Speaker 1: I got our you, Bloody Champions. Welcome to another installment
Speaker 1: of the project. That is Ukraig Athey Harper, Patrick James Bonillo.
Speaker 1: We are sans Tiffany and Cook. That is, we are
Speaker 1: without Tiffany and Cook because she's selfishly trapsing around the
Speaker 1: world International Bloody Explorer that she is currently. I think
Speaker 1: he's still in India. She's coming back very soon, in
Speaker 1: the next day or two. But you know, where you
Speaker 1: and I are is not quite as exotic, Patrick, But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: you know, we do what we can.
Speaker 2: I'm in little old ba Land and our western Melbourne.
Speaker 2: But I was just excited this morning that I bucketed
Speaker 2: down last night and then I got my weather radar
Speaker 2: map and I worked out that there was going to
Speaker 2: be a break in the weather while I was walking Fritz.
Speaker 2: So life is good when you can take the Fritzmeister
Speaker 2: out for a walk. He's got a new buddy. We
Speaker 2: got a friend, Heather. She's got a new puppy. And
Speaker 2: I know we were talking about dogs in the last episode,
Speaker 2: but puppy's a maniacs, aren't they. I know. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to alienate our audience who don't have dogs, but gee, man,
Speaker 2: when you got a like a three or four month
Speaker 2: old puppy, poor Fritz is just being jumped on and
Speaker 2: rolled over and he's so good. So yeah, puppy's a
Speaker 2: whole new experience.
Speaker 1: Did he love his little sojourn this morning? You take
Speaker 1: him out every day? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just sending you something now, which is terribly bad.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's bad radio, but fuck you
Speaker 1: and I it's like we I think I just sent
Speaker 1: you to Did you just get two pictures? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Waiting, I'm scared. Oh here we go.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, So here's what I want to so
Speaker 1: p this somewhere. I was thinking of redesigning the dashound,
Speaker 1: right or the ductionund? Right? Yeah, So I said to
Speaker 1: chat GPT, can you create a cartoon image of a
Speaker 1: ductionund with six legs? And so then it sent me
Speaker 1: that image. Now I've already put this up on funt,
Speaker 1: which is just a comic. It's got four legs, so
Speaker 1: I go, it doesn't and then it's like, is there
Speaker 1: anything else you need to help with? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have six legs. So it did me an
Speaker 1: image everyone, but it just was a regular dash und
Speaker 1: with four legs. And then I.
Speaker 2: Saw, what what have you created? It looks like a millipede,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's when I said, Okay, so it sent me an image.
Speaker 1: I feel like people are going, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: he talking about? All right, so I typed into chat GPT,
Speaker 1: can you create a cartoon image of a dash und
Speaker 1: with six legs? Because I thought that would be funny,
Speaker 1: because I think having two extra legs in the middle
Speaker 1: is helpful in terms of engineering and design. Not that
Speaker 1: God doesn't know what he's doing or she's doing, but anyway.
Speaker 1: And then so it did me an image, but just
Speaker 1: a regular dashund. And then I said, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: six legs, and then it did one with about twenty legs.
Speaker 2: It's got I just counted, it's got thirteen legs. It's
Speaker 2: got five on the ground and other appendages are just
Speaker 2: floating in mid air. One's coming out of its back,
Speaker 2: so yeah, underneath the tail, it's pooping out one leg. Wow.
Speaker 2: If that came towards you, man, would you run in
Speaker 2: the other direction? But you've got no chance with that.
Speaker 1: Well, I still think the idea of chat GBT being
Speaker 1: a thousand times smarter than you and me. I think
Speaker 1: it's still got some work to do before it gets there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with that. It's funny. I've got
Speaker 2: a story that I was going to talk about at
Speaker 2: some point during the show, so I might as well
Speaker 2: just jump into it, because I know we've got other
Speaker 2: stuff to talk about too. But do you remember about
Speaker 2: two years ago there was a guy who entered a
Speaker 2: piece of artwork into the Colorado State Fair that was
Speaker 2: actually AI generated. All this controversy came out. Artists said,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that style is similar to my style,
Speaker 2: and the AI had been trained on existing artworks, and
Speaker 2: so this guy tried to pass it off and then
Speaker 2: admitted that he had used a program called mid Journey.
Speaker 2: And now though he then tried to have the image
Speaker 2: copyrighted on the basis this guy by the name of
Speaker 2: Jason Allen, he basically said, look, I did get mid
Speaker 2: Journey to create the original, but that I had to
Speaker 2: keep prompting it. And he claims it took him one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten hours of work to end up with
Speaker 2: the final piece, and he was just using this AI
Speaker 2: prompt and refining and refining and refining and that's how
Speaker 2: long it took. It sounds like he's pretty average at
Speaker 2: doing AI generation. But anyway, so now, but the copyright
Speaker 2: authority said, no, it's not going to happen. We are
Speaker 2: definitely not going to be fooled. This is not really
Speaker 2: a human generated piece of artwork. So the copyright office
Speaker 2: basically refused to register. It's called Theater de Opera Spatial
Speaker 2: and it looks pretty good if you want to look
Speaker 2: it up, Theatre de Opera spatial, and it's quite an
Speaker 2: interesting looking piece of artwork. It's these people in flowing
Speaker 2: gowns and a portal looking through this mystical window. It's
Speaker 2: actually it's stunning and it looks like it's been painted,
Speaker 2: but obviously it's all been generated using AI. But what
Speaker 2: this guy's kind of arguing is this is AI is
Speaker 2: just a tool like any tool that's out there, and
Speaker 2: it takes a lot of human input to come up
Speaker 2: with this. In fact, one hundred and ten hours to
Speaker 2: come up with this particular piece of what he created
Speaker 2: he claims is a unique artwork.
Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm just looking at it right now. Did
Speaker 1: you say Theater de Opera spatial.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. So it's just pow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that is what I'm looking at. Sorry, is
Speaker 1: that an actual painting that he ripped off or is
Speaker 1: that what he created?
Speaker 2: He created with AI?
Speaker 1: So this is all It's amazing.
Speaker 2: It is amazing. I know, I think it's super cool,
Speaker 2: But that's amazing. It's all been created using AI. And
Speaker 2: the argument is that elements of that painting have been
Speaker 2: borrowed from other artists. Because so what you've got to
Speaker 2: realize is that these AI models are chain on real
Speaker 2: world experience. So if I wanted to create the voice
Speaker 2: of a middle aged, handsome man sipping coffee, wearing glasses
Speaker 2: with an Everlast T shirt, then potentially, you know, enough
Speaker 2: samples of a new project could generate a voice like yours.
Speaker 2: But in the case of artworks, if you're training a
Speaker 2: particularly say Van Goch, I mean early in the piece,
Speaker 2: I was doing lots of Schnauzers in Van goth style.
Speaker 2: Because of course I.
Speaker 1: Can I just say that sentence that just came out
Speaker 1: of your mouth. In the history of humankind, nobody has
Speaker 1: ever fucking said, you know, my early days, I was
Speaker 1: doing a lot of schnauzers in Van Goff style. That
Speaker 1: is those ridiculous fucking sentence, let alone on this podcast.
Speaker 2: You know, the funny thing is people say that to
Speaker 2: me a lot, that they never thought that the words
Speaker 2: that come out of my mouth have ever been uttered
Speaker 2: by anybody else.
Speaker 1: It's true, not in that particular, not in that sequence.
Speaker 1: But what I want to say is this, I want
Speaker 1: to challenge you, right, No, not you, just the idea
Speaker 1: that you know, this was done by AI, built on
Speaker 1: perhaps other kinds of styles, used original styles, and then
Speaker 1: he he allegedly over one hundred and ten hours, back
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. It could be argued that
Speaker 1: just like a paintbrush is a tool, just like a
Speaker 1: keyboard is a tool for writing, just like a knife
Speaker 1: is a tool for carving or whatever, that AI is
Speaker 1: also a tool for creating things. Now, if you say, yeah,
Speaker 1: but this was kind of ripping off different styles of
Speaker 1: existing original art and artist, which I agree. I agree,
Speaker 1: But then like I think about this, So if that's
Speaker 1: true and he's a fraud, then I'm a fraud. And
Speaker 1: I tell you why, because when it comes to sharing
Speaker 1: things with the world, almost none of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I share is It's not like I invented these ideas
Speaker 1: or these strategies or the or psychology. Like everything is
Speaker 1: built on everyone else's work, you know, and I think that.
Speaker 1: You know, show me a self help book that has
Speaker 1: got no unoriginal ideas. It doesn't exist. You know, all
Speaker 1: the psychology books, all the human behavior books, they're taking
Speaker 1: on stuff that was done by other people.
Speaker 2: Well, it could be argued that Elon Musk's Tesla has
Speaker 2: been a direct ripoff of ug the caveman who chiseled
Speaker 2: out the very first wheel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that's well, that's ridiculous, but not really.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that, by the way,
Speaker 1: that is a fucking amazing looking image. It's called Theater
Speaker 1: de Opera spatial everyone. I would love a print of that.
Speaker 1: That is an amazing thing.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what I think is good is this dude
Speaker 1: created this, Yes, with Ai, but he conceptualized what he
Speaker 1: wanted it to look like. Well, I would buy that.
Speaker 2: I would buy that because if you want to buy that,
Speaker 2: I will sell you my schnauzer flying past Saturn in
Speaker 2: a medieval costume on Sputnik.
Speaker 3: See, but I'm not interested in that, see me, and
Speaker 3: no one in the world is interested in your fucking
Speaker 3: schnauzer in orbit right, And by the way, that sounds
Speaker 3: like some sexual faux pa your Schnauzer in orbit.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, those terms that I have used
Speaker 2: are totally unique in humanity. Well I can guarantee you
Speaker 2: almost that no one ever in the history of humanity
Speaker 2: has ever visualized that. And then consequently Aid generated a
Speaker 2: picture of motion now as a on spot Nick flying
Speaker 2: past Satin in a medieval costume, a medieval space suit.
Speaker 1: A good reason. A good reason.
Speaker 2: It insight the way my mind works.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to tell you something which has got
Speaker 1: nothing to do with tech, but so this morning, and
Speaker 1: I just think this is interesting for our audience. And
Speaker 1: by the way, we're probably going to do a longer
Speaker 1: chat today. Everyone just leaning back and turning off my heater.
Speaker 1: I met up with Jan and Ee and Fraser. Do
Speaker 1: you remember Jan and Ene from gym?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah for sure?
Speaker 1: And it's like, what is what is amazing? Let me
Speaker 1: give you the quick backstory. So Jan, for our listeners,
Speaker 1: Jan was a client at my gym, which Patrick also was.
Speaker 1: That's where we met hundred We met there, didn't we?
Speaker 1: I mean, or did I meet you before that? No?
Speaker 1: I met you through the gym, through the gym here,
Speaker 1: and so anyway, Jan was a client. She was around
Speaker 1: fifty at the time, and I remember having a conversation
Speaker 1: with her. It went kind of like this, and she
Speaker 1: said to me she was an actor. She was on television,
Speaker 1: she was in TV shows. She was like a voiceover artist,
Speaker 1: very creative and very well spoken. And I remember her
Speaker 1: saying to me one day, if I was younger, I
Speaker 1: would do this. It's such a great it's such a
Speaker 1: great job being a trainer, right, and helping people and
Speaker 1: talking to people, and she's a great communicator and great
Speaker 1: people person. And at that stage, maybe she was fifty
Speaker 1: two or three, which to me seemed like one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty, right, And I said to her, well, if
Speaker 1: you go and get qualified, I'll give you a job,
Speaker 1: because I knew she'd be a good trainer, even though
Speaker 1: she was in her fifties and had never worked in
Speaker 1: the fitness industry, just because she was a good communicator
Speaker 1: and also very very great awareness, great social skills, and
Speaker 1: also in very good shape. So she went and did
Speaker 1: that and subsequently became a trainer working for me, and
Speaker 1: still exercises and still very fit and trained, was training
Speaker 1: people up until a few years ago. So now she's
Speaker 1: eighty four and her husband, Ian is eighty six, and
Speaker 1: I had coffee with him this morning, and it's hard
Speaker 1: to explain. I cannot do justice to how amazing they are.
Speaker 1: You know, when you see people who are eighty four
Speaker 1: and eighty six and they're still somewhat independent, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I said to phrase Ian, the husband. I said,
Speaker 1: so he's still he's still training. What are you doing
Speaker 1: like he looks amazing? He goes, yeah, I go how
Speaker 1: often he goes? Every day? I go coursier. I go, so,
Speaker 1: so what are you doing? He goes, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: do bike, I do stand up paddle board, and I
Speaker 1: do waits, you know, most days, and he does so
Speaker 1: his cardio is stand up paddle boarding. I said, so,
Speaker 1: so how far? Now? Remember have you ever stood on
Speaker 1: a stand up paddle board?
Speaker 2: Mate? No, no, I've seen it being done. It looks
Speaker 2: bloody hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard. So just for a you know,
Speaker 1: you and me are young compared to him, just standing
Speaker 1: on a paddle board and not falling off. I said,
Speaker 1: how far do you paddle? When he goes, oh, I
Speaker 1: have a set thing. I do up and back it's
Speaker 1: five and a half kilometers. So this eighty six year
Speaker 1: old paddles couple of times a week five and a
Speaker 1: half k's. He does half an hour or so on
Speaker 1: the rower. He gets out and rides about twenty k's
Speaker 1: on his bike. Now we're not talking about an indoor
Speaker 1: we're talking about out, you know, twenty or thirty k's
Speaker 1: on a mountain bike on the road, and he does
Speaker 1: I said, what do your weights look like? He goes,
Speaker 1: I just alternate upper body one day, lower body the
Speaker 1: next seven days a week, and Jam does the same.
Speaker 1: Jam trains with the trainer one day. She trains herself
Speaker 1: twice a week with weights. She trains with remember Silvio
Speaker 1: from my joint, She does boxing with him. And it's
Speaker 1: just like, it's such good evidence that when you just
Speaker 1: keep doing, you know, it's not about being obsessed, but
Speaker 1: just all the things that most people don't do, which
Speaker 1: is exercise consistently, lift weights, eat great, have purpose, be excited.
Speaker 1: You know. I know not everybody can do that for
Speaker 1: medical reasons, but a lot more can do it than
Speaker 1: are doing it. Fucking amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: My favorite story about Jad and I don't know if
Speaker 2: you were there, but I would have it to her
Speaker 2: place for a barbecue and she'd barbecued sweet potato or
Speaker 2: roasted sweet potato in the jackets. But they were really
Speaker 2: thin sweet potato, and I've never managed to get them
Speaker 2: since every sweet potato I've had has always been the big,
Speaker 2: chunky ones. But she had these little, tiny sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2: They were really good.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I love a good sweet potato, and if we're
Speaker 1: getting old, geeky sweet potato, pretty good because you've got
Speaker 1: a lower GI than normal potato, so less sugar and
Speaker 1: less impact on blood sugar, which may is less insulin
Speaker 1: floating around your body, which is good. So if you
Speaker 1: want a potato, have a sweet potato. Everyone, I think
Speaker 1: their GI is around thirty or forty instead of eighty,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of other variables around that.
Speaker 2: But it's good.
Speaker 1: You were just telling me without going too deep before
Speaker 1: we started that a few challenges on planet you with
Speaker 1: the family. Isn't it interesting when people get you know,
Speaker 1: I know, obviously, but your dad's not a spring chicken
Speaker 1: anymore like my dad, and so just that things often
Speaker 1: happen all at once. You've had some issues with your brother.
Speaker 1: Both your brothers to be honest and just trying to navigate,
Speaker 1: you know, out of the relative calm and easiness of life.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden you get hit with about
Speaker 1: three or four things. How's that been for you?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, and I reckon that of our
Speaker 2: listeners there would be a high percentage that have gone
Speaker 2: through similar stuff, but are going through this sort of
Speaker 2: thing where you know, it's the old straw that breaks
Speaker 2: the camel's back. And so look the short without going
Speaker 2: into all the gory details, Dad started experiencing depression and
Speaker 2: things like that and was saying things that were really
Speaker 2: concerning about his health and his state of mental health.
Speaker 2: I guess, but my younger disabled brother lives with him
Speaker 2: at a retirement village, and of course, with Dad then
Speaker 2: not able to look after him, Dad being then taken
Speaker 2: into care, it meant that my disabled brother had to
Speaker 2: move in with my twin brother during the week and
Speaker 2: then coming up to me at the weekends, very different weekends,
Speaker 2: not every weekend, but every second weekend or every other weekend.
Speaker 2: And so we've been juggling that around while we try
Speaker 2: to apply for NDIS funding. We've been knocked back before
Speaker 2: because Dad being one of those proud European baby boomers
Speaker 2: didn't want to admit that his son wasn't able to
Speaker 2: look after himself. So when the ot came out, passion
Speaker 2: or therapist came out, he said, yes, of course Chason
Speaker 2: can make his breakfast. Of course he can shower. Of
Speaker 2: course he knows which shoe to put on which foot,
Speaker 2: you know, all that sort of stuff. And of course
Speaker 2: he doesn't. And that's the shame of it, because you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of baby boomers had to rough it. You know,
Speaker 2: they went through a really tough upbringing. They didn't you know,
Speaker 2: they scrimped and they saved to buy, they worked hard,
Speaker 2: but they have a level of pride. And I know
Speaker 2: your parents are exactly the same. And so our generation
Speaker 2: is kind of coping with the older generation of people
Speaker 2: who are now going into I guess health decline and
Speaker 2: how they cope with that varies from person to person.
Speaker 2: It's the human condition. But everyone wants to maintain their pride,
Speaker 2: and that's what we're going through. So, you know, we're
Speaker 2: hoping that it's three strikes not out when we've put
Speaker 2: in our third application to try to get some sort
Speaker 2: of support, because at the same time and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know, it's a difficult one to kind of talk
Speaker 2: about family and stuff. But my brother, who's primary care
Speaker 2: primarily the care for my disabled brother, has now got
Speaker 2: sick as well. Totally unrelated, but he's got a really
Speaker 2: severe procedure to come up, medical procedure coming up next
Speaker 2: month next month, and so we're kind of working out
Speaker 2: what the heck we're going to be doing with all
Speaker 2: of that. So, yeah, there's lots going on in the
Speaker 2: world of me at the moment. But the more people
Speaker 2: I seem to speak to, and I guess it's because
Speaker 2: people are in the same age demographic as us. A
Speaker 2: lot of people have been doing it hard at the moment,
Speaker 2: whether it's financial. There's pressures. You know, you go to
Speaker 2: the supermarket, you fill up with petrol, and everything's more expensive,
Speaker 2: and I think the cost of living's going up, and
Speaker 2: that creates additional pressures for people. So it is cumulative.
Speaker 2: And I guess let's send out a big hug to everyone.
Speaker 2: I don't really you know, like a you project hug.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that you know, look for
Speaker 2: joy in your day, and for me, that's how I
Speaker 2: get through it. I look for elements of joy. Seeing
Speaker 2: my dog running down the park with a puppy jumping
Speaker 2: all over him, falling over, rolling around. That was an
Speaker 2: hour of joy. Walking with a friend of mine. I'm
Speaker 2: going out with friends for dinner tonight. They've been away
Speaker 2: on holiday, so I get to hang out with them
Speaker 2: for a while. So I think for me, the real yeah,
Speaker 2: the real key to getting through is just looking for
Speaker 2: those little moments. One of the real joys I had yesterday.
Speaker 2: I'm just indulging at the moment, harps. But one of
Speaker 2: the really lovely things that happened to me yesterday is
Speaker 2: a really good friend of mine who's an artist. She
Speaker 2: is part of our tai Chi group and we do
Speaker 2: a couple of different tai chief forms using sticks. But
Speaker 2: what she's done is she's a beautiful artist. She has
Speaker 2: decorated hand painted sticks for all the tai chiese students
Speaker 2: in different themes. So one lady likes frogs and has
Speaker 2: this garden out in the bush and there's lakes and
Speaker 2: you know, lots of native wildlife. Another lady came from Africa,
Speaker 2: from Zimbabwe or anyway one of those z's in and
Speaker 2: hers has got meer kats On it. My tai chi
Speaker 2: teacher has a green drag and that wraps all the
Speaker 2: way around the stick. To paint on a three D
Speaker 2: object is really hard. But then she sits down at
Speaker 2: the person and she comes up with a theme and
Speaker 2: so she wants to submit this artwork and put on
Speaker 2: a unique exhibit at the Ballarat Gallery. And you've got
Speaker 2: to go through this really rigorous process. Obviously they have
Speaker 2: maintained a very high standard and to get community artists
Speaker 2: to be on display. So we helped her do that.
Speaker 2: We recorded it in my new studio setting, which was
Speaker 2: really fun, and we videoed and of course that's a
Speaker 2: challenge in itself, having the sticks move and rotate so
Speaker 2: you can really take best advantage and see all the artwork.
Speaker 2: So that was a real moment of joy for me
Speaker 2: because we've got to spend some time with a friend
Speaker 2: and help her out along with my colleague Robert, and
Speaker 2: we just had the absolute best time just hanging out
Speaker 2: and really enjoying helping somebody who couldn't have done it
Speaker 2: by themselves. And hopefully we'll be able to work with
Speaker 2: her to exhibit. This would be really awesome.
Speaker 1: That's really nice, man, it's really nice. It's like when
Speaker 1: you you know, there's this framework that I talk about
Speaker 1: that I didn't invent. I just kind of put a
Speaker 1: few different people's ideas together and added in my own stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's like this trying to understand yourself and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who you are and what your life
Speaker 1: is about, and what is my purpose? What do I
Speaker 1: think the way I am? What is success for me?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is my existence for?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And it starts with self reflection, and then it goes
Speaker 1: to self awareness, and it goes through all these different
Speaker 1: self stages. And the second last one is self actualization,
Speaker 1: which is you kind of starting to be whatever is
Speaker 1: the best version of you. What that means, you know,
Speaker 1: reaching your goals, building resilient, like becoming the person that
Speaker 1: you really want to be. But the last one, which
Speaker 1: is what you're talking about really, which is self transcendence,
Speaker 1: which is having a purpose bigger than you. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's like, well, you know, like want it
Speaker 1: or not. My life now a fair bit is about
Speaker 1: my mum and dad, and it's going to continue to
Speaker 1: be that way. And I mean I always loved my
Speaker 1: mum and dad, but it now requires you know, a
Speaker 1: fair bit of time, energy, attention, travel, you know, putting
Speaker 1: other things to the side, which is absolutely fine. And
Speaker 1: then but inside of me, I'm a little bit a
Speaker 1: bit of me is like, oh fucking hell, this is
Speaker 1: a fuck But a bit of a bigger bit of
Speaker 1: me is like, how lucky are you that your mum
Speaker 1: and dad are here? How lucky are you that you
Speaker 1: get to spend time with them? Talk to them?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Every time mum rings with like another catastrophe about her phone,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, Mum, your batteries Like this week or
Speaker 1: yesterday was she had a new battery put in her phone,
Speaker 1: which anyway, that's another conversation. But she's like, and now
Speaker 1: screen's dark, the battery doesn't work. The screen's dark. He
Speaker 1: ripped me off. I'm like, it isn't the battery. You've
Speaker 1: you've probably accidentally touched the settings the you know, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't, it's not it's it. I'm going to go up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know. And then so my surrogate
Speaker 1: sister who lives up there near mum, I went, can
Speaker 1: you go over and fix her fucking phone? So she
Speaker 1: goes over. It's literally a sixty second fix and it's
Speaker 1: all better, right, but you can't like the funny thing
Speaker 1: is and God bless her, like you can't even say
Speaker 1: to Mum, Okay, what I want you to do is
Speaker 1: go into settings because and if you've ever seen a
Speaker 1: really I don't mean like you and I well I'm
Speaker 1: older than you, but i mean really old people with
Speaker 1: smartphones tend to tap the screen like a fucking woodpecker.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mum, stop assaulting your phone with your index finger.
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of trying to swipe and you know,
Speaker 1: just gently tap something and just foreign to her. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I go, yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 1: miss all this shit one day. One day, I'm going
Speaker 1: to wish that she would ring me with a catastrophe
Speaker 1: that isn't really a catastrophe.
Speaker 2: You know, I completely understand where you're coming from, but
Speaker 2: I've got to come to her defense as well. Okay,
Speaker 2: when I talk to foodpeckering phones, there's a thing called
Speaker 2: zombie fingers, and it's a real thing. It's where people who,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they don't have the tactile connectivity to
Speaker 2: activate a screen on a phone, they have to press
Speaker 2: harder because their feelings work as well. As other people.
Speaker 2: You know Taur who I do a podcast with, we
Speaker 2: were doing podcasts. She has zombie fingers. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: some people don't whatever it is with their hands. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a circulation thing, but their fingers don't work on
Speaker 2: their phones as well as other people. So maybe mum
Speaker 2: has zombie things.
Speaker 1: So who would have thought that having big, moist, chunky,
Speaker 1: clammy fingers would be advantage?
Speaker 2: He used another appendage on your phone, just wondering, you know,
Speaker 2: an elbow and those in appropriate.
Speaker 1: Patrick, Usually it's me that opens the door and we're
Speaker 1: keeping it closed today. We're trying to keep it family friendly.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about help.
Speaker 2: Clean the screen on your phone because we should clean
Speaker 2: the screens every day, you know what? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I only the only thing I clean, well, I
Speaker 1: do wipe the screen. Can you see this? Little have
Speaker 1: a little yellow rag?
Speaker 2: That's what the hell? Do you clean the rag?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: If it's the same rag you use every day, you're
Speaker 2: not cleaning your phone. You're making it up more dirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just smearing the existing grease up to the corner,
Speaker 1: the finger grease. No, I wash it. I have like
Speaker 1: little terry toweling towel. Everyone that's it's like one of
Speaker 1: those polishing rags that you get from I don't know where,
Speaker 1: but I got a packet of them, like twelve yellow ones,
Speaker 1: and I just every couple of weeks, I just stop
Speaker 1: picking on me.
Speaker 2: You know what, if I opened your cupboard and there
Speaker 2: was like twenty boxes of twelve, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: I do get once I do find something, I tend
Speaker 1: to overbuy. I don't know. This is what I'm like.
Speaker 1: So I'm very boring, but I have most nights I
Speaker 1: have a version of the same thing. I have some
Speaker 1: kind of meat and rice and instead of cooking, you know,
Speaker 1: proper cooking rice from scratch, I just microwave the two
Speaker 1: minute stuff in about the ninety second stuff in a bag.
Speaker 1: And so it's if I find it on special, I'll
Speaker 1: buy fifty.
Speaker 2: I'll buy fifty. You I know that about you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what why not? Like I'm going to
Speaker 1: use them anyway. What's the point of going back every
Speaker 1: five days to get five more when I can buy,
Speaker 1: you know, two months worth in one hit. And by
Speaker 1: the way, they're on special winning.
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know that. I want to
Speaker 2: tell you the first story today, because I'm worried that you,
Speaker 2: with your OCD are going to start to panic and
Speaker 2: look up at the night sky with a worried look
Speaker 2: on your face.
Speaker 1: Do you know, I reckon, I do have a little
Speaker 1: bit of OCD. That might be a I don't but
Speaker 1: I don't know. With some things, I don't give a fuck,
Speaker 1: But with other things, Yeah, there's a little there's a
Speaker 1: little acronym in there that probably needs to be explored,
Speaker 1: all right, tell.
Speaker 2: Me, well, okay, a few days ago, like well, a
Speaker 2: few days ago, about a month ago, an asteroid was
Speaker 2: spotted curved towards the Earth. Astronomers established that it was
Speaker 2: going to hit the planet within ten hours. Right, It
Speaker 2: ended up near the Philippines, an island in the Philippines,
Speaker 2: and it bursted into flames and it came through. Now,
Speaker 2: as it happened, the Earth didn't end. We're here now, right,
Speaker 2: It was not that big. However, the estimate that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff out there that we just can't
Speaker 2: see from Earth, and that's the problem. So what we
Speaker 2: don't know is in the background, and now we will know,
Speaker 2: is that there's an organization called Planetary Defense, or a
Speaker 2: group called planetary Defense and they're working so it's part
Speaker 2: of NASA, and they're working to try to find better
Speaker 2: ways to discover all of those objects that we have
Speaker 2: near missus with. And not that long ago, there was
Speaker 2: a very first project that was done by NASA, and
Speaker 2: what they did was they fired a small probe into
Speaker 2: an asteroid to try to deflect it off course, and
Speaker 2: it did. They worked out that the impact on this
Speaker 2: particular asteroid was enough to nudge it a little bit.
Speaker 2: And so what they're saying is, we know, if we
Speaker 2: have enough warning, we could nudge them out of the way.
Speaker 2: So they're now looking at different ways to track what's
Speaker 2: going on in space. But the interesting thing is this,
Speaker 2: if an asteroid just twenty meters long exploded in the
Speaker 2: sky above us, it would smash windows, knock people on
Speaker 2: their feet. So that's a twenty meter long a fifty
Speaker 2: space rock could decimate a whole town, widespread infrastructure damage, etc.
Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. Now, an asteroid one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty meters in length, if it made its way
Speaker 2: to the ground, would basically slice a hole on the
Speaker 2: face of the planet, probably dinosaur like extinction level events.
Speaker 2: So there's still a lot of this stuff flying around.
Speaker 2: So this new applied science called planetary defense, which is
Speaker 2: exactly I guess what it sounds like, is now being
Speaker 2: employed to try to look for what these asteroids that
Speaker 2: are floating around potentially could get close to the Earth
Speaker 2: and what they would do. So there was this Dart
Speaker 2: mission that I was saying before, and the dart managed
Speaker 2: to detour one of these asteroids, and so the thought
Speaker 2: is there could be fourteen thousand of these that we
Speaker 2: haven't found yet float no happen.
Speaker 1: How about how about you shut the fuck up right
Speaker 1: because now you've just made one hundred people have a
Speaker 1: sleepless night.
Speaker 2: But our say here is this NASA has what they're
Speaker 2: about to launch a new mission within the next ten years,
Speaker 2: the NASA the Near Earth Object Surveyor or the Neo
Speaker 2: Surveyor mission. So it's basically a sniper in space. It's
Speaker 2: going to be hidden and out of space, and within
Speaker 2: they reckon about ten years of being launched, it'll find
Speaker 2: ninety percent of all those city killing asteroids that are
Speaker 2: out there. So relief is on the way. And what
Speaker 2: they've done this is what's really cool about this this
Speaker 2: object is they're going to cover it in a material
Speaker 2: that will make it really cold, really really really cold,
Speaker 2: because it has thermal senses as well as visual sensors,
Speaker 2: and every object that's still floating around does have some
Speaker 2: sort of heat pattern. So the problem is all these
Speaker 2: asteroids are made at different things, and if you use
Speaker 2: optics or different ways to try to detect how large
Speaker 2: they are, if they're made of metal, they will look
Speaker 2: different than if they're made of other materials. So that's
Speaker 2: the problem and the challenge of trying to work out
Speaker 2: how big they are and then find out what their
Speaker 2: trajectory is. So do you feel a little bit better
Speaker 2: that they're now?
Speaker 1: No. I think you brought something to our attention that
Speaker 1: we didn't need to know, and that if an asteroid's
Speaker 1: going to fuck us up, it's going to fuck us up,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think about personally. It reminded me
Speaker 1: of Israel's iron Dome.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yea, I've been looking at it.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like that on steroids. But I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: could you imagine Patrick, the physics, the mathematics that like
Speaker 1: all the algorithms everything, So you've got a thing hurtling
Speaker 1: through space and time that's millions of miles away that
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how fast it's traveling, how
Speaker 1: big it is, its trajectory, and then you've got to
Speaker 1: build something on Earth or shoot something away from Earth
Speaker 1: to meet it at the right you know, so it
Speaker 1: intersects it, it doesn't miss it, and then it hits
Speaker 1: it in the right spot to deflect enough so that
Speaker 1: it misses the Earth. I mean, what imagine the fucking people,
Speaker 1: the geniuses or genie I think the word is imagine
Speaker 1: the genie. I working on that to make that happen
Speaker 1: to me. That's just that's There's been a bunch of
Speaker 1: movies about this too, by the way, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think about nineties maybe the age now it was, it
Speaker 2: would have been the nineties. I reckon the Bruce Willis one.
Speaker 2: What was it the names?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there've been a bunch of them. I just think,
Speaker 1: can I reckon.
Speaker 2: Epoy you more? Can I can I help try to
Speaker 2: reassure you more? So. Mike, one of my closest friends,
Speaker 2: just got back from the UK. I'm catching up with
Speaker 2: him next week. He's a rocket scientist. He's so much
Speaker 2: smarter than me. It does fill me with a hope.
Speaker 1: You say that, like you're surprised. It's like, well, of
Speaker 1: course you didn't even need to point that out to us.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, he's smarter than me, which is incredible.
Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, if you're listening, I'll tell him that we
Speaker 2: gave him a plug in the show. He's really smart. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's so it makes me feel a lot better
Speaker 2: that those sorts of people are around, because they're the
Speaker 2: ones that is sitting at NASA saying, nah, that's no problem.
Speaker 2: It's only four million miles away. On a trajectory of
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the asmuth is this and
Speaker 2: the whatever. You know what I mean. I'm just throwing
Speaker 2: words out now that mean nothing, but they know what
Speaker 2: they mean. So we're fight.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of space, NASA has succeeded allegedly in teleporting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't know what teleporting is the headline, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Actual teleporting. If you ever saw Star Trek,
Speaker 1: anyone is where basically a human is magically transported to
Speaker 1: another place instantly. So it might be from Melbourne to
Speaker 1: New York and they just appear in New York. That's
Speaker 1: called tallyportation. But I feel like that's it hasn't really happened.
Speaker 1: That's just a heading.
Speaker 2: Is it is a heading just to try to catch
Speaker 2: your attention. And there's also a theory that what actually
Speaker 2: happens when you go on the transporter is you are
Speaker 2: destroyed and then rebuilt at the other end, so it's
Speaker 2: actually not you there at the other end. It's a
Speaker 2: fact similar bit.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I can't believe that there's a theory about something
Speaker 1: that isn't real in the first place. That's the dumbest
Speaker 1: shit ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that online. So this is
Speaker 2: called hollow portation, not tallyportation. So it was a bit
Speaker 2: of a tricksy little heading to try to get your attention.
Speaker 2: What NASA is doing is using augmented reality. So they're
Speaker 2: using a thing called hollow lens and micro I've produced
Speaker 2: this and I think they're about the stop production of
Speaker 2: them anyway, So they're using hollow lens.
Speaker 1: And would you say stop or start?
Speaker 2: Stop there's because other stuff's coming out. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: about that later. But what they effectively can do then
Speaker 2: is the you know, the astronauts and cosmonauts that are
Speaker 2: floating above and China hat what are the Chinese astronauts called.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to look that one up.
Speaker 2: If Russians are cosmonauts and the Americans are astronauts anyway,
Speaker 2: that's something for another time.
Speaker 1: But there's fifty things I could say. I'd get in
Speaker 1: trouble for all of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So multiple cameras pointing at a person here and
Speaker 2: you're talking to so not just similar to what we're doing,
Speaker 2: but in three D. And then the person wears a
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset which uses augmented reality. So the difference
Speaker 2: between VR and AAR is when you put on a
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset, it blocks out everything and you create
Speaker 2: a new world in your virtual headset that you can
Speaker 2: engage with augmented reality is you put on a device
Speaker 2: and you can still see everything around you, but an
Speaker 2: object is projected in front of you in three D.
Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing with NASA at the moment.
Speaker 2: So they're using this to help the astronauts who are
Speaker 2: effectively flying around in this tin can, and it means
Speaker 2: that they can have real world conversations. But the person
Speaker 2: they're interacting with, it's not just a zoom call or
Speaker 2: a teams meeting. It's a person hovering in front of them.
Speaker 2: And this is pretty full on because you know, the ISS,
Speaker 2: the International Space Station is flying around like seventeen thousand
Speaker 2: kilometers an hour, so to be able to link up
Speaker 2: to them and have that window where they can have
Speaker 2: this full on conversation and interaction, and this could be
Speaker 2: a way to help astronauts as they travel to you know,
Speaker 2: if you take three or four years to get to Mars,
Speaker 2: they're able to interact with family and friends. That would
Speaker 2: really help a lot when it comes to being lonely
Speaker 2: or feeling isolated, or being stuck in a tin can.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting that they're developing this because
Speaker 2: a lot of the developments that get done for space
Speaker 2: research end up in real world examples for us. So
Speaker 2: when we think, well, that's never going to happen, it's
Speaker 2: too far away, it's on the ISS, the reality of
Speaker 2: it is a lot of the experiments that are going
Speaker 2: on board the International Space Station will have real world
Speaker 2: benefits for us. It's that such that R and D
Speaker 2: that you know, it's the long game where we don't
Speaker 2: specifically think about it. I mean, even the work that
Speaker 2: you're doing could have real world practical applications when it
Speaker 2: comes to understanding about cognitive sense and how we think
Speaker 2: about ourselves and the world around us. You know, that
Speaker 2: could really have far reaching benefits for people, because what
Speaker 2: I love about what you're doing is that no one
Speaker 2: else has done that before in the way that you're
Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah, and that's about research, just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was thinking about you know more about this,
Speaker 1: but I just want to talk about the human side
Speaker 1: of So those two astronauts that flew up, was it
Speaker 1: with Boeing and then they were going to meant to
Speaker 1: be up and back in a week or time and
Speaker 1: something happened. You can tell us there's something I forget.
Speaker 1: But so all of a sudden they went from basically,
Speaker 1: we're doing a quick holiday to space to know, now
Speaker 1: you're fucking stuck here till next year. And of course
Speaker 1: they would have been preparing for I think it was
Speaker 1: meant to be like about ten days in space, and
Speaker 1: now it's going to be the best part of a year.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, man, that's to be able to
Speaker 1: adjust to that emotionally and mentally, is that is a big,
Speaker 1: big challenge, right, That's not a small thing. That's a
Speaker 1: life changing, foreverthing. And I don't know whether or not
Speaker 1: they're great actors, but I saw them being interviewed, or
Speaker 1: at least saw them, you know when. So they've gone
Speaker 1: to stay at the ISS, haven't they International Space Toction.
Speaker 1: That's where they are, and they hooked up with some
Speaker 1: other whatever, the other astronauts up there, and they looked
Speaker 1: so like they have their shit together. I would not
Speaker 1: have my shit together. I don't think if I was,
Speaker 1: or maybe if I was as qualified and as trained
Speaker 1: as them, but yeah, to be able to adapt to
Speaker 1: something as big as that were was like, you'll be
Speaker 1: back on Earth soon, and then no, you're not. You're
Speaker 1: trapped up here. Better than the alternative though, I guess,
Speaker 1: which is blowing up on the way back, because they
Speaker 1: were wouldn't They worried that the that the space capsule
Speaker 1: or whatever would not make it back to Earth, and
Speaker 1: so they hedged their bets and said, look, we're just
Speaker 1: going to plunk you on the space station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not worth the risk. Yeah, they went
Speaker 2: up to the Space station for this mission. But they
Speaker 2: had a fault. I think it was a cool leak
Speaker 2: or something. I can't remember exactly what it was. But
Speaker 2: they repaired it, but they still weren't one hundred percent
Speaker 2: sure the thing with a lot of I mean, space
Speaker 2: is so amazing, and space travel so much work goes
Speaker 2: into it. And I guess, thinking of your you know,
Speaker 2: you were kind of projecting how you would feel being
Speaker 2: up there. My thought is that if you're training to
Speaker 2: do a mission like this and it's only ten days,
Speaker 2: part of the contingency would be what if you are
Speaker 2: stuck there for more than ten days? And I think
Speaker 2: that would have to be part of the training. I
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine sending people up there with that that that
Speaker 2: thought process process being in place. But wow, I couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly imagine what it would be like when you're saying, yeah, look,
Speaker 2: I'll just see you next week, mate, We'll have that coffee,
Speaker 2: won't we down the road, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden that coffee is a year later or six months later.
Speaker 1: Also, when you think about how much we regular humans
Speaker 1: we love certainty and predictability and familiarity. We love to
Speaker 1: know that we kind of want to know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow and we hope it's going to be
Speaker 1: kind of like today, unless today with shit. But you
Speaker 1: know that we are very much hardwired for safety and
Speaker 1: predictability and consistency and certainty. So it must take a
Speaker 1: special sure kind of either person or personality or mindset
Speaker 1: to be able to go. I mean, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you get on a rocket going into space, there's
Speaker 1: a fair chance you're going to die.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not remote chads, Well.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's not like you're getting on
Speaker 1: a bus going to Southland to get some fucking chicken.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's there's a fair few people who
Speaker 1: have died.
Speaker 2: Can I just say? I don't have the figures in
Speaker 2: front of me, but I would suggest that you driving
Speaker 2: to Southland and me flying to the ISS I would
Speaker 2: be safer than you.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think I would.
Speaker 1: I reckon if we go. How many people have been
Speaker 1: in space? Well, we know, was it Challenger twelve that
Speaker 1: blew up?
Speaker 2: It was a Challenger Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: In challenges So that that was eight people?
Speaker 2: Right, yep?
Speaker 1: How many people?
Speaker 2: Five? Not only five? It was from memory?
Speaker 1: How many people? Let's go, I'm going to go right now.
Speaker 2: Siven astronauts don't go chat GEP. Seven astronauts were on
Speaker 2: the challenge. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, how many How many people have died
Speaker 1: in space?
Speaker 2: More? Good? Well I want to know, okay.
Speaker 1: As eighteen astronauts?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's it. But how many people are in space?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well okay, all right, good? How many people have many.
Speaker 2: Apologies to the listeners in space?
Speaker 1: How many people have been in space? Six hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty So six hundred and twenty eighteen, let's round it
Speaker 1: up to twenty. That's a fucking lot of people. That's
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty people going to Southland, and eighteen
Speaker 1: of them are dying. I reckon, I reckon. I'm on
Speaker 1: a better, better course than you can.
Speaker 2: I just say I would still go.
Speaker 1: Well would you? Would you get if you've got a
Speaker 1: chance to go to space for a year?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Actually do we? Sait? So the Columbia disintegrated when it
Speaker 2: re entered the years No, yeah, I'm kind of was mixing. No,
Speaker 2: it's right. Did we say Challenger or Columbia?
Speaker 1: I think we said Challenger.
Speaker 2: It's Columbia. Columbia. It re entered the atmosphere over Texas,
Speaker 2: killing all seven astronauts on board. So actually so there
Speaker 2: were two the Columbia. I'm getting confused anyway, But.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the bottom line is kids stay on Terra Firma.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was the Challenger that blew up when
Speaker 2: it launched, and that must have been in nine and
Speaker 2: eighty six when it because I was I was actually
Speaker 2: camping and didn't know about it till about three or
Speaker 2: four days later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Most fatalities have occurred either during launch or re
Speaker 1: entry rather than in space itself, with the Sawyers eleven
Speaker 1: being the exception. So Sawyers eleven nineteen seventy one, three cosmonauts,
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle Challenger nineteen eighty six, and Space Shuttle Columbia
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Seven. Yeah, all right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about something more uplifting, Patrick Man.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see if I can find something. Well, can
Speaker 2: I just can I do one more story about being
Speaker 2: in space? Is that getting import not for you? Clearly, no,
Speaker 2: one little thing. They've been doing studies with cells from
Speaker 2: human hearts and running experiments to see what actually happens
Speaker 2: to the human heart while it's on the ISS. So
Speaker 2: these people who are there now, their hearts are actually
Speaker 2: going to be affected by being in space for a
Speaker 2: prolonged period. So what they did was they took heart cells.
Speaker 2: They took them into the International Space Station and then
Speaker 2: they observed how they behaved compared to another similar crop
Speaker 2: of cells here on Earth, and low gravity actually impacts
Speaker 2: the cell's strength and contraction, so it's called the twitch force,
Speaker 2: and it means that it can also result in irregular
Speaker 2: beating patterns. N astronauts come back, not only they have
Speaker 2: jelly legs, but they also have hearts that don't beat
Speaker 2: as strongly, and it's really concerning. So the longer you're there,
Speaker 2: they don't fare well at all when they're in space.
Speaker 1: So the exercise scientist is interested in this because when
Speaker 1: you think about like here we obviously we deal with
Speaker 1: gravity just walking, you know, where we're using muscle and
Speaker 1: strength and so so there's a lot of atrophy in space,
Speaker 1: like a lot of muscle wasting in space. And the
Speaker 1: heart is a muscle, so that's no surprise.
Speaker 2: And because the heart I mean beats constantly for our
Speaker 2: whole lives, we'd like to think it does. We hope
Speaker 2: it does continue, yeah, sporadically for some, but if there's
Speaker 2: no gravity acting on it, it looks like the heart
Speaker 2: tissue starts to kind of just atrophy.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, because when you're in you know, anti
Speaker 1: gravity or is that what it is like when you're
Speaker 1: in fucking whatever where you've got.
Speaker 2: There's no gravity or no gravity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no I mean, there's no resistance as
Speaker 1: in you're not you're not. You don't have to work
Speaker 1: against anything really, and so like there's no need in
Speaker 1: space to be strong, you know, because you don't have
Speaker 1: to lift anything or move anything because everything's weightless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's cool, but it takes a physiological toll.
Speaker 1: That's why I think I would be I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is these days, but I would be really
Speaker 1: interested to know what kind of resources they have at
Speaker 1: the ISS two to help the crew maintain strength and
Speaker 1: function because one obviously one of the challenges in a
Speaker 1: weightless environment is that dumbbells and kettle bells don't weigh anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd want a dumbbell or a
Speaker 2: kettle bell floating around in the space station, of course,
Speaker 2: not bands and stuff like that. Yes, you know, elliptical
Speaker 2: type machines that they can use.
Speaker 1: With h yeah. Yeah, And I mean I think like
Speaker 1: in the old days, in the eighties and nineties in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: there was even hydraulic machines, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: hydraulics going to work. Maybe it changes the viscosity of
Speaker 1: the hydraulics liquids in space. I'm not sure, but yeah,
Speaker 1: things like resistance bands and you know where you're creating
Speaker 1: a type of resistance. But you'd have to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, getting out of a chair and walking to
Speaker 1: get a glass of water takes strength and fitness, albeit
Speaker 1: not a lot. But you know, we are constantly, we
Speaker 1: are constantly working against gravity. But when you remove that,
Speaker 1: it's a different thing.
Speaker 2: It is interesting, isn't it. It's a fascinating a thought argument,
Speaker 2: particularly when we project forward and think, well, if people
Speaker 2: are going to go and explore further into the into
Speaker 2: our solar system and maybe potentially go to Mars, they
Speaker 2: still talk of a Mars. And then you've got radiation
Speaker 2: as well, because thankfully we have an atmosphere that protects
Speaker 2: us from the nasty radiation as well, and that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen when you're up there. You need to have materials
Speaker 2: around you. It's a flat and tin can, all.
Speaker 1: Right, team, We're going to pull the pin on the
Speaker 1: conversation momentarily there, Patrick and I ended up being somewhat
Speaker 1: verbose over about an hour and a half or so,
Speaker 1: so we'll divide this into bits one and two. We'll
Speaker 1: call that the end of Bit one. Hope you're having
Speaker 1: a great day. We'll be back tomorrow with more