1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Today we're looking at this year's Grammy 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: winning Album of the Year, Cowboy Carter by Beyonce. It's 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: an album that has fueled conversations about race, genre and femininity. 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Joining me to dig through this album is Jasper Leak, 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: who joined The Australian's audio team in twenty twenty two. 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Jasper sits a couple of desks away from me in 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: our office, but as far as I know, he's the 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: only person in our building to have worked on a 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Grammy nominated album. Jasper co wrote Australian singer Sears song 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Broken Glass, which appeared on This is acting nominated for 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Best Pop Vocal Album in twenty seventeen. But despite the 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: bona fides, dissecting a Beyonce album has Jasper a bit rattled. 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I've been cramming for a bloody exam. 15 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, this particular tune stretches across a range 16 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: of genres and that's what makes it a unique listening experience. 17 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, that's the voice of Linda Martel, the first 18 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: commercially successful black woman in country music, introducing the song 19 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: yah Ya on Beyonce's genre bending album Cowboy Carter. 20 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: Hello Girls, Hell, Hello Fellows. 21 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Artists from Duke Ellington to Billie Eilish have shunned the 22 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: idea of dividing music into genres. One of the big 23 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: movies of the moment, A Complete Unknown, starring Timothy Schallamay 24 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: as the Young Bob Dylan, is about Dylan pushing back 25 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: at the people who wanted his music to be folk forever. 26 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: I hear Bob is playing electric. 27 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: That on our stage, he isn't. 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: But what is folk? For that matter? What makes something jazz? Punk? 29 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 4: Post punk? 30 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Those labels help us place music in history, working out 31 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: how they fit in with values, politics. The big trends 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: in society. Think the jazz of the Roaring twenties, which 33 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: reflected the era's freedom and excitement. Hair metal was emblematic 34 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: of the hedonism of the eighties, and hip hop, which 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: gave a voice to marginalized voices, held a mirror up 36 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: to America's urban experience starting in the seventies and eighties. 37 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: But genres don't stay the same for long. Eventually, someone 38 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: comes along with something so unique that the culture shifts 39 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: and sounds change, which I guess takes us to Beyonce. 40 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 5: As selected by the thirteen thousand voting members of the 41 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 5: Recording Academy, the Grammy goes to. 42 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 4: Cowboy Carter Beyonce Beyonce. 43 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: At the twenty twenty five Grammys, one of the most 44 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: remarkable moments was what looked like genuine surprise on the 45 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: face of one of the world superstars, Beyonce, when her 46 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: album Cowboy Carter was announced as Album of the Year overall. 47 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: What did you think of it as an Album of 48 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: the Year choice? 49 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 6: I thought it was an interesting choice. I can also 50 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 6: understand Beyonce herself being really surprised to win it for 51 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 6: this particular album. In the past, Beyonce has fronted up 52 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 6: to the Grammys fully expecting to win Album of the Year, 53 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 6: specifically for Lemonade and Renaissance. 54 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: This is a very very. 55 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 6: Different album compared to those two albums. So even if 56 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 6: this award came as a surprise to Beyonce, there was 57 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 6: a general sense that she was overdue to win this 58 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 6: Album of the Year category, which we've seen in the 59 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 6: past with artists like Phil Collins, who had been nominated 60 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 6: twelve times and never won anything, and then finally won 61 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 6: a Grammy for his song Another Day in Paradise, which 62 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 6: is kind of a crap song, especially when you compare 63 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 6: it to other songs and his catalog like Against All 64 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 6: Odds and In the Air Tonight, which have connected with 65 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 6: huge audiences across generations. 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's start from the very basics of these. 67 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: Is it a country album? O? 68 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 6: There we go, It's not a country album. I don't 69 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 6: think Beyonce set out to simply make a country album. 70 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 6: I think her ambitions for this album go way beyond 71 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 6: making a country album. Based on the first two singles 72 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 6: which came out, which were sixteen Carriages and Texas Holdham, 73 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 6: there was an expectation that we were in for a 74 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 6: country album. But this is as much a country album 75 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 6: as it is a rock album, a folk album, a 76 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 6: soul album, a hip hop album. I mean, I think 77 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 6: the whole point of this album for Beyonce was to 78 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 6: sort of take aim at our ideas around genre generally, 79 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 6: and also to take aim at the ideology of country music. 80 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: What is a country song? What makes something country? 81 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 6: When I think of country, I think of the three 82 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 6: chords and the truth principle. Three chords and the truth 83 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 6: suggests that these songs are built on simple harmonies. And 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 6: the truth part is the lyric, which is usually devoid 85 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 6: of any sort of ambiguity and is very direct in 86 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 6: terms of what the sentiment of the song actually is. 87 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And as a listener to Cowboy Carter, what really 88 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: struck me, especially as I listened you know the fourth 89 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and fifth times after you and I had some initial conversations, 90 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: is that every song is like a symphony. At one 91 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: point it feels like she's singing an operatic aria. Every 92 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: song has what sounds to me like multiple instruments, huge 93 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: numbers of voices or replications of Beyonce's own voice. None 94 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: of this is particularly simple. 95 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 6: That's because the songs need that sort of elaborate level 96 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 6: of production to bring them to life. I think if 97 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 6: you stripped away all those layers from the production, I 98 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 6: don't think you'd actually have something that you could really 99 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 6: hang your hat on as a listener and appreciate the 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 6: song purely from a songwriting point of view. There's no 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 6: songs that are just sort of playing rent free. 102 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: In my head. 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 6: I don't keep coming back to any hooks or melodies 104 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: or even feelings from any particular songs that I think, 105 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 6: as a country listener you would come to expect from 106 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 6: something that's marketed as a country album. But Beyonce herself said, 107 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 6: this isn't a country album. This is a Beyonce album, 108 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 6: And I think to apply these genre titles to her 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 6: album is to simplify it in a way that is 110 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 6: out of step with Cowboy Kada. 111 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: I was really intrigued by Joline in particular. So this 112 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: is a song, originally, of course, written by Dolly Parton 113 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: as a plea to a beautiful woman with auburn hair 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: not to take her man. In Beyonce's retelling of this 115 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: story with her own lyrics, it's about basically threatening to 116 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: rip this woman's hair off if she comes anywhere near 117 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: Beyonce's man, you know who famously is Jay Z. You know, 118 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton might have called him a hard dog to 119 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: keep on the porch. You know. It's something about feminism 120 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: and this modern take on that part of country, this plaintive, 121 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: kind of self pitying sense that you sometimes get from 122 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: country songs. Beyonce is all about kind of kicking people's 123 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: heads in Isn't She Yeah? 124 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 6: The bit that really jumped out at me, and that 125 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 6: maybe speaks to her brand of feminism is the lines 126 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 6: we've been deep in love for twenty years. I raised 127 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 6: that man, I raised his kids. I know my man 128 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 6: better than he knows himself. 129 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: When I heard that for the first time, I was 130 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: trying to think how my husband would feel if I 131 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: described our marriage like that, without wanting to criticize Beyonce, 132 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: because obviously she's a bit of a goddess, you know, 133 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: like it's a very self centered idea of what a 134 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: marriage is. I can't imagine too many husbands or partners 135 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: hearing that and thinking, oh, yeah, she did raise me, 136 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, I imagine having that level of hoodspa to 137 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: go out into the world. 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 4: I guess you need that to be Beyonce, right, Yeah, 139 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 4: I guess so. 140 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 6: I guess so. 141 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: Coming up the catalyst for Beyonce's venture into country music, 142 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: let me cast your mind back to the twenty sixteen 143 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: Country Music Awards when Beyonce stepped on stage with the 144 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks now known as The Chicks. After a funky 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: New ORNs inspired intro, Beyonce at Chicks performed Daddy Lessons. 146 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: That was a single from Beyonce's Lemonade album we The 147 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: bit of the chicks two thousand and two hit Long 148 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: Time Gone woven into the arrangement. The crowd rose to 149 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,119 Speaker 1: its feet and clapped through the almost six minute performance, 150 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: but the end of the song marked the beginning of 151 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: a heated debate between Beyonce's fan base, also known as 152 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the Beehive, and country's traditional fans. 153 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: I hate it, I mean I love Beyonce. I thought 154 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: it was just ridiculous. 155 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: Who remembers when Alan Jackson walked out on Beyonce's performance, 156 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: Alan said he hoped they would play some real country music, 157 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: you know, since it was the Country Music Awards. 158 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 5: Beyond Daddy's Lessons Country Music Awards. Yeah, she can be 159 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 5: there as well as the BT Awards, Explosive Grammys, as 160 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 5: well as everything else. 161 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: The lafties in the entertainment industry just won't leave any 162 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: area alone, right. 163 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: They've got to make their mark, just like a dog 164 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: in a dog walk park. 165 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 6: At the time, Beyonce had become more and more outspoken 166 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 6: around issues like police reform. She had thrown her support 167 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 6: behind the Black Lives Matter movement, and she was up 168 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 6: there performing with the Dixie Chicks, who had criticized George 169 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 6: Bush's decision to invade Iraq in the early two thousands, 170 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 6: and as we know, country fans are known for being 171 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 6: socially conservative, often white men aged twenty to forty, and 172 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: they couldn't get to their laptops fast enough to complain 173 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 6: about the fact that this wasn't country Daddy lessons that 174 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 6: is a country song. 175 00:10:59,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: You know. 176 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: That's when you kind of have to appreciate the role 177 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 6: that race and politics play in American culture and specifically 178 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 6: the country music scene. 179 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: Beyonce announced Cowboy Carter on Instagram, saying the album was 180 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: born out of an experience she had years ago where 181 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: she did not feel welcomed. It was widely interpreted she 182 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: was referring to that experience in twenty sixteen, dipping her 183 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: toe into the country well for the first time at 184 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: the CNAs. The experience set Beyonce on a mission digging 185 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: into the black roots of country music, which would become 186 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: part of the album's DNA. On Cowboy Carter, interludes come 187 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: in the form of a mock radio show hosted by 188 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, who highlights the contributions of black artists like 189 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: Chuck Berry, Sister, Rosetta Sharp, and Roy Hamilton. To country's roots. 190 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 6: The Willie Nelson moments on this album, and the Linda 191 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 6: Martel features and even the choice of collaborators that she's 192 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 6: brought in are all tools that she's really used to 193 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 6: strengthen her overall argument, which is, if you're a talented 194 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 6: musician living in America, you should make whatever music you want, 195 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 6: regardless of skin tone. None of these labels that we 196 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 6: assign to what is ultimately sound should matter. 197 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 4: This was something that surprised me a little on Cowboy Carter, 198 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: that Birdsing and then the Dead. 199 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Suddenly Beyonce is doing a cover of Paul McCartney's nineteen 200 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: sixty eight songs Blackbird, a cover of a nearly sixty 201 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: year old Beatles song in this album made my head 202 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: snap a little. 203 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: What did you think was going on here? 204 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 6: In a way, the way I feel about Beyonce's cover 205 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 6: of Blackbird is sort of the way I feel about 206 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 6: Cowboy Carter as an album. It's probably not an album 207 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 6: i'll revisit after we released this podcast. But what I 208 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 6: did appreciate was the questions that this album asked me 209 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 6: as a listener, And in Blackbird's case, I wondered why 210 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 6: she would cover that song. Beyonce is somebody who is 211 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 6: completely aware of her staff power. I think she is 212 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 6: aware of the effects that for other artists, being included 213 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 6: on a Beyonce album is likely to have on their career. 214 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 6: I know that Shaboozis come out and applauded Beyonce for 215 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 6: this album because he feels like it's going to busted 216 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 6: the door open for other black artists who are in 217 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 6: that country space. And I didn't know this, but the 218 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 6: four singers who sing backing vocals on Blackbird with Beyonce 219 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 6: are all black female country artists. And so I think 220 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 6: Beyonce used Blackbird Paul McCartney civil rights song to amplify 221 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 6: four black women's voices in the country scene. 222 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: Jes Belik edited this episode of The Front and composed 223 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: our original music. 224 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us on the Front this week. 225 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Our team includes Kristin amyt Lead Sammerglue, Tiffany Dimack, Joshua Burton, 226 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Stephanie Coombs, and mate Claire Harvey.