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Speaker 1: I got our you, Bloody Champions. Welcome to another installment

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Speaker 1: of the project. That is Ukraig Athey Harper, Patrick James Bonillo.

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Speaker 1: We are sans Tiffany and Cook. That is, we are

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Speaker 1: world International Bloody Explorer that she is currently. I think

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Speaker 1: he's still in India. She's coming back very soon, in

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Speaker 1: the next day or two. But you know, where you

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Speaker 1: and I are is not quite as exotic, Patrick, But nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: you know, we do what we can.

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Speaker 2: I'm in little old ba Land and our western Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: But I was just excited this morning that I bucketed

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Speaker 2: be a break in the weather while I was walking Fritz.

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Speaker 2: So life is good when you can take the Fritzmeister

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Speaker 2: I know we were talking about dogs in the last episode,

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Speaker 2: but puppy's a maniacs, aren't they. I know. I don't

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Speaker 2: mean to alienate our audience who don't have dogs, but gee, man,

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Speaker 2: when you got a like a three or four month

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Speaker 1: Did he love his little sojourn this morning? You take

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just sending you something now, which is terribly bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's bad radio, but fuck you

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Speaker 1: and I it's like we I think I just sent

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Speaker 1: you to Did you just get two pictures? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Waiting, I'm scared. Oh here we go.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, So here's what I want to so

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Speaker 1: p this somewhere. I was thinking of redesigning the dashound,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's when I said, Okay, so it sent me an image.

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Speaker 1: Well, I still think the idea of chat GBT being

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Speaker 1: Can I just say that sentence that just came out

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Speaker 2: You know, the funny thing is people say that to

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Speaker 1: It's true, not in that particular, not in that sequence.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to you know. And then so my surrogate

432
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: sister who lives up there near mum, I went, can

433
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: you go over and fix her fucking phone? So she

434
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: goes over. It's literally a sixty second fix and it's

435
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: all better, right, but you can't like the funny thing

436
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: is and God bless her, like you can't even say

437
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: to Mum, Okay, what I want you to do is

438
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: go into settings because and if you've ever seen a

439
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: really I don't mean like you and I well I'm

440
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: older than you, but i mean really old people with

441
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: smartphones tend to tap the screen like a fucking woodpecker.

442
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mum, stop assaulting your phone with your index finger.

443
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of trying to swipe and you know,

444
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: just gently tap something and just foreign to her. But

445
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: at the same time, I go, yeah, I'm going to

446
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: miss all this shit one day. One day, I'm going

447
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: to wish that she would ring me with a catastrophe

448
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: that isn't really a catastrophe.

449
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: You know, I completely understand where you're coming from, but

450
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: I've got to come to her defense as well. Okay,

451
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: when I talk to foodpeckering phones, there's a thing called

452
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: zombie fingers, and it's a real thing. It's where people who,

453
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they don't have the tactile connectivity to

454
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: activate a screen on a phone, they have to press

455
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: harder because their feelings work as well. As other people.

456
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: You know Taur who I do a podcast with, we

457
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: were doing podcasts. She has zombie fingers. So yeah, so

458
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: some people don't whatever it is with their hands. Maybe

459
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: it's a circulation thing, but their fingers don't work on

460
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: their phones as well as other people. So maybe mum

461
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: has zombie things.

462
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: So who would have thought that having big, moist, chunky,

463
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: clammy fingers would be advantage?

464
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: He used another appendage on your phone, just wondering, you know,

465
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: an elbow and those in appropriate.

466
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Patrick, Usually it's me that opens the door and we're

467
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: keeping it closed today. We're trying to keep it family friendly.

468
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: Can we talk about help.

469
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: Clean the screen on your phone because we should clean

470
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: the screens every day, you know what? Yeah?

471
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I only the only thing I clean, well, I

472
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: do wipe the screen. Can you see this? Little have

473
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: a little yellow rag?

474
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: That's what the hell? Do you clean the rag?

475
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: Though?

476
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: If it's the same rag you use every day, you're

477
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: not cleaning your phone. You're making it up more dirty.

478
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just smearing the existing grease up to the corner,

479
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: the finger grease. No, I wash it. I have like

480
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: little terry toweling towel. Everyone that's it's like one of

481
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: those polishing rags that you get from I don't know where,

482
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: but I got a packet of them, like twelve yellow ones,

483
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: and I just every couple of weeks, I just stop

484
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: picking on me.

485
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 2: You know what, if I opened your cupboard and there

486
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: was like twenty boxes of twelve, I wouldn't be surprised.

487
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: I do get once I do find something, I tend

488
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: to overbuy. I don't know. This is what I'm like.

489
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: So I'm very boring, but I have most nights I

490
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: have a version of the same thing. I have some

491
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: kind of meat and rice and instead of cooking, you know,

492
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: proper cooking rice from scratch, I just microwave the two

493
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: minute stuff in about the ninety second stuff in a bag.

494
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: And so it's if I find it on special, I'll

495
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: buy fifty.

496
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: I'll buy fifty. You I know that about you.

497
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what why not? Like I'm going to

498
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: use them anyway. What's the point of going back every

499
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: five days to get five more when I can buy,

500
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, two months worth in one hit. And by

501
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: the way, they're on special winning.

502
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know that. I want to

503
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: tell you the first story today, because I'm worried that you,

504
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: with your OCD are going to start to panic and

505
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: look up at the night sky with a worried look

506
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: on your face.

507
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Do you know, I reckon, I do have a little

508
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: bit of OCD. That might be a I don't but

509
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. With some things, I don't give a fuck,

510
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: But with other things, Yeah, there's a little there's a

511
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: little acronym in there that probably needs to be explored,

512
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: all right, tell.

513
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: Me, well, okay, a few days ago, like well, a

514
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: few days ago, about a month ago, an asteroid was

515
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: spotted curved towards the Earth. Astronomers established that it was

516
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: going to hit the planet within ten hours. Right, It

517
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: ended up near the Philippines, an island in the Philippines,

518
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: and it bursted into flames and it came through. Now,

519
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: as it happened, the Earth didn't end. We're here now, right,

520
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: It was not that big. However, the estimate that there's

521
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff out there that we just can't

522
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: see from Earth, and that's the problem. So what we

523
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: don't know is in the background, and now we will know,

524
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 2: is that there's an organization called Planetary Defense, or a

525
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: group called planetary Defense and they're working so it's part

526
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: of NASA, and they're working to try to find better

527
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: ways to discover all of those objects that we have

528
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: near missus with. And not that long ago, there was

529
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: a very first project that was done by NASA, and

530
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: what they did was they fired a small probe into

531
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: an asteroid to try to deflect it off course, and

532
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: it did. They worked out that the impact on this

533
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: particular asteroid was enough to nudge it a little bit.

534
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: And so what they're saying is, we know, if we

535
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: have enough warning, we could nudge them out of the way.

536
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: So they're now looking at different ways to track what's

537
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: going on in space. But the interesting thing is this,

538
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: if an asteroid just twenty meters long exploded in the

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: sky above us, it would smash windows, knock people on

540
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: their feet. So that's a twenty meter long a fifty

541
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: space rock could decimate a whole town, widespread infrastructure damage, etc.

542
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. Now, an asteroid one hundred

543
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: and forty meters in length, if it made its way

544
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: to the ground, would basically slice a hole on the

545
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: face of the planet, probably dinosaur like extinction level events.

546
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: So there's still a lot of this stuff flying around.

547
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: So this new applied science called planetary defense, which is

548
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: exactly I guess what it sounds like, is now being

549
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: employed to try to look for what these asteroids that

550
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: are floating around potentially could get close to the Earth

551
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: and what they would do. So there was this Dart

552
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: mission that I was saying before, and the dart managed

553
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: to detour one of these asteroids, and so the thought

554
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: is there could be fourteen thousand of these that we

555
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: haven't found yet float no happen.

556
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: How about how about you shut the fuck up right

557
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: because now you've just made one hundred people have a

558
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: sleepless night.

559
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: But our say here is this NASA has what they're

560
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: about to launch a new mission within the next ten years,

561
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: the NASA the Near Earth Object Surveyor or the Neo

562
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Surveyor mission. So it's basically a sniper in space. It's

563
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: going to be hidden and out of space, and within

564
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: they reckon about ten years of being launched, it'll find

565
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: ninety percent of all those city killing asteroids that are

566
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: out there. So relief is on the way. And what

567
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: they've done this is what's really cool about this this

568
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: object is they're going to cover it in a material

569
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: that will make it really cold, really really really cold,

570
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: because it has thermal senses as well as visual sensors,

571
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: and every object that's still floating around does have some

572
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: sort of heat pattern. So the problem is all these

573
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: asteroids are made at different things, and if you use

574
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: optics or different ways to try to detect how large

575
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: they are, if they're made of metal, they will look

576
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: different than if they're made of other materials. So that's

577
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: the problem and the challenge of trying to work out

578
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: how big they are and then find out what their

579
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: trajectory is. So do you feel a little bit better

580
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: that they're now?

581
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: No. I think you brought something to our attention that

582
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: we didn't need to know, and that if an asteroid's

583
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: going to fuck us up, it's going to fuck us up,

584
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I think about personally. It reminded me

585
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: of Israel's iron Dome.

586
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yea, I've been looking at it.

587
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like that on steroids. But I'm thinking,

588
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: could you imagine Patrick, the physics, the mathematics that like

589
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: all the algorithms everything, So you've got a thing hurtling

590
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: through space and time that's millions of miles away that

591
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how fast it's traveling, how

592
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: big it is, its trajectory, and then you've got to

593
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: build something on Earth or shoot something away from Earth

594
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: to meet it at the right you know, so it

595
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: intersects it, it doesn't miss it, and then it hits

596
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: it in the right spot to deflect enough so that

597
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: it misses the Earth. I mean, what imagine the fucking people,

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the geniuses or genie I think the word is imagine

599
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: the genie. I working on that to make that happen

600
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: to me. That's just that's There's been a bunch of

601
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: movies about this too, by the way, Yeah, I.

602
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: Think about nineties maybe the age now it was, it

603
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: would have been the nineties. I reckon the Bruce Willis one.

604
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: What was it the names?

605
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there've been a bunch of them. I just think,

606
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: can I reckon.

607
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Epoy you more? Can I can I help try to

608
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: reassure you more? So. Mike, one of my closest friends,

609
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: just got back from the UK. I'm catching up with

610
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: him next week. He's a rocket scientist. He's so much

611
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: smarter than me. It does fill me with a hope.

612
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: You say that, like you're surprised. It's like, well, of

613
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: course you didn't even need to point that out to us.

614
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, he's smarter than me, which is incredible.

615
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, if you're listening, I'll tell him that we

616
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: gave him a plug in the show. He's really smart. Yeah.

617
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: So it's so it makes me feel a lot better

618
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: that those sorts of people are around, because they're the

619
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: ones that is sitting at NASA saying, nah, that's no problem.

620
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: It's only four million miles away. On a trajectory of

621
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the asmuth is this and

622
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: the whatever. You know what I mean. I'm just throwing

623
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: words out now that mean nothing, but they know what

624
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: they mean. So we're fight.

625
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of space, NASA has succeeded allegedly in teleporting. Yeah,

626
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: if you don't know what teleporting is the headline, Yeah,

627
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: I know. Actual teleporting. If you ever saw Star Trek,

628
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: anyone is where basically a human is magically transported to

629
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: another place instantly. So it might be from Melbourne to

630
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: New York and they just appear in New York. That's

631
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: called tallyportation. But I feel like that's it hasn't really happened.

632
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: That's just a heading.

633
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: Is it is a heading just to try to catch

634
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: your attention. And there's also a theory that what actually

635
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: happens when you go on the transporter is you are

636
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: destroyed and then rebuilt at the other end, so it's

637
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: actually not you there at the other end. It's a

638
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: fact similar bit.

639
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, I can't believe that there's a theory about something

640
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: that isn't real in the first place. That's the dumbest

641
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: shit ever.

642
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that online. So this is

643
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: called hollow portation, not tallyportation. So it was a bit

644
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: of a tricksy little heading to try to get your attention.

645
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: What NASA is doing is using augmented reality. So they're

646
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: using a thing called hollow lens and micro I've produced

647
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: this and I think they're about the stop production of

648
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: them anyway, So they're using hollow lens.

649
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: And would you say stop or start?

650
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: Stop there's because other stuff's coming out. I'll tell you

651
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: about that later. But what they effectively can do then

652
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: is the you know, the astronauts and cosmonauts that are

653
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: floating above and China hat what are the Chinese astronauts called.

654
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to look that one up.

655
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: If Russians are cosmonauts and the Americans are astronauts anyway,

656
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: that's something for another time.

657
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: But there's fifty things I could say. I'd get in

658
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: trouble for all of them.

659
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So multiple cameras pointing at a person here and

660
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: you're talking to so not just similar to what we're doing,

661
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: but in three D. And then the person wears a

662
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset which uses augmented reality. So the difference

663
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: between VR and AAR is when you put on a

664
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset, it blocks out everything and you create

665
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: a new world in your virtual headset that you can

666
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: engage with augmented reality is you put on a device

667
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: and you can still see everything around you, but an

668
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: object is projected in front of you in three D.

669
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing with NASA at the moment.

670
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: So they're using this to help the astronauts who are

671
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: effectively flying around in this tin can, and it means

672
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: that they can have real world conversations. But the person

673
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: they're interacting with, it's not just a zoom call or

674
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: a teams meeting. It's a person hovering in front of them.

675
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: And this is pretty full on because you know, the ISS,

676
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: the International Space Station is flying around like seventeen thousand

677
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: kilometers an hour, so to be able to link up

678
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: to them and have that window where they can have

679
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: this full on conversation and interaction, and this could be

680
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: a way to help astronauts as they travel to you know,

681
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: if you take three or four years to get to Mars,

682
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: they're able to interact with family and friends. That would

683
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: really help a lot when it comes to being lonely

684
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: or feeling isolated, or being stuck in a tin can.

685
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting that they're developing this because

686
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the developments that get done for space

687
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: research end up in real world examples for us. So

688
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: when we think, well, that's never going to happen, it's

689
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: too far away, it's on the ISS, the reality of

690
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: it is a lot of the experiments that are going

691
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: on board the International Space Station will have real world

692
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: benefits for us. It's that such that R and D

693
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: that you know, it's the long game where we don't

694
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: specifically think about it. I mean, even the work that

695
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: you're doing could have real world practical applications when it

696
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: comes to understanding about cognitive sense and how we think

697
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: about ourselves and the world around us. You know, that

698
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: could really have far reaching benefits for people, because what

699
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: I love about what you're doing is that no one

700
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: else has done that before in the way that you're

701
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah, and that's about research, just.

702
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was thinking about you know more about this,

703
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: but I just want to talk about the human side

704
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: of So those two astronauts that flew up, was it

705
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: with Boeing and then they were going to meant to

706
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: be up and back in a week or time and

707
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: something happened. You can tell us there's something I forget.

708
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: But so all of a sudden they went from basically,

709
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: we're doing a quick holiday to space to know, now

710
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: you're fucking stuck here till next year. And of course

711
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: they would have been preparing for I think it was

712
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: meant to be like about ten days in space, and

713
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: now it's going to be the best part of a year.

714
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, man, that's to be able to

715
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: adjust to that emotionally and mentally, is that is a big,

716
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: big challenge, right, That's not a small thing. That's a

717
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: life changing, foreverthing. And I don't know whether or not

718
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: they're great actors, but I saw them being interviewed, or

719
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: at least saw them, you know when. So they've gone

720
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to stay at the ISS, haven't they International Space Toction.

721
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: That's where they are, and they hooked up with some

722
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: other whatever, the other astronauts up there, and they looked

723
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: so like they have their shit together. I would not

724
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: have my shit together. I don't think if I was,

725
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: or maybe if I was as qualified and as trained

726
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: as them, but yeah, to be able to adapt to

727
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: something as big as that were was like, you'll be

728
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: back on Earth soon, and then no, you're not. You're

729
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: trapped up here. Better than the alternative though, I guess,

730
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: which is blowing up on the way back, because they

731
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: were wouldn't They worried that the that the space capsule

732
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: or whatever would not make it back to Earth, and

733
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: so they hedged their bets and said, look, we're just

734
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: going to plunk you on the space station.

735
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not worth the risk. Yeah, they went

736
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: up to the Space station for this mission. But they

737
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: had a fault. I think it was a cool leak

738
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: or something. I can't remember exactly what it was. But

739
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: they repaired it, but they still weren't one hundred percent

740
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: sure the thing with a lot of I mean, space

741
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: is so amazing, and space travel so much work goes

742
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: into it. And I guess, thinking of your you know,

743
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: you were kind of projecting how you would feel being

744
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: up there. My thought is that if you're training to

745
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: do a mission like this and it's only ten days,

746
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: part of the contingency would be what if you are

747
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: stuck there for more than ten days? And I think

748
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: that would have to be part of the training. I

749
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine sending people up there with that that that

750
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: thought process process being in place. But wow, I couldn't

751
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: possibly imagine what it would be like when you're saying, yeah, look,

752
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: I'll just see you next week, mate, We'll have that coffee,

753
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: won't we down the road, and then all of a

754
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: sudden that coffee is a year later or six months later.

755
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Also, when you think about how much we regular humans

756
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: we love certainty and predictability and familiarity. We love to

757
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: know that we kind of want to know what's going

758
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow and we hope it's going to be

759
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of like today, unless today with shit. But you

760
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: know that we are very much hardwired for safety and

761
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: predictability and consistency and certainty. So it must take a

762
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: special sure kind of either person or personality or mindset

763
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: to be able to go. I mean, by the way,

764
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: if you get on a rocket going into space, there's

765
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: a fair chance you're going to die.

766
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not remote chads, Well.

767
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's not like you're getting on

768
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: a bus going to Southland to get some fucking chicken.

769
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's there's a fair few people who

770
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: have died.

771
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Can I just say? I don't have the figures in

772
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: front of me, but I would suggest that you driving

773
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: to Southland and me flying to the ISS I would

774
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: be safer than you.

775
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

776
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: I think I would.

777
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: I reckon if we go. How many people have been

778
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: in space? Well, we know, was it Challenger twelve that

779
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: blew up?

780
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: It was a Challenger Yeah, that's right.

781
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: In challenges So that that was eight people?

782
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: Right, yep?

783
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: How many people?

784
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Five? Not only five? It was from memory?

785
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: How many people? Let's go, I'm going to go right now.

786
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Siven astronauts don't go chat GEP. Seven astronauts were on

787
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: the challenge. I'm pretty sure.

788
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, how many How many people have died

789
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: in space?

790
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: More? Good? Well I want to know, okay.

791
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: As eighteen astronauts?

792
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's it. But how many people are in space?

793
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well okay, all right, good? How many people have many.

794
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: Apologies to the listeners in space?

795
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: How many people have been in space? Six hundred and

796
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: twenty So six hundred and twenty eighteen, let's round it

797
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: up to twenty. That's a fucking lot of people. That's

798
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty people going to Southland, and eighteen

799
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: of them are dying. I reckon, I reckon. I'm on

800
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: a better, better course than you can.

801
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: I just say I would still go.

802
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Well would you? Would you get if you've got a

803
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: chance to go to space for a year?

804
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: So?

805
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: Actually do we? Sait? So the Columbia disintegrated when it

806
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: re entered the years No, yeah, I'm kind of was mixing. No,

807
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: it's right. Did we say Challenger or Columbia?

808
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: I think we said Challenger.

809
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: It's Columbia. Columbia. It re entered the atmosphere over Texas,

810
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: killing all seven astronauts on board. So actually so there

811
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: were two the Columbia. I'm getting confused anyway, But.

812
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, the bottom line is kids stay on Terra Firma.

813
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was the Challenger that blew up when

814
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: it launched, and that must have been in nine and

815
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: eighty six when it because I was I was actually

816
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: camping and didn't know about it till about three or

817
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: four days later.

818
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Most fatalities have occurred either during launch or re

819
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: entry rather than in space itself, with the Sawyers eleven

820
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: being the exception. So Sawyers eleven nineteen seventy one, three cosmonauts,

821
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle Challenger nineteen eighty six, and Space Shuttle Columbia

822
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Seven. Yeah, all right, let's talk

823
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: about something more uplifting, Patrick Man.

824
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see if I can find something. Well, can

825
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: I just can I do one more story about being

826
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: in space? Is that getting import not for you? Clearly, no,

827
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: one little thing. They've been doing studies with cells from

828
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: human hearts and running experiments to see what actually happens

829
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: to the human heart while it's on the ISS. So

830
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: these people who are there now, their hearts are actually

831
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: going to be affected by being in space for a

832
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: prolonged period. So what they did was they took heart cells.

833
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: They took them into the International Space Station and then

834
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: they observed how they behaved compared to another similar crop

835
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: of cells here on Earth, and low gravity actually impacts

836
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: the cell's strength and contraction, so it's called the twitch force,

837
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: and it means that it can also result in irregular

838
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: beating patterns. N astronauts come back, not only they have

839
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: jelly legs, but they also have hearts that don't beat

840
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: as strongly, and it's really concerning. So the longer you're there,

841
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: they don't fare well at all when they're in space.

842
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: So the exercise scientist is interested in this because when

843
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: you think about like here we obviously we deal with

844
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: gravity just walking, you know, where we're using muscle and

845
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: strength and so so there's a lot of atrophy in space,

846
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: like a lot of muscle wasting in space. And the

847
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: heart is a muscle, so that's no surprise.

848
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: And because the heart I mean beats constantly for our

849
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: whole lives, we'd like to think it does. We hope

850
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: it does continue, yeah, sporadically for some, but if there's

851
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: no gravity acting on it, it looks like the heart

852
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: tissue starts to kind of just atrophy.

853
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think, because when you're in you know, anti

854
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: gravity or is that what it is like when you're

855
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: in fucking whatever where you've got.

856
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: There's no gravity or no gravity.

857
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no I mean, there's no resistance as

858
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: in you're not you're not. You don't have to work

859
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: against anything really, and so like there's no need in

860
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: space to be strong, you know, because you don't have

861
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: to lift anything or move anything because everything's weightless. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's cool, but it takes a physiological toll.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think I would be I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is these days, but I would be really

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Speaker 1: interested to know what kind of resources they have at

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Speaker 1: the ISS two to help the crew maintain strength and

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Speaker 1: function because one obviously one of the challenges in a

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Speaker 1: weightless environment is that dumbbells and kettle bells don't weigh anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd want a dumbbell or a

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Speaker 2: kettle bell floating around in the space station, of course,

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Speaker 2: not bands and stuff like that. Yes, you know, elliptical

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Speaker 2: type machines that they can use.

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Speaker 1: With h yeah. Yeah, And I mean I think like

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Speaker 1: in the old days, in the eighties and nineties in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: there was even hydraulic machines, But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: hydraulics going to work. Maybe it changes the viscosity of

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Speaker 1: the hydraulics liquids in space. I'm not sure, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: things like resistance bands and you know where you're creating

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Speaker 1: a type of resistance. But you'd have to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, getting out of a chair and walking to

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Speaker 1: get a glass of water takes strength and fitness, albeit

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Speaker 1: not a lot. But you know, we are constantly, we

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Speaker 1: are constantly working against gravity. But when you remove that,

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Speaker 1: it's a different thing.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting, isn't it. It's a fascinating a thought argument,

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Speaker 2: particularly when we project forward and think, well, if people

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Speaker 2: are going to go and explore further into the into

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Speaker 2: our solar system and maybe potentially go to Mars, they

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Speaker 2: still talk of a Mars. And then you've got radiation

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Speaker 2: as well, because thankfully we have an atmosphere that protects

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Speaker 2: us from the nasty radiation as well, and that doesn't

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Speaker 2: happen when you're up there. You need to have materials

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Speaker 2: around you. It's a flat and tin can, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, team, We're going to pull the pin on the

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Speaker 1: conversation momentarily there, Patrick and I ended up being somewhat

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Speaker 1: verbose over about an hour and a half or so,

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Speaker 1: so we'll divide this into bits one and two. We'll

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Speaker 1: call that the end of Bit one. Hope you're having

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Speaker 1: a great day. We'll be back tomorrow with more