Australian tax paid nearly six billion dollars a year.

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 10>More so those that we're going to have a big

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 10>controversy r it's probably on the front page or some

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 10>of the tabloids.

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>That's fifty million.

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 10>The thirty thousand nameless public servants that aren't really I

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 10>suppose as sexy tabloid news is.

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Five billion, one hundred times the cost. That's the issue.

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 10>The issue in the public service is the bloated middle

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 10>management filled with people who do not have a lot of.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Jobs to do with.

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 10>They made up jobs to expand people's empires and that

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 10>is what costs this strange people out of money. So

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 10>if I could hire ten or twenty elon musks who

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 10>know how to run an organization to run.

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 1>It leanly, I do that in a heartbeat.

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 7>But the people that are bloating these middle managements, the

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.919
<v Speaker 7>people that are bloating there and what did you say,

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.800
<v Speaker 7>Empire building, they're the ones getting paid a million bucks.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the problem.

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 10>But that you're not going to fix that by by

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 10>the suggestion that you cap the top people's salary to

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.800
<v Speaker 10>five hundred thousand dollars. That's not to make the difference.

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 10>That's not going to get rid of the blinding, will

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 10>probably just increase it. So, yes, you're going to get the.

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Right people in there. There's noted about that.

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 10>Although the thirty thousand extra public servants, the buck's got

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 10>to stop with the government and the ministers. You've got

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 10>control over your department, how much is allocated to staffing

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<v Speaker 10>where that's where things have to be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, there's no doubt that.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think politicians are underpaid for what they do,

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<v Speaker 10>but I don't think they deserve more pay because I

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<v Speaker 10>agree with you it should be a public service. It

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<v Speaker 10>should be something that you do for a public service.

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<v Speaker 10>In my role, I'm not so sure the leadership of

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<v Speaker 10>public servant departments. I think those days are gone, Paul,

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<v Speaker 10>that we somehow attract people to those roles that are

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<v Speaker 10>some sort of duty bound nature to the commonwealth we

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<v Speaker 10>need to pay for excellently.

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<v Speaker 2>I get so, all right, let us get to it here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not a loser of the year, Sam Crosby win

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<v Speaker 2>or a loser of the year maybe both who stands

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<v Speaker 2>out for you.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't want to do loser of the year. It's

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<v Speaker 7>you know, that's bad, right, Like I like the Democratic

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<v Speaker 7>Party and I don't therefore want to I don't want

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<v Speaker 7>to engage in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wine of the year. You've got to.

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<v Speaker 7>Say, either a combination of Donald Trump, which just hurts

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<v Speaker 7>even more.

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<v Speaker 3>How good say it again?

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<v Speaker 1>Or I mean, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>The other one that is a little bit out of

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<v Speaker 7>left field is the AI chip company in the video

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<v Speaker 7>that I think you've seen. You know, no company in

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<v Speaker 7>economic history, in world history, has ever grown as fast

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<v Speaker 7>as they have in twelve months. I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 7>going to keep going. And I don't own any shares

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<v Speaker 7>in it, just to say we're talking, but I do

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<v Speaker 7>not in anything, just for the record, but watching that

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<v Speaker 7>company just explode in valuation has just been phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, these are people who made a computer chip for

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<v Speaker 2>previously computers using gaming, and then they worked out that

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<v Speaker 2>chip's good for AI. The explosion of AI, the explosion

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<v Speaker 2>of that company to the moon, Matt, who is it

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<v Speaker 2>for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Win or a loser?

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<v Speaker 1>Look at cargo past? Donald Trump is the whinever is Sam?

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<v Speaker 1>Got another one?

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<v Speaker 10>I allowed as a corollary elon Musk there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he put everything on the line.

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<v Speaker 10>There's note if the Democrats were elected, he could have

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<v Speaker 10>faced financial ruin, possibly possibly had serious legal issues on

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<v Speaker 10>his plate as well. But the total opposites have means

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<v Speaker 10>now in the halls of power, companies are up in value.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing turnaround. And the loser.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, I won't pick an individual, but I just think

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<v Speaker 10>the whole work industry, if you like, is the loser,

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<v Speaker 10>which obviously is another consequence of the Trump a bad

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<v Speaker 10>year for work. Trump victory has helped do that. But

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<v Speaker 10>I think just more generally, there's a massive backlash emerging

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<v Speaker 10>among young people in particular against the propaganda being shut

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<v Speaker 10>down their throats, and I think the politicians that don't

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<v Speaker 10>realize that are going to be rudely get rudely awakened

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<v Speaker 10>in the elections to come, because I think there's a

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<v Speaker 10>whole army of young people are just against being served

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<v Speaker 10>rainbow diet day and day out. We just they just

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<v Speaker 10>want to get back to basics. So if you saw

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<v Speaker 10>a poll today show that young people now for young people,

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<v Speaker 10>cost of living is the highest priority. Is taken over

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<v Speaker 10>from climate the last election for the first time since then.

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<v Speaker 10>Things are turning around big time for young people, and

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<v Speaker 10>any political movement where there's worth a salt has to

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<v Speaker 10>move with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you, Sam, You got the last thirty

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<v Speaker 2>This Christmas thirteen and eighteen to Twolves Exelevannam. But thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much, guys, do appreciate it. Merry Christmas all

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<v Speaker 2>the best of your family. Can't wait for a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>An election to year. Next year will be fun and

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the break. Thank you, Lad's appreciated. All right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a show for it night. We'll see you're a getting

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<v Speaker 2>fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>Borrow and I get

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<v Speaker 3>Ready for the lake to bake.