1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart sneaker 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: From the Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, June twenty five. The Albanese government is to 6 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: tell the Aboriginal Justice Service NAJA to show leadership on 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: family violence. That's after The Australian's revelation its chairman beat 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: up his pregnant partner. The lead author of the government's 9 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: Defense Strategic Review has warned the debate over Peter Dutton's 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: nuclear energy plan has the potential to run off the 11 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: rails and turn Australians off nuclear together a threat to 12 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: the Navy's future submarine program. That story is live now 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. A fresh 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: scandal is engulfing the UK's Conservative Party, with allegations five people, 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: including a police officer with links to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: bet on the election date before Sunac announced when it 17 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: would be. Voting is in just two weeks and everyone's 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: betting Labour's Keir Starmer will be PM. But there's something 19 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: about Starma, a dashing former human rights barrister that might 20 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: surprise you. 21 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: Hello, darling, how's it going. 22 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 4: Mother's trying to fix you up with some to force. 23 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: Human rights barrison, a pretty nasty beast apparently. 24 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Who deem tong. 25 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: Maybe this time Mom had got it right. 26 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 4: Come on. 27 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: One of the greatest characters in modern movie history is 28 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: Mark Darcy, played by Colin Firth in the Bridget Jones's 29 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: Diary franchise. He was a charming, handsome, almost unbearably pompous 30 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: lawyer named after Fitzwilliam Darcy, the hero of Jane Austen's 31 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: eighteen thirteen masterpiece Pride and Prejudice. 32 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: Mother, I do not need a blind date, particularly not 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 5: some verbally incontinent spinster who smokes like a chimney, drinks 34 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: like a fetch, and dresses like a mother. 35 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: His nemesis and rival for Bridget's affections was suave TV 36 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: executive Daniel Cleaver played by Hugh Grant, a cad for 37 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: the ages there fight scenes two men who don't know 38 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: how to fight, reveling at each other our cinema classics. 39 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 4: Do you have any idea what's century we actually live in? 40 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: Are you're gonna sit outside. 41 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have to drag you. 42 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to drag me. 43 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: They fall into a fountain and have the least dignified 44 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: brawl ever caught on film. 45 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: Do you know what, mate, Because you're so obsessed with 46 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: Bridgete Jones, why don't you just marry her? 47 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Because then she definitely shagged me. It has long been rumored, 48 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: ever since it came out that Keir Starmer was the 49 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: inspiration for mister Darcy, the handsome but slightly stuffy human 50 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: rights lawyer who is the great love of Bridget Johns 51 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: and Bridget Joins's diary. 52 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Richard Ferguson is the Australian's National Chief of Staff. We 53 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: should note that Helen Fielding, the author of the Bridget 54 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Jones books, has denied basing Mark Darcy on Kiirs Starmer. 55 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I think it's hard not to see him as a 56 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of mister Darcy figure. Keir Starmer has led an 57 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: incredibly interesting life. He was very much a lawyer rather 58 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: than a politician, never really involved in student politics, ended 59 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: up in the Chief prosecutor in England. 60 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: He is how Britain's Channel four News framed it. 61 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 5: I've used to run the Crown Prosecution Service. Fiber was 62 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 5: Director of Public Prosecutions. Director of Public Prosecutions. 63 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: He wants you to know about these five years in 64 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: his career, the job for which he was knighted. 65 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 5: I've taken down terrorist gags in my. 66 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Path had some controversies. For example, you know he never 67 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: prosecuted the terrible BBC personality and later revealed mass pedifile 68 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: Jimmy Saville. 69 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: The evidence is now overwhelming that one of Britain's most 70 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: beloved entertainers, the late Sir Jimmy Saville, was also a 71 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: predatory sex offender. 72 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: But he was considered to be a very tough on 73 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: cream prosecutor, went for big sentences and then he joined 74 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the Labor Party got into Parliament in twenty fifteen. 75 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: That was when David Cameron's Conservatives scraped into coalition government, 76 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: leaving Labor ed Miliband and Starmer on the opposition benches. 77 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: So he thought he was joining kind of the new 78 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: ed Meliban government after a rackety coalition between the Tories 79 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: and the Liberal Democrats. Instead, he's been forced to Leve's 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: years in oppositionion and Lever's years in oppossession under Jeremy Corbin. 81 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: Corbyn was the hard left Labor leader whom Starmer would 82 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: eventually replace after a thumping defeat of Labor at the 83 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen election, and. 84 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: It has made him a ruthless figure, but also a 85 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: very safe and sometimes people would say slightly gellibella figure 86 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to policy. 87 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: In particular, Starmer is promising to rebuild the public health 88 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: system a clean energy transformation, and he's sent a chill 89 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: through the middle classes with a plan to put the 90 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: broad based VAT tax on private schools. 91 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: It's a very Daniel Andrews esque policy. It's essentially putting 92 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: up what we would call a GST on private school fees. 93 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: Now private schools have a little bit of a different 94 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: relationship I think than here in Australia. I think a 95 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: lot more people use private schools Australia than they would 96 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: in Britain. But it has slightly dented his attempts to 97 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: portray himself as somebody who supports aspiration, as somebody who 98 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: supports people who want to grow wealth. And after Jeremy Corbyn, 99 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: who is a Marxist, admitted that by his own admission, 100 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: he had worked very hard to try and re establish 101 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: Labor as a party that can work with business. It's 102 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: a more kind of classic labor corporadist sort of socialist left, 103 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: probably a little bit like Anthony Albanezy. 104 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: So he's not going to ta down the establishment. 105 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: He's definitely not going to tear down the establishment. He 106 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: does have a knighthood, after all, he is Sir Kiir Starmer. 107 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: He's really made a point of trying to reintroduce patriotism 108 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: into the Labor Party. Of course, Jeremy Corbyn famously didn't 109 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: sing God Save the Queen, was an avid Republican, turned 110 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: up to tripping the color in donkey jackets and things 111 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: like that. He is very much portrayed himself as a 112 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 1: supporter of the king, obviously a supporter of the late Queen. 113 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: He does want to make changes to the House of Lords. 114 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: He wants to stop all lords over the age of 115 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: eighty being active participants in the Second Chamber, and he 116 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: wants to get rid of head reditary peers and people 117 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: who become lords by birth. The manifesto is that eventually 118 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: the House of Lords will be abolished, and I mean 119 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: this has been the opinion of Towny Blair and Gordon 120 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: Browne as well, but it's about lake the Republican Australia 121 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: for the Labor Party. It mate saying diod in theory, 122 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: but I think when it comes to the practice, they're 123 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: less keen to run into it. But I think that's 124 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: another example of hope. This is not a prime minister 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: who's going to tear down the establishment anytime soon. This 126 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: is no Jeremy Corbyn. 127 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: This campaign kicked off last month in a downpour. It 128 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: was the campaign launch a snap election called by Pam 129 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: Rishi Sunak in an attempt to get the jump on Labor, 130 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: complete with a Churchill esque speech out the front of 131 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: ten Downing Street. But Sunak's team clearly forgot to look 132 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: out the window first, and seconds after Sunac opened his mouth, 133 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: the heavens opened and he was drenched. 134 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 5: Over the next few weeks, I will fight for every vote. 135 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 5: I will earn your trust. 136 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: And then someone with a loud speaker started blasting Sunak 137 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: with things can only get better, the nineteen nineties anthem 138 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: and Labour's unofficial theme song. 139 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: China is looking to dominate the twenty first century by 140 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: stealing a lead in technology and migration is being weaponized 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 5: by hostile states to threaten the integrity of our borders. 142 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: I think your take out from his appearance in the 143 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: reign was that he was a bit of a drip. 144 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: Now as his campaign improved it all since the beginning. 145 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: No, he's not just a drep. He's a whole stalking puddle. 146 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: I mean, he's lost in the puddle. It may be 147 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the most disastrous political campaign and modern Western politics since 148 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: oh who knows. I mean, he mixed both short and 149 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: entries of me looks like campaign geniuses, makes Hillary Clinton 150 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: look like a competent campaigner. You know, to just be 151 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into 152 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: what I call the basket of deplorables, right the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, 153 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you name it. It's been a terrible campaign and it's 154 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: not all of his fault, but a lot of it 155 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: is his fault. He has no eye for politics. Unfortunately, 156 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: the skepping of d D was a completely not disaster, 157 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: which I think Kelder's campaign stone dead. 158 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 2: That's where Sunak flew home early from D Day commemorations 159 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: in France to give an interview to ITV that delivered 160 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: one of the most toe curlingly awkward moments in modern politics. 161 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: Have you ever gone without something? 162 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 163 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: I mean I grot. My family emigrated here with very little, 164 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: and that's how I was raised. I was raised for 165 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: the values of hard work. 166 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 4: What did you go. 167 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Without as a child? 168 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: Lots of things, right, because my parents wanted to put 169 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: everything into our education and that was a priority. So 170 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: what sort of things had to be sacrificed? Lots of things, right, 171 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: I would give me an example, all sorts of things, 172 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 3: like lots of people. There'll be all sorts of things 173 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: that I would have wanted as a kid that I 174 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: couldn't have, right, But famously SkyTV that was something that 175 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: we never had growing up. 176 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: Actually, this scandal where members of the top Tory campaign 177 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: team are now being investigated for betting on the election 178 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: date because they had found out the election date before 179 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: the Prime minister announced it has I think shocked people 180 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: and it was reminiscent of the party Gate scandals under 181 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Boris Johnson and where people were having parties during COVID 182 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: lockdowns and Tory staffers were having parties during COVID lockdowns, 183 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: in which it seems to be one role for Tory 184 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: staffers in one role for everybody else. His top cabinet 185 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: ministers are basically out there admitting they're not going to 186 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: win and that it's all about stopping labor from having 187 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: massive majority, and he looks completely defeated. Resisternaki looks as 188 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to be there. I think he's 189 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: thinking about his next job in Silicon Valley. But it's 190 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: a very sad end for the Tory Party's fourteen years 191 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: of power. 192 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: There are predictions hard to fathom that the Tories could 193 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: see their three hundred and forty four seats chipped down 194 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: to just one hundred in Britain's six hundred and fifty 195 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: seat House of Commons. That would be worse than the 196 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: conservatives nadir the nineteen oh six election when they were 197 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: reduced to just one hundred and fifty six seats. Coming 198 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: up the populist firebrand who's stealing all suon acts thunder. 199 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: The Australian's full of expert analysis from politics to business. 200 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: We'd love you to join our subscribers and always be 201 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: the smartest person in the room. Check us out at 202 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: the Australian dot com dot a U and we'll be 203 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: back after this break. There's certainly a dynamic voice on 204 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: the Conservative side of UK politics. But it's not one 205 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: of the Tories. It's Nigel Farage, the populist anti europe 206 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: campaigner who's now turned his attention to securing Britain's borders. 207 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Nigel Farage really came on the scene to advocate for 208 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Britain's exit from the European Union really before it was popular. 209 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: In many ways. One of the reasons that David Cameron 210 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: called the Brexit referendum in twenty sixteen was to head 211 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: off Nigel Farage doing what Nigel Farage appears to be 212 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: doing no, which is completely gobbling up the Tory vote. No. 213 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: He ended up doing very well when he ford something 214 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: called the Brexit Party when Theresa mel was failing to 215 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: get in Brexit done. And he ran again obviously in 216 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but didn't do very well because Boris Johnson 217 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: managed to get a lot of that vote that he 218 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: was taking back. But this time he's been able to 219 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: really establish himself as a very very powerful voice. He 220 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: has made a major stumble though, I think, in that 221 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: he's basically revealed himself as soft on. 222 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: Putting hang on a second. We provoked this war, of course, 223 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: it's his fault he's used but we provoked the invasion. 224 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: And very interestingly, once again ten years ago, what I 225 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: predicted this? By the way, I'm the only person in 226 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: British politics that predicted what would happen, and of course 227 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: everyone said I was a pariah for daring to suggest it. 228 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: He said that the EU had a lot to blame 229 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: for the situation in Ukraine, and I think a lot 230 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: of traditional Tories who are very anti Russia and very 231 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: pro Ukraine may be turned off by that. So I 232 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: think that was a mistake on his part. But things 233 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: are looking good for him. He's running in Clacton, which 234 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: is a seaside town which has the second oldest population 235 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: of the electorates in Britain, so I think he'd have 236 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: a very good chance there. But famously he did say 237 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: before he decided to run in selection, which was not 238 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: a sure thing, he said, do I really want to 239 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: spend every weekend in Clacton? Well, they see what they've 240 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: WoT to say about that. 241 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: Richard Ferguson is The Australian's National Chief of Staff. 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