1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday October twenty eight, twenty twenty five. Secret squirdle 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: anticks about the government's net zero goals with a fight 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: between the Senate and Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen's department. 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: The bureaucrats will release a hefty brief about the plans, 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: but it'll be heavily redacted. A memoir by former ABC 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: chair itebytros goes deep on her adventures in the media, 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: but iters skipped the most embarrassing chapter of all, the 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: matter of sacked radio presenter Antoinette Latoufe, which costs the 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: ABC a heavy penalty and a heavy dose of public humiliation. 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: So what is in items book? Literary editor Caroline Overington 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: has all the details right now at the Australian dot 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: com dot AU. A grainy photo of a dapper looking gentleman. 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Is this the terrorist who's responsible for striking horror into 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: Australia's Jewish community? Israeli's spy agency Mossad, says a senior 16 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: officer in Iran's ultra elite Kudz force named Sadhah Ahmar 17 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: is the mastermind of two attacks in Sydney and Melbourne. 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: So what is Kuds Force and who is Suddha Amar? 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: That's today's episode. In twenty twenty four, as Australia's Jewish 20 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: community tried to grapple with a rise in anti Semitic 21 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: graffiti and protests and the deplatforming of Jewish artists and creatives, 22 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: things suddenly seemed to kick into another gear. Background. It 23 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: was four o'clock this morning when Lewis's Continental Kitchen caught fire. 24 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: This is on Kerl Lewis Street here in Bondi. Melbourne's 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: Jewish community is in shock after a fire bomb attack 26 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: on one of australias busiest synagogues. 27 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: Worshipers reigned for their lives as a sanctuary built by 28 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: Holocaust survivors sixty years ago was destroyed. 29 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Serious frightening violence. A synagogue burned to the ground, a 30 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Jewish restaurant torch. In august Australia's security boss ASIO Director 31 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: General Mike Burgess said they identified the Iranian state as 32 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: being behind the attacks. 33 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: There is an organized crime element offshore in this that 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: that's not suggested organized crime are doing it. They're just 35 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: using cutouts, including people who are criminal and members of 36 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: organized crime gangs to do their bidding or direct their bidding. 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: Now Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, has come up with 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: a name. A senior officer of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Corps the IIGC named Saddar amar Amar is high up. 40 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: According to Mossad, he reports directly to Smail Kunney, the 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: commander of the ultra elite KULDS force. That means he's 42 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: just two steps down from Iran's supreme leader Ayatola Kmena. 43 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent. Cameron, what 44 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: do we know about this man? 45 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: Well, Claire, we don't know too much about him. We've 46 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: certainly know what he looks like. He's got a black 47 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: skivy and a lovely thorn coach. He looks like the 48 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: essence of a Middle Eastern gentleman. According to the photograph 49 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: that Mosad released, his name is Saddar Ahmah and he 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: is the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps KOD's force. 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: But Mossad, when they made this very unusual statement revealing 52 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: this man to be the leader of this sole operation, 53 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: did not give any further information about Sadda Ama, So 54 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: all we really know is that picture of him and 55 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: his name. 56 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Everything Mosad does, of course is calculated, and presumably releasing 57 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: his picture letting him know that they've identified him and 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: outed him as a basically intelligence or to the world, 59 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: is part of their tactic, right, that's right. 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: I mean, they haven't said exactly why they're releasing it 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: at this point, but they do make as part of 62 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: their statement. Claire Moscat makes the point that the fighting 63 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: of terror includes the knowledge that they're doing things like this, 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: So what they're really saying is a statement public statement 65 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: to the world, we know what you're doing Iran, we 66 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: know you're doing this stuff. We're onto you. Don't be filled. 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: And of course with Mossad, this is just one of 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: many operations that they have done very successfully against Iran. 69 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: They help destroy Hespala in Lebanon with the page of explosions, 70 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: They've done target assassinations of nuclear scientists and senior military 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: leaders in Iran, and so this is yet another leg 72 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: if you like, of Mossad's general operations against Iran worldwide. 73 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Iran has a defense force, the regular army, navy and 74 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: air force. Then it has the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Core, 75 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: a separate military organization that has its own ground, maritime, 76 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: and air forces, plus an intelligence wing, a volunteer militia, 77 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: and a media outlet. The IRGC's job is to run 78 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: internal security and border security, the coast Guard, and so 79 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: called resistance operations. Overseas and within the IRGC is the 80 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Kudz Force. It's a bit like the CIA an intelligence 81 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: forward operation, with one main job to support Iran's interests 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: in foreign countries. Kutz Force works directly without fits like 83 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Islamic Jihadan tamas Hesbalah, the Hoofi's in Yemen, and pro 84 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: Iran militias in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Kutz Force 85 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: is ultra powerful because it reports directly to Ayatola Kamana, 86 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: and its very name is a statement of intent. Al 87 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Kudz is the Arabic name for Jerusalem, which is claimed 88 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: by both Israel and the Palestinian authority as their capital. 89 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: The Iranian security structure seems to be like layers of 90 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: an onion. On the outside, of course, you have the 91 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Iranian state, then you've got the Iranian military them Islamic 92 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard Core, going deeper and deeper than Kuds Force. 93 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Within that and the brigade that this man is alleged 94 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: to be the leader of is something called the eleven 95 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: thousand brigade. Do we know anything about what that is? 96 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Within the IGC and within Kuds. 97 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: Force, they are hugely powerful and they are the biggest 98 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: non military weapon if you like that Iran has worldwide 99 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: when it tries to export terror, to export its own 100 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: brand of Shiat Muslim theology, and also to try and 101 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: since October seven, twenty twenty three, of course, to really 102 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: ramp up anti Semitic attacks, attacks on Jewish institutions and 103 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: people in the Western world. 104 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: When these attacks happened cam the Adas Israel Synagogue was 105 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: I suppose a success for fire bombing. The synagogue burned 106 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: to the ground and the community was successfully terrorized. The 107 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: attack in Sydney on Lewis's Continental Kitchen seemed to be bungled. 108 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: They first allegedly hit another location that had a similar name, 109 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: then they got this restaurant, but didn't really achieve very much. 110 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Allegations before the court suggest that the people who were 111 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: actually carrying out these attacks, according to police, were not 112 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: really you know, we're not talking about James bond here. 113 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: What does it say do you think about the Iranian 114 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: operation allegedly that they were using people who are not 115 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: superspies or ultra criminals. 116 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: Look, that's right. I mean, if you're going to recruit 117 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: local criminals, then you always have the risk of recruiting 118 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: dodos and that does seem to be what they've done here, 119 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, And so it's one of the weaknesses really, 120 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: I mean, the Iranians haven't really succeeded in doing an 121 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: awful lot with this program in lots of ways. I mean, thankfully, 122 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: you know, we haven't had lives lost in Australia or 123 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: in fact in the other andries where they're accused of 124 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: doing this as yet. So look, I think there are 125 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: a bit Keystone cops in the way they go about it. 126 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: But nonetheless, you know, it's still extremely there is certainly 127 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: the far bombing of the synagogue in Melbourne absolutely has 128 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: broken the heart of the local Jewish community. That really 129 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: shocked all of Australia. That crime, and in fact that's 130 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: really the crime I think that made the Abanese government 131 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: really wake up when it came to anti Semitism. Before that, 132 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: I think they're being a bit sleepy about the issue 133 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: in Australia, but that crime backed by Iran, back both 134 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: with this man so Amah, really woke the government up 135 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: to anti Semitism in Australia. 136 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: Australian authorities were pretty circumspect and maybe even a little 137 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: bit prickly about the suggestion that Mossad had given them 138 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: this information back in August. Now it's Mossad who's front 139 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: and center, posting on their own social media accounts a 140 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: hierarchy and alleged hierarchy of Kuld's force showing Saddah Amah 141 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: and of course this photograph of him in the skivi 142 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: and the sports jacket. Is this a bit of a 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: flex by Mossad too? Do you think CAM showing that 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: in fact they are the source of all this information 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: and they're the ones who are attempting to bring down 146 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Quids thoughts. 147 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: I think the Mossad, the revelations by Mossad are a 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: broader slap across the face to the Iranian regime. I 149 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 3: don't think Australia figuresn't that at all. The ASIO discovery, 150 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: if you like, of Iran being behind these attacks in 151 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: Australia was very much an ASIO operation. My understanding is 152 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: not true that Mossad handed them that investigation on a 153 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: plate at all. ASIO did it themselves. Where Mossad has 154 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: been useful for RASIO is of course identifying various people 155 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: within the organization. ASIO was aware of Sadarrama, for example. 156 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: But they certainly AZIO was the agency that uncovered the 157 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: Iranian links in Australia, not Mossad coming up. 158 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: So what about all the other anti Semitic attacks? That's 159 00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: after the break, So cam I think our audience could 160 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: be forgiven for being a little bit confused, and I 161 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: certainly am about which attacks on Australia's Jewish community were 162 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: allegedly done by whom. The most famous one, of course, 163 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: is the discovery of a caravan packed with explosives in 164 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: Dural in Sydney. There were fire bombings of private homes, 165 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: including the former home of Jewish Community leader Alex Rifchin. 166 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: What don't we know about what else the IIGC is 167 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: alleged to have been up to. And are we any 168 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: closer to having answers about who masterminded those most prominent 169 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of attacks on the Jewish community. 170 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: We're not Claire, certainly. All we know at the moment 171 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: is that Iran was certainly behind the synagogue bombing and 172 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: the restaurant attack in Sydney. Mike Burgess said that they're 173 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: looking at several other incidents in Australia, so that suggests 174 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: there could be or are suspected to be more, but 175 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: we just don't know definitively. And of course a lot 176 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: of the antisemitism has been generated within the local community 177 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: by other Australians and so other attacks that we've seen 178 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 3: will have been conducted by astrands without any ordering from 179 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: other countries like Iran. 180 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Just finally, cam the overseas proxies supported by Kud's force 181 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: have been seriously degraded. Since October seven, twenty twenty three, 182 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: Hesballa has been it would seem pretty comprehensibly dismantled, the 183 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: hoofies have been under attack in Yemen, and of course 184 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: Hamas has suffered some pretty serious setbacks in Gaza. What 185 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: do you think we can say now about how much 186 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Iran has been put on the back foot or whether 187 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: Iran is capable of regrouping and coming back stronger than ever. 188 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: Well, Claire, Iran has been seriously diminished strategically in the 189 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: past two years. You know, as you say, hespolar Is 190 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: on its knees, Hamas Is on its knees. The Hooties 191 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: are on their knees. And Aaran has been embarrassed militarily 192 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: by the impotency of its attacks on Israel and the 193 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: success of the US Israel attack on its nuclear facilities around. 194 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: This is a much weaker country than it was. It's 195 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: interesting that it's still promoting this overseas program of exporting 196 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: terror because I think it can do that without being 197 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: penalized in the military fashion. 198 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. 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