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Speaker 3: Verel's are you going to Sammy?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, Maddie. Thanks having on. You know, Keeps has

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Speaker 1: Only answer when I need something which moves, He'll answer

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Speaker 2: Keeps, Hey, thanks, proud of me, Sam. Before we get

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Speaker 4: Or one memory is that we want camp together. Correct,

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Speaker 2: Would you say he's he's been like your biggest impact

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Speaker 4: I love him for it.

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Speaker 1: He is the chill and Avalon like that here growing

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Speaker 1: up in Avalon, it's such a such a beautiful place.

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Speaker 4: mon of Our Raiders as well growing up and moved

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Speaker 2: Honest, he's quite arrogant, and he was.

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Speaker 4: He was a bit arrogant. I thought he was. He

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Speaker 3: He did he did.

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Speaker 2: And he'd always nail it. Like everything he did, he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but his back was always and his back was

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Speaker 3: Was always bad. Oh my.

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Speaker 2: But he put these talpies up and he'd absolutely drill them.

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Speaker 1: To that that kick, it's called the eleven on one.

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Speaker 1: And now what I mean eleven and one. It's like

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Speaker 3: Probably not.

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Speaker 3: Sorry about that. Boys, listen, I'll go and have a

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Speaker 3: swim and come back.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into the roosters, something a very important

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Speaker 2: moment that happened in your life between your manly days

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Speaker 2: and your rooster's when we were about fifteen years old,

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Speaker 2: the passing of your eldest brother Jack. First of all,

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Speaker 2: what kind of what kind of bloke was your brother Jack?

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Speaker 2: Because I never got to meet him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was just a very very funny bloke. He

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Speaker 4: loved to beer, loved to siey. You know, he was

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Speaker 4: super young when he passed. He was twenty years old

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Speaker 4: when he passed, and you know, he was the laugh

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Speaker 4: it was tough times for the family. And you know

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Speaker 4: it's gone on ten years now next year, which is

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Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a twin, wasn't he?

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Speaker 4: Early on? He was a twin, but he never made

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Speaker 4: it out by the twin. Yeah, so he ate him.

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Speaker 2: That's that's bizarre because you're you're a twin as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twin, Yeah right, that's what's really was up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the effect I suppose you were quite young, and

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Speaker 2: the people always talk about it all the time where

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Speaker 4: They think I still remember this day clearly. We actually

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Speaker 4: waking up at seven o'clock to my mum's screaming, and

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Speaker 4: the family. And for me, like my outlet was just

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Speaker 4: to go play footy that day, and you know, because

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Speaker 4: I thought that's a little way to escape. And you know,

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Speaker 4: it was tough times, but it really brought the community.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Avalon's a really tight community, so he

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Speaker 4: brought everyone close together. And my family's always been pretty close.

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Speaker 4: But you know, since that day, you know we're one

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Speaker 4: break will, to be honest, and yeah, it was a

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Speaker 4: tough day, but yeah, for me to go play footy

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Speaker 4: that day, it was just an outlet, you know, let

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Speaker 2: Because you played. I still remember that a lot of us,

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Speaker 2: we didn't know what had happened out because you'd obviously

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Speaker 2: just found out that morning, but you know you were

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Speaker 2: quite quiet in the sheds and then you went out

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Speaker 2: and just like I don't know how you did it,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with me, you went out and scored

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Speaker 2: two tries, got me out of the match, and then

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Speaker 2: it obviously came out afterwards sort of what I remember

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Speaker 2: you and your family have been against Wes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking talking to your dad not too far

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Speaker 1: after and I said to himself, I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: he's special boy in fact, and he said that that

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Speaker 1: you said because your captain. You said, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: to the game, quite unbelievable, and when to talking to

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Speaker 1: the boys from the Roosters about it, Sorry, sir, they're

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Speaker 1: always they had a lot of clubs try to do

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Speaker 1: they asked about you, and I just said, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what type of kid he is, and you know

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Speaker 1: that was I'm sorry, mate.

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Speaker 2: I read something because you spoke about it in detail before,

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Speaker 2: but I read something where you know you and I

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Speaker 2: remember going to your house not long after it, and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't The vibe in your house is it's like

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Speaker 2: Jack hasn't really left you guys, like you know, it's

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Speaker 2: very much you guys, very keep him, Like in the

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Speaker 2: families do you talk about him all the time, like

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Speaker 2: you ride him on your wrists before every game? I

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Speaker 2: suppose how big a motivation has he been for you

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Speaker 4: He's been massive for me, to be honest, obviously when

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Speaker 4: every game from you know, Game one to where I'm

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Speaker 4: right now, he's always on my wrist. And he was

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Speaker 4: us everywhere we go, and you know, we never ever

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Speaker 4: it's almost ten years now. It's just crazy how time flies.

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Speaker 4: And you know that the day that he passed, obviously

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Speaker 4: you go back to that and you know, I just

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Speaker 1: All the lads.

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Speaker 4: It's always just good to get out and just play

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Speaker 4: footing and you know as soon as you go back home.

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Speaker 4: That's why we talk about Avalon. I mean the type

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Speaker 4: You know, Mum's got so many friends, Dad's got so

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Speaker 4: many friends, and you know we really talk about you know,

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Speaker 4: his life, and you know we'll never forget about him.

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Speaker 2: Because mental health, like particularly in this area of the

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Speaker 2: the last kind of five years, the amount of suicides

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Speaker 2: that you blokes I went to school with, blokes you

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Speaker 2: you know, what is what did somebody who's experienced it

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Speaker 2: quite personally yourself? What do you think? What do you

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Speaker 4: Northern Beaches, is there is a lot of suicidea and

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Speaker 4: sure if it's just a transition. Obviously, he had a

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Speaker 4: And I'm not too sure. It's obviously just you know

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Speaker 4: you know, the eighteen to twenty year olds that seem

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Speaker 4: that life's too too hard. But you know, if they

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Speaker 4: some much more to live, you know than you're twenty

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Speaker 4: years old. You know, he's still a kid, so you know,

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Speaker 4: if you just got through those couple of days. You know,

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Speaker 4: my dad's spoken about it. The week leading up to

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Speaker 4: it was We're at home having dinner and he was

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Speaker 4: just always upset. He was in tears, he was going

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Speaker 4: And you know Dad always says he has if you

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Speaker 4: had that time over again, that week.

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Speaker 1: Could do it a full three sixties.

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Speaker 2: So it is.

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Speaker 4: It is unfortunate, and like I said, we do miss

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Speaker 4: not sure. I think just people's been young and thinking

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Speaker 1: I wrote that a song of the U two album

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Speaker 1: you can't get out of and you know that that

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Speaker 1: and I think that is exactly true, Sam, is that

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Speaker 1: in particular because they haven't got the emotional maturity to

436
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, this is just a dark cloud part.

437
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,960
Speaker 1: It'll pass. Just come on, let's get through that.

438
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I appreciate you talking about that as well.

439
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,160
Speaker 2: Something like one of our good mates obviously Nico Hines

440
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 2: as well as a big mental health advocate, that he's

441
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 2: had his own personal experiences with mental health. But you know,

442
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 2: if we don't, you know better than anyone, you know,

443
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 2: we got to talk about it, and it's it's such

444
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: an important thing in the world at the moment, like

445
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. Ultimately we had Gussie All the

446
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 2: nine earlier in the year as well, he said, Ultimately

447
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,679
Speaker 2: the goal is if you if we're not striving to

448
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 2: have zero suicides in Australia, then we're not you know,

449
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean we're not hitting we're not hitting our goal,

450
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 2: which is so true.

451
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 4: One absolute legend as well, Gussie there. Yeah, yeah, life,

452
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 4: it's still a really good job there.

453
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: It's amazing how quick how things change, you know. I

454
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: think the best example would be, well it's not the best, ye,

455
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: but example that we can all relate to is the

456
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,360
Speaker 1: dynamic and a RABUL League club. Now I can tell

457
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 1: you now my first pre season was nineteen eighty nine,

458
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 1: and if someone had come out and said, listen, you know,

459
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm feeling down. I think I'm sorry, I'm depressed, and

460
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 1: like guys would literally laugh at you, and you'd be mocked,

461
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: and you'll be I think in some instances people would

462
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: you'd be ostracized. Now that is completely the opposite.

463
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,719
Speaker 4: Now for a workshops are now in place, and now

464
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 4: that I was trying really hard to.

465
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: Do, particularly like you know, you guys, I mean you

466
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: look at like you guys just still really a lot

467
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: of ways you boys still, you know, I mean you

468
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: don't realize until you get past fifty, the fact that

469
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: even when someone's in their twenties, it's still boys, you know.

470
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: And to be to be in a high pressure environment

471
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: like professional sport and all the attention of drawers and

472
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: the criticisms and everything with it, it is it's very

473
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: very tough, very difficult.

474
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: Back onto your footy. You know, we spoke about manly

475
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: then you go to the Roosters. Dad sort of spoke

476
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: about you, spoke about that day at Penrith when the

477
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: Scout first saw you. I wanted to ask did you

478
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: meet with any other clubs before you met with the Roosters.

479
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: Were there any other clubs at interest?

480
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: Not any other clubs. I remember Manly, this is when

481
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: you were going down to Melbourne as well that year,

482
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 4: and Manly offered me to stay for the twenties for

483
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 4: a couple of years, and I remember Roosters offered me.

484
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I was working for you know, aighteen

485
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 4: Electrical at the time, being a sparky, and you know,

486
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 4: I was really thinking about just staying, doing my apprenticeship

487
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 4: and then playing twenties with Manly, not really thinking about,

488
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: you know, if I can make it or not. And

489
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 4: I remember speaking new keeps is gone, Oh, you've got

490
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 4: to give it a crack, speaking old man saying, got

491
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 4: to give it a crack. And I thought, you know,

492
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 4: why not just jump at this opportunity. And it was

493
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: really only the russ or Manly, and yeah, I chose

494
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: to go to the Roosters. And it turned out all right.

495
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: Who'd you meet? Who were the people you met? Was

496
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: Politis and stuff involved?

497
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 4: He wasn't involved. I remember going out in the Coodjie

498
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: and we caught up with Craig Walker and a few

499
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 4: of the boys there, and I was with my mum

500
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: and dad I remember the first thing Craig Walker said,

501
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 4: I used to have long hair back in the day,

502
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 4: and he was tied up in a ponytail.

503
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what I was doing, what I was doing.

504
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 3: I forgot about what I.

505
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 4: Was doing anyway. And the first thing Craig Walker said

506
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 4: to me, he goes, I shug his hand. Hey mate,

507
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 4: how I mame Sam, He goes, the first thing you're

508
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: going to do is cut that hair. And I was

509
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 4: like sweet. So the first thing I did was co

510
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: back and cut my hand. But yeah, that was my

511
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 4: first interaction with the roosters. And ye, as soon as

512
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: I went over there was I was pretty keen to

513
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 4: jump over there.

514
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: Robo Robo.

515
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: I never met Robo when I was signing, but when

516
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: I got into the twenties, that's when I first started

517
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: seeing him around and first had my first interaction there.

518
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: When I was at the twenties, it was sunny there,

519
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: sunny just he just left.

520
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 4: He left, but he actually came back in twenty twenty

521
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: when COVID hit and he came back. He was at

522
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 4: Toronto actually, and then he came back and he played

523
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. For I was mean. Radley did ournee,

524
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 4: so we couldn't get to play with him, but it

525
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: was still a pretty cool experience.

526
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: He was, what about it was like training. I remember

527
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: one day I don't know why I was over that way,

528
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: but I run a robber and he said, may come.

529
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: And I have looked through the training headquarters and Sunny

530
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: was in their training and I was like, holy shit.

531
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: I think everyone was just so, you know, in all

532
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 4: of him, because you know he's done so many great

533
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 4: things in the game, and all of a sudden your

534
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: teammates with him. It's pretty crazy. And he's pretty humble bloke.

535
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: I heard a story about him, seeing right, They that

536
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: that first stint he he was playing, he got he

537
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: got sick earlier in the week and he just got

538
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: progressively worse, and the doctor said there's no way he'll play.

539
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: And he said to Robbo, let me just I'll come.

540
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: I'll see if I can warm up and wait till

541
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: the end of the warm up. Anyway, he couldn't. He

542
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: was that crook. He could warm up. So he's sitting

543
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: in the corner. He's just got a towel over his head,

544
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: his head down. This is not far from kickoff, right,

545
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: Everyone's going the hell's going on and he just went

546
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: Bush took it off, stood up and said let's go.

547
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: When that got me out of the Yeah, wow, he's

548
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: an absolute machine. Scary two thousand nineteen. You make your

549
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: that's your real breakout, you make your debut. It was

550
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: down at Melbourne against the Storm.

551
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was down in Melbourne. Was when Trel got

552
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 4: his drop goal forty out just yeah, crazy finished to

553
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: a game, that's right. Yeah, it was down there. It

554
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: was Cooper Kronk's first game back in Melbourne.

555
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yes, what was that? What was that week

556
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: like leading in because I imagine like there was a

557
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: couple of you debuting that game.

558
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it actually happened, so seha see wha takeyaho

559
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: was he was actually injured in the warm up, and

560
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: then eightighth man was Josh Current that's right, and then

561
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: Josh Karen was You know, I didn't tell any fan

562
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 4: like he was eighth fan back then, eighth man you're

563
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 4: not really going to get on the field commed to nowadays.

564
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: And he had no family down there or only then

565
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: he ended up day beyond that night and pretty crazy story.

566
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: But what was that week like? Because imagine it would

567
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: have been a big build up for you. It's your

568
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: debut week, they'd make it, you know, the clubs make

569
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: it very special if he's your day boo week. But

570
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: I imagine would have been a big week for Cooper

571
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: Kronk as well, going back down to Melbourne.

572
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a big week in general as well

573
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: because it was a Grand Final rematch from the eighteen

574
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: as well. And nervous Yeah, oh no, cool, It's fine

575
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: because I only played like ten to fifteen minutes. But

576
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 4: just to get on that night was was pretty cool.

577
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: And because I remember my family.

578
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: You got on quite early, but you went off almost

579
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: as quickly as you went on. Was it was that

580
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: a lungs that did it?

581
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, I'm done, really start na

582
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: I went on. I went on pretty late. Keep so

583
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: obviously didn't watch the game.

584
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: Recent so I did watch it.

585
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: I did watch it. I wasn't down there at the time,

586
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: but I remember thinking like, you're on pump for you

587
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: and then you went. You looked like because a lot

588
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: of people say your debut goes, it's literally like that.

589
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: The game is so quick for you, going from kind

590
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: of at that junior into a first grade system that

591
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: you can barely. I can barely remember some of the

592
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: moments in my debut game.

593
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 4: They played what ten to fifteen minutes, but I went

594
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: on about six fifth minute mark, and I think it

595
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: was a close game, and it was just the ho

596
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: was blown early. He's trying to get involved. You're waiting

597
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: for sixty minutes to get on for your debut, and

598
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 4: you're just trying to do everything when you get on,

599
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 4: and you know, I think I made eight or nine

600
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: tackles in like, you know, two minutes. It was this

601
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: gas but I think he ended up going into extra

602
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: time and then yeah, trail left foot.

603
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay, what about this semi so you're going on? How

604
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: surreal did it feel that you go? You go on

605
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: against the greatest hook of all time? Yeah, Cameron Smith.

606
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 4: As soon as soon as I got on, I remember

607
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: him at mark or he was at a and then

608
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 4: I just thought straight away I want to pick up

609
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: the ball and just run straight at him, to be honest,

610
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: And I remember he clipped my ear and all my sudden,

611
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: my ear drums like burst and I couldn't hear any

612
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 4: and I think you just must have whacked it or something.

613
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: So it was pretty cool to verse in my first

614
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 4: game and then fast forward verse me in the prelim

615
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: that year at the SCG and you know, to play

616
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 4: him twice was pretty cool, I said, mark of the game.

617
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: I go, yeah, you know, such a privileged adverse he

618
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: made and you know he's the greatest player of all

619
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 4: time and to be able to I'm actually two wins

620
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: from two against him as well, so you.

621
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Got even you could nearly be the greatest record ever.

622
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: Against today.

623
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: It's a media or that that year was. It's phenomenal

624
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: because I remember watching you. You came off, you came

625
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: off the bench for North Sydney, You're playing against Jack,

626
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: so you've got you went from on the bench for

627
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: New South Wales Cup within the same season playing starting

628
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: in the Grand final first. It was amazing.

629
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 4: It was just a crazy year, to be honest. And

630
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 4: I wasn't even guaranteed a contracts because I was still

631
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: contract for the twenties and you know, I've had a

632
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: good year in the under twenties that year and Robo

633
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 4: gave me the call up to just have six weeks

634
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: of pre season before Christmas started, and then Robbo said

635
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 4: it at Christmas time, he wants me to stay for

636
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: another six weeks after and it sort of just kept

637
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: going like that, and he obviously gave me then a

638
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: rookie deal, and then rookie deal went into a top

639
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: thirty deal and you know, playing a Grand Final that year,

640
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: So it was a pretty pretty quick year.

641
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: Everything happened so far, and it's crazy for you, Like

642
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: young kids, don't. You don't realize it in the moment.

643
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: How long Everyone always says a week is a long

644
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: time in rugby league. Just stay patient, and as a kid,

645
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: you're like, mate, no, they're full of shit. I need

646
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: it happened now. But you don't realize until you look

647
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: back on some experience, like your experience just then. Niko

648
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: Hines is another one who you went down to Melbourne

649
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: just for a preseason, similar thing they did barely just

650
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: kept extending extending it. A year later he's on the

651
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: bench for their Grand Final and his careers kicked on

652
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: since then. You play fourteen games that year, I think

653
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: you're nearly one of like the in terms of a

654
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: Grand Final appearance. In relation to how many games you've played,

655
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: you're nearly one of the shortest games into a Grand Final.

656
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: How surreal was that day for you? Like what are

657
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 2: you feeling on Grand Final Day that day in twenty

658
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: and nineteen because they were going for back to back

659
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: premierships that year.

660
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously no one's done back to back in years

661
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: at that time. Obviously Penros is absolutely gone four in

662
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: a row. So you know, I remember that day. It

663
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: was obviously we're in a day camp and you know,

664
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: obviously playing fourteen games, it's a it's a pretty big moment.

665
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: And you know, I remember when I got to the game,

666
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 4: I didn't actually I told myself I didn't want to

667
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: go out into the field and look around because I

668
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: just didn't want to. Didn't want to see it and

669
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: soak it all in the d and so I stayed

670
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: in the sheds and I can just remember, you know,

671
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: the sheds is like soundproof, and ain't of course stat

672
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: in my court now. And all of a sudden, the

673
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: two minute bell goes. We opened the door, and all

674
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I hear the big row and I'm like,

675
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: holy shit, here we go.

676
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: What I'm I about to go out to?

677
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously you go and playing in front

678
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: of thirty thousand, which is pretty cool, and you know,

679
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: playing in front of you eighty four thousand running out,

680
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: I just had to, you know, take a big breath in,

681
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: and I remember looking at the screen and they've just

682
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: got a camera right on me because Jake friend was

683
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: actually he was a chance of playing that week in

684
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: the prelim and then he got ruled out and he

685
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 4: wasn't going to play it. Then all of a sudden,

686
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: there was all these talks about is he going to play?

687
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: Is he's not going to play? And he ended up

688
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: playing off the bench, and so yeah, Robo made me start,

689
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: which is pretty cool. And but yeah, just running out,

690
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: I just saw the camera right in my face and

691
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, here we go.

692
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to tell your twin brother, Olie.

693
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe me.

694
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: People, it is a twin you.

695
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: A little bit different, but we are twins.

696
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but tell us the.

697
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: Story pre game where I believe that twin brother, Oli,

698
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: he's because you're right. All the conjecture was semi verrel

699
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: is going to start, is Jake going to start?

700
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: You're going to drop out of squad?

701
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: And Olie's your twins Happily not long before kickoff and

702
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: he's coming back from the bar with the beers and where.

703
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: The rooster goes, oh sent me not playing? Oh yeah,

704
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: I am. It's just say, Robert, have a few beers.

705
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: I remember.

706
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: I remember because we had a whole big, you know,

707
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: two buses full of all my family and my mates

708
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: come from Avalon and Oliver obviously we're identical. He looks

709
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: exactly like me, and he's got Rus's jersey on, and

710
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: you know they've been drinking since ten o'clock that morning.

711
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: He's had a lot of beers and you know he's

712
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: gone up to you know, the bar and he's got

713
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: four beers in his hand, and some bloke next to

714
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: him is obviously Russ fan. He must have been blind

715
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: as well. He's just like, what's going on and he's

716
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: just going on, Robo, lets me have a few beers,

717
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: settle these going on and winning the game. And he

718
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: was just like, oh it was robbos or Robbo's masterclass.

719
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: We're not just winning the game. Like you score the

720
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: first try in a Grand Final, which was huge because

721
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: that that team you guys had with star studded Cooper Krunk,

722
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: James Tedesco, Luke Keary and if you if you watch

723
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: that try, it's a quick play the ball, but all

724
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: of those key blokes actually wanted it. They're all calling

725
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: for it. Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, you decide to take off

726
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: the confidence you must have had you take off score

727
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: right next to the post against the Raiders.

728
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Right footstep.

729
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's I wanted to ask her, because like, what

730
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: what sort of confidence did those players put in you

731
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: to just back yourself, because that's a big thing for

732
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: a young kid in a Grand Final to not give

733
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: it to Cooper Chronicle Tedesca when they're calling for it.

734
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was last as well, and I

735
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: just obviously Radley played it pretty quickly, but the whole

736
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: memory went pretty fast, to be honest, And I think

737
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: the best thing for my career was to come up

738
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: in that system and play in front of all those players,

739
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: and you know, Teddy was, you know, the best player

740
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: in the world at that time and just killing it

741
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: and obviously playing with Cooper Kiri, you know, even Jared

742
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: as the front row like we had. Every single player

743
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: was just so good and they always just kept reminding me,

744
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: you know, just back yourself whenever you want. And you know,

745
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: Coops was a big one, to be honest, and you know,

746
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: I've been a half back. He used to always talk

747
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: to me. Just whatever you see, just back yourself and

748
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: you're here for a reason. And yeah, it was last playing.

749
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: I don't know why I didn't pass, so I just kept

750
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: running and it turned out to be good for me.

751
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny we coach at like halves or save mate, listen,

752
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: just back yourself, just you. You just run and then

753
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you run. They go, what the fuck?

754
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Was there a moment the week before I remember you're

755
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: telling me we're to be like I think there was

756
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: the week after that Grand Final reflect on it, but

757
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: I remember you sort of saying the prelim the week

758
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: before there was a quick to play, there was a

759
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: quick playable and you passed it and didn't didn't run, yeah,

760
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: or something like that. And and in the week of

761
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: review leading that Grand Final, Cooper Kronk grabs your and

762
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: he said, see that, Samy, like you didn't back yourself

763
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: there or something.

764
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like, that was one time that he

765
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: said that. And I think the big games he always

766
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: talks about just be more like the games are going

767
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: to be more simple, and you know, Keeps was massive

768
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: for my development of the game. Obviously, he's a half back,

769
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: but you know he was he was massive for me

770
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 4: that first year and obviously he stayed on coaching, and

771
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: you know, I'm so lucky to be able to play

772
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: with him and you know pretty much every single one

773
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: of those players that in that game.

774
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: How do you prepare for games, Sammi, I'm pretty laid back, to.

775
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: Be honest, and you know, playing at the Titans now,

776
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: we play a lot of day games, to be honest,

777
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: and so it sort of just comes really fast. We

778
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: played with the day games, but with night games, I

779
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: kind of just kick back, obviously sleeping, make wrecky or

780
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: gout to rerecy with with partner and can't say missus

781
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: obviously tris blowing up.

782
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Tria was upstairs and Sammy, what have you been doing?

783
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: I just over suits with the Missus. She was like

784
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: horror all the things she's heard this house.

785
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: Too, So I'm trying to stay partner.

786
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: Now, well done, Mad Monday celebrations. I'd imagine it was

787
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Cooper Cronks last year. You've just gone back to back

788
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: run us through that week? What did your how how

789
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: big a week was it? Because growing up in Avalon,

790
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean you've had some big nights in your life,

791
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: and where does that week compare.

792
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all it's all a massive blurred to be honest.

793
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: It happened really pretty fast, but yeah it was. We

794
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: went on until about Wednesday night Thursday morning and obviously

795
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: not but that's where we ended up, you know. And yeah,

796
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 4: it was just as you do after a grand funal,

797
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: matey you know, Coops, maybe not.

798
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: We read the dog. You don't for a few days.

799
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: But I was just thinking then when you said about

800
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: the bus loads, a couple of bus loads, I'm imagining

801
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: all your mates, the Avalon boys go and take a

802
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: seat and all of a sudden.

803
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: Victor's Victor Radley's all his mates.

804
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: So Victor and all his brothers, and Ted and all

805
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: their brothers and my brother they all went and kicked

806
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: on as well, like they won the grand Final and

807
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 4: we're at the bowl and they're at one of the

808
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: boy's houses kicking on as well. It's like they're having

809
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: their mad one day and Bill has to go to

810
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: work and my brother he's got to go to work

811
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: the next day and he calls me. I've got his

812
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: phone somehow. I don't know how I got his phone,

813
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: but he's text me off Radley's brother's phone, and Billy's

814
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: wigging out, and he comes to our Mad Monday, and

815
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: as you do, there's about twenty cameras in the corner,

816
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: and I've walked out and all the cameras just filmed Billy,

817
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: and Billy's out.

818
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: Giving him the phone. He starts stressing out, he's going

819
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: to get out of here.

820
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: How was Cooper Chronkle on that Mad Monday?

821
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a I can't remember now, he's obviously

822
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 4: had a few beers.

823
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought because he's quite well, he

824
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: sees himself quite straight one eighty. But I mean his

825
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: last year, and.

826
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 4: He definitely had a big couple of days. But you know,

827
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: it was twenty ninety. Now, I can't remember.

828
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to say world play give me a

829
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: little test there.

830
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: Cooper asses to do that.

831
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: The next couple of years for you at the Chrookies,

832
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: you do your you spoke about earlier, You do your

833
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: ACL in twenty twenty, you have some collar bone issues

834
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: the following year. Ultimately, with a couple of injuries, roosters

835
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: end up buying a couple of hookers. You decided to

836
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: leave and go up to the Titans. I wanted to

837
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: ask you how hard was that, especially as a young

838
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: fella winning a Grand final. You obviously so have such

839
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: a soft spot for that Roosters club, that organization, who

840
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: were just a beast. How hard was it to leave?

841
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

842
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: It was pretty hard. I can't understand their decision to

843
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: sign a top quality play with Brandon, And you know

844
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: I had from twenty twenty onwards. When I left, I had,

845
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: you know, an eye probably attached my right now. Then

846
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: colib on issues broke my thumb, so it was very

847
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: stop starting. And obviously, if you're not playing games, you

848
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: know you're not gonna stay on for too long. And

849
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: they had the opportunity to sign another hooker, and when

850
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 4: they did that, I sort of knew that my time

851
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: was up to leave. But you know, I don't hold

852
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: any grudges. It's still have very good memories at the club,

853
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: got great mates at the club still, and you know,

854
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: my time was up there and I'm now at the

855
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: Goldie really loving my life. You know, met my missus

856
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: up there and you know there it is sorry, Trish,

857
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: you know I had it. Yeah, there's a great, great,

858
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: great crew up there in the Goldie and obviously the

859
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: last few years we haven't got the wins that we wanted,

860
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: but obviously Dav's been there and you know, we signed

861
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: Reagan Campbell Gillard and it's looking pretty promising next year,

862
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 4: so I'm looking forward to it.

863
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: It's, you know, like that with the rooster situation. Ruthlessness

864
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: is synonymous with big clubs. Yeah, and that's the thing

865
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: and when you got when you go to a big club,

866
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: but it's a looking world sport, you know, me and

867
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: you back in the day and real Madrid is that

868
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: it's just it's you know, firstly, it's an honor to

869
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: go to those clubs and secondly you understand that they

870
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: are a ruthless organization. That's why they're at the top.

871
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: But for you to go there at that age, play there,

872
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: win a Grand Final, the thing about it is, mate,

873
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: they'll never forget that, yeah, you know, like some people

874
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: will be the club clubs for thirteen fourteen years mate

875
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: and never get to achieve that.

876
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: Yes, I had great memories there and you know, I

877
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: don't hold any grudges of what they've done because it's

878
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: a business at the end of the day, and I

879
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: need to be playing foot in you know, I still

880
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 4: talk to a lot of the players there, and yeah,

881
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: it was.

882
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: It was good times first impressions of the Gold Coast

883
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: when you went out there. Because I suppose people that

884
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: you know are familiar with the Rabbia League competition. Since

885
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: the Titans have come in, they haven't had a great

886
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: deal of success historically, and the knocks kind of always been,

887
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: you know, sporting teams don't work up in the Gold

888
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Coast for whatever reason. People always say that, you know,

889
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: the Suns and the Gold Coast crushes back in the day,

890
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: but Going.

891
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: Crushes, Gold Course charges, gold Curst chargers, Southeast crushes.

892
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, got mixed.

893
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: When you're signed, by the way, with the Press Congress,

894
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: you didn't do a Brent Todd did you can?

895
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: You can you believe?

896
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: I look it up on YouTube.

897
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, people to have a look on YouTube back in

898
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: the day, but you'd be I'd be going straight away,

899
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: but they.

900
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Would, honestly, I reckon if someone did that today, the integrity.

901
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: It would just be.

902
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

903
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Sam kept those thoughts inside there, and he's got a

904
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: partner of course. But going from the Roosters, a great

905
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: historical club to the new club of the Gold Coast,

906
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: what was the first impressions.

907
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: What was that?

908
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: It was It was a big transition. Transition, but you know,

909
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 4: the Gold is a it's a great club. I love

910
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: being up there obviously, you guys know the Rizels and yeah,

911
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: we we're pretty young squad at the moment. Obviously Tino's

912
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: captain and you know we've got Fozz there leading the way.

913
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 4: But you know, we just gotta keep working really hard.

914
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: Obviously that the big sign was getting Dez in. Obviously

915
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: he's a premiership winning coach and you know things will

916
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: turn around. We just got to stay stay, you know,

917
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: working hard and pre season starts soon and as has

918
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 4: already told us, it's going to be a tough one.

919
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: So I'm park with it to a record in November

920
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: December and Jane it's you know, thirty five degrees with

921
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: you know, it's tough, so looking forward to it.

922
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about this semi. You know, if

923
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: you want success, that's the price you got to pay.

924
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: And you find that individually and collectively when you go

925
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: into a pre season or every morning when you get

926
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: up to train, if you're nervous, that's a great sign.

927
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: Like that nervousness is you know number one that says,

928
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: your care but number two and when you're on the

929
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: right track. You know, whenever I know myself during my career,

930
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: my best seasons, when I was getting up in the morning,

931
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: you go to train, I was nervous, you know, you're

932
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: doing your extras. And the years that I really struggled,

933
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: which were most years, was when you would actually start

934
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: to think I've got this game by the balls, and

935
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: straight away you go for Cliff. So that's a good sign.

936
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it with Das right this year,

937
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: he's got off to a really slow start, and I

938
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: think getting you know, it looked like you were coming

939
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: to Gritch the way the Deads wanted just to play.

940
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I've got no doubt coming up this year he's going

941
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to have a monster season.

942
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're really really confident with the year we're going

943
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: to have next year. And obviously Reagan Camical, Guyard's a

944
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: massive signing. It almost feels like we're Tino back as well.

945
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: It's a whole new squad there, and you know I

946
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: was leading the way there and we're really looking forward

947
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: to it. And I think it was, yeah, like you said,

948
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: a year of transitioning with des and know he's very

949
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: as if you know Das Hasley, he's a great man,

950
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 4: but he's very, very passionate, and I don't know how

951
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: he's still got that all his hair, to be honest

952
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: with all that, I think.

953
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: It's a week if he went to the same place

954
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: as Matt Lodge went this year.

955
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: But I mean, I remember Sammy Bennett my first grade too.

956
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: I was sitting on the bench right and all of

957
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: a sudden I played twenty ones that day, then played

958
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: some reserve grade and they said to me, I was

959
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: actually on the hill and they went, I was over

960
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: there about to have a beer, and they went, Matthew

961
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: John's report to the nice dressing room for what I've done.

962
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Now turn up there and you're going to be on

963
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: the bench. Anyway, I got on the second half of

964
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: my debut and I remember just being similar to you.

965
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: You're attacking everything in the moves. It's but I remember

966
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: watching des and just going, mate, how's this bloke still going?

967
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: He was rock hard fit mate.

968
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: To this day, like there was. There's times where he's

969
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: tackling the boys and he's still rock hard to his days.

970
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: He's in his I'm not how old. I don't know

971
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: how old he is, but yeah, he's still pushing people

972
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: around and tackling and yeah, he's still rock fit to.

973
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: He was revolutionary in the way he trained. He mainly

974
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: did body body weight exercises, dips, chins, all that sort

975
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: of stuff. And he actually had a video out called

976
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: it was called something like the Golden Gift, and it

977
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: was like it was his training how to do like

978
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: court training way way back in the day. I'm talking

979
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking mid nineties, so that was a million miles

980
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: away from from now where the training was at that point.

981
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Is that interesting again?

982
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Probably not.

983
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: Again, another beautiful story from you, But in all seriousness,

984
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: I know you guys started the year pretty you know,

985
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: hot and cold at the start, but he's really starting.

986
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: To find that's the first seven.

987
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there was some good moments. Yeah, but

988
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: I think what the Titans fans took it. You just

989
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: did finish very strong once you guys got the balance

990
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: of that good especially without Tino, like Keeney, has just

991
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: been a revelation at the back for you guys because

992
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: they've they've always kind of shuffled with that halves and fullback.

993
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: They've they've had a j Jaden Campbell and now they've

994
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: got Kinny like, they've got a lot of fullbacks there

995
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: that they've struggled to find the balance, but I think

996
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: Desa started to find it.

997
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, kan was massive for us this year.

998
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 4: You got Player of the Year and you know aj

999
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: was started at center and he got injured. He played

1000
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: a bit of full back. Then j C was full

1001
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: back and he got injured, which gave Kanu his opportunity

1002
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: and he took with both hands and he played really

1003
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: well that year. And you know, there was a little

1004
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 4: patch where we think we won like seven out of

1005
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: ten games and we're just hitting on just the eight

1006
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: and I remember we versed the Broncos and we beat them,

1007
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: and you know, there was talks about us having a

1008
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 4: little late push to the finals, and unfortunately it wasn't

1009
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: meant to be. But you know, it's going to be

1010
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 4: pretty exciting to see where we go next year. I

1011
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: know preseason is going to be a big battle for

1012
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: the fullbacks and they all know it and they're very

1013
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: looking forward to it, and I'm looking forward to the year.

1014
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you a comment on this, but I'll

1015
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: direct this at you, cub. I would love to see

1016
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: a j play thirteen, just even have a crack at thirteen.

1017
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, they tried him at center

1018
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: and it took him away from where his best football is.

1019
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: His best football is right through the center of the field,

1020
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: pinballing around. I think, you know, look, he's actually almost

1021
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: the perfect fourteen.

1022
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: He's like Connor Watson in a sense of that. You

1023
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: see how good Commor has been as as.

1024
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: Thick set and I just see going through the middle

1025
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: like he's clever with the football, but a great runner

1026
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: with his speed and full birth. I'd love to see

1027
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: him play. Have a crack at thirteen. I think he

1028
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: did really well.

1029
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: He's a very smart footy player.

1030
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Listening he's not on Dez? Then yeah, do you have

1031
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: a first interaction story with Dez? Because, like you said before,

1032
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Des is quite quirky, like he's done some there's some

1033
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: funny stories at Manly where he'd get boys into the

1034
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: office who we thought were being a bit soft in

1035
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: defense and he would actually tackle them to show them

1036
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: how to tackle. Is there ready your first little interaction

1037
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: with him?

1038
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: Anything? I know that I can remember that stick like

1039
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: has stuck out, but I don't remember. He just he

1040
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: just plays with his hair so much, and in videos

1041
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: like sometimes he just goes on and on on about

1042
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: things and he just he gets his attention by just

1043
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: snapping out and just starts like trying to get everyone

1044
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: back in because I reckon about me. Then we'll go

1045
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: for about an hour days and you know with footy players,

1046
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: you know, with front rollers, they kind of get a

1047
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: little bit distracted, and he would just just say some

1048
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: random things to see if we're listening. And but yeah,

1049
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: Des has got his quirks, but he's one hell of

1050
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: a coach.

1051
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: To remember, Cooper, we're up when he was coaching the

1052
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: Bulldogs and the Bulldogs were playing the nights this particular,

1053
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I think it was a Saturday night game and we're

1054
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: up in Newcastle now through the week on trip Lamb,

1055
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: I was I was a little critical of the Bulldogs

1056
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: and the way they were playing. So I think it was

1057
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: myself and you Cooper in the car, it was you Jack.

1058
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: It was Jack favorite son, so I sip of a

1059
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: favorite son in the car. We're just talking about good times. Anyway,

1060
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: we're driving along, next minute phone call. Look up It'stairs

1061
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: and I look at Jack and I go, I think

1062
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: here we go Daisy.

1063
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: How are you, mate, Madie?

1064
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: How are you going good? Let's see Yeah, yeah, good mate, good.

1065
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: But what's doing, Deze? I was driving out the other day,

1066
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: But I've been doing an interesting, interesting little experiment with you.

1067
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: Basically said, I have a piece of paper and a

1068
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: pen next to me in the car when I drive

1069
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: out to drive out to Billmore and I'm listening to

1070
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: your show, and I just I have two columns on

1071
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: the piece of paper and one male, one female, and

1072
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: every caller you get a triple AM. I'll do a

1073
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: mark say, and made my calculations that I've done over

1074
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: the last month, I would say that probably eighty five

1075
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: percent of your call is a male, and that'd be right, Dez.

1076
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, mate, what's what's doing?

1077
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: What's that? No, mate? I just I just wanted to

1078
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: share that with you.

1079
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you had access to that information already.

1080
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's triple am, it's the station. I took it

1081
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: straight to the bosses.

1082
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: Eighty five percent. Uh.

1083
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1084
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: I had a funny story about Dez. I remember my

1085
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: first year at Melbourne. Now, for those people that don't know,

1086
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: days used to live probably six doors up from us

1087
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: at our family home for like a decade when we

1088
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: were growing up. So we've seen Daz a lot. Had

1089
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: a lot to do with das growing up. Now. My

1090
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: first year at Melbourne it's twenty eighteen, mainly come down

1091
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: to play against Melbourne. I think it might have been

1092
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: Harry Green's debut or something like, I can't remember. Anyway,

1093
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: Dess sitting there sort of in the dugout looking over

1094
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: the field, and I went, I'll go and say good to day.

1095
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him in a couple of years. I Daz.

1096
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: He goes, hey, hey, are you going mate that way?

1097
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, good, I'm good. And I started talking

1098
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: to him. As I'm talking to him, He's talking to

1099
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: me like a sort of like a spectator like I

1100
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: was a fan. And I started realizing he has no

1101
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: idea who I am. And I went and I went

1102
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: ods Maddie's son. You know, I grew up down the

1103
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: road from me. And he goes, oh, yeah, good on

1104
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: your mate, good on you. And he goes, yeah, so

1105
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: what do you do down here? Meanwhile I'm sitting there

1106
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: in a warm up outfit because I'm eighteenth man, which

1107
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: he had clearly no idea about, and I'm going, oh, mate,

1108
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a player. I'm a player, like I've got

1109
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: my boots on, I'm a player, and he goes, oh,

1110
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: no shit, he goes they go yeah, and he goes,

1111
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: good on, your buddy, shook my hair like makee ruffled

1112
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: his hands through my hair like I was like a

1113
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: preschool kid.

1114
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: And then just walked off.

1115
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: He turned and said, I didn't know that Harold Matthews

1116
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: playing him the pre game. Well you know about that,

1117
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: Like he was living down the road and it was

1118
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: a lot happened with Daz. It was when Das mainly

1119
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: just won the twenty eleven Grand Final and then he

1120
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: had a fall out with the board and he signed

1121
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: with the Bulldogs. So anyway, the media were sort of

1122
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: parked outside his house quite a bit, and anyway, one

1123
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: day I got there, I rang him up and he says,

1124
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: I said, Daisy, I'm just letting you know, mate, this

1125
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: Channel seven crew just out the front. There's a bloke

1126
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: you know with it, and just yeah, he goes, oh mate,

1127
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: yeah you appreciate that. Anyway, three weeks later, I'm walking

1128
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: past anyway, his wife Chris having a garage sale, and

1129
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: I go, oh, here you Hey, Chris here you going?

1130
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: There?

1131
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: Is DESI young?

1132
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, he's good, you know, And I just say, yeah,

1133
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: he's selling some of the stuff. I will pass Five

1134
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: days later and the place is boarded up. So I

1135
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: said to his neighbor, who's a good mate of his,

1136
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I said, mate, what's going on? I guess I don't know.

1137
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: He goes, Maddie, he sold up and he's left, and

1138
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: I went what he Yeah, he sold up. I said,

1139
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: did you know about it? And he goes, no, I didn't.

1140
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: I had no clue. He just he just evaporated.

1141
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Gone.

1142
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: He's a funny man.

1143
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Is that interesting again?

1144
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: That one actually is? We went nowhere, but it was

1145
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: a same We appreciate your time today, appreciate you talking

1146
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: about you know, some personal things to you talking about

1147
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: all your roosters, your premiership. You've got a great story.

1148
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: Good luck for next year with the Titans. We're all

1149
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: rooting for you up there. Dad's a big Patricia's team,

1150
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: he is the Titan. She does go for the Titans.

1151
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: She's a big yaid tell me he's going to make

1152
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: the Grand Final? What's the cornella? Who's going to make

1153
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: the Grand Flush? She guess it's going to be Nights

1154
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: Versus Titan.

1155
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 4: Was. But this year, this year, very confident next year.

1156
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: On the back of what Cooper said. Do you know what, mate.

1157
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: The thing about it is oftentimes people say, you know

1158
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 1: a good young bloke. You are one of the best. Mate,

1159
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: You are one of the best. You're always so polite

1160
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: to people, you're always respectful and mate, you've got a

1161
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: lot of great years ahead of you, so all the

1162
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: best of you.

1163
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: Thanks boys, Thanks Sammy. Let's go over yeah

1164
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: M