Speaker 1: Buying in center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much watching Happy Monday, great hour of television.
Speaker 2: Wisharry good honor for going to the site of the
Speaker 2: conversation we've all been having for the past few days.
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in a second. Including major breaking news.
Speaker 2: This is going to be huge problems for the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister about where he was on Friday night when obviously
Speaker 2: he should have been in the air making his way
Speaker 2: back to Melbourne to visit the people in that synagogue.
Speaker 2: But first, obviously a third of Australia is trying to
Speaker 2: pay off its house. Another third have investment properties that presumably,
Speaker 2: of course are the ones represented by the thirty percent
Speaker 2: of people who are renting. So let's say somewhere between
Speaker 2: half and sixty percent of all houses in Australia are
Speaker 2: focused on interest rates. Under this government, they've gone up
Speaker 2: not once, but twelve times since this bloke became Prime minister.
Speaker 2: And tomorrow the Reserve Bank has its final chance of
Speaker 2: this year to take some of the pressure off home owners. Now,
Speaker 2: the reality is the per capita recession means they should
Speaker 2: be doing that, but because the inflation numbers are still
Speaker 2: too high and the inflation numbers that are so called
Speaker 2: coming down are artificially coming down because of things like
Speaker 2: the government using taxpayers money to make it seem like power.
Speaker 3: Bills are coming down.
Speaker 2: Michelle Bullet, the Reserve Bank governor, has made it very
Speaker 2: clear that she ain't for budging, So most likely the
Speaker 2: expectation is that nothing happens tomorrow. But I'm indebted to
Speaker 2: the work of the West Australian that broke down some
Speaker 2: numbers which account for the entire country.
Speaker 3: But I have a look at this.
Speaker 2: Some struggling homeowners have sold their properties after rosing interest
Speaker 2: rates pile an extra thirty eight thousand dollars on top
Speaker 2: of an average loan since twenty twenty two, since this
Speaker 2: mob came to power, an extra thirty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 2: on top of what you were already paying off. The
Speaker 2: research commission by the West Australian shows that those with
Speaker 2: average sized variable homelands of four hundred and thirty three
Speaker 2: thousand paid a total of sixty five thousand dollars in interest.
Speaker 2: It's the first rate hike just before the last federal election.
Speaker 2: Twelve more since the last federal election. The mortgage comparison
Speaker 2: site finder well, they also crunch the numbers to reveal
Speaker 2: that thirty eight thousand dollars is the amount there was
Speaker 2: a result of the cumulative interest rate rises one before
Speaker 2: Albanize was Prime minister, twelve since he's become Prime minister,
Speaker 2: causing a one hundred and forty percent blowout in total repayments.
Speaker 2: Again because of this scenario where core inflation is still
Speaker 2: nowhere near the two to three instead that is a
Speaker 2: little closer to three to four percent, because there's a
Speaker 2: whole collection of other things that the government has not
Speaker 2: artificially dropped. That's why the expectation is that nothing happens
Speaker 2: tomorrow and the pain continues.
Speaker 4: A raid cut is not tipped for tomorrow.
Speaker 5: In fact, most of the major banks predict we won't
Speaker 5: see any relief until the middle of next year.
Speaker 6: First decision by the Reserve Bank tomorrow. At the last decision,
Speaker 6: market's economy say things are on hold. The big question
Speaker 6: now is when does it really feel conditions in Australia
Speaker 6: are such that it can start the cut rates. What's
Speaker 6: your own sense on that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I don't think it's going to be for
Speaker 7: a while yet, and I still don't think you can
Speaker 7: rule out the next movement rates paying up.
Speaker 2: Of course, Warren Hogan has been consistently saying up is
Speaker 2: more likely than down for all of the obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: This is the true financial pressure and pain across millions
Speaker 2: of Australian households. Those who represent to unionized workers selling
Speaker 2: MacManus and the ACTU, well, they are now going directly
Speaker 2: after the Reserve Bank and its governor. Now remember laws
Speaker 2: are passed the Parliament to change the types of people
Speaker 2: who make decisions on the Reserve Bank. This government has
Speaker 2: said that they want union officials, maybe in potentially selling McManus,
Speaker 2: deciding whether interest rates go up or not, and if
Speaker 2: she was in the room, she votes drop them.
Speaker 5: Working people are urging them to cut interest rates. We're
Speaker 5: urging them to do that because too much pressure is
Speaker 5: on Australian working people at the moment, especially those people
Speaker 5: with moregs. And that's because the National Account showed last
Speaker 5: week that half of the cost of living pressures that
Speaker 5: are causing household spending to go backwards is because of
Speaker 5: housing costs, and that is something the RBA can address.
Speaker 5: They can address it in the next two days.
Speaker 2: Likelihood is that they will remain deaf and in part
Speaker 2: because of the actions of the current government to the
Speaker 2: synagogue bobbing in Melbourne, the fire bombing, which of course
Speaker 2: is now referred to as a terrorist incident. Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: was at the facility today. You saw him being interviewed
Speaker 2: by my colleague and friend Charry Markson in the previous hour.
Speaker 2: Wholights of that up at Skye News dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: But where's the Prime Minister. That's the alternative prime minister,
Speaker 2: that's the bloke who is currently level when it comes
Speaker 2: to the preferred prime minister.
Speaker 3: But where is the actual Prime Minister?
Speaker 2: Well, losing Canberda day making a series of national security announcements,
Speaker 2: but how could these not have been made from Melbourne.
Speaker 2: We've got nonsense from the Prime Minister today that the
Speaker 2: only reason he had to go to Canberra was so
Speaker 2: we could have the meetings have to be face to
Speaker 2: face police. We live in a world where it was
Speaker 2: run over the computer for a couple of years. This
Speaker 2: guy pretending that he doesn't have any path to where
Speaker 2: Peter Dupton was today earlier than later in the week, is.
Speaker 3: Of course garbage.
Speaker 2: Now this is what the Prime Minister had to say
Speaker 2: about why he is punting turning up at the venue
Speaker 2: until later in the week, when I'm assuming that their
Speaker 2: hope is that you are already thinking about the next
Speaker 2: cricket test, not whether the Prime Minister has turned up
Speaker 2: to a national event like this.
Speaker 8: Because I had commitments in Perth. Be very clear, this
Speaker 8: happened very early Friday morning. We've had these meetings today.
Speaker 8: You can only be in the room here in Canberra
Speaker 8: getting national security briefings if you stick to the National
Speaker 8: Security Committee. I had the appointments in Perth. Obviously, I
Speaker 8: was there for three days. That was long a range.
Speaker 2: Now I will trust people like my friend and colleague
Speaker 2: Peter Kretlin to be able to speak to this with
Speaker 2: greater specificity. But remember, until very recently, the Foreign Minister
Speaker 2: of Australia lived in Perth. Before that, the Opposition leader
Speaker 2: Kim Beasley lived in Perth. Presumably there is some sort
Speaker 2: of secure facility for people to be able to make
Speaker 2: the phone calls that the Prime Minister decided to make
Speaker 2: today or to have his face to face meetings today.
Speaker 2: The reason he is delaying turning up at the venue
Speaker 2: is because he wants to make all of these announcements
Speaker 2: as a way of trying to temper what will inevitably
Speaker 2: some of the emotion that will be headed in his
Speaker 2: direction when eventually he turns up. But I'll have a
Speaker 2: feeling that the frustration that has been building for months
Speaker 2: with this Prime Minister, with the whataboutism, with the fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty of Islamophobia and anti Semitism. Please But as
Speaker 2: I said, when this Prime Minister should have been on
Speaker 2: his private jet the second he heard about this on
Speaker 2: his way back to Melbourne directly or Canberra then Melbourne.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, of course, as you will have heard
Speaker 2: by now, spent about ninety minutes playing tennis. Now is
Speaker 2: he allowed to play tennis? Obviously, But this is the
Speaker 2: bloke who made quite a lot of noise about the
Speaker 2: priorities the previous Prime minister about what was or wasn't
Speaker 2: urgent to go to. Now today he was out and
Speaker 2: about saying I needed to get some exercise. But we
Speaker 2: can park this now because there is some brand new
Speaker 2: reporting from Page Taylor uploaded one minute ago to The
Speaker 2: Australian's website. The Prime Minister did not get on a
Speaker 2: plane because on Friday night, mister Alberanezi was a star
Speaker 2: studded attraction, and he was the main attraction of the
Speaker 2: Federal Labor Business Forum's.
Speaker 3: End of year networking event.
Speaker 2: Mister Abernici spent the night with party donors just hours
Speaker 2: before briefings on the fire bombing and called Israeli President
Speaker 2: and the Israeli President over the incident. The Australian understands
Speaker 2: the drinks went for about ninety minutes. The event was
Speaker 2: designed to allow business to pay a premium to have
Speaker 2: access to senior ALP figures such as the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: So that was.
Speaker 3: Just before then.
Speaker 2: Of course, the early hours of the morning we find
Speaker 2: out what has taken place, and even though the time
Speaker 2: zones might be different, news is instantaneous these days, and
Speaker 2: certainly when you are the Prime Minister, news travels even
Speaker 2: faster than at the speed of television, radio, all the internet.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: The Cotterslow Tennis Club confirmed that they were made aware
Speaker 2: on Saturday at two pm that the Prime Minister would
Speaker 2: be turning up to play his tennis.
Speaker 3: He arrived at about two point thirty. He stayed for
Speaker 3: two hours.
Speaker 2: Now is this the only form of exercise that the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister possibly could have engaged with?
Speaker 3: Of course not. Is this the only thing that he
Speaker 3: needed to do.
Speaker 2: No, the reason he's in Perth is to make money
Speaker 2: for the Labor Party to make announcements like he did
Speaker 2: over the weekend post the fire bombing of one and
Speaker 2: a half million dollars to save sculpture, a sculpture by
Speaker 2: the sea. He then creates a scenario that should have
Speaker 2: been able to be done via emergency contact on the
Speaker 2: phone Friday, Saturday or Sunday. He waits to go to
Speaker 2: Canberra on Monday. He then doesn't say when he's going
Speaker 2: to be turning up at the very same facility that
Speaker 2: is open to our cameras and the Opposition leader and
Speaker 2: therefore would be open to the Prime Minister. It's about priorities,
Speaker 2: and this Prime Minister knows that ever since the chanting
Speaker 2: on the steps of the Opera House the day after
Speaker 2: the attacks took place in Israel, that there has been
Speaker 2: a problem, one that he has not been willing to
Speaker 2: call out, one that he is pretending is equal on
Speaker 2: all sides. Now again, for people that are half paying attention,
Speaker 2: those that are the genuine advocates of the Palestinian community
Speaker 2: who are here in Australia thinking about their people at home,
Speaker 2: or the Jewish community again back in Israel, my issues
Speaker 2: are not with you. The issue here, however, is the
Speaker 2: string of behavior which was evident from that very night
Speaker 2: that people thought they could get away with it, in
Speaker 2: part because the police in New South Wales they told
Speaker 2: us openly, oh, there's just too many people to police.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister did not speak with the same outrage
Speaker 2: that he does if a vote doesn't go his way
Speaker 2: in the Parliament. We can see what the priorities were,
Speaker 2: and in Western Australia it was about saving sculpture by
Speaker 2: the sea and putting off important meetings until after the
Speaker 2: opposition had made the suggestion. Now this is a pattern
Speaker 2: of behavior because we're right back to the worst of
Speaker 2: what happened. After the High Court made its decision about
Speaker 2: the person in definite attention, the Labor government decided to
Speaker 2: release all of those people, and it was the federal
Speaker 2: opposition who were the ones coming up with the answers.
Speaker 2: The government trying to turn around and big shot it
Speaker 2: and pretend that this is my first and final offer.
Speaker 2: I need to change it multiple times because the opposition
Speaker 2: comes up with better ideas. Now this reminds me, of course,
Speaker 2: remember of Alice Springs when we were hot under the
Speaker 2: collar at the start of twenty twenty three, because of
Speaker 2: course there had been all of that, all of those
Speaker 2: problems in and around safety, and you know the story.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister spend more time flying to and from
Speaker 2: than he did on the ground in Alice Springs, and
Speaker 2: in a horrible coincidence, his priority was tennis. Three days
Speaker 2: at the tennis when he should have been in Ala Springs,
Speaker 2: two hours playing tennis with the beg end of town
Speaker 2: in Perth when he should have been on the private
Speaker 2: plane and coming back to at the very least Canberra,
Speaker 2: and then he should have been at the site of
Speaker 2: the fire on Sunday, definitely Monday, but now it's later
Speaker 2: in the week. As for what has actually been stood
Speaker 2: up today, I can't fault what has been stood up today,
Speaker 2: but again it should have been stood up earlier in
Speaker 2: this whole process, let alone earlier this weekend. There is
Speaker 2: now going to be a Federal Police Task Force which
Speaker 2: will be able to travel around the country and start
Speaker 2: to link some of the events that we have all
Speaker 2: been watching in isolation since October twenty twenty three.
Speaker 9: And today the AFP will expand its remit with the
Speaker 9: support of the Comwealth Government Special Operation Avelite will be
Speaker 9: an agile and experienced squad of canterterrorism investigators who will
Speaker 9: focus on threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish
Speaker 9: community and parliamentarians. In essence, they will be a flying
Speaker 9: squad to deploy nationally to incidents.
Speaker 2: All right, last night I went through chapter in verse
Speaker 2: about some of the polling. All of that remains exactly
Speaker 2: the same and has frightened some labor people that I
Speaker 2: know in the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: Will debate it all again in a couple of moments time.
Speaker 2: But you also know that newspier which we briefly mentioned
Speaker 2: during the show last night, We've had a chance to
Speaker 2: dig through and it shows about how Australians feel about
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's leadership versus Peter Dutton's. Now good for
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is that ranked zero to one hundred, forty
Speaker 2: four percent of people say that the Prime Minister is
Speaker 2: decisive and strong sixty percent of people. It's not a
Speaker 2: one hundred divided by those two people, it's just each
Speaker 2: of them get a score out of one hundred forty
Speaker 2: four percent for albit easy on, decisive and strong sixty percent.
Speaker 2: For Dutton has a vision for Australia Albanezi fifty six,
Speaker 2: Dutton sixty one. Also here about whether they are likable
Speaker 2: or not, well, that's slightly better for the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: at fifty five percent, Peter Dutton at forty and trustworthy
Speaker 2: at forty six to forty one. So that in part
Speaker 2: is where you'll see the election campaign being fought. One
Speaker 2: wants to be strong and decisive with the vision for
Speaker 2: the country. The other's going to be, well, don't you.
Speaker 3: Just want to have a beer?
Speaker 2: I'm the more likable is when you've got interest rates
Speaker 2: that have been where they are for the past twelve months,
Speaker 2: cost of living that's been ignored for the best part
Speaker 2: of three years, the third Christmas in a row, where
Speaker 2: people struggle, three million people this close to homelessness. People
Speaker 2: don't care about how nice you are. But there is
Speaker 2: a phenomena that I wanted to talk about from inside
Speaker 2: the Resolve poll that I noticed yesterday, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to save till today because it deserves its own compensation. Now,
Speaker 2: if you have a look at the primary vote again,
Speaker 2: what is worrying people is the primary vote of the
Speaker 2: Labor Party is twenty seven percent. Now, that is down
Speaker 2: six percent on the twenty twenty to election. Now what
Speaker 2: is a concern for the l and P or the
Speaker 2: Liberal National Party is that their vote is only up
Speaker 2: two percent. The Greens level one nation up to independence
Speaker 2: they are now up six from the last election, and
Speaker 2: others is down four from nine to five. So let's
Speaker 2: look here. I've seen a massive walk away from the
Speaker 2: Labor Party. A bit of it goes to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: But I want to show you where people are parking
Speaker 2: their vote. Let's move to the next one here, guys,
Speaker 2: which is people who say they're going to be voting
Speaker 2: independent at the next election. Now, a six percent increase
Speaker 2: means this is new vote on top of a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that's been around in the past. Three and
Speaker 2: a half percent increase in New South Wales, look at
Speaker 2: that number in Victoria. Now the Labor Party vote in
Speaker 2: Victoria is down by almost that margin. And in Queensland,
Speaker 2: where there are no independence Off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: who are even in the Federal Parliament, that vote has
Speaker 2: gone from two percent of the last election to now
Speaker 2: eight percent, up six. Now, of course independent might mean
Speaker 2: lots of things and lots of places to say. In
Speaker 2: New South Wales it may well mean the Teals that
Speaker 2: are in the eastern suburbs of Sydney or on the
Speaker 2: northern beaches of Sydney. In the western suburbs, it could
Speaker 2: be people like die Lee. Of course was the kkkiller,
Speaker 2: as communities have had an of Sussex Street or Central
Speaker 2: Casting telling them who should be their representative as opposed
Speaker 2: to somebody who is of them being their representative. Independent
Speaker 2: in Victoria, of course, could mean Zoey Daniel in Goldstein,
Speaker 2: or it could be Manique Ryan there in Couyon. Or
Speaker 2: it could also be three new people who pop their
Speaker 2: head up over the weekend and it's a new party
Speaker 2: called the West Party and they are specifically going to
Speaker 2: challenge Labor in seats like Marabanong, which of course is
Speaker 2: going to be up for grabs after Bill Shorten leaves
Speaker 2: the Parliament. So the central question of when we start
Speaker 2: to work out what is going to happen at the
Speaker 2: next federal election is that there is no doubt that
Speaker 2: the Labor Party vote is absolutely tanking, and in any
Speaker 2: other circumstance you would be talking about the Liberal or
Speaker 2: National Party maybe being able to win ninety plus seats
Speaker 2: when they only need seventy six in the Parliament, like
Speaker 2: a huge.
Speaker 3: Sort of Abbot style tidle wave.
Speaker 2: But because people aren't going directly from Labor to Liberal,
Speaker 2: people on the center left of politics think, well, these
Speaker 2: people are just parking their vote with an independent and
Speaker 2: when worse comet it's to worse. They might vote independent,
Speaker 2: but they'll definitely preference Labor, which is why there has
Speaker 2: to be serious effort at this election from the major
Speaker 2: political parties. But in this case, I would say the
Speaker 2: LNP to be able to affect the change that they want,
Speaker 2: which is Labor Party MPs to lose their seats with
Speaker 2: the ob section with the exception of the Greens, to
Speaker 2: start doing smart preference deals. It's also to educate people
Speaker 2: that whatever you do with your number one vote, your
Speaker 2: number two vote is just as important. Put simply, if
Speaker 2: you are somebody who wants to see the end of
Speaker 2: this government, we've all heard the new version of MAGA
Speaker 2: being make Albow go away. If you want that to happen, well,
Speaker 2: then you have to preference the LNP is the alternative
Speaker 2: government over the Labor Party, and you have to do
Speaker 2: it with greater priority. Otherwise you can end up with
Speaker 2: an independent member of Parliament, and of course that is
Speaker 2: just a recipe for minority disaster in both directions against
Speaker 2: You're right to vote how in which way you want.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the lot of us sit here and go, well,
Speaker 2: hang on, look at the fifty to fifty. You'll look
Speaker 2: at the fifty one to forty nine. That calculation is
Speaker 2: based off what happened to the last election with people's preferences.
Speaker 2: But if you've got and if we can bring back
Speaker 2: that graphic guys, which was the independent vote nationally and
Speaker 2: state by state, When you've got huge swayes like one
Speaker 2: in ten or even higher than that, moving two independents
Speaker 2: across the country, particularly in places like Victoria, put a
Speaker 2: pin in that one, because we're going to have to
Speaker 2: work out what does independent mean? Does independent mean deals?
Speaker 2: They'll say that that's what it means, because they are,
Speaker 2: of course the ones with all the media mates. But
Speaker 2: are there a bunch of other localized independence like a
Speaker 2: dial legue that are not on our radar yet? If
Speaker 2: you know a local independent who is running for federal
Speaker 2: Parliament and you think they might be behind the surge
Speaker 2: and the state where you live. Send me an email
Speaker 2: Paultzgunews dot com dot au be fascinated to know what
Speaker 2: they think about. But also, speaking of polls, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the political parties and at the end of year
Speaker 2: a performance review about how they have performed. Readers of
Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review they were asked about which political
Speaker 2: party have performed well in the past twelve months. The
Speaker 2: Labor Party well basically where it's primary voters, with twenty
Speaker 2: six percent of people saying that they had performed well,
Speaker 2: a little under their primary voters. The Coalition at thirty three,
Speaker 2: a little over their primary voters, the Greens at eighteen,
Speaker 2: the Independence again basically where we expect them to be,
Speaker 2: and a collection of people who have no idea what's
Speaker 2: going on at the moment. But there is absolute uniformity here,
Speaker 2: regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum. Which
Speaker 2: political party or group do you think has done the
Speaker 2: worst job in the past twelve months? The Greens forty
Speaker 2: six percent, forty six percent. Now, of course the Labour
Speaker 2: people think they've done a terrible job because they've gotten
Speaker 2: the way of many things Labour want to do. Coalition
Speaker 2: people can't stand them because of course they are the
Speaker 2: nut as at the end of the garden and the
Speaker 2: headline reads tonight that the Greens are the worst political
Speaker 2: performance of twenty and twenty four asterisk with the exception
Speaker 2: of the Primate ministry. We talk on the show a
Speaker 2: lot about school classrooms and disciplining classrooms, and not because
Speaker 2: I want everyone to get a cane and jeezs wasn't
Speaker 2: a good when we went to school compared to the
Speaker 2: reality is the kids aren't right. We've discussed that on
Speaker 2: many levels and one of the reasons that our school
Speaker 2: performance has been absolutely ditching, regardless of the money, is
Speaker 2: that we do not empower our teachers to have control
Speaker 2: of the classrooms. A shocking example about what is coming
Speaker 2: their way is, of course, the OECD report that showed
Speaker 2: that when it comes to bad behavior that Australia is
Speaker 2: one of the.
Speaker 3: Worst in the world.
Speaker 2: And today in the Courier Mail work cover claims for
Speaker 2: physical and mental harm of teachers as well as principles
Speaker 2: is through the roof.
Speaker 3: How's this well?
Speaker 2: The two and a half thousand or two thy four
Speaker 2: hundred work cover claims have laid bare the shocking number
Speaker 2: of teachers and principles being bitten, kicked, punched, spat on head,
Speaker 2: buttered and scratched by students in Queensland schools. Between July one,
Speaker 2: twenty three and fifteen July twenty four, more than eighteen
Speaker 2: point seven million dollars has been paid out in compensation.
Speaker 2: The top ten claims alone were worth one point six million,
Speaker 2: with seven of those related to psychological trauma, anxiety or stress.
Speaker 2: Four of the ten were principles. The highest claim was
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars and therese were
Speaker 2: principals ongoing sustained trauma with repeated exposure to occupational violence
Speaker 2: over many months. We need to re empower the teacher
Speaker 2: and the principal to be in charge of their classroom.
Speaker 2: And part of that is when your kid cops of
Speaker 2: punishment from school, you should cop it on the chin.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 2: Now, this is where we were brought up slightly differently,
Speaker 2: but I think there is some method in whatever collective
Speaker 2: manness there was in the past as gen X kids
Speaker 2: or baby boomer kids, which is that if the school
Speaker 2: gave you a punishment, your mum and dad never turned around.
Speaker 3: And said, well sorry, sorry, what's the teacher's name.
Speaker 1: I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Charge up to school and yell at them like a
Speaker 2: mechanic who somehow had bucked up your car. Now you're
Speaker 2: backed in the teacher, You're backed in what they wanted
Speaker 2: to do when it came to discipline. That's something that
Speaker 2: definitely needs to be put in place in my view,
Speaker 2: further into the future here in Australia, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the monarch in King Charles and of course the coronation
Speaker 2: that we celebrated just a couple of years ago. And
Speaker 2: part of being the sovereign the king is that bloody
Speaker 2: big crown that you get to wear. Now this is
Speaker 2: the mega big super one that you don't have to
Speaker 2: wear when you go to Parliament. But King Charles has
Speaker 2: done an interview with some documentary that will be coming
Speaker 2: out sooner rather than later, and he has revealed that
Speaker 2: he was anxious about his crown and that it would
Speaker 2: wobble on his head during coronation day. So he tells
Speaker 2: a story about his mum. Well, he remembers that she
Speaker 2: was getting ready to practice with the Sir Edwards crown,
Speaker 2: which was a solid gold old frame. It's the most
Speaker 2: important and sacred of the crown jewels. It's twice as
Speaker 2: heavy as the Imperial Crown, which, as I said, is
Speaker 2: the one that you wear to Parliament. Charles said he
Speaker 2: could vividly recall in the lead up to his mother's coronation.
Speaker 2: He remembers it so well because my sister and I
Speaker 2: had bath time in the evening. My Mamma used to
Speaker 2: come up at bath time wearing the crown to practice,
Speaker 2: because you have to get used to how heavy it is. Oh,
Speaker 2: how hea heavy is the crown, etc.
Speaker 3: Etc.
Speaker 2: Strengthen the love to the Australian sporting legend, and I
Speaker 2: mean that literally. She is an Australian legend according to
Speaker 2: the Australian Sports Hall of Fame and anyone else who
Speaker 2: loves Dawn Fraser. Her exploits in and around the Tokyo
Speaker 2: Olympics and other Olympic venues absolutely legendary and a true
Speaker 2: passionate part of the Australian sporting community. And of course
Speaker 2: a boo main girl. Well, she had a fall recently
Speaker 2: at home. She lives up Noosom now I think, and
Speaker 2: she's deep into her eighties. She had a whole collection
Speaker 2: of injuries. She actually ended up going to intensive care
Speaker 2: but she's out of it now. So all the best
Speaker 2: to beautiful Dawn and of course her family. And finally,
Speaker 2: we've spoken so much about Donald Trump this year, one
Speaker 2: last thing before we finish up, before the end of
Speaker 2: the year. We'll have a bit more to say with that,
Speaker 2: Meg and Kelly and Nigel feras is our week rolls on.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that of course was absolutely
Speaker 2: clear was how crazy the media went saying anything they
Speaker 2: could about Donald Trump before the election. This was the
Speaker 2: equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Speaker 3: But now I realize he's a total fascist.
Speaker 4: He is the most dangerous person to this country, a
Speaker 4: fascist to the core. This afternoon, the Post had taken
Speaker 4: this dramatic step, issuing a full throated, full page, possibly
Speaker 4: unprecedented anti endorsement of Donald Trump.
Speaker 10: Donald Trump tried to steal our democracy and he's still
Speaker 10: trying to.
Speaker 3: Do it now.
Speaker 2: Most of that stuff comes from the cable version of
Speaker 2: NBC MSNBC, so it did raise a few eyebrows. The
Speaker 2: first interview that he has done since that incredible comeback,
Speaker 2: that incredible election victory more than a month ago, was
Speaker 2: to the Freedware channel version of NBC and Kristen Walker,
Speaker 2: who is the host of Meet the Press, and she
Speaker 2: seems to not have learned any lessons about the media,
Speaker 2: asking stupid questions that clearly are all about trapping the
Speaker 2: bloke when all of that was rejected by the American people.
Speaker 11: I don't have to tell you this because you've talked
Speaker 11: about it. It comes at a time when the country
Speaker 11: is deeply divided, and now you're going to be leading
Speaker 11: this country for the next four years. For the sake
Speaker 11: of unifying this country, will you concede the twenty twenty
Speaker 11: election and turn the page on that chapter. No, you
Speaker 11: want to see childhood vaccines eliminated, so you think Liz
Speaker 11: Cheney should go to jail. Studies show that there is
Speaker 11: no link between vaccines and artism.
Speaker 2: Seriously, he expressed the reset button. You're exactly where you
Speaker 2: were the day before the election, assuming that he was
Speaker 2: going to be politically removed from the equation.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.
Speaker 2: All right, my apologies have been a little bit woolle
Speaker 2: for some reason. I'm as Crooker's rook with this evening.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but we will push through.
Speaker 2: What do we say, don't test, don't tell that's the
Speaker 2: way right, more in a secure on Paul Parray like
Speaker 2: thanks for watching, all right, very excited for his own health.
Speaker 2: Sam Crosby has been told to go upstairs and I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. This way, nothing catches, but she is. That
Speaker 2: bead's looking good, mate, That beard's looking fantastic. Matt Canavan,
Speaker 2: he's got a beard ready for after the election, regardless
Speaker 2: of what the result is. Loving to see you both,
Speaker 2: all right, Sam. I'm going to start with you and
Speaker 2: about my take on what we should be paying a
Speaker 2: little bit more attention to in the polls. Is Labour's
Speaker 2: vote down, Buddy Oath, way down, absolutely enough for it
Speaker 2: to get smash an election, you bet you. However, coalition
Speaker 2: ever so slightly up, not as close to you know,
Speaker 2: they're closer to a forty the not they're in a
Speaker 2: better position they were at the last election. Blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But what about that independent factor, because
Speaker 2: I don't know what independent means in Queensland. I know
Speaker 2: that in certain places it means teals and other places
Speaker 2: it means die leegue.
Speaker 3: Do you see this?
Speaker 2: And from the Labor perspective, is this the silver lining
Speaker 2: in the polls that they haven't fully crossed the road yet.
Speaker 7: Look, Paul, I don't know if there's many silver linings
Speaker 7: in those poles that came out today. Look, you are
Speaker 7: a big believer in the detail of these poles. I
Speaker 7: tend to think that they more sort of give you
Speaker 7: a vibe and a general impression of what people are thinking,
Speaker 7: and it's not really worth delving three or four lines
Speaker 7: deep in the data, and you know, Look, to be fair,
Speaker 7: I'll get in before Matt can make the point. I
Speaker 7: think it's telling the government that people are pretty pissed
Speaker 7: off and they want to see them do more and
Speaker 7: do better to address the cost of living crisis that
Speaker 7: I think we all are experiencing. And I think they're
Speaker 7: sending that message loud and clear.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: I think they're also saying they're not entirely happy with
Speaker 7: the opposition. They don't want to reward Peter Dutton with
Speaker 7: their vote just yet, and they're unsure. So yeah, that
Speaker 7: might be one of the reasons that they're pumping up
Speaker 7: the tie the Independence and the minor parties. But I
Speaker 7: think it's a sobering message for the government.
Speaker 2: Well said my friend, I know how hard that is.
Speaker 2: And what your cop saying it. But I appreciate you
Speaker 2: saying it, and you're calling it straight, and that's why
Speaker 2: we love you. Matt again, right, I mean we've talked before.
Speaker 2: Is it's one of those moments where I'm wobbling around.
Speaker 3: I've gone into the reeds.
Speaker 2: I've gone so far off track that I'm looking into
Speaker 2: the minutia, when the reality is there is a north
Speaker 2: star and all you can do is keep walking towards
Speaker 2: the north star.
Speaker 10: No, I think you're pretty spot on here, Paul. I
Speaker 10: think people are up for grabs. They're clearly disappointed with
Speaker 10: the current government. They're clearly underwhelmed with what they see
Speaker 10: as an inadequate response I think to the very significant challenges.
Speaker 10: I mean, there's no doubt it's very hard time for
Speaker 10: governments to be in charge. Lots of things happening all
Speaker 10: around the world, the challenging recovery from COVID. But the
Speaker 10: simple fact is this government hasn't come up to the
Speaker 10: mark of those challenges. It can engine whine all it likes,
Speaker 10: but it comes with the pay grade.
Speaker 1: It comes with being in government.
Speaker 10: You're tested on whether you can respond to such challenges,
Speaker 10: and clearly this government has been found wanting many times
Speaker 10: on that. So people are up for grabs, and I
Speaker 10: do keep saying of citizens program before, we've got to
Speaker 10: be up to the test then of showing people that
Speaker 10: we've got an alternative. My view is to knock off
Speaker 10: a first term government, you have to have a very
Speaker 10: clear set of differences from the current government, because if
Speaker 10: you're just a small target, if you're too much of
Speaker 10: the same, people are probably going to default back to thinking, well,
Speaker 10: maybe the better the devil.
Speaker 1: I know. So look, that's a challenge for us.
Speaker 10: I've got lots of ideas how we could make those
Speaker 10: differences of just a mere backbench of though Paul the
Speaker 10: smarter people in May rounds. But that's a challenge for us.
Speaker 10: It's up for grabs. People are up for grabs. We
Speaker 10: can definitely win this thing and I don't think we
Speaker 10: should die wanting.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, you know again one without noticing, though, Matt, which
Speaker 2: is that when I tell you the reporting of the
Speaker 2: Australian newspaper that after the fire bombing of the synagogue
Speaker 2: run than the Prime Minister getting his personal plan didn't
Speaker 2: have to wait for one that was coming out of
Speaker 2: the airport at you know, I in two hours could
Speaker 2: get on his personal plate flown straight into Melbourne, but
Speaker 2: of course didn't. Instead, the next day, after going to
Speaker 2: the fundraiser, that's when he calls the tennis club. That's
Speaker 2: when he having a jolly old time. He'll get round
Speaker 2: to the national security of everything. This on top of
Speaker 2: a whole collection of everything from upgrade albow to the
Speaker 2: house to the cost of living stuff. The voice the
Speaker 2: bloke is absolutely at the other end of where people are.
Speaker 2: It's pretty simple, regardless of whether it was any sort
Speaker 2: of place of worship when it's been sent on fire,
Speaker 2: if you've got the chance to be there, get off
Speaker 2: your arms and go there as soon as possible.
Speaker 10: Look, it's a pretty simple one, isn't it, Paul. You've
Speaker 10: outlined it well and I think the most important thing
Speaker 10: you've said there is this not the first radio for
Speaker 10: the Prime minister. We saw the same situation with the
Speaker 10: other Springs Laura and Order crisis, where he decided to
Speaker 10: have I think three nights at the tennis. Still lots
Speaker 10: of nights at the tennis, not spend the night now
Speaker 10: the springs. Now he's playing tennis instead of showing leadership
Speaker 10: on a shocking event that's rocked our nation. Look at
Speaker 10: this event alone is unlikely to win, to lose the election.
Speaker 10: But as I say, just seem to have a prime
Speaker 10: minister that misses so many opportunities to show leadership for
Speaker 10: the country, to.
Speaker 1: Build unity among us all at times of this.
Speaker 10: So look, I think a lot of labor people are
Speaker 10: scratching their heads about that, wondering whether the Prime Minister
Speaker 10: is a bit absent minded at the moment. As it
Speaker 10: comes back to me though to say, Look, I can
Speaker 10: wind all night about Anthony Albanezi, but we've just got
Speaker 10: to make sure we get ourselves in order because I
Speaker 10: think this train people deserve a proper choice. I do
Speaker 10: think we need a change of government, and I want
Speaker 10: to not leave anything out in the field in the
Speaker 10: pursuit of delivering that change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Sam, I'm going to again and maybe
Speaker 2: it's just whatever the heck is going on inside me
Speaker 2: right now, but there is just again a little moment
Speaker 2: of caution here right that I remember how hardcore myself included.
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't remember what the unemployment rate is
Speaker 2: all of this and then ultimately, of course irrelevant to
Speaker 2: the to the final outcome. The belief was that those
Speaker 2: who talk about news all day every day were completely
Speaker 2: somewhere else than where the people were, which was that
Speaker 2: already made their decision and it didn't matter what happened.
Speaker 2: And again there is no there is no verbal trap
Speaker 2: at the end of this question which results in me
Speaker 2: pointing and using terms.
Speaker 3: But what do you think.
Speaker 2: About the series of choices? I mean, is the prom
Speaker 2: minister right to say, Look, I've dealt with this. The
Speaker 2: AFP are up and running. I have done everything that's
Speaker 2: been asked to me, perhaps not the exact words at
Speaker 2: the exact time, but I've got there. Or is there
Speaker 2: just the inevitable bad look of things that's really hard
Speaker 2: to deal with.
Speaker 7: Look, I think you can analyze these things, you know,
Speaker 7: till the till the cows come home. It generally all
Speaker 7: conflates and contributes to a general feeling. But I think
Speaker 7: over the next couple of months you're going to see
Speaker 7: the contrast between the two leaders be brought into stark relief.
Speaker 7: You know, both parties are going to be saying, on
Speaker 7: the one hand, this is either a choice between from
Speaker 7: the conservative side, has the government done a good job
Speaker 7: and deserved to be re elected or from the government side,
Speaker 7: who do you want Peter Dutton or Anthony Alberinezi. I
Speaker 7: also have to say, you know, Matt just made me think.
Speaker 7: Then in one of his earlier answers, I think this
Speaker 7: is also a team question. I think this is a
Speaker 7: question about who's on the front bench and measure them up,
Speaker 7: you know, go down the list, and I have to say,
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, who am I to give the
Speaker 7: opposition any advice? But why isn't Matt on the front bench? Yes,
Speaker 7: you know, I think Matt feel free not to respond
Speaker 7: to this choice. You possibly don't want me saying this,
Speaker 7: but Matt is one of the more effective commentators, more
Speaker 7: effective communicators rather in the.
Speaker 1: Government.
Speaker 7: And I look down the list of people on the
Speaker 7: shadow benches and frankly, with the exception of a couple,
Speaker 7: they're nowhere. They're nowhere compared to the government. So you know,
Speaker 7: I do sort of think the opposition has to get
Speaker 7: its own house in order before they start measuring up
Speaker 7: the curtains in the lodge.
Speaker 3: Now, matn what about that for a Christmas card? It's
Speaker 3: come all the way from you know, Sky News.
Speaker 1: How I need I haven't done. I haven't started Christmas cars.
Speaker 1: You're on the list, now, mate, you'll get one.
Speaker 2: He's on the list. I mean, look, are you playing
Speaker 2: a long game? You want to get there, you don't
Speaker 2: want to get there. All the whole point is is
Speaker 2: it's more fun to be.
Speaker 10: Able to I'm quite happy many times, but I'm quite
Speaker 10: happy doing what I'm doing. The main reason I'm I'm
Speaker 10: not not not myself putting my hand up is because
Speaker 10: I don't believe this net zero missions rubbish and the
Speaker 10: government of the government and the opposition to sign up
Speaker 10: to that. And the deal is if you join a cabinet,
Speaker 10: obviously you've got to have solidarity with the decisions. I
Speaker 10: don't agree with it, and I'll keep campaigning against it.
Speaker 10: I mean, last week I just exposed that the carbon
Speaker 10: tax and the government's net zero missions modeling, this is
Speaker 10: their model, the Strategy Market Operators modeling. They show that
Speaker 10: you need a carbon tax of two hundred and sixty
Speaker 10: two dollars in today's dollars to get to net zero
Speaker 10: emissions by twenty fifty. It's absurd, it's mad. They have
Speaker 10: been very sneaking about providing that number to wrench it
Speaker 10: out of them. As a Senate inquiry because once you
Speaker 10: say it, you realize that why are we doing this?
Speaker 10: It's so expensive to everybody to charge a two hundred
Speaker 10: and sixty dollars carbon tax. So that's the main reason
Speaker 10: I'm not just not interested. I want to try and
Speaker 10: fight for the continuation of our manufacturing industry, our global
Speaker 10: energy competitiveness, and I can't do that if I'm muzzled
Speaker 10: by cabinets decided to sign up to this global rubbish.
Speaker 2: There was a headline today had a double check Yes.
Speaker 2: Apparently a plan for the government to be able to
Speaker 2: turn down things like your air conditioning because you're using
Speaker 2: too much power at a time when the rest of
Speaker 2: the grid needs it. Matt tell me some of the
Speaker 2: details of how this works, because I know for some
Speaker 2: customers in Queensland this is a deal. But how the
Speaker 2: hell do you end up signing yourself up to these
Speaker 2: systems and are they opt in opt out? How do
Speaker 2: you end up in this little trap? Because I want
Speaker 2: to stay as far away from it as possible.
Speaker 1: Look to my knowledge, so far they've been opted in.
Speaker 10: There's lots of different companies though around Australia, so there
Speaker 10: can be a variety of different contracts here.
Speaker 1: But yes, you can. With smart meters these days and smart.
Speaker 10: Home household appliances, you can from a central location control
Speaker 10: your air conditioning, your.
Speaker 1: Pool filters, other equipment.
Speaker 10: And notionally, why you would sign up to this is
Speaker 10: that you potentially will get a cheaper electricity rate by
Speaker 10: signing away your rights to manage your own house.
Speaker 1: On any given day, so any particular time.
Speaker 10: If if the grid then is over run with demand
Speaker 10: or short supply, you can have your stuff turned off.
Speaker 1: The regulars are already doing this at a wholesale level
Speaker 1: if you like so. Aluminium smelters and factories are often
Speaker 1: turned down to keep the lights on. They were last
Speaker 1: week or a week and a half ago down in Sydney.
Speaker 1: That happened.
Speaker 10: They signed up to that at a whole sal level
Speaker 10: if you like large users. But the idea is this
Speaker 10: could be rolled out in a household level to individual Australians. Now,
Speaker 10: my view is it seems very strange in a country
Speaker 10: blessed with so many ensuy resources that we.
Speaker 1: Have, why do we need to ration our energy career?
Speaker 1: Is wasn't something we had to do. We just turned
Speaker 1: the light on, Like your dad would get.
Speaker 10: Upset that, you know you wasting money with rooms with
Speaker 10: lights on and that, and that was fair enough, but
Speaker 10: it didn't break the bank. You know, you weren't putting
Speaker 10: it risk of your parents' mortgage by leaving a light
Speaker 10: on in your room.
Speaker 1: And so I just don't understand.
Speaker 10: To me, it's a clear demonstration of the failings of
Speaker 10: the government's plan to.
Speaker 1: Go to eighty two percent renewables.
Speaker 10: We just can't deliver the kind of lifestyle that our
Speaker 10: parents and grandparents took for granted here and I don't
Speaker 10: want to deliver it well to my kids. That's that's
Speaker 10: not as nice to live in. And I think that
Speaker 10: would be not a nice place to live in. To
Speaker 10: the government control your own.
Speaker 2: Home, spoken like the true loving father that you are,
Speaker 2: Sam equally loving father. Just these schemes again, if there's
Speaker 2: a little trade off of alue might save something slightly
Speaker 2: somewhere else. But it is just a little bit creepy,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 7: No, it is it is a little bit creepy. I
Speaker 7: think central to the promise is that it has to
Speaker 7: be opt in. The second they start trying to make
Speaker 7: this in any way mandatory or take the control away
Speaker 7: from people, is just it's gone. I didn't think this
Speaker 7: was an official government policy, but I might have been.
Speaker 1: Off the mark on that. But look, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: with some of.
Speaker 10: The state governments so pushing it. No, it's not right.
Speaker 10: It's done by the states largely, right, But we talked
Speaker 10: about this before. I mean, you know, central to the
Speaker 10: promise of decarbonizing the grid has to be and you
Speaker 10: know we'll see in ten years time, in fifteen years
Speaker 10: time if this is right. It has to be cleaner, yes,
Speaker 10: but also cheaper and reliable. If you can't get that
Speaker 10: holy trinity, then you know people aren't going to aren't
Speaker 10: going to cop it.
Speaker 7: And I know what Matt's going to say. He's going
Speaker 7: to say power prices, blah blah blah. But obviously we
Speaker 7: are on a journey. Obviously we have to find a
Speaker 7: way to replace these aging and decrepit old coal fired
Speaker 7: power plants. So you know, how are we going to
Speaker 7: do that? What's the cheapest and most efficient way to
Speaker 7: do that? But central to that has to be we've
Speaker 7: got to be able to keep the lights on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is fascinating new.
Speaker 1: Coal fire power stations.
Speaker 10: That's what the CSIRO report today shows that new coal
Speaker 10: is the cheapest you look at the detail. New coal
Speaker 10: is actually the cheapest.
Speaker 2: A new CEO coming representing the colin and she will
Speaker 2: have a chat to him a little bit later in
Speaker 2: the week. Shout out by the way to Boyd, Boyd
Speaker 2: who was called at.
Speaker 3: The last minute round of my joint.
Speaker 2: Never met him before to help fix my conditioning on
Speaker 2: this super stinky day.
Speaker 3: That's the day that it conked Boyd.
Speaker 2: He was there and it wasn't because of the TV
Speaker 2: and he just a good and decent man. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. I appreciated. I'll look forward to re mortgaging
Speaker 2: the house to inevitably if jeez, that's expensive, isn't it?
Speaker 2: The air conditioning business.
Speaker 3: That's the one.
Speaker 2: All these people who decided to go off and become
Speaker 2: marketing majors barger that go and go and pick up
Speaker 2: an amma because there's plenty more cash to be made.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Boyd, I love your mate, all the best
Speaker 2: of your son as well, who I know Watchers, and
Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing you around the house again
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Time right, quick break.
Speaker 2: Back with more loss to talk about here on Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live, including winners, loses and a shout.
Speaker 3: Out for the year.
Speaker 2: Here with that none other than the one I should
Speaker 2: get the product placement out of the way.
Speaker 3: It's how I'm getting through the hour. Sam Crosby and
Speaker 3: with Matt Canavan.
Speaker 2: Love you to see them both here and you get
Speaker 2: a little mushy at the end here, You guys have
Speaker 2: been awesome all year. I appreciate the debate. More importantly,
Speaker 2: I appreciate the friendship both on and off the air.
Speaker 2: I love you, blokes, and I look forward to seeing
Speaker 2: you again next year. So let's talk about that. There
Speaker 2: are thirty public servants in the Australian government that earned
Speaker 2: more than one million dollars. Now, Sam, we've heard before.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, we need to have it all in
Speaker 2: house because otherwise it ends up being spent on outhouse consultants.
Speaker 2: But this is double what the Prime minister gets paid. Oh,
Speaker 2: but we need to make sure that we pay commercial
Speaker 2: rates to people, so the best possible people in the
Speaker 2: private sector work for the government sector. No, no, public
Speaker 2: service is supposed to be partly vocational. Instead we're trying
Speaker 2: to turn around and say no, you know what, double
Speaker 2: I am sick of this logic that results in a
Speaker 2: public servant complicated as the task may be. But the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's paid half or sorry about six hundred. Now
Speaker 2: they get paid a million.
Speaker 3: Come off.
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Paul.
Speaker 7: A million dollars stretches and breaks the bounds of credulity
Speaker 7: when it comes to public service. The idea is that
Speaker 7: you are meant to be there to serve the public,
Speaker 7: not to get paid commercial rates, you know. And if
Speaker 7: you're going to get paid commercial rates, then don't take
Speaker 7: your public service medal, you know, don't take your Order
Speaker 7: of Australia medal when you're earning essentially you would be
Speaker 7: earning in the private sector. And while we're on it,
Speaker 7: I don't think you should be earning that sort of
Speaker 7: money in the private sector, just by the buy How
Speaker 7: if you're owning a company, and if you're you've invested
Speaker 7: in a company and you're you've built a company out yourself, fine, But.
Speaker 1: If you're a.
Speaker 7: But if you're you're are.
Speaker 1: You seeing solinarity forever?
Speaker 2: My god, that's my gift to you from all of
Speaker 2: us here at BW Yeah.
Speaker 7: Hall, Seriously, you know, how do you justify a million
Speaker 7: dollars a year? It's just crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're linked to profit. I mean, I get
Speaker 2: how in the private sectate you end up there right where,
Speaker 2: but of course compared to the average work completely with you, right,
Speaker 2: But in terms of those government salaries, wouldn't it be
Speaker 2: fascinating to see somebody with a set of stones walking
Speaker 2: to the Parliament and say we're hereby say that every
Speaker 2: single member of the public service the top rate of
Speaker 2: pay is peg to that of the Prime Minister. Now,
Speaker 2: of course that would be the department because because we
Speaker 2: have this absurdity where you've got the deep state, the
Speaker 2: public servants, the permanent class in places like who say
Speaker 2: when you walk in as the mining minister or Allen's
Speaker 2: he going to be for? Oh yeah, we like some
Speaker 2: of that, don't like some of that, slow plow all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. And they get paid more than you.
Speaker 2: And you're the one who's been sent into the room
Speaker 2: on our behalf.
Speaker 10: Matt, Look, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here.
Speaker 10: I don't really have too much of a problem with
Speaker 10: the pay for good people. I mean, now, joke noble
Speaker 10: is I mean people work at camera about half of them,
Speaker 10: about half of them, and you want the half that
Speaker 10: are working to be paid well and be good leaders.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think we can all get very worked
Speaker 10: up about this. But if you take that table, it's
Speaker 10: about thirty of them, some of a bit of above
Speaker 10: a million, about million to two million. So you look
Speaker 10: at about fifty million dollars there in salaries. This government
Speaker 10: in just two years has increased the size of public
Speaker 10: service service by almost thirty thousand public servants. That's costing
Speaker 10: the Australian tax paid nearly six billion dollars a year.
Speaker 10: More so those that we're going to have a big
Speaker 10: controversy r it's probably on the front page or some
Speaker 10: of the tabloids.
Speaker 1: That's fifty million.
Speaker 10: The thirty thousand nameless public servants that aren't really I
Speaker 10: suppose as sexy tabloid news is.
Speaker 1: Five billion, one hundred times the cost. That's the issue.
Speaker 10: The issue in the public service is the bloated middle
Speaker 10: management filled with people who do not have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Jobs to do with.
Speaker 10: They made up jobs to expand people's empires and that
Speaker 10: is what costs this strange people out of money. So
Speaker 10: if I could hire ten or twenty elon musks who
Speaker 10: know how to run an organization to run.
Speaker 1: It leanly, I do that in a heartbeat.
Speaker 7: But the people that are bloating these middle managements, the
Speaker 7: people that are bloating there and what did you say,
Speaker 7: Empire building, they're the ones getting paid a million bucks.
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem.
Speaker 10: But that you're not going to fix that by by
Speaker 10: the suggestion that you cap the top people's salary to
Speaker 10: five hundred thousand dollars. That's not to make the difference.
Speaker 10: That's not going to get rid of the blinding, will
Speaker 10: probably just increase it. So, yes, you're going to get the.
Speaker 1: Right people in there. There's noted about that.
Speaker 10: Although the thirty thousand extra public servants, the buck's got
Speaker 10: to stop with the government and the ministers. You've got
Speaker 10: control over your department, how much is allocated to staffing
Speaker 10: where that's where things have to be taken seriously.
Speaker 1: And look, there's no doubt that.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think politicians are underpaid for what they do,
Speaker 10: but I don't think they deserve more pay because I
Speaker 10: agree with you it should be a public service. It
Speaker 10: should be something that you do for a public service.
Speaker 10: In my role, I'm not so sure the leadership of
Speaker 10: public servant departments. I think those days are gone, Paul,
Speaker 10: that we somehow attract people to those roles that are
Speaker 10: some sort of duty bound nature to the commonwealth we
Speaker 10: need to pay for excellently.
Speaker 2: I get so, all right, let us get to it here.
Speaker 2: We're not a loser of the year, Sam Crosby win
Speaker 2: or a loser of the year maybe both who stands
Speaker 2: out for you.
Speaker 7: I don't want to do loser of the year. It's
Speaker 7: you know, that's bad, right, Like I like the Democratic
Speaker 7: Party and I don't therefore want to I don't want
Speaker 7: to engage in that.
Speaker 1: Wine of the year. You've got to.
Speaker 7: Say, either a combination of Donald Trump, which just hurts
Speaker 7: even more.
Speaker 3: How good say it again?
Speaker 1: Or I mean, you know.
Speaker 7: The other one that is a little bit out of
Speaker 7: left field is the AI chip company in the video
Speaker 7: that I think you've seen. You know, no company in
Speaker 7: economic history, in world history, has ever grown as fast
Speaker 7: as they have in twelve months. I don't think they're
Speaker 7: going to keep going. And I don't own any shares
Speaker 7: in it, just to say we're talking, but I do
Speaker 7: not in anything, just for the record, but watching that
Speaker 7: company just explode in valuation has just been phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Essentially, these are people who made a computer chip for
Speaker 2: previously computers using gaming, and then they worked out that
Speaker 2: chip's good for AI. The explosion of AI, the explosion
Speaker 2: of that company to the moon, Matt, who is it
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 3: Win or a loser?
Speaker 1: Look at cargo past? Donald Trump is the whinever is Sam?
Speaker 1: Got another one?
Speaker 10: I allowed as a corollary elon Musk there.
Speaker 1: I mean he put everything on the line.
Speaker 10: There's note if the Democrats were elected, he could have
Speaker 10: faced financial ruin, possibly possibly had serious legal issues on
Speaker 10: his plate as well. But the total opposites have means
Speaker 10: now in the halls of power, companies are up in value.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing turnaround. And the loser.
Speaker 10: Look, I won't pick an individual, but I just think
Speaker 10: the whole work industry, if you like, is the loser,
Speaker 10: which obviously is another consequence of the Trump a bad
Speaker 10: year for work. Trump victory has helped do that. But
Speaker 10: I think just more generally, there's a massive backlash emerging
Speaker 10: among young people in particular against the propaganda being shut
Speaker 10: down their throats, and I think the politicians that don't
Speaker 10: realize that are going to be rudely get rudely awakened
Speaker 10: in the elections to come, because I think there's a
Speaker 10: whole army of young people are just against being served
Speaker 10: rainbow diet day and day out. We just they just
Speaker 10: want to get back to basics. So if you saw
Speaker 10: a poll today show that young people now for young people,
Speaker 10: cost of living is the highest priority. Is taken over
Speaker 10: from climate the last election for the first time since then.
Speaker 10: Things are turning around big time for young people, and
Speaker 10: any political movement where there's worth a salt has to
Speaker 10: move with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, Sam, You got the last thirty
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