Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray. Life
Speaker 1: had a gang? Have you Monday? So much to get
Speaker 1: to so much politics, big politics day? Of course. Yes,
Speaker 1: in a second I'll get to Albo licking the boots
Speaker 1: of the real leaders, those being is mates in China. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will get into how the political class's life got
Speaker 1: even more comfortable today. Probably didn't any about this, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to make some comment on this this evening,
Speaker 1: and then for some reason, I'll tell you what freedom
Speaker 1: water means.
Speaker 2: Freedom to old water isn't just about what's inside the bottle.
Speaker 1: It's about the message it sends with every set. Hmm. Okay,
Speaker 1: But first I want to start on some good news,
Speaker 1: and I want to start on some health news. Now,
Speaker 1: generally speaking, I don't start with the medical breakthrough all
Speaker 1: the rest of it, because normally it's some sort of
Speaker 1: company that's just trying to go for a free mention
Speaker 1: on the television. But I'll be honest. One of the
Speaker 1: things that scares me, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: know would scare an awful a lot of people watching,
Speaker 1: is about one day when our body might work but
Speaker 1: our brain won't be perfect, that we'll start to lose
Speaker 1: touch of things. And in Australia, things like Alzheimer's and
Speaker 1: dementia are very big, very big, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people live with it and we all know what the
Speaker 1: consequences are. I start the show tonight though with some
Speaker 1: good news, but let me try to explain the size
Speaker 1: of issues. Now. I know that there is a specificity
Speaker 1: of difference between dementia and Alzheimer's, But in the question
Speaker 1: of dementia, about four hundred and eighty thousand people in
Speaker 1: Australia currently have been diagnosed with some form of dementia.
Speaker 1: About eighty nine thousand people each and every year get
Speaker 1: diagnosed with it and sadly about five thousand people and
Speaker 1: the latest numbers we had with twenty twenty one died
Speaker 1: with the condition. So today it is with great hope
Speaker 1: that we read headlines that a new drug may will
Speaker 1: be on its way towards Australia which might be able
Speaker 1: to help us in the fight. To those that have it,
Speaker 1: to those that are worried about it, to those that
Speaker 1: are scared about it, this is big news now. Apparently
Speaker 1: two Alzheimer's drugs aimed at slowing cognitive delay are heralded
Speaker 1: as a step towards prevention and are expected to give
Speaker 1: be given the green light by Australian for Australian patients soon.
Speaker 1: They are the first drugs to get approved internationally for
Speaker 1: treatment for the life limiting illness in more than twenty years.
Speaker 1: Local experts are warning medications are going to be expensive,
Speaker 1: they're going to need monitoring, and may be only available
Speaker 1: to a certain section of people that are living with Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1: But still, if it helps anyone, this is what many
Speaker 1: people have been frankly praying for, hoping for for a
Speaker 1: long time. Now, let me explain some of the research
Speaker 1: behind all of this. Again, I'm not going to play
Speaker 1: a doctor on television for you. I'm just repeating what
Speaker 1: I've read in the media today. Because there have been
Speaker 1: clinical trials which have been taking place, and they have
Speaker 1: been taking place principally in the United States, but the
Speaker 1: approval process is starting to speed up here in Australia,
Speaker 1: where this is going to be an inevitability. Now, an
Speaker 1: eighteen month trial involving seventeen hundred and ninety five people
Speaker 1: between the ages of fifty and ninety the first of
Speaker 1: the drugs showed a twenty seven percent reduction in cognitive
Speaker 1: decline compared to those who were not given the drug.
Speaker 1: Patients gained six months of cognitive stabilization. Think about how
Speaker 1: important this is for yourself or the family member that
Speaker 1: you're most concerned about. With all of this, now, one
Speaker 1: of these drugs in particular has already been evaluated by
Speaker 1: the organization that decides whether these drugs can be used
Speaker 1: in Australia. That's the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration. It's expected
Speaker 1: to be available here later in the year. But here's
Speaker 1: the kick. It'll cost thirty eight thousand dollars a year
Speaker 1: per person, unless, of course, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee
Speaker 1: put it on the list where taxpayers reduced that number
Speaker 1: down and frankly, your fellow taxpayer ends up paying the
Speaker 1: best part of the thirty eight thousand dollars for the
Speaker 1: doses per year. Now, it's going to go before that
Speaker 1: committee next month and we'll know the month after in
Speaker 1: August whether it has got the sign off. But let
Speaker 1: me be very clear, and the reason I take a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes to talk about it at the start
Speaker 1: of the show. The Australian government has the money, does
Speaker 1: it have the will to turn thirty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year for this medication into something that will become
Speaker 1: close to freely available for anyone who would need it
Speaker 1: here in Australia. Well, you bet you they do. Now.
Speaker 1: This government is more than willing to put an awful
Speaker 1: lot of stuff off the budget books, but it deals
Speaker 1: that they want to do for hundreds of billions of
Speaker 1: dollars when it comes to things like submarines, or when
Speaker 1: it wants to spend again tens of billions of dollars
Speaker 1: when it comes to renewable energy. Well, the money coming
Speaker 1: into the federal government has never been higher, as you
Speaker 1: can see here a few years ago, four hundred and
Speaker 1: forty seven, then four hundred and eighty one billion, up
Speaker 1: to five hundred and fifty billion, and the last full
Speaker 1: financial year, the current one ends in a few days time,
Speaker 1: six hundred and eighteen billion dollars. They have the money,
Speaker 1: They have the money, do they have the will, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll tell you, we'll follow this process all the way
Speaker 1: through because again it frightens Australians about what may well
Speaker 1: happen if there is a drug that can help you
Speaker 1: hold on for at least another six months or maybe
Speaker 1: even getting the world of prevention. That is huge news,
Speaker 1: way bigger than anything in politics today. But let's get
Speaker 1: to the politics because that's the main meat, and I
Speaker 1: know that's why you watch this each and every night. Well,
Speaker 1: perfect example about albonomics, where the people in charge of
Speaker 1: the country will they get richer while you get poorer,
Speaker 1: yet you still have to pay more tax, Where things
Speaker 1: like in interest rates and inflation will they hollow you
Speaker 1: out but they're fine. We know this because there is
Speaker 1: currently a per capita recession, meaning for the average Australian
Speaker 1: things are going backwards. They have been going backwards for
Speaker 1: well more than a year now and even the abc
Speaker 1: CS things are starting to feel like they did in
Speaker 1: the early nineteen nineties. Now the numbers aren't exactly the same,
Speaker 1: there's not a million people unemployed, but the circumstances and
Speaker 1: the pressure are as bad as things were way back
Speaker 1: when the Australian economy is only sputtering along you wouldn't
Speaker 1: even say there was growth. There is technically growth, where
Speaker 1: in the past three months the Australian economy only grew
Speaker 1: by zero point one percent, So we are right on
Speaker 1: the edge. As soon as it starts to go into
Speaker 1: negative for three months and then another three months. Two quarters.
Speaker 1: We are in a recession. There has been a per
Speaker 1: capita recession for the best part of more than a year.
Speaker 1: So the people in charge of all of this, of course,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and his merry band of men and
Speaker 1: women as ministers, and what is about to happen for them,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that you are living some of the
Speaker 1: toughest financial conditions of our lives. People under the age
Speaker 1: of thirty have never lived anything like it. Well, as
Speaker 1: you can see there by the headline, guess what they're
Speaker 1: getting Another pay rise Now, this is the third pay
Speaker 1: rise since Albanesi became Prime minister, and it feathers the
Speaker 1: nest yet again of the people who do not need
Speaker 1: the feathering. Today was made by the of course, the
Speaker 1: completely independent tribunal, the same tribunal that one of their
Speaker 1: ministers was lobbying to give a twenty percent pay rise
Speaker 1: to a high ranking public official. And now we're in
Speaker 1: a scenario where the Prime Minister is going to earn
Speaker 1: over six hundred thousand dollars. Now, because it's other people's money,
Speaker 1: they will just throw it up against the war. But
Speaker 1: think about this. Backbenchers have now got their third pay
Speaker 1: rise since Labour came to power, and now earned two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three thousand, a minister four hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty eight thousand dollars, which is more than the Opposition
Speaker 1: leader at four hundred and thirty two one thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister now six hundred and seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Leave these up, because I want everyone to times three
Speaker 1: on all of these, and that's how much money a
Speaker 1: politician will earn should they be elected to parliament, server
Speaker 1: as a minister, be the Opposition leader, or of course
Speaker 1: be the Prime minister. I repeat the third pay rise
Speaker 1: since Labor was elected in May of twenty and twenty two.
Speaker 1: The numbers are extraordinary. Now. Of course, if they want
Speaker 1: to do the politicians could turn around and refuse the
Speaker 1: pay rise. They could do what happened in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: which was to have a wage freeze. They could move
Speaker 1: a motion in the Parliament to do so, to say
Speaker 1: thanks very much for the advice, but we will not
Speaker 1: take the pay rise. They could do this if they
Speaker 1: wanted to. Oh no, but of course it's a completely
Speaker 1: independent body and therefore they couldn't possibly overrule it. I repeat,
Speaker 1: same body twenty twenty one, the Parliament said, no, we
Speaker 1: don't need the pay rise. Will the Prime Minister get
Speaker 1: a question about this tomorrow? Let's all wait and see.
Speaker 1: If you can't talk about it because it's the international
Speaker 1: affairs of licking the boots of China, well then could
Speaker 1: somebody ask the day after that, does he deserve his
Speaker 1: third pay rise since he became the prime minister? Does
Speaker 1: every backbencher deserve their third pay rise since labor became
Speaker 1: the government? Does every useless senator deserve a pay rise? No,
Speaker 1: of course they don't. While yes, cost of living affects everyone,
Speaker 1: including people on big wages with big morel good jees,
Speaker 1: what a message to say. The same government that turns
Speaker 1: around and says we've done our best because we've given
Speaker 1: you thirty something bucks back a week in tax cards
Speaker 1: are going to get a pay rise that will be
Speaker 1: way more than thirty bucks a week.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's up to the Prime Minister to come
Speaker 1: out tonight and say thanks very much for the advice,
Speaker 1: but we don't need it. But of course there'll be tumbleweeds.
Speaker 1: Nothing will happen. Why because of course this Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: well he knows if everyone else is paid well around him,
Speaker 1: then they'll never move on him, no matter what the
Speaker 1: polls say. Now, of course, while all of this is
Speaker 1: happening at the front end of the plane, let me
Speaker 1: tell you about today. News from today that a fifth
Speaker 1: of all small businesses in Australia are out of cash.
Speaker 1: They are right on the edge of exploding and disappearing.
Speaker 1: This is on top of nine million Australians who have
Speaker 1: less than one thousand dollars in the bank, most of
Speaker 1: them less than two hundred and fifty dollars in the bank.
Speaker 1: And we learned today that high inflation will be around
Speaker 1: not full months, but four years. All of that, of course,
Speaker 1: feeds into the Reserve Bank, who meet yet again this
Speaker 1: week to decide whether to put up interest rates, to
Speaker 1: put down interest rates, but most likely to keep them
Speaker 1: at a generational high level. Now this means the tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars that people paying off their houses
Speaker 1: have had to find to pay off their homes since
Speaker 1: this government came to power, and twelve interest rate rises
Speaker 1: have happened on their watch. That they will celebrate because
Speaker 1: nothing gets worse if they keep the rates where they are.
Speaker 1: But the reality is, as I've spoken about before, the
Speaker 1: python is squeezing. There is only so long so many
Speaker 1: people can live under the same squeeze. You will have
Speaker 1: noticed it like I have, about the number of for
Speaker 1: sale signs that are popping up, the number of people
Speaker 1: who aren't able to keep up with their mortgages. Now,
Speaker 1: this does put into play quite a few seats in
Speaker 1: the mortgage belt, which the Labour part assumes are safe
Speaker 1: and will always vote their way. It's up to Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton and the Liberal Party to offer a solution or
Speaker 1: cost of living, not just to find what the problem is.
Speaker 1: But yet again we see that the reality for the
Speaker 1: people who rule us is that they get three pay
Speaker 1: rises in a couple of years, while you probably haven't
Speaker 1: got any and if you did, maybe best case scenario
Speaker 1: five percent. And because of inflation over the past few years,
Speaker 1: it's really real wages back at the twenty eleven in
Speaker 1: twenty and twelve levels as you just saw. The A
Speaker 1: and Z Bank suggests there will be no cut to
Speaker 1: interest rates this month or for the rest of this year,
Speaker 1: probably into next year, which is why the opinion polls
Speaker 1: are shocking to labour. People who think that the Australian
Speaker 1: public is so stupid, throw them a couple of crumbs
Speaker 1: while their loaf gets bigger. But Australian says, you know,
Speaker 1: have had enough and are now starting to push back. Now,
Speaker 1: apart from anything else, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: think was very important to highlight out of this number
Speaker 1: that shows Dutton as the preferred prime minister by one point,
Speaker 1: about the people who actually put the poll together. They say,
Speaker 1: of those that have given them comments while giving their
Speaker 1: answers about who they'd vote for if there was an election.
Speaker 1: Right now, some of the comments we collect are becoming
Speaker 1: quite angry. We are also beginning to see more specific
Speaker 1: focus on the cost of housing and rents, as well
Speaker 1: as growing unease with job security. Now, who are the
Speaker 1: people who could actually do something about that? The great
Speaker 1: passengers of the Australian economy, the ones who say, trusts us.
Speaker 1: Everything's okay. Sure, growth is okay for us at zero
Speaker 1: point one percent, but you have to live in a
Speaker 1: per capita recession. They take more tax from you than
Speaker 1: ever before as an overall slice of the economy, but
Speaker 1: they rejig parts of it so it becomes two little
Speaker 1: too late tax cuts so they can say they're doing
Speaker 1: something about it. The Poles will only get worse while
Speaker 1: they maintain this current smug attitude. And every single person
Speaker 1: you can see in your screen, including that bloke, gets
Speaker 1: their third pay rise in this term of parliament, their
Speaker 1: third outrageous. Now about those polls, As I was saying,
Speaker 1: they continue to shock the political classes, but they don't
Speaker 1: shock you and I. We've been on the front lines
Speaker 1: of this and speaking about it for as long as
Speaker 1: we have been seeing what's been coming. You know the
Speaker 1: headline right now thirty six thirty five in terms of
Speaker 1: who is the preferred prime minister nationally, big chunk of
Speaker 1: people having no idea which way they're going to go.
Speaker 1: But have a look at this. Labour's got a Queensland problem.
Speaker 1: It is a massive, mega, huge Queensland problem. Now they've
Speaker 1: got less than half a dozen seats in Queensland, but
Speaker 1: I reckon a couple of those, particularly places like Lily,
Speaker 1: might be under real threat and they might lose some
Speaker 1: to the Greens because their vote is apparently up. But
Speaker 1: look at what's happening there. Forty eight percent of people
Speaker 1: saying the preferred prime minister is Peter Dutton Albow. The
Speaker 1: only place you can get a high five is from
Speaker 1: the Labor government, which is currently about to get flushed
Speaker 1: down the toot and hopefully h in a few months time. Meantime,
Speaker 1: another opinion pole, same organization, this time over in the
Speaker 1: Financial Review. It shows pretty obviously in a whole raft
Speaker 1: of numbers, and let's look at the bottom right hand
Speaker 1: corner of these numbers. More than anything else, two Party
Speaker 1: preferred fifty to fifty, exactly the same number as the
Speaker 1: News poll has had out there. So we're now starting
Speaker 1: to see a trend. You're starting to see a trend.
Speaker 1: Now overall they're preferred Prime Minister Albow in front, but
Speaker 1: only by two points. Now remember I was somebody sitting
Speaker 1: here thinking, oh, preferred Prime Minister Scott Morrison was fine.
Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty two election, who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, Albow a year out was running third to
Speaker 1: don't Know. Well, Duarton is well and truly in front
Speaker 1: of don't Know and he's starting to breathe down the
Speaker 1: neck in how many poles in a row now around
Speaker 1: Anthony abernezi As for their overall vote, the Labor if
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party consider it forty nationally, then they're going
Speaker 1: to win an awful lot of seats. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Teal seats. The Teal
Speaker 1: seats are the statistical block between an opposition getting close
Speaker 1: and an opposition get close to government. But on all
Speaker 1: of these numbers, the Labor Party will go into minority,
Speaker 1: which means the tale will wag the dog for three
Speaker 1: years and we will be in a very tough place
Speaker 1: for the next little while. It doesn't matter how left
Speaker 1: wing all of those MPs are and how that all
Speaker 1: thing off a certain type of song sheheet. You know,
Speaker 1: the government's not in charge, that are in charge when
Speaker 1: you've got to go and double check with somebody else
Speaker 1: before you can even pass one piece of legislation in
Speaker 1: the Low House, let alone the Greens, Pocock and the
Speaker 1: rest in the Upper House. And also on the issues,
Speaker 1: you're going to have a look here at how things
Speaker 1: have changed since the last election, where the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: which was leading in many of these areas, is now
Speaker 1: only preferred by voters when it comes to welfare, family
Speaker 1: and community, health care, education and training, the environment and
Speaker 1: climate change, and strikes, unemployment, roads, housing, accommodation, standard of living,
Speaker 1: government spending, managing the economy, defense, national security, crime and order,
Speaker 1: immigration and asylum, all of those currently being led by
Speaker 1: the opposition. The pole shocks will continue no matter how
Speaker 1: arrogant the Prime Minister is, and no matter how deaf,
Speaker 1: dumb and blind the people around him are and saying
Speaker 1: good job boss. More of the same pleas which brings
Speaker 1: us to today, and the red carpet was rolled out
Speaker 1: for China to essentially continue to march over the top
Speaker 1: of us. Of course, this is a wonderful refreshing of
Speaker 1: the relationship because Australia doesn't call China out anymore, even
Speaker 1: when they endanger members of the Australian Defense Force. We
Speaker 1: don't say anything. We pretend that what's said at Beefweek
Speaker 1: is a way of responding. Yet, as we showed you
Speaker 1: and sent it estimates, nobody made a phone call to
Speaker 1: China about it, a little bit like that scared person
Speaker 1: who secretly hopes that they get voicemail or technically rings
Speaker 1: an old number and says, well, I tried to contact
Speaker 1: them now. Of course, all of this politically apparently works
Speaker 1: for Anthony Aberdeasi because the one point four million people
Speaker 1: of Chinese descent in Australia well and truly turned against
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party last time after voting for them in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, sixteen, thirteen, ten and in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: So most likely all of this garbage somewhat helps politically,
Speaker 1: but only in a certain pocket of Australia. But again,
Speaker 1: as you have heard, the media only one message tonight,
Speaker 1: which was everything is awesome. With the flick of a
Speaker 1: penanda firm handshake, Australia and China renewed and revitalized their relationship.
Speaker 3: Prime Minister declaring Australia's relationship with China is renewed and revitalized.
Speaker 1: Both leaders are celebrating the high level visit as a
Speaker 1: sign that Australia and China's ties have now recovered. This
Speaker 1: is an abusive relationship where as long as we don't
Speaker 1: push back, we're told everything will be okay, you will
Speaker 1: be financially all right. Yet they continue the intimidation of
Speaker 1: our defense force, they continue the infiltration of our education
Speaker 1: and our political system. But as long as you don't
Speaker 1: push back, then the handsome boy will get the cuddles
Speaker 1: that he wants. Thankfully, tonight there were some people that
Speaker 1: were braver than many, if not most people in the
Speaker 1: Australian Parliament, or many or most people in the Australian media,
Speaker 1: because they were the ones who went to Cambridge today
Speaker 1: and tried to speak on the behalf of a million
Speaker 1: people who live in concentration camps working as slave labor.
Speaker 1: That's the reality for the weigest population. Of course, you've
Speaker 1: seen the intimidation that happened with my colleague Chang Lai,
Speaker 1: who had been held in a Chinese prison for three years,
Speaker 1: trumped up bes chargers. But the Chinese diplomats in our
Speaker 1: country start to get in the way, pushing Paul and
Speaker 1: try to intimidate her world under the members of the
Speaker 1: Australian press who started to push back. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: you'll see the lady in white, the Australian embassy officials
Speaker 1: the Department of Foreign Affairs saying no, no, come on
Speaker 1: out of the way, out of the way. But of
Speaker 1: course when the Prime is was asked about it, just
Speaker 1: like when the boat of illegal arrivals were there in
Speaker 1: Western Australia, Oh he doesn't know. Apparently he's found didn't
Speaker 1: work today. Apparently one of the what eleven people who
Speaker 1: have to talk to the Prime Minister about his media.
Speaker 1: None of them were able to pass on to the
Speaker 1: big boy. Of course, he will have plenty to say.
Speaker 1: That will be only after the Chinese leadership has gone.
Speaker 1: Today was a pantomime, a pantomime of pretending that we
Speaker 1: have a partnership where we are well and truly the
Speaker 1: weaker partner, and to be the weaker partner in our
Speaker 1: own parliament I find disgraceful James Patterson, who remember had
Speaker 1: been banned from traveling to China for his ability to
Speaker 1: speak out against China, while he is using every bit
Speaker 1: of his opportunity as the Home Affairs Minister to tell
Speaker 1: the truth about this abusive relationship.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we always have to be robust in
Speaker 2: advocating our national interests. We should do that in a
Speaker 2: respectful and a measured way. We should be strategic about it.
Speaker 2: But we shouldn't be afraid to do it, because actually,
Speaker 2: what authoritarian regimes want from democracies, almost more than anything else,
Speaker 2: is our silence. They want our complicity. They want us
Speaker 2: to stop criticizing them and calling out that behavior. And
Speaker 2: it is important, because we had our liberal democracy that
Speaker 2: we are consistent with that, and we speak out. We're appropriate,
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be cowed into silence.
Speaker 1: And we are. But don't forget what does this government
Speaker 1: have in common with the Chinese government that want a
Speaker 1: sense of the Internet. Oh, it starts with misinformation, But
Speaker 1: of course who declares the information to be misinformation? The government,
Speaker 1: the same government that's got it so wrong so many times.
Speaker 1: But more importantly said that you fell for misinformation when
Speaker 1: it came to a yes no vote about what would
Speaker 1: happen with the constitution. These people are playing for keeps
Speaker 1: and they will find any and every way to make
Speaker 1: sure that any opposition to them is marginalized at the least,
Speaker 1: but snuffed out at the very worst. Make no mistake,
Speaker 1: that is the plan. That is the play. By watching
Speaker 1: this program each and every night, by supporting this channel
Speaker 1: in the way that you do you push back, Please
Speaker 1: do it every night. We've been on such a journey.
Speaker 1: We will continue that journey for a very long time
Speaker 1: to come. Annoy these people by sharing our content. Annoy
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Speaker 1: Push Push Push, Because it's definitely necessary. The government cannot
Speaker 1: decide what is true or not and then pretend that
Speaker 1: we are the free and open place. That is oh
Speaker 1: so different than the way they play the game in China. Now,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we all feel this way about
Speaker 1: watching the relationship with China, well, let's look what the
Speaker 1: pr machine is doing back in China. The Global Times,
Speaker 1: which is spent many a time referring to Australia as
Speaker 1: gum under their shoe. Remember that's their actual view of Australia.
Speaker 1: On no, no, Now they're quoting their own opinion polling. Geez,
Speaker 1: how open and free do you think their opinion polling
Speaker 1: is in China? I read from the Global Times, the
Speaker 1: propagandist outfit. The Global Times not a free media. It's
Speaker 1: not one for one here as China Australian relations stabilize
Speaker 1: mutual good will between the peoples of both countries. As
Speaker 1: on the Rios. The Chinese respondents to their survey have
Speaker 1: reported a significant increase in their favorable perception of Australia. Jesus,
Speaker 1: isn't that amazing. Compared to the last survey back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the average goodwill's score has risen by
Speaker 1: seven points and out of sixty nine point two percent,
Speaker 1: which is in alignment with the policy adjustment of the
Speaker 1: current Anthony Albanesi government. The yay for the day is
Speaker 1: coming from the propagandists in China to the Chinese people.
Speaker 1: The propaganda is then, of course laundered, refashioned and posted
Speaker 1: on social media here now for people that are half
Speaker 1: paying attention. Of course, I fully support the Chinese diaspora
Speaker 1: that is here. My communication, my criticism, my vehement opposition
Speaker 1: is about the c c P, the government of China,
Speaker 1: not its citizen or its diaspora around the world. My
Speaker 1: reference when it comes to elections was the statistical proven
Speaker 1: fact that there was a move in that population, and
Speaker 1: in part that was because of the information that they
Speaker 1: were getting from local media here. That really was a
Speaker 1: rewashing of the propaganda that is being served up in China. Well,
Speaker 1: in this country we are free until of course they
Speaker 1: turn around and tell us what's true and not true
Speaker 1: and not allowed on the internet. So how do you
Speaker 1: think this would go under that new system? Johannah Sleek
Speaker 1: in The Australian today, what a cracking cartoon, good bloke,
Speaker 1: funny man. Prime Minister basically Nicki nu on the leash.
Speaker 1: See it is possible to stabilize the relationship and maintain
Speaker 1: our self respect. Anthony PEKINESI, well done to those who
Speaker 1: remain fearless and are willing to push back again. CCP
Speaker 1: is the problem, not the citizens. Now in Melbourne, plenty
Speaker 1: of crime going on, But of course many of the
Speaker 1: lefties there would like to say that it's like AOC
Speaker 1: would say a form of reparations. Well, one of the
Speaker 1: great freedom lovers in the state of Victoria is and
Speaker 1: none other than the beautiful Rebecca Judd. Her husband the
Speaker 1: legendary football player now businessman, and she herself is a
Speaker 1: business woman. She's come out and said that Melbourne now
Speaker 1: is basically work broken, violent and I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: But on crime, let's get back to old mate. Daniel Andrews,
Speaker 1: the bloker gets the gold medal after overseeing a system
Speaker 1: of the world's longest lockdown and people dying alone during COVID. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quick giving the gold medal. Now, he had an announcement
Speaker 1: while he was Premier, which is they were going to
Speaker 1: raise the age of criminal responsibility. The crime wouldn't disappear,
Speaker 1: just the people you would hold responsible for the crime
Speaker 1: will no longer get held responsible. They've changed the age
Speaker 1: of responsibility, first up to from ten to twelve, and
Speaker 1: then by twenty twenty seven move up to fourteen, meaning
Speaker 1: all the crime keeps happening, but you won't be able
Speaker 1: to take a ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, or even potentially
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old into the system to be held
Speaker 1: accountable for that crime that makes you woke, broke and violent. Well,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the same government has the same policy,
Speaker 1: with the same plan but a different premiere, they are
Speaker 1: now wanting you to give them credit for potentially cracking
Speaker 1: down on youth crime. The same people who have moved
Speaker 1: the line of responsibility and will plan to move it again,
Speaker 1: are now pretending that they are going to go after
Speaker 1: youth crime. Youth crime that, by the way, according to
Speaker 1: that far right wing the age is now at a
Speaker 1: decade high, in part because of a pursuit of notoriety
Speaker 1: as people film their stuff and put it on the internet. Well,
Speaker 1: now the Victorian Labor government are set to crack down.
Speaker 1: This is the Attorney General. We want to respond to Earth.
Speaker 1: We want to pick up naughty kids. We want to
Speaker 1: make sure they're not turning into a serious offender that
Speaker 1: frankly the community is afraid of. Well, Attorney General, perhaps
Speaker 1: you should think about your own laws and your own handwriting,
Speaker 1: because your own laws and your own handwriting says that
Speaker 1: a ten year old and an eleven year old no
Speaker 1: longer responsible for what they do in your state. Under
Speaker 1: your laws. They're not responsible for crime, but they are
Speaker 1: smart enough to take the hormone blockers to change their gender.
Speaker 1: They're not old enough to drink, but they can go
Speaker 1: off to the clinic and it gets worse. They move
Speaker 1: it up to thirteen, they move it up to fourteen.
Speaker 1: They are not interested in cracking down on youth crime.
Speaker 1: They are interested in pretending that they can just make
Speaker 1: it disappear by not holding people accountable for it. Now,
Speaker 1: a few things I want to get through in the
Speaker 1: inbox before we get to a great debate, Matt Canavan,
Speaker 1: Sam Crosby, looking forward to that one tonight. You may
Speaker 1: remember four d and fifty million dollars of your taxpayers
Speaker 1: money was spent not just on two brand new jets
Speaker 1: for the Prime minister. Oh, that's right. They were ordered
Speaker 1: under the previous government, but not canceled under his. Yeah,
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty million dollars which is going to
Speaker 1: be spent on those two new planes. Well, that's also
Speaker 1: the same amount of money that he spent on a
Speaker 1: national yes, no question the referendum. When it comes to
Speaker 1: the Voice, you may well recall it started out a
Speaker 1: sixty forty everyone in one place, all the corporates, all
Speaker 1: the politicians, and then the No campaign fired up just
Speaker 1: into Nampa, jimper Price and the wonderful one on one Dean.
Speaker 1: They gave Australian's courage to be able to push back
Speaker 1: to say the front end of the plane no more,
Speaker 1: make it focused on normal people, and of course it
Speaker 1: became a sixty to forty hell no vote. Now, as
Speaker 1: you know, this was meant to be the start of
Speaker 1: a three prong process which was, among other things, going
Speaker 1: to include a truth and Reconciliation Commission and start to
Speaker 1: move towards a treaty process, remember Voice, Treaty Truth. Well,
Speaker 1: as you know, the Australian people, as I say, quite
Speaker 1: clear in what their determination was of the first part
Speaker 1: of it. But the Prime Minister is determined to ignore
Speaker 1: the mood of the nation and move on with the
Speaker 1: Macarata process. Anyway, let's get to truth. Let's get to
Speaker 1: treaty now. Of course, all of this was just hidden
Speaker 1: in the back pages of The Guardian today, in between
Speaker 1: all the times they beg you for money every time
Speaker 1: you go to their website because you know, as it
Speaker 1: should be. But apparently your vote don't matter. Does that
Speaker 1: surprise you that the bloke who's got three pay rises
Speaker 1: since he became Prime Minister could not really care about
Speaker 1: your vote? The people who truly believe in a democracy,
Speaker 1: but let's get ready to censor the Internet. The people
Speaker 1: who will stand up for Australian values but just won't
Speaker 1: mention too. The leaders of the country that actually damage
Speaker 1: our troops, be they in the air or in the water,
Speaker 1: but sh there's lobsters to be sold. Doesn't really care
Speaker 1: about such a demonstrable rejection of his agenda. They rejected
Speaker 1: it in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia, Queensland, New South Wales,
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, Western Australia and even woke Old Victoria.
Speaker 1: But of course, because they all live in the bubble
Speaker 1: of the Act where everyone voted yes and lovely left,
Speaker 1: he is like Laura Tingle, think that well, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a huge run on racism in the country
Speaker 1: because that evil Peter Dutton is cutting immigration, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what Anthony Abernezi is claiming to do as well.
Speaker 1: But you follow the dots. They all just live in
Speaker 1: there ownder the world, and they all police it, and
Speaker 1: they all give each other awards, and they all tuck
Speaker 1: each other in metaphorically to bed each and every night.
Speaker 1: Madness speaking of good news as well, not that any
Speaker 1: of that was John Farnham. I love him. I've seen
Speaker 1: him everything from performing in a tent in Townsville or
Speaker 1: a stadium in Sydney. I've seen him big gigs, small gigs,
Speaker 1: all the rest of it. I love, love, love this
Speaker 1: guy National treasure. As you know, he's gone through his
Speaker 1: cancer battle. The first photos of his post cancer appearance
Speaker 1: have now popped up after his son's wedding. This is
Speaker 1: brave on everyone's front. Obviously, John Farnham doesn't look like
Speaker 1: the John Farnham that we have known on the stage.
Speaker 1: But John Farnham looks like the John Farnham that we
Speaker 1: love and that we will love every single day of
Speaker 1: his life. Congratulations to his son, Congratulations to his family,
Speaker 1: and strength and love to you. John Australia loves you
Speaker 1: beyond words. We love you all right, quick break back
Speaker 1: with more. Let's get into the debate right now. We're
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Matt Canavan is here, Sam Crosby
Speaker 1: is here. There's plenty of things to fire up about
Speaker 1: the Sevening. You can always send me an email portsguynews
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Speaker 1: John Farnham. We love John Farnham. Honestly, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching. Not this next Sunday is our next
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Speaker 1: be awesome, all right. Speaking of awesome, none of the wonderful.
Speaker 1: Sam Crosby joining us here labor to his bootstraps but
Speaker 1: we'll forgive him. And he sits here in the man
Speaker 1: Kvachen every week having a chat to a man who's
Speaker 1: well and truly national to his bootstraps technically LNP, but
Speaker 1: we know it's national. None of than the great Senator
Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, of course, joining us now from Rocky and Yourpoon.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the treatment that was rolled out today,
Speaker 1: the giant pantomime that was played before us, which was
Speaker 1: everything is okay, everything is reconnected, everything is great with China.
Speaker 1: Yet I've listed up here and Downdale. While I am
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this giant performance, Matt, I know that everyone
Speaker 1: who earns a dollar out of China and everyone that's
Speaker 1: got some sort of connection to it as to why
Speaker 1: it's the big future for their business says all amazing days,
Speaker 1: amazing days. I just think about the helicopter that they
Speaker 1: almost blew out of the sky, and I think about
Speaker 1: the fact that they still have the blooprints to the
Speaker 1: ASO headquarters, let alone the email details of the Australian
Speaker 1: Federal Parliament. But please welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me, Paul, and I just want
Speaker 3: to quickly shout out to McGregor. They're great that you're
Speaker 3: going there. I played cricket for the McGregor Cricket Club
Speaker 3: in my youth. They've got wonderful Tartan baggy cats, not
Speaker 3: the baggy green baggy Tartan hats. It's a great career club.
Speaker 3: So you'll have a fun time there.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I mean we still can't trust China, right,
Speaker 3: We all know that we cannot trust them. There's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a facade going on here today. Apparently
Speaker 3: government officials themselves were instructed to take burner phones to
Speaker 3: the meetings they were having with Chinese officials. I mean
Speaker 3: that just screams friendship and stabilization, I think is the
Speaker 3: word right now.
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: But I do want to take a bit more a
Speaker 3: historic look back at this and say thank you to
Speaker 3: Scott Morrison. Not many people do, but he did stand
Speaker 3: up to China's bullying a few years ago. Certainly, the
Speaker 3: anthony of an easy government refuses to recognize the strength
Speaker 3: that Scott showed a few years ago. When China tried
Speaker 3: to bully us. They tried to say they wanted us
Speaker 3: to change our policies. They gave us a list of
Speaker 3: fourteen policy here is. They wanted us to change, or
Speaker 3: else they wouldn't buy things like coal and bali and
Speaker 3: lobster and wine from us. And we stood our ground,
Speaker 3: and as it turned out, it hurt China a lot
Speaker 3: more than it hurt us. Within months running out of coal,
Speaker 3: and their power prices went through the roof, And so
Speaker 3: we should. The fact that we're here today is also
Speaker 3: testament to the strong decisions we make made a few
Speaker 3: years ago. I do worry whether Anthony Elbanezi, if put
Speaker 3: in the same situation, would show the same backbone. I
Speaker 3: mean today he couldn't even say a word about the
Speaker 3: atrocious behavior of Chinese officials towards cheng Lai. He said
Speaker 3: he couldn't see it, didn't see it, and so therefore
Speaker 3: cold comment. I mean, I hope tomorrow maybe he could
Speaker 3: review the footage and defend the Australian media and Australia's
Speaker 3: freedom of the press.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, this is exactly what he had
Speaker 1: to say. It's a carbon copy of the prominius. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you about the boat arrival that's just happened
Speaker 1: off Westerners? Oh sorry, my phone doesn't work in the place.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be held responsible for what's happening right before
Speaker 1: my own eyes. Well, I didn't see that. I saw
Speaker 1: Chang Layam we smiled at each other. Well, then you
Speaker 1: would have also seen that there were people that you
Speaker 1: kin't have it both ways here, Sam, you saw her
Speaker 1: and exchanged a glance of love, or you were able
Speaker 1: to see her and start to see her being blocked
Speaker 1: out by people.
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, look, I think to your point and
Speaker 4: to Matt's point, there are serious concerns with the relationship,
Speaker 4: but also there's a time and a place to raise
Speaker 4: those things, and the time of the place, as Peter
Speaker 4: Dutton would acknowledge in his speech, that was perfectly above
Speaker 4: board and perfect amicable. You don't do it in the
Speaker 4: full glare of the public camera, public audience. You wait
Speaker 4: until you're you know, behind the scenes. You can have
Speaker 4: this unless you just.
Speaker 1: Integrate it, and you can do it on the grounds
Speaker 1: of Kirabilly House.
Speaker 4: Sure, but you know with the thing today, I don't
Speaker 4: know what he saw and what he didn't, So I
Speaker 4: know what what.
Speaker 1: Well he saw was a smile.
Speaker 4: Sure, I don't know at what stage he saw Chang
Speaker 4: lay to do that, but yes, obviously what happened to
Speaker 4: Chung Lay was outrage.
Speaker 1: So is he going to say anything or are we
Speaker 1: going to get tomorrow in Perth, you know, the cuddles
Speaker 1: with Andrew Forrest and all the rest of it, and
Speaker 1: quickly change your subjects and back to panda diplomacy on Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Honestly, you know, as sad as it sounds, I would
Speaker 4: imagine that's what you're going to get. You don't want
Speaker 4: to you don't want to derail something like this that
Speaker 4: has been for all intense purposes with this one very obvious,
Speaker 4: glaring emission, a good trip that has gone some of
Speaker 4: the way to stabilizing the relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's let's talk about it one way. Yeah, well, look,
Speaker 1: you know, we can rattled, we can rat old.
Speaker 4: It seems to fit that Matt isn't. Why isn't Peter
Speaker 4: Dutton saying something about this when he gave the speech
Speaker 4: he gave the speech, Well.
Speaker 1: He wasn't at that press conference.
Speaker 3: He was about press conference and the minister he's the
Speaker 3: prime minister.
Speaker 1: Of the country. No, no, no, sure, but I haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any comments that Peter has been asked about.
Speaker 3: Anthony Ebaneze was directly asked about this and you just
Speaker 3: heard what he said, and it's weak and it's it's
Speaker 3: sort of becoming typical of this Prime minister, where he
Speaker 3: was weak last week about John Setka, he's week this
Speaker 3: week about this particulars and I agree with you he
Speaker 3: has to find a diplomatic form of words here while
Speaker 3: the Chinese premiere is in town. But surely there's a
Speaker 3: way that a Prime minister could weave those that particular
Speaker 3: diplomatic needle or thread through that needle and find a
Speaker 3: way to defend Australis media while not fully humiliating and
Speaker 3: embarrassing the Chinese delegation. But their behavior was out of
Speaker 3: line and of course Australian press and media are welcome
Speaker 3: at press conferences and should not be subject to that
Speaker 3: type of treatment by officials.
Speaker 1: Now one of the issues that came out of the
Speaker 1: budget and reply, yes remember the budget not seven years ago,
Speaker 1: by the way, just a few weeks ago when Peter Dunton,
Speaker 1: of course, so set the lefties world a light. Not
Speaker 1: with the twenty thirty stuff that was last week where
Speaker 1: his numbers went up and became the Prime minister. Now
Speaker 1: it was before that when the nasty, nicky Savas and
Speaker 1: the rest of it was telling it all immigration or
Speaker 1: you couldn't pull that's racist stuff, you know, Laura Tingle,
Speaker 1: racist racist racist. Well, one of the bits got completely
Speaker 1: missed from most people in their outrage was what I
Speaker 1: think is going to be quite a political winner for
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, which is, as he said, he will ban for
Speaker 1: a couple of years foreign buyers being able to buy
Speaker 1: Australian property. Now, this has happened in other parts of
Speaker 1: the world, including under Queen Ardern in New Zealand, although
Speaker 1: that seemed to be left out of Lefty Laura Tingle's
Speaker 1: monthly essay about how amazing New Zealand was and the
Speaker 1: lessons they could have for Australia. But whatever. Anyway, we
Speaker 1: learned today that Australia is now a top target of
Speaker 1: foreign buyers. A foreign buyers obviously, by the nature of
Speaker 1: their name, they come from everywhere. But I think that
Speaker 1: one of the problems with housing is the number of
Speaker 1: people who, of course are at any one auction. If
Speaker 1: you can remove the number of people at that auction,
Speaker 1: well then obviously your chances are winning the auction. Will
Speaker 1: they start to go up? Matt, I think this was
Speaker 1: a really big policy that I think we heard about
Speaker 1: on the day and then really hasn't been doubled down
Speaker 1: on sins. But I think there's a real winner in
Speaker 1: all of this, and I think that it's something that
Speaker 1: Australians would react very well to. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Australia means Australians of all types. It's not just some
Speaker 1: secret sort of smoke signal about white people. It's just
Speaker 1: saying if you live somewhere else, you don't get to
Speaker 1: blow away somebody in this country who wants to buy
Speaker 1: a unit.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just basically common sense when we have so
Speaker 3: many Australians living out of tents. I mean all of
Speaker 3: our major cities now have these tent cities, which are
Speaker 3: just not unbecoming of a country like ours, as rich
Speaker 3: as prosperous as nation. They should not be happening in Australia.
Speaker 3: And obviously we need to do more than just this
Speaker 3: particular policy. Peter Dutton's also announced to much criticism from
Speaker 3: the government of changes to the migration numbers. But we
Speaker 3: need to start with the basic principle that Australians must
Speaker 3: be housed first before we take in hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of more migrants and before we offer for sale the
Speaker 3: established dwellings in this country. So that it's a very
Speaker 3: fair policy. It needs to be properly enforced. Of course,
Speaker 3: there's a problem here sometimes in getting the people getting
Speaker 3: around the rules. But there just needs to be this
Speaker 3: mindset that we've got to look after Australians first. They're
Speaker 3: not being looked after right now and it needs to
Speaker 3: be a concerted attempt here to house all Australians before
Speaker 3: we focus on the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: Sam, what do you think of the idea? I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, it just seems common sense. It doesn't disadvantage
Speaker 1: any Australian citizen. It disadvantages the people trying to abuse us.
Speaker 4: I think there has to be a principle of reciprocation
Speaker 4: at the heart of it. If you're from a country
Speaker 4: that allows an Australian to come to your country and
Speaker 4: buy you anything from a house America, Korea, whatever, and
Speaker 4: you can buy a house there, you can buy an
Speaker 4: electricity grid network, you can buy a road, you can
Speaker 4: buy whatever. You can buy a piece of infrastructure, fine,
Speaker 4: then you should have those same rights in Australia. That obviously,
Speaker 4: I mean China being the obvious case point would not
Speaker 4: allow an Australian to go to China. And I think
Speaker 4: that reciprocation is a critical point. I do have a
Speaker 4: problem saying just hard and fast, Nope, no one can
Speaker 4: can buy any properties in Australia because there are obviously
Speaker 4: a bunch of Australians living overseas who will be buying
Speaker 4: properties and whatnot ivesting overseas.
Speaker 1: I heard the same speech you did. I'm not aware
Speaker 1: of the deep fine print or reckon. If you can
Speaker 1: produce an Australian passport, you're going to be okay in
Speaker 1: all of this. Let's talk about electoral impacts in and
Speaker 1: around where they're going to build the renewable energy world
Speaker 1: right Hunter Valley hardcore labor seats. They're going to put
Speaker 1: wind farms, butther be slightly further out, goes from ten
Speaker 1: ks to twenty four k's South coast hardcore labor. And
Speaker 1: you said Wales again, not ten kilometers twenty four kilometers.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be some surprises at
Speaker 1: the election, either about margins or maybe even results when
Speaker 1: local communities and the only person out there right now
Speaker 1: is the Nationals saying we get in power, this goes away.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I genuinely think, you know, if we're talking
Speaker 4: about what's going on in the South Coast in Woollongong
Speaker 4: at the moment with the offshore wind, I genuinely think
Speaker 4: this is a much ado about nothing. And I guess
Speaker 4: we'll see, right, I guess we'll see. I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of very active environmentalists from the hard left
Speaker 4: in the Greens who are very upset about migratory bird
Speaker 4: patterns and whales and blah blah blah. I think there's
Speaker 4: a bunch of people in the right who just say
Speaker 4: absolutely no to renewables now, not ever, and they're meeting
Speaker 4: and they're having a little moment in the sun. I
Speaker 4: think the vast majority of people look at these things
Speaker 4: being no bigger than a matchstick on the horizon twenty
Speaker 4: kilometers out to sea, and they'll think, oh, yeah, fine,
Speaker 4: if that's going to bring my power down, well fine.
Speaker 1: Now, Matt. Obviously you can disagree, and you've got plenty
Speaker 1: of examples of what's happening in Queensland again, is this
Speaker 1: one of those things that is bubbling below the surface
Speaker 1: of everyone who gets paid to talk about politics for
Speaker 1: a living and we're going to see some surprises here,
Speaker 1: not suggesting they're about to go liberal on the South coast.
Speaker 3: Look, it's it's definitely the most volatile issue in regional Australia.
Speaker 3: It generates the most heat from people. I mean, Sam's
Speaker 3: wright to know. It's always hard to know exactly what
Speaker 3: issue will change a vote, but I think Sam's just
Speaker 3: missed one particular constituency there. And you're probably seeing bumper
Speaker 3: stickers like this over the years, but by fish and
Speaker 3: I vote. And one of the facts of these areas
Speaker 3: that I think everyone should understand is these big parts
Speaker 3: of the ocean that they shade off in the newspaper.
Speaker 3: You can't take a fishing boat in there like once
Speaker 3: they put up It's not like you can navigate around
Speaker 3: the wind turbines. The whole area is excised from commercial
Speaker 3: and recreational fishing. And these coastal communities a lot of
Speaker 3: people fish, and not just the commercial fishing industry, but
Speaker 3: then there's a lot of people but like to go
Speaker 3: and take their son or daughter out fishing at the weekend.
Speaker 3: They've got a boat they've invested in that they put
Speaker 3: their savings into it, and suddenly the government comes along
Speaker 3: and takes away some of the best of their fishing
Speaker 3: lands to excise for an overseas off and an overseas
Speaker 3: investor to make a lot of money through government subsidies.
Speaker 3: That is going to generate a lot of heat, and
Speaker 3: so it will be very interesting. Now, a lot of
Speaker 3: these seats are very strong labor seats, like those around Wollongong,
Speaker 3: So maybe that's not enough to see as change, but
Speaker 3: I definitely think there'll be a swing based on this issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly means, frankly, like the Teals, if you
Speaker 1: end up defending what you didn't think you have to
Speaker 1: defend as well as attack in an environment of what
Speaker 1: seventy eight seats right now, and you obviously seventy six
Speaker 1: is that magic number. Every dollar you spend somewhere defending
Speaker 1: is something you're not spending attacking. It'll be fascinating to see.
Speaker 1: Can I put a little pin a little prediction here,
Speaker 1: the shooters, farmers and fishers, they'll end up coming out.
Speaker 1: And remember at the federal election, a federal by election
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and Eden Manero, the former
Speaker 1: Bellweather seat, their preferences went to Labor. So wait, watch
Speaker 1: and see whether those preferences move. If they do, it
Speaker 1: could have a result because their preferences decided that seat.
Speaker 1: Quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: That's an I think Christy McBain is a future star
Speaker 1: of the Labor Party. Oh fairness, what quick break more
Speaker 1: to talk about here in a moment here on Paul
Speaker 1: Murray Lot. Thank you very much. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: speed round now with Sam Crosby and with Senator Matt Canavan.
Speaker 1: So long discussed is the demise of traditional media television, newspapers, radio,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Well new piece of evidence suggesting
Speaker 1: social media on the rise and social media will become
Speaker 1: the number one source of media and how people get
Speaker 1: their news for obvious reasons, I don't live in that universe,
Speaker 1: but I know certainly sort of people of a certain
Speaker 1: age do live in that universe. But Sam, for those
Speaker 1: of us trying to keep an eye on politics, how
Speaker 1: the hell do we track what is actually hitting or
Speaker 1: not hitting on social media? I mean, for people that
Speaker 1: were in the Yes campaign, they got smacked, smacked on
Speaker 1: social media by what was happening in and around the
Speaker 1: No campaign because they thought that all of the air
Speaker 1: cover from sort of the establishment was going to get right.
Speaker 1: Is this a legitimate worry for political parties that they go, look,
Speaker 1: we say, we know how much have you spent versus
Speaker 1: how much have we spent? But who's actually tracking whether
Speaker 1: the ad you put out is better than the one
Speaker 1: Matt puts out, and whether people watch more of your
Speaker 1: videos than Matt's video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and how much is your base watching? It's a
Speaker 4: really good question. Also added to this, the private networks
Speaker 4: have become much more WhatsApp groups, So the things that
Speaker 4: you'll share with your friends and family, you'll send that
Speaker 4: on a series of chats on WhatsApp or signal or
Speaker 4: things like that, Whereas the public facing has been cannibalized
Speaker 4: and monopolized by funny videos and professional content creators and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So it makes it really hard to try to figure out,
Speaker 4: you know, where anyone's actually getting their news. This also
Speaker 4: coincides at a time when trust in the media is
Speaker 4: at its lowest since COVID first started. So people are
Speaker 4: opting out for all sorts of reasons and you can't
Speaker 4: track where they're going. It doesn't bode well for the
Speaker 4: future of public discord, of civics, of engagement and democracy.
Speaker 1: Well, and also, Matt, as I've talked about before, the
Speaker 1: other blind spot, right is about local media in different
Speaker 1: languages that might get filtered back through sort of home
Speaker 1: countries all the rest of it. But as a bloke
Speaker 1: who has been quite successful on social media, Okay, obviously
Speaker 1: you put out a post and you'll be able to
Speaker 1: look twenty four hours and go x thousand people have
Speaker 1: had a lot look at it. But I mean, again,
Speaker 1: don't tell us the secrets, but the extra layers of
Speaker 1: information available to political candidates to actually tell you what
Speaker 1: type of person is watching something.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, you can get that information through different social
Speaker 3: media platforms. I mean I would say you've got a
Speaker 3: lot more data on how effective your communication is now
Speaker 3: than you ever did before. I mean, which traditional media
Speaker 3: you sort of knew how many people view it, but
Speaker 3: you don't know how many people share it and other things.
Speaker 3: SAMs exactly right about the private sharing, which obviously we'll
Speaker 3: have no idea about.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 3: But I mean it comes back to the old saying
Speaker 3: I waste half my budget on marketing. I just don't
Speaker 3: know which half, and there's always been us, and there's
Speaker 3: probably still going to be that in the future, but
Speaker 3: there's a lot more different types of media. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's Look, I'm not as pessimistic about this sort
Speaker 3: of stuff as most. Look, there's lots of different ways
Speaker 3: to communicate. Now, I think it's great, it's pretty well.
Speaker 3: It's a wild West out there, but it's just got
Speaker 3: to embrace it.
Speaker 1: Well, he was right the voice. He was right on
Speaker 1: how the twenty and thirty mid targets are going to work.
Speaker 1: So I think I might back in Matt Canavan on
Speaker 1: number three here. All right, now I've got literally twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: What about the story in the Guardian today that says,
Speaker 1: apparently sheep grazing underneath solar panels is amazing? Matt, did
Speaker 1: you know that this was a special thing that every
Speaker 1: farmer needed?
Speaker 3: Well, where's the balance here from the Guardian? They're always
Speaker 3: playing defense for these massive investors. Yeah, so look, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think I prefer to hear from the broader farming community,
Speaker 3: which is saying to me they're very worried about this
Speaker 3: stuff and how it affects agricultural land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a surprise. They always come up with a
Speaker 1: way to justify their own position. Thank you guys, do
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and then turn around and have a go
Speaker 1: at those they disagree for doing exactly the same. All right,
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