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Speaker 1: On scorn US Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Paney Show coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight. Douglas Murray joins me and he has a

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Speaker 3: message for the activist journalists at the ABC. You do

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Speaker 3: not want to miss that the tills are upset about

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Speaker 3: standards of behavior in Parliament House. Dan Wilde looks at

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Speaker 3: the tone police scene from the Karen Brigade.

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Speaker 4: Mi Horowitz is in.

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Speaker 3: Chicago and we'll have the latest from the ugly scenes

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Speaker 3: at the Democratic National Convention and the great Alex Epstein

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Speaker 3: on how Facebook is suppressing factual information about nuclear energy

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Speaker 3: and a segment that has millions of views, Left is

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Speaker 3: losing it.

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Speaker 5: Women were now without electrical not allowed, not without electoral, electoral.

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Speaker 6: Or political power.

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Speaker 4: No curry, no kidding.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Daniel Wah, Deputy Executive director of the

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Speaker 3: Institute of Public Affairs. Dad, let's start with the tills

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Speaker 3: there are not happy about the standards.

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Speaker 4: Of behavior in Parliament House.

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Speaker 3: They had a press conference today saying proper standards are

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Speaker 3: rarely seen.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear from.

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Speaker 3: The woman who only last week called Peter Dutton racist

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Speaker 3: in Parliament House.

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Speaker 2: Stop it at the top.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, we hear a lot

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Speaker 7: of talk about commitment to better standards, better behavior, but

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Speaker 7: that can only be modeled by the leadership. All those

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Speaker 7: MPs take their queue from their leaders. They are elected

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Speaker 7: leaders of their parties, from David Little Proud as a

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Speaker 7: leader of the Nationals, Peter Dutton, the leader of the

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Speaker 7: Liberal Party, Anthony Albernizi, the leader of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: Dan it's a good that she knows who leads each party.

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Speaker 4: That's refreshing. She didn't mention the Greens there, I think,

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Speaker 4: But I do wonder whether.

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Speaker 3: This is a case of people in glasshouses not throwing stones.

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Speaker 4: It was literally days.

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Speaker 3: Ago when she had to withdraw a comment calling Peter

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Speaker 3: Dutton racist in parliament.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 8: It is the pot calling the kettle black. You know,

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Speaker 8: just look at your own behavior. Of course, the Teals

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Speaker 8: are the ones that thought it was a good idea

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Speaker 8: to divide the country by race in the Constitution, and

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Speaker 8: they're going to lect to everybody else about parliamentary behavior.

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Speaker 8: You're right, she didn't point out the Greens. I suspect

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Speaker 8: the reason for that is because the Teals are just

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Speaker 8: cashed up Greens. They vote you know, analysis on Sky

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Speaker 8: News yesterday revealed they vote with the Greens sixty percent

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Speaker 8: of the time, coalition a third of the time. So

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Speaker 8: how are they really independent and representing the views of

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Speaker 8: their community.

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Speaker 4: And I won't even part like it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Just that they weren't supposedly independent, but they portrayed themselves

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Speaker 3: as conservative alternatives. They were conservatives, they cared about the environment.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of the narrative that was pushed. And

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Speaker 3: there are nothing of the sort as you've just explained.

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Speaker 8: No, look, that's exactly right. And they're a part of

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Speaker 8: a growing cohort of these inner city elites that are

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Speaker 8: not interested in a debate. They you know, anytime somebody

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Speaker 8: raises a different opinion, they will try and silence people.

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Speaker 8: And they say it's about parliamentary behavior. Well, you're allowed

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Speaker 8: to have a debate in a democracy, particularly in parliament House.

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Speaker 8: And they are not interested in debating the substance of

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Speaker 8: the issues.

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Speaker 4: No, And to me it is tone policing.

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Speaker 3: Where do they get off telling others how they can

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Speaker 3: express themselves. Of course, you don't cross the line into

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Speaker 3: a straight out abuse like Gazali indulged in calling pinadutt

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Speaker 3: and racist and you obviously wouldn't say anything threatening. But

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Speaker 3: if you I've got robust discussions happening in Parliament House,

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Speaker 3: well that's the place for it. I don't think that's

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Speaker 3: something to hold a press conference about.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: We spoke on Monday about the Environment Minister using Indigenous

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Speaker 3: heritage laws to ban a one billion dollar gold mine

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Speaker 3: project in New South Wales, and now we learn Ai

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Speaker 3: Pulvasek is refusing to release the advice that led to

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Speaker 3: that ban, which did take the resource industry by surprise.

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Speaker 3: Tamil Pulversek made the decision despite local Aboriginal land councils

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Speaker 3: saying there were no unmanageable concerns about the proposed site.

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Speaker 3: Dan the Environment Minister is defending this decision. We know

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Speaker 3: it's going to cost eight hundred jobs, it's going to

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Speaker 3: cost New South Wales around two hundred million in royalties

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Speaker 3: and taxes. Surely we need a little bit more transparency here.

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Speaker 8: Well, there's a pattern of repeated behavior. We've seen this

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Speaker 8: with the whole Nature Positive Laws, which is the big

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Speaker 8: new green bureaucracy that this government wants to bring in.

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Speaker 8: We put in a freedom of information request a couple

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Speaker 8: of months ago to the Department and they said there

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Speaker 8: was something like two hundred and twenty thousand documents relating

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Speaker 8: to the nature positive laws, but they weren't going to

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Speaker 8: release them into public. So there's a pattern here of

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Speaker 8: having closed workshop meetings with stakeholders. We have to sign

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Speaker 8: confidentiality or non disclosure agreements in order to view legislation.

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Speaker 8: We've also seen that with religious freedom laws.

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Speaker 3: Again, what's the point of going through that process if

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Speaker 3: you can't actually then speak about what you've seen well.

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Speaker 8: Because the government just wants to say they've consulted, They

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Speaker 8: don't want people to be heard and they don't want

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Speaker 8: people to speak out. So you know something else is

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Speaker 8: going on here. But you know this is only going

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Speaker 8: to be the beginning of what we see in terms

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Speaker 8: of this anti development agenda from this government.

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Speaker 3: And you've got people within the indigenous communities saying these

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Speaker 3: Aboriginal heritage laws are being misused, they've been corrupted, hijacked,

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Speaker 3: whatever way you want to describe it. And again that's

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Speaker 3: not only divisive, but they're using that in really in

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Speaker 3: a cynical manner to hold back this development at a

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Speaker 3: time where we need investment we need jobs, we need

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Speaker 3: more taxes and loyalties to go to our state governments well.

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Speaker 8: Exactly, and depending on the location of approject it can

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Speaker 8: often be Indigenous people that are some of the main

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Speaker 8: beneficiaries of these projects, whether it is through the royalty

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Speaker 8: distribution as you mentioned, or through employment opportunities, which is

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Speaker 8: exactly what people on the ground need. This also has

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Speaker 8: I think the vibes of the Western Australian cultural heritage

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Speaker 8: laws in using claim tangible or intangible Indigenous cultural heritage

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Speaker 8: as a mechanism to stop development and to stop investment.

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Speaker 8: So I think that this may be a sign of

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Speaker 8: what is to come.

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Speaker 4: Now it must be a day ending.

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Speaker 3: And why because the Guardian is published another hysterical piece

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Speaker 3: of nonsense. I mean, it happens daily. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why we even highlight it anymore. This time they're pushing

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Speaker 3: the theory that Elon Musk could plan and insurrection if

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump loses the presidential election.

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Speaker 4: Let me read this extract to you.

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Speaker 3: Britain's twenty twenty four summer riots were Elon Musk's trial balloon.

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Speaker 4: He got away with it.

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Speaker 3: And if you're not terrified by both the extraordinary super

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Speaker 3: national power of that and the potential consequences should be.

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Speaker 4: Are you terrified, Dan, Well, what.

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Speaker 8: I'm terrified is the censorial nature of the left. I mean,

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Speaker 8: in the UK they are putting people in jail for

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Speaker 8: putting memes and opinion on social media. I don't think

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Speaker 8: the Guardian has spoken out against that, of course not

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Speaker 8: they support it. They support it because they fundamentally you know,

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Speaker 8: as it currently stands, democracy is only working for one side.

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Speaker 8: If you speak out as a mainstream citizen in the

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Speaker 8: Western world, you will be brutally shut down or canceled

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Speaker 8: or put in jail. That is where we are. Twitter

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Speaker 8: is perhaps one of the only forums that is left

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Speaker 8: on the Internet where people can have almost unfettered speech.

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Speaker 8: Of course, with unfettered speech, people will say all kinds

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Speaker 8: of horrible things that should be regulated by the platform

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Speaker 8: in some way. But in terms of actually having it

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Speaker 8: going on there and putting your opinion, you can't do

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Speaker 8: it on Facebook. You mentioned the nuclear poster banned on

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Speaker 8: or sense it on Facebook. So this is one of

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Speaker 8: the last avenues for free speech in the Western world,

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Speaker 8: and the left is mercilessly trying to shut it down.

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Speaker 3: It's just like if they have a conservative program or columnist,

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Speaker 3: even if ninety five percent of the media leans the

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Speaker 3: other way. They want to shut down that last remaining

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Speaker 3: contrary opinion.

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Speaker 4: Dan Wild, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you joining me now is best selling author Douglas.

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Speaker 4: Murray Douglas.

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Speaker 3: The Democratic National Convention is underway, and we are told

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Speaker 3: the Democrats are.

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Speaker 4: All of our joy.

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Speaker 3: But inside and outside the venue, it appears that the

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Speaker 3: modern left is devoid of joy. There are violent protests

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Speaker 3: from a range of activists outside in Chicago and inside

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Speaker 3: the convention.

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Speaker 4: We've had plenty of vitriol, including.

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Speaker 3: President Biden's manic rant where he repeated many debunk lies

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Speaker 3: like this.

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Speaker 5: Well, the president was asked what he thought had happened.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump said, night quote, there are very fine people

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Speaker 5: on both sides.

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Speaker 6: My god, that's what he said. That is what he said,

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Speaker 6: and what he meant. I realized, headless of the admission.

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Speaker 5: Of my dead son, I could not stay in the sidelines.

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Speaker 4: Very rare, Douglas.

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Speaker 3: Even Snopes has debunked this vague news. But President Biden

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Speaker 3: persists with this inflammatory lie even after an assassination attempt.

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Speaker 3: Almost so President Trump's short dead Why do the Democrats

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Speaker 3: persist with this lie. Why are they so tied to

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Speaker 3: this narrative?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's just one of a set of completely debunkable

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Speaker 1: lies that just should have no place of politics. If

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Speaker 1: people want to stop lying in politics, they should start

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Speaker 1: by just not lying themselves. Joe Biden has been using

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Speaker 1: this complete misquotation from what former President Trump said after

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Speaker 1: the Charlottesville appalling scenes there twenty seventeen. He has kept

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Speaker 1: using this claim that Donald Trump simply said find people

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Speaker 1: on both sides, as opposed to some of the people

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Speaker 1: trying to defend statues in the area will find people,

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Speaker 1: but went on to say that there was no excuse

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Speaker 1: to the neo Nazis, white supremacists, and someone who were

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Speaker 1: on show that day. Joe Biden has had plenty of

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Speaker 1: opportunity to correct himself, but he just doesn't. He's determined

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Speaker 1: to stick to the narrative. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: that very strange performance of his last night, it's a

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Speaker 1: complete replica of performances he's done before. He talks about Charlottesville.

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Speaker 1: He claims that Donald Trump praised the neo Nazis. He

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Speaker 1: then cites his late son Bo and it's as if

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Speaker 1: Biden knows this will fire himself up, and he hopes

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Speaker 1: will fire his supporters up. It's the same thing with

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Speaker 1: the Democrats trying to claim that form President Trump referred

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Speaker 1: to a blood bath coming if he comes back as

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Speaker 1: opposed to a blood bath for the automobile industry, if

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Speaker 1: Harris woure to get in. But you know, as I say,

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Speaker 1: if people actually care about lying in politics, just don't lie.

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Speaker 1: And these are just straight out, completely verifiable lies that

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Speaker 1: Biden is telling about the person who was his opponent.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just appalling. And if Trump was doing this,

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Speaker 1: people would call it out. I see no reason why

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't do it if Biden is, especially if.

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Speaker 3: It had been an assassination attempt against President Biden, and

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Speaker 3: you still put forward these really ugly inflammatory lies.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: President Biden was also angry about the Israel Hamas war.

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Speaker 3: He wants a permanency swine. He thinks that the anti

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Speaker 3: Israeli protesters outside the venue have a point. Biden, let's

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Speaker 3: have it. Listen to what he said about these protests.

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Speaker 5: And finally, finally finally deliver a cease fireing and this war.

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Speaker 5: Those protesters out in the street, they have.

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Speaker 1: What they have managed to focus on is people retweeting

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Speaker 1: But you can lock up a tweeter in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 4: Thank you still to come.

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Speaker 3: Lefty's losing head and what's what happens when army horror

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Speaker 4: It doesn't end well. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: lunacy has really kicked into gear. We've even got NBA

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Speaker 3: coach Steve Kerr, you know, taken near Kerr.

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Speaker 4: He was there and he had a message for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: In the words of the Great Steph Curry, we can

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Speaker 5: tell Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: N n.

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Speaker 4: No, no no.

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Speaker 3: The Warriors coach had a lot more to say than

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Speaker 3: just that. He spoke about why he was there making

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Speaker 3: a fool of himself, why he backs the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: He explained what he looks for in a leader.

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Speaker 2: I believe that leaders must display dignity. I believe that

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Speaker 2: leaders must tell the true truth.

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Speaker 4: Got it, Dignity and truth.

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Speaker 3: Let's get a dose of that with the leader that

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Speaker 3: Steve Kerr backs right now. Joe Biden, who spoke sometime

456
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: after Kerr, was way past this bedtime, and it was

457
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Speaker 3: a manic, incoherent rant.

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Speaker 4: He told women that had no electrical or electoral power.

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Speaker 4: Try to figure this out.

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Speaker 5: Women were not without electrical not allowed, not without electoral,

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Speaker 5: electoral or political power.

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Speaker 4: No kidding, no kidding.

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Speaker 3: But let'sus get back to that dignity thing. Steve Kerr

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Speaker 3: was talking about dignity and truth, and here we see

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Speaker 3: that sort of glorious dignity of Biden repeating verifiable lies

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Speaker 3: to so racial division, and in doing so he even

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Speaker 3: invoked the name of his dead son.

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Speaker 4: It's not very dignified in my book, and.

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Speaker 5: Changing the same exact anti Semitic bio that was hurt

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Speaker 5: in Germany in the early thirties Neo Nazis white supremacist

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Speaker 5: Ni krukus Klan. When the President was asked what he

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Speaker 5: thought had happened, Donald Trump said, I quote, there are

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Speaker 5: very fine people on both sides.

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Speaker 6: My god, that's what he said. That is what he said,

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Speaker 6: and what he meant. That's what I realized. Had listened

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Speaker 6: to the abuition of my dead son. I could not

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Speaker 6: stay in the sidelines. So I ran.

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Speaker 3: So dignified, so truthful, so full of joy. That demented

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Speaker 3: Die tribe was, of course devoid of fact.

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Speaker 4: We told you that years ago it's all on video.

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Speaker 3: The Fine People hoax is just that Trump did condemn

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Speaker 3: the Neo Nazis and race unequivocally.

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Speaker 10: And you had people and I'm not talking about the

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Speaker 10: neo Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be

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Speaker 10: condemned totally, but you had many people in that group

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Speaker 10: other than Neo Nazis and white nationalists, okay, And the

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Speaker 10: press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

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Speaker 3: And yet years later, the Democrats from Joe Biden down

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Speaker 3: continue to push that dangerous, divisive lie, even after President

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Speaker 3: Trump was almost assassinated. It's beyond despicable, but Steve Kerr

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Speaker 3: thinks it's dignified and full of truth and unity.

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Speaker 4: Now. Old Joe also seemed.

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Speaker 3: Confused because he credited himself and particularly Kamala for reopening

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Speaker 3: schools during the pandemic.

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Speaker 5: During the pandemic, Commahi helped states and cities get back

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Speaker 5: your schools back open.

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Speaker 3: Kamala helped get the schools back open. Really, do the

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Speaker 3: Democrats think we have forgotten? They ran attack ads against

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump for wanting to reopen schools.

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Speaker 5: Remember this, desperate to reopen schools because he thinks it

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Speaker 5: will save his reelection.

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Speaker 2: We have to open the schools.

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Speaker 4: Critical shortage of PPE.

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Speaker 10: Threatening they're funding when they don't open their schools, We're

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Speaker 10: not going to fund.

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Speaker 5: Them, ignoring how the virus spreads, risking teachers and parents' lives,

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Speaker 5: going against the advice of experts, so very little.

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Speaker 2: Impact on young people.

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Speaker 4: Trump was one hundred percent ride there.

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Speaker 3: The virus had very little impact on young, healthy kids,

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Speaker 3: and schools should have never been closed. And that was

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Speaker 3: only one of the many, many verifiable lives uttered on

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Speaker 3: the DNC stage by Biden and others. Indeed, the whole

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Speaker 3: thing seemed to be less about Carmala and walls and

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Speaker 3: the Democrats' vision and really all about Trump Trump trump.

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Speaker 6: Trump donald Trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump,

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Speaker 6: donald trump.

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Speaker 11: Donald trump, donald trump, donald trump.

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Speaker 5: Donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, trump Trump. Who in

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Speaker 5: the hell does he think he is?

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Speaker 2: Who goes he think he is?

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Speaker 3: Indeed, there was very little set of the DNC about

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Speaker 3: the big issues facing the country.

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Speaker 4: Throughout the day.

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Speaker 3: There was only three mentions of inflation, only eight of

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Speaker 3: the border, six mentions of crime, but more than one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty mentions of Donald Trump. They seem a

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Speaker 3: tad obsessed and get ready for more lefties content with

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Speaker 3: my next guest.

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Speaker 4: Who is playing a dangerous game.

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Speaker 3: With leftist agitators in Chicago. Here he is starting a

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Speaker 3: chant with these clowns before revealing to them.

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Speaker 4: That he is in fact pro Israel.

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Speaker 2: How to get behind the bikes?

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Speaker 5: Please?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Everybody behind the bikes not in front of the police

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Speaker 5: are playing right now?

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Speaker 1: The people.

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Speaker 3: On this road line, Oh good, lord is going to

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Speaker 3: get himself hurt again. Joining me now from the Democratic

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Speaker 3: National Convention in Chicago is journalist and documentary filmmaker Army Horowitz. Army,

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Speaker 3: you've already been assaulted by anti Israeli activists this year

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Speaker 3: when you had the temerity to turn up with an

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Speaker 3: American flag. Tell me about what is happening in the

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Speaker 3: streets of Chicago right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that video. God, that guy was an idiot.

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Speaker 2: What was who was he thinking?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know, look, you're caught up in a moment, right,

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Speaker 2: I sign an opportunity. I'll tell you when how I

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Speaker 2: went down a little background of that. But this there's

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Speaker 2: you know, look, this is not hyperbole. Does not make

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Speaker 2: us making you know, uh, words up that are actually

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Speaker 2: more dramac and they actually are. If you walk around,

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Speaker 2: I ask people, I interview these people, they said to me,

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Speaker 2: we are Prohmas. In fact, one guy had a that

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Speaker 2: said we should arm Hamas, not Israel. When I asked them,

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Speaker 2: should we see destruction of the Jewish state, they emphatically

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Speaker 2: said yes. So when I saw the guy who was

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Speaker 2: running this rally, the main pro Hamas rally at the

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Speaker 2: DNC in front of the Israeli consulate, and he was

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Speaker 2: chanting till the cops. He was chanting destroy Israel. And

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Speaker 2: of course he was also chanting how much he hated

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. Right, make no mistake about it.

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Speaker 2: Her coming up to where she was, her elevation, maybe

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Speaker 2: even kind of a coup to take over and push

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Speaker 2: out Joe Biden has created no love among these radicals,

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Speaker 2: make no mistake about it. They hate her. Still, they

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Speaker 2: are still not going to vote for her because look,

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Speaker 2: she said very clearly, I'm the last person in the room. Right.

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Speaker 2: She has taken ownership of all of Joe Biden's policies,

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Speaker 2: good and bad. Mostly bad. They realized that. So when

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Speaker 2: they when she says hey, uh, and she tries to

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Speaker 2: suck up to them and meet with the dearborn Michigan

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Speaker 2: mayor secretly, by the way, so nobody knew about it.

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Speaker 2: When when when waltz uh has has talked about how

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Speaker 2: a a in a mom in his area who was

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Speaker 2: an October seventh enthusiast, he spoke with him five times

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Speaker 2: publicly called him a master class teacher. This stuff has

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Speaker 2: actually not moved the meal for these people. They are

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Speaker 2: animals out there attacking the police. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, I got to give it up to

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Police department. They are not taking crap. They

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Speaker 2: are pushing these guys back. They are not unlike the

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Speaker 2: police in Papolis during Waltz we gave them roof to breathe.

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Speaker 2: The Chicago police have got this stuff locked down. I

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Speaker 2: gotta say I was very impressed by it. I went

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Speaker 2: to all the riots across the country. They did a

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Speaker 2: great job. So yeah, no, there's chaos in the streets.

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Speaker 2: But they are not going for.

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Speaker 4: Kambalayrs Well, I'm not sure about that.

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Speaker 3: They're certainly not going to vote for Donald Trump because

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Speaker 3: he's as pro Asrael as they come. So in the end,

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Speaker 3: and this is the argument the Democrats are making to them,

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Speaker 3: is that what else are you going to do if

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Speaker 3: you don't vote for us, that's effectively a vote for

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, even if you stay away and don't.

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Speaker 4: Vote that day.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder whether that was behind Joe Biden having

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Speaker 3: sympathy for these protesters.

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Speaker 12: The.

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Speaker 5: Civilian suffering of the Palace Indian people and finally, finally,

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Speaker 5: finally deliver a cease firing in this war. Those protesters

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Speaker 5: out in the street, they have a point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you said, the protesters out on the street

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Speaker 3: have a pointer. We had Barack Obama speak tonight at

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Speaker 3: the DANC.

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Speaker 4: We know what his Middle.

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Speaker 3: East policy was, we know what the Biden Harris administration

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Speaker 3: position has been. And it's no surprise that these protests

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Speaker 3: feel emboldened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Look, there's no question that they are desperate

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Speaker 2: to try to get these people to vote for them

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Speaker 2: on this election. Right then, particularly in Michigan, Right, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of where they're saying, Hey, if we lose these votes,

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Speaker 2: we may lose Michigan, and also in Pennsylvania's quite a

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Speaker 2: few of them. The reality is, of course, to be emboldened. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Look but that clip you showed, that's the real good

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Speaker 2: people on both sides clip right, not the BS one

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Speaker 2: they made about dob Top you mentioned before. Their signs

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Speaker 2: are clear. They're not hiding the ball here when he's

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Speaker 2: talking about they have a good point. Explain to me

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Speaker 2: what point you're referring to, because when I was with them,

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Speaker 2: they were calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, they were crapp on you too,

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Speaker 2: genocide Joe as they call them, or killer Kamala and

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Speaker 2: they call her. I don't think you're right. When I

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Speaker 2: was talking these protesters about are you gonna vote for Kamala?

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Speaker 2: They all said no, And I asked them, this is

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Speaker 2: going to this might lead to a Trump victory. They

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Speaker 2: don't care. They want to see the destruction of our system.

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Speaker 2: And they're they're they were chanting, by the way, not

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Speaker 2: just down with Israel, down to cops. They were chanting

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Speaker 2: down with the DNC, down with the Democrats. They are

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Speaker 2: not down with the Democrats, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we'll see, we'll see how those votes go.

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Speaker 3: You don't have compulsory voting in America, so you do

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Speaker 3: have the option to stay away. In Australia, it's a

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00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: different system. If we don't turn up to vote, we

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Speaker 3: get fined. That's an issue for another day. But that's true,

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Speaker 3: and the radicals aren't just add saw.

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Speaker 11: It is true.

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Speaker 3: That's that's we've got compulsory voting in this country, preferential voting,

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00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: very different system to yours.

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Speaker 4: But the radicals aren't just in the streets army.

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of radicals inside the DNC venue and giving

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Speaker 3: an insight into how far left the Democrats have veered

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Speaker 3: in recent years, we've learned that the head of a

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00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: prominent social justice group that's what they call themselves, who

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Speaker 3: has published an essay calling for decriminalizing of terrorist group

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Speaker 3: of mass has visited the White House multiple times this year.

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Speaker 4: That's according to official logs.

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Speaker 3: Joyce al Joni's group has also called for the defunding

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Speaker 3: of police forces and the elimination of immigration agencies.

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Speaker 4: Why would a character like.

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Speaker 3: This have access to the White House and who they

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Speaker 3: meeting with?

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Speaker 4: What sort of.

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Speaker 3: Influence are they having. I just find it astonishing that

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Speaker 3: people who are this far well to the left, to

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Speaker 3: the right, they're just in my mind, borderline extremist. Why

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Speaker 3: are they getting access to the bought An administration and

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Speaker 3: to the White House.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's borderline extremists. I think these

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Speaker 2: are extremists. I don't think there's any let's let's not

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Speaker 2: pull our punches here. Look, I think you could look

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Speaker 2: at it from a point of view of, hey, we'll

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Speaker 2: give them benefit of the doubt or like that there,

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Speaker 2: or you're get from the point of view of there's

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Speaker 2: a real problem and the call is coming from inside

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Speaker 2: the house. Look, if you want to give the benefit

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Speaker 2: of the doubt, and this is not really the benefit

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Speaker 2: of the doubt. This is also crass and terrible. Their

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Speaker 2: viewpoint is electoral, pure electoral, which is, hey, we need

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Speaker 2: to win this race, and we will take votes from

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Speaker 2: whoever we can get them from. And that means we're

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Speaker 2: going to cater and kowtow the pro Hamas wing of

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Speaker 2: this party. We will do so. And that's to say

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Speaker 2: that they don't believe it. That's to say they're just

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Speaker 2: trying to make a political calculation here. There's another reading

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Speaker 2: of this, which is and I don't think this is

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Speaker 2: Joe right, I do think this is Kamala and it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's some other extremists within. Look again, Biden isn't

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Speaker 2: running the show. He's not. He's not really president, right,

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Speaker 2: So you have to ask the question who's making the invitations.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that Joe Biden, right, He's not with us,

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Speaker 2: he is no longer with us. So you have to

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Speaker 2: ask the question, who are actually putting these invitations out

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Speaker 2: to these radicals? Who are really taking the meetings. We

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Speaker 2: don't know the answer to that. But the yeah, but

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Speaker 2: the truth is gether.

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Speaker 4: Is the problem? Well, this is the problem.

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Speaker 3: We don't know who in the administration is actually pulling

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Speaker 3: the strings because we know it's not Biden who's making

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Speaker 3: the key decisions here, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, Horowitz. Stay safe. We'll speak to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: What's a pleasure? Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Still to come?

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Speaker 3: Alex Epstein on social media side censoring factual information about

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Speaker 3: nuclear energie. Welcome back to the I read a panety show.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now as author of Fossil Future Alex Epstein, Alex,

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Speaker 3: we're seeing social media giant meta suppressed debate about energy policy.

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Speaker 3: Many Facebook posts promoting pro nuclear lobby group Nuclear for

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Speaker 3: Australia have seen their posts removed, supposedly for being misleading

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Speaker 3: users who shared a petition to legalize nuclear energy in

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Speaker 3: this country and also shared an interview between pro nuclear

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Speaker 3: advocate Will Shackle and businessman Dick Smith found their post

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Speaker 3: blocked or their accounts suspended. This has impacted quite a

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Speaker 3: few people. I wonder what impact is censorship in the

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Speaker 3: media and social media having on the energy debate.

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Speaker 12: You know, it's hard to say that the scope of it,

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Speaker 12: and you know, depending on what it is. If it's

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Speaker 12: encouraged by the government, then I consider it censorship. If

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Speaker 12: it's just the platform deciding what to do with its

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Speaker 12: own platform, I consider that suppression. In either case, I

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Speaker 12: consider it wrong, particularly when you're suppressing perfectly reasonable ideas.

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Speaker 12: I know, you know my own experience has been I

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Speaker 12: see stuff suppressed all the time on meta, Like there's

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Speaker 12: one thing where I show a graph about the truth

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Speaker 12: about sea levels. How in some places around the world

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Speaker 12: they've risen, in some places they stayed the same, and

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Speaker 12: in some places they've gone down. And the point is

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Speaker 12: that sea level change is mostly local. There is a

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Speaker 12: global rise, but it's very slow. It's mostly local changes

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Speaker 12: that make a difference. And they flag that as misinformation.

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Speaker 12: And you know how they justify that not that anything

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Speaker 12: I said is false, but that somebody once used my

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Speaker 12: graphic and said something false, So they've basically smeared my

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Speaker 12: graphic because somebody made a false statement associated with it.

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Speaker 2: So you can just see can you.

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Speaker 12: Imagine them doing that the other way, Like if somebody

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Speaker 12: had a graphic that somebody made a statement critical of

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Speaker 12: fossil fuels and then had a graphic about energy, they

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Speaker 12: would suppress that obviously not so you can see this bias.

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Speaker 12: It's particularly ominous that it's extending to nuclear in Australia

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Speaker 12: because Australia needs to know everything it possibly can about

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Speaker 12: why nuclear energy is really good and should be adopted.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, given we're sitting on the world's biggest reserves

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Speaker 3: of uranium, it seems particularly mad with the policies we

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Speaker 3: have in place at the moment. I'll get back to

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Speaker 3: Australia shortly. But the Democrats presidential candidate with the DNC

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Speaker 3: underway the moment. But Kamala Harris has a long history

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Speaker 3: of being anti fossil fuels. She has said repeatedly that

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Speaker 3: she would ban fracking on day one of her administration.

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Speaker 4: Let's have a look at this clip from CNN.

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Speaker 3: As saying pretty much just that the first time she

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Speaker 3: ran for president.

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Speaker 11: There's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking, So yeah,

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Speaker 11: and starting and starting with what we can do on

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Speaker 11: day one around public lands, right, and then there has

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Speaker 11: to be a legislation. But yes, and this is something

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Speaker 11: I've taken on in California out of a history of

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Speaker 11: working on this issue, and to your point, and you

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Speaker 11: know that we have to just acknowledge that the residual

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Speaker 11: impact of fracking is enormous in terms of the impact

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Speaker 11: on the health and safety of communities.

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Speaker 3: That was back in twenty nineteen, not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: She's now changed to chun Alex. She's saying she is

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Speaker 3: not for a fracking ban. Obviously, she wants to win

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Speaker 3: swing states like Pennsylvania. But from what you've seen and

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Speaker 3: what you know of the policies she has backed, what

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Speaker 3: would energy policy in the US look like under a

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Speaker 3: Harris administration.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm glad she's feeling pressure to change her policies.

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Speaker 12: There doesn't seem to be any real change in conviction.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if there ever was any conviction in

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Speaker 12: the first place. But it's a good sign that she's

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Speaker 12: at least retreating from this idea of banning fracking, because

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Speaker 12: banning fracking is an existential threat to the United States.

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Speaker 12: You're talking about sixty percent of her oil production, seventy

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Speaker 12: five percent of our natural gas production involves fracking, and

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Speaker 12: she talks about fracking. Is the threat held in safety?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 12: The threat health in safety is we can't produce oil,

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Speaker 12: we can't produce gas. Prices skyrocket around the world. Americans

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Speaker 12: can't heat their homes, we can't run their factories.

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Speaker 2: That's really bad.

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Speaker 12: The worst thing, though, is the continuation of the Biden

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Speaker 12: agenda on electricity. This is the real existential threat. We

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Speaker 12: already have a grid in crisis, and yet what the

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Speaker 12: administration is doing is they're artificially increasing demand for electricity

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Speaker 12: by things like mandating a lot of evs, and even worse,

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Speaker 12: they're artificially restricting the supply by banning existing coal plants

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Speaker 12: through their new EPA rules and then effectively banning new

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Speaker 12: natural gas plants to replace those coal plants. So we

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Speaker 12: already have a crisis, and they're talking about shutting down

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Speaker 12: a fifth plus of our reliable capacity and then not

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Speaker 12: allowing us to build natural gas when we need way

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Speaker 12: more electricity. Not just for evs, which we shouldn't be

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Speaker 12: forcing anyone, but for things like data centers for AI,

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Speaker 12: which we're just seeing unprecedented increases in demand force. So

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Speaker 12: this is a total crash course. And Harris, if anything,

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Speaker 12: would be worse than Biden with her track record. She

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Speaker 12: was one of the eleven co sponsors of the Green

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Speaker 12: New Deal, which was a fossil fuel and nuclear abolition

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Speaker 12: plan proposed a few years ago. So at best, she

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Speaker 12: doesn't care at all about energy, and at worst she's

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Speaker 12: very hostile to energy. And I think that the truth

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Speaker 12: is somewhere in between those two very bad points.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's from California, and California has given us an

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Speaker 3: example of what we can look forward to if we

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Speaker 3: go down this neit zero path wholeheartedly. We know some

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Speaker 3: of the radical policies backed in that state.

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Speaker 4: How is that going? Are they getting the outcomes they're expecting.

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Speaker 1: In California?

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Speaker 12: So I'm a Californian, so I think the leaders of it,

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Speaker 12: some of them wanted the outcomes we're getting, which is

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Speaker 12: more blackouts and less energy use and more poverty. But

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Speaker 12: in terms of the outcomes they promised, in terms of

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Speaker 12: a glowing green economy and more electricity than ever. No,

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Speaker 12: I mean it's you know, there's this story about Gavin

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Speaker 12: Newsom announced hey, no more internal combustion engines, you have

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Speaker 12: to use evs, and then literally six days later said

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Speaker 12: don't charge your evs you don't have enough electricity. It's

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Speaker 12: commonplace in California to say, hey, don't run your air

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Speaker 12: conditioning during summer, we don't have enough electricity. You know,

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Speaker 12: electricity companies, not just in California but in other places

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Speaker 12: influenced by bad policy, including Texas, they've come to be

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Speaker 12: electricity rationing agencies. It's like a Soviet style thing. In

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Speaker 12: the past, electricity companies tried to get you to use

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Speaker 12: more electricity. Now they're trying to get you to use

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Speaker 12: less because we're not actually allowed to produce electricity.

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Speaker 3: Now it's finally we are seeing here in Australia and

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Speaker 3: elsewhere in countries that have embraced it zero policies that

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Speaker 3: really manipulate the market. They push renewables restrict or sometimes

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Speaker 3: outright ban everything else, from nuclear to gas exploration to

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Speaker 3: coal plants. Can the renewable sector survive without government handouts

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Speaker 3: and market manipulation.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean there's no evidence.

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Speaker 12: So what I'm in favor of is what I call

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Speaker 12: energy freedom. So every source of energy is free to compete.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were free to produce and consume them.

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Speaker 12: And in electricity, what that means is everyone can compete,

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Speaker 12: but everyone has to produce reliable electricity. You don't allow

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Speaker 12: this charade of solar and wind get paid the same

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Speaker 12: to produce unreliable electricity, and then un fossil fuels and

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Speaker 12: nuclear produce reliable electricity. That doesn't make any sense. And

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Speaker 12: what ends up happening is you reward unreliable electricity, you

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Speaker 12: start to bankrupt reliable electricity. And then the other factor

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Speaker 12: you mentioned, which is the worst factor, is that we

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Speaker 12: are restricting or shackling reliable stuff. So it's one thing

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Speaker 12: to impoverish people by forcing them to pay for unreliable energy,

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Speaker 12: that's really bad. It's far worse to prevent people from

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Speaker 12: producing and using reliable energy. That's what we're seeing on

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Speaker 12: our grid in America, you're seeing those pressures in Australia,

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Speaker 12: You're seeing that around the world. So subsidizing unreliables and

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Speaker 12: shackling reliables is a death sentence to grids and that's

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Speaker 12: unfortunately what the current administration is doing. And we need

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Speaker 12: to just liberate energy. We should, you know, the ideal

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Speaker 12: should be America, Australia. We should have the lowest cost,

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Speaker 12: most reliablectricity in the world. We have all the raw

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Speaker 12: materials to do it, we have the ingenuity to do it,

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Speaker 12: but we have insane, ultimately anti human, certainly anti energy

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Speaker 12: policies that are causing us to We've basically uninvented affordable,

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Speaker 12: reliable electricity.

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Speaker 3: That is a wonderful way to put it, and you

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Speaker 3: are so right. I think it applies to Australia even

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Speaker 3: more so than the US.

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Speaker 4: Alex Epstein, thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you.

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Speaker 4: That's it for me. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Up next is Newsnight.