WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 14 November 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.360 Why on Skyn's Australia. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:09.200 This is to Nika Degeorgio, Hello and welcome to the 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.240 show coming up tonight. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:11.719 The Liberals ditch net zero. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.960 Now the hard work begins for Susan Lee taking. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.200 Up the fight to labor on power prices. A ridiculous 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:19.799 report calls for softer. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:25.000 Bail laws, more proof labor is completely disconnected from community expectations. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.960 Plus the BBC caught out again with a second show 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.600 doctoring Donald Trump's January sixth address. But first tonight, day 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.280 one of the Liberal Party's hard sell on energy has begun. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.320 Opposition leader Susan Lee was up early on the front 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.400 foot on Breakfast TV, explaining why the party had to 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.640 dump net zero twenty fifty, a. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:53.519 Policy that delivers affordable energy and responsible emissions reduction. That 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.520 we have to be agnostic about what technologies we bring 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.480 to bear. We do very well at exporting that natural gas, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.960 but we're not using it for Australians and we believe 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.920 in using those Australian resources for Australian families. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:06.319 First. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.720 Well, the message from the Liberal Party is clear, but 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.559 they have to convert this decision into results and bring 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.560 voters with them. And given this as a party that 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.640 has not known for some time what it actually stands for. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.479 It's basically starting from the bottom again. Already the left 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.160 have begun the climate hysteria, meltdowns and lies and this 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.760 is what Susan Lee is going to face day in 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.839 day out from the Greens, the Teals, labor and left 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.320 wing parts of the media. They will demonize this as 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:38.920 climate zealotry, and. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.880 Of course we know it's just not the case. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.680 The starting gun on energy policy has been fired and 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.560 we are finally getting the debate we so desperately need, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.360 allowing voters you at home, a chance to have the 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.320 say on how we keep the lights on in this country. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.720 Do we continue down a tricky pathway into the never 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.000 never via Labour's experiment of renewables only, or do we 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.720 add cheap reliable energy into the mix through coal, nuclear 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.600 and gas to keep the lights on. You now get 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.040 to decide. And that is why the hard cell matters 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.720 now more than ever before, because this is the sort 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.960 of nonsense already being peddled. Haven't listened to the Prime 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:18.840 Minister this morning? 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.680 We're seen a capitulation by the Liberal Party to the 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:28.320 policy that was announced effectively by the National Party. Susan 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.720 Lee has said that she would be a moderate and 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.480 that she'd modernize the Liberal Party's agenda after their twenty 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.880 twenty five result. Instead, she's chosen to take Australia backwards. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.919 They're walking away from climate action. They fundamentally dismissive of 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.799 the science of climate change. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.919 Look, the Prime Minister is running scared for the first time. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.280 His energy policies are back on the agenda. His science 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.560 simply does not stack up. Australia is too small of 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.959 a player to have any climate impact. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:03.320 So in essence, the. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.360 Coalition has forced his hand on this because he's going 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.160 to have to confront his own policies, which have seen 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.239 our bills go up by forty percent. Then there was 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.800 former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, still suffering from an acute 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.120 case of relevance deprivation syndrome. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.200 You know, with the Liberal Party room that think they've 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.320 got the memory of goldfish in the dining habits of Piranhas. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.040 They're just they forgot. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.520 They seem to just keep on forgetting and making the 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:32.799 same mistake. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:33.280 Again and again. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.280 But do not just sound like an echo for Alberanezi. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.080 But what he said to you about the energy economics 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.960 is absolutely right and anyone in the industry knows that. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.280 Well, guess what, Malcolm, You are sounding like an echo 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:45.600 chamber for the Labor Party. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.920 And here was Till and p o Legrispender on Sky News. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.720 What this does is it injects more uncertainty into investments 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.320 that people are making, not for the next three years. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.040 But for decades at the same. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.800 Time, without providing a clear plan on actually how the 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:09.520 coalition is planning to reduce to reduce prices and or 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.040 emissions if they care or not care. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.680 Look, this is just wrong. How can she say this? 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.480 The Financial Review held its Energy and Climate summit last month, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.839 and let me show you how the paper summed up 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.080 the event. It said, quote Chris Bowen tells us the 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.560 economics for investing in renewables remain utterly convincing. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.159 But new wind and solar farms have stalled. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.039 And we've heard about little other than challengers for the 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:41.280 past two days. Why because industry needs certainty. But this 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.200 highlights the key issue now for the liberals. Net zero 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.039 is gone. Great, but is Susan Lee the leader who 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.000 can defend all these attacks from the left and turn 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.240 it around into an attack on labor and its horrendous 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.440 energy policies. She says she. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.520 Can does this secure your leader? 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:09.120 Susan Absolutely, and I'm determined to fight every day for Australians. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.760 Now, look, I think she's going to need a lot 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.359 of help to sell this. There is no blueprint for 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.680 the Liberal Party to follow on selling energy. In the 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.000 dying days of this year's election, the word nuclear wasn't 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.360 even mentioned. It was as if the policy which they 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.160 took to the election never even existed, even though it 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.799 was their boldest policy announcement in years. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.000 Everyone has to play a part. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.920 Now, why not bring Andrew Hasty and just sent a 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.880 nampajimper Price back to the front bench. Who better to 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.440 help sell dumping net zero than two politicians who have 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.839 been arguing against it from the start. Senator Price knows 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.560 how to successfully run a campaign. She proved that during 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.240 the Voice, the formula then worked. Now, of course this 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.840 is not the voice. This is very different and this 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.160 is a very divided Liberal Party, with some moderates even 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.120 today claiming they don't know if they can even sell 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.600 the policy. But why not bring Senator Price and Andrew 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.200 Hasty back and give yourself every chance possible of getting 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.919 this right. It makes no sense to me to waste 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.359 good talent at such a crucial time. Now, whether or 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.080 not both would want to, whether they actually support Susan 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.680 Lee as leader is a different story. But this is 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:29.239 what the cell comes down to. When under Labour's plans, 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.119 where we see household power wills actually come down. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.000 Well, what's very clear is that the upward pressure on 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:41.560 electricity prices doesn't come from the new renewable, reliable, cleaner 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:42.440 and cheaper energy. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.760 Can you actually provide a time from though? 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.760 Now I'll leave the energy forecasting to others. We've made 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.080 it very clear that we will give Australia the best 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.720 chance of getting those electricity prices over time. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.560 Now, look, the Coalition must prosecute that day in, day out. 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.480 Our economy relies on energy, Our livelihoods rely on energy, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.839 Our defense industry relies on energy. Now is the time 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.080 to expose this nonsense being peddled by the Left because 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.520 we are still waiting for our bills to come down. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:16.880 Well, Labour doesn't do. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.800 Energy policy, or migration policy, or economic policy, and the 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.440 list goes on, and now it can add law and 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.280 order to that list as it may seek to push 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.720 what can only be described as an offender, first, victim 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.480 last approach. According to the Australian Are report, authored by 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.960 officials from every Commonwealth, state and territory government, is urging 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.160 all jurisdictions to loosen their bail laws. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.600 Attorney General Michelle Roland. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.920 Is pushing to release this report, which recommends all governments 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:55.040 insure bail laws explicitly provide that imprisonment be a last resort. Really, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.760 I mean this to me provides the perfect blueprint, doesn't 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.280 it for any left wing guns across the country to 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.200 adopt under the guise of recommendations to keep the hard 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.080 left of the party happy, the inner city hippies happy, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:09.520 and to stop votes. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.800 Bleeding to the Greens. But here is the real kicker, and. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.200 This is the real reason for this report and it's 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:20.600 all based on race based politics. The SAG Spail and 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.040 romand Reform Working Groups report aims to reduce the gap 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.760 in incarceration rates between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians under 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.200 the Closing the Gap Agreement. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.480 It calls for a requirement. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.840 That quote courts consider a person's status as an Aboriginal 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.920 or Torres Strait islander before making a bail decision, so 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.559 provisions for one group based on the color of their 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.520 skin versus everyone else. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.720 Now, let's just deal with facts here. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:56.480 Indigenous Australians have a disproportionate incarcination rate, maybe because they 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.920 commit a disproportionate amount of crime. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.720 Aboriginal and torrestrate Islander prisoners account. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.040 For thirty seven percent of all persons in custody, despite 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.040 comprising just under four percent of the population. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.040 Now, this report. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.040 Suggests to me the comparatively high rates of Indigenous incarceration 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.880 are driving this left wing agenda to loosen bail laws. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.280 So it's you at home, good law. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.560 Abiding citizens that could be exposed to criminal activity and 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.000 out of control youths simply to reduce the gap in 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:33.080 incarceration rates between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians. Now, don't 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.840 get me wrong, we need to work towards closing the gap, 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.720 but that should not come at the expense of basic safety. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.280 Why should everyone have to suffer for it. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.720 Bail is a privilege, not a right, and quite frankly, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.280 I don't care if you're black, White, or Aboriginal. You 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.280 commit a crime, you deserve to be punished, You deserve 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.720 to learn your lesson. This is a youth crime crisis 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.960 that we're seeing play out already across the country. So 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.560 what example would be set if these kids knew that 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.640 they can and we'll get away with anything, and let's 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:03.600 not kid ourselves. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:04.640 It's already happening. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.240 Look at Victoria just into Allen's toughest bail laws in 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.280 the country have been reminiscent of a marshmallow, and tough 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.120 bail laws may as well be rendered useless. They only 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.120 work if the justice system obliges. According to the agenda 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.080 for a meeting of Attorneys General in Brisbane today, Michelle 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.880 Roland wants her state and territory counterparts to publish this 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.320 report with a caveat. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.000 Allowing them to not endorse it. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.520 But several states reportedly want it buried, and if it's 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.280 made public, are expected to distance themselves from it. Queensland's 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.920 Attorney generals certainly made that known this morning. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.600 Queensland will not be forced into backing down on our 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.760 tough laws by the federal government. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:48.520 No way. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:54.000 If the Albanezy government think that they can push Queensland 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.040 into ordering down our laws, absolutely not. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.360 And in a shock to no one, Victoria won't oppose 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:00.679 the release of the report, but. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.719 Is unlikely to support all of. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.080 The recommendations, though it's unclear whether that state will agree 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.160 to re establish the working group to undertake further work 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.560 as is recommended. Now look Premier just Into Allen certainly 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.400 doesn't need any more encouragement for her weight and see 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.560 youth crime approach. But this report is more proof that 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:24.000 labor is totally and utterly disconnected from community expectations. Nobody 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.920 voted for race based politics. In fact, sixty percent of 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:35.840 us said no to it. Well, the BBC over in 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.880 the UK has done it again with its dodgy and 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.959 deliberate editing of Donald Trump's January sixth speech. It's now 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.760 been revealed a second show also doctor footage of the 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.440 Capitol Hill speech and even ignored concerns that were raised 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:51.359 about it. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.040 Its Newsnight program. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.720 Spliced footage of the speech, which aired in twenty twenty two, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.760 making it appear as though the President was encouraging his 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:00.960 orders to riot. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:01.920 Have a look at this. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:03.880 We're going to. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:09.640 Cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:10.160 we fight. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.800 We fight like hell. We're going to. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:18.960 Cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.600 We're probably not going to be cheering so much for 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:22.840 some of them. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:28.720 Two totally different clips, insinuating two very different meanings. In fact, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.720 the second part of that clip on BBC Newsnight was 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.120 delivered over fifty minutes after the first part. So, as 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.920 I said, it's done it again, and you will call 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.040 this tricky edit on its Panorama program that this week 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.200 forced two of its executives to resign. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.880 We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.640 be there with. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.160 You, and we fight. We fight like hell. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:59.400 We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.920 going to cheer. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.560 You're on our. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.839 Brave senators and congressmen and women. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.240 Now, the BBC has today apologized. It's chair Samir Shah, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.200 sent a personal letter to the White House, but claims 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.600 there is no basis for a defamation suit. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:16.680 Have they watched the footage? 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.240 The President has threatened to sue the pants off them, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.160 and why wouldn't he because there's a clear pattern here. Now, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.040 this is happening on the other side of the world, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.400 but back home, the ABC is not immune. The public 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:33.720 broadcaster is just as institutionally biased, entrenched in ideology that 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.280 only serves for people who seem to think that the 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.920 majority of us are either stupid or racist. And my 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.640 colleague Chris Kenny revealed this week that Four Corners did 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.120 the same thing. It's managing director, Hugh Mark said, comparing 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.240 the BBC's Panorama to the ABC's Four Corners program is 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.240 opportunistic and false, claiming it to. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.800 Be powerful journalism of the highest standard. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.000 I mean, when was the last time you saw the 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.800 public broadcaster here in Australia make a mistake that unfairly 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.720 boosted a conservative politician. It just doesn't happen, and the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.680 ABC should be worried about what Trump might do. And 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.320 after the BBC's second indiscretion, a spokesperson for President Trump's 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.960 legal team said, quote, the BBC defamed President Trump by 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:22.040 intentionally and deceitfully editing its documentary in order to try 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.800 and interfere in the presidential election. President Trump will continue 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.680 to hold accountable those who traffic in lies, deception and 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.280 fake news. And it's not like Trump doesn't already have 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:34.400 his eye on the ABC. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.760 Bet he appropriate President Trump that a president in offers 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.520 should be engaged in so. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:42.760 Much business activity. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.560 Well, I'm really not. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.200 My kids are running the business and you know what 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.000 the activity. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.240 Where are you from, I'm from the Australian Broadcasting Operation 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:50.840 and Paul. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.720 Corn and provoking the Australias you're hurting Australia rate. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.080 In my opinion, you are hurting Australia very much right now. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.400 Yeah, Now, with two dodgy edits on the BBC, I 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:10.120 think we can safely say Donald Trump is watching. Let's 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.040 go straight to liberal MP Garth Hamilton. Now, Garth, good 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.000 to see you, Thanks so much for joining me. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.280 Obviously net zero huge week. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.680 Was this just a compromise to keep everyone in the 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.680 party happy because you're dumping net zero twenty fifty but 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.440 you're staying in the Paris Agreement? 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:25.680 How does that make sense? 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.480 Well, Denika, I'm happy to report I didn't make much 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.160 for a compromise. I've got everything I wanted, which was 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.920 a full and complete dumping of net zero and that 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.600 was the target for me. Look, the thing with Paris 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.320 it doesn't have any implication on domestic policies. Whilst it 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.040 might not be my favorite thing in the world, it 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.400 can't control what's happening within Australia, so I don't. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:47.560 Share those concerns. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.040 We held the Paris Agreement for five years before we 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.760 signed up to net zero, we would just fine then. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:54.800 I'm sure we'll be just fine. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.400 On the other side too, Are the Moderate's going to 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.720 be a hindrance to this policy moving forward? 0:15:59.800 --> 0:15:59.840 Me? 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.880 Some have even claimed today that they don't know whether 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.440 they can sell this compromised policy. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.200 Come sure, they'll find a way, and I'm sure we'll 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.000 join together as a team. Now we've got through this 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.040 very difficult conversation and found the right answer. On the 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.760 other side, I would point out to the moderates, for 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.000 four years I was in that compromised position. I was 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.840 against net zero whilst the party's position was for it, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.480 and I managed to prosecute that and hold my convictions. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.720 And I'd say to anyone who wants to continue their 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.000 convictions of being pro net zero, there's a great place 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.400 for that, and that's on the back bench where you 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:31.480 get to express your views. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:32.040 Yeah. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.240 Look, I think that's an absolutely fair point. If you're 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.080 not happy, go to the back bench. Absolutely perfect. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.480 Look, let's talk about the sell. How are you going 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.160 to sell this energy policy? Now? 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 How do you, in particular win over the inner city 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.760 till seats and younger voters gen Z and millennials. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:49.960 How do you go about this? 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.160 Look, I don't think this is something that we should 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.000 shy away from it all and want to point out 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.640 we haven't tried it before, we haven't actually prosecuted this 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.520 case before. I think we can do it very easily 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.400 just by simply talking to the economics, which is Labour's 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.240 soft point. I mean, we've got a government that's been 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.960 telling us for ages that the more renewable energy will 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.320 lower our energy bills and it hasn't been. And the 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.920 proof is in front of every single Australian every time 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.200 they get their electricity bill. We know that they're wrong 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.359 on this issue. We simply need to prosecute it. And 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.919 the best part is other people have been trying to 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.400 prosecute this with us. We saw that report from Princeton University, Queensland, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.200 University of Melbourne that showed the figure was around nine 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.240 to seven trillion dollars to get to our targets. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:34.720 You break that down. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.080 On a monthly basis, it's twenty billion dollars a month. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.800 You know how you sell that in till seats, that's hospitals, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.000 that's schools, that's road upgrades, that's police stations, all the 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.960 things that we need and we should be building to 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.840 make Australia great, the things, quite frankly, that we've been 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.399 leaving behind and should now become our priorities. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.280 Look, I agree to you very great. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.800 I think it's about going into those till seats and 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.400 explaining that decision and pushing it forward over the next 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:59.800 few years between now and an election. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.720 Is Susan Lee the leader who can. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.159 Defend the attacks from the left, turn this around and 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.040 get it back on track. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.800 Look, I very much hope she is, and she has 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.679 my support. But I think the bigger thing is that 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.080 we need a full team and our best team on 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.600 the court prosecuting this case. This is something that's going 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.520 to take everyone in every seat going forward and arguing 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.679 that there is an economic consideration with net zero that 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.280 we must take into consideration and pushing that case. That's 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.080 going to be every single MP and eventually every single 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.199 candidate that we put into the field being willing to 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.960 fullheartedly say, look, there is a better way. There is 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.080 a better way, and it's by considering the cost to 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.120 Australians to making sure that we're still competitive, to making 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.080 sure that we can still have industry stay in Australia. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.680 These are things we need to prosecute. I believe we can. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.040 So what's the vision we're just playing on our screen 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.960 now of a bunch of Conservatives. You're at the back, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.400 you were standing there, could see you very clearly there, Gar. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.359 What was with that vision? Then? What message were you 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.480 trying to send? Was there a message to Susan Lee. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.399 I think everyone's tried to take something more out of 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.240 it than what it was. It was just a group 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.000 of like minded people getting together beforehand and enjoying the 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.880 opportunity to go and express their views on net zero, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.760 which is something that was denied us back in twenty 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.639 twenty one when the previous Morrison government brought forward our 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.800 position on net zero without a debate. So I think 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.520 there's just a lot of people who were very excited 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.240 about finally being able to make a contribution in the 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.320 party room on a debate on net zero, and we 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.000 enjoyed each other's company. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.040 That's about it, right. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.600 So this was not an image for Susan Lee of 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:41.520 lookout the Conservatives are. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.240 In goodness me No, No, this was a group of 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.480 like minded people, Birds of a feather flocking together. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:49.400 I like that analogy. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.560 And so you backed Susan Lee in Now she's a 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.119 leader that's going to take the party to the election. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.240 Well, look she has my support and we have to 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:58.119 get on with this job. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:19:59.159 Okay. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.159 Well, I want to play some audio of Chris Bowen today. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.200 He was asked should Australians believe labor to bring down 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:06.880 power prices? 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:07.399 Have a listen. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.520 I think Australians had their say in May. You know, 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.000 mister Dutton, I wish him well, said he wanted to 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.840 referend him on climate and energy. We were okay with that. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.080 That happened in May. Australian people told us to get 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:21.880 on with the job. That's what we're doing. I don't 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.720 think the coalition got the memo from the Australian people 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:24.240