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Speaker 1: Welcome to the heart of it. We are recording on

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Speaker 1: gaddigle Land High. Sweetheart, Hello you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: I am very ready.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited. These gentlemen are in the room

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Speaker 1: with us, which is fantastic. Jens Rada also known as

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Speaker 1: Skank Sinatra and their partner Lockey, also.

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Speaker 3: Known as I love this name. I have Rose Bud I.

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Speaker 1: A rose, but a trady by day, a drag queen

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Speaker 1: by night, whose love story began during one of Melbourne's

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Speaker 1: many lockdowns.

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Speaker 2: Indeed so.

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Speaker 4: Originally connecting over Zoom with the intention of collaborating artistically,

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Speaker 4: the two quickly discovered a deeper spark. Both trained in

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Speaker 4: musical theater, live singing drag artists and a love for

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Speaker 4: jazz and cabaret, YenS and Locke found themselves falling into

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Speaker 4: something that was equal parts creative partnership and unexpected romance.

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Speaker 1: Since then, their love has taken them around the world.

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Speaker 1: They've co created and performed multiple shows together, including Madam

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Speaker 1: Martha's Parisian Cabaret, winner of the Best Cabaret in Melbourne's

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Speaker 1: Fringe in twenty twenty four. That is Huge, yep, that

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Speaker 1: is huge, and The Cabaret Hour winner of Best Variety

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Speaker 1: Show at the Adelaide Fringe. Yo, huge, welcome, Yen and Lockie.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Hi guys, Hello, it's good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you still in the glow of all these

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Speaker 2: winning awards.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, it's been a whirlwind and I feel like we

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Speaker 5: haven't even stopped. It's just been go, go go. But

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Speaker 5: you know that that hustle never stops until it does.

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Speaker 5: And we're trying to plan the holiday, which has been

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Speaker 5: in the making for I don't know a year, but

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Speaker 5: we never find a way to squeeze it in.

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Speaker 1: Was that would that be an overseas holiday or a

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Speaker 1: local one?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're going to Edinburgh Fringe. So we're trying to

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Speaker 5: make sure that we have at least a week where

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Speaker 5: we have no gigs planned. There's one trying to creep in,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the UK. We want to drive up

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Speaker 5: from London to Edinburgh over a week, but then you know,

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Speaker 5: something has popped up. We're like, no, no, no, let's just

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Speaker 5: enjoy the hills of you know, the UK and.

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Speaker 2: Just it is gorgeous. That's we just went, well, we

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Speaker 2: just went to Scotland. We talked about our Scottish trip.

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Speaker 1: Because like it was yesterday is the.

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Speaker 2: Best Edinard is so fat.

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Speaker 4: We we took a train from London to Edinburgh and

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Speaker 4: then we kind of did a did a circuit, went

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Speaker 4: up to Isle of Sky, we went to Lockness where

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Speaker 4: else did it.

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Speaker 1: And then we went up off the top to Inverness

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Speaker 1: and down around around the coast around St Andrews.

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Speaker 4: But you must make time to travel around.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I need a photo with the lock

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Speaker 6: news good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: The locks are there, the Loch Loman, Locknes, Isle of Sky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get to Island of Sky.

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Speaker 4: There's a river there called River d and our son's

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Speaker 4: name is river and we often call him river De

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Speaker 4: because he's River Dado.

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Speaker 2: And it was that was you know, it's the small thing.

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Speaker 1: Nice Ali also she was the one that curated the journey.

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Speaker 1: So we started off in sort of nice airbnbs and

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Speaker 1: then we ended up in the penultimate night of the

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Speaker 1: actual road trip, we're in a gatehouse. It was sixteenth

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Speaker 1: century gatehouse over a river. Staying in there that just

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Speaker 1: felt really freaking.

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Speaker 5: Spooky winter.

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Speaker 1: Bluestone gatehouse that was built over this river. And then

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Speaker 1: the last night we were in a eighteenth century castle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was getting renovated.

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Speaker 1: Guy was renovated on his own.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, does Ali do all the planning pretty

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Speaker 6: much for those?

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Speaker 1: Because she's so good at it.

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Speaker 4: And I do love it. I do love the research

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Speaker 4: as long as I've got time to do it.

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Speaker 2: I really love.

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Speaker 5: This was one in the Yeah is that?

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Speaker 1: How is that in yours?

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Speaker 5: Exactly? I'm the alley. I do the planning and everything, and.

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Speaker 6: And I'm the one hounding, like have you booked the flights?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the books I turn up?

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Speaker 5: I want to go somewhere like this, like this, like this,

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Speaker 5: and then I'll make an untinerary and send it through

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Speaker 5: for approval.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Well, take us back to that zoom call, you know,

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Speaker 4: was it all sort of business at first or was

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Speaker 4: there immediate like this guy?

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Speaker 5: Well got a correct that actually there was no zoom call.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was an Instagram message and that led to what

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Speaker 5: are you doing tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Hading on Who's who?

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Speaker 3: Slipped into Who's my best friend?

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Speaker 6: They met Yen's at an audition and said, you have

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Speaker 6: to meet this this guy. He's music did a background

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Speaker 6: now doing drag, and I think you would work well together.

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Speaker 6: And I had had a couple of lines with my

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Speaker 6: housemates and was feeling confident, so I messaged Yen's from

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Speaker 6: my drag account like, hey.

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Speaker 3: Queens, sleag girl, work, did a work work? I think

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Speaker 3: we would work well together. What are you doing?

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Speaker 6: And the Ends replied straight away.

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Speaker 5: I had nothing else sitting on the couch for six weeks,

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Speaker 5: so it.

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Speaker 6: Was lockdown, lockdown, but I was because I work as

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Speaker 6: a landscaper. I still had permission to leave and like

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Speaker 6: a ten work because that wasn't that wasn't essential service.

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Speaker 5: Apparently those Brighton houses needed their head, they needed did

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Speaker 5: many wealthy family homes.

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Speaker 2: Am I just am?

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Speaker 4: I just finally connecting the fact that you're a landscaper

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Speaker 4: and your name is Ivor rosebud to Hello.

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Speaker 6: Ding Ding Dan, you hit the buffalo, got it.

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Speaker 5: Cool?

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Speaker 2: So the DM slid and then did you then did

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Speaker 2: you get on a zoom call with no?

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Speaker 6: There was no z So I messaged Ends and I said,

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Speaker 6: we'd love to work. Apparently we would work well together,

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Speaker 6: and he replied straight away and he was like, well

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Speaker 6: when do you want to possibly meet up? And I said,

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Speaker 6: well how about tomorrow we can meet for a wine

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Speaker 6: and a walk.

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Speaker 5: At ten am.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it was lab.

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Speaker 6: I was am somewhere because you know, everyone in Melbourne

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Speaker 6: had given up by that point, and we were all

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Speaker 6: having bubbles and out keeap cups and the real chest

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Speaker 6: was I said, you get the food and I'll get

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Speaker 6: the wine, because I'm a bit of a foodie. I'll

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Speaker 6: get I got like a nice drop and he bought

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Speaker 6: the pastries and he did. He bought Coal's pastries, which that.

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Speaker 5: Was I'm sorry, Coals makes beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful questionable.

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Speaker 6: Well he did buy a La Guet and I was like, well,

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Speaker 6: at least he bought a sourdough.

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Speaker 2: Bi get not last.

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Speaker 6: And we met in Footscray Botanical Gardens because and you

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Speaker 6: left your five kilometer radius.

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Speaker 5: It was on the cusp. I was on the cusp

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Speaker 5: and by this point everyone was like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 5: it was like five point. I felt very very no

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Speaker 5: because I hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Did that raise the anticipation in the.

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Speaker 5: Created some fire breaking some law exactly. Now that things

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Speaker 5: are normal, I'm like, wait, do I even feel anything?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 6: It's a test test, yeah, and we kind of, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we hit it off. We were listening to jazz music

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Speaker 6: and we realized we had a lot of in common.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 6: Somehow business turned to pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and how what was that? How long was

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Speaker 1: that time frame where where the business did turn into pleasure? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so who caught the fields first?

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Speaker 6: Well, we said it was miss kicking in.

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Speaker 5: But we spent a few hours talking about cabaret and

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Speaker 5: music and really like bonding over how much in common

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Speaker 5: we had in taste in art in particular. And then

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Speaker 5: one of them was Elaine Stretch is at Liberty. It's

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Speaker 5: a cabaret show that she's done, and it's filmed and

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Speaker 5: recorded and look, he's listened and watched it a million

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Speaker 5: times and I had heard snippets from it. He's like,

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Speaker 5: we should go watch it. Oh my god, it's fabulous,

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Speaker 5: it's camp. We need to go watch it. Why don't

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Speaker 5: we go watch it.

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Speaker 6: To get ideas for our collaboration.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I was like, I can't go to

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Speaker 5: your house, like that's against the rules. I did.

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Speaker 6: I did that, but we were in the back garden

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Speaker 6: in the house. We were still outside. And then yeah,

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Speaker 6: I went into the kitchen to get a cup of

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Speaker 6: tea and then I came back and lean over and

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Speaker 6: did a spider Man kiss.

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Speaker 1: Spider Man. I like Spider Man kiss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't really quite work.

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Speaker 6: They must have rehearsed quite a lot of the movie I've.

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Speaker 5: Just Met You and You Kiss Me without even like,

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Speaker 5: you know, sussing if that was the vibe. Luckily for

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Speaker 5: him it was the vibe still, you know.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was very Ford and we've been inseparable

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Speaker 2: And the first show you created was which one.

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Speaker 5: I actually think we started like just co hosting some

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Speaker 5: things first, Like there's this venue in Melbourne called the

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Speaker 5: Speakeasy Theater. It's a vaudeville kind of variety. Yeah, where

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Speaker 5: is that in the city on FLDS Street. It's like

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Speaker 5: it is like a speakers you can't tell from the

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Speaker 5: art side. It's very normal.

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Speaker 6: It feels very like old school board Villion. Yeah, like

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Speaker 6: very catch It's yeah of a kebab shop, you know,

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Speaker 6: sick snack afterwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get kebab your shirt.

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Speaker 5: I had to do my makeup and there the other

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Speaker 5: day because the person opening the theater is running late.

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Speaker 5: I had to get into my drag makeup, which gives

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Speaker 5: to be forty five and I have to start my

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Speaker 5: makeup and I've been dropped off with my uber. I've

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Speaker 5: got my makeup, So I went into the Kebb shop

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Speaker 5: and said, can I do makeup here? I'm sorry? She

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Speaker 5: said okay. So for forty five minutes I was sitting

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Speaker 5: there doing you know, everything and made a good friend

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Speaker 5: with the lady.

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Speaker 1: Does it really take that long?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: Does it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Two hours?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Comfortably. We can sprint through it in an hour and

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Speaker 5: twenty yeah. Yeah, well you've got a mode to cover up.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't cover it up. It's part of part of,

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Speaker 6: part of the esthetic, part of.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, remember that.

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Speaker 4: Can you just both of you, can you just take

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Speaker 4: us back to when you were younger?

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Speaker 2: Younger?

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Speaker 4: Like, where did the love of drag come from? Why

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Speaker 4: did you decide to do it? And I mean both

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Speaker 4: of you are very well trained. Actually, was that something

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Speaker 4: that from little little ones that you knew you wanted

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Speaker 4: to be in the theater someway or another?

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Speaker 5: Yours is also you know, it's unique and it's a

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Speaker 6: Which started in a club scene like very like.

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Speaker 6: Like a dressing gown and nothing else.

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Speaker 6: Which you know, the whole point of it to reveal

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Speaker 5: Well, when I was a little child in South Africa,

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Speaker 5: We're so lucky, very lucky.

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Speaker 1: You're brother You've got you mentioned before we came or

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Speaker 6: You've got brothers, three brothers on the second of the four.

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Speaker 6: I think it's so cool, and I mean, especially with

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Speaker 3: Was really cool. Thanks, darling.

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Speaker 4: But I'm sure growing up with four boys you were

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Speaker 2: Most seemed to run around.

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Speaker 6: We grew up in the country as well. It was

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Speaker 4: I mean that that was the most common phrase in

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Speaker 2: It was like, where are your pants? Where are your pants?

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Speaker 3: It was my youngest brother, I wonder when.

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Speaker 3: Number one boy number one.

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Speaker 1: I have an older sister who was the icebreaker for us.

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Speaker 1: So, how do you guys stay connected? You mentioned overseas

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Speaker 5: Zoom well, up until this point, we have been lucky

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Speaker 6: Do you know the house is really clean when you're away.

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Speaker 5: When I was at WAPPA studying music theater. We have

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Speaker 5: And I did a Sinatra cabaret, but I had a

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Speaker 2: I know you're still.

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Speaker 5: Adjusting and fine tuning is a big part of it.

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Speaker 5: the Qtopia's Pride best called Skank Sinatra's Dirty Martini Lineup,

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Speaker 5: which is like a late night lineup, fun show, chaos, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Every audience member gets one on arrival.

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Speaker 1: Oh how good?

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Speaker 3: Really, that's great.

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Speaker 1: No one goes home empty exactly.

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Speaker 5: Tickets to four hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 4: We have We have a diar friend. His name is

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Speaker 4: Tom Burlans, and he was the man from Snowy River.

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Speaker 4: I mean an actor from from a little while ago.

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Speaker 4: He was also what he did, oh Farlap, He was

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Speaker 1: He great movies to revisit or visit in your case,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen them.

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Speaker 1: I bet Tommy, you'll go up for Tommy. You'll go

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Speaker 1: up for Tommy, will go up for Tommy wood Comfi.

446
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Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Well he is.

447
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 4: He is the like if you close your eyes and

448
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,719
Speaker 4: heard tom sing, he sounds exactly Frank Sinatra, Wow, exactly.

449
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 4: In fact, he did the singing.

450
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: On on On Sinatra the mini series. So back in

451
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Speaker 1: the nineties, Tina Sinatra, she she gave the blessing for

452
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Speaker 1: the Sinatra Mini series Philip Caswell Kazanov for something he

453
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: played Sinatra. Tommy should have because he kind of had

454
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: that a little bit of a but anyway, Tom sung

455
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: for Tina and she went, I can't, I can't change.

456
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: I can't hear the difference, You're so Tom sung for that.

457
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: He does shows around.

458
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: The rolls it out with the band on the boats

459
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: and cruisers.

460
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: And the zoos and things.

461
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Speaker 1: They do those special nights.

462
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Speaker 6: For the animals.

463
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Speaker 1: So so you guys, you clearly get along. Well, there

464
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Speaker 1: must be times when there's creative differences or things. How

465
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Speaker 1: do you as we are a relationship party, so how

466
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Speaker 1: do you deal with conflict when it comes up?

467
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Speaker 6: When it Well, in Madam Martha's it's a trio based ensemble.

468
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 6: So unfortunately Meg is the mediator and just to decide

469
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Speaker 6: a lot of the creative decisions.

470
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Speaker 5: The third member of the show, Meg, which one do

471
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Speaker 5: you think is right?

472
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Speaker 1: And she's like, so when Meg's not there later back

473
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Speaker 1: at yeah.

474
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Speaker 5: Home, we call Meg. Meg's on the speedy Honestly.

475
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Speaker 3: Now we call the Nutmeg because great, I'm going to

476
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: call her that.

477
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Speaker 2: I love that.

478
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Speaker 5: Well, it's actually it's a bloody challenge because we do

479
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 5: have creative you know, differences in choices and stuff. But

480
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Speaker 5: we do respect each other's opinion a lot. And I

481
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Speaker 5: think to actively never dismiss or never like shove off

482
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Speaker 5: an opinion that's said by the other person is something

483
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 5: to be very crucial of I'm always trying to pick

484
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 5: up on myself if I seem like no, no, no,

485
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Speaker 5: that's not right, and I'll move forward because we have

486
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: this like shorthand as a couple. When you're creative in

487
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: the room, I think you need to treat the other

488
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Speaker 5: person as if their you know, creativity is something to

489
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Speaker 5: respect the way that you would any other person in

490
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Speaker 5: a professional space. But it's hard. It's hard.

491
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And like forgiveness is important, communication is important, especially creatively,

492
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Speaker 6: always trying each idea and giving value to everyone's respond.

493
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Speaker 5: Exactly, Like sometimes if I if one of us does

494
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Speaker 5: something and I think, oh no, that's so stupid, Like

495
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Speaker 5: all right, let's just try it and then we can

496
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 5: all make a decision afterwards, because you know, if something works,

497
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 5: you know once you've tried it. But to dismiss and

498
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Speaker 5: not try it, I.

499
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Speaker 6: Think sometimes it's hard. In Drag we always laugh at

500
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Speaker 6: this because like with the amount of makeup on your face,

501
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 6: Like somebody will say something and you're like what, But

502
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 6: like they'll be like, my favorite color is green.

503
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: You're like, I can't believe she's said.

504
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 5: That, because it comes across as tense because of the

505
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 5: way the face looks like a severe woman.

506
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

507
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Speaker 6: Literally, yeah, it's always like we were in the car

508
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 6: driving somewhere and just says something I'm.

509
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 5: Like everything feels high stakes when it's sit in a

510
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: drag face.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be. I mean, do you ever find

512
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Speaker 1: yourself in the car in full drag?

513
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: Always? Every day? Every day?

514
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it usually positive?

515
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: Please tell me yesterday you heard the opening of because

516
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 6: You're headlining Qtop your pride fest and where we were

517
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 6: driving a darling host or somewhere, we were both in

518
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 6: drag and someone crossed the bedest in crossing crossing and

519
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 6: was like.

520
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 5: Hey, girls, we get a lot of that, which is fun.

521
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: It's joyous.

522
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 5: It always brings a smile to people.

523
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I think.

524
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't know the way that's the way I see drag.

525
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: Anyway I see it. It's so such a joyous, you

526
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: know experience. It's always so full of joy I mean

527
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: we spoke to Hannah Condo.

528
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I was in Perth at Wapa, we used

529
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 5: to go watch her every week because she was the

530
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Speaker 5: host of the local you know, gay club at the

531
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Speaker 5: Court and Connections. She's obviously moved to Sydney since then,

532
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 5: but back then she was the girl in the drag

533
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: scene in Perth and so she very much also, I

534
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: guess was an inspiration to the young people coming up

535
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: in the drag world.

536
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 7: I saw you just on a on a on a

537
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Speaker 7: acting school question for this, I mean a lot of

538
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 7: our listeners probably have kids that are wanting to go

539
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 7: to acting.

540
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: Schools and performance schools.

541
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Speaker 3: Do you was it basically?

542
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: Was it a positive experience for you? For you both?

543
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 5: Oh, this is a good one we can talk about

544
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 5: because you went to VCA, I went.

545
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: To both of you have both of those schools have

546
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: great reputations.

547
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

548
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 5: I had a great time at WAPPA. The cohort I

549
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: was with was we're still like close as anything. We

550
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 5: talk every single day. The people I met were amazing.

551
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 5: The training was it was music theater training. It can

552
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 5: sometimes be a bit binary in the way like men

553
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 5: have to be masculine, women have to be you know.

554
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: I think it's changing, you know, but sometimes institutions are

555
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 5: slow to catch up with the zeitgeist of the times.

556
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 5: And because Perth is quite far away from you know,

557
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: the Eastern States, it's got a hive mind of its own,

558
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 5: which is great. But at the same time, it was

559
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: a bit of a shockcoming to Melbourne and Sydney, where

560
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 5: you'd feel like you're jumping into a pool where the

561
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 5: industry that was told to you what it was like

562
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 5: is not anything like what it was described.

563
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 6: Where you also went to drama school in nineteen eighty three,

564
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 6: whereas when I went to it was.

565
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Speaker 5: Very twenty sixteen, fourteen to sixty.

566
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Speaker 3: We always have this little rival too.

567
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, you have a Bachelor of Arts and

568
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 6: music theater, but I have a Bachelor of fine Arts.

569
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 5: You wouldn't be able to tell you would.

570
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: That's fine that.

571
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 5: You were in the heart of you know, Australia's cultural

572
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: culdron in Melbourne.

573
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: Pretty different from a little bogan from Maitland. But yeah,

574
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 6: it was an incredible experience, like working so hard as well.

575
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 6: I think we studied like forty to fifty hours a

576
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 6: week and then you know I worked as a waiter

577
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 6: for thirty hours a week just to stay on top.

578
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 6: But the experiences were incredible, shaping my identity and also

579
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 6: the people that I met. I think it's if someone

580
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 6: was thinking about putting a child, or if a child

581
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 6: is thinking about pursuing a career, and or at that avenue,

582
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 6: I sleep back that up.

583
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: I have a slightly slightly different opinion on that. Actually,

584
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: if you've got something else that you like nearly as

585
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 5: much and it makes good money. What you know, it's

586
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 5: bloody hard to make money in the arts, and we

587
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 5: are constantly eighty percent of our arguments are about money

588
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 5: because it's not flowing regularly. We can't plan. We try

589
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: to read the Barefoot Investor or the.

590
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 6: You know, Oh my gosh, it all exactly our first

591
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 6: Christmas together. Yeah, we hadn't been together six months, and

592
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 6: I bought EN's tickets to Mulan Rouge the musical, and

593
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 6: he bought me the Barefoot Investor.

594
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: I was like, this is not a sign.

595
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: It could be the Barefoot Landscape.

596
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's I mean, what time is that?

597
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 5: But you know, it's like we have no stability in

598
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 5: the financial way. So I'm like, if there's something, you

599
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 5: can continue doing your arts as a joyful hobby, or

600
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: you can even do it professionally, but typically it's after hours.

601
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: A lot of musicals, even like independent musicals, rehearse after

602
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: hours on weekends. You can have a daytime job. I

603
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 5: know a lot of people who studied the performing arts

604
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: with acting, music there or whatever and then spent years

605
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 5: just doing that full time while doing a cafe job

606
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: or you know, something else on the side, and now

607
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: have you turned it slightly to be more like I've

608
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: found something else that I really like that brings in money,

609
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 5: whether it's you know, pilates instructor a teacher, and they

610
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: really enjoy that there's some financial stability, and then they

611
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 5: still do a lot of shows, a lot more shows

612
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: than some people we know who are just one hundred

613
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: percent in the arts with their cafe job or whatever.

614
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: On the side, I agree with you that is because

615
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 4: being married to a creative and it's like that feast

616
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: or famine where.

617
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: It's like it's great when it's all.

618
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 4: Happening, but like that famine of like we don't know,

619
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 4: we can't plan, we don't know if we're doing this,

620
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: we can't say if we can do that, We don't

621
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: we don't know, And it's just oh yeah, I always say, like,

622
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: make sure you have other things that you real your

623
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: face you.

624
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Really want to do my cheeks are getting sucked through landscaping.

625
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm lucky that it's at the place where

626
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 6: I can do that between creative contracts. Such a contrast

627
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 6: the two worlds. Yes, so it's a nice escape, but

628
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 6: it's also some stability to help things go along, you know.

629
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not guaranteed jobs either, in a sense that's like, yeah,

630
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: so it's still kind of waiting for the landscape.

631
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 6: Because I'm like, oh and also if we'll waste so

632
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: much like per six weeks. I'm lucky that I have

633
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 6: clients who are very understanding or possibly like the fact

634
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 6: that their gardener is.

635
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: Rosebud sometimes singing got and demand. In Melbourne, everyone you

636
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: know wants because he's very efficient but very good. Everyone says,

637
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 5: oh my god, you're the best guy and I've ever had.

638
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Who's paying it?

639
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. The garden's always in demands. I guess it's unlucky.

640
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in the winter it would slow down, wouldn't it.

641
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: You've got all your coning okay, yeah, the winter pruning.

642
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

643
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Do you get to create gardens too? Do you have

644
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: to go down to Bunnings and pick up all the

645
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: wood and create.

646
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: All the wood?

647
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 6: Garden renovation in Prince's Hill where I literally moved like

648
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 6: thirty cubic meters of soil by hand because it's like

649
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 6: an old terrace home and repaved everything that that was

650
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: an exciting job.

651
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: Something that is also great is that no matter where

652
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: we go you can find gardening work. You've got gardening

653
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 5: clients in Queensland and we've you know, typically done some shows.

654
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 6: We went to clown school in Paris, I was working.

655
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you did lots of gardening work on the weekends.

656
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: For Philip Gollier, the clown master himself, really he's like,

657
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: you can do a little be doing.

658
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 6: Here to have us in for lunch and you know,

659
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 6: we'd drink wine and he'd always like take a sip

660
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 6: of his glass and then phill it back up champagne glass.

661
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: But isn't it nice in situations like that where you

662
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: can actually have a conversation with someone of that ilk

663
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily about the arts. It is about rosebuds.

664
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: It is about creating something else. It just adds a

665
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: different dimension to relationships with people.

666
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: It does, it really does.

667
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: What would you say has been your most magical moment

668
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: on stage together?

669
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: Is there one moment that you.

670
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: Go, oh, it was this or for me, I've been

671
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 5: discovering it doing our Madam Martha's show here in Sydney.

672
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: When we sing at the end of the show, it's

673
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 5: a bit cringe, but we sing a three part harmony

674
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: version of Pink Pony Club, but it's got to wink

675
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: it itself and it's you know, kind of ironic, but

676
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: also then it reaches apart, it's really beautiful. And the

677
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 5: lyric is I'll make my mom a proud And we

678
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 5: always like look at each other and I'm like, this

679
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: is so nice because we know how proud I'MU are

680
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: of us that we just live so, you know, unapologetically

681
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: in our truth. We're in flow. We love what we do,

682
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: we show up for our family and our loved ones.

683
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 5: We have an amazing community. And then when I sing that,

684
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is very special. So that's probably my moment.

685
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

686
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 6: I think we're lucky that we get to watch each

687
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 6: other on stage and see each other in each other's element,

688
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 6: and no matter where the show goes where if it's

689
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 6: like in a beautiful tent in Adelaide fringe, or when

690
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: we did a town hall in a rural countrytown which

691
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 6: had one lighting state the whole time we couldn't see anything.

692
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 6: I literally fell off the stage. It was hilarious because

693
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 6: it was the floodlight. Those times, just doing the thing together,

694
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: making beautiful memories and meeting extraordinary people is a special

695
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 6: in itself, so I can't put it down to one.

696
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 6: The journey together, yeah, yeah, must be great.

697
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: Have faced challenges as a couple that, you know, people

698
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect that. Yeah.

699
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 6: Well, the biggest challenge is when I I'm stealing your

700
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 6: makeup and wigs.

701
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: We piss each other off a lot about like, I

702
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 5: really don't like my wigs to be handled in a

703
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: manhandling kind of way. I'm very delicate about my costumes,

704
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: my makeup, my wigs because they're expensive, like wigs, you know,

705
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: easily three hundred and fifty four hundred dollars for a

706
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: styled wig. And then Lockie comes four boys hair gardener

707
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: heavy handed, throws things around my costumes. He's like, can

708
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: I borrow this costume? If you take care of it?

709
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 5: Comes back? You know, there's stains all over it. It's

710
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: been thrown through the mud, it's been through the rain,

711
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: and I'm like, it's.

712
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 3: Doing the lawn in it.

713
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: That's rough.

714
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about it if you.

715
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: So, what does the shopping day look like? If did

716
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: you actually go out on dedicated like I've got to

717
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: get this and I've.

718
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: Got to get that.

719
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you head into Mecca together.

720
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 5: And actually just like I'm doing an order from Crayole

721
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 5: and do you need anything? Yeah, and one of us

722
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: is usually like, if one of us needs something, we'll

723
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 5: usually just check with the other one. Do you need

724
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: some makeup as well? Because it's also always cheaper if

725
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 5: you order more or sometimes you get discounts and stuff.

726
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 6: What else would be our challenges that we're faced? I mean, financially,

727
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 6: there's been times, but I guess we're lucky that we

728
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 6: have family that we can who love the arts and

729
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 6: support the arts, that where we can call like you're

730
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 6: good with money? What else has been challenging?

731
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 4: Do you give each other like feedback on the performance

732
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: or is that just like way too dangerous?

733
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: Definitely, he's very forthcoming with his notes. Okay, he will

734
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 5: be very happy to give his thoughts on performances straight

735
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: away after, and I'll have to be like give and yeah,

736
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 5: I'm still sweating from coming off stage. It's like, I

737
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 5: don't I think you should cut that song shorter, Like

738
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: it feels like it's drags on and when you walk

739
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: it kind of feels like you're taking a gag out

740
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 5: of the song, and it's be better if you just like,

741
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 5: did it beautifully? I'm like, so yeah, working on.

742
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: That, working on that is you know, performance takes different

743
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: different aspects. Obviously you're out there, but then if you're

744
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: directing or producing, is that is that something well, obviously

745
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: you direct your own things as well. Is that would

746
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: you see yourself leaning more into that and stepping away

747
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: from it or is the performance very much still part

748
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: of it?

749
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I always think that I would love to

750
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: do more things from the creative engine of shows, like

751
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 5: I love producing, I love producing, I love producing. I've

752
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: really loved like directorial aspects of Madam Matha's. It's been

753
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: a equal, three part creative process. Like we're very sensitive

754
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 5: to each other to make sure that no one is

755
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: senior in any other way. Everyone is one hundred percent equal,

756
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 5: and I very much respect both of you and us

757
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: as a trio for maintaining that sensitivity to each other.

758
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: No one is draconian in their decision making. No one

759
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: feels like their final call is mine and I'm gonna

760
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: end with that, Let's move on. It's kind of always

761
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: like is everyone happy with that? Great? So I don't know.

762
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: I've been enjoying producing, directing music, directing is something I

763
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: love doing as well. I play the piano and I

764
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 5: have music directed a few cabarets and shows in the past,

765
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 5: which is yeah, I like that about you.

766
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 6: I guess like being in the nature of independent theater

767
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 6: and the fringe environment. You wear many hats, so I

768
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 6: guess we all have that kind of interest. Obviously, Jens

769
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: is great because he takes more of an interest in

770
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 6: the producing and is really good at the admin side

771
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 6: of things. And then like, I don't know, yeah, what

772
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: about when.

773
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: Was I it was in wa It was in Perth

774
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: and they had the Perth Fringe Festival going on and

775
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: walked around inside that in that precinct where in the gardens.

776
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and a lot of the performers were out

777
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: there marketing their own shows. Are you Are you in

778
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: that too? In that world having to do that as well?

779
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: Definitely humbling it is to be rejected person.

780
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 6: What's so amazing about Edinburgh fringe too, no matter how

781
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: big the performer is, Like famous actors or comedians are

782
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 6: on the street like everyone does, having their own shows,

783
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 6: because I mean that's the only way. There's such a

784
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 6: big market over there, and there's just so many people

785
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 6: the only way to do that is through personable.

786
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: And edition Edinburgh Fringe is you have to flyer. It's

787
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 5: just an understood thing no matter how big your show

788
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: is the increase in tickets that you will get from

789
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: just having visibility on the street and people like it

790
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 5: when it comes from the performer or the person involve

791
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 5: the show. People hire flyers as well. But that also

792
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 5: shows to the artists who are smaller up and coming

793
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 5: that you know what flowering something that you do and

794
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: you can be proud of yourself flying and not just

795
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: feel like a.

796
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 6: Completely easy too like no, especially when you're about to

797
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 6: perform and you're like, I'm literally on in ten minutes,

798
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 6: but I need to sell twenty more tickets.

799
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go.

800
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: Because it's that hour before your show, you can catch

801
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 5: some people who are looking for something to see and yeah,

802
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 5: you kind of be like, fabulous drag cabaret show, Jazzy

803
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: please come.

804
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: Remember we were in Darwin and we were up there

805
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: and that Spegeltent show that we saw, Yeah, and it

806
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: was fantastic and they were out the performers were out

807
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: there papering as you say, you know, literally ten minutes

808
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: before we've got seats, We've got seats available, come on

809
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: in and it was one of the funnest, funnest nights.

810
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it's the rise of the fringe festival,

811
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 5: or even just like festivals in general, Like you see

812
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: how many have popped up. Every city nearly has a

813
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 5: version of fringe festival. Yeah, ten years ago. I don't

814
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 5: know the stats on this, but we're a lot less

815
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, it's less common to just

816
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: have a city specific show. Shows tour now more because

817
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: you can access more audiences and circus and variety has

818
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: become a lot more popular and kind of big scale

819
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: and budget.

820
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 6: And Australia has two of the top three in the world.

821
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 6: So Edinburgh is the biggest than Adelaide, than Perth.

822
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, for interest of all sizes.

823
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: Alie wrote this question, can I ask it?

824
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: You may?

825
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's the weirdest thing you've ever hot glued

826
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: for a costume?

827
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: I love how drag specific that is, but you know,

828
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 5: I have never used a hot glue gun. I know,

829
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: and I hope that no drag queens are listening to

830
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: this because that is blasphemy. I'm not crafty, oh like that.

831
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 5: I know. I have a friend who makes costumes for us,

832
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: and he's like, he's hot glue that you need to

833
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 5: put the rhyme stones if you want to pay for

834
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: my early rate, you know, to rhymestone for you for hours.

835
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do it a lot. And I've

836
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: sat down with this corset and Ryanstones next to me

837
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: for hours, just staring at it, and I'm like, I

838
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: don't know where to start, and I'll be like, I'm

839
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 5: scared I'm gonna put in the wrong place. I have

840
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: a phobia of ruining things.

841
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

842
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 6: Mine was for my very first debut as I ever

843
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 6: in the club scene. It was a ballet belt and

844
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 6: because that's when I wanted to do a reveal where

845
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 6: I took my dress off and I was wearing it.

846
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 6: It's a ballet belt that a hot glued roses all

847
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 6: over and I hot glued of rosebud too, you know,

848
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 6: my the back of the ballet belt, because I wanted

849
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: to do the full reveal and the arrival of I

850
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 6: have a rosebud and turn around and put my head

851
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 6: through my legs and there was a rosebud. I guess

852
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 6: that's the weir it is thang. I guess that's such

853
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 6: a visual and now it's hanging in a museum.

854
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: Of first does your does your drag persona influence you

855
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: a lot in in real life? Do you feel the

856
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 4: blend happening a lot?

857
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: Or is it? Are they quite clear to different personas?

858
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 6: We always say that it's a height in version of ourselves. Yeah,

859
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 6: I guess drag naturally kind of is I feel I

860
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 6: like to think there's a little separation between ir and locky,

861
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 6: but maybe looking back to me running around naked in

862
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 6: the backyard, there's not so much.

863
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel like I feel like I'm

864
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 5: a lot more chill and go with the flow and

865
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: easy going as a person outside of drag, But then

866
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 5: when I'm in drag, I'm usually like kind of serving

867
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: boss queen energy and like the decision maker and you

868
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: know kind of.

869
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 6: Now you do that in life.

870
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. True.

871
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: What's what's one thing that drag has taught you about

872
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: about vulnerability especially in relationship too?

873
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: Well? I mean it's a very different time to do

874
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 5: drag now than it was, you know, even ten years ago.

875
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 6: So where the commercialization through Ripaul and you know, just

876
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 6: the market being flooded and it's you know, everyone loves drag.

877
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 6: It's cooled to have drag queens.

878
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: Or drag is very popular in a way that I think,

879
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 5: you know, we stand on the shoulders of many giants

880
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: who did it in a time when it was unsafe

881
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: and dangerous, you know, like Oxford Street. Now you walk

882
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: up and down and there's you know, drag queens galore,

883
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: and it's the vibe there always has been. But I

884
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: think particularly like the safety level is very different now

885
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: because it's kind of celebrated as a part of not

886
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: only LGBT community, but with the rise of you know,

887
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 5: queerness in the world, it's accepted a lot more now.

888
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: It's not kind of like the other now Ripples Drag

889
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: Race is one of the highest rated you know, reality

890
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: shows ever, Yeah, and has been longed mainstream. It's now

891
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 5: no longer in the shadows. So I think it's honestly,

892
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: it would be it would be not right of me

893
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: to say that it feels hugely vulnerable to do drag,

894
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 5: because I actually feel it's a very safe thing to do.

895
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 5: I also feel very privileged in that way that I

896
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 5: live in you know, in a city in Melbourne and Sydney.

897
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 5: You know, it's different when you're in the regions. But yeah,

898
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 5: very much down on the shoulders of giants.

899
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 6: I think we definitely do. There has been times like

900
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 6: in Perth Fringe recently, I would receive some comments on the.

901
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: Street from twelve year old boys, yeah, or.

902
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 6: Just like people who would say certain things as you're

903
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 6: walking down the street. But then you walk into the

904
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: venue and they come. The same people come to your

905
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 6: shows and their minds have been slightly altered or it's

906
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 6: okay because they're in a relaxed environment, they're seeing something entertaining.

907
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: So I still think, you know, it was a bit

908
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 6: challenging with those two contrasts, if that makes sense. Yeah,

909
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: but I do think I don't know it was it was.

910
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 6: It was challenging, but I thought it was still important

911
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: because I felt that I was opening some minds or

912
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 6: changing some opinions.

913
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 5: I do think also drag queens typically and drag kings,

914
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 5: and you know, drag artists are often mascots for the

915
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: queer community in a way because we're always on not

916
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 5: typically on stages, performing and speaking, hosting. So the opinions

917
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 5: of drag queens do kind of speak often as a

918
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 5: representation for the queer community. I think it's important to

919
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 5: sometimes advocate for you know, trans riots and lives and

920
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 5: any kind of LGBT movements that are being squashed in

921
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: also other parts of the world, you know, like the

922
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: UK has been having a bit of trouble with you know,

923
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 5: trans voices being squashed. And we take it for granted

924
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 5: because I feel we've grown up in a time when

925
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: we're very lucky. It's becoming more and more accepted.

926
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 6: But being in Australia, and being.

927
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 5: In Australia grew up in South Africa, you know, it's

928
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: a different place as well. But I when I speak

929
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: to queer elders, they often say, you know, the fight

930
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 5: has to be continued because you can't just relax because

931
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: then you see the rise of certain voices that try

932
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: to bring in whether it's autocracy in fascism you know

933
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 5: that's rising in the States or even other parts in Germany.

934
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: It's not just a given that it's going to remain

935
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 5: safe for you know, marginalized community. So I think the

936
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 5: fight is ongoing, and I do feel like, you know,

937
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 5: I feel like, okay, I need to step up, and

938
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: that's a part of my responsibility as a drag artist

939
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 5: in the queer community.

940
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I was just thinking that think really well said,

941
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 6: there is a level of responsibility. Sometimes I feel like

942
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 6: when I'm in drag, I'm it's almost like I'm representing

943
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 6: a company, or if I'm facing something challenging, I'm like, Okay,

944
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 6: my reaction to this is really important to.

945
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: Represent, to represent.

946
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 6: I don't want to say the wrong thing, like it's

947
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 6: important the next few steps of this interaction.

948
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, because also you in the drag

949
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: community or in any community that isn't it is sort

950
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: of on the edge of creativity, is up for judgment,

951
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: and if you've got you know, it's really easy for someone.

952
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: To it's not in the arena.

953
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: It's not in that arena exactly to make cast judgment

954
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: or dispersion against you. And suddenly you know that becomes

955
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: a thing and it's like, nah, I'm not gonna let

956
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: that's not on my watch.

957
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 6: And it's not for everyone, especially being in cabaret where

958
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 6: the fourth wall is broken so often and you see

959
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 6: people and they maybe have been accidentally put in the

960
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 6: front row and they're not very comfortable with what they're

961
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 6: the level of involvement or what they may be seeing,

962
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 6: and that's okay. That's also part of the understanding that

963
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 6: I have to face as well. It's like that's not

964
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: for everyone, and if people have different opinions, that's okay.

965
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

966
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 5: You go to like your show, like the Burning This

967
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 5: Club Cabaret, and you just you can't help but leave

968
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 5: and feel that this is completely beautiful. How can I

969
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: not celebrate all these bodies and voices that are on stage.

970
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 5: There's you know, the songs are so beautiful and they're

971
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 5: all about togetherness, and you leave feeling inspired and like

972
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 5: you feel like you want to hate less and love more.

973
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 5: So I think that's a good way it's about to

974
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: bring people together.

975
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, as you said as well, I mean this

976
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: is such a joyous thing to be around, and like

977
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: when I asked you about on the street, I'm hoping

978
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: that people respond in a positive way because I know

979
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: how I feel when I come up in front of

980
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: people in drag and it's always such fun, you know,

981
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: specially when they go I see you, Cameron Da. I mean,

982
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: it was so fun.

983
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's grown adults and wigs and make up. You've

984
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 5: got to have a laugh as well.

985
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of footy clubs, you know, there are

986
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: the boys on their pine getting dressed up as girls

987
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: and doing the can can.

988
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: That's like, yeah, that's great.

989
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: Fun fun, so true. We do something called the Rapid Heartbeat.

990
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: Is that what we call it?

991
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Let's just I just saw that when you wrote it.

992
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: I like it.

993
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 5: I've been doing this for months.

994
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 4: That's what I thought it was. But then I went,

995
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: but I always thought that. I think that's a really

996
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: good name. It's called the Rapid Heartbeat, yout Wich figuring it.

997
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 4: So we're just going to ask you both the same questions,

998
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: So just keep your answers short and then we'll.

999
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: Finish off there.

1000
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: There you go. I'll go first, what brings speaking your joy?

1001
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 5: What brings you joy?

1002
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: Dressing up? And then.

1003
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 6: Is making people laugh? That brings me enjoy.

1004
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 5: Being with my family which includes you.

1005
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there one moment in your life that you'd

1006
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: like to relive again?

1007
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 6: Wh No, because it's all part of the journey, and

1008
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 6: if it's not been so positive, it's a learning experience.

1009
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 6: And yeah, as we said before, we both are very

1010
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 6: fortunate and very grateful for our families and our liights.

1011
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'd love to rewin the search for a

1012
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 5: Little bus Star and get that trophy and that big

1013
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: fudge chocolate basket that I got as a prize.

1014
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: Where is that?

1015
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 5: I love it, I hate it?

1016
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Finish the sentence. What the world needs now.

1017
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 6: Is another pride festival.

1018
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: Kind of what I said before, to accept each other

1019
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 5: for our differences and be able to live with two

1020
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 5: opposing ideas inside our heads and not combust I think

1021
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: that was f Scott Fitzgerald's.

1022
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: Ye, last question. One word to describe each other.

1023
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 5: Honest, caring.

1024
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 6: I always say there's like a golden Retrie, because I mean,

1025
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 6: he's got long lash's blonde hair, but he's just like

1026
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 6: so open and caring and like just a big ball

1027
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 6: of love.

1028
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Oh, this is so joyful.

1029
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 4: I love talking to them both, and you, thank you

1030
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: so much for your time, Thanks.

1031
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: For having skank skank and yeah, fantastic, so good. I

1032
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: can't wait to see.

1033
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: You guys and we can go.

1034
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the responsibility of a drag que joyous