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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's an interesting one as well, that you

430
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: can have all of those thoughts and tapping into the

431
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: imposter syndrome. You can have nine people say something really

432
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: lovely about you, and then number ten comes along and

433
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: says something really and you go, number ten's right because

434
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: I am awful, I am incapable, I am shit, I

435
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing, and that number ten is correct,

436
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: and you just forget any of the good because that, yeah,

437
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: the doubt creeps in.

438
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: That is so fucking true. I told a story. I've

439
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: told this story, but I did. A friend of mine, Rosa,

440
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: owns a gym. Shout out to Rosa or anyone who

441
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: goes to Rosa's gym in Riots called the boat House.

442
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: It's one of the best privately owned gym's regional gyms.

443
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Is it regional, right, I don't know, but anyway, great

444
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: And every year I go down and I do a

445
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: talk for Rosa. I love job just because she's great,

446
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: and not this year, but I think last year, Mate,

447
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: of the last one or two talks I did, there

448
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: was someone in the group who, as I was doing

449
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: the presentation, Kelp. It was about I don't know eighty people,

450
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: so not small, not huge, just a good group of people.

451
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: And there was a dude there who clearly fucking hated me,

452
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: and in my mind, right I'm looking at him, I'm

453
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: like this guy, it's like it's always I don't know why,

454
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: but not always, but mostly it's going to be seventy

455
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: or eighty percent women in my gigs. We won't even

456
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: unpack why that is. And no, it's not because of

457
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: fucking my attractiveness, so don't be a smart ass everyone.

458
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: I think it's because people buy into women buy in

459
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: more to personal growth stuff than men generally. But anyway,

460
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: so he's looking at me, and he's not smiling, he's

461
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: not enjoying it, and he's sitting next to I imagine

462
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: his wife, and I'm thinking that, poor motherfucker. His wife

463
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: dragged him along. He could be home watching the footy.

464
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: He does not want to be here, and I felt

465
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: bad for him, and then I felt bad for me

466
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: because clearly he didn't like So seventy nine people are

467
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: enjoying it. One blood has hate me. Where do you reckon?

468
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: All My attention and focus was.

469
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, mister footy of course, right.

470
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: So I've just and I'm I'm almost and so instead

471
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: of I don't think I was shit, but I certainly

472
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: wasn't my best because I got distracted and whatever. Anyway,

473
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I finished, I did an okay job. Few people like thanks,

474
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: that was great. I'm like cool, see you. Anyway, mister

475
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Footy fucking starts walking up towards me to talk and

476
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah god, I'm not even being paid, Like

477
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: what is going on? I don't need this. I haven't

478
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: had dinner, you know, I'm feeling sorry for himself. And

479
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: he comes out and reaches out up, reaches out his

480
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: hand and shakes my hand. He goes, that was amazing,

481
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I'm like, fuck off, what

482
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: guess what?

483
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: He was?

484
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: Vision impaired?

485
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: Wow?

486
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: So the dude couldn't see me. And I'm I'm telling

487
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: myself a completely bullshit story, right. I literally not only

488
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: was there not a problem, I created a problem for

489
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: myself the mid circumstance.

490
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Wow. And isn't it you know That's that's what we do, right,

491
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Like we create most of the problems. And I think

492
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: it was one of your episodes where you were talking

493
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Speaker 2: about how you know a certain percentage, which I think

494
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: was quite high, Like, what is it ninety percent of

495
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: what we worry about never happens, and yet we spend

496
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: all of this time with it just spinning the wheels

497
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: of doubt.

498
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's ninety one percent never happens of

499
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: the shit that we spend a lot of time, effort, energy,

500
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: focus on, and then nine percent does. But something like

501
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time when those things do happen,

502
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: it's not nearly as bad as we imagined.

503
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

504
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, ah, so here's what I think to do. Right,

505
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: We're going good, I think. So we've done three questions.

506
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Let's do two more yep, and then we'll call that everyone.

507
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: We're having a team meeting as we're going Melissa, leave

508
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: all this in, Melissa, don't edit any of this out.

509
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: This is the inner workings of the you project. Call

510
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: and I are having an on the run meeting. So

511
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: we'll do two more, then we'll call it a day,

512
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: and then we'll crank it up and do another one.

513
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: So next question, please, missus interviewer.

514
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: Next question is what is the biggest lesson you have

515
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: learned in the past ten years.

516
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah I did. When I looked at that,

517
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: you're go on.

518
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Go on, Well, I captured at that, because there have

519
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: been many episodes where you've already spoken about lessons learned

520
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: over the course of your life. But I thought, let's

521
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: reduce it a bit.

522
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: So I actually, like, truthfully, nothing particularly like there's not

523
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: a standout thing. There's a million things, but I thought

524
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: i'd say I'd share two things that have been absolutely

525
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: been lessons that have been underlined, reinforced and put in

526
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: bold letters in my brain over the last ten years

527
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: that for me matter. And I think also what I'm

528
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: about to share is broadly relevant. So you know, if

529
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: I had some revelations that didn't affect anyone else or

530
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't relevant, you know, but these are really relevant

531
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: for me and I think most other people, and neither

532
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: of them are going to surprise you. So Number one

533
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: is that, like more than ever, I now understand, especially

534
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: as I'm now old as fuck, I understand that while

535
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: chronological aging that is the calendar, everyone is a constant

536
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: until we die, biological aging is a variable that we

537
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: can to a large extent control, slash manipulate, slash influence,

538
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: and so meaning that sixty one year old Craig Anthony

539
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Harper doesn't need to not because he's better or special

540
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: or gifted, because I'm fucking not. We've identified that I

541
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: don't need to walk around in a typical sixty one

542
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: year old body. In other words, I can have the

543
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: health and fitness and performance and strength and physiology of

544
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: somebody who is the equivalent of or someone who's forty

545
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: years old at forty one or forty five or fifty,

546
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: so I can have the equivalent physiology, in other words,

547
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: of somebody much younger. Now, that is I think, and

548
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, and I've really I mean, I've

549
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: never been more I was going to say disciplined, but

550
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm not disciplined. Like I'm not undisciplined either, but I've

551
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: never been more particular about what I do to my body,

552
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm like, I used to give myself

553
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot more latitude than I do now, just because

554
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: I realize with my six out of ten genetics and

555
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: my sixty one years on the planet and my multitude

556
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: of fucking injuries that I've had through training like a moron,

557
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: I need to optimize my behaviors, my choices, my habits,

558
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: my lifestyle, my actions in order to work well for

559
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: a long time. And so that's really been reinforced. Is

560
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: that that you know, obviously, aging is a constant, but

561
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: how I age is a variable. So that's number one,

562
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: and then you can comment on both of these when

563
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm finished, if you like. And number two is just

564
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: very simply that my brain slash mind, my cognitive system,

565
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: let's call it, that needs to be trained, like I

566
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: need to constantly and consciously and intentionally keep my brain

567
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: young by doing things that I don't need to do

568
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: but I choose to do just for that purpose. So

569
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: if you think that your brain is just gonna magically

570
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: stay young, functional, healthy, and somewhere near optimum cognition, just

571
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: because you're wrong, you're wrong. It ain't gonna. So if

572
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: you're anywhere in the ballpark of forty five onwards, and

573
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: again it's not a personal prescription, it's just a recommendation,

574
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: and you're not doing something to keep your mind work well,

575
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: your brain working well, mental acuity, sharpness, memory, cognitive function, creativity,

576
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: all of that, then I would highly recommend that you do.

577
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: And for me, obviously a big part of that right

578
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: now is doing my PhD. So that's like training and

579
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: taking my brain to the gym every day for a

580
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: hard session.

581
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: Great. The most fascinating thing about that, though, is that

582
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not saying this to be a

583
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: cheeky ship, but you admitted to being old as fuck,

584
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: and it's now that you have have come to the

585
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: conclusion on these things. So the fact that you know

586
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: that you're you can function in a body that is

587
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: much younger than your biological age, and that you need

588
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: to keep training your brain in order to keep it

589
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: sharp and young and on point, it sounds like all

590
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: of those learnings have come with experience and age. So

591
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of ironic, isn't it.

592
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think there's a real difference

593
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: between knowing something theoretically and having it reinforced experientially. Hell yep,

594
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, oh, we know, you know, I

595
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: know I shouldn't eat you know, too much junk food,

596
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: and I know, I know, I know data da And

597
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: then you get diabetes and then you're like, oh, fuck,

598
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't eat too much junk food. And now I've

599
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: got diabetes. Now I can't do certain things, and now

600
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm you know, so there's a difference between having a

601
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: theoretical understanding of something and knowing something. See for me,

602
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: applied knowledge that's intelligence. Knowledge is just having something in

603
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: your fucking cognitive hard drive. It's like, you know, so

604
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: many people have a gym membership and a gym program

605
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: and a reason to go to the gym, but they

606
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: don't go to the gym right a lot like way

607
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: more than fifty sixty seventy percent of current members either

608
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: rarely go or don't go. I'm not saying it's all

609
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: about gyms, but I'm just saying, you know, we can

610
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: simultaneously have the knowledge, have the understanding, have the reason,

611
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: and still not do the thing that we know is

612
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: going to be good for our body and our health

613
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: and our longevity and our health span and our cognitive

614
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: function and our heart and our lungs and our the

615
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: list goes on. And no, it's not about being a

616
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: fucking fitness freak or an exercise junkie or a gym junkie.

617
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: It's about you've only got one body you can't get

618
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: a fuck another one you can't.

619
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Speaker 2: It's been an experience for me that so I mentioned

620
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: my grandmother earlier. She's now ninety five. When she was

621
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: forty seven, she had a heart attack and was told

622
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: that that's it. You know, you know Corby Family in

623
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: You're not going to make it through the night. We'll

624
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: do what we can, but you won't make it through

625
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: the night. So now at ninety five, she says, it's

626
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: been a very long night, and what, oh.

627
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: You've got to do a podcast called It's been a

628
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: very long night. Yeah. In fact, she should write a

629
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: book and you should write it with her. Listen to

630
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: me bussing you around. Well, I love that. I love

631
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: that sentence.

632
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Yep. So we did create a podcast. But what she

633
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: did was she changed her entire diet. She opened a

634
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: health food store before they were even trendy. And she

635
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: then read in it would have been her late forties

636
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: early fifties that doing a crossword every day was great

637
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: for your cognitive function and would help ward off dementia.

638
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: And at ninety five she's still doing a crossword. She

639
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: uses a magnifier now because her eyes are quite bad.

640
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: But she has been for me that example of she

641
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: knew what she had to do in order to have

642
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: that body and that brain that would carry her through

643
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Speaker 2: in the best possible way, and she did the work

644
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Speaker 2: and she's still here. Yeah.

645
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: God bless her, God bless her. Little sucks. Yeah, she

646
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: makes Mary look like a teenager.

647
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: She does.

648
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary's just a sprightly eighty five. All right, let's

649
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: do one more question and then we'll pull the pin

650
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: and then reset.

651
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Speaker 2: All right, so number five, what has been the most

652
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: challenging part of your PhD?

653
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Speaker 1: Thinking about this before, and it's like, honestly, I guess

654
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: for me, not a single thing, a bunch of things.

655
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Speaker 1: But I firstly, I was clueless, Like I did not

656
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: know what I was getting into. I didn't understand what

657
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: a PhD was, which is not a good starting point.

658
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: I didn't understand, like and really I didn't understand. Oh you,

659
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of did. But you know, like

660
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: people think when you do a PhD, you go to

661
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: UNI and you know there are lectures and chutes and

662
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: there you know there's there's none of it. Well in mind,

663
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: there's none of that. It's all research based. So you

664
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: do your own research. So you come up with an idea,

665
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: you come up with an area that you want to research.

666
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: You've got to fill a hole in the science. You

667
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: got to look at something that hasn't been looked at

668
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: or something that hasn't been looked at in the way

669
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: that you're going to look at it. And then you're

670
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: trying to solve a problem, right, or you're trying to

671
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: bring some new information. And so you you design your

672
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: research and then you run your own research. You get

673
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: a venue, you get participants, you get ethical approval through

674
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: the university, which is not an easy feat because you

675
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: can't put anyone at any kind of risk at all.

676
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: And then you do all of that, then you get

677
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: all of this data, and then you've got to try

678
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: and figure out what the fucking data means because it's

679
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: all numbers and shit, right, And then then you know,

680
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: and then you try to sift through that, make sense

681
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: of it, interpret the data, find patterns, fine holes, find

682
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: things that no one else has found. Hopefully, I mean

683
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: it's much more than this, of course, But then you've

684
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: got to write, you know, for mine, anyway, three or

685
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: four academic papers that get published by academic journals. So

686
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: all of that. It was just like for me, it

687
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: was literally like it was like it's like going to

688
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: somewhere like Russia, just wh is Russia? Because I have

689
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: no clue. Right, I was in Russia, and I know

690
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm not dumb, and I know they're not dumb, but

691
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: I can't speak their language. I don't understand the culture.

692
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand how to go and buy a fucking

693
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: bottle of milk or a cart in the milk. I

694
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: don't understand do they have coffee like we have their

695
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: fucking cafes like we is there? How does it work?

696
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: Do I? You know, I don't understand the government. I

697
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: don't understand the culture. I don't understand the money. I

698
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: can't speak the language. I don't know. You know, it's

699
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: like that. It's like you've just gone to Russia and

700
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even fucking learn one word of Russian before

701
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: I start, right, I yeah, so I nobody threw me

702
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: in the deep end, and nobody. In fact, where I'm

703
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: studying is called Brain Park, which is the Neuroscience Neuropsychology

704
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Lab of Monash, And they're fucking amazing. They're so good

705
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I've said this before, Like day

706
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: one it was like bring your granddad to work day,

707
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in this room with about eight other

708
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: PhD students who it could be my kid or my

709
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: kid's kid, right, and yeah, it was just like it

710
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: was a very steep learning curve. I guess specifically it

711
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: was I started full time two years full time and

712
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: now in part time, so that helped. But the first

713
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: two years it was like I was doing I had

714
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: two careers, one as a researcher, full time researcher, and

715
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: then the other as you know, all the shit other

716
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: shit I do. And I guess specifically, just yeah, learning

717
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: how PhD world works, learning understanding academic language, writing academically, Like, yeah,

718
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I have lots of thoughts that I'll share when I

719
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: finish my PhD. But I do think, and I'm happy

720
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: to say this, I do think that that academic writing

721
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: is unnecessarily complicated. It's it's and but I that's if

722
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: you read some of the stuff that I'm you know,

723
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: putting out now, you'd go, what the fuck is this?

724
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: I go, this is what needs to be written the

725
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: way it needs to be written. I understand that. And

726
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm just a shitkicker. I'm not going to change the system,

727
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: neither do I want to. But but it's been it's been.

728
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's been fun, but it's

729
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: been good for me. It's been good for me. A

730
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of things that aren't fun are good for you.

731
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: And it's definitely you know. It's taught me a lot

732
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: about many things, including myself, which is good. So Kel,

733
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: let's pull the pin. Sure, we're going to say goodbye.

734
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Speaker 1: Kel and I are going to continue on in the

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Speaker 1: next few minutes with installment too, but for now, everyone, Kel,

736
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Speaker 1: thanks for being on the you project, Thanks for putting

737
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: up your hand, Thanks for those five great questions. I'll

738
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: see it the water cooler at.

739
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Speaker 2: The gym, Absolutely you will.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kel. Thanks everyone,