WEBVTT - Take my advice, I'm not using it. Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>He said, how much do you drink?

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<v Speaker 2>I said I thirty maybe forty beers and a few scotches.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, what a week? I said, no, a day,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just shook his head. I've just had a shower.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the towers come off me. I'm running around the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of winter, Adelaide, winter out in the backyard, burying bedding,

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<v Speaker 2>sleeps in cocaine. I'm worried that the police are going

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<v Speaker 2>to walk in the door at anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've rest it for indecent exposure. I'm Andrew Rule.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Life and Crimes, yet again, and yet again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk with Rod Helsted. Last week we

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<v Speaker 1>heard about his adventures in Sydney, from Aubrey to Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we're going to hear what.

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<v Speaker 3>Happened after he hit out in Adelaide after getting not

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<v Speaker 3>even a tip off, getting a hint that life could

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<v Speaker 3>be a little bit dangerous if he stayed around Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, how long did that last? That middleman running stuff

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<v Speaker 1>up and then the highway.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny when I started writing this book, it corrected

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<v Speaker 2>my memories in that stuff that I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for three years. Actually turned out

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it for maybe four months. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and one thing runs into another and what have you?

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<v Speaker 1>I started, how did you correct yourself? Did you find

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<v Speaker 1>diaries or no? No, it's all my memory. Oh everything's everything. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't keep anybody. I was just wondering how you

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<v Speaker 1>were able to correct yourself from four years to four months.

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<v Speaker 2>Only because the timelines. When I started writing it, I'm going, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I'd spent six months in Western Australia, but

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<v Speaker 2>then I started thinking, well, how long did I live

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<v Speaker 2>in Hawthornton. I must have been there for buddy three years. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact it wasn't. It was probably not even a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just explain where that is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big old had Hawthorn and Hawthorne is a

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<v Speaker 2>large property on I think it was about two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half acres. The front of the property has got

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<v Speaker 2>to be Iron Gate. It's in Rosendale Avenue in Molara.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you drive in the gate and down to

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<v Speaker 2>the house the house, it's you drive past the house

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<v Speaker 2>on your left and that's the gatehouse and that's got

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<v Speaker 2>five bedrooms and two bathrooms. Good and and then you

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the big house and it's got I

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<v Speaker 2>think it had something like twelve bedrooms and you know

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<v Speaker 2>at a ballroom, and who that originally was owned by originally,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was owned for a long time by the

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<v Speaker 2>shipping line that used to P and O p and

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<v Speaker 2>A lines. Yeah, and that's the house that the captain

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<v Speaker 2>and the directors of the company and their friends would

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<v Speaker 2>stay and when they are in port. Really yes, And

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<v Speaker 2>how how the how my friends ended up taking the

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<v Speaker 2>lease on the house. I have no idea what sort

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<v Speaker 2>of friends were they. They were a mixed group. One

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<v Speaker 2>was a boat builder straight they weren't in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>One was a boat builder, one was one was an attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>One was a journalist there I can't remember his name,

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<v Speaker 2>but here he wrote in about tracking the trucking industry

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work for one of the main There were all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of There was a tennis court there the front.

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<v Speaker 1>You rented, you had a room or a sweet I.

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<v Speaker 2>Lived in a room for a while, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I'd lived there for months. It turned out it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>there for two months or something. But that house was

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. We used to hold parties there and people

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<v Speaker 2>well in the house and the ballroom, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Cher has been to a party at that house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've run into people who have been very friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>With shir Yeah, there you go, there you go. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't no, I didn't see. She wasn't there when I

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<v Speaker 2>was there. The Average White Band, we turned the ballroom

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<v Speaker 2>into a ping pong room. So we've got a table

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<v Speaker 2>set up and we're playing ping pong back and back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth. And I'm playing ping pong against Allen, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And John was sitting on one of the bean bags

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<v Speaker 2>rolling a joint or some so. And there are a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of other people in there. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>girls burst into the room with this guy, two guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, boys, I've got the manager of the

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<v Speaker 2>Average White Band here. I'm going to take him upstairs

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to have some fun. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>lead singer, can you look after him? And the lead

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<v Speaker 2>singer of a major band. He's well and truly cut

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<v Speaker 2>as well, I must say. On the Booze and.

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<v Speaker 1>WB known by their un known by their acronym.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Anyway, We said, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be right.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of the way, and he's sort of there

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<v Speaker 2>and said just sit over in the corner there John

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<v Speaker 2>Riley my joint. Will you sit over in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't get in the way. We're playing serious game.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't used to being spoken to her this way,

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<v Speaker 2>so he stuck around long enough to grab the joint,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he disappeared. And when we finished our game

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<v Speaker 2>of a ping pong or whatever you call it, me

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<v Speaker 2>and gone into my room, and there he has collapsed

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<v Speaker 2>on my bed, flaked out. So we decided we'd tared

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<v Speaker 2>him up a bit. So we put a tennis cracket

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<v Speaker 2>in one hand, a long handled feather duster in the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand. We squirted some what do he called a

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<v Speaker 2>toothpaste on his thing. We got some sugar and sprinkled

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<v Speaker 2>it down and having his fly and dropped it down

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<v Speaker 2>some down there. And we got whipped cream and put

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<v Speaker 2>that in various places and what have you. And I

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<v Speaker 2>might put a motorcycle helmet on his head. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we were retired to various places to get a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of kip. I went upstairs to know whose room it was,

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<v Speaker 2>but I found a nook and I lay down had

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<v Speaker 2>a sleep, And the next morning, apparently I didn't hear this,

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<v Speaker 2>but he woke up and in a rage you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all this sugar and stuff made him. It's like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's belleted and roared and he's come out of the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>knocked the door off its hinges, and unfortunately a blake

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<v Speaker 2>called Michael from the bushes. He lived in a cardboard

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<v Speaker 2>box up in the garden area. Yeah, Michael was harmless,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, totally harmless. Anyway, he knocked Michael out, and Shirley,

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<v Speaker 2>the house mother, called us all down. He just took off.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know whether singer of the Average White Band went,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't with us. And Shirley called us down,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, and I wrote a note and put

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<v Speaker 2>it on his chest and the note said you are

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<v Speaker 2>now known as the Tasty Morsel. And Shirley said, I

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<v Speaker 2>want you all to write on a note you are

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<v Speaker 2>now known as the tasty so I can determine who

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<v Speaker 2>did wrote. And I've got my left hand and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>right handed. I've got my left hand on trying, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we're all doing the same thing, laughing about it all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to think who he was called. Were very famous.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew his name for a long time, Alan somebody maybe. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>They were so famous that there were send ups of

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<v Speaker 1>the name. You know. I had a friend who was

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<v Speaker 1>a very funny Greek guy who played Berzooki in a

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<v Speaker 1>traditional Greek band at weddings because it was good money.

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<v Speaker 1>And he called his band the Berzoki Band, the A.

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<v Speaker 2>W B.

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<v Speaker 1>Average wog band, that that was the Greek guy's I joke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>funny guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I was. I was living there. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>had Hawthorne and something gone wrong with a shipment that arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got a call from Gator and we had

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<v Speaker 2>a red phone in the house and I go, Roud,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a call for you, And I went over and

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<v Speaker 2>there he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, listen, can you meet me at that place

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<v Speaker 2>where we you know, we exchanged those squash bags. And

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately heard something in his voice and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm no longer for this planet if I'm meeting and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I can't mate. I said, I'm sorry. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting on a plane going to Tasmany very shortly, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got out of there and I got a plane

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<v Speaker 2>back to South Australia and I stayed there for a

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half. It all cleared up what was

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<v Speaker 2>that about. It was about a shipment of tysticks that

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<v Speaker 2>I had picked up at the airport that I was

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<v Speaker 2>paid for with in kind. It was with thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars where of goodies, and I then just delivered it

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<v Speaker 2>to my mate and he then I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to it from there, but he then took it

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<v Speaker 2>up to the central Coast and stored it in a

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<v Speaker 2>house was for rent and stupidly didn't check. He must

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<v Speaker 2>have got word from one agent, yeah you can do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't talk to another agent who showed a couple

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<v Speaker 2>through the house to rent and what's this big box?

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they called the police and the box

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<v Speaker 2>is gone and the box is worth millions in today's terms.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's trying to work out how that could have

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<v Speaker 2>gone off and he just wasn't thinking straight. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was first man in his sight or something. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>and he rang me nothing to do with you, No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know where it went.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is gator rings. Yes, and you just went

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<v Speaker 1>straight to the airport. I thought, I'm off straight the

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<v Speaker 1>airport and you told him you're going to Tazzy. You

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<v Speaker 1>flew to Adelaide and you stayed in Adelaide. Why did

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? You sort of had a target on

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<v Speaker 1>your back, Oh yeah, or possibly on your forehead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, and not the last one either. My

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<v Speaker 2>sister was working in a pub there, the Broadway Hotel,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd been there a couple of weeks before, just

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<v Speaker 2>to say good ador. I had time on my hand,

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<v Speaker 2>so I flew over there and she introduced me to

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<v Speaker 2>a blake called the Gouger. It was interesting. I did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of drinking with the Gouger's right. Every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day I just drank. I didn't do any business.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you use for money?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot, Yeah, had a lot of mone

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<v Speaker 2>What sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Of money had you made in that time in Sydney?

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<v Speaker 1>How long were you in Sydney and working on the

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<v Speaker 1>drug thousands and so in this era, I was a

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<v Speaker 1>kidne I made three grand in a year you made

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<v Speaker 1>you made fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>On one weekend, I made thirty thousand, which was more

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<v Speaker 2>than the chairman of the BHP.

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<v Speaker 1>You made a year's salary for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chairman of BHP.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got thirty thousand for two days work. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that right? So you were obviously taking big risks you

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<v Speaker 1>would have done twenty years in or whatever, fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>and five serious jail time. That's the risk you were taking.

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<v Speaker 1>And they paid you well and there was no problem

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<v Speaker 1>until there's a consignment goes missing, which is nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with you. Do you think the other block that

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<v Speaker 1>put it in the rented house is just a dial

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<v Speaker 1>or did he set it up?

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've never even thought about it. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be pure speculation. I don't know who put it

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<v Speaker 2>in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's not nobody union box.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in his garage. He gives me my pay. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>off right, right, and he whatever he did, he did right,

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<v Speaker 2>paid cash for you. No, no, I didn't paid cash.

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<v Speaker 2>I got paid sticks. Oh okay, I got paid sticks

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<v Speaker 2>which I sold and made.

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<v Speaker 1>So eighteen months in basically one pub, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>very sick of that pub in Adelaide.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Nod you like a drink, Oh help, not as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you did. I wasn't as sister, not as thirsty

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<v Speaker 1>as you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I used to sit at the bar with the

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<v Speaker 2>gouger from about ten in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Till what was he using for money? Your money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I held him out a bit, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>he was punting. And then we started an sp book.

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<v Speaker 2>We started the book and the gouger would sit in

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<v Speaker 2>the pub and the bets and he'd bring him straight

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<v Speaker 2>through to me on the payphone. I was up in

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<v Speaker 2>my house that i'd rented up in Allgate, up in

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<v Speaker 2>the hills, and i'd write the bets down. So on

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<v Speaker 2>there one Saturday and I'm riding the bets down. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just had a shower. I've got a towel wrap round.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big bugger, you know. It's bigger than I

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<v Speaker 2>am now, ninety five kil isn't it. And the gouge

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<v Speaker 2>rings me and he says, I've got some bets. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on a minute, there's someone at the door. The

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<v Speaker 2>blake was at the door. I'd break my own rule.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had some cocaine I was selling for a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>the only time of salt powder. And there's the result

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And I let this bike in. He shut

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<v Speaker 2>up the cocaine and fell on his back and swallowing

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<v Speaker 2>his tongue in my kitchen and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, as you tell us this, you are holding up

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<v Speaker 1>to the microphone a hand that's only got four fingers

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<v Speaker 1>because one thirty and the seventh one once knocked off

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<v Speaker 1>at the first at the first joint, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling this story. You've poked your finger down his neck.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he's straight. Well, he's choking, so I want in

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<v Speaker 2>diamond my finger. He chewed down on the finger. Thought

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<v Speaker 2>I prised his mouth up and I got the finger out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, I'll knock him out. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>got the finger out, he chewed it right down to

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<v Speaker 2>the bone. Didn't chew the finger off, just chewed it

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<v Speaker 2>down to the buck and chewed the tendon off. And

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<v Speaker 2>did it hurt. No, No, you don't think about stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that while it's happening. Nothing hurts while that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear doesn't come into it while it's happening. It all

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<v Speaker 2>comes at the plain, and the fear come hard towards right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you had to go to apostle.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I rang the gouger while this blake's vibrating

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<v Speaker 2>across the floor chewing a finger and punching me in

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<v Speaker 2>the head. I've got the phone stuck under my ear,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, I get an ambulance up here. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a blake's overdosing on cocaine. And then I prized

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<v Speaker 2>his jaw appen, which is you've got to be bloody

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<v Speaker 2>strong and desperate to do that. And the minute I

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<v Speaker 2>got my finger out, he relaxed, and he's land up

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<v Speaker 2>against the wall and he's wiped his face in his

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<v Speaker 2>bloody Your blood, yeah, my blood, I said, not your blood, mine,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, listen, get out the ambulances on this way.

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<v Speaker 2>The copers won't be far behind it. So then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>running around. I've just had a shower. Remember the towels

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<v Speaker 2>come off me. I'm running around the middle of winter, Adelaide,

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<v Speaker 2>winter out in the backyard, burying bedding, slips under cocaine,

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<v Speaker 2>worried that the police are going to walk in the

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<v Speaker 2>door at any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've reached it for indecent exposures exactly see. And

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<v Speaker 1>who turned up the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 2>No one, no one. I just got everything buried, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I threw some duds on and I raced down.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the Orgate hospital. They dressed it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I got in the car and I drove down

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<v Speaker 2>to the Broadway and I said to the gouger. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>everything all right, and I said, well, no, not really.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was shod him the finger, which is all

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<v Speaker 2>bandies up. And he said, I said, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>the police didn't arrive and the Amblace didn't arrive. I

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<v Speaker 2>said it, I didn't call them. I said, you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>call them. I said, I told you Blaker's buddy possibly

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<v Speaker 2>going to die. He said, we'd have buried the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that right? Yeah, this is the goucher the

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<v Speaker 1>go and he's a pretty hard case.

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<v Speaker 2>For she was a very hard case. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>good blake. But he killed too man in his time.

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<v Speaker 2>One punch death's or he punched somebody and they'd just

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<v Speaker 2>fallen the wrong way. And I think he carried the

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<v Speaker 2>weight of that. I remember him saying to me when

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<v Speaker 2>we were our caps one night. Don't ever kill anybody,

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.280
<v Speaker 2>he said, just stays with you for life. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>ever shake it. He's dead. Yeah, I haven't killed anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to kill anybody. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have to dispose of a body. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it goes against the way I was raised.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd have to drop myself in it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come up with some story. But drop myself in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and anyway, I'm glad it didn't work out that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I ended up in Flinder's Medical Center because

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<v Speaker 2>I wake up the next morning. They said, change the

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<v Speaker 2>dress in every two hours or something. Put this powder

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and of course I got drunk and went

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<v Speaker 2>home and just didn't wake up ten hours later with

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<v Speaker 2>my hand under my NAIs and stinking, and I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>went down to Flint's Medical Center and I had septa seemia,

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<v Speaker 2>so they put me under and scraped the skin and

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<v Speaker 2>flesh away and down to the bone. Your surgeon came

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<v Speaker 2>to see me afterwards, and he said how much do

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<v Speaker 2>you drink? He said, you're aware that you came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the the anesthetic twice and I said, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that. I said, you're telling the nurses, you're impressing

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<v Speaker 2>them about the new Mercedes you sport. He just looked

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<v Speaker 2>at me, stunned, and he said how much do you drink?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, I don't know, thirty maybe forty beers

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<v Speaker 2>and a few scotches. He said, what a week? I said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>a day, and he just shook his head.

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<v Speaker 1>He was and you'd come out of the a a

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<v Speaker 1>seat because your body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, we put more. I can't remember the drake,

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<v Speaker 2>but we put more of that into you than we've

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<v Speaker 2>ever used on any patient in this medical center.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two moments in time where it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>jumping forward a bit, but where I break on the record,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was one and the other was when they

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<v Speaker 2>pinched me in Wagga eventually pinched me in Wogan. I

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<v Speaker 2>end up in jail, and when in my core case

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<v Speaker 2>they said that the New Sophial's Drug Laboratory has analyzed

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<v Speaker 2>this marijuana miss Hols it was caught with, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has got the highest level of THC content of any

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<v Speaker 2>drugs ever analyzed in this laboratory. Oh is that right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Only ever saw a good day. I shouldn't. I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make fun of it. I'm actually if anybody is the

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<v Speaker 2>ideal candidate as a campaigner against drugs, it's me. I

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<v Speaker 2>hate the bloody things. I don't dislike field graum marijuana.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got its medicinal services and properties, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that I've never known anybody to go with their

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<v Speaker 2>trolley smoking dape. More people on booze as you well know.

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<v Speaker 2>But as to powder acid, the marijuana they grow these

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<v Speaker 2>days using chemicals to I hate it. I despise it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I despised and Rex families, not just the individual

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<v Speaker 2>Rex family. So I'm a I'm a big Andi drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Campaigner and you know from the inside out. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's Adelaide. You've lost a finger. You've gained a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who's maybe I don't know if he's an asset to

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<v Speaker 1>you or not.

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<v Speaker 2>The gouger, the gouger introduced me to Bob Hawk. We

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<v Speaker 2>got on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well the gouger was a shearer and a labor party man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Mick Young, Mick Young, Mick Young. He introduced me, and

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<v Speaker 2>Mick Young took me to Mick Young's house for a

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<v Speaker 2>labor thing one night, did he yep? And when he

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<v Speaker 2>was head of the trade union, he burst into the

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<v Speaker 2>door of the Broado Hotel one afternoon lunchtime.

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<v Speaker 1>Goager, here you going there? We're going down the port

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<v Speaker 1>for a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And Gougers said, Bobby said, I'd like you to meet

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, right, He said, here, you're going right, and

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<v Speaker 2>I right on me And I'll tell you what. When

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<v Speaker 2>you're in Bob's company and you were talking with him,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the only person in the room as far as

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<v Speaker 2>you're concerned. He never took his eyes off you, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was genuinely interested. He was a very interesting man.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anybody hold a room the way Hawpit

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<v Speaker 2>hold of room. So we went down the port and

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<v Speaker 2>we got on the turfs here and there were blacks

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<v Speaker 2>off from the getting a fridge or get him a TV.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they were all working on the docks, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bob graciously declined on each occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was home, really South Australian. And what happened next.

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<v Speaker 2>Left Adelaide, went to Aubrey, met a girl, got married,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was good for a while. It was good

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, we're still on the booze.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I was still drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in Aubury, you're on the booze big time. You're married.

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<v Speaker 1>I think your father in law doesn't love it, because

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be described yourself with a critical light at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a smart ass.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have seen me as such. Yeah, and quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yes I was, because I remember a good

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<v Speaker 2>made of mine saying to him years and years later

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<v Speaker 2>when I save it up and back in Aubury. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>when you were living here in Aubury at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you were the most pompous person I'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>met in my life. And I was stunned to hear it.

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 2>But on reflection, that's exactly what I was. I was

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<v Speaker 2>so full of myself, you know, the Blaker has been

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere and done everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was a bore and which, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the worst insult you can ever offer a man. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bore any version of that word. Really, And you got

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<v Speaker 1>interested in acting at some point? Was that much later?

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<v Speaker 1>That was later, But that's all part of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bit of an actor, A hell of.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of acting in the in the d trade,

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<v Speaker 2>in bar work, just in being you know, in winning.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of acting in winning. Some people call

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<v Speaker 2>it people pleasing. I don't call it that. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate attempt to make people like you that always comes

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<v Speaker 2>to disaster. It's so obvious. It's about fitting in, being entertaining,

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<v Speaker 2>and allowing the other person to get their bloody word

0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 2>in you. If you're going to talk all the time

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<v Speaker 2>and over the top of people, you are a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bore, you know, fully yourself because you've had ups and

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<v Speaker 1>downs and ups and downs and ups and downs. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened next?

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<v Speaker 2>A mate from North Queensland contacted me and said I've

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<v Speaker 2>got this stuff and can you move afore me? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'd retired. I got out of the game. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been pinched and not even been questioned about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah right. I wanted to make some money

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<v Speaker 2>because I was working as a barman, getting barman's wages.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you go from thirty grand in two days

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<v Speaker 2>to barman's wages, the temptations too strong and I got

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<v Speaker 2>pinched and police pistol in my head in Wagga and

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up in court and ended up being given

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<v Speaker 2>a year on the bottom and six years on the top.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the year on the bottom because of the

0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.680
<v Speaker 2>incredible bloody argument my barrister put up. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>give me eight months which mains straight to maximum security,

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<v Speaker 2>with a year to silver Water. I was in silver

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<v Speaker 2>Water for about six weeks, got transferred from there to

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<v Speaker 2>go directly to Manus Prison farm in Tambaramba via Golban

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>for one night, but the screws were on strike out,

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<v Speaker 2>spending four days and nights in Golban and the first

0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>day that I was in there, they released me into

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<v Speaker 2>Sea Yard. And the stuff I saw in Sea Yard

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:38.679
<v Speaker 2>was so vile. What these guys weightlifting and what have you?

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 2>What they were doing with these three white boys. I

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<v Speaker 2>called the screw over and I said, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get me out of this yard now, I'm never going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave jail. I'm either going to get killed or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to stay here for murder because I will

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>go over there to those weightlifters and I will tear

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<v Speaker 2>into them. Now, how many am I going to do?

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.679
<v Speaker 2>The serious boys? So the screw very kindly sent me

0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.639
<v Speaker 2>up to the library and I spent three days in

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<v Speaker 2>the library and then I'm transferred to Manus Prison Farm,

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<v Speaker 2>where I did the remainder of my sentence, which was

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<v Speaker 2>about four months. Hopefully I was in there for twelve months.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they say you've done something wrong with you

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<v Speaker 2>stepped out of line, then they can extend it and

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<v Speaker 2>send you back to the bay. I mean, I had six.

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<v Speaker 1>Years on the top, so it could have ended up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some of those guys who were getting booze

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<v Speaker 2>brought into the perimeter fence and going running down there

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<v Speaker 2>after dark and grabbing it, and one of them offered

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<v Speaker 2>me a beer, and one of the other guys said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you doddy touch it. He said, you do anything wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>He said, you get shango back. I was looked after.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was thirty years of age, obvious, baby

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. But these guys, if they like you, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>steer you right, It's like, and why did they like you?

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<v Speaker 2>I was genuine. Now I'd look them in the eye,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd tell them the truth. I refer umpire a game

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<v Speaker 2>of footing in there. One of the most dangerous hour

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<v Speaker 2>and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a fact?

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<v Speaker 2>They looken't like the whistle being blown on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they didn't, were they were? They a little bit rough?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the blakes are coming up and chesting me and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what do you think you're doing? That's not

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<v Speaker 2>a free kick. And I said, mate, I'm just I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't play because I had a crooked legs, so I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't run off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't run.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, No, you don't run's refereeing. The most dangerous time

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<v Speaker 1>of your very dangerous life was umpiring a game of

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<v Speaker 1>reels football at tumb on a prison fan.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another time we played a game of a

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<v Speaker 2>cricket against the town Is on the town Oval. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I played in it. Oh yeah, and I whacked

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<v Speaker 2>a few balls and what have you. But this this

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<v Speaker 2>other guy has gone crack and he's hit a massive

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<v Speaker 2>six over the fence and into the trees and bushes,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, every ey that was blake playing again says

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<v Speaker 2>we're fielding. Every fielder on the field started running for

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<v Speaker 2>the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>Convicts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, screws are blowing their whissels right there, can't anybody

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<v Speaker 2>go over the events.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of them may not come back. Yeah, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>how funny is that? Now your book is.

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<v Speaker 2>Called take My Advice? I'm not using it published by

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<v Speaker 2>published by Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many years in the making.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Barry Humphreys suggested I write it twenty six years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd thought about writing a book well before then. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Prompted me an AA meeting, was it? Yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 1>end we're at Bundo Beach, Bundo Beach. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk too much about AA. We ourselves, we don't use

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<v Speaker 1>to publicize ourselves. But saved my life, so I'll say that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it's a piece of history. Barry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Barry's always alcohol. We're very yeah, and I have to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I met some wonderful people there. But he suggested that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was twenty six years ago. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>got saber and built businesses. And I started one business,

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<v Speaker 2>a pressure washing business in aubury when I was sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Started with five grand, and I sold it eight years later.

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<v Speaker 2>It maybe a million dollars. I didn't get a million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for it. I got six figures for it, mid

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>six figures, and I owned a house out of it ditch,

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 2>had no debt. But yeah, I may well over a

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>million dollars off that five grand, purely by getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of bed early and working and by selling by marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>Marketing is the key to body business success. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know you're there. They won't come.

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<v Speaker 1>So possibly your next book might be about how I

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>turned five bucks into whatever. You know now, I dare say.

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<v Speaker 1>We could go on a lot, but you can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>every story that's in the book, because there are dozens

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 1>of stories in the book, and this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>select sample of them. Where did the title come from?

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<v Speaker 2>An AA meeting. Did it, Yeah, it's not my thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody said that really early on? Did that? He said

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<v Speaker 2>take my advice, I'm not using it, and I heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the title. The reason this book is with Alan

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<v Speaker 2>Arman is because I was at a literary event at

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<v Speaker 2>Aubrey Library and Chris Masters was speaking yes and he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about a particular businessman and he's involvement in crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went up to him after as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the money, and he just looked me up

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and down. He said, how would you know? And I

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 2>told him about my history with Gaeta and say Fith

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and we had a chat for about ten minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>I told him I was intended writing my last story

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, if you have any trouble getting a publisher,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a call, and he gave me his card.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting at home ten years later on a

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday watching the show that Masters put on about Robert Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I still got his number and I

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<v Speaker 2>look at my phone. There it was. I sent him

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<v Speaker 2>a text three o'clock Sunday, AVO. A minute later I

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<v Speaker 2>got a text back sent me the first thirty pages,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did half hour later. I got a text back,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want me to approach my publisher or do

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you want to do it nice a year please? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's the one who introduced me to Elizabeth Wes, the publisher. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and but for Chris, I'd still be knocking on doors.

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<v Speaker 1>I shook his hand last night at a riper Blakes

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, great reporter and yeah, very gutsy, gutsyutsy, great

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<v Speaker 1>family full of Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well that's so wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>young you and Chris Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say thanks to him, because that

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of help is invaluable, and to yourself too, and

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<v Speaker 2>to Bill Gray and to all the other people who

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>have stepped in and give me a leg up. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mention Blake's names. They might not appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are people in the radio game who have

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<v Speaker 2>really through introductions of people. Don't know. I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>my phone recently, got four thousand names in there. Two

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>thousand of my clients, but two thousand of my No. Personally,

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 2>what do you doing that? You sold your business in aubury?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing now? Book in the book? That's it?

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<v Speaker 2>By copy?

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<v Speaker 1>With that? Yeah? Oh well, I promise and that's all

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to people listening to us out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>won't regret it. Rod Helsteed, thanks for coming in all

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<v Speaker 1>the way from Aubrey and we hope to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much for having.

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