WEBVTT - Mossad says this is Iran's antisemitic mastermind

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday October twenty eight, twenty twenty five. Secret squirdle

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<v Speaker 1>anticks about the government's net zero goals with a fight

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<v Speaker 1>between the Senate and Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen's department.

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<v Speaker 1>The bureaucrats will release a hefty brief about the plans,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll be heavily redacted. A memoir by former ABC

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<v Speaker 1>chair itebytros goes deep on her adventures in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>but iters skipped the most embarrassing chapter of all, the

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<v Speaker 1>matter of sacked radio presenter Antoinette Latoufe, which costs the

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<v Speaker 1>ABC a heavy penalty and a heavy dose of public humiliation.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is in items book? Literary editor Caroline Overington

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<v Speaker 1>has all the details right now at the Australian dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot AU. A grainy photo of a dapper looking gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the terrorist who's responsible for striking horror into

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's Jewish community? Israeli's spy agency Mossad, says a senior

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<v Speaker 1>officer in Iran's ultra elite Kudz force named Sadhah Ahmar

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<v Speaker 1>is the mastermind of two attacks in Sydney and Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is Kuds Force and who is Suddha Amar?

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<v Speaker 1>That's today's episode. In twenty twenty four, as Australia's Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>community tried to grapple with a rise in anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti and protests and the deplatforming of Jewish artists and creatives,

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<v Speaker 1>things suddenly seemed to kick into another gear. Background. It

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<v Speaker 1>was four o'clock this morning when Lewis's Continental Kitchen caught fire.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on Kerl Lewis Street here in Bondi. Melbourne's

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish community is in shock after a fire bomb attack

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<v Speaker 1>on one of australias busiest synagogues.

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<v Speaker 2>Worshipers reigned for their lives as a sanctuary built by

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<v Speaker 2>Holocaust survivors sixty years ago was destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Serious frightening violence. A synagogue burned to the ground, a

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish restaurant torch. In august Australia's security boss ASIO Director

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<v Speaker 1>General Mike Burgess said they identified the Iranian state as

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<v Speaker 1>being behind the attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an organized crime element offshore in this that

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<v Speaker 2>that's not suggested organized crime are doing it. They're just

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<v Speaker 2>using cutouts, including people who are criminal and members of

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<v Speaker 2>organized crime gangs to do their bidding or direct their bidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, has come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a name. A senior officer of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard

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<v Speaker 1>Corps the IIGC named Saddar amar Amar is high up.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Mossad, he reports directly to Smail Kunney, the

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<v Speaker 1>commander of the ultra elite KULDS force. That means he's

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<v Speaker 1>just two steps down from Iran's supreme leader Ayatola Kmena.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent. Cameron, what

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<v Speaker 1>do we know about this man?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Claire, we don't know too much about him. We've

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<v Speaker 3>certainly know what he looks like. He's got a black

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<v Speaker 3>skivy and a lovely thorn coach. He looks like the

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<v Speaker 3>essence of a Middle Eastern gentleman. According to the photograph

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<v Speaker 3>that Mosad released, his name is Saddar Ahmah and he

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<v Speaker 3>is the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps KOD's force.

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<v Speaker 3>But Mossad, when they made this very unusual statement revealing

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<v Speaker 3>this man to be the leader of this sole operation,

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<v Speaker 3>did not give any further information about Sadda Ama, So

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<v Speaker 3>all we really know is that picture of him and

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<v Speaker 3>his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything Mosad does, of course is calculated, and presumably releasing

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<v Speaker 1>his picture letting him know that they've identified him and

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<v Speaker 1>outed him as a basically intelligence or to the world,

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<v Speaker 1>is part of their tactic, right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they haven't said exactly why they're releasing it

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<v Speaker 3>at this point, but they do make as part of

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<v Speaker 3>their statement. Claire Moscat makes the point that the fighting

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<v Speaker 3>of terror includes the knowledge that they're doing things like this,

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<v Speaker 3>So what they're really saying is a statement public statement

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<v Speaker 3>to the world, we know what you're doing Iran, we

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<v Speaker 3>know you're doing this stuff. We're onto you. Don't be filled.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course with Mossad, this is just one of

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<v Speaker 3>many operations that they have done very successfully against Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>They help destroy Hespala in Lebanon with the page of explosions,

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<v Speaker 3>They've done target assassinations of nuclear scientists and senior military

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<v Speaker 3>leaders in Iran, and so this is yet another leg

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<v Speaker 3>if you like, of Mossad's general operations against Iran worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran has a defense force, the regular army, navy and

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<v Speaker 1>air force. Then it has the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Core,

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<v Speaker 1>a separate military organization that has its own ground, maritime,

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<v Speaker 1>and air forces, plus an intelligence wing, a volunteer militia,

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<v Speaker 1>and a media outlet. The IRGC's job is to run

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<v Speaker 1>internal security and border security, the coast Guard, and so

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<v Speaker 1>called resistance operations. Overseas and within the IRGC is the

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<v Speaker 1>Kudz Force. It's a bit like the CIA an intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>forward operation, with one main job to support Iran's interests

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<v Speaker 1>in foreign countries. Kutz Force works directly without fits like

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic Jihadan tamas Hesbalah, the Hoofi's in Yemen, and pro

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<v Speaker 1>Iran militias in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Kutz Force

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<v Speaker 1>is ultra powerful because it reports directly to Ayatola Kamana,

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<v Speaker 1>and its very name is a statement of intent. Al

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<v Speaker 1>Kudz is the Arabic name for Jerusalem, which is claimed

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<v Speaker 1>by both Israel and the Palestinian authority as their capital.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranian security structure seems to be like layers of

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<v Speaker 1>an onion. On the outside, of course, you have the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian state, then you've got the Iranian military them Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary Guard Core, going deeper and deeper than Kuds Force.

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<v Speaker 1>Within that and the brigade that this man is alleged

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<v Speaker 1>to be the leader of is something called the eleven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand brigade. Do we know anything about what that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Within the IGC and within Kuds.

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<v Speaker 3>Force, they are hugely powerful and they are the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>non military weapon if you like that Iran has worldwide

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<v Speaker 3>when it tries to export terror, to export its own

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<v Speaker 3>brand of Shiat Muslim theology, and also to try and

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<v Speaker 3>since October seven, twenty twenty three, of course, to really

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<v Speaker 3>ramp up anti Semitic attacks, attacks on Jewish institutions and

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<v Speaker 3>people in the Western world.

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<v Speaker 1>When these attacks happened cam the Adas Israel Synagogue was

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose a success for fire bombing. The synagogue burned

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground and the community was successfully terrorized. The

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<v Speaker 1>attack in Sydney on Lewis's Continental Kitchen seemed to be bungled.

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<v Speaker 1>They first allegedly hit another location that had a similar name,

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<v Speaker 1>then they got this restaurant, but didn't really achieve very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegations before the court suggest that the people who were

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<v Speaker 1>actually carrying out these attacks, according to police, were not

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, we're not talking about James bond here.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it say do you think about the Iranian

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<v Speaker 1>operation allegedly that they were using people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>superspies or ultra criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, that's right. I mean, if you're going to recruit

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<v Speaker 3>local criminals, then you always have the risk of recruiting

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<v Speaker 3>dodos and that does seem to be what they've done here,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And so it's one of the weaknesses really,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Iranians haven't really succeeded in doing an

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<v Speaker 3>awful lot with this program in lots of ways. I mean, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we haven't had lives lost in Australia or

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<v Speaker 3>in fact in the other andries where they're accused of

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<v Speaker 3>doing this as yet. So look, I think there are

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<v Speaker 3>a bit Keystone cops in the way they go about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But nonetheless, you know, it's still extremely there is certainly

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<v Speaker 3>the far bombing of the synagogue in Melbourne absolutely has

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<v Speaker 3>broken the heart of the local Jewish community. That really

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<v Speaker 3>shocked all of Australia. That crime, and in fact that's

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<v Speaker 3>really the crime I think that made the Abanese government

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<v Speaker 3>really wake up when it came to anti Semitism. Before that,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're being a bit sleepy about the issue

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia, but that crime backed by Iran, back both

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<v Speaker 3>with this man so Amah, really woke the government up

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<v Speaker 3>to anti Semitism in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Australian authorities were pretty circumspect and maybe even a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit prickly about the suggestion that Mossad had given them

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<v Speaker 1>this information back in August. Now it's Mossad who's front

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<v Speaker 1>and center, posting on their own social media accounts a

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<v Speaker 1>hierarchy and alleged hierarchy of Kuld's force showing Saddah Amah

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<v Speaker 1>and of course this photograph of him in the skivi

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<v Speaker 1>and the sports jacket. Is this a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>flex by Mossad too? Do you think CAM showing that

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<v Speaker 1>in fact they are the source of all this information

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<v Speaker 1>and they're the ones who are attempting to bring down

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<v Speaker 1>Quids thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Mossad, the revelations by Mossad are a

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<v Speaker 3>broader slap across the face to the Iranian regime. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think Australia figuresn't that at all. The ASIO discovery,

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<v Speaker 3>if you like, of Iran being behind these attacks in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia was very much an ASIO operation. My understanding is

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<v Speaker 3>not true that Mossad handed them that investigation on a

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<v Speaker 3>plate at all. ASIO did it themselves. Where Mossad has

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<v Speaker 3>been useful for RASIO is of course identifying various people

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<v Speaker 3>within the organization. ASIO was aware of Sadarrama, for example.

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<v Speaker 3>But they certainly AZIO was the agency that uncovered the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian links in Australia, not Mossad coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about all the other anti Semitic attacks? That's

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<v Speaker 1>after the break, So cam I think our audience could

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<v Speaker 1>be forgiven for being a little bit confused, and I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly am about which attacks on Australia's Jewish community were

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly done by whom. The most famous one, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is the discovery of a caravan packed with explosives in

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<v Speaker 1>Dural in Sydney. There were fire bombings of private homes,

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<v Speaker 1>including the former home of Jewish Community leader Alex Rifchin.

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<v Speaker 1>What don't we know about what else the IIGC is

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<v Speaker 1>alleged to have been up to. And are we any

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<v Speaker 1>closer to having answers about who masterminded those most prominent

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<v Speaker 1>kind of attacks on the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not Claire, certainly. All we know at the moment

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<v Speaker 3>is that Iran was certainly behind the synagogue bombing and

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<v Speaker 3>the restaurant attack in Sydney. Mike Burgess said that they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at several other incidents in Australia, so that suggests

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<v Speaker 3>there could be or are suspected to be more, but

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<v Speaker 3>we just don't know definitively. And of course a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the antisemitism has been generated within the local community

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<v Speaker 3>by other Australians and so other attacks that we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>will have been conducted by astrands without any ordering from

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<v Speaker 3>other countries like Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Just finally, cam the overseas proxies supported by Kud's force

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<v Speaker 1>have been seriously degraded. Since October seven, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Hesballa has been it would seem pretty comprehensibly dismantled, the

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<v Speaker 1>hoofies have been under attack in Yemen, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas has suffered some pretty serious setbacks in Gaza. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think we can say now about how much

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<v Speaker 1>Iran has been put on the back foot or whether

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<v Speaker 1>Iran is capable of regrouping and coming back stronger than ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Claire, Iran has been seriously diminished strategically in the

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<v Speaker 3>past two years. You know, as you say, hespolar Is

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<v Speaker 3>on its knees, Hamas Is on its knees. The Hooties

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<v Speaker 3>are on their knees. And Aaran has been embarrassed militarily

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<v Speaker 3>by the impotency of its attacks on Israel and the

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<v Speaker 3>success of the US Israel attack on its nuclear facilities around.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a much weaker country than it was. It's

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<v Speaker 3>interesting that it's still promoting this overseas program of exporting

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<v Speaker 3>terror because I think it can do that without being

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<v Speaker 3>penalized in the military fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. You can

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<v Speaker 1>check out all our reporting on this story live now

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<v Speaker 1>at the Australian dot com dot au