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Speaker 1: The and Whipper podcast.

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Speaker 2: He's fitty remember with you on OVA for your Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what my wife is addicted to this

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Speaker 2: television show Under Investigation with Liz Hayes. It's time to

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Speaker 2: get serious well, and usually we're watching it. I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't admit this to Liz, but we're in bed

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Speaker 2: and we sit down at night and it's time for

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Speaker 2: me to go to bed because I've got to get

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Speaker 2: up early, and then all of a sudden we are

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Speaker 2: getting right in the middle of an investigation with Liz Hayes.

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Speaker 2: It's on tonight nine pm on Channel nine. She joins us.

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Speaker 3: Now what happens then?

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Speaker 1: So your wife's wanting to watch and then you're wanting

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Speaker 1: to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Then you're in the middle of an investigation.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard because I have to say the lights

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Speaker 2: are out, it's done. And Gary Jubilan is usually going

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Speaker 2: into an investigation and in going full on.

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Speaker 4: Where you should never investigate the crime in Fitsy's bedroom.

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Speaker 5: Liz.

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Speaker 4: What I think is interesting too, and we were talking

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Speaker 4: about this the other day on the show, is just

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Speaker 4: the fascination with crime, whether it's a podcast or it's

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Speaker 4: a TV show or it's an investigation like you guys hold.

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Speaker 4: But it's about not only wanting to understand the psyche

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Speaker 4: in the headspace of murderer. It's also that people watch

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Speaker 4: it looking for clues of things that may exist in

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Speaker 4: their life to go keep an eye on that guy,

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Speaker 4: keep an eye nder Matt Deagrut.

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Speaker 5: That laugh wasn't sincere. So do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I do know what We're more obsessed with it. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: people are.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was out to dinner the other night

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Speaker 1: and somebody fell asleep, to my horror in one of

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Speaker 1: my shows, and she said, did the blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: She said, I fell asleep, very important, And I had

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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 3: To her, probably put her out of her misery. But

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Speaker 3: you know, people do try to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course solving. Do you know, Liz, we were

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Speaker 5: just having a chat and Liza Fair as well.

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Speaker 2: Liz heard our Ruby Rose chat that we had yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and we're fascinating because interviewing techniques and style is like,

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Speaker 2: I'm really fascinated that you only get a certain amount

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Speaker 2: of time with a person and you've got to build

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Speaker 2: up their trust before you extract information out of this person,

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Speaker 2: which is really really hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, it's a bit of body language, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, it is in your scenario. You're live, and

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Speaker 1: that's what happened when I was on the Today Show

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Speaker 1: as well. And you've got about three or four minutes

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Speaker 1: and how am I going by the.

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Speaker 5: We You're doing really well, Liz doing really well. Through

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Speaker 5: the next rail you've got.

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Speaker 1: You've got to get to the salient point. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out when can I ask that question?

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Speaker 1: You know that she doesn't want to ask, yes.

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Speaker 3: But you you will read her.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you did. Yep.

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Speaker 2: We waited and we spoke about other things first and

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Speaker 2: then we asked at the end.

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Speaker 5: And I think she handled it quite well.

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Speaker 3: But she knew it was coming.

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Speaker 1: You can't arrive in Australia and do media rounds and

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Speaker 1: not expect that to be.

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Speaker 2: This is for anyone who's thinking, this is her relationship

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Speaker 2: that she had with I think just from the Veronicas

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Speaker 2: and she's written that she's in her book there's an

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Speaker 2: explosive she will tell the truth. So we needed to

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Speaker 2: get to that point. But we were really nervous about

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Speaker 2: asking because we didn't want the interview, you know, we

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Speaker 2: didn't want it to ruin the interview. And you've done

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Speaker 2: this plenty of times on sixty minutes, where you must well,

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Speaker 2: sixty minutes is pre recorded, so you could talk to

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Speaker 2: a person for a certain amount of time before you

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Speaker 1: Lisz, the can yes, No, well it's sixteen minutes, to

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Speaker 1: be honest. If anitity goes for more than an hour,

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Speaker 1: we're probably not getting anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, wow, how and you just would that's a

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Speaker 2: So you'd have roller coaster rides in interviews where you go,

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Speaker 2: getting nothing out of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you pick and choose your moments. You can

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Speaker 1: see now it's not right, but now it might be right.

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Speaker 1: You can feel it, you can see it, but you

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Speaker 1: have to ask it ultimately, you have to.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing I loved watching David Letterman talk to

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Speaker 4: jay Z. He wanted to bring up the fact that

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Speaker 4: obviously he cheated on Beyonce. So you're thinking, there, as

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Speaker 3: To that question because you want to hear it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I want to hear it. I want to know

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Speaker 4: what he has to say, because he hasn't really spoken

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Speaker 4: about that. So David let Himan shares a story about

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Speaker 4: his behavior with his wife and how he did the

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Speaker 4: wrong thing, and then to Jason and says, so can

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Speaker 4: you relate to that?

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Speaker 3: And did he say you?

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Speaker 4: He said yes, I can, And here's what I said. No,

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Speaker 4: But he turned it into which I thought was clever.

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Speaker 4: Just two guys sharing their experience about something they had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's clever.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, you're constantly looking at different angles about how to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, while I was listening to you what I was

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Speaker 1: agonizing for you. I'm listening to the interview and I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, any minute now.

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Speaker 2: You are here for the headline off today you're up

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Speaker 2: against Maddie Dgrut. This is where I give you a

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Speaker 2: topical story and you need to give as your best headline. Liz,

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Speaker 2: you absolutely annihilated Maddie group last time. Are you ready

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Speaker 2: to go again?

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Speaker 3: Didn't? I didn't?

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Speaker 5: You did?

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Speaker 1: Really? Well?

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Speaker 5: That's all we've got you back.

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Speaker 2: Come on, we're going to be doing it next headline off.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. Maddie de Group versus Liz. We've got

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Speaker 2: the magnificent Liz Haes and you can catch it tonight

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Speaker 2: under Investigation with Li Hayes nine.

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Speaker 5: Pm on Channel nine. But she's here for the headline.

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Speaker 5: Off well to read out headline Sometimes what's coming up?

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Speaker 5: I go ahead to the kitchen.

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Speaker 6: Actually a fine well metaphorically, head lines is so unfair.

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Speaker 7: Liz Hayes is one of the most respected, eloquent, graceful

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Speaker 7: people in Australian television hop notch and you have to.

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Speaker 5: Come here and do this with your day. I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 5: thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's been a ripper of a day. I've already been

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Speaker 3: put on for s Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You can't lose.

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Speaker 7: From here on it which hearing the song, she was like,

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Speaker 7: I really thought you were trying to.

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Speaker 5: All right, it's the lowest point of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, the lowest Unfortunately, we've got to

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Speaker 2: give you. This is a topical story Liz. But the

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Speaker 2: first one that we're going with this morning is mum

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Speaker 2: says that she doesn't use toilet paper because they have

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Speaker 2: a shared family cloth to save money. Come on, mate,

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Speaker 2: your best headline. Maddie de Greet you can go first.

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Speaker 7: Off, you go, come on in front of Liz Hayes.

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Speaker 7: This upsets my tummy. I thought this show was supposed

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Speaker 7: to be smart, funny, conversational headline.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it so bad? Liz? We need your headline.

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Speaker 1: Off you go, Sharing is caring, That's what I say

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Speaker 1: a lot. But don't you dare do that with my tablecloth?

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Speaker 2: Easy wonders delivery as well, wonder Liz Haze, Liz, you're

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Speaker 2: going first on this next one.

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Speaker 5: Here we go the next topical story.

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Speaker 2: This morning swanky cocktail bash turns in disaster at one

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Speaker 2: of Australia's top museums as a clumsy party goer falls

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Speaker 2: on an artist's priceless work.

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Speaker 5: Best headline Liz Hayes.

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Speaker 1: The artwork is a disaster, the broken pieces of many,

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Speaker 1: but it's still nothing compared to what Huey painted on

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Speaker 1: Fix's Telly.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to tell Liz?

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Speaker 3: What did happen?

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Speaker 4: Ties into the first.

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Speaker 2: Headline when he was about two years of age, Liz,

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Speaker 2: he decided to put up a bit of artwork on

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Speaker 2: the television out of his nappy.

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Speaker 5: Get that, yeah, I know. We got rid of the

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Speaker 5: television quick like on a blanket. Yeah, it was horrible.

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Speaker 7: Are welcome to go at the midpoint of this?

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Speaker 5: You deserve so much better from us. I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 7: An issue, for sure, and what a big hiss. But

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Speaker 7: let's be honest. Most art is over priced.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I'm going to give that, maddiegre the last one.

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Speaker 2: Aggressive Maddie back to you. You're going first year, last story.

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Speaker 2: Woman accidentally eats one hundred thousand dollars heart shaped chip.

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Speaker 5: This was a competition.

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Speaker 2: It was one hundred thousand dollars if you find a

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Speaker 2: heart shaped chip. She found it, but then she ate

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Speaker 2: at best headline.

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Speaker 7: Eating a chip worth that much, you may feel your

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Speaker 7: life's over unless you live in Rose Bay and drive

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Speaker 7: a range Robe's.

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Speaker 4: Just a strange tie into a chip that's leading at

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Speaker 4: the moment, we haven't heard from Lee's Best headline.

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Speaker 1: Well, eating a hundred thousand dollar chip, it doesn't get

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Speaker 1: much bolder. That's almost as expensive as.

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Speaker 3: A chip on whippers. Sure, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: So two whipper jokes for the last one. Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: I'll be checking in this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Asking well it's rigged.

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what good things coming through so we'll

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Speaker 2: have to get you back again for headline off Liz.

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Speaker 3: Look at so clearly?

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Speaker 5: Else have you done? Wrap up of the week on

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Speaker 5: the show? Can you rap?

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Speaker 1: Liz?

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Speaker 3: I can't know.

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Speaker 5: We do love you, Liz. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 5: coming and we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the invitation, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Lise, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to The Fitz and Whipper Podcast.