WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 26 August

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<v Speaker 1>Lately.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome well late de Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond back

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<v Speaker 3>from holidays caleeb Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to be back with the family.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah. You know they say you can't pick them, Well

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<v Speaker 4>I did pick these ones and.

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<v Speaker 5>It is well. We're glad to have you back with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up Sunshine Coast fishermen film a great white shark

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<v Speaker 3>attacking their tinny. Will show you that incredible footage a

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<v Speaker 3>little later. Plus, when we get to the papers, you

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<v Speaker 3>won't believe the cost of Canberra's new sporting stadium and

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<v Speaker 3>Green's deputy lead at Marine Feruki to investigate anti semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>All of that when we look at the papers, But

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<v Speaker 3>you would have heard of meals on wheels. We'll get

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<v Speaker 3>ready for meals on wings as drone delivery services take

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<v Speaker 3>off around Australia now. Drone delivery services have been trialed

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<v Speaker 3>in this country since twenty nineteen in the Act in Queensland,

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales and now in Victoria, delivering everything from

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<v Speaker 3>coffee to agricultural equipment.

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<v Speaker 5>Once the issue of black spots.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been sorted out, because you don't want drones losing

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<v Speaker 3>connectivity and dropping from the sky with your coffee.

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<v Speaker 5>The Civil Aviation Authority.

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<v Speaker 3>Reckons that there will be a massive upsurge in drone deliveries.

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<v Speaker 3>They're predicting sixty million drone delivery flights a year by

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<v Speaker 3>twenty forty three. Jesse Suskan he's a drone delivery service

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<v Speaker 3>manager from Wing Aviation. He told The Guardian that it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to become popular because the slowest part is generally

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<v Speaker 3>the preparation and loading. But once it's on the drone,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's your coffee or your sandwich or whatever, it's

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<v Speaker 3>usually to you within minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't have to stop for red lights, he said.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to ten kilometers and back in urban and suburban

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<v Speaker 3>areas is what we focus on. So when you run

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<v Speaker 3>out of milk, when you run out of children's panadole,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the convenience of being able to send those things

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<v Speaker 3>by drone instead of having to drive back to the

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<v Speaker 3>shops through peak hour traffic. Now, he explained, not only

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<v Speaker 3>will drone delivery services be convenient for customers, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>highly efficient for delivery services. He went on to tell

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<v Speaker 3>The Guardian where a business would previously need fifty cars

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders.

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<v Speaker 5>You can deliver them by drone with just one pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the pilot simply overseas fifty drones in the air

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<v Speaker 3>at one time, so it's incredibly efficient. And here's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of what it looks like. Sadly, that music

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't come with the drone delivery. They sound more like

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<v Speaker 3>a swarm of bees, unfortunately, but you would have seen that, Liz.

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<v Speaker 3>They're taking off from the top of a shopping center.

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<v Speaker 3>So retailers simply bring their goods up to the roof.

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<v Speaker 3>It's connected to a drone fly. It doesn't land in

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<v Speaker 3>your backyard. It hobbs about eight meters above the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>It simply lowers the product down gently onto the grass,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's your coffee or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you like this or do you hate this?

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<v Speaker 2>Look?

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<v Speaker 6>It makes a lot of sense. Employers are always going

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<v Speaker 6>to love technology replacing people. It's a lot cheaper. You

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<v Speaker 6>don't have to worry about HR or health and safety,

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<v Speaker 6>a one off payment for a piece of technology that

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<v Speaker 6>is never going to be requiring a salary, asking to

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<v Speaker 6>take leave, asking for a raise. Technology works around the

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<v Speaker 6>clock for free technically. But what I just can't believe

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<v Speaker 6>with the speed in which we're implementing technology in ways

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<v Speaker 6>like this is people are making people more redundant.

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<v Speaker 2>By the day, Like what an own goal.

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't understand where we're supposed to head.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are people supposed to go.

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<v Speaker 6>Once we have the driverless cars, we talk about the

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<v Speaker 6>self service checkouts, that's one thing. It hasn't exactly taken

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<v Speaker 6>over by storm, but it's nearly almost everywhere. Then we've

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<v Speaker 6>got the storefronts closing, whether it's banks closing their outlets

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<v Speaker 6>or just normal retail stores going. Actually it's cheaper for

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<v Speaker 6>us if you just shop online. Banks go online, banking

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<v Speaker 6>ATMs everyone. We're just going to close more and more

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<v Speaker 6>of our stores. It's way, way cheaper for them. But

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<v Speaker 6>nobody's answering the obvious question that at the end of

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<v Speaker 6>the day we're going to be talking about millions of redundancies.

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<v Speaker 6>Where are these people supposed to go? Oh, how are

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<v Speaker 6>they supposed to provide for their families? That's when my

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<v Speaker 6>concern lies.

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<v Speaker 4>Listening to that music, I thought I was back in

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<v Speaker 4>far North Queensland, where I've just been relaxing on the

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<v Speaker 4>beaches I've been doing for the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Week or so.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of reminds me of that scene in Back

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<v Speaker 4>to the Future where doctor Emmitt Brown fires up the

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<v Speaker 4>Dolore and he says rules where we're going, we don't

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<v Speaker 4>need rules. And the question for me is, as you say,

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<v Speaker 4>is with all this automated technology that we are increasingly developing,

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<v Speaker 4>a product like this relies on someone buying something, right,

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to buy the food or the coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, what the hell are you doing having

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<v Speaker 2>a coffee delivered to you via drone?

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<v Speaker 4>I have heard no joke of people having cups of

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<v Speaker 4>tea delivered to their house.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you can't get up and walk.

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<v Speaker 4>Down to the shop, so getting your car to go

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<v Speaker 4>and buy some bloody tea bags cat. I know some

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<v Speaker 4>times you might have hungover on a Sunday morning or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and you don't really want to get out of bed,

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<v Speaker 4>but it is the height of ridiculousness if you are

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<v Speaker 4>having coffee or tea delivered to your house.

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<v Speaker 2>But this relies on.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone being able to pay for the products. So if

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<v Speaker 4>we keep taking away jobs that mean people can earn money,

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<v Speaker 4>then who's going to be left to buy the bloody

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<v Speaker 4>product that you've developed in the first place. Because it's

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<v Speaker 4>much like you know, in the US we talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the rust belt areas that used to rely heavily on

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<v Speaker 4>manufacturing for jobs and then those jobs all disappeared with

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<v Speaker 4>local manufacturing, and a lot of those people have never

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<v Speaker 4>gained other jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to have And I don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>Using the term low skilled, but that is generally what

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<v Speaker 4>we refer to things like delivery or retail or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>as it's not something you need to have a tertiary

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<v Speaker 4>qualification in order to do. And they're the sort of

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<v Speaker 4>jobs that people do while they're at university and the

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<v Speaker 4>sort of jobs that people do when they're a new

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<v Speaker 4>migrant to the country and they don't necessarily have qualification.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet it's those people who will eventually be done out

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<v Speaker 4>of a job, and what are they going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we just going to have people sitting around with

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to do? Because the only jobs that will be left,

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<v Speaker 4>which are the jobs sort of creating this technology and

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<v Speaker 4>running this technology, will be ones that actually require a

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<v Speaker 4>level of qualification.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are you going to do for an entry

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<v Speaker 2>level job anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Will you receive your universal wage provided by the Greens,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll do nothing and you'll be happy, you Kayleber.

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<v Speaker 5>You mentioned the US.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been trialing these drone delivery services in Texas and

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<v Speaker 3>they're working perfectly. The problem has been people complaining that

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like chainsaws flying over their neighborhood from eight in.

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<v Speaker 5>The morning until ten night night. Yeah, so that's been

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<v Speaker 5>the challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon and the Amazon drones are amazing and what they

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<v Speaker 3>can deliver, but they're now working on trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>their drones a lot quieter to avoid upsetting neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you mentioned the Greens.

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<v Speaker 6>They are someone who will be thrilled by this implementation

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<v Speaker 6>because of me. It means way less emissions, way less

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<v Speaker 6>cars on the road, all those delivery drivers suber eats.

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<v Speaker 6>This is another quote from Jesse Suskin at Wing. He said,

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<v Speaker 6>we're a business would previously need fifty cars and fifty

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<v Speaker 6>drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders. To deliver them by

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<v Speaker 6>drone requires just one pilot. In this article, they were

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<v Speaker 6>talking to a pilot who was like, yeah, I'm responsible

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<v Speaker 6>for fifty drones at any one point in time. So

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<v Speaker 6>again you're talking about replacing those fifty drivers and those

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<v Speaker 6>fifty cars on the road with one dude sitting in

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<v Speaker 6>front of some sort of computer tracking the weather, making

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<v Speaker 6>sure the drones are going to be Okay, what are

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<v Speaker 6>people supposed to do for work.

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<v Speaker 2>To the war on free speech?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 6>It is ever raging. The founder of Telegram, which you

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<v Speaker 6>may not have heard of. It's an end to end

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<v Speaker 6>encryption app. It's actually got nine hundred million users worldwide

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<v Speaker 6>because people like the privacy, they like the secrecy it affords,

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<v Speaker 6>and why shouldn't they. Well, it's founder, his name is

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<v Speaker 6>Pavel Durov, has just been detained at France airport. He

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<v Speaker 6>pulled in and his private jet another day another dollar

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<v Speaker 6>and did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to leave the airport.

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<v Speaker 6>He is detained accused of criminal use of his app Telegram.

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<v Speaker 6>Charges include terrorism, narcotics, trafficking, and fraud. Of course, to

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<v Speaker 6>any thinking person watching this, you just go this is

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<v Speaker 6>another crackdown on freedom of speech. They always tell us

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<v Speaker 6>that they're cracking the whip on Elon Musk and others

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<v Speaker 6>who are massive free speech defenders because they won't censor

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<v Speaker 6>their platform, and they always come at it from the

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<v Speaker 6>perspective of safety. Remember our e Safety Commissioner going after

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<v Speaker 6>Elon mus demanding that e sensor free speech. He refused,

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<v Speaker 6>so has Pavel Durroff. So one wonders are these two

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<v Speaker 6>things connected. Telegram put out a statement saying Durov has

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<v Speaker 6>nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe. A Telegram

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<v Speaker 6>abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act. Its

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<v Speaker 6>moderation is within industry standards. It is absurd to claim

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<v Speaker 6>that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse

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<v Speaker 6>of that platform. A tweet from Elon Muss reads free

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<v Speaker 6>Pavel with a link to attacker Carlson interview that Pavel

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<v Speaker 6>did with him in April of this year. It went

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<v Speaker 6>for an hour. The entire thing was incredibly fascinating. But

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<v Speaker 6>here's a little bit of something he had to say

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<v Speaker 6>about just how insistent governments and intel agencies have been

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<v Speaker 6>trying to gain access to users.

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<v Speaker 5>Of his app.

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<v Speaker 7>Last time I was in the US, I brought an

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<v Speaker 7>engineer that is working for Telegram, and there was an

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<v Speaker 7>attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind my back by

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<v Speaker 7>cybersecurity officers or agents. They were curious to learn which

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<v Speaker 7>open source libraries are integrated to the Telegram's app. On

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<v Speaker 7>the client side, and they were trying to persuade him

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<v Speaker 7>to use certain open source tools that he would then

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<v Speaker 7>integrate into the Telegrams code that my understanding, would serve

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<v Speaker 7>as backdoors.

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<v Speaker 2>Would allow the US government to spy on people who

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<v Speaker 2>use Telegram.

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<v Speaker 7>The US government to maybe any other government.

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<v Speaker 2>Tey.

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<v Speaker 6>This guy left Russia he's Russian by birth, because the

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<v Speaker 6>government wanted in on his app and he refused to

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<v Speaker 6>censor free speech on the Telegram platform. So he left

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<v Speaker 6>Russia thinking well, I'll be safe with the Western governments,

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<v Speaker 6>won't I. And here he is arrested on French soil,

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<v Speaker 6>which he has a dual citizenship there, as well as

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<v Speaker 6>the UAE where he's set up the Telegram headquarters in Dubai.

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<v Speaker 6>So he ends up being arrested and detained for a week.

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<v Speaker 6>He's due to face a magistrate in France on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>By a NATO ally.

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<v Speaker 6>By a friend of the Biden administration, by a well

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<v Speaker 6>and truly Western government who one would like to believe

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't be for censoring a platform like Telegram.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't understand why he is responsible for what people

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<v Speaker 3>do on his social media platform, which is really just

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<v Speaker 3>like making the board of Telsta responsible for what people

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<v Speaker 3>say on a phone call, and for the government to

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<v Speaker 3>want backdoor access where they can effectively spy on people

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<v Speaker 3>using this app means nobody is safe. And we all

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<v Speaker 3>believe that we want sex traffickers and gang lords and

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<v Speaker 3>drug traffickers, we all want them court. However, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to ask the question if the government, in the process

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<v Speaker 3>of trying to track sex traffickers, happen to hear you criticizing,

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<v Speaker 3>say Emmanuel Macron or government policy, and all of a

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<v Speaker 3>sudden you're in trouble. And unfortunately, there's precedent around the world,

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<v Speaker 3>whether what the UK are doing right now looking at

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<v Speaker 3>social media and jailing people for Facebook posts, or the

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian government, which we've talked about ad nauseum since COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>who froze bank accounts of those who dared to protest

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<v Speaker 3>their policies. You just wouldn't trust Western governments now sadly,

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<v Speaker 3>to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and let.

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<v Speaker 4>Alone governments that we know to be dictatorial authoritarian regimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Imagine if you were in government, imagine in Russia or

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<v Speaker 4>China or any other country where you're seriously worried that

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<v Speaker 4>you know someone will come around and have you popped

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<v Speaker 4>off for saying the wrong thing about the government that

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<v Speaker 4>if they had access to what you were saying privately.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they're on Telegram, you can private message people. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's also what they call channels, which is a bit

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<v Speaker 4>like any other social media platform Facebook, x et cetera,

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<v Speaker 4>where multiple people can go on and post and talk

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<v Speaker 4>to each other. And Telegram, because it is encrypted, is

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<v Speaker 4>often used by people to discuss things that they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise want to broadcast publicly. That is the point of

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<v Speaker 4>an encrypted system. It's something that politicians themselves use, much

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<v Speaker 4>like they've used WhatsApp for a long time, because there's

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<v Speaker 4>an added level of privacy in those communications, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>communications that they as politicians, don't necessarily want being accessed

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<v Speaker 4>by other people. It's highly security stuff that they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>want foreign nations getting their hands on, so they use

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<v Speaker 4>things like signal and Telegram and WhatsApp, et.

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<v Speaker 2>Cetera for that level of security.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I understand that law enforcement don't lack the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that that encryption makes it more difficult for them to

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<v Speaker 4>do their jobs, But how was law enforcement doing their

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<v Speaker 4>job fifty years ago when you didn't have access to

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<v Speaker 4>this technology of any kind. And you know, if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>having a conversation with you face to face, well, unless

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<v Speaker 4>I'm wearing a bug, you can't get access to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow law enforcement managed to catch criminals for a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time without having ready access to technology. What they're

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<v Speaker 4>really upset with is that the technology exists, but law

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<v Speaker 4>enforcement has been outsmarted by it. Of course we want

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<v Speaker 4>to catch criminals. Of course we want to stop criminals.

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<v Speaker 4>But why don't we talk about meta Facebook, all the

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<v Speaker 4>other social media platforms where the criminality, criminality is happening

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<v Speaker 4>every single day, child abuse material, child pornography is being

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<v Speaker 4>posted every single day. Have we seen any of those

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<v Speaker 4>companies hauled before a court and told you are going

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<v Speaker 4>to be prosecuted for the dissemination of child pornography. No,

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<v Speaker 4>Every now and again they front up to some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of senate inquiry in the US and they get wrapped

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<v Speaker 4>over the knuckles and told you're doing a bad job.

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<v Speaker 4>You should do something to clean it up. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>see Elon muskal or you know, they'll try it with

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<v Speaker 4>him eventually. We don't see Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 4>or anyone getting arrested because the criminality on their platform.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's hard to do your job, I'm sorry, law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 4>You've just got to try harder doing your job. That's

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<v Speaker 4>simply how it works. And you think of all the

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<v Speaker 4>data that is collected on you now by banks and

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<v Speaker 4>all sorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Just any extra.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit of data that you can potentially give to law

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<v Speaker 4>enforcement or government, even if right now you're not doing

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<v Speaker 4>anything wrong, you never know in future whether you may

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<v Speaker 4>be doing something wrong in the eyes of the government,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they're they want to get access.

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<v Speaker 2>To it exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll have the read receipts.

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<v Speaker 2>It is as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's come back home to Victoria, where apparently their bidding

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<v Speaker 4>for the Gay Games. Now I didn't know that the

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<v Speaker 4>Gay Games were a thing, but apparently they are. It's

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<v Speaker 4>been going for decades that the last one they had

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<v Speaker 4>over in Hong Kong, I think had about five thousand people,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's a reasonably large event. Adelaide and Perth are

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<v Speaker 4>apparently also in the running for the Gay Games. That

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<v Speaker 4>it said that Adelaide has now dropped out. They thought

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<v Speaker 4>they'd leave that to their labor friends over in the

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<v Speaker 4>other states such as Victoria and Western Australia. But of

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<v Speaker 4>course you'll remember that Victoria was the state that under

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<v Speaker 4>Daniel Andrews, in the lead up to the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two state election, secured the Commonwealth Games for twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>six and said they're going to have this great model.

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<v Speaker 4>It was going to be all through the regions. It

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<v Speaker 4>was only going to cost about two and a half billion.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll be the best thing since Clise Bread. Sorry, then

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<v Speaker 4>they decided that it was actually going to cost seven

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars. Where that number came from, we still don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>They then paid some six hundred million dollars in compensation

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<v Speaker 4>to the Commonwealth Games for them canceling the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>six Commonwealth Games. And we find out today that they think, hmm,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't do the Common Games.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe we can do the Gay Games.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the Sportsmanister Steve Demopolis announcing this today.

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<v Speaker 8>Whether it be the Gay Games or anything else, we're

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<v Speaker 8>always ready to make ourselves available for a major event

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<v Speaker 8>that wants to come to Melbourne, Victoria. The Gay Games

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<v Speaker 8>approached us that were in very early days, so we're

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<v Speaker 8>in the running out here. So that's great.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see what happens the Victorian Opposition Tourism spokesman Sam Roth,

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<v Speaker 4>former professional tennis player. Of course, he said, after wasting

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<v Speaker 4>six hundred million on the Commonwealth Games, debarkle, how can

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<v Speaker 4>any Victorian have confidence labor can deliver this event? Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think any of us have any particular confidence,

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<v Speaker 4>though you know, they probably learned the listen about going

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<v Speaker 4>down the regional road. If they do decide to have

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<v Speaker 4>the Gay Games, I'd never heard of the thing. Why

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<v Speaker 4>don't they just call it the Games? You don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to have the Gay Games. Just roll it into one.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some free marketing tips for you. But but what

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<v Speaker 4>the hell is the Gay Games? We should note that

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<v Speaker 4>the Gay Games, which you would think implies that it is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sort of the equivalent of the Olympics. It

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<v Speaker 4>was once called the Gay Olympics, but they got into

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<v Speaker 4>legal travel over using the word Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think that it was specifically for lgbt IQ people. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's for anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>So what how is it even the Gay Games to

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<v Speaker 4>begin with? I don't know, but Victoria, they cannot see

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<v Speaker 4>a sporting event that they're not interested in until, of

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<v Speaker 4>course they're not interested in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope. I hope they get the Gay Games just

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<v Speaker 2>so they can not have the Gay Games. Gotta love

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Groth there.

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<v Speaker 6>Being like we're always ready to make ourselves bailable.

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<v Speaker 2>For as well.

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<v Speaker 6>You're clearly not, buddy, and Victorians have paid through the

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<v Speaker 6>nose for a game that you're not even hosting anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>So you're not always ready, are you.

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<v Speaker 2>What I can't believe was.

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<v Speaker 6>Because I've never heard of these either. Apparently they've been

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<v Speaker 6>running since the eighties, the Gay Games. How many times

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<v Speaker 6>when we've discussed the issues around trans competitors at the

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<v Speaker 6>Olympics or at the trouble that causes with regard to

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<v Speaker 6>women's sports no longer being women's sports. Sorry, women, you

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<v Speaker 6>just have to compete with biological men or withdraw and

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<v Speaker 6>never get to live your dream. We've always said, why

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<v Speaker 6>don't they just create their own events, their own separate category.

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<v Speaker 9>To now learn that this has existed for decades, but

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<v Speaker 9>they just insist on ruining it for biological women who

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<v Speaker 9>rock up to their own events to compete in their

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<v Speaker 9>own category.

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<v Speaker 6>It makes it even worse. We keep suggesting it, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>brand new idea, You guys should just create a category

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<v Speaker 6>for all the trans players because then they can have

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<v Speaker 6>a great time. No one's left out. It's always existed,

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<v Speaker 6>and people who belong to the trans community just keep

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<v Speaker 6>rocking up to the non trans games to ruin it

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<v Speaker 6>for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to admit, I'm just completely confused because I

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<v Speaker 3>watched the opening ceremony of the Paris Games and I

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<v Speaker 3>thought that was the gay Games. I mean, And in addition,

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<v Speaker 3>they had a couple of boxes with x Y chromosomes

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<v Speaker 3>beating women black and blue. That was pretty inclusive, I thought.

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<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't aware that the Olympics was only for heterosexuals.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's that issue. Why on earth do we have

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<v Speaker 3>a gay Games in the first place. But you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to love the labor Victorian government. We can't afford the games,

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<v Speaker 3>or do you say gay games?

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<v Speaker 2>I can afford games.

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<v Speaker 3>I should point out, just before we're too critical, Oftoria,

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<v Speaker 3>Adelaide and Perth are also bidding for the Gay Games.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe there's three out of seven international cities bidding

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<v Speaker 3>for the games are Australian cities.

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<v Speaker 5>Read into that what you will. But if Victoria win

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<v Speaker 5>the Gay.

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<v Speaker 3>Games, I mean, it'll be a magical event. They'll hold

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<v Speaker 3>it at the MCG but it would be in the dark

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<v Speaker 3>because they can't afford to turn the lights on because

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<v Speaker 3>they're so broke.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think here's the key.

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<v Speaker 3>We're told that state representatives will travel to Washington to

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<v Speaker 3>formally pitch their city to organizers in October. So this

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<v Speaker 3>sounds to me like a wonderful junket for the Tourism Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't you dare criticize it, because if you do,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're homophobic and bigoted, aren't you? This is all

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<v Speaker 3>about diversity and inclusion. So it's beyond reproach, Caleb, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't criticize it.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently Sydney had the Gay Games in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we all remember the Sydney Olympics. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 4>the Sydney Gay Games. But there may actually be a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of sense in it because I assume if

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<v Speaker 4>you bid for them win the the Gay Games, you're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to build any new infrastructure. You're just going

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<v Speaker 4>to use existing infrastructure, unlike what you would have to

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<v Speaker 4>do for the Commonwealth Games.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can get five thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>People to jet into your city or more potentially and

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<v Speaker 4>spend money while they're there, and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>build anything for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It may actually make some economic sense.

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<v Speaker 4>But I suppose all of that will come out in

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<v Speaker 4>the watch when Victoria eventually says we've been for it,

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<v Speaker 4>we've won it, and then two years down the line,

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<v Speaker 4>we're not going to have it anymore because we can't

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<v Speaker 4>afford it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Sticking with the theme, Disney's new Star Wars series, promoted

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<v Speaker 3>as the gayest series ever, has been canceled after just

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<v Speaker 3>eight episodes.

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<v Speaker 5>Who would have seen that coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully, the series, which featured a lesbian witches coven where

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<v Speaker 3>the mostly women of color, used the Force to impregnate

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<v Speaker 3>each other, will be banished to a galaxy far far away.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's some of that scene with these lesbians using the force.

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<v Speaker 5>To just have a look. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The signs for this series were bad from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>When Disney appointed a queer activist Leslie Headland as the

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<v Speaker 3>writer and director of the series, she was asked what

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<v Speaker 3>she thought about this being the gayest Star Wars ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Because nerds are gay.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, some nerds are very not gay and are very

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<v Speaker 6>threatened by.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, that's true, but in my world nerds are gay.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I don't think so, And yet people have told

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<v Speaker 10>me that it's the gayest Star Wars, and I'm frankly.

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<v Speaker 6>Into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the original Star Wars movies, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>they had Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, who were famously

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<v Speaker 3>good at does this new series, Acolyte features amndless Stenberg,

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<v Speaker 3>who's famously non binary and gay, Charlie Bunnett, who famously

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<v Speaker 3>came out as gay when he was thirteen, and Abigail Thorne,

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<v Speaker 3>who's famously transgendered. So it's very inclusive, very diverse, and

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<v Speaker 3>very boring. They spend one hundred and eighty million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>on eight episodes, and no one watched it. Liz, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you wonder if Lucas is just like, why did

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<v Speaker 6>I sell this?

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<v Speaker 5>Why did I sell.

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<v Speaker 6>This to Disney? He would have seen this in the

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<v Speaker 6>water right well, the tea leaves, because it was only

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of years ago that one of the directors

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<v Speaker 6>at Disney announced to the world. It made headlines that

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<v Speaker 6>she wanted fifty percent of characters in the children's movies,

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<v Speaker 6>all the cartoons, as well as massive franchises like Star

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<v Speaker 6>Wars to be fifty percent LGBTIQ. Now in the acolyte.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd say it's more than fifty percent. They went for

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<v Speaker 6>gold and lo and behold, shock and surprise. It's an

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<v Speaker 6>absolute failure. People do not like this. Disney already knows

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<v Speaker 6>this though, because they've had several bombs at the box

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<v Speaker 6>office as they keep trying to put this kind of

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<v Speaker 6>ideology into their movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents don't like it. Kids.

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<v Speaker 6>Who knows if it goes over their heads or they're

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<v Speaker 6>actually indoctrinated by it. But this has not been a

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<v Speaker 6>winner at the box office for as long as Disney

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<v Speaker 6>has tried it on, and yet they just keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you love losing? What's going on? Disney? We'll just

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<v Speaker 2>let them keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Just waste as much money as possible until you can't

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<v Speaker 4>make films and crappy television programs anymore, go back and

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<v Speaker 4>destroy good things like Star Wars. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a classic case of go work.

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<v Speaker 2>Go broke, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I love when this happens because it proves that

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<v Speaker 4>the consumer is not in the same place as the big.

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<v Speaker 2>People and the big corporates.

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<v Speaker 4>And there are lots of people sitting in boardrooms around

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<v Speaker 4>Australia and around the world at these big corporates who are,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, well into their sixties and seventies and perhaps

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 4>have lost touch a little bit, and they get these

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 4>hip young things, you've just come out of university, and

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<v Speaker 4>they walk into the boardroom and they go, I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to tell you how to get in touch with the

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<v Speaker 4>young people, the youths, and they say, we've just got

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<v Speaker 4>to put more gay characters in. We've just got to

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<v Speaker 4>have like lesbian scenes where women get pregnant by looking

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<v Speaker 4>at the moon and shouting things right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they go, oh, yeah, let's go on board

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<v Speaker 2>with that. We're going to get the young viewers.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the young viewers don't tune in because when

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<v Speaker 4>you turn on the telly, you go home at night, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you sit down. You're sitting there now with a glass

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<v Speaker 4>of red in hand, or I hope you've got a

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<v Speaker 4>glass of red in hand, or a whiskey or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty well, you pay the kids to bed. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>watch sober.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you're watching sober, then then good luck to you,

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 4>because it's not a good so you're doing. I'm saying

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 4>you need to drink in order to watch this program,

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 4>but it does sometimes help. But you know, you want

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 4>a bit of entertainment. You turn on the TV to

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<v Speaker 4>watch Star Wars. You know you don't want this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>shoved down your throat.

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>You just want to sit back and relax and not

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<v Speaker 2>really have to think about anything.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're like, oh, geez, Star Wars, I remember Anakin Skywalker, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's like some weird lesbian pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you was drinking though. And that's the review

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<v Speaker 3>of Acolyte, who was writing for the Mashable website.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 3>It says, despite plenty of real world evidence that queer

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<v Speaker 3>people and queer animals exist all over the globe, there

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<v Speaker 3>aren't any queer folk in an entire galaxy.

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<v Speaker 5>That's absurd.

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 3>This galaxy is the galaxy that had Jabber the Hut

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<v Speaker 3>Darth Vader.

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<v Speaker 5>It's science fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not meant to reflect you know, San Francisco diversity

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<v Speaker 3>and inclusion.

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<v Speaker 6>No, okay, galacy far far away. It doesn't help that

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<v Speaker 6>the main character of the Acolyte loves to indulge in

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit of casual races.

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<v Speaker 2>Check it out. When people watch the Heat, you give,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you want them to walk away with? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I know everyone has a slightly different feeling well.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean white people crying actually was the goal. It's

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<v Speaker 5>okay when they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just unbelievab.

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<v Speaker 6>They were talking about another movie that she'd start in.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, the hate you give, do not watch it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's actually been banned several places. No, seriously, it has

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<v Speaker 6>been because there's quite.

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<v Speaker 2>A few untoward things in it.

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<v Speaker 6>But it is so funny if that was two white

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<v Speaker 6>people saying, well, the point of my movie was to.

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<v Speaker 2>Make black people cry.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah, you'd be fired, you would.

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<v Speaker 6>Not get to come into work the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, keep spending your money. Just keep

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>doing it. We love it. Spend as much money as

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>we do a bug light.

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Just waste it all until you've got nothing left to give.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>We're a very odd story about a TV into Christy

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<v Speaker 4>Kirsty sorry Alsop is her name, and she allowed her

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen year old son to go on a trip across

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 4>Europe with a mate. Now, once upon a time, many

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<v Speaker 4>of you at home would remember school holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you'd be on.

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<v Speaker 4>Your bike after breakfast, out playing with your mates, and

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 4>mama'd say be home for tea at six pm. No

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<v Speaker 4>one was tracking where you were. No one cared where

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 4>you were. You were trusted to look after yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Now at piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifteen, his mate who he went away with is sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you can have a job at sixteen, you

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<v Speaker 4>can leave school at sixteen, Lots of things you can

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<v Speaker 4>do at sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think you could be.

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<v Speaker 4>Trusted to go on a trip away by yourself. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>a way for about a month. Well, when her son

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<v Speaker 4>got back, she received a call from Social Services saying,

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<v Speaker 4>we're a bit concerned about the welfare of your fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>year old son because you allowed him to go away

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<v Speaker 4>on his own. How do you put trust in your child?

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<v Speaker 4>We do not do that anymore. She was flabbergasted to

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<v Speaker 4>receive this phone call. Someone obviously had made a report

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<v Speaker 4>to Social services and this social worker calls her up

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<v Speaker 4>and she said in response, I knew we were becoming

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<v Speaker 4>a more risk averse culture in the UK and the US.

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<v Speaker 4>My time in Switzerland has taught me a lot there

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<v Speaker 4>as in Japan, children walk to school alone. Oh my god,

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 4>can you believe it? They're trusted to go to school

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<v Speaker 4>alone and are encouraged to learn early to be self

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<v Speaker 4>sufficient and trusted to make sensible choices. The silver lining

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<v Speaker 4>to this cloud is that everyone stops and thinks about

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<v Speaker 4>the freedoms we had as children and ask what harm

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 4>could be done not by the freedoms, but by the

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<v Speaker 4>restrictions and fears we are imposing on our kids. He'd

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<v Speaker 4>been away for three weeks with a mate, so he

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<v Speaker 4>had someone with him.

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<v Speaker 2>That she trusted.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, I'm sure he wasn't in communicado. She could have

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<v Speaker 4>phoned him at any time. You could have phoned her

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<v Speaker 4>at any time to say, Mum, I'm in a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Come and help me. Whatever. We wrap kids now in

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 2>so much cotton book.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 4>You go to a playground, they've ripped out all the

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<v Speaker 4>good equipment, the monkey bars, you know those spinning things again.

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<v Speaker 4>You fly off one hundred miles an hour because, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, a kid might break some bones. Parents are

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<v Speaker 4>worried to let their kids play in the street.

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you might get hit by a car.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 4>Kids aren't allowed to go walking on their own or

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<v Speaker 4>with a mate.

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>When the young anymore goes, oh my god, you might

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<v Speaker 2>get abducted. Oh there might be some violent crime.

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<v Speaker 4>You look statistically violent crime, abductions, assault, etc. Happens at

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<v Speaker 4>a lower rate than it has it any other time

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<v Speaker 4>in recorded criminal history.

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<v Speaker 2>We have less to worry about them, we ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Have, But we now force kids into a basically lifelong childhood.

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 4>We don't give them any responsibility, and then we wonder

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<v Speaker 4>why they grow up to be absolute squibs who can't

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<v Speaker 4>hack it in the workplace, have to be reassured every

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<v Speaker 4>five minutes, because they never just sort of chucked out

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<v Speaker 4>into the world and told we'll go and fend for yourself.

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 4>Mother actually says to a sonk I trust you. I'm

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 4>putting some trust in you to go away for three

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 4>weeks with your mate, and she cops a phone call

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 4>from child Services saying we think he's in danger.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd be proud as punch if I was Kirsty Alstot.

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<v Speaker 2>Check out this tweet.

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<v Speaker 6>She said, my little boy has returned from three weeks interrailing.

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<v Speaker 6>Will be sixteen on Wednesday. So we went with a

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<v Speaker 6>mate who's already sixteen due to hostile travel restrictions. But

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<v Speaker 6>they organize the whole thing themselves. Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Marseilles, Toulouse,

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<v Speaker 6>Barcelona and Madrid.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had a kid who.

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<v Speaker 6>Was capable of organizing a triplight that you know you've

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 6>done right as a parent, because that is a responsible

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 6>young man in the making. And let's not forget what

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 6>kids of yesteryear were capable of. Check Out this sixteen

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 6>year old post World War Two being interviewed and telling

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<v Speaker 6>everyone proudly he lied said he was eighteen when he

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<v Speaker 6>was only fourteen because he wanted to serve his country.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Willey, how old were you when you invested in

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<v Speaker 1>the army?

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<v Speaker 2>I was fourteen, sir, fourteen.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>How did you get in when you were fourteen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I went to Puriosir, and told the recruiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Officer there that I was eighteen, so he let me in.

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<v Speaker 1>How many combat missions were you on in over enemy territory?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty two, Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two?

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<v Speaker 1>Where were they? Mostly? Mostly they were in Africa, Sir Cicily, Cicily, Pandelurian, Sardinia.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you got a girl back home, nor, sir? Girls

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<v Speaker 2>don't bother me in much.

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<v Speaker 6>A parents, stop infantilizing your children, especially your boys. They

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 6>are young men in the making, and I think the

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<v Speaker 6>more responsibility that they're given from a young age. We're

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<v Speaker 6>no longer talking about eight year olds working full time

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 6>as chimney sweets in Charles Dickens type England, freezing to

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 6>death and dying in chimneys. We are talking about young

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<v Speaker 6>men who are well and truly capable of shouldering responsibility.

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<v Speaker 6>And this also comes down to parental discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>We all boys would be up.

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<v Speaker 6>To this, but hers clearly was in her humble opinion,

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<v Speaker 6>and off they went and nothing bad happened.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing this mum has done is guaranteed that

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<v Speaker 3>she won't have a thirty year old sitting in her

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<v Speaker 3>basement playing.

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<v Speaker 5>Video games in the future.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 3>The strange part about this story, though, and you read

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 3>out the tweet where she was boasting about her son's

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 3>European adventure, But it was because of that tweet I

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 3>believe that the complaint came. So the complaint to social services.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it because someone saw this kid alone on a train,

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<v Speaker 3>or someone saw this kid wondering around Barcelona without supervision.

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 3>The complaint to social services came when someone read the

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 3>tweet and thought, oh.

0:35:58.239 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 5>You shouldn't treat your son like that.

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<v Speaker 3>By that time, he was home safely, no harm had

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 3>been done. He'd been successful in his journey. But now

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 3>there's a record with social Services that will remain open

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<v Speaker 3>for the next number of years, just in case, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess she sends him on another Karen.

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<v Speaker 6>Who can play year old son who is utterly useless

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 6>and can't even tie his own shoelaces. Probably just incredibly jealous,

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 6>being like, well, well, she's just a terrible mother exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to go to a break.

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, we'll look at what's making news

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 3>in tomorrow's papers, including Deputy Green's leader Marine Ferruki to

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<v Speaker 3>investigate anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>start with the Adelaide Advertiser. And so Caleb Bond always

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 3>bags reading the Adelaide News because you love Adelaide so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, and you can catch my column and the

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<v Speaker 4>Advertiser every Friday. And we've got two Southustralian legends on

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 4>the front of the tars it's more Maggie Year unfortunately

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.439
<v Speaker 4>has had a fall at home, but she is recovering well.

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 4>We are told, Get well Maggie and Graham Corn's in

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom right hand corner there, of course, the inaugural

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<v Speaker 4>coach of the Adelaide, Crows and great from Glenelgin. The

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<v Speaker 4>Sandfill has apparently sadly separated from his wife Nicole. But

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<v Speaker 4>as it says there, he hopes it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the end.

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<v Speaker 4>Thinking of you, Cornsey, you're a good feller. But the

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<v Speaker 4>splash tomorrow Holy Cow bills rise. Iconic fruit and dairy

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 4>business Nippies monthly power bill has more than doubled in

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 4>an electricity cost crisis gripping the agriculture industry. The managing

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 4>director says, basically, what's happened is they had a previous

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 4>contract that ended last year in December. That meant they

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 4>got a good rate on their electricity.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>When that ended, the.

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 4>Monthly bill doubled from fifty one thousand, six hundred to

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and nine thousand and five hundred and eighty,

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 4>despite the fact that they install called a million dollars

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 4>worth of solar panels and actually using less electricity than

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.760
<v Speaker 4>they were before. Now Nippi's is a great South Australian company.

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm quite partial to a Nippy's iced honeycomb milk. If

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 4>you haven't had one, I recommend you give it a go.

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 4>But this is the reality for business and Nippe's is

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 4>a reasonably big business. But can you imagine if you

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 4>were a small business and you've taken every measure you

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 4>possibly can the solar panels, et cetera, to try to

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 4>cut your costs, and your power deal changes and overnight

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 4>your power costs double. It would be impossible for so

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 4>many businesses to stay afloat. It's just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, turn you plibosec would say that they should be grateful.

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Imagine if I haven't spent a million dollars on solar panels,

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 3>imagine how big their bill would be then, So they've

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 3>actually saved money, Liz, it's all about perspective, you see.

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, this article says dairy farmer's bills have sawed past

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.439
<v Speaker 6>one hundred thousand dollars a year. I hate how much

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<v Speaker 6>farmers in this country are dutted by our governments. I mean,

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 6>you'd think, sure, okay, energy has gone up for everyone,

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 6>But when we're talking about the people who manufacture our food,

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 6>shouldn't there be some allowances made because that's kind of important.

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>We already know.

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<v Speaker 6>That they're dutted by the supermarkets, especially if you're a

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 6>dairy farmer. Those guys pay nothing for the milk.

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:24.840
<v Speaker 5>That we buy.

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 6>It's utterly ridiculous. Remember the milk wars of two thousand

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 6>and ten. It ain't much better now, if at all.

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 6>And they're constantly told these stupid promises. Government never comes

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 6>good on that turn around all we're burning live export now,

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 6>nobody gets a heads up. Entire industries are just gutted,

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 6>and then they rock up to these rural festivals and

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 6>stuff like, oh shake my hand, press the flesh, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just here.

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 2>For photo ops.

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<v Speaker 6>I wish they'd just be booed out of the rural

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<v Speaker 6>areas because never before have I seen governments do less

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 6>for the farmers in this country. And we call a

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 6>lot of people the backbone of Australia, but who more

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 6>than our farmers. If it weren't for them, we'd all

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 6>be dead, literally dead, and yet nothing.

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Thank God, that renewable energy is the cheapest form of

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 3>energy known to man and we're all reaping the benefits

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>of it. Let's go to the Canberra Times where the

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<v Speaker 3>headline reads Civic stadium nudges three billion dollars. You've got

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<v Speaker 3>my attention already. How can canber acquire a.

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<v Speaker 5>Stadium three billion dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>Worth.

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 3>The Opta Stadium in Perth, which is magnificent, cost one

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 3>point six billion dollars and seat sixty thousand people. This

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 3>one's only going to seat thirty thousand. The article reads,

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<v Speaker 3>the cost of a new stadium in Civic could be

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<v Speaker 3>close to three billion dollars. The ACD government has revealed

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<v Speaker 3>in a set of figures significantly higher than previous estimates.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 3>So three billion dollars a thirty thousand seat stadium. And

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<v Speaker 3>here's the kicker, the cost is almost four hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>higher than the government had originally forecast just a few

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago. So this is a highly unusual story, Caleb,

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<v Speaker 3>where you've got government cost estimates blowing out by four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>This is very unusual. We don't really see this around

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<v Speaker 5>the country.

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<v Speaker 3>In Victoria or Queensland, governments tend to be fairly on

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 3>the money, were doing their costing.

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<v Speaker 2>We've never heard of a cost blowout in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it come to three billion dollars? That is

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<v Speaker 2>three billion dollars?

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<v Speaker 4>Now we go back to talking about the Gay Games

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 4>earlier and what Victoria originally budgeted to put on the

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 4>Commonwealth Games.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 2>It was what two point six billion or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So for the cost of what originally they thought,

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 4>I mean they said seven billion. Later I think the

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 4>number was just sort of plucked out of the ass.

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:52.439
<v Speaker 2>It's not real.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>But for two point six billion dollars they were supposedly

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 4>going to put on the entire Commonwealth games, including the

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 4>infrastructure camera. They want to build a stadium and it

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 4>costs three billion dollars. Now, you pointed out what it

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.280
<v Speaker 4>costs to build up the stadium in Perth when Adelaide

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 4>Oval was upgraded, and I will admit that it was

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 4>a bit over a decade ago, but that cost him

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 4>about five hundred and thirty million dollars. How do you

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 4>possibly get to three billion dollars?

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 2>And who the hell is going to go to a.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Three billion dollar stadium in canbra I'd go once just

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 4>to check it out to see what a three billion

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 4>dollars stadium look like.

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>But that is inside.

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<v Speaker 3>If you supported the Canberra Raiders, I guess you'd be

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 3>pretty happy with it. And which AFL team plays in

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 3>camberra gws?

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think they that they'd spend three billion.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Dollars out where is it Homebush? I hate watching Great

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Western City in that stadium.

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You love watching gws old one.

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 5>Hundred dollars towards the three billion dollar costmes.

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 6>The only ones worth watching to the front page of

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 6>the Herald Sun.

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Now will smoke you out.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 6>You crackdown on organized crime gangs illicit tobacco trade as

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 6>authority sees almost five billions cigarettes at border in past

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 6>three years. Organized crime gangs are smuggling unprecedented amounts of

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 6>tobacco into Australia, with authorities revealing they have seized almost

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 6>five billion cigarettes at the border in the last three years.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you blame them with the excise? Okay, I'm not

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 6>making excuses for this, but sis, there's like with the

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 6>excise placed on cigarettes, the tax on tobacco in austrauct

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 6>You talk to any pom, for instance, and you tell

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 6>them that a pack of twenty five cigarettes you're looking

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 6>at around fifty five dollars, They literally you see their

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 6>heads explode. I don't know if we have the most

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 6>expensive cigarettes in the world, but we have got to

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 6>be up there.

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>It is some of the highest costs in the world.

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 6>And no wonder the chop chop shows just like this

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 6>place is fertile brand.

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and the insanity of it is that the government says, oh,

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 4>we've got to have this high excise to discourage people

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 4>from smoking. No, the high tobacco excise is not about

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 4>discouraging people from smoking. It's because the government is more

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 4>interested in the coffers, coowfers than the coffers, cough s

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 4>or ers, because they're making shard loads of money out

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 4>of it, lots and lots of money. That's what it's

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 4>all about. They know people are addicted and so they

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 4>just want to eat every last cent out of them

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:36.919
<v Speaker 4>that they can.

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 2>The illegal tobacco I was going to say industry, it's

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>not really an industry.

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 4>It's criminality, but it has exploded in Australia. Something like

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 4>twenty percent of the entire tobacco market in Australia now

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 4>is illegal cigarettes. People would buy the legal product if

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.439
<v Speaker 4>they could, but they can't afford it, so they buy

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 4>the illegal product, and in the process the government actually

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 4>dug itself out of tax that it otherwise would have

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 4>earned if it had had a lower exercise.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>You look at the US.

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 4>Where a packet of daries is about twelve bucks as

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.839
<v Speaker 4>opposed to the forty fifty odd that it is here,

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 4>and the smoking rates are pretty much the same in

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 4>Australia and the US, so it doesn't actually make a

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.720
<v Speaker 4>difference to whether or not people smoke. It's just government greed.

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.439
<v Speaker 4>And in the process of this government greed, they put

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.959
<v Speaker 4>money in the hands of biking gangs.

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>And organized crime. Well done.

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 4>The government via the tobacco excise is funding sex trafficking

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 4>and slavery and rape and murder.

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>In this country. Well done federal government.

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Now we didn't quite get to the Australian, but the

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Australian's worth getting tomorrow, including the story on Marine Ferruki

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 3>being appointed to a committee to investigate can you believe it?

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Anti Semitism? It's well worth the read tomorrow.

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 5>We're going to go to a break. When we come back.

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Some Sunshine Coast fishermen they film a great white shark

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 3>attacking their votes. We'll show you the footage. Just a monment,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, welcome back. Let's talk about pets. Elizavie ever

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 3>had a pet of her dog's never a Catwe I

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 3>love a.

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Good dogg oh story.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 6>We never had a dog because my mum would always

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 6>tell us, if there's gonna be another pair of legs

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 6>running around here.

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Old be another baby.

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 6>She meant it too, the seven of us, but to

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 6>the States now with this dog, his name is Roger

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 6>was fired at a very young age by the narcotic

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 6>squad because he was just way too friendly. But he's

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 6>found he is calling as a search and rescue dog.

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 6>Now heralded as a hero.

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 10>Roger was called to duty earlier this year when a

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 10>deadly seven point four magnitude earthquake hit eastern Taiwan. For days,

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 10>Roger and his teammates, including a terrier named Wilson, Sniffed

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 10>and Claude, have rubble in the mountains to find victims

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 10>trapped by landslides. Because its meal, he showed no fear

0:46:58.600 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 10>or reluctance.

0:46:59.360 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 4>He says.

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 10>He's truly an outstanding search and rescue dog.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you imagine him? He's now Look at me now, haters,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 6>if you're a narcotic squad, look at me now. On

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:12.839
<v Speaker 6>international to either.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was growing up, we had a German shepherd

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 3>that we got from the Double A f It was

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 3>meant to be a security dog, but it wasn't vicious enough,

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.439
<v Speaker 3>so we ended up with it. It was a great dog,

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 3>beautiful dog.

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you thought, well, I'll get that. That'll be

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 4>good for me when the crims come knock and he

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 4>won't be doing anything. What's the point of having a

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 4>dog if it's not going to attack someone for even say,

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 4>but good on your roger.

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 2>The guy has two cats.

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm more useful, but expecting the cats to defend me.

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 4>If I was going to have a dog, I'm not

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 4>going to have some yappy, little chiuala rat looking thing.

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 4>That the German shepherd was not vicious the looind of

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 4>a German shepherd.

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<v Speaker 2>Lictim to it.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been up in Queensland as you heard for the

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 4>last week. It was lovely and I saw a few crocs.

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.280
<v Speaker 4>But one thing I didn't see was a great white

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 4>shark unfortunately.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, it depends on the perspective.

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 4>These fellows were out in the Timmy on the weekend

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 4>off the Sunshine Coast.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>They certainly saw a great white Holy goo, whoa, whoa,

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>it is bit more boat. It is a bit more boat.

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Well that's what the great we did timmy bow. He

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>smashed me.

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 4>If that was me, I not only have a scuffed

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 4>up boat, I would have underwear in need of replacing.

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Suspect they drop a.

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<v Speaker 3>Hook in there anyway. That's it from us stick Around.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up is The Reader Penny Show.