1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Hildebrand, and that is the Real Story. Another 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: huge news story. We've got the terror threat in Australia 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: being upgraded from possible to probable. That doesn't sound good. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Plus we've got the new party that is going to 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: take on the Greens at the next federal election. This 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: could be an absolute game changer. Plus did the PM 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: lie when he said that he was going to introduce 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: Indigenous truth telling and Indigenous Truth Telling Commission? Is this 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: another broken election promise or did he ever really promise 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: it at all. We're going to get into all that 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: and much much more coming up. The first up this week, 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: I want to give you a little exclusive. It's a 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: little scoop that dropped in a certain newspaper called The 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph this week by a very very handsome journo 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: called let me just get them Ah, there it is 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand. Anyway, point being a pot came out today 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: by the mckel Institute, was commissioned by the Society of 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: sin Vincent Debaul Vinnie's of course, you all know and 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: love I absolutely adore them. Had Do is a really 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: interesting stat in it that I pulled out for the Yarn, 24 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: and that is that the cost of living crisis, we 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: all know it is smashing everybody, and we all know 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: that it's killing people across the board. So these are 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: people who are not literally killing them, but economically killing them. 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: People who have jobs in some cases, people families, households 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 2: where both the parents the mum and dad both have jobs, 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: sometimes even multiple jobs, and still need to reach out 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 2: for emergency relief just to put food on the table. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: And we think about things like housing affordability and the 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: rental crisis, and how young people are just finding it 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: impossible to get into the property market, let alone to 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: even find a roof over their heads. It's now gotten 36 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: to the point where there's a rental crisis even bigger 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: than the home ownership crisis, which used to be the 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: housing crisis. But this report conducted by mckel, they interviewed 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 2: almost one thousand or nine hundred to be exact, but 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: will round it up a thousand clients of Vinnis to 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: find out just what their profile was and just what 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: was sort of driving them. Two Vineys and how effective 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: the Vinie's emergency relief was for them. And one of 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: the really interesting things is that there are a lot 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: older than people expected. So those over of these nine 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: hundred people who were interviewed, those over sixty five were 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: more than three times more likely to be seeking emergency 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: relief than those under twenty five. So about fifteen percent 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: of those nine hundred clients who were selected around them, 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: and it was all weighted in everything as well, about 51 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: fifteen percent were over sixty five compared to just four 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: point eight percent who were under twenty five. Now that 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: means a couple of things. One is, if you're under 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: twenty five, you've got mum and dad usually, so yes, 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: you're living at home more than you would like to, 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: or for longer than you would like to, but at 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: least you have that option, whereas, of course, if you 58 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: are over sixty five, you've got nothing. Maybe the kids 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: have moved on, maybe you don't have kids. I spoke 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: to someone today at the launch of this report by 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: Vinie's and met a lovely lady called Reader who had 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, was a client of it. She looked like 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: a perfectly respectable, you, lovely, nice little old lady who 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: you'd help walk across the street. Her and her husband 65 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: worked hard their entire lives. You know, I took care 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: of their kids, raised everything, and you know, she gets 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: to the end of her life and she gets an 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: electricity bill. She just can't pay it, and finally someone 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: persuades her to reach out to Vina's Day take care 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: of it. And then a few you know, she's getting 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: by for a few years and then smashed with a 72 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: rental hike and she just can't paid her entire pension. 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: Her entire pension is eaten up by her rent alone, 74 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: and so she's got nothing, literally no money left over 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: to put food on the table. It's incredible anyway, So 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: I Vinys are doing this awesome stuff. More than ninety 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: percent of the people they surveyed said you were doing great, 78 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: great stuff. So the report's fantastic. But there you go. 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: So it's older people who are really struggling, and it's 80 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: middle aged respondents as well. So the median age of 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: respondents in need who are reaching out for emergency relief 82 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: from Vinnie's. Like, literally, I cannot put food on my table, 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: I cannot pay the power bill. I'm going to get 84 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: evicted because I can't pay the rent. The median age again, 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: it's not young kind of terrorways, it's forty seven. Forty seven, 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: I'm forty eight. Maybe that's why that kind of struck 87 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: me a bit. The national median age, on the other hand, 88 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: so the median age for everyone in Australia is a 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: decade younger. It's just thirty eight. So there you go, 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: young people. Yes, I know you're doing it tough. But 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: the people who seem to be really smashed and pushed 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: to the brink by the cost of living crisis are 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 2: the middle aged and those over sixty five. It's literally 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: hate to trigger you guys, it's the boomers. Now. The 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: other big national story this week was the terror threat 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: being upgraded from possible to probable. Now. The good news 97 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: is there are still a couple of higher categories. The 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: bad news is that a probable terror attack is pretty bad. Now. 99 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: This was the assessment made by ASIO boss Mike Burgess. 100 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: He made the address with the Prime Minister. And of 101 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: course this comes in an environment where everybody is losing 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: their minds over the war between Israel and Hamas in 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: Gaza and the rhetoric that is escalated around it, and 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister himself is in no two minds about 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: who is to blame for this escalation in rhetoric, the 106 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: escalation in heat around this issue, and therefore what is 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: fueling this increased terror threat. This is the story that 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: ran in The Australian earlier this week with the headline 109 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: Green's violent, divisive rhetoric is fueling terror threat, says Anthony Albanesi, 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: and he is absolutely correct, by the way. A bit 111 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: of editorializing for you. Anthony Albanezi has accused the Greens 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: of fueling the community visions that have prompted the government 113 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: to raise the terrorism threat level from possible to probable, 114 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: saying the party's support for long running protests outside MP's 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: officers is undermining social cohesion. Now Anthony Albanese's own electorate 116 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: office and I drive past it every other day is 117 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: surrounded by protests where they're just sitting there effectively blockading it. 118 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: The staff members haven't felt safe to go to work 119 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: there because of course they get heckled or harassed or 120 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: shouted at or whatever. And this is happening at MP's 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: offices around the country. They're also being vandalized and this 122 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: is exactly what the Prime Minister is talking about, and 123 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: his direct quote is this, it's not appropriate for people 124 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: to encourage some of the actions out site electorate officers 125 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: and to dismiss them as being just part of the 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: normal political process. It is not normal to have people 127 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: in occupations for months outside electorate officers, where the work 128 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: of those electric officers is to assist people in social 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: security and health and other areas. They're not participants in 130 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: the Middle East conflict. That is absolutely correct, Prime Minister. However, 131 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: Green's Home Affairs spokesman David Shubridge hit back, accusing mister 132 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: Albanezi of quote politicizing terror. That's the very definition of terror. 133 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: The definition of terrorism is a violent act committed for 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: political ends. It's already politicized. At least look it up 135 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: in the dictionary before you speak anyway. Point being, the 136 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: Greens obviously aren't saying, yeah, go around killing people because 137 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, genocide in Gaza yahieah dah. But if you 138 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: legitimize things like the vandalism on Australian Wall memorials, or 139 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: if you legitimize things like the endless protest outside MP's offices, 140 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: and of course some of those officers have also been vandalized. 141 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: Point being, you are legitimizing a cause that then fuels 142 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: further and further anger more and more aggressive action, and ultimately, 143 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: according to Azio's terror threat assessment, probably some kind of 144 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: planned or were still executed terrorist act. And of course 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: we all know sadly that we are not immune to 146 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: such acts in Australia. And I was actually thinking about 147 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 2: the Suffragettes because when I think of terrorism, I think 148 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: of the Suffragettes, because there was actually a debate among 149 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: historians now as to whether or not the Suffragettes were 150 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: a terrorist organization, and believe it or not, some people 151 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: actually say it's not fair to the Suffragettes to say 152 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: they weren't a terrorist organization when they themselves self identified 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization and they were trying to instill terror. 154 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Now again, this is not the Suffragists, who are very 155 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: nice people, letter writers saying we need to give women 156 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: the vote. I strongly support that. By the way, England 157 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: was a little bit later than we were here in Australia, 158 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: but you know, they came around eventually. These are the 159 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: people who went around, you know, planning bombs in buildings, 160 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: they set fire to buildings, committ to ars and attacks. 161 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: They didn't kill anybody. They caused a few injuries, and 162 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: they tried hard not to kill anybody. But as at 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: least one historian and many others have pretty much just 164 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: a matter of done luck that they didn't actually kill anybody. 165 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: I think there's a bomb on a train carriage as 166 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: well that they set off. Point being this, you know, 167 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: the women's vote, women's suffrage is clearly a legitimate cause, 168 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: but does that legitimize those actions? And again, if you 169 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: are saying that a cause is so important, so so 170 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: incredibly existentially or morally or ideologically vital, that anything goes, 171 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: that any measure is worthwhile, then you are even if 172 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: you're not openly supporting terrorism, you're giving comfort to it, 173 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: you're giving succor to it. You're making those terrorists think 174 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: that what they're doing is something legitimate, because guess what, 175 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: most terrorists don't even think they're terrorists. I mean, the 176 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: suffragette seem to get quite a kick out of it, 177 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: But what can I say. Other people think they're freedom fighters. 178 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: They think they're doing something uponant, they're rising up and 179 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: striking and oppressive power. And so when you say yes, 180 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: that's what you're doing. You are therefore encouraging terrorism. And 181 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: that's what makes the PM absolutely right when he calls 182 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 2: out the extreme left for basically providing a fig leaf 183 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: of cover for what could be, potentially in the future 184 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: a horrible, tragical, catastrophic action. But the good news is 185 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: there is a new political force on the horizon in Australia, 186 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: a new party that is going to take on the 187 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: Greens and a few other minor parties it looks like 188 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: at the next federal election, and they might actually give 189 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: him a run for their money. We're going to be 190 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: speaking the founder of that party later in the podcast, 191 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: so don't go anywhere. And now just a quick bit 192 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: of fact checking, or let's call it some lighthouse keeping 193 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: on the fallout from the Voice referendum. Now, I very 194 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: very strongly supported the Indigenous Voice to Parliament and was 195 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: very outspoken my support for the Yes campaign, having said 196 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: that the Yes campaign could not have done a better 197 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: job of completely and utterly, I don't think I can 198 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: say the next word, but doing to themselves what usually 199 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: you know, a man and a woman, or a man 200 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: and a man, or a woman and a woman. Just 201 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: as long as there's no animals or miners involved due 202 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: to each other. I think you get the general drift. 203 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: The point being, now that the Indigenous Voice to Parliament 204 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: has failed, been rejected by sixty of the Australian electorate, 205 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: there's now push on for indigenous truth telling what's called macarata, 206 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: so a sort of truth telling commission where everyone gets 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: up and says, this is all the horrible stuff that 208 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: went on in our past, and what are we going 209 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: to do about it? Will there be reparations? Are we 210 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: just very sorry? Do you know whatever? These things get 211 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: very very wooly, very very quickly, and they usually just 212 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: sort of disappear under the weight of their own complexity. 213 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: But there was something called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission 214 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: in South Africa after aparth I had ended. That was 215 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties, by the way, so a little 216 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: bit more recent than OW is you. But anyway, point being, 217 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: these things maybe they're cathartic for some people, but they 218 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: often tend to sort of just you know, not result 219 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: in much practical benefit to anybody quite frankly. Anyway, The 220 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: question is did the Prime Minister actually promise that there 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: would be a truth telling commission, because just this week 222 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 2: on the ABC's Insiders he said there wouldn't be. So 223 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: let's go back to the very beginning. Here is what 224 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: the PM said and what his critics are talking about 225 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: when they say that he has broken a promise to 226 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: introduce a truth telling commission. Here is his first comments 227 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: upon being elected Prime Minister on election night. My local 228 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: club canby Helston Park RSL. Have you listen. 229 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners that land on 230 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: which we meet. I pay my respect to their elders, past, 231 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: present and emerging, and on behalf of the Australian Labor Party, 232 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: I commit to the ularu's Statement from the Heart and ple. 233 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: So we said he would commit to implementing the ULARU 234 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: Statement from the Heart in full. And here is what 235 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: the ULARU statement says on the question of Macarata says 236 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: Macarata is the culmination of our agenda, the coming together 237 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: after a struggle. It captures our aspirations for a fair 238 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: and truthful relationship with the people of Australia and a 239 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: better future for our children based on justice and self determination. 240 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: We seek a Macarata Commission to supervise a process of 241 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: agreement making between governments and first nations and truth telling 242 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: about our history. Hmmm, so that's kind of two slightly 243 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: different things there. Anyway, this is what the PM said 244 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: on Insiders last Sunday with. 245 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Regard to Macarata A your new word that simply means 246 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: it coming together after struggle. 247 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: So the PM has said that he supports the first 248 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: bit of Macarata, the kind of, you know, the coming 249 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: together and everybody loving each other and jumping on board 250 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: the peace train. But the actual thing that they requested, 251 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: the specific instrument, the Macarata Commission, the truth telling commission. Na, 252 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: He's not going to do that. Now. I can tell 253 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: you for an absolute fact that the PM is unequivocal, emphatic, 254 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: absolutely sure in his own head that he has not 255 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: broken a promise that when he talks about implating the 256 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: ullu's statement, he was talking about Macarata in terms of 257 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: that coming together, not the specific implementation of that Macarati commission, 258 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: which inconveniently is also in the illary's statement. Let's leave 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: at the right side. But he certainly doesn't believe he's 260 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: broken and election promise. The point is, even if he 261 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: had broken election promise, he would still have to because 262 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: anyone who talks about trawling through the historical dirt, trawling 263 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: up past injustices, and there were plenty I know, and 264 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: then talking about how on earth we are going to 265 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: address them, which is probably going to be impossible anyway, 266 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: is on an absolute hiding to nothing. There are only 267 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: three issues that are going to matter at the next election. 268 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: That is cost of living, cost of living and if 269 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: there's time more cost of living. Well. I mentioned at 270 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the top of the show that there is a new 271 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: force in Australian politics that is tackling the Australian Greens. 272 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: It's going to go head to head with them at 273 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: the next federal election, and they've already had a couple 274 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: of big wins in Queensland. And the really interesting thing 275 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,239 Speaker 2: about this is this is a Green on green assault. 276 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: No I'm not using a weird US military term. It 277 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: is in fact far more simple than that. But I'll 278 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: let the man himself explain it. Jeremy Buckingham is the 279 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: founder and leader if they have a leader of the 280 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: Legalized Cannabis Party that has appeared just sort of out 281 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: of nowhere in recent months to start picking up seats 282 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: all over the shop or at least eyeing them off, 283 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: and he joins me right now, gooday, Jeremy, how are 284 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: you great? Joe? Great to be with you. Now. Firstly, 285 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: let's get into your background a bit, because you were 286 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: an actual MP for the Greens, but you had a 287 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: pretty spectacular falling out with them. Just talk us through 288 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: how you ended up breaking apart from that party. 289 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: Well, just a difference of opinion. I suppose they were 290 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: pretty set on an anti capitalist, woke agenda. They were 291 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: pretty set on a hard left march, and I thought 292 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: that the Greens were moving away from their roots, which 293 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: were about environmentalism and particularly about peace and nonviolence. The 294 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: language of the Greens were using was increasingly hard core, 295 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: violent and divisive, and that really concerned me. The leadership 296 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: of the Greens had a different strategy, becoming more of 297 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: an a party focused on economics and less on the environment. 298 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: I still thought we had an issue to deal with, 299 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: which was transitioning our economy out of fossil fuels and 300 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: to renewable energy. So that was the principal difference. I 301 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: wanted us to focus on the environment. They've moved into 302 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: those social and economic issues. 303 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: So the nice kind of lovey dovey, touchy, f tree 304 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: hugging Party of Bob Brown has morphed into what a 305 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: lot of people call Watermelons, which is basically green on 306 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: the outside, green Veneer, but inside actually a very ultra 307 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: extreme sort of left wing Marxist agenda. 308 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think they're just like classical socialists. So 309 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: they were always there in the party, There's no doubt 310 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: about it. Now they're running the show. There's no doubt 311 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: about it. You look at who's running the show federally, 312 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: that's it. I had a different agenda and so you know, 313 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm looking for different projects. 314 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: So you founded the Legalized Cannabis Party. What made you 315 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: decide that that was the way to go? 316 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Well, I certainly helped found it. I think that it's 317 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for us to solve one of the 318 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: big problems in Australian politics, which is an Australian public policy, 319 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: which is drug law reform. I think that the legalization 320 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: of cannabis can solve some really big problems in our 321 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: society and our economy, and so I really threw myself 322 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: into it. We're an amalgam of the former Hemp Party. 323 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: There's some people that were involved in the Reason and 324 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: Party in the former Sex Party and myself who've got together, 325 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: got a federal registration, got state registrations and are now 326 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: running in state and federal elections because we think this 327 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: is a really exciting area of socioeconomic reform that can 328 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: lead to great outcomes in terms of saving taxpayers dollars 329 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: and building a big industry in this country. 330 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: And you've come out of the blocks, all the parties 331 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: come out of the blocks really strong. And there are 332 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: a couple of by elections in Queensland. They were labor 333 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: held safe labor seats. I don't believe the Green's actually 334 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: ran candidates in either of them, but you guys did, 335 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: and clearly that Green vote went almost entirely to you. 336 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: You've got some huge margins for sort of a first dip, 337 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: toe dipped in the water. Yeah. 338 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: Look, when we've run in by elections and when we've 339 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: run in state elections with very little money, very little support, 340 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: and not a lot with a very new organization, we've 341 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: done surprisingly well. In a by election in Western Brisbane, 342 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: we poled fifth percent, no Green in the race, but 343 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: we outpold One Nation in Pauline Hanson's seat. In a 344 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: by election on the Gold Coast. We outpolled the Greens again, 345 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: out polled one nation in sort of kath and Kim 346 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: territory in the Gold Coast. And whenever we're running, we're 347 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: electing people. We elected two people in wa, we elected 348 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: two people in Victoria, and I got elected in New 349 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: South Wales and we've been running a party on a 350 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: shoe string. The next federal election is something we're really 351 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: going to hit up on and we think we're a 352 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: very good chance of picking up senators in Victoria and Queensland. 353 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: We only just missed out in Queensland last time. This 354 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: time we think we're going to go a lot better. 355 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: There you go, and you've got a very high profile 356 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: candidate lined up to go in Victoria that's going to 357 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: drop in the next week or so. We won't next 358 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: few days, We won't do any spoilers there, but you 359 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: know who it is. I know who it is, and 360 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: it's I think you know that person could be a 361 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: real shot and you reckon Queensland as well. Is that 362 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: kind of because of the kind I know we've spoken 363 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: about this, but it's kind of like it's not the 364 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: traditional hippie trippy, you know, student sandal wearing, you know, 365 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 2: student socialist or whatever that I used to do, sadly, 366 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: but it's more the kind of easy going, laid back 367 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, the trade who might have a joint after 368 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: working on a building site all day or that kind 369 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: of that weird sort of libertarian just government, leave me alone. 370 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: I just want to kick back and relax, don't tell 371 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: me what to do. Is that the kind of vibe 372 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: you're going for in Queensland? Yeah? 373 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's two trains really that are building our support base. 374 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: Medicinal cannabis was legalized in twenty seventeen across Australia and 375 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: there's a million prescriptions for medicinal cannabis. And those people 376 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: who have taken up medicinal cannabis across demographics, across age groups, 377 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of them are in conservative areas and 378 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: they're actually seeing that medicinal cannabis has made a big 379 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: difference to their lives and a lot of the stigma 380 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: around cannabis it has gone. There's no pearl clutching anymore, 381 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: there's no moral panic about cannabis. The other thing is 382 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: cannabis has always been a working class drug. It's always 383 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: been a cheap affordable, you get a bag off your mates. 384 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: It's always been part of the social fabric in Australia, 385 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: or at least for the last fifty years. And in 386 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: the working class it's tradees, working class out of Metro 387 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: and some of our multicultural communities that have always been 388 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: users and supporters of cannabis and they're now voting for it. 389 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: If you look at our results at the last federal election, 390 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: those areas where we did the best were Regional Queensland, 391 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: the Hunter Valley, Central Coast, the suburbs of Melbourne, Gippsland, 392 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: northern suburbs of South Australia. Those places are users of cannabis, 393 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: not afraid by reform, and they're voting for us in 394 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: big numbers. 395 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: So this could be potentially a sort of third party 396 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: revolution in Australia. If you can pick up those votes, 397 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: you could then I suppose I suppose you could then 398 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: if you overtake the Greens, because obviously there's a growing 399 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: schism between Labor and the Greens as the Greens are 400 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: increasingly called out for their extremist rhetoric and behavior, if 401 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: you could sort of leap frog the Greens and pick 402 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: up that Green vote, small g Green vote, then you 403 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: would probably be a more natural ally of Labor because again, 404 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: as you say, it's a working class vote in many cases, 405 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: and you come with that kind of I suppose all 406 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: the freedom and the peace and love without all the 407 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: crazy rhetoric and the extreme ideology. 408 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And we're not out to replace the Labor Party. 409 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: This is a good idea. It's a simple idea legalizing cannabis. 410 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: It's about freedom of choice that appeals to a lot 411 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: of people from across demographics and across the political ideology, 412 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: and both the Greens and One Nation who emerged in 413 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties haven't had any competition in a generation. 414 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: It's good for democracy, it's good for politics, and we're 415 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: really organized and serious. We're going to really hit up 416 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: in this federal election and we're going to appeal, I think, 417 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of people across the spectrum, but especially 418 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: in non traditional areas. So I think the Greens are 419 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: going to get some real competition from us in for 420 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: the upper houses and One Nation too. 421 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: And it reminds me a bit about although the objects 422 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: involved are very, very different, but it reminds me a 423 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 2: bit of the sort of the gun vote in the 424 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: US where it is a single issue that only a 425 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: minority of people actually care really really strongly about, but 426 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: that minority cares so strongly about that that they will 427 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: vote for on that issue above any other issue. And 428 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: I imagine if you are using medicinal marijuana, or if 429 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: it's your sort of you know, your drug of choice 430 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: or your crutch or whatever, not that we ever endorse 431 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: anything illegal in this fine network and podcast, but that 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: you'd say, well, I'm going to go with whoever, whoever 433 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: lets me have that, whoever gets out of my way 434 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: and let me have it. So you could be peeling 435 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: off votes from I imagine a whole bunch of people, 436 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: including you know, bong smoking greenies exactly. 437 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: We're going to peel off foltes from the Greens, One Nation, 438 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Libertarians and working class people because you know, the ideas 439 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: on the tin when it comes to legalized cannabis. When 440 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: you go into the ballot box, it's there a lot 441 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: of people look at Labor Party, Liberal Greens and they 442 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: don't know what they're getting. It's a lucky dip. They 443 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: don't really understand the brands as they call them anymore. 444 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: With legalized cannabis, it's a good idea. The social stigma's gone. 445 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean Snoop Doggie dog is the face of the 446 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: Olympics and he's out there blazing a joint and hanging 447 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: out with world leaders. The stigma's gone. People understand, like 448 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: with all drugs, there can be harm, but a better way, 449 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: especially with cannabis. And that's what we're talking about. We're 450 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: only talking about cannabis. We're not talking about other drugs. 451 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: But with cannabis you can reduce the harm, better manage 452 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: it by taxing it, regulating education, making sure kids aren't 453 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: using it. You know, we're responsible in what we're talking about. 454 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: And so people are to go into that ballot box. 455 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: Look there, they'll see the leaf on the ballot box. 456 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: That's our logo. It's a massive brand, well well identified, 457 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: and they'll vote for a good idea. So it's a 458 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: big threat to the Greens. One nation, a couple of 459 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: these little parties, and we are about being in the 460 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: Parliament and bringing people together. That's a key difference with 461 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: the Green And. 462 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: If you've got two senators, you, along with a bunch 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: of other independence could potentially hold the balance of power. 464 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: So that's a huge negotiating position. 465 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the balance of power already to Legalize 466 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: Cannabis Party in Victoria and New South Wales. We're pragmatic, 467 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: we're pretty centrist. We want our issues dealt with and 468 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: we're going to deal with all the other issues that 469 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: come down range into Parliament in a responsible, collaborative way. 470 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: We're about bringing people together. We're like I like to 471 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: call us, we're an anti inflammatory party. Cannabis is an 472 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: anti inflammatory. It relaxes people, chills people out. That's the 473 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: sort of party we want to be and we think 474 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: that that's a key part that's missing from the you know, 475 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the body politic in Australia. Right now, I. 476 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: Love it well more strength to your Jeremy Buckingham from 477 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: the Legalized Cannabis Party. Thanks so much for coming on 478 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: the real story. Thanks Jake. 479 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: Great to be here. 480 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 2: Now it is time for my favorite part of the podcast, 481 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: question time. When you get to ask me anything you want, 482 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: I get to give you a very authority of answer, 483 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: delivered it with confidence that quite possibly might be wrong. 484 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: But in that case it's not me that's wrong. It's 485 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: just that circumstances have changed anyway. Damion Tomlinson has hit 486 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: me up on Instagram at Joe Underscore Hildebrand if anyone 487 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: else wants to slide into my DMS, he says, hey, mate, 488 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: listen to the podcast, and with the preface that I 489 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: have no idea how to run a campaign that puts 490 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: you well ahead of the Voice people, mate. The Voice 491 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: to Parliament debarcle was an oddity when presented with the 492 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: twelve or so other groups that have a Voice to Parliament. 493 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: The Indigenous is clearly most important. Why not indicate the 494 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: insignificance of each of the other voices to Parliament? I 495 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: love this question because basically says I mean, this is 496 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: a very definition of a small text, say hey, vote 497 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: for the Voice de Parliament. Look at all these other 498 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: groups that are advising the Parliament. It doesn't listen to them, 499 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: so it won't listen to them the voice either. Everybody's safe, 500 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: everyone can go home. I kind of tried to mount 501 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 2: that argument, mate, which it tells you everything you need 502 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: to know about how successful it was. But again, the 503 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: concern was really around this body being enshrined in the 504 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: Constitution and that you would not be able to get 505 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: rid of it. Of Course, what its opponents did not 506 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: say was that how the voice was put together would 507 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: be determined by the parliament, So the parliament say all right, 508 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 2: this is how we're going to put it together, and 509 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: then if that doesn't work, you could get rid of it. 510 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: The Parliament could just say, nah, okay, we're going to 511 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: roll that up and throw it in the bin and 512 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: start again and again. It could keep doing this ad infinitum. 513 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: It could dissolve and reconstitute the Voice if it wanted 514 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: it and was so powered. But it is that constitutional 515 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: role that really got people spooked. It's while you had 516 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: a lot of people saying, hey, why don't we just 517 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: legislate it instead of whacking it the constitution. But again 518 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. If anyone's going to have a voice 519 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: to Parliament, you would think it should probably be the 520 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: people who were here before the parliament even existed. And 521 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: that is all we have time for today. Thank you 522 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: for listening to the real story. If you love what 523 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: you hear, then congratulations, You've got impeccable judgment, and don't 524 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: forget to leave a rating and a review. If you 525 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: hate what you're here, you're wrong. What can I say? 526 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: If you want us to cover anything on the pod, 527 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: reach out via our socials via email, The Real Story 528 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: at Nova Podcasts dot com dot au, or you can 529 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: just slide into my dms on the IG. 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