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Speaker 1: And welcome to the two hundred and ninety ninth installment

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Speaker 1: of this your Favorite podcast. He says that with some

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Speaker 1: sense of confidence, not knowing at all that you project hullo, Melissa, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, Happy Wednesday to you champion. Have you had

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Speaker 1: a great day? I have had a great day so far.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I think our day sorry for that. I

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Speaker 1: think our day's about to get a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: What why has your day been good so far? What

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Speaker 1: have you done? Because I know you're a box ticker,

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Speaker 1: you're a list doer, you love your very type A.

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Speaker 1: You push the button before you finished wing? Or is

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Speaker 1: that just me? What's been the what's been the pinnacle

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Speaker 1: so far? Well, actually it's got to do with this episode,

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Speaker 1: because you sent me a video earlier of our guests

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Speaker 1: and it was fascinating. I did, Yeah, I watched the

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Speaker 1: whole thing because it was so interesting. I normally do

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Speaker 1: I normally don't. I've never done that, in fact before,

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Speaker 1: because you don't really need to do too much research

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Speaker 1: on our guests, because you don't need to ask too

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Speaker 1: many questions. But as I say, you can be as

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Speaker 1: evolved or uninvolved as you want. But I watched so

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Speaker 1: last night, I went, I'm going to have a look

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Speaker 1: at this dude, and he's because Russ, one of our

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Speaker 1: mutual friends, told me listen to the podcast and went,

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Speaker 1: so I had to listen. That was great, and I went,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have a look at it. He did

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Speaker 1: a ted talk and then look at that, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: well that was good. And then I'm just had a

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Speaker 1: look at a few others. And then this morning I

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Speaker 1: woke up at six ish and which is about nine

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Speaker 1: hours after Dnash gets up, and I watched I don't

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Speaker 1: know who produced it, he'll tell me in a moment,

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Speaker 1: but it was about a half hour VID, which well

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Speaker 1: will pass on to you folks. It is really, really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: And I knew that once because you're busy, like you've

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Speaker 1: got no free time, and I sent this to you

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Speaker 1: and I said, because it's thirty odd minutes, I said,

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Speaker 1: just watch ten twelve minutes so you get a sense

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Speaker 1: of who we're chatting with. And I knew that once

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Speaker 1: you watched it, you wouldn't you wouldn't stop, and you

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Speaker 1: watch the whole thing, didn't you. Yeah, you can't just

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Speaker 1: watch ten twelve minutes of that, like imriguing You've got

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Speaker 1: to watch the whole thing. I know. It's like, here,

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Speaker 1: just have a bite of this cheesecake. Just you don't

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Speaker 1: have to have the whole piece. I'm like, God, give

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Speaker 1: me the whole piece.

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Speaker 2: Which video this was?

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Speaker 1: What's the hat?

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Speaker 2: Now I'm concerned about which video this was?

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Speaker 1: It was one of you at that swinger's party with

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Speaker 1: the cocaine and the plastic sheets. That one.

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Speaker 2: See. I knew you didn't come back to bite me.

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Speaker 1: I knew, well, there it is. There it is, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's what happens. Hey, you're not on yet. Just wait now.

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Speaker 1: Our guest name is Denise Palapana Palipanna. He is this

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Speaker 1: is There's way too much stuff and I'm terrible in

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Speaker 1: intros when I read things, so I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: read too much. But born in Sri Lanka nine eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Here's a doctor, he's a lawyer. Here's a disability the advocate.

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Speaker 1: He's the first quadriplegic medical intern. He was in Queensland,

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Speaker 1: second one in Australia, second person with quadriplegia to graduate

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Speaker 1: as a doctor in Australia, and the first wispinal cord injury.

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Speaker 1: There's just way too much stuff. He's been on the

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Speaker 1: ABC Radio, ABC TV, BBC, The Today Show, Vice Magazine.

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Speaker 1: He's got a Medal of the Order of Australia for

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Speaker 1: Service to Medicine Junior Doctor of the Year at Gold

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Speaker 1: Coast University. His actual do you know why? I know? Now?

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Speaker 1: Denesse Versusly, Hello, my friend, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, I'm having a beautiful morning in the gold

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Speaker 2: Course once afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Now of course you are, now, I want to I

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Speaker 1: bet you've never been asked this question before. This is

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Speaker 1: a question you've never been asked in an interview. Did

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Speaker 1: you write or contribute to your own Wikipedia page.

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Speaker 2: I've had a look at it. I've had to look

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Speaker 1: I tell you why, because whoever wrote it is clearly

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Speaker 1: an academic Melissa, do you know why why? Because there's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eight citations? I'm like, who wrote this?

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Speaker 2: I was at a job interview last year and that

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Speaker 1: It is very well referenced and it is very thorough.

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Speaker 1: So mate, where so you're based on the Gold Coast, yes,

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Speaker 1: and you work at Gold Coast Hospital, Yeah, and you also,

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Speaker 1: we would love you to do that. We don't need

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Speaker 1: to go in any particular direction. But so the quick snapshot,

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Speaker 1: everybody correct me if I'm wrong, is you were twenty

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Speaker 1: that while we're thinking about can I ever be a doctor?

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Speaker 1: with that? Did you go? Hang? What was that about?

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Speaker 2: You know that there was a that was a really

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Speaker 2: interesting process for me. And yesterday someone asked me, did

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Speaker 2: you ever get depressed after the accident? And I don't

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Speaker 2: think I actually, you know, I don't think I felt

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I was extremely depressed after the accident.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think depression and whatever what,

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Speaker 2: there's a very scientific components to it, for sure. But

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Speaker 2: And you know, it was really hard going through that period.

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Speaker 2: It was probably actually one of the hardest things I've

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Speaker 2: and I think when you're a prisoner of your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how when we find our thing, oh our

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Speaker 1: you know, all these cliches get chucked around, but our

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Speaker 1: to all these things. But almost illogically, it's like your life.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there are things about your life that

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Speaker 2: pressure points that you get. If there's prolonged pressure, your

431
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: skin just starts to break down. Then you get a wound.

432
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: So I've got a very superficient woden at the moment

433
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: that we need to get under control. So you do

434
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: the skin check, you dress that, and then you start

435
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: to get you know, put your clothing on, whatever else.

436
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: I wear a brace around my belly because my lung function.

437
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't have any lung excellent muscles to support that

438
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: lung function. So it helps me breathe, It helps me

439
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: maintain good blood pressure, and it helps me sit upright.

440
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: And it also helps helps me speak because when I

441
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: first had the accident, I couldn't speak a full sentence

442
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: like I am now wow. It took a while to

443
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: get that going again. So that supports all that. So

444
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: we put the brace on, we put the shorts on,

445
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: and that that involves a lot of rolling back and

446
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: forth and get up, put the shirt on, and you know,

447
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty vain guy. I like to look as

448
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: good as I can, So do the hair, to do

449
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: the moisturized daily, all that other junk, and then we

450
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 2: get out the door. So I go to work and

451
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: the shifts, you know, I get to work. So typically,

452
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: you know, the eaty has been pretty good in that

453
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: they put they've started putting me on evening and night

454
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: shifts just so I don't have to get up at

455
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: four am as much. Oh god, because my boss actually

456
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: so one of those videos that I don't know you're

457
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: getting up at four to get to work. We could

458
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: just put you on more evening shifts if you like.

459
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, yeah, I mean they'll be helpful

460
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: so that they're being awesome. And so I generally start

461
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: work at one pm or ten pm if I'm doing

462
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: a night shift, and then I'll get home at about

463
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Speaker 2: anywhere between. It varies. I'll get anywhere in between eleven

464
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: thirty pm. Just sometimes, you know, the latest would be

465
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: like one ish. If something's significantly dragging on, then the

466
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: bed process will take an hour or two. Grab some dinner,

467
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: get some sleep, start the press again.

468
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Man, man, now feel guilty for taking your time, dude,

469
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, so yeah, I'm honest. Oh dude, we are.

470
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: So you're in You work in the emergency department at

471
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Gold Coast Hospital. Is that correct? And how are people

472
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: when the bloke in the wheelchair rocks up and goes

473
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: But I'm the doctor, you.

474
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: Know that's a.

475
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

476
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: The Gold Coast ed is actually well it was, at

477
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: least in twenty eighteen and maybe twenty nineteen, the busiest

478
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: eat in the country. It's it is a really interesting

479
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: place to work. But so I've been a doctor now

480
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: for nearly five years, or coming up to my fifth year,

481
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: and in all those years and my years as a

482
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: medical student, not one patient has looked at that as

483
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: a weird thing. In fact, I don't even know if

484
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: some notice it, because it's just such an all interaction.

485
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if it's anything out of the ordinary, I

487
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: mean sure people might be thinking, oh, they might think, wow,

488
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: it's goin a wheelchair. But the out of the ordinary

489
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: interactions that I've had have been really positive. I remember

490
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: seeing this patient who had a significant physical challenge themselves

491
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: and when I after, after I saw them, they said,

492
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: you know, I was so glad that you came to

493
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: my bedside because I knew you'd understand what I was

494
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: going through. And I've I've talked with parents whose kids

495
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: have been significantly injured or going through things, and they

496
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: just said that it gave them a lot of hope

497
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: to then see someone coming out of that recurring. So,

498
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, I think the medical care is one aspect

499
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: of it and I try to be the best doctor

500
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: as I can, but I think it's what you it's

501
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: the other stuff that you do with people. And there

502
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: was a doctor, you know, I who sadly passed away,

503
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: but I think he likes to quote it was Maya

504
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: Angelou who said, people remember how you made them feel

505
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: mm hmm, and that's what they're left.

506
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: So it's so true, and it's really easy in some professions,

507
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: and medicine is one where you know, at the end

508
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: of the day, at the end of the day, every patient,

509
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: of course is a human with emotions and feelings and

510
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: challenges and personality, and every doctor and every nurse and

511
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: every person in that setting is also has brings all

512
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: their own stuff to every moment in time.

513
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: And I think it's really easy to get desensitized when

514
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: you do a lot of stuff in understress with a

515
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: lot of humans with a lot of problems, and so

516
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: for you to actually be there in that moment and

517
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: be fully present.

518
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: Which you know, the stuff I've seen of you sitting

519
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: with patients on the videos I've watched, and I can

520
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: imagine because I think I get a bit of an

521
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: idea about how you are. But yeah, you bring all

522
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: your knowledge and skills and medical brain to the table,

523
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, which is a necessity. But

524
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: then on top of that, when you bring empathy and

525
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: awareness and kindness and presence where I'm actually here and

526
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you and I present, I'm not thinking about

527
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: my lunch, I'm not looking at my watch, I'm not

528
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm not in a hurry. You know, that's such a

529
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: gift to people. And you know, I think that's when

530
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: people love their doctor. That's what they love about their doctor.

531
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: What they love about their doctor is how that doctor

532
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: makes them feel or how they how connected they feel

533
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: to that person. Of course, you're want someone with knowledge

534
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: and skills, but that's a given. But you know, so

535
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: that's Do you think that just to me doing a

536
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: bloody monologue, shut up, ups. Do you think that pre accident,

537
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: post accident, your level of empathy changed?

538
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think pre accident, you don't know, I was

539
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: never a patient, like I mean, I told you about

540
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: the depression and all those things, but I was never

541
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: a patient in a hospital going through this type of experience,

542
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: so I didn't understand what it was like. And I

543
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: had this really crystallizing moment about this because there was

544
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: this guy who gave us a lecture once before that accident,

545
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: and he was an emergency physician who worked with Queensland Ambulance.

546
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: I looked at his lecture, I'm like, fire, this guy

547
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: is awesome. I want to I want to be like

548
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, I want to do what he's doing and

549
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: whatever else. And then he happened to be in the

550
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: ambulance when I had that accident.

551
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh one of the trances.

552
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

553
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

554
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: So the thing though about that is, you know, I

555
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: knew I was a doctor, I knew all that was

556
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: under control. But it's now ten years later and I

557
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: remember how he made me feel hmm, and that has

558
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: informed how I try to with my patients. And imagine

559
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: making that impact on someone where they remember it ten

560
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: years later, that's that. I think that's pretty powerful. I

561
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: was within for maybe fifteen, twenty, maybe thirty minutes, and

562
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: he made that impact on me, which has been life

563
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: probably gonna be lifelong, and has a flow and effect

564
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: to my own patients.

565
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible when you maybe can't even remember what

566
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: someone said specifically or the specifics of that moment in time,

567
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: but you just feel that being around that person had

568
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: an energetic impact on you and an emotional and a

569
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: psychological I like in a really positive way. But don't

570
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you think that Melissa too, that there are people that

571
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: and you don't even know why there are people that.

572
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: It's just there's something about their energy where you like

573
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: being around that person definitely, you know. And then there

574
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: are other people converts sleep and you go, oh boy, oh,

575
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: this is a struggle. I try not to be the latter.

576
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure sometimes I am unless I apologize. I apologize.

577
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: So so you so you finished law mate, and you

578
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of went not for the moment, and but you

579
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. You went back with not recently,

580
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: not went back, but you qualified as a lawyer recently.

581
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Is that right?

582
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have to do that when you finish

583
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: your law degree. There's you get the law degree, but

584
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: there's a process. We have to be admitted as a

585
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: lawyer and then you do some coursework and work experience

586
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. Once you take that off,

587
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: you get to turn up at the court and you know,

588
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: they get to sign the role of lawyers. And I

589
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: did that recently, and really the idea behind that was

590
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: to inform some of that advocacy work and inclusivity stuff

591
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: that I've been doing. So that that was a nice moment.

592
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Now, I know that when you came out of when

593
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: you finished your degree and you got your cap and

594
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: your gown and thumbs up and high fives and you

595
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: know all that stuff, that that the challenges didn't stop. Then,

596
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about getting an actual job,

597
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: because that was not that was not smooth sailing. Give

598
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: us tell us a little bit about how that went down,

599
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, what happened.

600
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't a huge it wasn't a smooth sailing,

601
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: and it was a very frustrating experience because I did

602
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: well in medical school. I spent time in the hospital

603
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: as a student. I proved myself as much as I could.

604
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: I given spend some time at the Harvard Medical School

605
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: and you did well there. So did all that stuff

606
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 2: and had letters of recommendation from doctors and whatever else.

607
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: So when you graduate as a doctor in Australia, you

608
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: you you're guaranteed a job if you're a domestic student

609
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: and you put your name into this ballot and you

610
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: put down where you want to work, and then you're

611
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: the ballot system sort of. You know, get you a job.

612
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: But I've just got a letter saying that, hey, you've

613
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: got you you know, because of your spine cort injury,

614
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: we need to take your name out of the ballot

615
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: more consider it separately. But this just turned into this massive,

616
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: long process and they wouldn't really tell me what what

617
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: this what the details of this process was. They all

618
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: these delays. They wanted me to get medical medical reports,

619
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: and I got registration as well, so I've got registration

620
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: whatever else I mean, then there were saying, you know,

621
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to start work with your with

622
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: your colleagues, and so it took a lot of advocacine.

623
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: It took a lot of support as well, you know,

624
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: from the community, from the media, from other doctors and

625
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: some politicians as well. Like it took a lot of

626
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: work and advocacy to get the job initially and even

627
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: since then, like in twenty eighteen, I was called coos

628
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Helts Junior Doctor of the Year. But even after that,

629
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: I've you know, it's become a lot smooth sailing. Like

630
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: I work in the ED and it's a great team

631
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: and a great set of bosses that I work on it.

632
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: But along the way I've still had some challenges where

633
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, no matter how hard you work and no

634
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: matter how well you try to do, the people still

635
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: ask questions. So I had a few bumps along the way,

636
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: but I think now now I'm in a great spots

637
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: and work works going smoothly. But it certainly took a

638
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: lot of fighting to get here. But it's been worth it,

639
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: you know. Like like I said, it's worth it for

640
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: the patients. It's worth it for the people that I

641
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: get to do things for, even though they're establishment wasn't

642
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: as supportive.

643
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: So here's my red herring question from left field. Do

644
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: you have Is there a spiritual component to who you

645
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: are and how you are? And if so, what does

646
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: that look like you?

647
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: If I had to put a label on it, I

648
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: would say that I'm agnostic, but I often think about things,

649
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, like I often think about I think I'm

650
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: still trying to find meaning in that whether there's something

651
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: larger than me. But what gets me through is just

652
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: trying to be a good person, you know, And it's

653
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: really it's just the basics. Like you know, I was

654
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: still going to have a friend the other week and

655
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: she said, oh, you can tell a white life, like

656
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: a white life is still a lie, right, So it's

657
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: just about those basic qualities. And I'm trying to always

658
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: try to make sure that a person of integrity, that

659
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm always giving back and I'm always trying to do

660
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: good for the world, because I think that that's important. Spiritually,

661
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: I think it's it's still a search because I also

662
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: don't want to do something, you know, whether it be

663
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: like a formalized faith system or whether it's something I

664
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: don't want to do something just because to do it,

665
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: like I really want to feel it, you know, if I.

666
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Was that And I think one of that, sorry, I

667
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: think one of the compromises of I'm not saying people

668
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't be religious or they and belong to a faith

669
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: or a church or a synagogue or a fill in

670
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: the blank, but is that once you belong to that,

671
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: then you kind of have to align on everything because

672
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: you go, I'm a I practice this, you know, and

673
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: then there's an element of freedom of thinking that goes

674
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: out the window, because you know, your ideology and philosophy

675
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: and thought process need to align with that particular theology

676
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: or philosophy or way of being. I guess, but yeah,

677
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: it's it just interested me because I think when I

678
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: was training you might find this interesting. But I was

679
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: training a year ago and a year ago and a

680
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: week with my training partner. So it was literally about,

681
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, fifty three weeks ago. I was in the

682
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: gym with my training partner, who's cutlety, is younger than me,

683
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: very fit, very strong, very lean, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke,

684
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle, all that stuff. Did a set of thirty

685
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: chin ups the neesh, and because he's a journeyus, he

686
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: held his breath the whole time. So held his breath

687
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: for thirty chins, came down, had a cardiac arrest. Yeah,

688
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: dude died on the gym floor. Dead. They're dead dead.

689
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: So I started working on him, you know, straight instantly,

690
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Like there's like twenty seconds maybe within from when he exhaled,

691
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: and you know, it was a bit there's a few

692
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: things going on that we won't go into, but so

693
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: I started working on him, and he was The paramedics

694
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: got their ten minutes later, and he was dead for

695
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. But it's just interesting how people go like

696
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: when anyway, he's fine, now he's got a pacemaker, and

697
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: they don't even know why because he didn't have a

698
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: heart attack. He just arrested, and I think it could

699
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: have been. He also had before training this progressing from

700
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: your story, sorry but you might find it interesting. But

701
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: before he trained, So this is the guy that doesn't drink,

702
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: doesn't do drugs, all this, he used to have this

703
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: pre workout kind of you know how some of the

704
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: the groovers have pre workout stuff, right. And I looked

705
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: at it, and he had a double dose. And I

706
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: did the I did the calculations, and my best guess

707
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: is and remember it's in about I don't know, one

708
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: hundred mil of liquid, about the same as ten coffees.

709
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: So that's insane.

710
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, he's fifty three or whatever,

711
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: fifty two, a moron, a lovable moron, but a moron.

712
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: He's having ten coffees or the equivalent in one hundred

713
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: mil of liquid and then holding his breath for thirty reps.

714
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, wonder you died, You fuck an idiot,

715
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: And thank goodness you didn't do that when you're at

716
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: home working under the car or something, you know. So,

717
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: but it's funny because in that moment he Some people

718
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: have these really life changing encounters or moments or and

719
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, it's like when to sleep for half

720
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: an hour whatever. Absolutely, the people that you've worked with

721
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: that have had you know, I just watched this weird

722
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: show called The OA two seasons on Netflix. Don't watch

723
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: it anyone, but it's a whole show about near death

724
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: experiences and interdimensional travel. Clearly, I've got too much time

725
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: on my hands, and this is why I'm struggling with

726
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: my research. That just came to me. But anyway, you know,

727
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: the people. Do you have much of this around people

728
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: who have died or nearly died, or where there's some awakening,

729
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: some big moment or revelation or spiritual wake up.

730
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: See working in the ED.

731
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting yeah, because you're not with it

732
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: that long out.

733
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: But I think I've certainly had some thoughts because after

734
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: this spine courting drug, the initial phases of such an injury,

735
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: it's involved in so many complications. So I've been in

736
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: the ICU a couple of times and I've been very,

737
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: very sick from it. And those moments really do those

738
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: moments really do make you think about life again a

739
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: bit more and make you I think it's about going

740
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: back to the basics, right and then doing that. But

741
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: it's up. Certainly. There was a one time where I

742
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: had an issue with my lung and they thought that

743
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: it was cancer initially and waiting for that result, and

744
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: you're just sitting there and going, oh my gosh, if yeah,

745
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: please let this not be cancer and I will live

746
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: an amazing life. Yes, So you do have those moments

747
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: where things you start to think about things different, or

748
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 2: you kind of reground yourself.

749
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: And did you do you ever think who am I

750
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: saying please to?

751
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Exactly?

752
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: To whom is this? To? Whom is this person that

753
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm requesting this from? Yeah, I think that's Tom Cruise,

754
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Oprah Cruise. Definitely not Tom Cruise. Mate. Tell us about

755
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: as I went through your series of interviews and you know,

756
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: jumping from podcasts to videos and things. So you've you've

757
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: got a partner, now, you've got a fiance. Now tell

758
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: us about her relationships.

759
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's another challenging thing, and I was I

760
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: was thinking about this yesterday. I'm still in someone because

761
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: it's not a it's not normal you know, inverted comments,

762
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: it's not a normal thing. Like I can't I don't

763
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: do some of the normal things like dance or hold

764
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: hands and walk on the beach, for example, or whatever else.

765
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: So it's it's very different. But I think you also

766
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: start to realize maybe normal isn't so important, you know,

767
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's about building a deeper connection and it's

768
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: more about I think you start to value the fundamentals

769
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: a bit more about that, like even physically, you know,

770
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: and how long does that physical thing ask in a normal?

771
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: And also and also what's normal? Dude, Like let's get

772
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: let's get weird and philosophicalor what's normal? Normal is completely

773
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: subjective because my normal would be your complete fucking madness.

774
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Your your normal would be my completely weird. Melissa's normal,

775
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: Let's not even go there, because she's a whole project, right.

776
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: That's she looks like Mary Poppins. It's a facade.

777
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: Mary Proppins was probably freaky behind the scenes.

778
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: She got crazy. Don't worry about that. But so has

779
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: it been interesting for you too?

780
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: You know?

781
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: And as much or as little as you want to share,

782
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: but I'm just talking about general relationship stuff. Has that

783
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: been an interesting challenge? Navigating how do we do this?

784
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: How do we do life together? How do we do relationship?

785
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: How do we do marriage? How is that going to

786
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: practically work? And yeah, we won't be walking on the

787
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: beach anytime soon holding hands or dancing or you know,

788
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: ten pin bowling.

789
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is. And I was very reluctant to

790
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: get into it actually, so for you know, ten years,

791
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: I didn't really need anyone or engage in that. Of

792
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: that is because I was, you know, consumed in my

793
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: own things otherwise, but part of that is because I

794
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: was thinking, how do I do this? Do I want

795
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: to do it? Like what will it look like? And

796
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: I guess the other aspect of that is I always

797
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: have a lot of people in my close proximity, whether

798
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: it be you know, my mom or my the boys

799
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: that helped me out, whatever else. So a lot of

800
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: it is very visible now, so that adds another dimension

801
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: to the relationship. But I think you just take it

802
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: one step at a time and and I think a

803
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: lot of it is also in your own head. It

804
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: was in my own head. You know, you're scared about

805
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 2: a lot of things, You fear a lot of things,

806
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: but then they're like, oh hey, actually this is okay

807
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: and it works. So relationships were like that, but it's

808
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: definitely not straightforward, and I think that's OK.

809
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Melissa, you watched the docco that I sent you. How

810
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: much do you love? How much do you love Danesha's mom? Ah,

811
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: she's gorgeous. Can you tell us maybe a bit about

812
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: that relationship that you have with her because she seems

813
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: so special.

814
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's an incredible woman. And you know, she's been

815
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: a big part of my life since I was a kid.

816
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: She's always been one that taught me that anything is possible.

817
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: And other people around me when I was growing up.

818
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 2: You know, I remember this conversation once where I wonder

819
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: if I could be an astronaut and the responsors all, no,

820
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: being an astronauts really hard, and only a couple of

821
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: people get to that point, and you know, like that

822
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: sort of response, and you do. I think you do

823
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: so much damaged at kids thinking back, but it's really

824
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: not what we need today. We need kids to be

825
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: able to feel that they can do anything, be anything.

826
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: So my mom was actually fortunately the opposite of that,

827
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: and she always encouraged me to She helped me start

828
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: my own business when I was in high school. I

829
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: got flying lessons when I was in high school, she

830
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: taught me how to drive She told me how to shave,

831
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: She taught me how to do all this stuff, taught me,

832
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: you know, how to look after my bank account, all that,

833
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: and all these ideas like medical school, being a lawyer

834
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: like she's she's made a big influence and even today,

835
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, my dad, their marriage didn't survive this accident,

836
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: but she's been there every single day. I'm taking this

837
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: journey with me, So we're really close and it's just

838
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: a different relationship and I'm very grateful to have her

839
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: in mamma, and it's just been an awesome thing, you know.

840
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: But I guess that's another thing that it adds another

841
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: unique dimension to another interpersonal relationship, because there's that as

842
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: well amazing.

843
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. I love my mom a lot. Your Mum's right.

844
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: I brag about my mum and I saw your mom

845
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: and I went, Mary, you've got some competition. Because bloody Belta.

846
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: Where are we at for time? Melessa, We're about fifty

847
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: five minutes in, all right, let's start to wind up.

848
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: May tell us a little bit about doctors with disabilities Australia.

849
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: That came about from you know, it was the issues

850
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: that I had going through employment and there were some

851
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: barriers that would put up for medical students with disabilities

852
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: after it came back from me well as well. So

853
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Australia had this national policy that specified different physical capabilities

854
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: that a medical student should have very explicitly and some

855
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: even some interpersonal things, and it would have excluded me

856
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: as a medical student if that was applied. So we

857
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: me and this guy called Harry Emon, who is a

858
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: guy a person preceded me. He got Gillan Barre syndrome

859
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: and he was in medical school and used a wheelchair.

860
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: And Hannah Jackson who's a GP in Tasmania. She has osteogenesism.

861
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: Perfecto music will just so we got together and said,

862
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: you know what, we need to start changing some of

863
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: these things and sharing our experiences with people who want

864
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: to navigate this maze that we have. That's how it

865
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: came about, and it's been an awesome journey because those

866
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: policies are being rewritten. Now we've done We've managed to

867
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: chieve quite a few things in Australia around making medicine

868
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: more inclusive. So it's been a really cool journey. Now

869
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: we're looking at jeez, what's next.

870
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: I saw you in one of the videos with some

871
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: some Italian research dude who look like a bit of

872
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: a journey us also putting some weird looking thing on

873
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: your head which looked like a helmet with a bunch

874
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: of wires and stuff. And you're on a bike and

875
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: he is, and you are I think involved in some capacity.

876
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm fucking this up, so correct me. But with are

877
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: they're looking at technology now that will kind of almost

878
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: the electrical impulses will bypass the injury site to innovate

879
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: the muscles to be able to walk or ride or like.

880
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Is that what they're looking at.

881
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a bunch of studies going on in

882
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: that area. The cool thing is we found there's so

883
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: in about in or around twenty thirteen, there was a

884
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: study in some rats or mice in Switzerland and they

885
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: used electrical stimulation and drug therapy in mice with spinal

886
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: cord injury, and using those therapies and after training them

887
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 2: to walk again, these mice were able to voluntarily move

888
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: their hind limbs again. After me, wow, So then they

889
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: did autopsy on these mice and they found that after

890
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: the lesion that they caused in the spinal cord injury,

891
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: new neurons had grown back, so the board had pickened

892
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: out again by about twenty five percent. So this is

893
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: really exciting. And they've applied some of these therapies to

894
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: humans with electrical stimulation drugs and also thought control using EG,

895
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: which is what we're doing. So we put all these

896
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: things together. In early human trials, they're found that the

897
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: people are able to voluntarily move their things again for

898
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: the first time in history. So it is happening. It's

899
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 2: been shown to be possible, and we're building all this

900
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: science here. So that's my that's what I do outside

901
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: of clinical work, and you know, a part of that

902
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: is actually engaging the mind and train you know, because

903
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: with traditional rehab, people aren't actually engaged. They're not thinking

904
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: about walking, they're not thinking that, but here you're forced

905
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: to do that. And the drug therapy is actually an

906
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: anti anxiety drug that's been around for ages. That's what's

907
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: been used in a lot of these trials, and we

908
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, the hypothesis is that because if you use antidepressant,

909
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't really work that well without psychotherapy, right, you

910
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: need and that's that's probably that's a training mechanism. So

911
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: these drugs probably prime the nervous system for change and

912
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: then you have to train it to change. So that's

913
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: what we're doing and it's really exciting. We've got two

914
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: million dollars from the Murtor Accident Insurance Commission the Queensland

915
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Government late last year and we're just plowing on with

916
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: this work. And you know, I want to stand.

917
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: Again one day.

918
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: The last thing I did standing up voluntarily, the very

919
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: last thing was hug my mom. Wow, And that was

920
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: a super cool thing. I'm glad I did that. So

921
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: who was listening, Guys, Hug your mom, Hug whoever you

922
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: love every day. You never know it might be the

923
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: last thing that you do. And I want to do

924
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: that again.

925
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Well that'll be the first thing you do when you

926
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: stand next time. Now, I definitely don't make me crime

927
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: on podcast. I'll have to come up and kick you

928
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: in the fucking wheelchair. You would, Yeah, of course I would.

929
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm heartless.

930
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Tell us if people want to connect with you or

931
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: I know who's done in undating with a million questions

932
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: and all that, But if people want you, are you

933
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: available for speaking gigs and all that kind of stuff

934
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: for what's the deal? Or if people want to follow

935
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: you on social media? Or how does that work?

936
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: So I have no social media except LinkedIn, so call

937
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: me on LinkedIn. I'm also I think on the Griffith

938
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: University website you should be able to contact me as well,

939
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: so I feel free to get in touch, love to chat, yeah,

940
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: and moreays available to talk about any cool things that

941
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: you want to do.

942
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: Well. You are an inspiring human and I don't say

943
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: that lightly. You're amazing, and I'm sure we can't but

944
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: if there's anything we can do in our tiny, humble

945
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: little podcast down here to support you, or if you

946
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: know we can my my family of listeners can support

947
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: you or help you or help our cause in some way,

948
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: let us know and hopefully we can have you back

949
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: again and go deeper on a few things. But we

950
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time today, mate.

951
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having me and vice versa. If

952
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: that can be of help to you or any of

953
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: your listeners, reach.

954
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: Out, stop it stopp being such a good human now.

955
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: I feel you're amazing. Listen, do you want to say

956
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: goodbye to our friends? Stay on the call, mate, We'll

957
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: talk to you once we're done.

958
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Denesh.

959
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: That was absolutely fascinating, So thank you so much for

960
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: taking the time. We really do appreciate it. Thanks for

961
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: having me guys, Thanks mate, Thanks everyone, Love you, Gut

962
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: to see you next time.