1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: He said, how much do you drink? 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: I said I thirty maybe forty beers and a few scotches. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: He said, what a week? I said, no, a day, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: and he just shook his head. I've just had a shower. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: Remember the towers come off me. I'm running around the 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: middle of winter, Adelaide, winter out in the backyard, burying bedding, 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: sleeps in cocaine. I'm worried that the police are going 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: to walk in the door at anymore. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: And I've rest it for indecent exposure. I'm Andrew Rule. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: This is Life and Crimes, yet again, and yet again, 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: we're going to talk with Rod Helsted. Last week we 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: heard about his adventures in Sydney, from Aubrey to Sydney. 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: This week we're going to hear what. 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: Happened after he hit out in Adelaide after getting not 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: even a tip off, getting a hint that life could 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: be a little bit dangerous if he stayed around Sydney. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Now, how long did that last? That middleman running stuff 18 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: up and then the highway. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: It's funny when I started writing this book, it corrected 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: my memories in that stuff that I thought, you know, 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: I've been doing this for three years. Actually turned out 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: I've been doing it for maybe four months. Oh yeah, 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: and one thing runs into another and what have you? 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: I started, how did you correct yourself? Did you find 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: diaries or no? No, it's all my memory. Oh everything's everything. No, 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: I didn't keep anybody. I was just wondering how you 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: were able to correct yourself from four years to four months. 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: Only because the timelines. When I started writing it, I'm going, well, 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: I knew I'd spent six months in Western Australia, but 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: then I started thinking, well, how long did I live 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: in Hawthornton. I must have been there for buddy three years. Well, 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: in fact it wasn't. It was probably not even a year. 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Just explain where that is. 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: It's a big old had Hawthorn and Hawthorne is a 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: large property on I think it was about two and 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: a half acres. The front of the property has got 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: to be Iron Gate. It's in Rosendale Avenue in Molara. 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: And when you drive in the gate and down to 39 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: the house the house, it's you drive past the house 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: on your left and that's the gatehouse and that's got 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: five bedrooms and two bathrooms. Good and and then you 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: go down to the big house and it's got I 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: think it had something like twelve bedrooms and you know 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: at a ballroom, and who that originally was owned by originally, 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: but it was owned for a long time by the 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: shipping line that used to P and O p and 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: A lines. Yeah, and that's the house that the captain 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: and the directors of the company and their friends would 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: stay and when they are in port. Really yes, And 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: how how the how my friends ended up taking the 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: lease on the house. I have no idea what sort 52 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 2: of friends were they. They were a mixed group. One 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: was a boat builder straight they weren't in the game. 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: One was a boat builder, one was one was an attorney. 55 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: One was a journalist there I can't remember his name, 56 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: but here he wrote in about tracking the trucking industry 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: didn't work for one of the main There were all 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: sorts of There was a tennis court there the front. 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: You rented, you had a room or a sweet I. 60 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: Lived in a room for a while, and I thought 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: I'd lived there for months. It turned out it's probably 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: there for two months or something. But that house was 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: really interesting. We used to hold parties there and people 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: well in the house and the ballroom, you know, I 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: mean Cher has been to a party at that house. 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've run into people who have been very friendly. 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: With shir Yeah, there you go, there you go. I 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: wasn't no, I didn't see. She wasn't there when I 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: was there. The Average White Band, we turned the ballroom 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: into a ping pong room. So we've got a table 71 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: set up and we're playing ping pong back and back 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: and forth. And I'm playing ping pong against Allen, I think. 73 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: And John was sitting on one of the bean bags 74 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: rolling a joint or some so. And there are a 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: couple of other people in there. And one of the 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: girls burst into the room with this guy, two guys, 77 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: and she said, boys, I've got the manager of the 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Average White Band here. I'm going to take him upstairs 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: and we're going to have some fun. This is the 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: lead singer, can you look after him? And the lead 81 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: singer of a major band. He's well and truly cut 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: as well, I must say. On the Booze and. 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: WB known by their un known by their acronym. 84 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: That's right. Anyway, We said, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be right. 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: Get out of the way, and he's sort of there 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: and said just sit over in the corner there John 87 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: Riley my joint. Will you sit over in the corner 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: that it doesn't get in the way. We're playing serious game. 89 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: He wasn't used to being spoken to her this way, 90 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: so he stuck around long enough to grab the joint, 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: and then he disappeared. And when we finished our game 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: of a ping pong or whatever you call it, me 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: and gone into my room, and there he has collapsed 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: on my bed, flaked out. So we decided we'd tared 95 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: him up a bit. So we put a tennis cracket 96 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: in one hand, a long handled feather duster in the 97 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: other hand. We squirted some what do he called a 98 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 2: toothpaste on his thing. We got some sugar and sprinkled 99 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: it down and having his fly and dropped it down 100 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: some down there. And we got whipped cream and put 101 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: that in various places and what have you. And I 102 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: might put a motorcycle helmet on his head. And then 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: we were retired to various places to get a bit 104 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: of kip. I went upstairs to know whose room it was, 105 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: but I found a nook and I lay down had 106 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: a sleep, And the next morning, apparently I didn't hear this, 107 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: but he woke up and in a rage you know, 108 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: all this sugar and stuff made him. It's like crazy. 109 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: He's belleted and roared and he's come out of the bedroom, 110 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: knocked the door off its hinges, and unfortunately a blake 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: called Michael from the bushes. He lived in a cardboard 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: box up in the garden area. Yeah, Michael was harmless, 113 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: you know, totally harmless. Anyway, he knocked Michael out, and Shirley, 114 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: the house mother, called us all down. He just took off. 115 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: We don't know whether singer of the Average White Band went, 116 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: but it wasn't with us. And Shirley called us down, 117 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: and she said, and I wrote a note and put 118 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: it on his chest and the note said you are 119 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: now known as the Tasty Morsel. And Shirley said, I 120 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: want you all to write on a note you are 121 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: now known as the tasty so I can determine who 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: did wrote. And I've got my left hand and I'm 123 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: right handed. I've got my left hand on trying, and 124 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: then we're all doing the same thing, laughing about it all. Yeah, 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: it was quite funny. 126 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: Trying to think who he was called. Were very famous. 127 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: I knew his name for a long time, Alan somebody maybe. Anyway, 128 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: They were so famous that there were send ups of 130 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the name. You know. I had a friend who was 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a very funny Greek guy who played Berzooki in a 132 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: traditional Greek band at weddings because it was good money. 133 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: And he called his band the Berzoki Band, the A. 134 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: W B. 135 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: Average wog band, that that was the Greek guy's I joke. Yeah, 136 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: funny guys. 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: So anyway, I was. I was living there. Yeah, I 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: had Hawthorne and something gone wrong with a shipment that arrived, 139 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: and I got a call from Gator and we had 140 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: a red phone in the house and I go, Roud, 141 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: there's a call for you, And I went over and 142 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: there he said. 143 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 144 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: He said, listen, can you meet me at that place 145 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: where we you know, we exchanged those squash bags. And 146 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: I immediately heard something in his voice and I thought, 147 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: I'm no longer for this planet if I'm meeting and 148 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: I said, I can't mate. I said, I'm sorry. I'm 149 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: getting on a plane going to Tasmany very shortly, and 150 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: I got out of there and I got a plane 151 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: back to South Australia and I stayed there for a 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: year and a half. It all cleared up what was 153 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: that about. It was about a shipment of tysticks that 154 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: I had picked up at the airport that I was 155 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: paid for with in kind. It was with thirty thousand 156 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: dollars where of goodies, and I then just delivered it 157 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: to my mate and he then I didn't know what 158 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: happened to it from there, but he then took it 159 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: up to the central Coast and stored it in a 160 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: house was for rent and stupidly didn't check. He must 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: have got word from one agent, yeah you can do that, 162 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: and didn't talk to another agent who showed a couple 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: through the house to rent and what's this big box? 164 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: And of course they called the police and the box 165 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: is gone and the box is worth millions in today's terms. 166 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: So he's trying to work out how that could have 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: gone off and he just wasn't thinking straight. And I 168 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: was first man in his sight or something. Who knows, 169 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: and he rang me nothing to do with you, No, no, no, no, 170 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 2: I didn't know where it went. 171 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: So this is gator rings. Yes, and you just went 172 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: straight to the airport. I thought, I'm off straight the 173 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: airport and you told him you're going to Tazzy. You 174 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: flew to Adelaide and you stayed in Adelaide. Why did 175 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: you do that? You sort of had a target on 176 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: your back, Oh yeah, or possibly on your forehead. 177 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and not the last one either. My 178 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: sister was working in a pub there, the Broadway Hotel, 179 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: and I'd been there a couple of weeks before, just 180 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: to say good ador. I had time on my hand, 181 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: so I flew over there and she introduced me to 182 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: a blake called the Gouger. It was interesting. I did 183 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: a lot of drinking with the Gouger's right. Every day. 184 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 2: Every day I just drank. I didn't do any business. 185 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: What did you use for money? 186 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: I had a lot, Yeah, had a lot of mone 187 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: What sort. 188 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: Of money had you made in that time in Sydney? 189 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: How long were you in Sydney and working on the 190 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: drug thousands and so in this era, I was a 191 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: kidne I made three grand in a year you made 192 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: you made fifty. 193 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: On one weekend, I made thirty thousand, which was more 194 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: than the chairman of the BHP. 195 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: You made a year's salary for the. 196 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: Chairman of BHP. 197 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got thirty thousand for two days work. Is 198 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: that right? So you were obviously taking big risks you 199 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: would have done twenty years in or whatever, fifteen years 200 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: and five serious jail time. That's the risk you were taking. 201 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: And they paid you well and there was no problem 202 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: until there's a consignment goes missing, which is nothing to 203 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: do with you. Do you think the other block that 204 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: put it in the rented house is just a dial 205 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: or did he set it up? 206 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: Who knows? 207 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: What do you think? 208 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never even thought about it. It 209 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: would be pure speculation. I don't know who put it 210 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: in the house. 211 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh it's not nobody union box. 212 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: It's in his garage. He gives me my pay. I'm 213 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: off right, right, and he whatever he did, he did right, 214 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: paid cash for you. No, no, I didn't paid cash. 215 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: I got paid sticks. Oh okay, I got paid sticks 216 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: which I sold and made. 217 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: So eighteen months in basically one pub, and you get 218 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: very sick of that pub in Adelaide. 219 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. 220 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: Nod you like a drink, Oh help, not as much 221 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: as you did. I wasn't as sister, not as thirsty 222 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: as you. 223 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: So I used to sit at the bar with the 224 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: gouger from about ten in the morning. 225 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Till what was he using for money? Your money. 226 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. I held him out a bit, you know, And 227 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: he was punting. And then we started an sp book. 228 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: We started the book and the gouger would sit in 229 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: the pub and the bets and he'd bring him straight 230 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: through to me on the payphone. I was up in 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: my house that i'd rented up in Allgate, up in 232 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: the hills, and i'd write the bets down. So on 233 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: there one Saturday and I'm riding the bets down. I've 234 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: just had a shower. I've got a towel wrap round. 235 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm a big bugger, you know. It's bigger than I 236 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: am now, ninety five kil isn't it. And the gouge 237 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: rings me and he says, I've got some bets. I said, 238 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: hang on a minute, there's someone at the door. The 239 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: blake was at the door. I'd break my own rule. 240 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: I've had some cocaine I was selling for a friend, 241 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: the only time of salt powder. And there's the result 242 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: of it. And I let this bike in. He shut 243 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: up the cocaine and fell on his back and swallowing 244 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: his tongue in my kitchen and I. 245 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Say, as you tell us this, you are holding up 246 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: to the microphone a hand that's only got four fingers 247 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: because one thirty and the seventh one once knocked off 248 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: at the first at the first joint, which is why 249 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: you're telling this story. You've poked your finger down his neck. 250 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: Then he's straight. Well, he's choking, so I want in 251 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: diamond my finger. He chewed down on the finger. Thought 252 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: I prised his mouth up and I got the finger out, 253 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: and I thought, I'll knock him out. And when I 254 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: got the finger out, he chewed it right down to 255 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: the bone. Didn't chew the finger off, just chewed it 256 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 2: down to the buck and chewed the tendon off. And 257 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: did it hurt. No, No, you don't think about stuff 258 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: like that while it's happening. Nothing hurts while that's happening. 259 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: Fear doesn't come into it while it's happening. It all 260 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: comes at the plain, and the fear come hard towards right. 261 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: And then you had to go to apostle. 262 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: And then I rang the gouger while this blake's vibrating 263 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: across the floor chewing a finger and punching me in 264 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: the head. I've got the phone stuck under my ear, 265 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: and I said, I get an ambulance up here. I've 266 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: got a blake's overdosing on cocaine. And then I prized 267 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: his jaw appen, which is you've got to be bloody 268 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: strong and desperate to do that. And the minute I 269 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: got my finger out, he relaxed, and he's land up 270 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: against the wall and he's wiped his face in his 271 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: bloody Your blood, yeah, my blood, I said, not your blood, mine, 272 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: I said, listen, get out the ambulances on this way. 273 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: The copers won't be far behind it. So then I'm 274 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: running around. I've just had a shower. Remember the towels 275 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: come off me. I'm running around the middle of winter, Adelaide, 276 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: winter out in the backyard, burying bedding, slips under cocaine, 277 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: worried that the police are going to walk in the 278 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: door at any moment. 279 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: And I've reached it for indecent exposures exactly see. And 280 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: who turned up the ambulance. 281 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: No one, no one. I just got everything buried, and 282 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: then I threw some duds on and I raced down. 283 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: I went to the Orgate hospital. They dressed it, and 284 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: then I got in the car and I drove down 285 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: to the Broadway and I said to the gouger. He said, 286 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: everything all right, and I said, well, no, not really. 287 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: And I was shod him the finger, which is all 288 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 2: bandies up. And he said, I said, I can't believe 289 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: the police didn't arrive and the Amblace didn't arrive. I 290 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: said it, I didn't call them. I said, you didn't 291 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: call them. I said, I told you Blaker's buddy possibly 292 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: going to die. He said, we'd have buried the body. 293 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Oh is that right? Yeah, this is the goucher the 294 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: go and he's a pretty hard case. 295 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: For she was a very hard case. It was a 296 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: good blake. But he killed too man in his time. 297 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: One punch death's or he punched somebody and they'd just 298 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: fallen the wrong way. And I think he carried the 299 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: weight of that. I remember him saying to me when 300 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: we were our caps one night. Don't ever kill anybody, 301 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: he said, just stays with you for life. You don't 302 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: ever shake it. He's dead. Yeah, I haven't killed anybody, 303 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: and I don't want to kill anybody. And I don't 304 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: want to have to dispose of a body. I think 305 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: it's just it goes against the way I was raised. 306 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: So I'd have to drop myself in it, you know, 307 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: come up with some story. But drop myself in it, 308 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: and anyway, I'm glad it didn't work out that way. 309 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: But then I ended up in Flinder's Medical Center because 310 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: I wake up the next morning. They said, change the 311 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: dress in every two hours or something. Put this powder 312 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: on it, and of course I got drunk and went 313 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: home and just didn't wake up ten hours later with 314 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: my hand under my NAIs and stinking, and I immediately 315 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: went down to Flint's Medical Center and I had septa seemia, 316 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: so they put me under and scraped the skin and 317 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: flesh away and down to the bone. Your surgeon came 318 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: to see me afterwards, and he said how much do 319 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: you drink? He said, you're aware that you came out 320 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: of the the anesthetic twice and I said, yeah, I 321 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: know that. I said, you're telling the nurses, you're impressing 322 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: them about the new Mercedes you sport. He just looked 323 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: at me, stunned, and he said how much do you drink? 324 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: I said, oh, I don't know, thirty maybe forty beers 325 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: and a few scotches. He said, what a week? I said, no, 326 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: a day, and he just shook his head. 327 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: He was and you'd come out of the a a 328 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: seat because your body. 329 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, we put more. I can't remember the drake, 330 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: but we put more of that into you than we've 331 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: ever used on any patient in this medical center. 332 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: He said, yep. 333 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: There were two moments in time where it's sort of 334 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: jumping forward a bit, but where I break on the record, 335 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: and that was one and the other was when they 336 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: pinched me in Wagga eventually pinched me in Wogan. I 337 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: end up in jail, and when in my core case 338 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: they said that the New Sophial's Drug Laboratory has analyzed 339 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: this marijuana miss Hols it was caught with, and it 340 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: has got the highest level of THC content of any 341 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: drugs ever analyzed in this laboratory. Oh is that right? Yeah? 342 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: Only ever saw a good day. I shouldn't. I shouldn't 343 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: make fun of it. I'm actually if anybody is the 344 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: ideal candidate as a campaigner against drugs, it's me. I 345 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: hate the bloody things. I don't dislike field graum marijuana. 346 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: It's got its medicinal services and properties, and I don't 347 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: know that I've never known anybody to go with their 348 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: trolley smoking dape. More people on booze as you well know. 349 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: But as to powder acid, the marijuana they grow these 350 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: days using chemicals to I hate it. I despise it, 351 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: and I despised and Rex families, not just the individual 352 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: Rex family. So I'm a I'm a big Andi drug. 353 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: Campaigner and you know from the inside out. Yeah, so 354 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: that's Adelaide. You've lost a finger. You've gained a friend 355 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: who's maybe I don't know if he's an asset to 356 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: you or not. 357 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: The gouger, the gouger introduced me to Bob Hawk. We 358 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: got on. 359 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 360 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: Well the gouger was a shearer and a labor party man. Yeah, 361 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: Mick Young, Mick Young, Mick Young. He introduced me, and 362 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: Mick Young took me to Mick Young's house for a 363 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: labor thing one night, did he yep? And when he 364 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: was head of the trade union, he burst into the 365 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: door of the Broado Hotel one afternoon lunchtime. 366 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Goager, here you going there? We're going down the port 367 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: for a drink. 368 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: And Gougers said, Bobby said, I'd like you to meet 369 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: my friend, right, He said, here, you're going right, and 370 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: I right on me And I'll tell you what. When 371 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: you're in Bob's company and you were talking with him, 372 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: you're the only person in the room as far as 373 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: you're concerned. He never took his eyes off you, and 374 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: he was genuinely interested. He was a very interesting man. 375 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody hold a room the way Hawpit 376 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: hold of room. So we went down the port and 377 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: we got on the turfs here and there were blacks 378 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: off from the getting a fridge or get him a TV. 379 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: You know, they were all working on the docks, and 380 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: Bob graciously declined on each occasion. 381 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: Yes, he was home, really South Australian. And what happened next. 382 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: Left Adelaide, went to Aubrey, met a girl, got married, 383 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: and it was good for a while. It was good 384 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: for a long time. 385 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: Actually, we're still on the booze. 386 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was still drinking. 387 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: You're in Aubury, you're on the booze big time. You're married. 388 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: I think your father in law doesn't love it, because 389 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: you'd be described yourself with a critical light at that time. 390 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: You're a smart ass. 391 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: He would have seen me as such. Yeah, and quite frankly, 392 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, yes I was, because I remember a good 393 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: made of mine saying to him years and years later 394 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: when I save it up and back in Aubury. He said, 395 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: when you were living here in Aubury at that time, 396 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: he said, you were the most pompous person I'd ever 397 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: met in my life. And I was stunned to hear it. 398 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: But on reflection, that's exactly what I was. I was 399 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: so full of myself, you know, the Blaker has been 400 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: everywhere and done everything. 401 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a bore and which, by the way. 402 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: Is the worst insult you can ever offer a man. Yes, 403 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: you're a. 404 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: Bore any version of that word. Really, And you got 405 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: interested in acting at some point? Was that much later? 406 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: That was later, But that's all part of the game. 407 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: There was a bit of an actor, A hell of. 408 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: A lot of acting in the in the d trade, 409 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: in bar work, just in being you know, in winning. 410 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot of acting in winning. Some people call 411 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: it people pleasing. I don't call it that. That's a 412 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: deliberate attempt to make people like you that always comes 413 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: to disaster. It's so obvious. It's about fitting in, being entertaining, 414 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: and allowing the other person to get their bloody word 415 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: in you. If you're going to talk all the time 416 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: and over the top of people, you are a. 417 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: Bore, you know, fully yourself because you've had ups and 418 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: downs and ups and downs and ups and downs. What 419 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: happened next? 420 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: A mate from North Queensland contacted me and said I've 421 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: got this stuff and can you move afore me? And 422 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: I'd retired. I got out of the game. I hadn't 423 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: been pinched and not even been questioned about it, and 424 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: I said, yeah right. I wanted to make some money 425 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: because I was working as a barman, getting barman's wages. 426 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: And when you go from thirty grand in two days 427 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: to barman's wages, the temptations too strong and I got 428 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: pinched and police pistol in my head in Wagga and 429 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: I ended up in court and ended up being given 430 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: a year on the bottom and six years on the top. 431 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: I got the year on the bottom because of the 432 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: incredible bloody argument my barrister put up. They wanted to 433 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: give me eight months which mains straight to maximum security, 434 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: with a year to silver Water. I was in silver 435 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: Water for about six weeks, got transferred from there to 436 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: go directly to Manus Prison farm in Tambaramba via Golban 437 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: for one night, but the screws were on strike out, 438 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: spending four days and nights in Golban and the first 439 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: day that I was in there, they released me into 440 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: Sea Yard. And the stuff I saw in Sea Yard 441 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: was so vile. What these guys weightlifting and what have you? 442 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: What they were doing with these three white boys. I 443 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: called the screw over and I said, if you don't 444 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: get me out of this yard now, I'm never going 445 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: to leave jail. I'm either going to get killed or 446 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to stay here for murder because I will 447 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: go over there to those weightlifters and I will tear 448 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 2: into them. Now, how many am I going to do? 449 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: The serious boys? So the screw very kindly sent me 450 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: up to the library and I spent three days in 451 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: the library and then I'm transferred to Manus Prison Farm, 452 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: where I did the remainder of my sentence, which was 453 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: about four months. Hopefully I was in there for twelve months. 454 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: But if they say you've done something wrong with you 455 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: stepped out of line, then they can extend it and 456 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: send you back to the bay. I mean, I had six. 457 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Years on the top, so it could have ended up. Yeah. 458 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: I mean some of those guys who were getting booze 459 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: brought into the perimeter fence and going running down there 460 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: after dark and grabbing it, and one of them offered 461 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: me a beer, and one of the other guys said, no, 462 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: don't you doddy touch it. He said, you do anything wrong, 463 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: He said, you get shango back. I was looked after. 464 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I was thirty years of age, obvious, baby 465 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: or anything. But these guys, if they like you, they'll 466 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: steer you right, It's like, and why did they like you? 467 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: I was genuine. Now I'd look them in the eye, 468 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: I'd tell them the truth. I refer umpire a game 469 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: of footing in there. One of the most dangerous hour 470 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: and a half. 471 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: Is that a fact? 472 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: They looken't like the whistle being blown on him. 473 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: Oh they didn't, were they were? They a little bit rough? 474 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: Oh the blakes are coming up and chesting me and saying, 475 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: you know what do you think you're doing? That's not 476 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: a free kick. And I said, mate, I'm just I 477 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: couldn't play because I had a crooked legs, so I 478 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: couldn't run off. 479 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: Oh that's not good. 480 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: And you don't run. 481 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Anyway, No, you don't run's refereeing. The most dangerous time 482 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: of your very dangerous life was umpiring a game of 483 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: reels football at tumb on a prison fan. 484 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: There was another time we played a game of a 485 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: cricket against the town Is on the town Oval. Yeah, 486 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: and I played in it. Oh yeah, and I whacked 487 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 2: a few balls and what have you. But this this 488 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: other guy has gone crack and he's hit a massive 489 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: six over the fence and into the trees and bushes, 490 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: and well, every ey that was blake playing again says 491 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: we're fielding. Every fielder on the field started running for 492 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: the fence. 493 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: Convicts. 494 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, screws are blowing their whissels right there, can't anybody 495 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: go over the events. 496 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: A couple of them may not come back. Yeah, Oh, 497 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: how funny is that? Now your book is. 498 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: Called take My Advice? I'm not using it published by 499 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: published by Allen. 500 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: And how many years in the making. 501 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: Well, Barry Humphreys suggested I write it twenty six years ago. Yeah, 502 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: I'd thought about writing a book well before then. But 503 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: he's saying that to me. 504 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: Prompted me an AA meeting, was it? Yeah, at the 505 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: end we're at Bundo Beach, Bundo Beach. Yeah, I don't 506 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: talk too much about AA. We ourselves, we don't use 507 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: to publicize ourselves. But saved my life, so I'll say that, 508 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: and you know it's a piece of history. Barry, Yeah, 509 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: Barry's always alcohol. We're very yeah, and I have to you. 510 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: Know, I met some wonderful people there. But he suggested that. 511 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: So that was twenty six years ago. And then I 512 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: got saber and built businesses. And I started one business, 513 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: a pressure washing business in aubury when I was sixty two. 514 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: Started with five grand, and I sold it eight years later. 515 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: It maybe a million dollars. I didn't get a million 516 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: dollars for it. I got six figures for it, mid 517 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: six figures, and I owned a house out of it ditch, 518 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: had no debt. But yeah, I may well over a 519 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: million dollars off that five grand, purely by getting out 520 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: of bed early and working and by selling by marketing. 521 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: Marketing is the key to body business success. Yeah, I 522 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: don't know you're there. They won't come. 523 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: So possibly your next book might be about how I 524 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: turned five bucks into whatever. You know now, I dare say. 525 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: We could go on a lot, but you can't tell 526 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: every story that's in the book, because there are dozens 527 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: of stories in the book, and this is just a 528 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: select sample of them. Where did the title come from? 529 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: An AA meeting. Did it, Yeah, it's not my thought. 530 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: Somebody said that really early on? Did that? He said 531 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 2: take my advice, I'm not using it, and I heard it. 532 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: That's the title. The reason this book is with Alan 533 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: Arman is because I was at a literary event at 534 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: Aubrey Library and Chris Masters was speaking yes and he 535 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: was talking about a particular businessman and he's involvement in crime. 536 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: And I went up to him after as I said, 537 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: you're on the money, and he just looked me up 538 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: and down. He said, how would you know? And I 539 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: told him about my history with Gaeta and say Fith 540 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: and we had a chat for about ten minutes and 541 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: I told him I was intended writing my last story 542 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: and he said, if you have any trouble getting a publisher, 543 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: give me a call, and he gave me his card. 544 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: I was sitting at home ten years later on a 545 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: Sunday watching the show that Masters put on about Robert Smith, 546 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: and I thought I still got his number and I 547 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: look at my phone. There it was. I sent him 548 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: a text three o'clock Sunday, AVO. A minute later I 549 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: got a text back sent me the first thirty pages, 550 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: which I did half hour later. I got a text back, 551 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: do you want me to approach my publisher or do 552 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: you want to do it nice a year please? And 553 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: he's the one who introduced me to Elizabeth Wes, the publisher. Yes, 554 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: and but for Chris, I'd still be knocking on doors. 555 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: I shook his hand last night at a riper Blakes 556 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, great reporter and yeah, very gutsy, gutsyutsy, great 557 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: family full of Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well that's so wonderful 558 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: young you and Chris Masters. 559 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: I just want to say thanks to him, because that 560 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: sort of help is invaluable, and to yourself too, and 561 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: to Bill Gray and to all the other people who 562 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: have stepped in and give me a leg up. You know, 563 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: I don't mention Blake's names. They might not appreciate it, 564 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: but there are people in the radio game who have 565 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: really through introductions of people. Don't know. I looked at 566 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: my phone recently, got four thousand names in there. Two 567 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: thousand of my clients, but two thousand of my No. Personally, 568 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 2: what do you doing that? You sold your business in aubury? 569 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: What are you doing now? Book in the book? That's it? 570 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: By copy? 571 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: With that? Yeah? Oh well, I promise and that's all 572 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking to people listening to us out there. Yeah, 573 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: won't regret it. Rod Helsteed, thanks for coming in all 574 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: the way from Aubrey and we hope to see you again. 575 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 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