WEBVTT - Bikies, ink and a vicious rumour | 2 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:05.840 She was the first time met us. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:11.639 Everything to me, having now spent so much time with Christy, 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.080 this is hard to watch. I'm looking back at the 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.840 family's first press conference from the Channel nine archives and 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.520 my heart is breaking. Christie's told me so much about 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.680 this time in her life. She's pale, bewildered. And it's 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.240 just a week after Rochelle's death. It's June two thousand 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:34.919 and one. There are no clear suspects, and detectives are 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.000 desperate for more people to come forward with information. Putting 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:43.600 the family's grief on display is their strongest play, so 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.440 they asked the family to make their first public appeal 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.519 and the child's would do anything for answers. At this point, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.640 Graham sits in the middle of a long trestle table 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.480 with his wife and to his left, and then Christy 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:00.400 beside her. They're all holding hands as they face them media, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.320 their sorrow raw and visible. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.039 Love I very much and we're always will And if 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.560 anyone's got any knowledge, you know, to help us in 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.959 our party, then come forward. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.320 I'm Ashley Hanson and you're listening to episode two of 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.520 Dear Rochelle, a podcast by True Crime Australia. This is 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.280 the untold story of Rochelle Charles, a twenty three year 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.440 old who was brutally murdered. Her killer has never been caught. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:52.960 The four of us were so close. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.000 I think this sort of a thing would either rip 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.200 a family apart or bring them closer together. And it 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.640 definitely brought the three of us close together. But we 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.920 kind of grieved away from one another. We would talk 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.359 about her and talk about the case all the time, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:15.320 but being upset and crying, and you know, we didn't 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.680 do that in front of each other, which is interesting. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.919 You know, if I saw Mom upset, that would make 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.240 my grief worse, and same with Dad, and likewise, we 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.560 just talked about her and the case and happy times. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.000 But yeah, we kind of fell apart away from each other. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.120 It was only eighteen at the time and grew up 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.480 very quickly. Yeah, I can imagine. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.040 And did you go into a bit of a fog? 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.040 I know you've described before that you don't remember a 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.399 lot of that period after that, which is totally understandable. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.160 So how did you pick yourself back up? 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:51.520 I don't know. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.920 I don't remember that. Probably the next six months are 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.280 very blurry. I was very angry, I was very sad. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.919 I was very angry, rightly, so, yeah, And I was 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.240 an eighteen year old with attitude anyway, but I was 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:07.920 just angry. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:09.239 Yeah. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.040 I don't honestly don't remember much. I do remember that day. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.120 This is horrible, this part. I didn't talk to Mum 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:17.600 and Dad. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:18.160 For a little while. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.320 I just sort of stayed away because I didn't want 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.760 to see them feel that. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.160 I just didn't want to say it. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.920 But later on I was sitting on my bed and 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.919 Dad was sitting next to me, and I was born, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.480 and he was cuddling me, and we're talking about it, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.400 and he said there's more. When I said what and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.000 he said when they put her down at to row 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.080 while they set her on fire. I don't know how 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.160 Dad told me that. Then he was crying and I 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:48.080 was screaming, and. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.920 It was horrible. That's very clear in my mind. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:59.160 Poor dad, Have you ever thought why me? I've lost 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.280 so much over there is? I never say why me? 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.320 I just think of why all of it? There's some 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.560 awful people out there. She was so good. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:09.600 I just don't. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.440 Understand how do you process new grief. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.640 You never get over it, never, but you just learn 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.400 to manage it. And yeah, you have to get on 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.600 with life because I've still got another daughter and granddaughter 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.800 there so and you can't put yourself out there and 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.400 be complaining and carrying on because it just brings everyone 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.320 else down and it's not good for yourself. You've just 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.520 got to cop it and always wonder why and to 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.080 eventually hopefully I find closure. I don't see there's closing anything, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.120 but it's just satisfaction that hopefully we can find out 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.239 who dio this. I'd just like to see a person 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.040 off the streets. No, I'd like to be in a 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.160 room with him for five minutes if you don't just 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:55.880 stick him and I. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.440 No rules. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.599 Yeah, that's understandable. He's taken so much from you. He 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:09.000 has no idea, oh idea really. Rochelle might have moved 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.239 to Bargo for the peace in the space a small 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.640 community offered, but the people of Bargo had encountered evil before. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.080 The nation was shocked by the most brutal of crimes, 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.719 the rape and murder of Bargo schoolgirl Ebonie Simpson. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:29.080 She was Daddy's little girl, nine year old ebone Simpson. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.040 She was abducted, raped and thrown alive into a dam, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:34.680 where she drowned. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.640 In nineteen ninety two, nine years before Rochelle's murder, Ebonie's 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.000 innocent smile was seen in the minds of Australian parents. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.280 I remember when it happened. I was the same age 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.680 as Ebonie, nine years old, and I wasn't allowed to 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.280 walk to school anymore like so many other children. Her 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.520 pedophile killer, Andrew Peter Garforth, was senten to life in 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.120 prison and his papers marked never to be released. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.040 My name is Mick Ashwood, a police officer from New 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:12.400 South Wales Police Force between nineteen eighty four and twenty ten, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.000 twenty six year service. I retired in twenty ten as 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.320 a detective inspector. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.880 Mick Ashwood recalls escorting Garforth to the Bargo Dam where 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.320 he drowned little Ebony. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.280 We call miss a Girl's Missing and that was the 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.160 one case I've worked on where I would say every 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.000 decision from the top down was made, was excellent. When 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.800 the young offender, when he admitted to what he'd done, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.720 then wanted to show where the body was, so I 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.200 just drove him with the others out to the scene. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.080 We've found a body later in the dam. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.120 Garforth was even part of the volunteer search group pretending 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.359 to look for Ebony before he began to unravel. Cases 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.080 like that, they stick with you and Mick would never forget. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.640 When Ebeney's family met Rachelle's. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.920 The irony is grand child's came to speak to one 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.839 of the detective's training courses and Ebide Simpson's mum was 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:12.000 there and just you know, I broke down because it's 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.520 the first some way I'd put my head into the 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.000 world of the victim, you know, And so because you know, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.080 her pink lunchbox was floating on the water when we 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.640 got there and the lights were turned on. It was 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.240 only in the two thousands, ten years later that it 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:26.720 got to me. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.520 Two very horrendous crimes connected to Bargo. How does that 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:32.600 change your community? 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.280 Well, it is a stigma, and people say the old 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.360 usual thing, blame the media. Don't want the media in here, 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.080 and that's I understand that, But it's the evolution of 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.720 a rural area that into urbanization. Garforth was a guy 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:54.000 who got out of jail, came over and start up 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.600 a new life here and was just looking for another victim. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.240 Could have been any area. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.880 And at what point did you join the murder investigation 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.880 of Rochelle Child's I. 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.640 Think it was about one year after the death occurred. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.760 I was asked by my boss to undertake an intelligence 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.640 review and assist the local police who are leading the investigation. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.640 And how would you describe the investigation when you joined it. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.000 The initial meetings didn't occur in the normal way at 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.120 a police station. They occurred at coffee shops, which was 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.640 a bit unusual. They had five or six persons of interest, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.960 and how the position they were in there was sort 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.920 of stuck. My initial concern was after a year homicide 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.800 investigation generally does not have five or six persons of interest, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.640 or they were referred to at the time as suspects. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:50.000 It's quite unusual. It's usually one two usually that's the case. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.080 And that highlighted to me there was an issue of 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.800 fundamental issue with the investigation. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.400 Rochelle's murder was always comples from a police perspective. They 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.280 quickly came to the realization they were hunting an extremely 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:12.959 dangerous sex offender. But this wasn't a random attack. Detectives 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.280 believe Rochelle knew her killer and he was hell bent 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.599 on covering his tracks. Rochelle's body was badly burned, destroying 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.760 forensic evidence. There was a lot of finger pointing and 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.840 someone was spreading rumors. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.240 Graham Child's wife Ann and daughter Christie last saw a 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.680 twenty three year old Rochelle last Wednesday night. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.400 The following evening she was murdered. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.440 Don't know something like that could happen here. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.280 Rachelle's parents say their daughter's body cannot truly be put 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.440 to rest until it's known who is responsible for her death. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.360 We heard that she had been tied to a tree 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.240 and set on fire and possibly tortured. That was some 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.480 very early reports. Police were not, you know, sharing a 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.600 lot of information during investigations, and that's quite common. They 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:08.080 want to keep a few things secret. So these torture allegations, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.240 the tying up, that took us a long time to 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.200 even have that dispelled, that she'd been tied to a tree. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.240 My name is Mark murray On, the crime editor of 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.640 the Sydney Daily Telegraph. You've got a small country town. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.000 They're very very protective those communities. That also made it 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.600 hard to get accurate information. It also means there's a 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.080 lot of like pub talk rumor, so getting to the 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.320 truth of what happened or what was being investigated. Was 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.760 really very hard, especially back then, because in a town 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.400 like that, you can't tell me that somebody doesn't know 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.359 what's going on. That killers do share. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.720 But do they always share the truth. Rachelle was popular, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.600 She had no known enemies. She was single, gorgeous, friendly, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.319 and maybe a little naive. She was only twenty three. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.080 He from her best friend Lisa and work mate Fiona 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.719 about their final conversations with Rachelle. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.160 I gave her a serving. She had told me at 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.239 that point that she was going to a rebels clubhouse, 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.440 and I just ripped into her and I said, that 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.120 is idiotic, stupid, don't you dare? 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:20.840 Do you know how dangerous that could be? 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.400 You know, just ripped into her, and in my head 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.480 she was going to a particular clubhouse, but probably because 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:27.560 that's the only one I knew of. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.840 The only time she'd ever mentioned rebels to me was 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.960 that she'd been invited to a party and would I 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.040 ever go? And I said, no way, and that was 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:38.200 the end of the conversation. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.319 She kind of fought back a little bit, and I 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.840 think we hung up on each other in fury, but 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.480 she ended up texting me back afterwards. Saying, you know, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.160 you're a good mate, Lisa, and I get where you're 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.320 coming from. But don't worry. You know what, I trust 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.079 this Sash person, which was the person that was going 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.920 to take her there, and I'll be fine. So I 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.600 think that that put me at peace a little bit. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.640 But also I was still twenty three and fiery, and 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.600 so I turned my phone off. I'll never stop regretting 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:16.240 turning my phone off because she died that night and 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:18.680 she could have been calling. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:29.480 Yeah, there's only one person or people responsible for Rochelle's 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.640 death and it's not her loved ones. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.800 Logic knows that, ah bo. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:47.040 Yeah, the Sash Lise is referring to is Sash milchah 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.160 Reck Senior. He's one of the first persons of interest 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:56.439 police explored. Remember nine pois were identified and scrutinized. At 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.640 the time, he was a senior member of the Bargo 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.600 chapter of the Rebel Outlaw motorcycle Gang and he also 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.080 owned a car yard in Bargo. You can imagine after 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.679 Rochelle's murder it was a pretty unnerving time for locals. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.160 Everyone was talking about it and they wanted to know 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.199 who did it. A killer was on the. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.479 Loose, cropper in a Larma General Checks. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.760 Sash and other members of the biking group were hauled 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:29.240 in for questioning. Here's the Daily Telegraph crime editor Mark Mourray. Again, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.520 there were. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:36.160 Rumors that the potentially had some involvement with bikes. You know, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.160 there was suggestions that the Bargo had a biking influence. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.560 And we do know country towns bikes, especially some of 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.160 the lower members, they make their money selling dope, and 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.840 particularly in those smaller towns like that. So there were 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.760 those rumors that she could have been involved with the 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.120 biking member or just knew some of them, which would 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.000 be hard not to. I suppose if you're a young person, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.960 they'd probably only be a pub or two in town, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.240 so and a rumor would fly she might have had 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:03.960 a beer with one. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.960 We did hear that police were taking the rumors seriously. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.640 They were investigating whether Rochelle was involved with the Rebels 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.880 bikei club and was she selling drugs. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.160 I'd never ever seen her with drugs. If she was 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.800 selling drugs, she'd have had money. If she was selling drugs, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.280 she'd have probably been doing. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.720 Drugs like that. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.800 It just makes no sense whatsoever, and it makes me angry. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.520 But it was sort of like a case of Chinese whispers. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.240 And you know, the Rebels are known for not being 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.960 nice people and for being into drugs and crime and 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.040 things like that, so they're an easy target to point 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.680 the finger out. And it's an interesting story. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:44.240 You know. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.960 I heard someone say that she was dealing drugs for 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.960 the Rebels and she ripped them off. I can tell 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.040 you for free. She was lucky to put more than 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.840 five dollars at a time in her tank at the 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.960 petrol station. She was broke, she was terrible money. She 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:02.000 didn't have any money. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.480 Let's explore those two points. Was Rochelle involved with bikeis 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.520 and could she have been dealing drugs? First, Rochelle's friends 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.640 say she'd been invited to a party at the Rebels clubhouse, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.200 but she'd never mentioned anything like that before, so they 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.200 were shocked. And then after she was killed, a rumor 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.400 has started the bikes were responsible because she owed them 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.320 money for drugs. Police weren't ruling anything out, but let's 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.680 look at the evidence. The autopsy results found no traces 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.840 of drugs or alcohol in Rochelle's system, No drugs were 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.200 found in her home, car or any of her belongings, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.400 and When police went through her phone records, they found 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.240 nothing out of the ordinary. Rochelle was known to ask 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.760 her family for help if she was short on cash, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.640 so turning to drug dealing before going to them would 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.600 be very out of character. And if Rochelle was involved 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.560 with bi kids and was in that much trouble, wouldn't 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.240 her friends and family have noticed some kind of change 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.040 in her behavior. There are just so many things about 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:20.880 this case that don't add up. Someone who's been helping 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.760 Christy piece it all together over the years is her 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.480 best friend, Mindy Wicks. Minnie's a self confessed sluice with 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:34.640 a sharp mind. She's consumed by Christie's quest to find justice. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.680 We do awkward? 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:42.840 Well, see is that part of what you love about Mint? 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.040 She snorts. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.040 It's one of the first things I noticed about her. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.120 But that's on did you when you laugh? 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.040 Ad? 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.760 How would I describe Mindy as the best friend? 0:16:55.120 --> 0:17:03.440 She's incredibly loyal, hilarious, She's hilarious, she's feeding me lies, Chris. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:10.600 She's incredibly loyal, incredibly kind, incredibly giving, pretty fierce backs 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.680 the younger dogs. She reminds me of Rochelle in a 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.840 lot of ways. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:23.400 How would I describe my friendship with Christie easy natural. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:28.360 It's just Christie. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.080 She's the best true story. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.600 Yeah, no, bullshit. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:38.000 Just she just loves you. That's true. I do. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.119 I it makes me angry. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:43.359 I'll just get angry. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:45.960 It's not right. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.520 It's twenty three years. Shouldn't have been twenty three days, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:50.520 shouldn't have happened. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.000 Yeah, so. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:58.199 I don't know what it would be like to be 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.879 in that position, to ship position. I mean, it just 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.760 makes me angry. They deserve it, they deserve to know. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.680 None of it should have happened in the first place. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:13.360 But to be. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.400 Waiting not knowing is. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:20.160 Shit. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.000 I don't know how she does it like it kills me. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.800 And yeah, I don't know. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:35.479 She is probably one of, if not the strongest person 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:35.800 I know. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.400 She's just. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.280 I don't think she believes it, but she's pretty fierce herself. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:19:09.440 I think. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:04.600 Already ready to blame always. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:08.159 I did. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:13.639 Chadwick, Christie and Mindy A going to have the words 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.480 team shell tattooed on their legs. It's a tribute to 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.000 Rachelle and also a symbol of their commitment to finding 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:21.520 the truth. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.359 We're going to do exactly why Rochelle made it, How 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:25.679 to make. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:27.720 That slight. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.960 I'd like to do it a little bit bigger than 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.240 your okay, because you know something you want to hide. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.760 It's something that you want people to see. Is this 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.000 something that Rachelle wrote? 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.520 No, they've created the design by using Rochelle's handwriting. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.119 Did you put that together? 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:45.280 And have just put that together? 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.600 She got in trouble with the police, had a driving 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.480 incident and she had written all over the statement from 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.520 the cloth with all these arguments down the side about 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.560 how wrong he was the chatty tattooist. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.080 Is Dash milcharek? He actually knew Rochelle. You've heard him 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.520 mentioned earlier in relation to a party at the Rebels clubhouse? 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.760 Is that little bits too bad? 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:13.960 Though? 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:14.480 Didn't have. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.639 To that is awesome? 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:23.200 Coo are. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:35.000 Sorry? 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:35.959 Mum got another one. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.159 Christie is keen to speak to anyone connected to her 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.720 sister's case. Do fill in the blanks. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:43.760 Did you fire Carl Fair? 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:44.240 Or did she. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.720 Oh deah oh there. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.520 In two thousand and one, Sash lived in Bargo and 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.280 he ran a business there called Sash Has Used Cars. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:06.119 His slogan was don't buy trash, see Sash and save cash. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.760 He was a well known character in town, either through 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.600 his car yard or through his membership with the Rebels 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.280 motorcycle club. As you just heard, Sasha had brought a 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.840 car from Rochelle's boyfriend, and it was common practice to 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.720 wheel and deal cars and parts between other businesses, which 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.480 included Camden Holden where Rochelle and Fiona worked. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.240 So, guys, I meet with smaller caryards, we go and 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.400 buy them from the big kayaks, same as where Rashaul worked. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.919 If he had needed anything brought down. She lived there, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.760 so it made sense that she would drop them in 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.480 to the caryard. I assume if he needed stuff for 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.920 his caryard, so it wasn't that usual for him to 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:49.080 call and. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:49.879 Ask for her. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.000 In regards to parts, I would assume. 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.280 I only remember her Camden holder trying to order a 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.200 car for my wife. That's when I made the phone 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:00.920 call they to see the that car come in. She 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:02.920 thought was going to come in on a Tuesday or something, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.399 and was it a Thursday? It was a Thursday on 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.920 it and then I said, she goes, We'm me Thursday 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.399 afternoon should be in by then, you know, But it 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.080 wasn't a been. That was the end of it. Yeah, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:16.760 and the young girl said that she left about five 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.440 ten minutes ago. Whoever was on the counter, Yeah, and 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:19.840 that was it. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.080 That call Sash made to Candid Holden asking for Rochelle 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.880 just minutes after she was seen for the last time, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.720 were to put him on the police radar very early. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.399 And don't forget the Rebels biker group are considered by 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.160 Australian authorities to be a criminal gang known for drug 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.320 trafficking and other serious crimes. Not that we're suggesting Sash 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.719 had any involvement in criminal activity. Sash says he met 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.040 Rochelle through her boyfriend at the time, Shane Loakes. It 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:49.639 was hard. 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.280 It was hard, and everywhere you walked and then you're 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.159 started hearing people saying this about you and saying that 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.680 Abelian and saying you've done this and you've done that. 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.440 You think, how do you get this shit? How does 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.600 this come? You know, like fucking blame on me? What 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.879 because I'm in a bike club fun. We're in the 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:11.000 bikes and chase you know, chasing fun and whatever and 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:15.240 drinking beer and you know it's and chasing that dream, 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:19.120 going for arrive your mates and whatever. You know, Chilling people, 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.800 you know, especially a woman like come on and over money. Please, 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.760 No amount of money is gonna worth the while going 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.240 in jail for you know what I mean, Like, come on, And. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.200 I didn't need to have definitely didn't have any money. 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.840 And you know, I never ever, ever, ever, I never 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:39.840