1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: From the newsroom. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: A news still come today. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 3: Hi there, I'm Andrew Bucklow. Imagine being locked up in 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: a foreign country for a crime that you didn't commit. 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened to Australian journalist Chung Lei, who 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 3: was arrested while working in China in twenty twenty. For 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 3: more than three years, she was imprisoned in Beijing on 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: trumped up charges, subjected to mental torture, and denied direct 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: contact with her two kids, who were back in Melbourne. 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: Chugli was finally released in twenty twenty three, and now 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: she's opened up the news dot com dot u about 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: her harrowing ordeal ahead of a Sky News Australia documentary 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: set to air later tonight. 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: She was the feast of. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: The network and suddenly she's gone. China has arrested an 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: Australian journalist working in Beijing. 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 4: One day she was there. 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Next day she vanished. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 5: They raided my apartment while I sat in the living room. 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 5: This is where I spent six months thinking, Oh, isn't 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 5: that We're going to get out? 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: You'll ever see your family again? 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Most of all, I miss my children. It's as close 24 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: to wanting to die as. 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: I ever got. 26 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a taste of the doc o' chung lay 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: my story, which has tonight at seven thirty pm on 28 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: Sky News Australia. Now, before we hear her chat with 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: news dot com dot U Shannamlawyer, I'm just going to 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: give you a few more background details. So Chung was 31 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: born in China and migrated to Australia with her family 32 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: when she was ten years old. She studied in Queensland, 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: became an Australian citizen and worked as an accountant before 34 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: moving back to China in the year two thousand to 35 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: pursue her dream of becoming a journalist. She got her 36 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: foot in the door over there, worked her way up 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 3: the ranks, and by twenty twenty she was a well 38 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: respected TV host on CGTN, the English language arm of 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: china state owned broadcaster, where she hosted a business news 40 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: program His Shannon with Chung, you were. 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: Doing incredibly well. Your career was soaring before this whole 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: an event. What kind of friend of mine were you? 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: Were you loving life? Was it exciting? 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: And well? My daughter asked me this recently, says, when 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: did you feel you were at your peak? And I 46 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: said probably twenty nineteen, just before it all went to shit. 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: So yes, I was studying a new show and it 48 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 4: was an in depth look at one company per per show, 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 4: and I really enjoyed that. And then come twenty twenty, 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 4: when the COVID eruption meant that my kids couldn't come 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 4: back from their holiday in Australia, I was at a 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: loss because I'd been a working mum all this time, 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: and I was adept at juggling work and motherhood, and 54 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: I really loved. 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: Bringing up little people. So I tried. 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: To channel my extra energy into other things, like I 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: had an idea for another show. I was going out 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: a lot, trying to do the things that I couldn't 59 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: when I had kids, meet more people and no sense 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: that danger was lurking around the corner. 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: Can tell me about how that danger presented itself, about 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: the moment you were just hanged. 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: Now that I think back, there were warning signs that 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: I just absolutely ignored because it never occurred to me. 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: For example, a good friend warning me, not warning me 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: saying that she was being surveilled by the Ministry of 67 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: State Security. A colleague telling me that he'd been chatted 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: to as the euphemism goes by the Ministry of State Security, 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: and of course what was going on with bilateral relations, 70 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 4: and even taking a question from a listener to our 71 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 4: podcast about bilateral relations, should Australians be getting out of 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: China to avoid arbitrary detention? And even all that didn't 73 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: trigger any sense of alarm in me. 74 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: The way you describe the hood over your head and 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: the way you were taken is quite terrifying. It didn't 76 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: feel terrifying in the moment. 77 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 4: Well, the idiot that I was, I thought I'd be 78 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: back in a few days. That's why even when they 79 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: said take some toiletries, maybe I took some mini bottles 80 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: thinking I'll be back. 81 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: This is just a big mix up. I can explain it. 82 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: I've done nothing wrong. 83 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you hadn't no, And I think many Australians 84 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: when they when they heard the news probably imagined a 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: whole range of different scenarios that might have landed you 86 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: in trouble. Explain what your offense was. 87 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: So during the raid at my apartment on the day 88 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 4: of arrest, they discovered as for some reason, I throw 89 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 4: out some papers and then kept some other papers, And 90 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 4: among the papers they seized was a report from May 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: the twenty second that year, and it was the Premier's 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: Work Report, which is the main document to come out 93 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 4: of China's biggest political gathering of the year, the NPC Sessions. 94 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: And I keep thinking, if they didn't have that, what 95 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: would they convict me of instead? But I know they 96 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: would convict me of something. It would just be a 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: matter of finding another piece of evidence. But it just 98 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: it was handy. So they of course they had all 99 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: my electronics. And then they said, what did you do 100 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: on that day? I said, I texted my friend at 101 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: Bloomberg eight words no growth target GDP nine million jobs target, 102 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: thinking I was helping her with something that's CGTN where 103 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: I used to work, wasn't going to run with anyway, 104 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: And they broke the story. And that was my crime 105 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: that I eroteed the Chinese State authority, even though the 106 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: fact that there wasn't embargo at all wasn't. I mean, 107 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: in the West, we've received press releases that say very 108 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 4: clearly embargoed until such and such a time. No, it 109 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: did not say that, And their testimony in court by 110 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: my former colleague who I only saw passing it was 111 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: somebody from General News who I didn't know. I was 112 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: facing the makeup mirror. She came behind me, gave me 113 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: the report and left. But in her testimony co Worst 114 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure she says that she told me it was 115 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: a confidential or classified document. That is bogus because then 116 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: I proceeded to show it to the makeup artist. I 117 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: tried to show it to the guests. One of them 118 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: did peruse it, and then I texted Nick and the 119 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: chair of os Chambourne and my friend at Bloomberg. And 120 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: if I hadn't known it was a classified document embargoed 121 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: before seven thirty, why would I, you know, do that 122 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: like send it to my friend and then keep everything. 123 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: Talk to me about the place where you were taken, 124 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: What was like it's described as like a residential facility. 125 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: What sort of residents were you. 126 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Catching where I was. 127 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: I wouldn't send my worst enemy there. And it's not 128 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: just oh sure I wasn't cold, I wasn't starving, But 129 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: it's the mental torture, and that is something that is 130 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 4: very Chinese. Their way of trying to break your mind 131 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: because they know that is the most dangerous thing, and 132 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: that constant pressure and dehumanizing you. 133 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: You are nothing. 134 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 4: You cannot say a thing, You cannot make a move 135 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: without their permission. They want you desperate, they want you 136 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: to not feel you have hope. 137 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: Did they succeed? 138 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: They caused a lot of pain, and yes there were 139 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: desperate moments, but I think I seem to be able 140 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: to magnify the smallest joys and make it last. 141 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: And minimize the rest. 142 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: Were there things that got you through some of those 143 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: particularly tough moments? 144 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: My kids? 145 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:11,479 Speaker 4: Obviously they were very painful to think about, but ultimately 146 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 4: I knew I had to be strong and saying to 147 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: be able to see them and look after them. Books 148 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: were the escape hatch when I was lucky enough to 149 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: get them. And the tiniest things like every day the 150 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: doctor would do morning and afternoon rounths, just come and 151 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: check my blood pressure. And one day the doctor wore 152 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: new sneakers and it was the first beautiful thing I'd 153 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: seen in weeks, and I said, I like your shoes, 154 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: even though I'm not supposed to make small talk, and 155 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 4: he said thank you. And even an exchange like that, 156 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: I would just keep replaying it and remind myself. 157 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: You were effectively isolated. You weren't allowed to have much 158 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: contact with even diplomatic Australian diplomatic officials. 159 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: So each month I had a thirty minute visit, a 160 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: videoed by video link, and also there were video on me. 161 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: And also I had about five officers sitting around me 162 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: to give me the pressure not say anything wrong, wrong 163 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: being anything pertaining to the case. 164 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: And there was an interpreter. 165 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: Who sat next to a senior officer translating everything I said. 166 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: And even when the embassy officials asked how many interrogations 167 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: have you had? When I tried to reply, they would 168 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: say no, no cut. And their rule is if you 169 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 4: say anything that you're not allowed to say, then the 170 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: visit gets canceled and you might lose visits altogether. 171 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: You're right, and you've spoken about some of the things 172 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: that you were subjected to. And again it's not what 173 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: some might imagine, you know, being beaten, beaten and stretched 174 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: and whatever else you see in spy spy movies, but 175 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: just just as damaging. 176 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: It's all about the mind. 177 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: So the twenty commandments I call them in the detention 178 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: center cell. The first five will relate to what you 179 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: think about what you say, as opposed to anything physical 180 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: like fighting or stealing people's things or destroying property. Yeah, 181 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 4: and the number one is you are forbidden from making 182 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 4: any derogatory comments about the party. The comment party and 183 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 4: his leaders. 184 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Explain what it's like to have a stranger who doesn't 185 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: speak to your acknowledge you're sitting next to you for 186 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: thirteen hours a day. 187 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: Two strangers. 188 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 189 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there were teams of two who did four 190 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: hour shifts and they would rotate in shifts, so every 191 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: minute of the day you are watched by two people 192 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: at a very close distance. And I'm glad that Sky 193 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: has made a documentary to recreate that because it's something 194 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: that not many people can get their heads around. 195 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: To see it and to ponder. It is very disconcerting. 196 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: It is intimidating deliberately. 197 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: Yes, that's how they want you to feel. 198 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: You are nothing and they can see every thing that's 199 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 4: going on with you, and you can't hide. 200 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: Stick around. In just a moment, chung La will talk 201 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: about the moment she was freed and reunited with her 202 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: two kids, who are fourteen and eleven years old. Welcome back. 203 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: You are listening to news dot com dot I use 204 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: interview with Chung Lei, who was finally freed from a 205 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: prison in China. In October twenty twenty three. 206 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 6: Australian journalist At Chung Lai has spent her first night 207 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 6: back on home soil, reunited with family after more than 208 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 6: three years locked up in China. The Foreign Minister says 209 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 6: her release was the result of persistent and consistent advocacy 210 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 6: by the federal government. 211 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: Reuniting your kids. 212 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: As what was that? Like? 213 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Best moment ever? I mean, the whole day was. 214 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 4: Your FORLK, but also bittersweet because when we separated alcohol 215 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: them like that and now they're like this, and I'd 216 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: missed all that and they had to go without mum 217 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: for all that time and not sure. 218 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: When I'd be back, And I think both were trying 219 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: to impress mom. 220 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: My son wore his favorite Barcelona jersey and my daughter 221 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: wore her school uniform because she loves her school, and 222 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: the faces had there weren't little kids anymore. So yeah, 223 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: I'm a reminder of loss, but also the elation of regaining. 224 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: What's the process being like to try and comprehend what 225 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: happened to you and heal from that. 226 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: It's not as straightforward as one would think. Life is tricky, 227 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 4: Family is hard, and raising children can be frustrating, and 228 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: on top of that, you have this over three years 229 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: gap that no chatbot or self help book can tell 230 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: you how to deal with. So I often reach out 231 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: to mother figures in my life, to friends, and I write. 232 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: Being able to go back to work that's helped a 233 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 4: lot in the healing and trying to use the miserable 234 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: time that I've had to endure and make something meaningful 235 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 4: out of it. Like being part of this documentary so 236 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: people know what China does behind closed doors, and being 237 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 4: able to speak up for people who are still there 238 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 4: or incarcerated elsewhere. 239 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: That's some very restorative. 240 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a remarkable woman. You can see that documentary 241 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: she just mentioned at seven thirty pm tonight on Sky 242 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 3: News Australia. It's called Chang Lai My Story. All right, 243 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: thank you so much for listening to today's episode. I 244 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: will chat to you again tomorrow. 245 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 4: Follow us, subscribe to from the Newsroom wherever you get 246 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: your podcasts.