WEBVTT - David Noble - The winding road to AFL coach 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.399 He rang and I don't reckon he could talk about 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:15.040 thirty seconds when yeah, he was absolutely devastated, completely nutterly devastated. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.639 So as a parent, yeah, it's not a you know, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.439 it's not a death or anything. I'm unfortunate, but yeah, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.320 he was just I thought he'd misdied me. That's how 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:27.680 I was talking to him to talk. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.600 I'm John Ralph and I'm Glenn McFarlane. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.880 Welcome to Sacked, a podcast that explores what really happens 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.440 when the ax falls in the AFL world. Will take 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.160 you behind the scenes with some of the biggest names 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.599 in football and find out how they found out their 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.360 time was up and who pulled the trigger. Sacked AFL 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.800 is made possible with the support of subscribers to The 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.199 Herald Sun. To find out more, go to Herald Sun 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.560 dot com that are you or download the Herald Sun 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.760 app at your app store today. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.440 No regrets that David Nobles story. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.840 Nothing came easy for the short blonde kid who spent 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.160 his teenage years emptying the vending machine in his old 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.640 man's pub in Hobart, finally getting the chance at Fitzroy 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.560 with a home ground North Hobart, to be at the 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.720 age of twenty one, Noble's league career pete it out 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.360 at exactly two games in one season. He worked hard 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.480 to become a coach, despite some big hurdles along the way, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.120 but found his calling in recruiting and administration with the 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.000 Crows and Brisbane. And yet when the chance to be 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.640 the man at his own club appeared, Noble jumped at 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.440 the opportunity, despite the monumental challenge that leading North Melbourne posed. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.800 David Noble, Welcome to sacked, mate. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.919 You've had an incredible career in sport avenue player, assistant coach, 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:45.440 list boss, development, footy boss and now you're the see 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.720 of motor racing team and you've got a some who 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:48.480 players AFL. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.760 Have you squeezed this into fifty seven years? Mate? 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.360 I'm not sure, Glenn. Here you going, John? Yeah. Look 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.440 when you sort of I guess the will just keeps turning, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.680 sort of keep moving forward, you move on to the 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.960 next task, and it's not sort of until you get 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.120 to chat with guys like yourself in reflection that you 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:08.880 sort of look back and go, holy moly, there's been 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.000 a fever of groundcver there. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.840 You're a lively skillful rover When you began your senior 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.600 footy career at North Hobart. How did it you know, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.760 how did you get into North Hobart and how did 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.520 your sporting and footy career start. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.960 Yeah, my dad played at North Alfi John Noble and 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.720 then dad was a commentator back in a a publican. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.040 I'm and Dad had pubs through Tazzy and so we're 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.679 hotelier is through there and my dad was president of 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.800 the aoh was national president at one point in time, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.040 and I ended up sort of working in the pub. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:42.240 I don't know if the child. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.359 Labor is the right way you could get away with it? 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.720 Then well you could. Yeah, the intercom went, I had 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.960 to go down and they count the twenty cent pieces 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.839 out of the bingo machine and refeel the tills. So yeah, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.799 Dad played through there, played with junior footy for a 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.160 cuples with North Hovard under a Danes with a guy 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.000 called Wayne Upton, and then probably came straight out of school. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.960 Darryl Sutton came down from North and Sydney and started 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:17.160 coaching North. I had a pre season through there as 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.360 a really young buck. As a seventeen year old. I 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.280 was uck enough they let me train and yeah, I 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:28.680 got my debut through through Darryl and yeah, I started from. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.320 There and from there some really good success. You became 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.200 a vice captain of the club, You won two premierships. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.120 There was the call to Victoria coming because I think 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.160 there was at the Melbourne Footy Club. There was an 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.680 interest there from Melbourne at one stage in eighty seven 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.040 or something along those lines. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.840 Yeah, yeah, I think so. Gary Davidson came on board 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.000 and was probably ahead of his time. I mean David 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.520 I'd come back from Richmond. He was a teacher by trade. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.600 You know. He loved the work that Parker had done 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:03.000 in investing in in you know, his people and giving 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.680 them a say so from that side of things, yeah, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.480 he was great. He pushed us to a new level 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.840 of fitness, He challenges to a new level of engagement 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.599 and taking responsibility that sort of collaboration. Yeah. I'd seen 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.640 a couple of guys, you know, I played against Maddy 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.640 Armstrong and Lynchy and a few of those guys and 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.680 they went early and I'm thinking, ship, surely I'll get 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.159 a chance, But yeah, it wasn't until I was twenty 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.120 one that I got the chance. And back then, you know, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.080 I distinctly. Remember that if you didn't get drafted in 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.000 your early couple of years like he were toached, you 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.600 were just about, you know, not there. And you know, 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.640 Arthur Wilson came down and spoke to me, and you know, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.080 God love him, and he's no longer with us, and 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.040 I reconnected when I went back to Brisbane. Yeah, he 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:51.640 recruited me. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.320 And obviously James Podziadley was the marquee man for recruits 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.120 ladder in their twenties. But was that something you said 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.960 to John when he was battling away in the essay 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.080 and Phil you know, take time. I was a late bloomer, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.040 because it's amazing to think that history repeated. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.960 Yeah, yeah, it was. Was the was both the twins actually, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.080 I mean Mark didn't unfortunately get drafted, but it was 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.880 it was just chip away, you know, continue to just 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.200 you know, search for improvement, you know, continually look to 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.760 improve and hone your game. And I've always had the 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.880 philosophy roughly that I think, you know, recruiters will find you. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:24.839 If you're good enough, they'll find you. There's enough of 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.120 them around as we know, and if you're good enough, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.040 you'll get found. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:30.440 They found you. But you had to wait. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.400 So Chris Grant was pick one five in the nineteen 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.800 eighty eight National Draft. You were one hundred and eleven 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.360 in the eighty nine National Draft as a twenty two 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.080 year I think you missed it irrelevant. If you're the 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.000 last pick of the NFL draft, you must have been 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.600 pretty close to the last pick in that draft. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:44.760 There was about four or five others. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.520 I checked it up last night, David including it makes 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.280 me feel there's a couple of good ones in there 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:50.720 as well. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.679 Yeah, well back then it was Look I think now, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.560 well I don't know about now, but when I was 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:03.039 in the list, management did something. It got overseas and 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.840 went to a few teams and looked at how they 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.280 sort of did things in the NFL, and look, the 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.480 lad of the draft, the stronger the character. That's what 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.400 they ended up doing. And so I'm going to stand 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.880 by that because one hundred and eleven means I've got 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.440 a lot of character. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.680 You did, and you came to a footy club that 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.400 was you know, I had a lot of ta as 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.440 you said before, a lot of tazzy guys that ended up. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.600 At Fitzroy, didn't they in that sense? And coach by 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:23.239 Curly Austin. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.520 You had some injuries in that first year, but I 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.120 hate to take you back to your first game. You 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:28.559 did play it at home, but it was a pretty 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:29.599 tough day though, wasn't it. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.640 I'll get the cheers of the crowd because he comes 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.839 from North ho but this is his home ground. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.240 I'd get a touch here too. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.880 Yeah. Debuted on my home ground and got thrashed by 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.560 one hundred and fifty six points. And I played on 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.160 garriers and at one stage, wow, I thought, oh yeah, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.920 I've got him covered and then I reckon. Within three 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.279 seconds he was having a shot on goal. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.640 What was it like to play with airs? You know 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.120 that smooth mover, great mover through traffic. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:55.320 What was he like? Easy? 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:55.599 Was? 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.400 He was Canane, the Barbarian. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.640 He was apart from his size, is the the biggest 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.120 cups I've ever seen in a life until I worked 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.719 with Neil Craig. But he just didn't stop. Ralphie Like 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.880 for me, it was just like holy crap, Like it 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.080 is non stop the whole time. They don't rest, they anticipate, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.600 they predict where the ball went. And it was a 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.600 great lesson like for me as a twenty one twenty 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.040 two year old. It's like, you know, I've got so 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.760 much still to learn in the caper. So yeah, it was. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.320 It was a pretty big lesson well stats, whyse though, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.440 you've still had eighteen touches in a team that's been 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.520 absolutely flowed, two tackles and one hit out David, Do 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.000 you remember the hit out one. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:35.880 Hit out there as well? 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.080 But that was Passy's first game in you know, first AFL, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.640 know AFL game at the time, in thirty nine years 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.520 to be played there, did it mean something special to 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:45.400 play it there? 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.000 And oh your family would have been there? 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.280 It was it was extremely you know, a proud moment 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.440 to have family there playing my old home ground. Funny 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.360 story though, because back then we got billeted out. We 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:03.600 didn't start a hotel really, no, we had, you know, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.680 a couple of Terry Moore, his mum and dad had 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.560 people start at their place. I started up a brother's place. Yeah. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.920 We And I think I think if the truth known, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.240 Ralphie and I know you had Rouzy on a couple 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.160 of weeks ago, I think a couple of them went 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:24.600 and checked into a hotel somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, And back 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.200 then it was like, you know, that was the way 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.760 that we had to do it. I mean we had 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.520 no money. A few always hadually have to pay for 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.640 our own bags and boots and bits and pieces. It 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.760 wasn't you know, the the improved or the glamorous environment 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:38.559 that is at the moment. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.360 So you had no money, but it was a pretty 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:40.920 powerful side. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.360 So you played again the next week and then not 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.840 after How you know how many what ifs and how 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.280 many close run things where they're involved in your career, Fitzroy. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.400 A lot, I think unfortunately. You know, I did go 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.640 and speak to to Sure at the end of the 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.080 year and yeah, I said I was going to go 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.000 and do an improvement program. I'd gone to get a 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.160 speed coach and bits and pieces, and he pretty much 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.800 said he didn'tink to make any difference. Gary Buchener at 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.680 the time then got a pointed to Sydney and he 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.160 rang me and said, look, they'd be keen to have 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.720 me in Sydney. And unfortunately I didn't have a manager 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.760 back then and didn't know that I had to renominate 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:16.360 for the draft. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.400 And then you get to the Western Bulldogs in nineteen 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.040 ninety eight for like a captivating period there under Terry Wallace. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.000 Player rang me and said, looking looking for a coach 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.760 for the for the reserves as it was back then, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:33.439 come on board. We still ran our own structure from 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.640 a reserve ran on the smell of an early rag. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.199 There was financial powerhouses early on there were. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.679 Yeah, I like taking on those challengers and yeah, won 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.320 a flag. It was was unbelievable, you know, to play 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.480 the coach on the MCG and when a flag was 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:52.839 is a very cherished. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.000 Memory and how how much did they celebrate that given 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.880 that you know flags are in short supply until twenty sixteen. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.600 Yeah, it was a it was a bit of sweet 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.120 because we got we got bold over the seniors got 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.719 bold over in the premium again and we sort of 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.000 were to sort of push through and win the flag. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.439 So it was it was it was an awkward b 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.040 and F. You know, there's a few of us having 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.360 a few drinks and there was like sort of a 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.240 somber mode on the other side. So but yeah, any 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.600 cis test success at that point in time, you know, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.120 for the Doggies was well. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.480 Cherished and that was Plow in his prime. Really wasn't 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.120 it As a coach? 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.520 Yeah, what did you take from from him in your 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.400 coach coaching pathway there date. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.720 He is the coach that I would go to for 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.680 to make a move to win a game. Like he 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.800 just had an unbelievable skill to be able to assess 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.920 who needs to be where at what particular point in time. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.560 I mean, I think you could talk to someone like 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.640 John O. John A would play six spots in one day, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.760 but the right time to have him or Brownie go 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.760 forward or go back, or go in the center bounce 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.959 like Plower just had an unbelievable understanding of the game. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.400 And so I think for me, his detail of knowing 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.880 what to do when to do was It's a bit innate, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.320 but he had a phenomenal ability to assess the game 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.640 quickly and make quick decisions. I think back then to Glenn, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.560 you're able, you probably had more matchups than what you 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.720 do now. You could legitimately have matchups. And his ability 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.080 to maneuver and manipulate the team to get an outcome 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.760 with their first class. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.240 It's a great combination too, because he's got the tactical act. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:30.960 Remember then, he's got the themes, you know, signed the 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.920 match balls. Yeah, absolutely as well. And talking about the 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.560 flood game, but that's a pretty powerful union of both 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.000 of those characteristics. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.160 Yeah. Yeah, the flood game is an interesting one. We 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.199 went down to Wriby, we marked out the field, the 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.960 coaches all came in in trench coats into the meeting. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.920 This we were going in cognito to ambush this game. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.880 We went out, we had all the ground marked up 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.480 in squares, and he nailed the execution, like to a t. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.880 We bowled them over comfortably in the end. And yeah, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.160 it was, it was a it was It was a 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.040 master stroke game. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.440 And so how long did you spend plotting out or 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.199 you know, the blokes standing in those positions is for. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.040 Those that you know this is the uber flood. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.200 There was before the flood, before you know, Rodney sort 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:19.880 of instituted it. And you know what was it that 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.959 session like and did the players buy into it or 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.199 do they have to be challenged to think? 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.200 We coun't be essident they had to be challenged. It's 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.480 like it's got to be shipped me like we do 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.800 on this. Really, it took us a couple of days 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.480 to convince the guys. It was like, okay, you've got 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:41.040 to fall back to this spot to really heavily inundate 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.880 that area to not get through, and then we sort 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.240 of stepped them through it, and then we went out 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.120 and we trained it, and eventually the benefit was the 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.240 player got them all united. We've got them all on 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.120 the same page, which I think is the trade of 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.240 any game plan. If you are a strong leader, and 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.439 you can have the worst game plan in the world, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.920 but if you're all united, it's the strongest game plan 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.720 in the world. And that's what we had. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.360 Absolutely and Plow you stood in for Plower in a 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.520 in a pre season game. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.679 Did you down in Tazzy? Was that one of the ideas? Yeah, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:12.520 what happened there and. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.400 That must have been a you know, you must have 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.559 been thinking at that stage, at some stage, I want 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:17.400 to coach at this level. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.760 Yeah. Absolutely, it's a great opportunity. I think player had 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.959 a great sentiment, you know, in understanding that and us 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.600 going back to Tazzy and he said, look a lot 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.920 of the coach for the for the game down there 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.080 back at my old home ground. It's a bit of 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.200 a blur sort of, I think, Glenn, looking back on 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.840 it now, there was just so much excitement, I think 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.840 from my side of things to just probably not muck 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.959 anything up, you know, so just knowing that you're sort 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.840 of going to hand the baby back at a point 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.920 in time. So yeah, look at it was. It was 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.920 great to be able to just take charge for a 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.360 day and see the I guess the level that you 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.480 sort of have to go to to get that next opportunity. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.600 That was an incredible side that period there for the 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.800 Bulldog not to win an AFL senior flag. Do you 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.959 look back at that now and think some of these 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.760 guys really deserve it? They put everything into it. How 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.920 stiff were they, do you think nine in that sort 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:13.440 of bracket? 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.880 Yeah, I was watching, I knew I was going there 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.520 again of ninety seven and I'm cheering like crazy. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.120 I still think it was a goal at the end 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.960 of the day. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:31.880 Clips time. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.400 So right a point, what. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.720 Do they do when they go yeah, yeah, Brett Montgomery 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.320 does so he was standing wrong. Yeah, I think to 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.800 see the guys like you know, Tonal Libritory that have 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.800 worked so hard he had a need come back in 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.960 the shortest amount of time to get himself back and going. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.560 You know, Maddie Croft, those guys, it's gotta wine that 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.040 had sort of been through, you know, through that period, Grandy. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.560 I mean there's some there's some fabulous players that. Yeah, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.000 it's always an interesting one is that they do you 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.280 deserve to sort of get that, you know, metal. But 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.920 here we were. We were a group that had the 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.800 bones of our backside out. We were cap in hand 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.840 to the AFL all the time, and we we battered 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.920 above our weight, you know, for those two or three 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.520 years strongly. It was. It was a phenomenal effort, was 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.080 well led organization. David Smrgan did a great job to 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.680 keep a ship afloat and we played some exciting footage 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.440 through that period time. So we were a bit stiff. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.160 Terry Wallace, we understand how to contracted Sydney. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.400 He moves on, He's denied the farewell game betrayed, according 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.360 to David Morgan, who later city regretted that, what's your 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.000 memories of that crazy few weeks as you something's happening here, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.840 but I don't really know why Terry's leaving. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.080 Then it obviously became clear. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.200 Yeah, it's pretty clear in my mind because I got. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.800 The at the end that you did that. Yeah, So they. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.960 Put RhoD In Wrodeer coach the team for the rest 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.920 of the year. He got the gig and look at 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.920 me was I didn't gree but he had the respect 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.960 to call me with me eyeboll and say, budgets maan cup, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.480 I haven't got a spot for her. We just bought 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.360 a house. We're in debt up to our eyeballs, and yeah, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.160 we pretty much lost everything. You had to put the 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.840 family in the trailer and drove to Adelaide for a job. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.520 Well, so what do you have to sell your house? 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.560 You know, it's it's as visceral as that. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.600 Yeah, we had it. We bought a new house and invested. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.080 I mean back then, if you remember he went with 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.440 that tween in a two thousand and two, you could 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.160 borrow as much as you possibly could get from so 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.560 we did, and yeah, it just it just didn't work 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.760 out for us from a financial perspective. So yeah, we 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.240 had we had to Wadelaide and basically had to reset 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:45.800 our whole life. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.600 Yeah, tell you what, I'm about to say the same thing. Yeah, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.480 I still let you borrow a heck of a lot. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.520 To tell you what, but how do you how do 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:54.400 you break that to your life? 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.400 Yeah? Not very not very pleasantly. It's you know, you're 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.160 the number one read winner, and there's a range of 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.639 embarrassment and difficulty that's got to come with that conversation. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.040 And yeah, look, I just all though of a career. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.800 I think like she's the rock behind our family. I 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.760 just can't thank her enough. She's just supported me and 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.120 we're everywhere I've asked to go, she's gone. But yeah, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.879 to sit there and say, look, we have to find 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.000 a job. We probably have to put the house on 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.600 the market. They called an election at that point in time, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.080 back into Victoria. Back then the market traditionally in those 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.400 periods which I found out, you know, sort of during 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.919 that since the market, real estate market flattens, you know, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.040 closing rates go down, and we had to sort of 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.280 firesale the property to get ourselves out of debt. Well 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.800 we didn't get out of there, but yeah, we just 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.919 had to pick ourselves up and choof off with three kids. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.480 You proud are your resilience throughout all that time. But 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.199 everyone has stepbacks. But you know, they hit you. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.960 Pretty hard, they do. Yeah, they they question you a lot. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.800 There's no doubt that life presents a lot of challenges 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.680 for us. We've been been through some enormous challenges and 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.040 just getting Our family started with all our kids in 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.160 the IVF, and that presented its own challenges, you know, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.119 to establish a family. And that's why we were so 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.119 down close. It's just because of the hard work and 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.320 the effort that goes into establishing a family unit. But yeah, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.879 we think we're pretty resilient. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.800 Punch Glenn and I she had to be here in 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:30.960 Glenelger gather around this. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.120 She did beautiful place, a magnificent place there with Jade 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:35.639 Rowlings the coach. Now how did you find yourself a 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.280 coach there? And what did you learn about it in 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.679 that second chapter, third chapter of your life? 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:45.399 Yeah, I thought about going in the after I finished 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.679 the reserves won the flag. We then ended up I 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.720 don't know if you remember back then, you guys, we 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.879 sort of dispersed players back out to the VFL. So 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.320 we had some where we had some of Williams down 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.600 Clark are actually coached whereby at that point in time. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.280 And then I sort of had that period I thought 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.920 maybe I need to go back and coach. I didn't 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.439 think my footy profile was going to be enough to 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.200 compete with like Rouzi coming out at three hundred games, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.320 and back then it was sort of more bad transition 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.600 of players going into coaching. So glenelg advertised I had 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.280 an uncle in Adelaide that sort of flipped me in 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.639 text and said, I look, galdeolgo for a coach. I 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.880 missed out on the North Battle job, and I missed 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:28.040 out on a job at Hawthorne Park. I think was 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.840 still involved sort of through there and anyway, so I 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.240 got the job of corne Elgen. Yeah, jumped in the 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.600 car and we sort of drove over and settled in Adelaide, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.720 And yeah, I love thenfl a I love the cultural 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:45.439 environment and the growth of club land. I think roughly 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.439 like eighteen sixteen to eighteens, reserves, seniors. They operated on zones. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:55.680 We had the Southeast, which was a phenomenal Boody renowned environment, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.120 put up and set up a footy academy there, which 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.159 I think is still going today to really capture and 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:06.160 grow those squad players as they came through, and really 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.119 enjoyed the time through there. We didn't have necessarily great results, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.920 We've had a five year plan, but yeah, I really 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.080 enjoyed the time there. Some great people. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.919 Those five years at Adelaide as assistant coach. Before you 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.760 move into list management, footy operations. Some of their great years, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:25.320 they're building years. There's some almost there's again for deep 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:26.359 into finals. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.840 Should have won at least one of them. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.880 Two thousand and six was that the one. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.480 I think it might have been five. We Craigie had 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.440 a march over the whole competition, our preparation through that year, 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:46.080 the way we trained, the way we used GPS. Yeah, 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.000 the whole sports science, the methodology of how we played. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.040 It was a very clear method to what we and 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.080 I think we kept. I think we just ran out 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.879 of path at the end of five. We probably trained 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:59.520 too hard towards the end. 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.560 Had a year in which Ru got Michael Schuter got 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.440 pav virus. You had some you know, and people were 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.440 questioning the methods, but they were methods that have got 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.520 you to the brink of a Grand five premiership. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.800 Yeah. So look, we tweaked a bit and maybe you're 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.120 rightly maybe six is one. 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.000 Maybe got away finals. 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.480 Yeah, they were to finals and the one in for memory, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.280 the one in six was at six home, wasn't it. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:23.880 It was at home? 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.280 It didn't get West Coast the eventual premiere as well. 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:29.760 Yeah, incredible, there's how close. 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:31.960 But there's there's a there's a funny storing there, but 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.000 it's not for unfortunate, but it was it was a difficult, Yeah, 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.919 it was. It's a difficult pill to swallow that one. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.720 We thought we had a cousins got out of control 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.800 in the second half and dominated the game and we 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.680 weren't able to put them away early enough, And yeah, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.320 we had to look at our wounds, and yeah, it 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.879 was probably probably that one. Being at home was probably 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:54.080 the one that really stung the most. 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.879 You were there as the list boss and you know, 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.720 predating your time as a list boss as well, the 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.159 Curt Tippet scenario. We're basically they know you might explain 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.199 it to us better, but basically had provisions in his 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.159 in his contract there that he could escape for you, 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:07.920 what was it the second or third round pick? 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.840 And obviously that was exposed. 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.639 Later on and Stephen Trigue was well, the club was 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.000 panealized with, as you say, a couple of first round picks. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:15.879 How did that break? What did you know of it? 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.840 Obviously very little? And how did it play out? 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.760 I didn't know about the deal behind the scenes, but 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.600 I was in the conversations with Phil Harper and myself 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.159 in the conversation with Sydney, and yeah, it was like, 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.600 holy crap, this is this is rather serious. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.280 The Kurt Tippets saga has taken a sinister twist, with 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.399 the Adelaide Crows facing a hefty fine and a loss 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.840 of draft picks. The club has admitted having a hidden 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:46.600 clause in Tippett's last contract, agreeing to exchange him to 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.600 the club of his choice for a second round draft pick. 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:54.280 Look at it got escalated to Rob Chapman and from there, 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:59.760 you know, we opened the doors to an investigation, and yeah, 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.400 weended up coppying some unfortunate some stuff got suspended and 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.640 we copped some Yeah, I missed out some picks and 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.199 we had to sort of pigreess I was up and 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.520 keep going. So it was it was an awkward, difficult time. 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:13.840 And the silly thing was that there was room in 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:15.639 the cap if we wanted to, I think for a 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.679 memory of what we were trying to pay Kurt, there 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.600 was actually room in the to do it. Like it 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.040 wasn't like we were capped out, but. 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.080 Incredibly awkward time at the club. Were so many things 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.680 going on, and and Dean Nayli's there for a period 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.960 of time and and Dean unfortunately has that penalty and 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.640 then passes away. How awkward was that and how difficult 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.280 was that for the club at that time? 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.800 It was bloody awful, Glenn, to see a guy who 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:47.359 I'd known for a long period of time be castigated 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.400 in the way that I think he did. I'm not suggesting, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.679 I mean the truth always somewhere in the middle with 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:55.520 all of these these ways. But I spent a lot 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.919 of time with Baos behind the scenes. He helped me 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.480 put a lot of things together in less management. His 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:06.960 counsel was. It was just so clear he was great 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.320 Forcindo and it was it was just such a sad 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.719 period of time to see him and I have I 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.520 have personally have no doubt that the stress caused his 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:20.440 illness one hundred percent. You know, he would never necessarily 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.680 reflect on it for too long, but you could tell 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.960 it absolutely burned him to the core. It as to 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:28.080 how he was he was treated. 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.359 It can break someone. And again we all feel like 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:31.400 at times clubs. 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.600 Did things to maximize their draft picks, but issue was 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.080 not that was issues that the AFIL never pulled it up, 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.320 and so it became encouraged and it became almost. 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:38.840 Normalized as well. 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:43.440 And yeah, horrible, horrible time, Patty Dangerfield. So I mean, yeah, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.240 you lost a free agent, or he didn't lose him 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:46.880 as a free agent, or you know, you didn't officially 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.879 match the deal. Obviously that that became a trade. It 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:53.040 was at nine to eight nine, twenty eighteen, Gore, what 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.600 was that period? Like, you know how long before that 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.360 was just obvious that Paddy was going to go home. 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.880 So you couldn't really do much to stop it. 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.960 He and I had a deal Ralphie that he would 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.320 tell me before I'd tell anyone else. He's good made 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.560 of mine. We had a great relationship. He came two 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.320 weeks before he told Paul Paul he probably does now, 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:15.760 but and I just said, just just give me a 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.080 bit of a heads up. I said, I just probably 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:18.760 need to get my head around how to plan that 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.800 for us internally. Bits and pieces. We went over to 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.040 a little Italian restaurant over in West Lakes and he 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:30.200 sat down and I said, you're leaving. Yeah, yeah, he says, 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.119 time for me to go home. I said, you can 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:33.680 give you one more ye, because said I think we're 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.000 really close. He said no, I can't, he said, Marty's 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.520 needs to go, and which was fine. So then what 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.800 we did through that list management period, what I did 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.280 was I looked at what we were losing, not in 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.280 regards to Paddy days, for I looked at the skill 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.000 set we were losing. It was like, what are we losing. 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:54.240 We're losing stop each strength, we're losing running up, we're 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:59.280 losing areel, we're losing goal keeping power. And we went 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.440 to work on pulling some of those components together through 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.120 a different mechanism. We were never going to be able 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.040 to pull one person through that. We had to go 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.840 about it a different way, and we started to replace 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.760 some of those parts over the next year or two 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.600 so that we didn't feel like we were completely diminished 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.600 in any one particular era. So we tried to reconstruct 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.119 it in a different way. That was sort of a 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.080 methodology I think of list management. 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.880 And it feels like you got the absolute top dollar 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.440 for him in terms of a trade, because I assume 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.960 that first round compensation pick you're a reasonable side. It 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:31.680 might have been I don't know, ten, twelve, fifteen. 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:32.359 As a single. 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.440 Yeah, yeah, well he was great. He rang and he said, 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.479 look once that couple of weeks sort of played out. 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.359 He said, let's sit down and get our heads together. 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.000 We went to the AFL on quite a few options. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.440 Back then they were prepared to give us their first 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.000 round if the AFL would also give the compensation. I 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.240 think that was fair. I went to Andrew Dyllon and said, 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.439 can we take points and add that points into to 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.520 a pick to sort of move our picks up so 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:03.240 that we don't I guess I suppose you do going, 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.159 but don't add any more picks into the draft. Back 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.399 then they didn't want to sort of do that. We 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.840 came up with a range of different things and Wellsy 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.959 and myself, I think red he was sort of with 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.479 us at that stage. We calibrated a deal and I 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:16.720 went to the board and I said, well, look it 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.200 sort of on a point scale. It's sort of a 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.920 quest of this and I had to convince the board 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.560 a little bit to accept it, and we moved on. 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.840 We had Brenton Sanderson sit in the very chair David, 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.880 and he obviously was replaced, and you had a big 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.760 say and a big involvement in the appointment of Phil Welsh. 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.200 Can you take us behind the scenes in regard to that. 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.760 Yeah, while she was while she was a guy that 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.600 was never going to apply really Yeah, yeah, he said, 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.800 if my record's not not good enough and you can't 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.080 work it out, well I'm probably not for you. 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:47.480 He was. 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:53.440 He was a unique character so much like yeah, yeah, 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:58.199 and when we first got him in there, he nailed 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:03.480 everything that we possibly do. Alan Stewart obviously worked with 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.840 Phil back through Portland while she went to West Coast 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:13.840 and then came back. And yeah, he in the exercise 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.480 that we did in the interview. I don't think this 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.440 is sort of being mentioned too much, but we run 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.439 a scenario and I still do that with interviews now. 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.000 We ran a scenario. We had a five minute segment 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.359 of tape that we hope that they hadn't sort of watched. 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.600 We played it live and they had to Basically we 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.199 were the coaches in the box and he had to 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.359 coach for that five minutes. He was phenomenal. He just 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.200 like making moves and what he would want and the data, 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.800 the want he had the whole picture. He just placed 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.080 himself in that spot that Yeah, it was a no 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:44.760 brainer at the end of the day, like he's nearly 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.720 offering a job on the spot that was sort of 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:47.400 how good it was. 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.680 And obviously we know the story there and he has 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.640 the twelve. What sort of change did he make initially 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:54.000 in there? 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:54.160 Was? 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.880 It? 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.719 Was it a phenomenal start. You know that he had. 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.440 There's some really good performances in that. We know that 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:01.240 we saw a film. 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:05.040 As a coach, he saw he saw things I think 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.120 leaning in people that they probably didn't see them in themselves. 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.320 Like he was the first on with texts leadership buyers, 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.120 not the first, but the first to provide that opportunity 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:19.880 and really challenge him in that space. You couldn't have 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.800 had a more positive coach at training like I'd never experienced. 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.560 It was just there was no negativity. It was like 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:33.000 the also bits got left and he just reinforced the 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.680 positiveness all the time. He got every coach on the 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.040 training ground miked up, and he would send messages through 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.520 the coaching group to pass on to someone up the 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.600 other end. Rather than yelling, he would make sure that 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.360 we were following that positive He was sort of right 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:53.400 in that positive growth mindset, very clear on the methodology 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.680 of how we wanted to play. There was no guess work, 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.640 but there was still freedom to do what we wanted 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.280 to do. He was very big on the the defense 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.520 needs to be structured, the offense needs to be freedom. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:10.200 And yeah, coming out of from Neil de Sando into 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.320 Walshe it just gelled. It jelled straight away. 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.160 How do you forecast what he could have been? Like 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:17.960 you talked about sliding doors moments. You can't say you 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.160 would have been a coaching great, but I mean it's just, yeah, 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.160 what could he have done over maybe ten years at Adelaide? 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.240 He would have won at least one I reckon would 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.800 have won at least one flag. I reckon if not too. 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.640 I just think he's not only his methodology but his 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.840 ability to stay ahead of the game. You know, I 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.880 think Ralphie he would work from four am in the 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.120 morning and he being better at seven you'd just be exhausted. 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.200 But he would be in yeah, way before anybody else would. 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.760 He had a clear methodology as to how he played 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.680 his feet feedback for everyone. So he'd write a list 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.960 of two key points for every player and he'd hand 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.800 that to every coach on Monday morning and they were 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.240 the enforcement points for everyone that we so so there 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.680 was no mixed messages. He didn't want a scenario where 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:10.520 there was mixed messages at all straight you knew where 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.440 you stood wearing with him. There was no Yeah, there 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.760 was there was no, but it wasn't in a nasty 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.040 dictatorial way. It was just an honest this is where 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.560 I see you. And the players loved it. They love 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:27.760 that feedback. I don't know when he would have been, Yeah, 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.800 I think he would have been a phenomenal senior coach 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:30.560 over a period of time. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.280 And the morning of we know what happened obviously, the 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.640 morning of, can you take us through how you first 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.880 heard that that that feel was gone. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.000 I got a call from the CEO about three in 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:50.280 the morning, thinking it was beside the bed. I didn't again. 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:55.800 A players drunk or you know something, something. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:00.240 One of those ones. I thought you might be a 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.960 pocket doll or something. Anyway, phase rang again, and I 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.320 picked up the phone and I sort of walked out 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.960 of the bedroom and he said, our coach has been murdered. 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.720 And I remember distinctly, I had the phone in my 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.000 left hand to my ear. I didn't have I didn't 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.080 have a stitch on, and I had my hand over 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.680 my mouth. And my wife walked out and she said, 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.800 what's happened, and I reckon, I just stood there for 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.080 about ten seconds and Fake said of you there, and 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.959 I went, yeah, I just it was just like I 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.120 just rose. I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.560 It was like I was in a dream. 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.200 Is that as challenging though, as a morning as you've 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.000 had to have to inform people to bring the players together, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.040 had of that morning unfolded? 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.680 Yeah, it's it's just I don't know how scary as 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.960 that I were, but it's it's as awful as it gets. 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.320 It just no one can prepare you for it, just 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.880 as Yeah, it's as horrendous as it gets to be 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.520 able to. Let's say I was in the carriage I 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.040 passed through or four o'clock, was driving into Adelaide. We 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.160 sort of there was myself, Chappy Phase and Emma bar 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:08.480 There was a Forusma was the PDM at the time, 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.440 and so we met and we we said and we 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.800 tried to I don't know to strategizes the right word, 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:17.600 but we were just trying to work out what do 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.640 we do, like, you know, how do we handle from 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:23.720 this who's who's here? We had won a Coach Heith Union, 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.480 which who I talked to took the north with me. 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.040 Was a great friend of mine. He was overseas and 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.320 he was really close to Walsh's like colleague crab. We've 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.640 got a whole lot of host of things to do. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.000 Who do we support, who do we contact? What do 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.880 we do? Yeah, and we just tried to work through 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.400 I don't know a logical process. I think to see 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.080 try to help everybody that we knew we were going 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.920 to have to help throughout the day. Yeah, yeah, it 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:50.920 was Buddy to was awful. 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.480 And that week so the game's canceled. 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.240 Eventually playing the next game, you know, emotional organic tribute, 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.280 you know, which is cathartic, but you know, I still 0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:58.640 the grief. 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.120 He's there. It was a it was extraordinary period for 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.440 the IFL and for Adelaide. 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:09.040 It was Campo, you know, coached the team. He was 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:15.319 he was the senior assistant. We went to Perth. We 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.719 put all the parents and partners or whoever wanted to 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.200 come to Perth as and support makers, and we charted 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:24.320 another plane. We fow all of all of our family 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.480 and friends in as well. We played the game as 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.880 best as we could West Coast. We was so respectful. 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.160 I remember the game finishing Ralphie was a game. It 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.799 was one of those sort of really chilling, chilling in 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.120 respectful times all of the one we came out of 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.080 the box and the crowd had sort of started to 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.160 clap for West Coast, you know, because they'd won the game, 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.680 and then it just stopped, you know, as a sign 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.680 of respect of it. Just it just completely stopped, knowing 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.440 we had guys you know, on the ground in tears 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.440 and you know, just trying to deal with that, that 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:02.080 emotional sense that our coach wasn't there anymore, and it was, Yeah, 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.080 it was a pretty poignant moment. 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:05.960 And within a couple of years, this footy club's at 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.000 a Grand final. You're not there, but the players what 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.080 they're able to do. You look back now and you 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.440 think some of those guys went through hell, you know, 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.520 only two years earlier. Pretty remarkable effort and resilient effort 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.600 from the group, really with a different coach at the helm, 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.080 but pretty remarkable effort, isn't it when you think about 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:23.439 it now? 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:30.520 It is you know, I think Pike inherited a really robust, 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.200 resilient group as you see plant. It's yeah, it's something 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:41.120 that you ever want to experience, you know, the the adversity, 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.359 the emotion, the you know, the disappointment, the whole thing. 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.880 So yeah, so when when Pikey came on board that 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.000 they've been through to get themselves back into a Grand 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.000 final was great. And when I was up and brazy 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.760 at that point, I was dueing like crazy and hoping 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.120 that you know, they were going to finally get number 0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.360 three on the board. 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.320 In septem twenty sixteen. It's just a little not a regret. 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.080 But do you think you've got a good bullshit right? 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.920 Aren't you think what those guys went through with the 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.880 Adelaide camp and the crowbars and the salut and all 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.239 that kind of stuff, so you know the powerstance, you 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.120 think you would have looked at these blokes and said, no, 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.279 not for us. I know they were searching for different things, 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.840 but is that something you think to yourself? 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:20.960 If I'd been there, I would have just said no. 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:27.600 Yeah, I spoke to those guys they wanted to do 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.799 some work in Brizzie and I said no. You could 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.839 sense it, So that's yeah, yeah I did, And that's 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.960 just not for me. Look, that's diping what easy if 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:39.319 you make to say now I suppose at the time, 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.840 but my experience when they came and approached us at Brisbane, 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.879 I said no, So that's why I think I would 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:46.920 be in that bucket. 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.080 Hindsight, it was a decision you made. 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:53.000 But with another club, yeah, yeah, but they came and 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.319 spoke to me about similar sort of things about you know, 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.520 how we could sort of work through some goal setting 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.120 and different ways of tracking brain waves and bits and pieces, 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.400 and it just just it wasn't scientifically available to be 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.120 able to do that. I had a guy who was 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:08.959 working with me who was a doctor, and I said, 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.760 and he helped me run my a moneyball model of Brisbane. 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:14.000 I said, oh, can we do this? And he went 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.160 no into bukshit and I went, that's what I'm that's 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.759 what I'm sensing. So yeah, yeah, look, I don't know 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.799 at that point in time. You know who knows. It's 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:25.759 it's probably too easy for me to say no. I 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.600 wouldn't have done it, but only on the sense that 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.160 I had that experience with a couple of conversations with 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.200 those guys and I said no. Up there, I said 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.200 that I didn't have any money so the program, so yeah, 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:38.600 I said no, I. 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.120 Said, how were you last year Grand final. 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.160 You know, you're the man who's had a bit to 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.920 do with getting the coaching and you had something to 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.440 to do with those players to miss out the way 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:53.640 they did last year. You and mixed emotions obviously with 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.280 John as well missing out as well. That was a 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:57.960 difficult Grand Final for you last year. 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:04.600 It was a crappy day that one. Yeah, it was, Yeah, 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.040 it was for me. It was a really sad day. Yeah, 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.839 I was. Yeah, in the end, I was for Brisbane. 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:16.200 You know, it's like, unfortunately he got the the end 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.040 of the stick. I felt through it all, and it 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.279 was it was a really sad day for a guy 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.360 that had done absolutely everything within his power from a 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.040 mid season pick to play a certain number of games 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.640 in a row and just he's totally committed to not 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.480 get that spot and I thought was extremely disappointing. But 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.239 you know, unfortunately the seasons are made and you move on. 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.239 But yeah, from from the other side, mate, yeah, there 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:41.960 was a there was a huge element of me that 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.760 was cheering for Brisbane, not not because John to get picked, 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.600 but the sense of the work that you put in 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.279 and you've seen it all come to night and you 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.440 know it's my old team, so I played for you know, 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.640 it was nice to go back there and reflect. There's 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.520 so many people that were still there at Brisban that 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.000 remembered me run around in the twos wear number thirty eight. 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.879 It was. Yeah, it was awesome get to I've got 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.120 to spend some time without the Worsen before he passed away. 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:06.879 So there was all that side of things that you've 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.839 been able to sort of pull something together. And yeah, 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.480 unfortunately they just I thought when they hit the front, 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:15.000 I thought they were away. I did when Charlie kicked 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.359 the goal, they were just about over the line. But anyway, yeah, 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.120 so it was, it was. It was a shitty day 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.320 being a color supporter. I was sitting next to John Ralphie. 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.279 He was giving it to me at that stage. How 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.279 did John tell you that's a difficult thing to tell 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.560 your dad that I'm not playing, and it'd be the 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.600 first what I said. I my son deserved to be dropped, 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.680 and yet in this case we're all shocked because his 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.360 former ben sacled through the season. Yeah, I'm a realist, 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.520 I mean, and I'm probably as firm on him as 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.759 any mentor as gots like if you don't deserve to 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.520 be and to tell you about he rang and I 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.440 don't reckon he could talk about thirty seconds when yeah, 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:57.040 he was absolutely devastated, completely natally devastated. So as a parent, yeah, 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.400 it's just it's not a you know, it's not a 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.440 death or anything. I'm unfortunate, but yeah, he was just 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.279 I thought he'd misdied me. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.520 That's how I was to talk really, and how he's 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:10.319 held himself out. 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:12.640 Yeah, the pride at which you know, you won't get 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.400 the flag bap, but you'll have the respect of the 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.279 football world for the way he's kept himself and has 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:18.439 found a way back in this year. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:18.960 Definitely. 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:23.480 Yeah, yeah, extremely, Like all our family is scremely proud 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.360 of how he's held himself and what he's done. And 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.600 he was there to support the guys whatever needs to 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.200 be done. He was you know, he's a team player 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.239 first and he had to go away and reflect on 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.320 that and just try and make himself better. It's a 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.800 bloody credit to him and he's played some ripping footing 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:39.200 this year. 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.400 We didn't get you wanted to talk about North Melbourne, 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.560 but I mean, I think some of the most captivating 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:45.960 parts of this podcast have been people like Breton Sanderson 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.000 and brend McCartney, you know, talking about what they did 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.239 right but also wrong at a foota club. I think 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.120 you talked about, you know, when you were appointed. You know, 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.160 I should have done more research into the environment I 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.000 was walking into. How do you reflect I suppose on 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:57.600 the year and a half of the roots and what 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.680 you did right and you know probably how it unfolded, 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.680 which was not the way you wanted it to go. 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.400 Yeah, what they do right. I think I sort of 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.480 taught players, you know, sort of with the levels of 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.440 standards and expectation and continue to sort of push yourself 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.440 and being comfortable to be uncomfortable. You know, I've always 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.279 probably prided myself, you go through the career sort of 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.040 vited with those sorts of I suppose examples. I've never 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.759 been trying to take on a challenge that it's going 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.400 to make you uncomfortable or force you into an environment 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.120 of learning more about yourself, which I think, you know, 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:37.960 I tried to. I look on the back on the 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.480 fact and I think I took everything I possibly had 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.120 into it. You know, I don't feel like I left 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.920 not working hard enough or not trying to motivate or 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.880 challenge or improve. Yeah, I might have got a bit 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.960 pointy at different times, but you know what, creating the 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:59.279 high performance standards difficult and sometimes you know, challenging, and 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.200 maybe some people misinterpret that challenge has been too aggressive. 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:08.239 I don't know's that's probably for others to judge. But look, 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.600 I really enjoyed the time there. I had a few challenges. 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:18.080 The general manager moved, we had a change in chairman. 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.920 I suddenly came in. Ben sort of moved, we were 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.920 sort of I landed into a period of COVID. So 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.840 at the end of that first year, Bennie Cunnington unfortunately 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:33.240 had had cancel lost the best player. Yeah, but they're 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.480 just their cards that you dealt with. And in reflection, yeah, 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.880 maybe I should have just looked a little bit further 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.839 and deeper into it. Unlike face, I hadn't been at 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.080 the cold face of vision and you know, sort of 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.520 being into that point. But you know, I backed myself 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.919 in and I had a crack and it didn't work out, 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.320 But that's life. 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.920 Unfortunately, I don't regret taking it on. You don't regret 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:57.759 taking that on at all. 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:04.120 I don't think I have regret. But yeah, no, I 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:05.880 don't think I've got agree. I mean, I'm proud of 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.399 achieving something that I aspired too early on. It took 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.799 me a lot longer than I probably thought. But and look, 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.560 I've probably ended up in a spot where I would 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.879 have been anyway, you know where I am now. But yeah, 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.680 it was it was bloody hard. It was really hard. 0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:26.480 I think, Yeah, it's difficult. I probably didn't I didn't 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:30.399 expect the ferocity I probably got from media. I don't 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.600 have to say no disrespect rather than sit. Actually we 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.520 wrote a few articles, but I didn't probably expect the ferocity. 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:40.040 But yeah, I'm a big boy. That's what happens. You've 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.960 got to take the good with the bad. And I 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.600 take responsibility that I couldn't do enough to get the 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.480 club into a position where it was, and at the 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.200 end of the day, I'm responsible for that. But I 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.960 don't think that responsibility is just all on my shoulders. 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:53.600 Yeah, And I think that's the thing, isn't that when 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.239 things are going par shaped, or when you come to 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:55.800 a club. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.640 That just was so deep in a rebuild, there's always 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:58.160 people to. 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.439 Who were looking for a scapegut, and sometimes the coach 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.759 and then the whispering campaign starts, and look, I wrote 0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:04.200 that story about you know, we did it on the 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:05.759 couch about you know you were pretty I think you 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.799 said pretty pointed with the players in that Brisbane at 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:09.479 the meeting after the Brisbane lost. 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.000 So what happens there? 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:14.160 You just you know, you're fiery, You're you're angry, You're 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.440 keen to get the blokes to realize that they're not 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:17.719 putting in as much as they need to. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.600 Yeah. Yeah, and probably the level of competing this probably 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.400 gets a bit gets the better of me. You know, 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.040 That's why I probably reflected. I mean, Sonya and Ben 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.359 were standing outside the door and still to this day 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.719 they never came and said you need to apologize. It 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.520 was like I was playing my old team. We've been 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:40.120 not too bad in the first three quarters, and the 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.680 family there there was a there was just a whole 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.799 host of me going, oh, ship like this thought we'd 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.279 be better than this. And I was really I was 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.080 actually really good in the box that day. I was 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.480 even he sort of said about you said your box 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.440 stuff was really good. I was pretty calm, and then 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.399 I just came down and went, it's just yeah, it's 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.759 just unfortunately and I should have spoken to them. I 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:02.560 should have just walked away and just left it. But 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:07.320 I didn't good learning. I mean, I had a good coach. 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:08.920 I had a life coach that I was working with 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.440 at the time, and that was one of the sort 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.920 of periods that we reflected on and pulled that apart 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.720 as to how to sort of continue to move forward. 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.680 But yeah, it just got better off. 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:18.879 And the hardest thing is, too, I think about these 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.920 things to reflect because you know, the club said, oh, yeah, 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.040 you know, he apologized, and that was fine, But then 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.399 that feels a narrative that you had to apologize rather 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.319 than saying, you know what I did what coaches coaches do, 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:30.680 which is I read the right act. 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:32.440 And you know, we move on from there. So that's 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.080 you know, and then and then it's snowballs. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.279 Yeah yeah, and yeah, one thing these to another and 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:42.160 someone to something else, and you know, that's that's what happens. 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.320 Not to lab the point Jason Harnt Francis, how challenging 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.040 was that to deal with the player who everyone knew 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.360 was the number one pick, who I think would acknowledge 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.239 himself had a heap of growing up to do that 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.040 to do you know, you knew you had two years 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:55.200 to try and get the best out of him, but 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:56.799 you also know that he knew he could bugger off, 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.080 which is in fact what happened, you know, in his 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:00.319 after the end of his fare year. 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:01.879 You of course had moved on by then. 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:05.759 Yeah. Look, one of the most talented players I dealt with. 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.600 He just had unsore things in games that you just 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.880 you couldn't teach, you know. Is just he reminded me 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.359 a bit in that sense, like a he's probably gonna 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.560 say Bernie. Vince had great awareness, like he could take 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.120 a photo and he knew where everybody was. I remember 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:25.440 reading an article about Cavendish and as you know, he's 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.120 one of his thirty fifth spread in the in the 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.440 tour over the last week. He has an ability that 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.239 as he comes into the last one hundred meters he 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.120 takes it, he can take a photo and he knows 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.279 where everybody is. That he's got a beat that in 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.320 that stript it's called recall and which. 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:41.880 That feeling, and yeah, what would he have to do 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:42.399 to beat him? 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:43.400 Correct? 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:43.680 Wow? 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.880 Yeah, and Rare and Jace had that. Jase had unbelievable 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.160 recall and understanding and he was so frustrated as a 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.440 as a young guy wanting to play his trade, wanting 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:56.480 us to be good. That it just it just bought over. 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.560 And so there was that element of balance of high 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:02.000 end talent and he just wasn't, you know, mature at 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.279 that point in time. That was just he was away 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:08.160 from home. There was some difficulties of homesickness and frustration 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.319 with not playing well, and that's not playing well. So yeah, 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.719 it was it was a challenge, but you know, he's 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:17.360 a good person. He pop. I don't think any of 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.840 it was deliberate, but he just he just wanted to 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:20.560 be successful. 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.520 And there's nothing he did right. I'm in the club 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.360 had to pick him. You've got the likes of Boomer Harvey, 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:26.640 the AFL games record, hold of the mentor um. Some 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:27.839 of the things just don't work out. 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.759 No, no, and some enviornuses don't suit and it's just 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.000 you got to move on. Mind you. I think you 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.680 said that it was either he or I, but we 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:37.600 both ended up leaving. 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:40.400 What happened? 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.799 Yeah, yeah, you know when they when they perform a 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.640 review that you could be in trouble. 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:49.680 So how last couple of weeks you're rooted. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.680 Let's place it and then you know, I don't know 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.640 was it a relief had you know, these the gory details. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:56.759 But how did you get tell you're sacked? 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.839 No, I say it rang and we chatted on the phone. 0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:04.279 You want to catch up and I just said, look, yeah, 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:06.960 I'm in trouble. What do you want to do? How 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.680 do you want to sort of handle it? We chatted 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.480 a few times over that night. Yeah, we were at 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.520 a point where they needed to feel like they made it, 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:20.880 needed to make a decision to the board, needed to 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.839 make those decisions. I sent an email to son there 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.160 that bite to pass on to the board, just to 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.759 thank them, you know, for the opportunity. And yeah, we 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.239 got on with what you need to do in the 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:33.800 next sort of twenty four hour spoke to the players 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.880 the next day, had the presser. I think the players 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.680 caught up for dinner. I sort of popped in to 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:41.600 sort of say goodbye to sort of a few and 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.560 then yeah, then started to work out get home and 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.640 what I was going to do for the next to 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:48.600 go and have a break. 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:48.960 Yeah. 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.000 But just HARKing back on your career and speaking about 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.640 it now, you must be immensely proud of what you've 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.160 been able to achieve in the game and what you're 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.680 doing now, you know, to be chief executive officer of 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.239 a racing team as well. 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:03.520 There's so much more to get to give, isn't it. 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:07.040 Would you like to get back into footy one day? 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:12.080 I don't think so. It's probably it feels a bit sad, 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.239 but I don't. I don't think so. I think the 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.200 aspect of tipping as much as I did in there, 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.520 I think sort of led me to sort of moving 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.640 into a different journey and a different adventure. I don't 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:27.440 think I'll flick that into forty one night. 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:29.600 Thanks for listening to Sacked. 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.759 This podcast is made possible thanks to subscribers to The 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.560 Herald Sun. To find out more, go to Heraldsun dot 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.560 com dot au or download the Herald Sun app at 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:39.280 your app store.