WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray. Life

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<v Speaker 1>had a gang? Have you Monday? So much to get

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<v Speaker 1>to so much politics, big politics day? Of course. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in a second I'll get to Albo licking the boots

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<v Speaker 1>of the real leaders, those being is mates in China. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I will get into how the political class's life got

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<v Speaker 1>even more comfortable today. Probably didn't any about this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make some comment on this this evening,

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<v Speaker 1>and then for some reason, I'll tell you what freedom

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<v Speaker 1>water means.

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom to old water isn't just about what's inside the bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the message it sends with every set. Hmm. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But first I want to start on some good news,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to start on some health news. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, I don't start with the medical breakthrough all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it, because normally it's some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>company that's just trying to go for a free mention

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<v Speaker 1>on the television. But I'll be honest. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that scares me, one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>know would scare an awful a lot of people watching,

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<v Speaker 1>is about one day when our body might work but

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<v Speaker 1>our brain won't be perfect, that we'll start to lose

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<v Speaker 1>touch of things. And in Australia, things like Alzheimer's and

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<v Speaker 1>dementia are very big, very big, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people live with it and we all know what the

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<v Speaker 1>consequences are. I start the show tonight though with some

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<v Speaker 1>good news, but let me try to explain the size

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<v Speaker 1>of issues. Now. I know that there is a specificity

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<v Speaker 1>of difference between dementia and Alzheimer's, But in the question

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<v Speaker 1>of dementia, about four hundred and eighty thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia currently have been diagnosed with some form of dementia.

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<v Speaker 1>About eighty nine thousand people each and every year get

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with it and sadly about five thousand people and

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<v Speaker 1>the latest numbers we had with twenty twenty one died

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<v Speaker 1>with the condition. So today it is with great hope

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<v Speaker 1>that we read headlines that a new drug may will

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<v Speaker 1>be on its way towards Australia which might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to help us in the fight. To those that have it,

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<v Speaker 1>to those that are worried about it, to those that

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<v Speaker 1>are scared about it, this is big news now. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>two Alzheimer's drugs aimed at slowing cognitive delay are heralded

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<v Speaker 1>as a step towards prevention and are expected to give

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<v Speaker 1>be given the green light by Australian for Australian patients soon.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the first drugs to get approved internationally for

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<v Speaker 1>treatment for the life limiting illness in more than twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Local experts are warning medications are going to be expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to need monitoring, and may be only available

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain section of people that are living with Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, if it helps anyone, this is what many

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<v Speaker 1>people have been frankly praying for, hoping for for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Now, let me explain some of the research

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<v Speaker 1>behind all of this. Again, I'm not going to play

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor on television for you. I'm just repeating what

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<v Speaker 1>I've read in the media today. Because there have been

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<v Speaker 1>clinical trials which have been taking place, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>been taking place principally in the United States, but the

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<v Speaker 1>approval process is starting to speed up here in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>where this is going to be an inevitability. Now, an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen month trial involving seventeen hundred and ninety five people

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<v Speaker 1>between the ages of fifty and ninety the first of

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<v Speaker 1>the drugs showed a twenty seven percent reduction in cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>decline compared to those who were not given the drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Patients gained six months of cognitive stabilization. Think about how

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<v Speaker 1>important this is for yourself or the family member that

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<v Speaker 1>you're most concerned about. With all of this, now, one

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<v Speaker 1>of these drugs in particular has already been evaluated by

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<v Speaker 1>the organization that decides whether these drugs can be used

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia. That's the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration. It's expected

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<v Speaker 1>to be available here later in the year. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the kick. It'll cost thirty eight thousand dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>per person, unless, of course, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee

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<v Speaker 1>put it on the list where taxpayers reduced that number

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<v Speaker 1>down and frankly, your fellow taxpayer ends up paying the

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<v Speaker 1>best part of the thirty eight thousand dollars for the

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<v Speaker 1>doses per year. Now, it's going to go before that

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<v Speaker 1>committee next month and we'll know the month after in

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<v Speaker 1>August whether it has got the sign off. But let

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<v Speaker 1>me be very clear, and the reason I take a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes to talk about it at the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. The Australian government has the money, does

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<v Speaker 1>it have the will to turn thirty eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year for this medication into something that will become

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<v Speaker 1>close to freely available for anyone who would need it

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<v Speaker 1>here in Australia. Well, you bet you they do. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This government is more than willing to put an awful

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff off the budget books, but it deals

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<v Speaker 1>that they want to do for hundreds of billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars when it comes to things like submarines, or when

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<v Speaker 1>it wants to spend again tens of billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to renewable energy. Well, the money coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the federal government has never been higher, as you

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<v Speaker 1>can see here a few years ago, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven, then four hundred and eighty one billion, up

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<v Speaker 1>to five hundred and fifty billion, and the last full

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<v Speaker 1>financial year, the current one ends in a few days time,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and eighteen billion dollars. They have the money,

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<v Speaker 1>They have the money, do they have the will, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll tell you, we'll follow this process all the way

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<v Speaker 1>through because again it frightens Australians about what may well

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<v Speaker 1>happen if there is a drug that can help you

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<v Speaker 1>hold on for at least another six months or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even getting the world of prevention. That is huge news,

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<v Speaker 1>way bigger than anything in politics today. But let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to the politics because that's the main meat, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's why you watch this each and every night. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect example about albonomics, where the people in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the country will they get richer while you get poorer,

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<v Speaker 1>yet you still have to pay more tax, Where things

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<v Speaker 1>like in interest rates and inflation will they hollow you

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<v Speaker 1>out but they're fine. We know this because there is

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<v Speaker 1>currently a per capita recession, meaning for the average Australian

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<v Speaker 1>things are going backwards. They have been going backwards for

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<v Speaker 1>well more than a year now and even the abc

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<v Speaker 1>CS things are starting to feel like they did in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen nineties. Now the numbers aren't exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a million people unemployed, but the circumstances and

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure are as bad as things were way back

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<v Speaker 1>when the Australian economy is only sputtering along you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even say there was growth. There is technically growth, where

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<v Speaker 1>in the past three months the Australian economy only grew

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<v Speaker 1>by zero point one percent, So we are right on

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<v Speaker 1>the edge. As soon as it starts to go into

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<v Speaker 1>negative for three months and then another three months. Two quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a recession. There has been a per

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<v Speaker 1>capita recession for the best part of more than a year.

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<v Speaker 1>So the people in charge of all of this, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister and his merry band of men and

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<v Speaker 1>women as ministers, and what is about to happen for them,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that you are living some of the

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<v Speaker 1>toughest financial conditions of our lives. People under the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty have never lived anything like it. Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>you can see there by the headline, guess what they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting Another pay rise Now, this is the third pay

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<v Speaker 1>rise since Albanesi became Prime minister, and it feathers the

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<v Speaker 1>nest yet again of the people who do not need

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<v Speaker 1>the feathering. Today was made by the of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>completely independent tribunal, the same tribunal that one of their

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<v Speaker 1>ministers was lobbying to give a twenty percent pay rise

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<v Speaker 1>to a high ranking public official. And now we're in

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where the Prime Minister is going to earn

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<v Speaker 1>over six hundred thousand dollars. Now, because it's other people's money,

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<v Speaker 1>they will just throw it up against the war. But

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<v Speaker 1>think about this. Backbenchers have now got their third pay

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<v Speaker 1>rise since Labour came to power, and now earned two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty three thousand, a minister four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight thousand dollars, which is more than the Opposition

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<v Speaker 1>leader at four hundred and thirty two one thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Prime Minister now six hundred and seven thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave these up, because I want everyone to times three

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<v Speaker 1>on all of these, and that's how much money a

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<v Speaker 1>politician will earn should they be elected to parliament, server

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<v Speaker 1>as a minister, be the Opposition leader, or of course

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<v Speaker 1>be the Prime minister. I repeat the third pay rise

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<v Speaker 1>since Labor was elected in May of twenty and twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>The numbers are extraordinary. Now. Of course, if they want

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<v Speaker 1>to do the politicians could turn around and refuse the

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<v Speaker 1>pay rise. They could do what happened in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>which was to have a wage freeze. They could move

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<v Speaker 1>a motion in the Parliament to do so, to say

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<v Speaker 1>thanks very much for the advice, but we will not

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<v Speaker 1>take the pay rise. They could do this if they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. Oh no, but of course it's a completely

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<v Speaker 1>independent body and therefore they couldn't possibly overrule it. I repeat,

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<v Speaker 1>same body twenty twenty one, the Parliament said, no, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need the pay rise. Will the Prime Minister get

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<v Speaker 1>a question about this tomorrow? Let's all wait and see.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't talk about it because it's the international

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<v Speaker 1>affairs of licking the boots of China, well then could

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<v Speaker 1>somebody ask the day after that, does he deserve his

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<v Speaker 1>third pay rise since he became the prime minister? Does

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<v Speaker 1>every backbencher deserve their third pay rise since labor became

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<v Speaker 1>the government? Does every useless senator deserve a pay rise? No,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they don't. While yes, cost of living affects everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>including people on big wages with big morel good jees,

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<v Speaker 1>what a message to say. The same government that turns

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<v Speaker 1>around and says we've done our best because we've given

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<v Speaker 1>you thirty something bucks back a week in tax cards

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<v Speaker 1>are going to get a pay rise that will be

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<v Speaker 1>way more than thirty bucks a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's up to the Prime Minister to come

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<v Speaker 1>out tonight and say thanks very much for the advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't need it. But of course there'll be tumbleweeds.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing will happen. Why because of course this Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>well he knows if everyone else is paid well around him,

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll never move on him, no matter what the

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<v Speaker 1>polls say. Now, of course, while all of this is

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<v Speaker 1>happening at the front end of the plane, let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about today. News from today that a fifth

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<v Speaker 1>of all small businesses in Australia are out of cash.

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<v Speaker 1>They are right on the edge of exploding and disappearing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on top of nine million Australians who have

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<v Speaker 1>less than one thousand dollars in the bank, most of

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<v Speaker 1>them less than two hundred and fifty dollars in the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>And we learned today that high inflation will be around

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<v Speaker 1>not full months, but four years. All of that, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>feeds into the Reserve Bank, who meet yet again this

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<v Speaker 1>week to decide whether to put up interest rates, to

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<v Speaker 1>put down interest rates, but most likely to keep them

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<v Speaker 1>at a generational high level. Now this means the tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of dollars that people paying off their houses

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<v Speaker 1>have had to find to pay off their homes since

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<v Speaker 1>this government came to power, and twelve interest rate rises

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<v Speaker 1>have happened on their watch. That they will celebrate because

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<v Speaker 1>nothing gets worse if they keep the rates where they are.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is, as I've spoken about before, the

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<v Speaker 1>python is squeezing. There is only so long so many

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<v Speaker 1>people can live under the same squeeze. You will have

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<v Speaker 1>noticed it like I have, about the number of for

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<v Speaker 1>sale signs that are popping up, the number of people

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<v Speaker 1>who aren't able to keep up with their mortgages. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this does put into play quite a few seats in

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<v Speaker 1>the mortgage belt, which the Labour part assumes are safe

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<v Speaker 1>and will always vote their way. It's up to Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Dutton and the Liberal Party to offer a solution or

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<v Speaker 1>cost of living, not just to find what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 1>But yet again we see that the reality for the

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<v Speaker 1>people who rule us is that they get three pay

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<v Speaker 1>rises in a couple of years, while you probably haven't

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<v Speaker 1>got any and if you did, maybe best case scenario

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<v Speaker 1>five percent. And because of inflation over the past few years,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really real wages back at the twenty eleven in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and twelve levels as you just saw. The A

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<v Speaker 1>and Z Bank suggests there will be no cut to

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates this month or for the rest of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>probably into next year, which is why the opinion polls

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<v Speaker 1>are shocking to labour. People who think that the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>public is so stupid, throw them a couple of crumbs

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<v Speaker 1>while their loaf gets bigger. But Australian says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have had enough and are now starting to push back. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>apart from anything else, one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>think was very important to highlight out of this number

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<v Speaker 1>that shows Dutton as the preferred prime minister by one point,

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<v Speaker 1>about the people who actually put the poll together. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>of those that have given them comments while giving their

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<v Speaker 1>answers about who they'd vote for if there was an election.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, some of the comments we collect are becoming

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<v Speaker 1>quite angry. We are also beginning to see more specific

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the cost of housing and rents, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as growing unease with job security. Now, who are the

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<v Speaker 1>people who could actually do something about that? The great

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<v Speaker 1>passengers of the Australian economy, the ones who say, trusts us.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's okay. Sure, growth is okay for us at zero

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<v Speaker 1>point one percent, but you have to live in a

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<v Speaker 1>per capita recession. They take more tax from you than

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<v Speaker 1>ever before as an overall slice of the economy, but

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<v Speaker 1>they rejig parts of it so it becomes two little

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<v Speaker 1>too late tax cuts so they can say they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>something about it. The Poles will only get worse while

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<v Speaker 1>they maintain this current smug attitude. And every single person

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<v Speaker 1>you can see in your screen, including that bloke, gets

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<v Speaker 1>their third pay rise in this term of parliament, their

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<v Speaker 1>third outrageous. Now about those polls, As I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>they continue to shock the political classes, but they don't

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<v Speaker 1>shock you and I. We've been on the front lines

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<v Speaker 1>of this and speaking about it for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we have been seeing what's been coming. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>headline right now thirty six thirty five in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>who is the preferred prime minister nationally, big chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>people having no idea which way they're going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But have a look at this. Labour's got a Queensland problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a massive, mega, huge Queensland problem. Now they've

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<v Speaker 1>got less than half a dozen seats in Queensland, but

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon a couple of those, particularly places like Lily,

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<v Speaker 1>might be under real threat and they might lose some

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<v Speaker 1>to the Greens because their vote is apparently up. But

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<v Speaker 1>look at what's happening there. Forty eight percent of people

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<v Speaker 1>saying the preferred prime minister is Peter Dutton Albow. The

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<v Speaker 1>only place you can get a high five is from

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor government, which is currently about to get flushed

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<v Speaker 1>down the toot and hopefully h in a few months time. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>another opinion pole, same organization, this time over in the

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<v Speaker 1>Financial Review. It shows pretty obviously in a whole raft

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<v Speaker 1>of numbers, and let's look at the bottom right hand

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<v Speaker 1>corner of these numbers. More than anything else, two Party

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<v Speaker 1>preferred fifty to fifty, exactly the same number as the

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<v Speaker 1>News poll has had out there. So we're now starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see a trend. You're starting to see a trend.

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<v Speaker 1>Now overall they're preferred Prime Minister Albow in front, but

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<v Speaker 1>only by two points. Now remember I was somebody sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here thinking, oh, preferred Prime Minister Scott Morrison was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So the twenty twenty two election, who knows what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, Albow a year out was running third to

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<v Speaker 1>don't Know. Well, Duarton is well and truly in front

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<v Speaker 1>of don't Know and he's starting to breathe down the

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<v Speaker 1>neck in how many poles in a row now around

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony abernezi As for their overall vote, the Labor if

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party consider it forty nationally, then they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to win an awful lot of seats. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen with the Teal seats. The Teal

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<v Speaker 1>seats are the statistical block between an opposition getting close

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<v Speaker 1>and an opposition get close to government. But on all

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<v Speaker 1>of these numbers, the Labor Party will go into minority,

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<v Speaker 1>which means the tale will wag the dog for three

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<v Speaker 1>years and we will be in a very tough place

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<v Speaker 1>for the next little while. It doesn't matter how left

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<v Speaker 1>wing all of those MPs are and how that all

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<v Speaker 1>thing off a certain type of song sheheet. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the government's not in charge, that are in charge when

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to go and double check with somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>before you can even pass one piece of legislation in

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<v Speaker 1>the Low House, let alone the Greens, Pocock and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest in the Upper House. And also on the issues,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have a look here at how things

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<v Speaker 1>have changed since the last election, where the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 1>which was leading in many of these areas, is now

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<v Speaker 1>only preferred by voters when it comes to welfare, family

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<v Speaker 1>and community, health care, education and training, the environment and

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<v Speaker 1>climate change, and strikes, unemployment, roads, housing, accommodation, standard of living,

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<v Speaker 1>government spending, managing the economy, defense, national security, crime and order,

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<v Speaker 1>immigration and asylum, all of those currently being led by

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<v Speaker 1>the opposition. The pole shocks will continue no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>arrogant the Prime Minister is, and no matter how deaf,

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<v Speaker 1>dumb and blind the people around him are and saying

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<v Speaker 1>good job boss. More of the same pleas which brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to today, and the red carpet was rolled out

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<v Speaker 1>for China to essentially continue to march over the top

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<v Speaker 1>of us. Of course, this is a wonderful refreshing of

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship because Australia doesn't call China out anymore, even

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<v Speaker 1>when they endanger members of the Australian Defense Force. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything. We pretend that what's said at Beefweek

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<v Speaker 1>is a way of responding. Yet, as we showed you

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<v Speaker 1>and sent it estimates, nobody made a phone call to

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<v Speaker 1>China about it, a little bit like that scared person

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<v Speaker 1>who secretly hopes that they get voicemail or technically rings

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<v Speaker 1>an old number and says, well, I tried to contact

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<v Speaker 1>them now. Of course, all of this politically apparently works

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<v Speaker 1>for Anthony Aberdeasi because the one point four million people

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<v Speaker 1>of Chinese descent in Australia well and truly turned against

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party last time after voting for them in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, sixteen, thirteen, ten and in two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So most likely all of this garbage somewhat helps politically,

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<v Speaker 1>but only in a certain pocket of Australia. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>as you have heard, the media only one message tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>which was everything is awesome. With the flick of a

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<v Speaker 1>penanda firm handshake, Australia and China renewed and revitalized their relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister declaring Australia's relationship with China is renewed and revitalized.

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<v Speaker 1>Both leaders are celebrating the high level visit as a

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<v Speaker 1>sign that Australia and China's ties have now recovered. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an abusive relationship where as long as we don't

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<v Speaker 1>push back, we're told everything will be okay, you will

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<v Speaker 1>be financially all right. Yet they continue the intimidation of

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<v Speaker 1>our defense force, they continue the infiltration of our education

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<v Speaker 1>and our political system. But as long as you don't

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<v Speaker 1>push back, then the handsome boy will get the cuddles

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<v Speaker 1>that he wants. Thankfully, tonight there were some people that

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<v Speaker 1>were braver than many, if not most people in the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Parliament, or many or most people in the Australian media,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were the ones who went to Cambridge today

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to speak on the behalf of a million

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<v Speaker 1>people who live in concentration camps working as slave labor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the reality for the weigest population. Of course, you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the intimidation that happened with my colleague Chang Lai,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been held in a Chinese prison for three years,

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<v Speaker 1>trumped up bes chargers. But the Chinese diplomats in our

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<v Speaker 1>country start to get in the way, pushing Paul and

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<v Speaker 1>try to intimidate her world under the members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian press who started to push back. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see the lady in white, the Australian embassy officials

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Foreign Affairs saying no, no, come on

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<v Speaker 1>out of the way, out of the way. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course when the Prime is was asked about it, just

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<v Speaker 1>like when the boat of illegal arrivals were there in

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<v Speaker 1>Western Australia, Oh he doesn't know. Apparently he's found didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work today. Apparently one of the what eleven people who

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk to the Prime Minister about his media.

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<v Speaker 1>None of them were able to pass on to the

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<v Speaker 1>big boy. Of course, he will have plenty to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be only after the Chinese leadership has gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Today was a pantomime, a pantomime of pretending that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a partnership where we are well and truly the

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<v Speaker 1>weaker partner, and to be the weaker partner in our

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<v Speaker 1>own parliament I find disgraceful James Patterson, who remember had

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<v Speaker 1>been banned from traveling to China for his ability to

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<v Speaker 1>speak out against China, while he is using every bit

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<v Speaker 1>of his opportunity as the Home Affairs Minister to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the truth about this abusive relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we always have to be robust in

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<v Speaker 2>advocating our national interests. We should do that in a

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<v Speaker 2>respectful and a measured way. We should be strategic about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But we shouldn't be afraid to do it, because actually,

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<v Speaker 2>what authoritarian regimes want from democracies, almost more than anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>is our silence. They want our complicity. They want us

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<v Speaker 2>to stop criticizing them and calling out that behavior. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is important, because we had our liberal democracy that

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<v Speaker 2>we are consistent with that, and we speak out. We're appropriate,

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<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't be cowed into silence.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are. But don't forget what does this government

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<v Speaker 1>have in common with the Chinese government that want a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of the Internet. Oh, it starts with misinformation, But

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<v Speaker 1>of course who declares the information to be misinformation? The government,

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<v Speaker 1>the same government that's got it so wrong so many times.

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<v Speaker 1>But more importantly said that you fell for misinformation when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to a yes no vote about what would

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<v Speaker 1>happen with the constitution. These people are playing for keeps

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<v Speaker 1>and they will find any and every way to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that any opposition to them is marginalized at the least,

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<v Speaker 1>but snuffed out at the very worst. Make no mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the plan. That is the play. By watching

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<v Speaker 1>this program each and every night, by supporting this channel

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that you do you push back, Please

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<v Speaker 1>do it every night. We've been on such a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>We will continue that journey for a very long time

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<v Speaker 1>to come. Annoy these people by sharing our content. Annoy

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<v Speaker 1>these people by liking us on Facebook. Annoy these people

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<v Speaker 1>by getting our app via skuynews dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>Push Push Push, Because it's definitely necessary. The government cannot

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<v Speaker 1>decide what is true or not and then pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>we are the free and open place. That is oh

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<v Speaker 1>so different than the way they play the game in China. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that we all feel this way about

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<v Speaker 1>watching the relationship with China, well, let's look what the

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<v Speaker 1>pr machine is doing back in China. The Global Times,

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<v Speaker 1>which is spent many a time referring to Australia as

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<v Speaker 1>gum under their shoe. Remember that's their actual view of Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>On no, no, Now they're quoting their own opinion polling. Geez,

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<v Speaker 1>how open and free do you think their opinion polling

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<v Speaker 1>is in China? I read from the Global Times, the

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<v Speaker 1>propagandist outfit. The Global Times not a free media. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not one for one here as China Australian relations stabilize

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<v Speaker 1>mutual good will between the peoples of both countries. As

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<v Speaker 1>on the Rios. The Chinese respondents to their survey have

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<v Speaker 1>reported a significant increase in their favorable perception of Australia. Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that amazing. Compared to the last survey back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, the average goodwill's score has risen by

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<v Speaker 1>seven points and out of sixty nine point two percent,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in alignment with the policy adjustment of the

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<v Speaker 1>current Anthony Albanesi government. The yay for the day is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the propagandists in China to the Chinese people.

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<v Speaker 1>The propaganda is then, of course laundered, refashioned and posted

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<v Speaker 1>on social media here now for people that are half

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention. Of course, I fully support the Chinese diaspora

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<v Speaker 1>that is here. My communication, my criticism, my vehement opposition

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<v Speaker 1>is about the c c P, the government of China,

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<v Speaker 1>not its citizen or its diaspora around the world. My

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<v Speaker 1>reference when it comes to elections was the statistical proven

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there was a move in that population, and

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<v Speaker 1>in part that was because of the information that they

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<v Speaker 1>were getting from local media here. That really was a

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<v Speaker 1>rewashing of the propaganda that is being served up in China. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in this country we are free until of course they

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<v Speaker 1>turn around and tell us what's true and not true

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<v Speaker 1>and not allowed on the internet. So how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this would go under that new system? Johannah Sleek

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<v Speaker 1>in The Australian today, what a cracking cartoon, good bloke,

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<v Speaker 1>funny man. Prime Minister basically Nicki nu on the leash.

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<v Speaker 1>See it is possible to stabilize the relationship and maintain

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<v Speaker 1>our self respect. Anthony PEKINESI, well done to those who

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<v Speaker 1>remain fearless and are willing to push back again. CCP

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<v Speaker 1>is the problem, not the citizens. Now in Melbourne, plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of crime going on, But of course many of the

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<v Speaker 1>lefties there would like to say that it's like AOC

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<v Speaker 1>would say a form of reparations. Well, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great freedom lovers in the state of Victoria is and

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<v Speaker 1>none other than the beautiful Rebecca Judd. Her husband the

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<v Speaker 1>legendary football player now businessman, and she herself is a

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<v Speaker 1>business woman. She's come out and said that Melbourne now

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<v Speaker 1>is basically work broken, violent and I couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 1>But on crime, let's get back to old mate. Daniel Andrews,

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<v Speaker 1>the bloker gets the gold medal after overseeing a system

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's longest lockdown and people dying alone during COVID. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quick giving the gold medal. Now, he had an announcement

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<v Speaker 1>while he was Premier, which is they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>raise the age of criminal responsibility. The crime wouldn't disappear,

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<v Speaker 1>just the people you would hold responsible for the crime

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<v Speaker 1>will no longer get held responsible. They've changed the age

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<v Speaker 1>of responsibility, first up to from ten to twelve, and

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<v Speaker 1>then by twenty twenty seven move up to fourteen, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>all the crime keeps happening, but you won't be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take a ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, or even potentially

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen year old into the system to be held

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<v Speaker 1>accountable for that crime that makes you woke, broke and violent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that the same government has the same policy,

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<v Speaker 1>with the same plan but a different premiere, they are

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<v Speaker 1>now wanting you to give them credit for potentially cracking

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<v Speaker 1>down on youth crime. The same people who have moved

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<v Speaker 1>the line of responsibility and will plan to move it again,

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<v Speaker 1>are now pretending that they are going to go after

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<v Speaker 1>youth crime. Youth crime that, by the way, according to

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<v Speaker 1>that far right wing the age is now at a

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<v Speaker 1>decade high, in part because of a pursuit of notoriety

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<v Speaker 1>as people film their stuff and put it on the internet. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now the Victorian Labor government are set to crack down.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Attorney General. We want to respond to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to pick up naughty kids. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure they're not turning into a serious offender that

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<v Speaker 1>frankly the community is afraid of. Well, Attorney General, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you should think about your own laws and your own handwriting,

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<v Speaker 1>because your own laws and your own handwriting says that

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<v Speaker 1>a ten year old and an eleven year old no

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<v Speaker 1>longer responsible for what they do in your state. Under

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<v Speaker 1>your laws. They're not responsible for crime, but they are

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough to take the hormone blockers to change their gender.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not old enough to drink, but they can go

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<v Speaker 1>off to the clinic and it gets worse. They move

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<v Speaker 1>it up to thirteen, they move it up to fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not interested in cracking down on youth crime.

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<v Speaker 1>They are interested in pretending that they can just make

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<v Speaker 1>it disappear by not holding people accountable for it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a few things I want to get through in the

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<v Speaker 1>inbox before we get to a great debate, Matt Canavan,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Crosby, looking forward to that one tonight. You may

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<v Speaker 1>remember four d and fifty million dollars of your taxpayers

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<v Speaker 1>money was spent not just on two brand new jets

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<v Speaker 1>for the Prime minister. Oh, that's right. They were ordered

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<v Speaker 1>under the previous government, but not canceled under his. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and fifty million dollars which is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be spent on those two new planes. Well, that's also

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount of money that he spent on a

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<v Speaker 1>national yes, no question the referendum. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the Voice, you may well recall it started out a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty forty everyone in one place, all the corporates, all

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the politicians, and then the No campaign fired up just

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<v Speaker 1>into Nampa, jimper Price and the wonderful one on one Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave Australian's courage to be able to push back

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<v Speaker 1>to say the front end of the plane no more,

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<v Speaker 1>make it focused on normal people, and of course it

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<v Speaker 1>became a sixty to forty hell no vote. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this was meant to be the start of

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<v Speaker 1>a three prong process which was, among other things, going

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<v Speaker 1>to include a truth and Reconciliation Commission and start to

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<v Speaker 1>move towards a treaty process, remember Voice, Treaty Truth. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, the Australian people, as I say, quite

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<v Speaker 1>clear in what their determination was of the first part

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>of it. But the Prime Minister is determined to ignore

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the mood of the nation and move on with the

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<v Speaker 1>Macarata process. Anyway, let's get to truth. Let's get to

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>treaty now. Of course, all of this was just hidden

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>in the back pages of The Guardian today, in between

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<v Speaker 1>all the times they beg you for money every time

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you go to their website because you know, as it

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>should be. But apparently your vote don't matter. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>surprise you that the bloke who's got three pay rises

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<v Speaker 1>since he became Prime Minister could not really care about

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>your vote? The people who truly believe in a democracy,

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>but let's get ready to censor the Internet. The people

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<v Speaker 1>who will stand up for Australian values but just won't

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>mention too. The leaders of the country that actually damage

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<v Speaker 1>our troops, be they in the air or in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>but sh there's lobsters to be sold. Doesn't really care

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>about such a demonstrable rejection of his agenda. They rejected

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<v Speaker 1>it in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia, Queensland, New South Wales,

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory, Western Australia and even woke Old Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, because they all live in the bubble

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<v Speaker 1>of the Act where everyone voted yes and lovely left,

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he is like Laura Tingle, think that well, there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a huge run on racism in the country

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<v Speaker 1>because that evil Peter Dutton is cutting immigration, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what Anthony Abernezi is claiming to do as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But you follow the dots. They all just live in

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<v Speaker 1>there ownder the world, and they all police it, and

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they all give each other awards, and they all tuck

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<v Speaker 1>each other in metaphorically to bed each and every night.

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<v Speaker 1>Madness speaking of good news as well, not that any

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<v Speaker 1>of that was John Farnham. I love him. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>him everything from performing in a tent in Townsville or

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<v Speaker 1>a stadium in Sydney. I've seen him big gigs, small gigs,

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it. I love, love, love this

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>guy National treasure. As you know, he's gone through his

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<v Speaker 1>cancer battle. The first photos of his post cancer appearance

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>have now popped up after his son's wedding. This is

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>brave on everyone's front. Obviously, John Farnham doesn't look like

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the John Farnham that we have known on the stage.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>But John Farnham looks like the John Farnham that we

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<v Speaker 1>love and that we will love every single day of

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>his life. Congratulations to his son, Congratulations to his family,

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and strength and love to you. John Australia loves you

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>beyond words. We love you all right, quick break back

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>with more. Let's get into the debate right now. We're

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to it. Matt Canavan is here, Sam Crosby

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>is here. There's plenty of things to fire up about

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the Sevening. You can always send me an email portsguynews

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot are you did I mention I love

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>John Farnham. We love John Farnham. Honestly, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for watching. Not this next Sunday is our next

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<v Speaker 1>ourtown and I'm pleased to say I return to the

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual warmth of Queensland where ourtown will be coming right

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<v Speaker 1>from the heart of Brisbane, in fact, in the specific

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<v Speaker 1>suburb of mcgree If you would like to join us,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can get to Brisbane, not this next Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>news dot com dot a you McGregor in Brizzy in

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland the next of our our town locations. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be awesome, all right. Speaking of awesome, none of the wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Crosby joining us here labor to his bootstraps but

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>we'll forgive him. And he sits here in the man

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<v Speaker 1>Kvachen every week having a chat to a man who's

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<v Speaker 1>well and truly national to his bootstraps technically LNP, but

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<v Speaker 1>we know it's national. None of than the great Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Canavan, of course, joining us now from Rocky and Yourpoon.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about the treatment that was rolled out today,

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<v Speaker 1>the giant pantomime that was played before us, which was

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<v Speaker 1>everything is okay, everything is reconnected, everything is great with China.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yet I've listed up here and Downdale. While I am

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable with this giant performance, Matt, I know that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who earns a dollar out of China and everyone that's

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<v Speaker 1>got some sort of connection to it as to why

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<v Speaker 1>it's the big future for their business says all amazing days,

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<v Speaker 1>amazing days. I just think about the helicopter that they

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<v Speaker 1>almost blew out of the sky, and I think about

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they still have the blooprints to the

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<v Speaker 1>ASO headquarters, let alone the email details of the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Parliament. But please welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks for having me, Paul, and I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to quickly shout out to McGregor. They're great that you're

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<v Speaker 3>going there. I played cricket for the McGregor Cricket Club

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<v Speaker 3>in my youth. They've got wonderful Tartan baggy cats, not

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<v Speaker 3>the baggy green baggy Tartan hats. It's a great career club.

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<v Speaker 3>So you'll have a fun time there.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, yeah, I mean we still can't trust China, right,

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<v Speaker 3>We all know that we cannot trust them. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a facade going on here today. Apparently

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<v Speaker 3>government officials themselves were instructed to take burner phones to

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<v Speaker 3>the meetings they were having with Chinese officials. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that just screams friendship and stabilization, I think is the

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<v Speaker 3>word right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But I do want to take a bit more a

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<v Speaker 3>historic look back at this and say thank you to

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Morrison. Not many people do, but he did stand

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<v Speaker 3>up to China's bullying a few years ago. Certainly, the

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<v Speaker 3>anthony of an easy government refuses to recognize the strength

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 3>that Scott showed a few years ago. When China tried

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<v Speaker 3>to bully us. They tried to say they wanted us

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<v Speaker 3>to change our policies. They gave us a list of

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen policy here is. They wanted us to change, or

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<v Speaker 3>else they wouldn't buy things like coal and bali and

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<v Speaker 3>lobster and wine from us. And we stood our ground,

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<v Speaker 3>and as it turned out, it hurt China a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more than it hurt us. Within months running out of coal,

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<v Speaker 3>and their power prices went through the roof, And so

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<v Speaker 3>we should. The fact that we're here today is also

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<v Speaker 3>testament to the strong decisions we make made a few

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. I do worry whether Anthony Elbanezi, if put

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<v Speaker 3>in the same situation, would show the same backbone. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean today he couldn't even say a word about the

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<v Speaker 3>atrocious behavior of Chinese officials towards cheng Lai. He said

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<v Speaker 3>he couldn't see it, didn't see it, and so therefore

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<v Speaker 3>cold comment. I mean, I hope tomorrow maybe he could

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<v Speaker 3>review the footage and defend the Australian media and Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>freedom of the press.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, look, this is exactly what he had

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<v Speaker 1>to say. It's a carbon copy of the prominius. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I ask you about the boat arrival that's just happened

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<v Speaker 1>off Westerners? Oh sorry, my phone doesn't work in the place.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be held responsible for what's happening right before

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<v Speaker 1>my own eyes. Well, I didn't see that. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>Chang Layam we smiled at each other. Well, then you

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<v Speaker 1>would have also seen that there were people that you

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<v Speaker 1>kin't have it both ways here, Sam, you saw her

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<v Speaker 1>and exchanged a glance of love, or you were able

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<v Speaker 1>to see her and start to see her being blocked

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<v Speaker 1>out by people.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, I mean, look, I think to your point and

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<v Speaker 4>to Matt's point, there are serious concerns with the relationship,

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<v Speaker 4>but also there's a time and a place to raise

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<v Speaker 4>those things, and the time of the place, as Peter

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<v Speaker 4>Dutton would acknowledge in his speech, that was perfectly above

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<v Speaker 4>board and perfect amicable. You don't do it in the

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<v Speaker 4>full glare of the public camera, public audience. You wait

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<v Speaker 4>until you're you know, behind the scenes. You can have

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<v Speaker 4>this unless you just.

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<v Speaker 1>Integrate it, and you can do it on the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>of Kirabilly House.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, but you know with the thing today, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what he saw and what he didn't, So I

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<v Speaker 4>know what what.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he saw was a smile.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, I don't know at what stage he saw Chang

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<v Speaker 4>lay to do that, but yes, obviously what happened to

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<v Speaker 4>Chung Lay was outrage.

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<v Speaker 1>So is he going to say anything or are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to get tomorrow in Perth, you know, the cuddles

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<v Speaker 1>with Andrew Forrest and all the rest of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>quickly change your subjects and back to panda diplomacy on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, you know, as sad as it sounds, I would

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<v Speaker 4>imagine that's what you're going to get. You don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to you don't want to derail something like this that

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<v Speaker 4>has been for all intense purposes with this one very obvious,

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 4>glaring emission, a good trip that has gone some of

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 4>the way to stabilizing the relationship.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's let's talk about it one way. Yeah, well, look,

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, we can rattled, we can rat old.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.959
<v Speaker 4>It seems to fit that Matt isn't. Why isn't Peter

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 4>Dutton saying something about this when he gave the speech

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 4>he gave the speech, Well.

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't at that press conference.

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 3>He was about press conference and the minister he's the

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 3>prime minister.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Of the country. No, no, no, sure, but I haven't.

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.399
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen any comments that Peter has been asked about.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Ebaneze was directly asked about this and you just

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 3>heard what he said, and it's weak and it's it's

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 3>sort of becoming typical of this Prime minister, where he

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>was weak last week about John Setka, he's week this

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 3>week about this particulars and I agree with you he

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 3>has to find a diplomatic form of words here while

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 3>the Chinese premiere is in town. But surely there's a

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 3>way that a Prime minister could weave those that particular

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>diplomatic needle or thread through that needle and find a

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 3>way to defend Australis media while not fully humiliating and

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>embarrassing the Chinese delegation. But their behavior was out of

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 3>line and of course Australian press and media are welcome

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 3>at press conferences and should not be subject to that

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 3>type of treatment by officials.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Now one of the issues that came out of the

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 1>budget and reply, yes remember the budget not seven years ago,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.760
<v Speaker 1>by the way, just a few weeks ago when Peter Dunton,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, so set the lefties world a light. Not

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 1>with the twenty thirty stuff that was last week where

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>his numbers went up and became the Prime minister. Now

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it was before that when the nasty, nicky Savas and

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it was telling it all immigration or

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't pull that's racist stuff, you know, Laura Tingle,

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 1>racist racist racist. Well, one of the bits got completely

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 1>missed from most people in their outrage was what I

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>think is going to be quite a political winner for

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton, which is, as he said, he will ban for

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years foreign buyers being able to buy

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Australian property. Now, this has happened in other parts of

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the world, including under Queen Ardern in New Zealand, although

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that seemed to be left out of Lefty Laura Tingle's

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>monthly essay about how amazing New Zealand was and the

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>lessons they could have for Australia. But whatever. Anyway, we

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>learned today that Australia is now a top target of

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>foreign buyers. A foreign buyers obviously, by the nature of

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 1>their name, they come from everywhere. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>one of the problems with housing is the number of

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>people who, of course are at any one auction. If

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>you can remove the number of people at that auction,

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>well then obviously your chances are winning the auction. Will

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>they start to go up? Matt, I think this was

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a really big policy that I think we heard about

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>on the day and then really hasn't been doubled down

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>on sins. But I think there's a real winner in

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>all of this, and I think that it's something that

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Australians would react very well to. And by the way,

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Australia means Australians of all types. It's not just some

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>secret sort of smoke signal about white people. It's just

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 1>saying if you live somewhere else, you don't get to

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>blow away somebody in this country who wants to buy

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a unit.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's just basically common sense when we have so

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 3>many Australians living out of tents. I mean all of

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 3>our major cities now have these tent cities, which are

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 3>just not unbecoming of a country like ours, as rich

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 3>as prosperous as nation. They should not be happening in Australia.

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 3>And obviously we need to do more than just this

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>particular policy. Peter Dutton's also announced to much criticism from

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 3>the government of changes to the migration numbers. But we

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 3>need to start with the basic principle that Australians must

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.800
<v Speaker 3>be housed first before we take in hundreds of thousands

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 3>of more migrants and before we offer for sale the

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 3>established dwellings in this country. So that it's a very

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 3>fair policy. It needs to be properly enforced. Of course,

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 3>there's a problem here sometimes in getting the people getting

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 3>around the rules. But there just needs to be this

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 3>mindset that we've got to look after Australians first. They're

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 3>not being looked after right now and it needs to

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 3>be a concerted attempt here to house all Australians before

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 3>we focus on the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam, what do you think of the idea? I mean,

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>to me, it just seems common sense. It doesn't disadvantage

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 1>any Australian citizen. It disadvantages the people trying to abuse us.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there has to be a principle of reciprocation

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 4>at the heart of it. If you're from a country

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 4>that allows an Australian to come to your country and

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 4>buy you anything from a house America, Korea, whatever, and

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 4>you can buy a house there, you can buy an

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 4>electricity grid network, you can buy a road, you can

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 4>buy whatever. You can buy a piece of infrastructure, fine,

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 4>then you should have those same rights in Australia. That obviously,

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean China being the obvious case point would not

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 4>allow an Australian to go to China. And I think

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 4>that reciprocation is a critical point. I do have a

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 4>problem saying just hard and fast, Nope, no one can

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 4>can buy any properties in Australia because there are obviously

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of Australians living overseas who will be buying

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 4>properties and whatnot ivesting overseas.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:45.919
<v Speaker 1>I heard the same speech you did. I'm not aware

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>of the deep fine print or reckon. If you can

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>produce an Australian passport, you're going to be okay in

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>all of this. Let's talk about electoral impacts in and

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>around where they're going to build the renewable energy world

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>right Hunter Valley hardcore labor seats. They're going to put

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 1>wind farms, butther be slightly further out, goes from ten

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 1>ks to twenty four k's South coast hardcore labor. And

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you said Wales again, not ten kilometers twenty four kilometers.

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's going to be some surprises at

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the election, either about margins or maybe even results when

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>local communities and the only person out there right now

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 1>is the Nationals saying we get in power, this goes away.

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know.

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.879
<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe I genuinely think, you know, if we're talking

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 4>about what's going on in the South Coast in Woollongong

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 4>at the moment with the offshore wind, I genuinely think

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 4>this is a much ado about nothing. And I guess

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.879
<v Speaker 4>we'll see, right, I guess we'll see. I think there's

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 4>a lot of very active environmentalists from the hard left

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.439
<v Speaker 4>in the Greens who are very upset about migratory bird

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 4>patterns and whales and blah blah blah. I think there's

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of people in the right who just say

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 4>absolutely no to renewables now, not ever, and they're meeting

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 4>and they're having a little moment in the sun. I

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 4>think the vast majority of people look at these things

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:11.240
<v Speaker 4>being no bigger than a matchstick on the horizon twenty

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 4>kilometers out to sea, and they'll think, oh, yeah, fine,

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.879
<v Speaker 4>if that's going to bring my power down, well fine.

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Now, Matt. Obviously you can disagree, and you've got plenty

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of examples of what's happening in Queensland again, is this

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that is bubbling below the surface

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of everyone who gets paid to talk about politics for

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>a living and we're going to see some surprises here,

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.919
<v Speaker 1>not suggesting they're about to go liberal on the South coast.

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Look, it's it's definitely the most volatile issue in regional Australia.

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 3>It generates the most heat from people. I mean, Sam's

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 3>wright to know. It's always hard to know exactly what

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 3>issue will change a vote, but I think Sam's just

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 3>missed one particular constituency there. And you're probably seeing bumper

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 3>stickers like this over the years, but by fish and

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I vote. And one of the facts of these areas

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 3>that I think everyone should understand is these big parts

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>of the ocean that they shade off in the newspaper.

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 3>You can't take a fishing boat in there like once

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 3>they put up It's not like you can navigate around

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 3>the wind turbines. The whole area is excised from commercial

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 3>and recreational fishing. And these coastal communities a lot of

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 3>people fish, and not just the commercial fishing industry, but

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 3>then there's a lot of people but like to go

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 3>and take their son or daughter out fishing at the weekend.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 3>They've got a boat they've invested in that they put

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 3>their savings into it, and suddenly the government comes along

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 3>and takes away some of the best of their fishing

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 3>lands to excise for an overseas off and an overseas

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 3>investor to make a lot of money through government subsidies.

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 3>That is going to generate a lot of heat, and

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 3>so it will be very interesting. Now, a lot of

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 3>these seats are very strong labor seats, like those around Wollongong,

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 3>So maybe that's not enough to see as change, but

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 3>I definitely think there'll be a swing based on this issue.

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it certainly means, frankly, like the Teals, if you

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>end up defending what you didn't think you have to

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>defend as well as attack in an environment of what

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight seats right now, and you obviously seventy six

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.240
<v Speaker 1>is that magic number. Every dollar you spend somewhere defending

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>is something you're not spending attacking. It'll be fascinating to see.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Can I put a little pin a little prediction here,

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.839
<v Speaker 1>the shooters, farmers and fishers, they'll end up coming out.

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And remember at the federal election, a federal by election

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago and Eden Manero, the former

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Bellweather seat, their preferences went to Labor. So wait, watch

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and see whether those preferences move. If they do, it

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>could have a result because their preferences decided that seat.

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live.

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 1>That's an I think Christy McBain is a future star

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Labor Party. Oh fairness, what quick break more

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to talk about here in a moment here on Paul

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Murray Lot. Thank you very much. Let's get into the

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>speed round now with Sam Crosby and with Senator Matt Canavan.

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<v Speaker 1>So long discussed is the demise of traditional media television, newspapers, radio,

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. Well new piece of evidence suggesting

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 1>social media on the rise and social media will become

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the number one source of media and how people get

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>their news for obvious reasons, I don't live in that universe,

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.439
<v Speaker 1>but I know certainly sort of people of a certain

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.279
<v Speaker 1>age do live in that universe. But Sam, for those

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of us trying to keep an eye on politics, how

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the hell do we track what is actually hitting or

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>not hitting on social media? I mean, for people that

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 1>were in the Yes campaign, they got smacked, smacked on

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>social media by what was happening in and around the

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>No campaign because they thought that all of the air

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>cover from sort of the establishment was going to get right.

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Is this a legitimate worry for political parties that they go, look,

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 1>we say, we know how much have you spent versus

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>how much have we spent? But who's actually tracking whether

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 1>the ad you put out is better than the one

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Matt puts out, and whether people watch more of your

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>videos than Matt's video.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and how much is your base watching? It's a

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 4>really good question. Also added to this, the private networks

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 4>have become much more WhatsApp groups, So the things that

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 4>you'll share with your friends and family, you'll send that

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 4>on a series of chats on WhatsApp or signal or

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 4>things like that, Whereas the public facing has been cannibalized

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 4>and monopolized by funny videos and professional content creators and whatnot.

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:17.280
<v Speaker 4>So it makes it really hard to try to figure out,

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, where anyone's actually getting their news. This also

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 4>coincides at a time when trust in the media is

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 4>at its lowest since COVID first started. So people are

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 4>opting out for all sorts of reasons and you can't

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 4>track where they're going. It doesn't bode well for the

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 4>future of public discord, of civics, of engagement and democracy.

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, and also, Matt, as I've talked about before, the

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>other blind spot, right is about local media in different

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>languages that might get filtered back through sort of home

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 1>countries all the rest of it. But as a bloke

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 1>who has been quite successful on social media, Okay, obviously

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you put out a post and you'll be able to

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>look twenty four hours and go x thousand people have

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>had a lot look at it. But I mean, again,

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 1>don't tell us the secrets, but the extra layers of

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>information available to political candidates to actually tell you what

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>type of person is watching something.

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, you can get that information through different social

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<v Speaker 3>media platforms. I mean I would say you've got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more data on how effective your communication is now

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<v Speaker 3>than you ever did before. I mean, which traditional media

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<v Speaker 3>you sort of knew how many people view it, but

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know how many people share it and other things.

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<v Speaker 3>SAMs exactly right about the private sharing, which obviously we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have no idea about.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean it comes back to the old saying

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<v Speaker 3>I waste half my budget on marketing. I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>know which half, and there's always been us, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>probably still going to be that in the future, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot more different types of media. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's Look, I'm not as pessimistic about this sort

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff as most. Look, there's lots of different ways

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<v Speaker 3>to communicate. Now, I think it's great, it's pretty well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a wild West out there, but it's just got

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<v Speaker 3>to embrace it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he was right the voice. He was right on

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<v Speaker 1>how the twenty and thirty mid targets are going to work.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I might back in Matt Canavan on

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<v Speaker 1>number three here. All right, now I've got literally twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the story in the Guardian today that says,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently sheep grazing underneath solar panels is amazing? Matt, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that this was a special thing that every

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<v Speaker 1>farmer needed?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, where's the balance here from the Guardian? They're always

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<v Speaker 3>playing defense for these massive investors. Yeah, so look, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I prefer to hear from the broader farming community,

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<v Speaker 3>which is saying to me they're very worried about this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and how it affects agricultural land.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what a surprise. They always come up with a

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<v Speaker 1>way to justify their own position. Thank you guys, do

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it, and then turn around and have a go

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<v Speaker 1>at those they disagree for doing exactly the same. All right,

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