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Speaker 1: The experts with Jason Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Your vessel specialists who specialize in very special things.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm George GOLDBN.

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Speaker 2: My area of expertise is providing adult services for women.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from the expert.

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Speaker 5: George.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, George.

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 5: I've booked you for Lauren today. Lauren, I've booked you. George.

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Speaker 1: Nice to me and you better.

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Speaker 4: I think you're engaged.

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Speaker 1: I am engaged, but I don't stop some people.

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Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't stop some people that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Do you care your clients engaged marriage scene?

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Speaker 2: No, it's their business, so I'll leave that up to them.

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Speaker 2: And there's coming to see me for a reason and

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Speaker 2: whatever that may be.

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Speaker 4: So No, it doesn't. It doesn't affect whether or not

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Speaker 4: I will see you.

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Speaker 1: Don't ask questions.

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Speaker 3: I don't So when you have a client, do you

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Speaker 3: ask about their personal life or it's just strictly business.

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Speaker 2: No. I do like to get a bit of their background.

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Speaker 2: It helps me to understand what it is that they're

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Speaker 2: after and preps how I can make it a great

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Speaker 2: experience for them. And some of that does include them

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Speaker 2: telling me about their personal background.

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Speaker 4: It all about sex, absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: No, that's what I was going to say. I've watched

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Speaker 5: Juice Bigelow.

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Speaker 1: Is that where he blunds the Goldfish?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's the.

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Speaker 2: Only Have you watched that movie, George? I not goldfish

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Speaker 2: are involved in.

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Speaker 5: But it's it's a big business just for people that

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Speaker 5: want company, isn't it? Yes? It is.

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Speaker 2: And look, probably a better movie to watch is one

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Speaker 2: called Good Luck to You Leah Grand that featured Emma

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Speaker 2: Thompson as an older woman seeking the services of a

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Speaker 2: younger man.

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Speaker 1: Thompson, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: A terrific movie, and it really highlights the importance of

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Speaker 2: her feeling sexy again and leaning into her her age

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Speaker 2: and maturity and the company. That's what's what is really

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Speaker 2: the most important part.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So to simplify it, because I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people would hear escort and go oh no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no no. What does act do? What is the job?

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Speaker 3: What is what is entail?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, sex is a big part of it for

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Speaker 2: most clients, but then there are others who just want

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Speaker 2: to feel confident and sexy again. So that can be

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Speaker 2: someone who's just showing them some affection. So, for instance,

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Speaker 2: I've had dates where they might go for four hours

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Speaker 2: and we just go on a long drive, we go

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Speaker 2: to a winery, check out some art, and it's just

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Speaker 2: the company because so many women have not been touched

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Speaker 2: or held for many years, and they might have had

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Speaker 2: a partner who's passed away or just lonely and just

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Speaker 2: don't get that type of affection, and they can't get

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Speaker 2: that type of affection anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: Really, right when you're on the trost, it's not as

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Speaker 3: slazy as it so like there is a stigma around

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Speaker 3: me and escort is a sleazy job.

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Speaker 4: Look far from it. I'm a professional.

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Speaker 2: I've worked in the corporate sector for some thirty years,

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Speaker 2: and I do this because I have an absolute love

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Speaker 2: for women and respect for women. So I bring my

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Speaker 2: personality to it, and there's nothing sleaze.

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Speaker 5: About what I do.

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Speaker 4: I can guarantee that.

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Speaker 5: When you're out on a wine date or just going

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Speaker 5: for a nice drive because you're on the clock, to

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Speaker 5: try and get lost just to run up the bill.

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Speaker 5: Cab drivers do that to me.

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Speaker 1: Oh take it a long way.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm all about being professional, doing

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Speaker 2: the right thing, because you know, you're only as good

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Speaker 5: Exactly. George how'd you get into it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was made redundant from my professional job about

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Speaker 2: a year ago.

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Speaker 1: This could have been you, Jason at the end of us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we got the ass last year George, So I heard. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I didn't even think of this as an option. I

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Speaker 4: To get back to George.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, George. How did you get into it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was a year ago I started up.

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Speaker 4: But to be.

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Speaker 2: Honest, I've been thinking about it for around ten years

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Speaker 2: because for the last ten years or so, I've.

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Speaker 4: Been dating a lot.

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Speaker 2: I've been single, really enjoying meeting women and the company

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Speaker 2: of them, learning new things. So when I got made redundant,

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Speaker 2: I heard about a couple of male escorts and I thought, look,

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Speaker 2: maybe now's the time. So I had a photo shoot,

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Speaker 2: did a website, put myself out there and what.

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Speaker 5: Did you make?

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Speaker 1: Sorry question again, sry What did.

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Speaker 5: Your mate say? Did you talk family about it? And

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing you obviously didn't have a partner at this point.

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Speaker 4: No, no, partner, still don't.

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Speaker 2: My family and friends were really cool about it, and

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Speaker 2: they were always fascinated and constantly.

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Speaker 1: Ah, how old are you, George.

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Speaker 2: I'm fifty two. So I started as a fifty one

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Speaker 2: year old. So I'm very much an outlier in the industry.

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Speaker 2: You might say, are you, Yeah, I am, because if

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Speaker 2: you look at any escort advertisements, there's directories where you

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Speaker 2: might go and search for an escort, and many of

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Speaker 2: the males are in their early thirties or so.

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Speaker 1: So how does it work? I mean, I'm very naive

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Speaker 1: to this world. Is there a website?

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Speaker 3: I go on and I look at the pictures of

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Speaker 3: people and say, oh, I like him? Is it some

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Speaker 3: WhatsApp group I need to be a part of?

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Speaker 5: Like, how do I she's asking for a friend George.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. No.

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Speaker 2: If you just google straight mail escort, you'll come across

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Speaker 2: a couple of sites.

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Speaker 3: Because I imagine though that there would be a lot

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Speaker 3: of women who would do that, and there would be

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Speaker 3: things on the Internet that you'd be like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is a bit sus I don't know about this.

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Speaker 1: How do you know?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really that's a really important question to understand

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Speaker 2: what it is you're looking for. So I advertise on

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Speaker 2: one site, I have my own website.

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Speaker 1: And you've got your own website.

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Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, So it's and I think that shows

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Speaker 2: a level of commitment to the to the work that

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Speaker 2: I've paid a web designer to sign up a site

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Speaker 2: for me that includes testimonials that other clients have written,

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Speaker 2: my prices and the different things I offer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have to look up the website.

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Speaker 5: We can we go through prices?

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Speaker 1: George, can I go anywhere? What's your website?

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Speaker 4: George Goolben dot com?

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Speaker 1: Is that your real name?

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Speaker 4: No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: I love that, George. Did you go with George because

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Speaker 3: George Clooney? No, I think George is a second George Stanza.

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Speaker 2: No, I used to have an office on the corn

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Speaker 2: of George and Golden Streets.

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Speaker 5: What was it the old first pet's name, first street

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Speaker 5: you lived in for your porn? I was Semi.

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Speaker 1: Palmer, I was Benny Buller.

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Speaker 5: I would not have booked you. So George, let's let's

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Speaker 5: go through the prices. What would someone pay to get

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Speaker 5: your services for an evening?

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Speaker 4: Well, if we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking an entire evening and into the morning, so an

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Speaker 2: overnight booking, Yep, that's five thousand dollars. Stays are you

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Speaker 2: stay there? Well, it's usually a hotel or the place.

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Speaker 2: And look, I must hasten to add that doesn't happen often.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's we are in a cost of living crisis.

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Speaker 2: So while my prices might look high, you don't get

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Speaker 2: that money.

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Speaker 5: Would you commonly get booked for often a two hour

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Speaker 5: booking where that involves sex? Yep, so it's about the same.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get to bloody a winery and

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Speaker 5: back in two hours, am I? And fun for that?

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Speaker 2: So for that type of booking it's twelve hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: So that's we'd normally meet for a drink if we

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Speaker 5: A tourment of bucks for two hours?

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: How often would you get booked?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look at barries?

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Speaker 2: Really it's over the course of this last year. I've

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Speaker 2: probably had a dozen of those. So, like I say,

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Speaker 2: it's not big money unless you're doing it super regularly

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Speaker 2: and the volume of clients are there, so it's not

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Speaker 2: quite as lucrative as some people might think.

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Speaker 3: George to any of these women, have you got lots

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Speaker 3: of repeat customers or is it a one off?

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Speaker 4: It's usually repeat customers.

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Speaker 1: And do any of them get attached?

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Speaker 4: Yes, they do in facts and is that a problem?

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Speaker 4: It is a.

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Speaker 1: Problem, And do you have to then cut it off?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've got.

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Speaker 2: To really maintain strong boundaries and be very sensitive to

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Speaker 2: the fact that once they're intimate with me, that can

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Speaker 2: lead to attachment and feelings.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever Have you ever found yourself emotionally connected

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Speaker 3: to one of your clients.

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Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, because for me it's a relationship, even

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Speaker 2: though it might be a short term thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm investing my emotional energy.

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Speaker 2: So when I wouldn't say I'm attached to them, I've

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Speaker 2: certainly there's a strong connection. But I've got the ability

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Speaker 2: of having dated for so long to acknowledge that it's

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Speaker 2: work and it is a transaction at the end of

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Speaker 1: So you've never thought I'm getting into too far here.

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've put a lot of my own energy into

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Speaker 2: this line of work now, and so I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to give it up for a relationship that's just not something.

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Speaker 1: You don't think you're going to fall in love in

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Speaker 1: the process.

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Speaker 4: Well, who knows. Yeah, it's possible.

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Speaker 3: Have any of the women like if you've found or thought,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, this woman is falling in love with

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Speaker 3: me and I'm going to end up really damaging or

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Speaker 3: hurting her, would you address that absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would caution her about the consequences of what's

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Speaker 2: going on, and i'd suggest we ended the last.

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Speaker 4: Thing I want to do. Not yet.

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Speaker 2: No, there's been a couple of circumstances where they've got

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Speaker 2: close and we've had to sort of have a solid

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Speaker 2: conversation and say, look, I think this is might be

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Speaker 2: harmful for you. I'm not offering what you want, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to pull back.

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Speaker 5: Has there ever been any fear that you're running to

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Speaker 5: someone you know.

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Speaker 2: That's always there a chance And look, frankly, I don't

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Speaker 2: really care anymore. Yeah, I'm proud of what I do,

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Speaker 2: and it's something that society still has stigma around, and

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting and really disappointing that I think if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so different And I don't know why that is.

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Speaker 4: No, And look, I wish it were different too.

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Speaker 1: And as a difference between prostitution and.

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Speaker 2: Being an escort, fundamentally, no, when you're talking sex, sex

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Speaker 3: The way men women are treated so differently when it

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, Well this segment already would be seen

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Speaker 1: You're talking, well, I feel like this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe this is controversial, but for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel really gross about this.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you don't think there'd be people who,

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and quite a few of my people

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Speaker 4: Think about it.

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Speaker 2: Online dating can be pretty soul destroying for so many people.

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Speaker 2: It takes so much time and energy, and the quality

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Speaker 5: George, what's the average age you'd get from a client.

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Speaker 4: I would say in their fifties. Okay for me.

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Speaker 5: And have you ever sorry, have you ever been an experience?

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Speaker 5: Have you ever been a situation where and I imagine

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Speaker 4: That hasn't happened.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why is that I insist on a

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Speaker 4: I request from them a photograph.

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Speaker 5: Does some of them freak out at that and they

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Speaker 2: No really, okay, no, because they've seen my photo, They've

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Speaker 2: So I say, look, I'd like to get a bit

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Speaker 4: So a phone call really helps a photograph.

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Speaker 2: I'm a visual learner, So it's like, okay, now the elderly, Oh,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a woman in her late seventies getting

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Speaker 2: She's a beautiful woman and she's really still very vital.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful that women have any age can seek out

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Speaker 4: Really I think feeling it.

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Speaker 3: I think the gray air area for me we touched

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Speaker 1: I think that is where it becomes.

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Speaker 5: But George, isn't the I doing the dirty?

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Speaker 3: I know you know, and I understand and respectfully that

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Speaker 3: in general go nanna, Na, that's not okay.

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Speaker 1: Is that area? Look over affairs and all of that.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind for you, for EON's men have been

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Speaker 4: So married men seeing a sex workout.

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Speaker 1: Oh totally. But that's what I'm saying. So it goes

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Speaker 2: It certainly does. And look, there are if I think

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Speaker 2: is not sexually interested any longer, and she's gone through

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Speaker 2: menopause and she has a real appetite and she's had

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Speaker 3: So do you think some of these women who you

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Speaker 4: Yes or no.

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Speaker 2: There's a client I've seen often. She and her partner

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Speaker 2: don't live together. They've been together some ten years, and

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Speaker 2: they have an agreement and understanding that they can do

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Speaker 5: God, you got to pick the right time to pitch that.

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Speaker 5: I want to make sure the environment's right.

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Speaker 3: You'd want to you'd want to pick the right time

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Speaker 3: to cage them. Yeah, I'd do it in a public place.

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Speaker 5: Probably so good food court situation, screaming she's not going

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Speaker 5: you about hey, George, and look, we can we can

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Speaker 5: censor this bit out. But have you ever been asked

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Speaker 4: No? I haven't.

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Speaker 2: And keep in mind most of these people who have

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Speaker 2: and they it's not freaky, it's not at all. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's always classy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And your expense, like I imagine you're expensive, escoration, he's worth it.

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Speaker 4: Look at him. Yeah, some people will look at me.

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Speaker 1: Are you expensive?

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Speaker 3: Because there must be this huge spectrum of prices that

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there's some bloody jim junkie who's twenty eight

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Speaker 1: That people having money have more respect at all, often quite.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there'll be some young blokes trying to make

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Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, there is, and there's plenty of those out there.

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Speaker 2: I guess my my niche is as an old guy

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Speaker 2: a smart guy, and I appeal to those women who

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Speaker 4: And it's not what they are intimidating. No, they don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want a juicy story. What's the wildest thing

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Speaker 2: Gee, I can go into my private life. But that's

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Speaker 2: not what you're after. There's not really been anything real.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's people booked you to come to think.

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Speaker 3: Like one of my friends, this is many many years ago.

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Speaker 3: He just split with his girlfriend, I think, but I

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Speaker 3: he had to go to this birthday and he said,

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Speaker 3: would you come with me as my date? But I

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Speaker 3: kind of want people to think that we might be

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Speaker 5: To charge them sure.

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Speaker 3: I was like, sure, I'll come with you, and like

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Speaker 3: we weren't playing, you know, we were great friends. We

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Speaker 3: like do people do that to be like?

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Speaker 1: Can you be my date? I want people to think

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Speaker 2: They haven't yet, but I'm really looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to be a plus wonder the wedding. I'm

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Speaker 2: very social, lucking.

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Speaker 1: Man around, holding hands.

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Speaker 5: I believe you've been booked to go over seats?

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Speaker 3: I have, yes, yeah, from someone overseas or with an

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Speaker 4: With a client from the US.

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Speaker 2: She spends quite a lot of time here in Australia, right,

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Speaker 2: absolute delight. Is there no Scottish George out there?

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Speaker 1: None in local Australian's American?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's obviously cashed up.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes she's she's retired and she's seen a number

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Speaker 4: Great to have a companion with her for a week

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have fun together? Absolutely, going up for

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Speaker 2: I've seen it quite a few times already, and she's

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Speaker 4: She loves mine.

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Speaker 3: So you're getting outside of financial reasons, you're getting a

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Speaker 4: Absolutely enjoy it. Yeah, look I love it.

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Speaker 2: I've always been an outgoing person. I love meeting new

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Speaker 3: Been a very sexual person because I imagine not everyone

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Speaker 4: Now it's not that easy to do it because I

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Speaker 1: A high sextrame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I have, and I do, and look it's but

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Speaker 2: it's far more than that to me. It really is

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Speaker 5: You know what, there'd be a bunch of I know

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Speaker 5: my mates, there'd be a bunch of trades right now

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Speaker 5: listening going blood, Oh, I can make a bit of

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Speaker 1: No, they're not as smooth as George.

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Speaker 3: You know, my mate and I spent ten minutes with George,

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Speaker 1: George pretty smooth.

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Speaker 5: Have you, I guess the the biggest tickup that would

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Speaker 4: I have, yes, and how to go down perfectly fine.

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Speaker 5: They were still comfortable seeing you, you being a male ESQRL.

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Speaker 2: She she was in an open relationship. Well that helps,

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Speaker 2: it certainly does, and so no, she was one hundred

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Speaker 2: Cell wasn't sustainable? Ultimately?

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Speaker 4: Is it safe sexually? It is?

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Speaker 2: Yes for me in terms of you got rules, I've

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Speaker 2: got all the rules, yes, And look, I worry for

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Speaker 5: If you ever think about that, I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look like.

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Speaker 3: Your face is on your website? Were allowed to show

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Speaker 3: your face on our social media?

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Speaker 5: Are? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So look it comes with it's a risk.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but it's something I'm prepared to take and because

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Speaker 4: And yeah, but it is, it is. It's different for women.

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Speaker 2: They're often the subject of sexual abuse and violence, which

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Speaker 2: is just unacceptable. Where I by fortunate being born a man,

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Speaker 2: I don't experience them.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel unsafe.

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Speaker 3: Are the things that you have. You got a line

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Speaker 3: of things that you do and don't say to people.

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Speaker 3: There things that you need to keep to you and

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Speaker 5: Yeah I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's like any any if it's a work situation,

453
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Speaker 2: you know certain things you'll tell your colleagues and certain

454
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Speaker 2: things you want.

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Speaker 3: So it's not in here we tell everyone.

456
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Speaker 5: To say, you know what, you don't have to come

457
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Speaker 5: to that much.

458
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Speaker 3: There are things that you keep to yourself to protect yourself,

459
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Speaker 3: and you look discretion.

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Speaker 2: And while my family all know and are supportive, it's

461
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Speaker 2: not something that they want to have people you talk

462
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Speaker 2: to them about necessarily.

463
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Speaker 3: You're the same person that we're talking to right now.

464
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Speaker 3: When you're on a date, or do you go into

465
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Speaker 3: a bit of a.

466
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Speaker 2: Character only a little look, It's it's all about being

467
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Speaker 2: authentic and if you can't be authentic.

468
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Speaker 4: People can see through that.

469
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Speaker 3: Do you like rent a Ferrari for the day and

470
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Speaker 3: put these women up in and make them think that

471
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Speaker 3: they're dating a billionaire when really you've got a he

472
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Speaker 3: and I gets not a chance.

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Speaker 4: No, Look, what you see is what you get.

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Speaker 5: And I think, how do we know it's your You know,

475
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 5: i'd recognize you, But like, do you say we'll meet

476
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 5: in the bar and I'll be wearing this shirt?

477
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Speaker 4: Sometimes that's quite exciting.

478
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Speaker 5: Depending what he said. I mean, he could say Hawaiian

479
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 5: shirt and you'd be like.

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Speaker 1: Actually, George changed, I'm paying for this.

481
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Speaker 2: Bigelow.

482
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Speaker 5: I'm in the bundany Hawaiian shirt. You won't miss me.

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Speaker 4: You will not see any Hawaiian shirts.

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Speaker 3: I suppose there is there is very much a stigma

485
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Speaker 3: about this industry. Is there anything you'd like to say

486
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Speaker 3: to people listening now that you think that they don't know?

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's really important to appreciate that people see

488
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Speaker 2: es cords for a variety of reasons. Just because it's

489
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Speaker 2: something that they don't like doesn't mean it's wrong.

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Speaker 4: It's legal, it's.

491
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Speaker 2: Real work, and people want company. And that's what I

492
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Speaker 2: experienced so much in my line of work, it is

493
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Speaker 2: not people just wanting a quick sexual Some times it.

494
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Speaker 3: Is, though, because there would be people screaming at the

495
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Speaker 3: radio now going what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: This is okay? My husband went and saw an escort.

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Speaker 5: And next I also, I think it's going to be

498
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Speaker 5: very different from girls just seeing George for no one's

499
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Speaker 5: seeing someone like George for a quick twenty minute hit. No,

500
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Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong, that's right.

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Speaker 2: My minimum booking is two hours. Women don't want a

502
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Speaker 2: fifteen minute booking, where some female workers do offer a

503
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Speaker 2: fifteen half an hour minute booking. So look, yes, some

504
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Speaker 2: people won't like what I do. You know, I'm sorry

505
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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: Tipping point'd be doing at least an hour and forty

507
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Speaker 1: at the.

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Speaker 5: Bar talking about where you bought that shirty George. You

509
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Speaker 5: don't have to answer this if you're not comfortable.

510
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Speaker 4: But do you kids? I have a son, yeah, an adult.

511
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Speaker 5: How would you feel if he went into this line

512
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Speaker 5: of work.

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Speaker 2: Look, given that I do it, I would be okay, absolutely,

514
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: and my mum is totally fine about what I do.

515
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Speaker 2: And yeah, look my son is an adult. He's very respectful.

516
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Speaker 2: He's got other female friends who work in the industry

517
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Speaker 2: as well. So given I do it in a very

518
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Speaker 2: ethical way so far as look, I'm open about what

519
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Speaker 2: I do.

520
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Speaker 4: And so I'm very comfortable with it. He's fine, He's like, yep,

521
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Speaker 4: that's all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, George, it's been an eye outen this morning.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I went into this interview with a different attitude that

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Speaker 3: I have coming out of it.

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Speaker 4: George.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, time is up and I don't want to go

528
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Speaker 5: over the limit and pay more, Lauren, so we need

529
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Speaker 5: to wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just still not like there is still some uneasiness.

531
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Speaker 5: But I think there's two different worlds. There's people that are,

532
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 5: you know, doing the dirty and fulfilling something they're not getting,

533
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 5: and then there's other people who are straight up honest

534
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 5: and actually just trying to fulfill a need.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely see the I can see that, but then

536
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Speaker 3: you know, there's the other side of it that makes me.

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Speaker 5: Go, no, there still is he not blows me away.

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00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Reception in it for some some people.

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Speaker 2: I must say, deception is a tiny part of the

540
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Speaker 2: clients that I see.

541
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Speaker 4: Most of them are.

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Speaker 2: Single, most of them have not had any intimacy or

543
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Speaker 2: sex for sometimes more than ten years. Wow, And so

544
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Speaker 2: I don't think we should be denying them of the

545
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Speaker 2: right to do that if that's of their own free will.

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Speaker 2: They and if you were to read my testimonials from.

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Speaker 1: Master, I'm going to scour that way.

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Speaker 5: She's a big gurgle review girl.

549
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Speaker 2: You'll get a really positive sense of what I've what

550
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: I can provide for these women's In some cases it's

551
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Speaker 2: changed their lives. And there's a client, for instance, in

552
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Speaker 2: the mid thirties and she absolutely credits me for getting

553
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Speaker 2: her to feel confident enough to get back on the

554
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Speaker 2: dating scene and she's met a partner and she's super happy.

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Speaker 5: Jam though that's a loss of income for you. No

556
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Speaker 5: return business.

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Speaker 3: Has there ever been any inquiry from someone that you've

558
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Speaker 3: gone No.

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Speaker 4: Plenty of them.

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Speaker 5: Really, can you give you some examples of what you're

561
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Speaker 5: not back?

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Speaker 4: I get loads of tie kickers, time wasters.

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Speaker 2: So often it might be two am, they're like, oh

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Speaker 2: can you come around.

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Speaker 4: It's like at two in the morning. At two in

566
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Speaker 4: the morning, get sober and contact me.

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Speaker 1: You're not taking advantage of taking their money.

568
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Speaker 2: No, No, because for the in the main they're not

569
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Speaker 2: going to be serious anyways.

570
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Speaker 1: Have to pay first.

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Speaker 2: I get them to pay deposit up front and to

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Speaker 2: secure the booking and then the rest.

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Speaker 5: When we meet, you carry one of those little left

574
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Speaker 5: post tiles on you. You know, the markets, the hips,

575
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 5: and you can't I don't, right, okay.

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Speaker 2: But and often I'll get guys wanting to meet to

577
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Speaker 2: have sex with their partner or girlfriend or wife, and

578
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: they and they watch well almost every time they never

579
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Speaker 2: go through with it because the partner doesn't know.

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Speaker 4: And that's I'm in. I'm not about that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, look, unless I can speak to the partner

582
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Speaker 2: and know that she really wants this, I'm not interested

583
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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 4: And even then I will be very careful about going

585
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Speaker 4: through with it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, have you ever done adult films?

587
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: No? I don't intend to.

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00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 5: Sometimes us blokes don't look good on camera most times.

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Speaker 1: You so I believe you need the right light.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, it doesn't scream romance. It's sexy rocking up

591
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: with a ring light?

592
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: Does it?

593
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 5: You might have? I just set this up first.

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Speaker 1: When are you going to retire? How old are you

595
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: going to go?

596
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: I don't know.

597
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: As long as you can, yeah, I think I will.

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00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: There's probably other avenues to move into, whether it be podcasting, coaching.

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00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: As long as it's very interesting.

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Speaker 5: As long as it works, you can keep going.

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Speaker 4: George. That's it.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting.

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00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: It gives a really unique insight into human relationships, and

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00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: that's what really keeps me interested.

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Speaker 1: You need to write a book one day, George.

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Speaker 5: I think he's got the whole thing planned out. George.

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Speaker 5: We really appreciate you coming in this morning. Do you

608
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 5: want to mention your website again?

609
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, George Golden, it's George Goblinson.

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00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: There's testimonials, it's all there.

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00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: I was just looking up great headshots on there to

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00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: George beautiful, and.

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00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: Many are getting quick because Lauren's booking him. No, I'm not.

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00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 3: I'm very happily engaged. This is not my style, but

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00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: for those who it is, I mean good luck.

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Speaker 4: Cheers, George, brilliant, Thank you,