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Speaker 1: Good Welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Useful tools and useful conversations to help you make today

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Speaker 1: better than yesterday. Every episode since twenty thirteen min ams

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Speaker 1: Losha Ginsberg, boy a boy Am I glad you're here?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being a part of it. I had a question,

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Speaker 1: when was the last.

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Speaker 2: Time you went to a museum If you've got kids,

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Speaker 2: probably not too long ago. If you're a nerd, you

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Speaker 2: might have gone to a very specific one. I am

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Speaker 2: a little while ago now.

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Speaker 1: I went to the Helmet Newton Museum in Berlin. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the photographer, and it was extraordinary. There was cameras, there

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Speaker 1: was this whole apartment set up. There was a wall

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Speaker 1: of faxes between him and and a winter handwritten facts

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Speaker 1: between the two of them lining up cover shoots for

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Speaker 1: Vogue magazine, which you or I would be familiar with

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Speaker 1: if we saw them. But just like, hell me, darling,

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Speaker 1: are you going to go to San Maritz Yes, Ada,

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Speaker 1: of course, thank you for the jacket. I hadn't resized

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Speaker 1: and it was magnificent, unbelievable. Of course he didn't have

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Speaker 1: the n accent. He was Australia, never one. But in

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Speaker 1: talking with my guest today, like the budding archaeologists that

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Speaker 1: she and I are, we actually discover that museums might

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Speaker 1: actually might be some of the most important places that

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Speaker 1: we have to understand not just the past, but also ourselves.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite people is on the podcast Today.

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Speaker 1: Alex Lee has a new quiz show on the ABC.

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Speaker 1: It's called Tonight at the Museum. She is no stranger

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Speaker 1: to television or comedy or improv. Alex has built a

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Speaker 1: career out of asking sharp questions, finding the funny and

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Speaker 1: the uncomfortable bits, telling unique stories. She's been on Story

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Speaker 1: Club a few times. You'll hear how we work together

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Speaker 1: in this episode. But she is just one of our

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Speaker 1: country's great, great comedic talents. She's bringing science, history, and

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Speaker 1: culture all together for this new ABC comedy quiz show.

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Speaker 1: I've watched the first episode. It's really fun. It's a

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Speaker 1: really fun show. And in this Conversations Today, we talk

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Speaker 1: about the thrill of deadlines and how they can make

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Speaker 1: you better, either if that's in live television or in

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Speaker 1: a writers the power of taking risks creatively and what

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Speaker 1: they can do for you. It's a brilliant conversation, hilarious conversation,

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Speaker 1: even though I'm a part of it. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say hilarious. It's about creativity, about identity, and about the

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Speaker 1: stories that shape us. Enjoy alex Lee here, we are

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming as we drink coffee. It's an

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Speaker 1: absolute delight to have you on this show as you

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Speaker 1: being a host of a TV show, which you've done many, many,

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Speaker 1: many times, but to have you here in this capacity,

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Speaker 1: is this real for me?

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Speaker 3: Too?

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Speaker 4: Good an interview I can look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we work together. We have a lot in common.

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Speaker 1: We work together on the news show and TNN and

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Speaker 1: and N still trying to get that fuck her up.

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Speaker 1: But it was really fun doing political satire with you

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Speaker 1: and just having birds like an eyewitness view to how

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Speaker 1: a comedy writer like yourself can operate, how fast you work,

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Speaker 1: and the angles you're coming up with. But not only that.

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Speaker 1: When we were shooting a pilot, I love watching the

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Speaker 1: way you were handling the egos in the room. All right,

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Speaker 1: not yours of course, no. But as a presenter, I

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Speaker 1: am a protected species. People don't speak to a crew

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Speaker 1: of presenters generally as a collective. They talent I referred

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Speaker 1: to individually, and if they're ever rebuked to or given

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Speaker 1: critique or feedback. It's one on one. It's never in

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Speaker 1: a room. And so watching the way that in those

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Speaker 1: pitch meetings, the way that you were so wonderfully making

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Speaker 1: it just the best joke wins every time, without any

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Speaker 1: personal thing in It was just I learned a lot.

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Speaker 4: That's very nice. I love being in a writer's room.

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, it's it's the moment when

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Speaker 3: I realized that's what I wanted to do with my life.

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Speaker 3: Because I did a lot of comedy at UNI and

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Speaker 3: I loved it, as you know, if I could make

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Speaker 3: and then when I came and did the Roast Show

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Speaker 3: with Mark Humphrey's in twenty fourteen, and I sat in

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Speaker 1: It's really exciting. Yeah. I missed live stuff so much.

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Speaker 1: I missed that deadline stuff so much. Yeah, deadlines are

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Speaker 1: I have a deadline today to wrangle all the SD

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Speaker 3: But today, I'm sure is the last possible day that

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Speaker 3: you could do it. If your brain work.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah, but when you're working on those things, like,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that camera is going to go on

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Speaker 1: and Australia will be watching it at seven thirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have Whatever we figure out is going to have

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Speaker 1: And there's something wonderful that happens with everybody. Audio lights

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Speaker 1: are catering. Everyone just goes okay, clock is ticking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no fucking around. It's as my mum used to say,

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Speaker 1: when the baby's coming, the baby's coming. Figure it out exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You can't be precious about ideas, like if you've got

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Speaker 3: Just you can't get too attached to any particular idea,

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Speaker 3: That's fine, You'll come up with something else.

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Speaker 1: get that somewhat beaten out of me. Sobriety can do

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Speaker 1: a lot for your ax y. When did you start? Really,

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Speaker 1: I'm wrestling your ego? How are you? How are your

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Speaker 1: folks about this idea of like, no, no, no, I want

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: People are always going to eat terrible food, and they're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but my parents, Yeah, all three of the kids

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Speaker 4: I did whatever I do, and my.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there was very similar jobs by the way, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no sweeting. It's fine, it's I understand. Yes, yes, can

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Speaker 1: we get what about what to hear? Can we get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you told the most magnificent story about your brother

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Speaker 1: It's in one story. It's an embodiment of why I

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Speaker 3: The way, it's for context for everyone listening, like the

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Speaker 4: Be no more Lee's in the world.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he was given absolutely ridiculous preferential treatment his

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Speaker 1: What was what I loved about that story, and I

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Speaker 1: it described the system of preference that I did not

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Speaker 1: and so when you tell that story, it was like,

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Speaker 4: You've played Dungeons and Dragons. How did I don know this?

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Speaker 1: Alexley. I was a card carrying member of the Queensland

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Speaker 1: Role Player Society from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Who did you do? You remember what your character was?

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Speaker 4: I think it's very revealing.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the names. Yeah. Yeah, but I was

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Speaker 1: always a fan of a like to cleric. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: would always play Valkyrie. I would always play the female character.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. Well, I think it's I think

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Speaker 4: it's revealing.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's a fantasy element, but you also

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Speaker 3: to be and you want to you know, skin you

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Speaker 3: want to live in. So the first character I built

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Speaker 1: That is not the first time that said. It has

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Speaker 4: Not because we didn't want it.

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Speaker 3: It was literally all our friends and no, leave me alone.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. And so I wanted

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Speaker 3: And I really liked for someone who's never gone through

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Speaker 3: So it's a big mix of history, you know, science,

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Speaker 3: natural history, anything that is in a museum, and so

436
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 3: a huge broad range of subject areas. And I wanted

437
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: to be across everything because I wanted to be able

438
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: for conversation to be able to float. So if I've

439
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: shown you know, this amazing object and someone goes has

440
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: a question.

441
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: About, Oh, I wonder how that got there, I wanted.

442
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: To be able to answer it so we could keep

443
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 3: it talking, like at a you know, interesting dinner party

444
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: or something like that. And so they kept coming up

445
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: to me before the show going stop writing.

446
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, writing all these notes and

447
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: I was.

448
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm not going to I was like, I'm

449
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: writing now so I can not look at any of

450
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: this later. Just it's really just so I can feel

451
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: confident to throw it all away and just chat.

452
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: But I need to have it all in my mind because.

453
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Speaker 1: You're the I'm curious watching as well. I'm you know,

454
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: I have only seen one episode, but I'm curious as well, going, yeah,

455
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: that is an interesting microscope. I don't want to then,

456
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: because I can if I want to reach into my

457
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: phone and find out about that kind of microscope. I

458
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: don't want that. I want someone on set to go, oh,

459
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: it's a kind of d D. You have to be

460
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: able to fill in those gaps to keep it, to

461
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: keep it flowing using comedy. As you know, we were

462
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: working on a satirical news show because you've got to

463
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: laugh at things that are terrible and sometimes the best

464
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: way to change someone's mind, particularly if they're biased around

465
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, I say climate for example, if you

466
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: make a joke, it circumvents their bias and they laugh

467
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: before they realize oh oh yeah, yeah yeah. Solar panels

468
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: might be a good idea, you know, because they you know,

469
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: museums and you open with I think the opening line

470
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: is like museums are famously full of stuff. The British

471
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Speaker 1: stop so you get it right out there from the

472
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: start about how kind of odd it is that there's

473
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Speaker 1: these glass cabinets full of dead things that we would

474
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: stare at and they were collected by people, probably not maliciously,

475
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: because at the time it was no, this is really interesting.

476
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: This was in the nose of a person who lives

477
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Speaker 1: in Africa that's four feet tall. That fascinating.

478
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

479
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: Not I'm better than them and they are not as

480
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: intelligent as me. It's like, that's just really interesting.

481
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

482
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yet that's hard to grapple with In twenty twenty

483
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: six when you're creating the show. How much were you

484
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: able to use that, you know, comedy to get around

485
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: the stickier parts of some of the collecting that we've done.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's really I think it's

487
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: really interesting and I love, you know, getting into this

488
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: sort of like you said, like sticky sort of areas.

489
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: I think it's just good to have it out in

490
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: the open.

491
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 3: There's no point pretending that, you know, museums don't have

492
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: a history of you know, taking things that they shouldn't

493
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: have hanging on to them. And in fact, it's interesting

494
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: to actually have that conversation and say, well, what is

495
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: being done now and how have they changed? And the

496
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: fascinating thing for me was looking at the museums sort

497
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: of it's the second oldest museum in Australia. So it

498
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: almost becomes this self reflective thing where where you can

499
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: look at the things that they collected and the things

500
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: that they deemed important then, and that actually tells you

501
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 3: a lot about that that time, like what the museums

502
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: were interested in. And I think back then it was

503
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: like a museum is a place to we can't travel

504
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: the world. We're in Tasmania, but we can have things

505
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: donated to us and bring them so Australians can see

506
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: what the world was like, Yeah, the world, We've got

507
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: this mummy. Like but now today you're like, why is

508
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: there an Egyptian mummy under the stairs at the Tasmani

509
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: Museum and Art Gallery, Because today we think of museums

510
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: as place where places where we reflect ourselves and who

511
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: we are, and when tourists come here, they you know,

512
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: you go to a museum and see like, Okay, what's

513
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: Australia all about?

514
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh, it's this.

515
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: So it's completely changed in its purpose of what they do.

516
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: But it's important to be able to laugh at some

517
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Yeah, yeah you can. I think we're

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: hopefully pasted a lot of that stuff now. Of I'm

519
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: not going to go to the museum because they've got

520
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, human remains of a person from a part

521
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: of the world that given it back. Like I don't

522
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: know if that means like canceling the whole museum, like

523
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: there's in eighteen twenty it was fine. Yeah, And yeah,

524
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: having that object there to reflect on how far we've

525
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: come as a community is probably also of value.

526
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're learning about what the world was like

527
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: in eighteen twenty. I mean, I think this particular museum

528
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: they did a big apology. They have taken a lot

529
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: of things out of their collection that they have now

530
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: recognized that it's not appropriate for them to have, and

531
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Speaker 3: especially you know that with all the First Nations collection

532
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: they've I think they have a really beautiful job of working,

533
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, employing First Nations curators and really having the

534
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: community be a part of that. And I think that's

535
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: also important. But you know, it's also if we can't

536
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: laugh at it, then it's really hard to talk about it.

537
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

538
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: The first episode, I thank goodness, I was laughing because

539
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 1: I won't spoiler for anyone, but there's there's a moment

540
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: which talks about a an chestin absolute environmental tragedy, an

541
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: extinction which is just staggering, fucking staggering. I had no

542
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: idea that this creature existed. Truly, I had no idea

543
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: it existed. Thank goodness. I was laughing because to understand

544
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: that in only such a short amount of time, maybe

545
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred something years, this has happened,

546
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: and that this incredible creature, for all various reasons, doesn't

547
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: exist anymore. Oh, fuck, Himan's it terrible.

548
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of that.

549
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: And you see, especially in those colonial times, like even

550
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: looking at we're talking about the platypus, like they didn't

551
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: So first of all, they came to Tasmania. They imported,

552
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: as you know, Tasmanians, they imported salmon and trout from overseas.

553
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: They brought her who they filled the rivers with these eggs,

554
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: and then they were like, these creatures keep eating all

555
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: these delition salmon eggs, we keep dumping into their rivers.

556
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, of course they are, like you

557
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: put them there and so and then they the way

558
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: that they hunted platypus exactly the same thing.

559
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 4: They were like therese are a pest.

560
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: They're bloody everywhere, you know, nearly wipe them out to extinction.

561
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: Same story with whales.

562
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: They when you know, in the colonial times there were

563
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: so many whales in the Derwent River that people complained

564
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: about the noise they made at night. They said, I

565
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: can't sleep because of the whales.

566
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: The singing, the singing, the whales song.

567
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: Whales kept them awake at night. Now we know, you know,

568
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: and they did.

569
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: They did a really good job of wiping them out

570
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: to And it's like it's so hard that the hardest

571
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: thing to do is kind of to muster up empathy

572
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: for these people, because you're like, you just spent the

573
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: whole time going you eat it. But like, you know,

574
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: we had a researcher on our show, a very good

575
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: friend of mine who's a you know, he's a historian.

576
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: He was like, everyone at the time is.

577
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: Doing their best, you know, And it's true.

578
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, a lot of.

579
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: The time where that's all we're doing too, even though.

580
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: We're disastrous, Probably.

581
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: The time, people are just doing the best with the

582
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: information they have.

583
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Your time, your story of the neighbors are the people

584
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: who live on the river banks of the Dell River

585
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: complaining that whales song is keeping them up at night

586
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: and the local authorities going, yeah, that is terrible. Kill them.

587
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: And they're just going out there and harpooning these creatures

588
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and probably not even eating the meat, probably just throwing

589
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: it to the dogs or whatever, and us going, oh,

590
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in two hundred years, that's probably going to be someone

591
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: going he gave an iPad to a child? What did

592
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: he know that that app was owned by Oh no, but.

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 4: They you all this, Why did they keep giving it

594
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: to them? Yeah?

595
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I was doing my best at the time, even so,

596
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: like because at the time, you know, you're a European,

597
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: You've come all the way to Tasmania. I'm a live

598
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. I'm a frontier person.

599
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: I am in charge of the universe. I am in

600
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: charge of Earth. I can move mountains and change river

601
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: directions and shift cities and bring entire populations of food

602
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and plants to another part of the world. Of course

603
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I can destroy this animal. I have dominion overall. Why not?

604
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And no one cares? That was fine? That was our job. Yeah,

605
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: that was our job.

606
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 3: And you know, and so ignorant and so tragic in

607
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: so many ways. And you know, there's you can see

608
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: that there's so many huge mistakes they made. It ended

609
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: up you know, wiping out or nearly wiping out animals.

610
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: It's very similar to you know the treatment of the

611
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: indigenous people as well. And as the parallels there are

612
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: really heartbreaking that there was you know, the things could

613
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: have gone so differently if there was a different attitude,

614
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: but that was the attitude of the times.

615
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's extraordinarily it's a very brave show in

616
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: the way of done that. I tried to get a

617
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: history panel show up, quid show up, and nobody's making anything,

618
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: so I found it very difficult. But two of the

619
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: people that I wanted to do my team captains who

620
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: were a part of the pitch and everything like that,

621
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: were Briggs and Steph Tisdell. Oh yeah, both of them

622
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: on your Shop. Yeah, And I am kind of jealous

623
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: because Adam Riggs is an incredible musician. That guy can

624
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing, and that's I'd like to

625
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: think that's not the best thing he can do. He

626
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: is funny and so smart and crazy big brain wise,

627
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: like crazy, huge wise, unbelievable dude, and he is faster

628
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: than anyone. My god, he's amazing. It's very brave to

629
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: have like, Okay, here we are going to have this

630
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: conversation and we're going to make jokes about this terrible

631
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: thing that happened.

632
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, And I think that was always really

633
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: important to have, you know, indigenous representation. We had, you know,

634
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 3: people like Briggs and stuff, who, as you said, are

635
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: so funny with their own right. We had a Tasmanian indigenous,

636
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: brilliant comedy writer, Rob Braslan, who was on one of

637
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: our writers. And the thing that I think really became

638
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: something very important for me is that.

639
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: Yes, this horrible.

640
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: Tragic thing happened, and it continues to happen, but the indigenous,

641
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: you know, the Palawa and the Pakhana people are still

642
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: so strong on that island. They're so it's so different

643
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: to indigenous communities everywhere else. They have their very strong

644
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: and very proud identity, and it's like they are so

645
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: much more than what happened to them and the European

646
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: invasion and everything else, genocide and everything that happened afterwards.

647
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: And so I really wanted to have that celebrated as well.

648
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: And some of the incredible inventions that they made and

649
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: you know, were able to recover all those stories. I

650
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: think were really important to tell too and to celebrate

651
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: this incredible ongoing culture that they have.

652
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: That was more from alex Lee. In just a Moment,

653
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: we talk about how she was typecast by Hollywood. In

654
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: just two.

655
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: Roles, it's very funny.

656
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: She gives us from fantastic behind the scenes of the

657
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: times that she's been part of a major motion picture.

658
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Back in a moment we talked about improv before. Some

659
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments of making that news show was

660
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: when you could hear the bums puckering of when you're

661
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: doing the setup of the joke as dark as it was, like,

662
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: oh they're not going to oh shit they gunner. Yeah, yeah,

663
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Tassi's a it's any I reckon. Any city in Australia

664
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: could be a different country. We're that different, we really are,

665
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: and we sound different, even though we think we don't.

666
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: Adelaide only has twenty five letter alphabet. They don't say

667
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: the letter L. It's just a W.

668
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

669
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did the audience go with you? The audience any

670
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: moments where like any of that going on?

671
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I think there was. I think they were

672
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: very happy to be there. I mean, there's never been

673
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: a panel show filmed in Tazzy before. So you know,

674
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 3: normally in Sydney, you know you've got a studio show,

675
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: you've got to be basically bribing pensioners to come along

676
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: to it or something, or unis students like just leave

677
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: a little breadcrumbs of something, a pad tie or something

678
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: to bring them over to Ultimo. And in Tazzy they

679
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: were so keen the tickets sold out straight away. You

680
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: know it was it felt like you know, a fun

681
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: a big night acts or something that hadn't been there before.

682
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: And then you know, soon they realized, like everyone does

683
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: that studio panel records go for five times longer than

684
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: the show, and it's very long and tedious. Yeah, but

685
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: there was great enthusiasm from the audience and I think

686
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: they were just thrilled to have their stories, you know,

687
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: being being told and objects.

688
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: The really nice moment is a live audience.

689
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: So the first game of the show, which we do

690
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: every week, is we show it art, a fact or

691
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: an object from the museum, and then we tell two

692
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: stories and there's a true one and a fake l

693
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: on it, put a label on it, and then we

694
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: tell them which one is the correct label.

695
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: And when the audience knew straightaway that a story was bullshit.

696
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes it gave it away because they were like a

697
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: you know, collectively when someone started reading it, because they

698
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: knew exactly what that thing was, even though it would

699
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: be a complete mystery to anyone who didn't grow up.

700
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: In when you go like, I don't know who's doing

701
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: warm up, but they're going to have to get in there,

702
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: because like guys, you may know, but we had to

703
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: do a bit of that audience warmstdo. It's a hard, hard,

704
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: hard job to do when you're when you're when you're

705
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: making a panel shop, when you are on those kind

706
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: of kind of longer days, it can be difficult to

707
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: keep keep keep the thiet, the energy up as you

708
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: go through the day. Did you have any things that

709
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: you would any games you would play just with the audience.

710
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: I usually let the the comics because we always had

711
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 3: a panel of comedians. You know, they just love an audience.

712
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: They can't help themselves, so like, as soon as the

713
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: cameras are off, they were you know, they were usually

714
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: so keen to just like jump up and have a chat.

715
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: And I wanted them to feel like, you know, that

716
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: they were part of the show. And I said that

717
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 3: to them at the beginning of the show, I said,

718
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: you're not here to watch a show.

719
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 4: You are a part of this show. And it's so true.

720
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: It's like there's no point having there if you know

721
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: they're not going to be giving us everything. So it

722
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: was really, you know, letting them understand that they were

723
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: just as much a part of the sort of fabric

724
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: of the show.

725
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: What's it like? Yeah, you know, sometimes when you go

726
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: to a shop, like when I'm buying school shoes for Wolf. Yeah,

727
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: he's gigantic, And I said, do you have these? Do

728
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: you have these ones in a size big enough for him?

729
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: They go, I was check in the back. Did you

730
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: get to go out the back?

731
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm so glad.

732
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Is it the Indiana Jones room with all the boxes?

733
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: Incredible? It's it's like that these huge warehouses off site.

734
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: So in any museum's collection, only three percent of what

735
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: they have is on display three at any time. And

736
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: because the remit of tamag is so big, it's a

737
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: museum and art gallery, they have everything like they and

738
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: the really beautiful thing that I liked about it was

739
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: that the stuff the contemporary collections, So one of the

740
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: things we have on the show is this looks like

741
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: this sort of bodily done cardboard red post box and

742
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: you're like, we saw that going on a tour of

743
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: the off site, like what is that and they said, oh,

744
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: that is as Australia post box costume that was worn

745
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: by one of our staff in the marriage equality protests.

746
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: And so we thought that they saw that and said

747
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: that is a piece of history worth keeping, and it's

748
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: like those things is really you know, we.

749
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: Were just say, oh, I love that.

750
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: I love that having a show set in a museum

751
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: is also about what is worth collecting today that is

752
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: going to tell future generations of what we're like. And

753
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: there was Yeah, that was so much good stuff you

754
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: would you know, there was like twenty different rocking horses

755
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: and like, oh yeah, we're going to do a rocking

756
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: horse thing at one stage, or like different mannequins. And

757
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: the other beautiful thing about tam MAG is that it's

758
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: a working museum, so it's not just about I always

759
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: thought the people who worked in a museum were just

760
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: preparing things for display or collecting things for display, and

761
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: in fact they're actually it's actually sort of a scientific institution.

762
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: So they showed us to this room where there were

763
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: these scientists scrubbing scrubbing a dolphins skull with formaldehyde because

764
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: they were, you know, doing some research about the eating

765
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: habits and they were trying to preserve that. Or we

766
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: had there's this big fridge at the front, like you

767
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: know you'd see in a butcher or something, and they

768
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: were like, oh, yeah, that's where people donate dead animals

769
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: they've collected.

770
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: They just shopped them in this.

771
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: Big fridge and they're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna we're

772
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: doing a thing about seabirds. So we've been like trying

773
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: to see how they have been killed and try and

774
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: get a collection of which ones are getting electrified, you know,

775
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: so electrocuted on power line, so we can figure out

776
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: what we need to change to preserve that.

777
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: So if there's a more difficult job to convince your

778
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: parents have got any of the comedy, it's taxidermy. Yeah, yeah,

779
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: because like there's I don't know what, there's eight taxidermists

780
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: in the country. That's true full time at TAMAC, and

781
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: then there's Jeff up in Melbourne and we split the

782
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: rest of the stuff for Brisbane.

783
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: But I think when you're like the type of person

784
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: who's like oh yeah, sort of did a little bit

785
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: of everything, even though the things that I had world

786
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: very similar.

787
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: But someone who had.

788
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: Meeting people who have such a specific knowledge base and

789
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, or set of skills is so nice, Like

790
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: I just want to talk to them all day.

791
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: Like one of the.

792
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: People we had on the show because we get experts

793
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: to come on and talk to us, he is alycanologist

794
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: and he is one of the top licanologists in the world.

795
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: And to talk to him about his passion for likean

796
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: I could have done it for six hours. It was

797
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: incredible and you'd think it was maybe could be one

798
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: of those boring things in the world. And you finish

799
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: a conversation with him, and not only do you start

800
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: seeing lichen everywhere, but you're like, there's no life without liken,

801
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: like and are the only shirt, right, Yeah, they're the

802
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: only organisms that First of all, they're not a plant,

803
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: they're not an animal. They're like this symbiotic relationship between

804
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: two things, and they're the first colonizers of any thing.

805
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: So like, if there's a rock in the middle of

806
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: a desert, the first thing that grows on that is

807
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: like it, and there's nothing else until.

808
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: Likeen grows on it. I was like, oh my god,

809
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: I love like it.

810
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: Like it was just those moments that you know, it

811
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: was so special to have on the show, and just

812
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: you know, those discoveries as someone who doesn't get to

813
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: deal with those things, I think is really really delightful.

814
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: Now I'll give you his number. Man, I want to

815
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: go down, I'll tell you because I'm I'm nerdy for them.

816
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: The meta organization of such a place like pre digitization,

817
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: all these stuff, all this stuff had to be cataloged,

818
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and there's systems and ways and special bookcases that hold

819
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: the special cards with a special machine that writes special

820
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: and prints the special tag. And there's only one of

821
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: those tags and the other one and this is this

822
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: is the exact way. You can find it in some

823
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: very very special chest of draws which has draws this thin,

824
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: but there's one hundred of them, because that's where you

825
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: keep a thousand shells. But one that came from Lady

826
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: must Grave. Violent. Yeah, yeah, you know, I love that.

827
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Love I go find that for you because they if

828
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: you will. You know, the the curator character is made

829
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: fun of often in Wars is famously. You know, there's

830
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: yet you know, the curator of the lady who's in

831
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: charge of the archive, the person who's downstairs, like the

832
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: lady in Ghostbusters, like the curator person. There's there, but

833
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: they're the ones man, They're the ones who can find

834
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: the thing that you really need.

835
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: And it's something very comforting about seeing these institutions that

836
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: have these people that are you know that they're collecting this,

837
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: these things that are important, and that they're collecting it

838
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: an objective truth, you know, like that, yes, this is

839
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: every single plan that it grows in Tasmania and we

840
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: have a collection of that, and you know that. For me,

841
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: that's like, Okay, there are people who are spending a

842
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: lot of time making sure that we have this information

843
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: because so much information today feels just.

844
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: Like it's all.

845
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: But also it's it's like, oh.

846
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: This stuff is real.

847
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: When you show that nice when you show that that

848
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: last peak the only single remaining part of the body

849
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: of that creature that passed, Like, here's every single plant today. Yeah,

850
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: ten years from now, that might be that collection might

851
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: be bigger than every single plant we've got.

852
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: Forgot that duck.

853
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: It's but that's what the museum is. Yeah, yeah, and

854
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: that's also why it's really important to collect this stuff

855
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: and look at it. It's so it's so fucking, so

856
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: fucking important.

857
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: And the beautiful, especially in the herbarium where they have

858
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: got this collection. It is a system that started in

859
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, the seventeen or eighteen hundreds. You know, it's

860
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: something that and it's the same they use the same

861
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: cataloging system. So he's like, you know, he showed us

862
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: one leaf of a pine tree, and you know it's

863
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: in this catalog the same way that everything else they have.

864
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: He pulled it out and he said, whose name is that.

865
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that's Joseph Banks, Like, oh, he that

866
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: was just you know, Jay Banks collected that and that

867
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 3: is a part of the collection now and it's.

868
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Like wow, part of his excellent voyage across Bass Straight.

869
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: But there's also a lot to that because in our

870
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: next neighbor in the back of the yeah, there's what

871
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: we call the banks here. However, there's probably between here

872
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: and the coastline, which is I don't know less than

873
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: the kilometer that way, probably seventeen different kinds of tree

874
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: we call banks here. But that's all the actual names

875
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: for them we lost. Yeah, you know, and it's important

876
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: as well when we go to museums to have a

877
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: look and go ah, yeah, yeah, now what are the

878
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: mistakes that when it comes to objects, I think of

879
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: my I think one of my favorite objects in any

880
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: museum that I've seen in Australia is in Queensland and

881
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: it is a giant squid in a tank of formaldehyde.

882
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: And it's amazing because it's eyeball is this big wow,

883
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: like a dinner plate, and it was pulled out of

884
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: the ocean like somewhere of I think, yeah, well yeah,

885
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: and it's incredible. It's fucking humongous, and it's at just

886
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: the right size you can hold your kids up. Yeah,

887
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: and the eyeball is bigger than their head.

888
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

889
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. You talk about I'm never going to get to

890
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: eight hundred meters below the ocean. I'm never going to

891
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: see a giant screen, but there's one there. It is

892
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: what objects, what things? Well, okay, firstly, what's your favorite

893
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: taxidermt animal that you saw?

894
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: Ooh, there's a really lovely little wombat that they call

895
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: the zombat, and it's because it is an example again,

896
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: it's an example of something that was taxidermy at the

897
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 3: time in the eighteen hundreds and they'd someone who killed

898
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: a wombat. They'd sent it over to England to be

899
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: taxidermy by someone who had never seen a wombat, for

900
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: I never even heard of a one. So they taxi

901
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: dermit it in an upright position, so it's standing on

902
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: its two hind legs like this. Ha, it's got his

903
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: two little arms up and he's like sort of got

904
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: this little crazy little scowl on his face. So it

905
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: looks like this adorable little predators.

906
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: The originah, it says, like the origin story of the

907
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: drop beer to be honest.

908
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, probably I wonder if it is.

909
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

910
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: So they were just so ignorant and they were like no,

911
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: I'm right, I'm English, Like I'm like put it together,

912
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: and they've they've got it recreated and it's it's in

913
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 3: the museum as part of their collection. Now it's like, yeah,

914
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: look how wrong we got it? Like check this out,

915
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: which is really lovely.

916
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: And what about a thing like we're not an animal

917
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: that was your favorite dead animal? What about a particular object,

918
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: a thing hard, I mean some of the hard.

919
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: Sworn not to give all the really good items, haven't

920
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: put a label on it. And because I want people

921
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: to play along, at home. I can't give any of

922
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: them away, so I have to think of something else.

923
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: Well, I mean as a okay, as a as a nerd,

924
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: and for ye when I'm in it's in Hobart. Yeah,

925
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: I'm a nerd for Antarctic exploration, and so I visit

926
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Morson's Hut and it's I can't tell you how many

927
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: times I've read South from Shackleton and like Mawson is

928
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: one of the greats. And to sit in that heart

929
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: and just go, oh, it was this big Yeah, Like

930
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough job to do, right. What

931
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: about the Antarctic stuff? Of your Antarctic stuff, what was

932
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: your favorite Antarctic.

933
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: I loved the they've got this the apple huts that

934
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: are on display so they're used. I think they were

935
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: made by the a Tasmanian company in like the sixties

936
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: or something, and they were for the Antarctic researchers. And

937
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: they just look they look like something that would be

938
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: in like a Facebook office, is like a little pod

939
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: or something, you know, And they're just this adorable little

940
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: red round plastic things there, and they've got little round windows.

941
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: They look like they're out of a fairy tale.

942
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: Or something.

943
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: They're so strange, but this is what people would, you know,

944
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: spend months and months in and they're tiny. It's smaller

945
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: than this, definitely smaller than this studio. It's probably about

946
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: the diameter of this.

947
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

948
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then they're still being used today. It's one

949
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: of those things where they're like, oh, no, we got

950
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: that right, Like, yeah, that's it. But the Antarctic stuff

951
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: is crazy. I had no idea how much Australia was

952
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: involved in all that. Yeah, those early things, because I've

953
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: heard of all those stories and of Shackleton and stuff,

954
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: and just the isolation of you know, there's a I

955
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: made this into the show. But you know, Shackleton went out,

956
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: his boat got stuck in the ice. There was a

957
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: whole other group of.

958
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: People whose only job it was was to go and

959
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 4: leave supplies for them, and they.

960
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: Killed themselves, you know, eventually a lot of them, all

961
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: of them died leaving these supplies out for people who

962
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: would never come because there was no way of telling them, oh, no,

963
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 3: Shackleton's boat is stuck. He's not going to make it.

964
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: And so they were like, no, we've got to finish

965
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: our mission. We have to go and leave this food

966
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: and they all.

967
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 4: Die doing that.

968
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, the tragedy and the isolation of just

969
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: being there, The thought of being so out of contact

970
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: with anyone else is so unthinkable today.

971
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Frank Hurley's doing like glass plates, silvers, eight

972
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: by ten huge photographs in these gigantic box cameras, cameras

973
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: because of Emperor Penguins and developing them while the ice

974
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: flow is crushing this ship. It's fucking nuts stuff. It's like,

975
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: that's proper, proper edge of the Earth exploration stuff. For

976
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: the last time I think humans have ever really, ever,

977
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: really done it. It's yeah, was it? You were down

978
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: there for long? Down?

979
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: It hasn't not that long.

980
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: I had a couple of trips beforehand, but we filmed

981
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: it all because we took over the museum, we had

982
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: to get it all done pretty quick.

983
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: Eight apps. I was there for eleven nights, so I

984
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: really just smashed it out.

985
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: Kids, come yeah, no way, I love it.

986
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't.

987
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: I actually am so grateful that we were not in

988
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: the city where I live making that show, because we did.

989
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: Think about it.

990
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, calm down, like I missed the boys.

991
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: And then when it came close. I was like, absolutely not,

992
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: you're not coming sorry, Like, I just need to be

993
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 3: one hundred percent focused on this and I want to

994
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 3: think about it from the time I go to bed

995
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 3: from when I wake up in the morning.

996
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: I just need to be a completely selfish being.

997
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: When I wake up in the morning. At a time

998
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: of my choosing behind a black count curtain with a

999
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: knock at the door saying here's some coffee.

1000
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: Good Yeah, people were like, oh, man, you must be

1001
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: so tired.

1002
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: I was like, not really, No one's jumping on my

1003
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: head at five am.

1004
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 4: I've had a great time. I was like, I have

1005
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: to work for a couple. I was sure, like yeah, no, no,

1006
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 4: job is harder than parenting.

1007
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: As we know you've working. I mean making it's even

1008
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: making panel shows. Is making anything TV wise or entertainment

1009
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: wise in this in this current media environment is difficult.

1010
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: I've made shows on ABC Budgets difficult. You can still

1011
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: make it, but you know you make when you get

1012
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: to the It's like the difference between Flying Scoot and

1013
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: Flying Emirates, Like, well, we're still going to get there,

1014
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: but there's a shower on this one. It's pretty good.

1015
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: When you go to network or whatever. But you've had

1016
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: the experience of working on gigantic budget things You've worked

1017
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: on like major major motion pictures. Yes, yes, while pregnant.

1018
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: What's it like? I mean I've had I've had the

1019
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: experience of working on network television in America, and it

1020
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: was I was like, oh wow, Like when you first

1021
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: step onto one of those gigantal films, I think you

1022
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: did it. It was a Gillan horror Gosling. Which one

1023
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: was it?

1024
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: I've done I've only done too and that one was

1025
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: a Gosling and one was a Warburg. So all right,

1026
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: yeah and both times. And this is I think, you know,

1027
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: testament to my wonderful range as an actor.

1028
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 4: I played a newsreader and a newscaster.

1029
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: Hang on right before AFTERNOONI was it SBS Overnight. What

1030
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: job did you do?

1031
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1032
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: It was news, news reporter, news presenter. Has been what

1033
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: the Hollywood has deemed me appropriate for, which I'm very

1034
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: grateful for. But I've never seen anything like What's it

1035
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: like When I just went for a costume fitting and

1036
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: they'd taken over like some place I don't even know

1037
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: what it would have been in Home Bush and you know,

1038
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 3: I was being taken through to meet with the costume designer.

1039
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: And this is a one scene role, very small, but

1040
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: still I was meeting, we know, with this American lady

1041
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: and we had a full fitting but just before that,

1042
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: so this movie was the full guy by the way,

1043
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: if anyone's seen him, And there was just this warehouse sized.

1044
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: Room.

1045
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: It was huge.

1046
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: It was probably like twenty five meters long, twenty five

1047
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: meters wide, and the whole thing I just stuck my

1048
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: head in was full of Hawaiian shirts.

1049
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 4: Yes, and that was the scale of it.

1050
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: And when you see it in the movie, you're like, oh,

1051
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: that was like a tiny scene where a lot of

1052
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: people were mate, We're wearing Hawaiian shirts. But it was

1053
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: like that was a scale of it.

1054
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: We had.

1055
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 3: We had this costume fitting. I tried on a million

1056
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: different outfits. I was not so I when I auditioned,

1057
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: I was not maybe I was a tiny bit pregnant,

1058
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: but not showing. And then by the time it came

1059
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: around to filming my scene, I was like about to pop.

1060
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: So they did not get what they originally hired.

1061
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: So I was trying on various different gigantic trench coats

1062
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: and things, and then suddenly there was this the costume

1063
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: designer got this phone call and she was like, I

1064
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: have to go. I've got to find a minion suit

1065
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: for a dog and the one we have isn't right

1066
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 3: and she had to leave.

1067
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 4: And it's just like what is this world? And then yeah,

1068
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: and getting to filming it. It was.

1069
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: On the they had shut down all of the opera house,

1070
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: were filming the opera house steps, and they had all

1071
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: these pyrotechnics out on the harbor, on these big barges

1072
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: ready to go, and they were all waiting on the

1073
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: queue from me to get my line right for all

1074
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: this stuff to go because I was presenting this big

1075
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: final scene in you know, climactic moment.

1076
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: So when you say pyrotechnics, we're not talking about fireworks

1077
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: news because just fire explosions kabo.

1078
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think speedboats crashing. Yeah, And and I was

1079
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 4: so nervous. I don't I had First of all, I

1080
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: got there at like three PM. I was filming it

1081
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 4: by the time they got to me at four am.

1082
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: They had to wait for the cinema. It was the

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Speaker 3: Heart on the Harbor cinema things before they could shoot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then everything was running late, so it was

1085
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Speaker 4: four am.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, so tired, so pregnant, and then the

1087
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Speaker 3: director comes up to me and he's like, oh, I've

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00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: rewritten your scene, can you And then he sort of

1089
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: had half scrawled this thing like in the dark, so

1090
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: I was barely legible. And then he's like, ah, it's

1091
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: going to be something like this, and so we were

1092
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: like improvising lines because I was like, well, that's not

1093
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: really like having I don't think he knew that he'd

1094
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: gotten someone who was an improviser who used to read

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Speaker 3: the news, so.

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Speaker 4: He got very lucky that night.

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Speaker 3: I think I think I'll be saved a lot of

1098
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: money on explosions because I was like, oh, no, that

1099
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: doesn't really work, like I think it'll be something like this.

1100
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: And we tried a few different versions and managed to

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00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: get it out, but it was the craziest.

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Speaker 1: But what you just said is was it dell close?

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00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: I think he said it, and I've heard Seth might

1104
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: say it as well. And it's true for me, and

1105
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's true for you. You'll use everything you know. Yeah, yeah,

1106
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: you will be prepared to use everything you'll ever know.

1107
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: Don't just think, oh, this is this kind of job.

1108
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I won't use anything like that. You can't ever discount

1109
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: the stuff you learn along the way or you pick

1110
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: up along the way. It will all be ready to

1111
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: deploy all of it at any point, and you'll just

1112
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: add value beyond what people can possibly expect. I mean,

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: if you were just someone unless you're on a casting sheet,

1114
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: who I don't know, had maybe done some modeling campaigns

1115
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but had never acted, and suddenly

1116
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: got new words. Shit's hitting the fan, No one's hitting

1117
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: go on the kaboo. Yeah, But you're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: and that's amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know. I felt it's funny because sometimes you think, oh,

1120
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: I should have I wish i'd discovered that I wanted to,

1121
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, do comedy earlier in my career, and I

1122
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: didn't do this whole sort of thing where I got

1123
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 3: distracted by doing journalism.

1124
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Speaker 4: And then you do something like that and you're like, oh, no,

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 4: that was worth it.

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all.

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00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: Those things I think. I think if you come to

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00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: things in a roundabout way, or let yourself sort of

1129
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: go on some weird side paths, it's always follow the things.

1130
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: If you if you can find some way of keeping

1131
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: money coming in the door, to keep the lights on

1132
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: the fridge fall. Go and do stuff that's interesting too,

1133
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: because it'll make you interesting to other people. Yeah, that's it.

1134
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: True if you've got success straight away and you never

1135
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: had to do any other weird, random jobs.

1136
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: I did it just fucking hell. It's only okay because

1137
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: he said it. I hosted a thing for so. It

1138
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: was a famous moment when Robbi Williams came on Channel V.

1139
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: It was at the time of my friend Yumi was

1140
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: auditioning for a job on Channel V and he turns

1141
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: to her off camera. He says, oh, so you're auditioning,

1142
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: are you, And she says, yeah, an auditioning, goes I

1143
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: did an audition it once I got it, referring to

1144
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: the one time by audition, which is to take that

1145
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: that was the only time I've ever had to ever

1146
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: got the job. You know.

1147
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: That's so good.

1148
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: Hate him and he can do that. What are your

1149
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: kids like when you go to the museum with your kids?

1150
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Are you like a going because where I'm a card

1151
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: carrying member of the Maritime Museums? Like dad, are we

1152
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: going to the submarine today?

1153
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're a big museum family. Yeah yeah, my,

1154
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: my both of them love the museum.

1155
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 4: It's just it's just a magical place.

1156
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: And it's free.

1157
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: It's free. It's so good.

1158
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so lucky to have the ones that we

1159
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: did that we have, you know, all around the country

1160
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: there's some incredible museums.

1161
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Speaker 4: We love it.

1162
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: I love you obviously, dinosaurs, but you know, my eldest

1163
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: son is really into rocks and minerals.

1164
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: So I love it.

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: It feels like such cheat code when all the other

1166
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: kids on a rainy Saturday are up at dinosaurs and

1167
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: You're like, we're going down to rocks and we're going

1168
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: to be the only ones there.

1169
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Speaker 4: And it's so it's so nice. I think it's really nice.

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Speaker 3: One thing about having kid is that you it forces

1171
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: you to sort of open your brain up to learn

1172
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: about things that you had sort of shut off because

1173
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: they weren't part of your identity, you know, like and

1174
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: some of them I wish I didn't know about it.

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: I know I can name any construction vehicle, but I

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00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: don't really want that information.

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Speaker 1: But I've got an a point on the map where

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: the buts comes from exactly. Yeah, I know nobody I know.

1179
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: But it is a testament because Wolfing and I've been

1180
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: talking a little about drinking water because he's kind of

1181
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: figuring out. When Georgia went away to window she came

1182
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: back unwell, and we talked it was from the drinking water,

1183
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: and that sometimes when we go to Fiji we don't

1184
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: brush our teeth with the water there, and that it's

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00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: important in our country that we spend money on making

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: our drinking water safe. And I love that it's important

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: in our country that we spend money to make an

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00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: art gallery free at a museum free and you don't

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00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: have to pay to get in, and it's so freaking

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: important that we do that for all the reasons we

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00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: described earlier. It is a place that we reflect on

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: where we are, where we've been, where we might go

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Speaker 1: museums off and a reciprocal membership like with I think

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: we ran into one day at Melbourne Zoo when we

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01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: were with Warfing because we have a Taronga Zoo membership

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Speaker 1: and so we got in for free. Now that you've

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: done you know this to know that museum in Tasmania,

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01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: can you if you just like around the world museum

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Speaker 1: free pasture balat actions do you hope?

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Speaker 3: So I haven't received it in the male yet, but yeah,

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01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: we'd hope if we get to do other seasons we'll

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: go to different museums.

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do a different museum each time.

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01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: Would be the dream that Brisbane was pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta see this squid.

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Speaker 1: It's freaking good. Yeah. Yeah, they've got they've got a

1207
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: gigantic cuddlefish as well. That it's it's bigger than like

1208
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: if I called up in a ball. It's that big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine scuba diving and coming across a cuddlefish,

1211
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, like a cephalopod that can change colors with intelligence?

1212
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know we eat them, but these

1213
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: things are fucking smart. They're a completely different part of

1214
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: evolution to anything that exists. They are alien, there are Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm alex spirit tricker Well said, I couldn't be more

1216
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: happy that you got this up because it's a very

1217
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: what for all the reasons we discussed, it's a wonderful

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: way to look at our country where it is at

1219
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: a time when we really kind of need to look

1220
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: at where we are and where we've been and where

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: we're going. And what you've just described about the way

1222
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: that they've adjusted the collections and things like this and

1223
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: it's probably the same for museums all around the country.

1224
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: Is that we may feel despair because we look in

1225
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: the streets right now as we're recording this, there's people

1226
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: are getting hit in the streets. People are punching each other.

1227
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: It's not great yet if you look back. Not to

1228
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: be too hands rossing about this, but it's bad. But

1229
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: it's getting better and it's way better than it was,

1230
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: way better than it was. And that's something that's important

1231
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: to reflect on that we've come so so so far.

1232
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: We will still have moments that suck, and we will

1233
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: still get things wrong. We will still back on a

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: hundred years and go you fucking watch the whales? Yeah,

1235
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: hang on. You know, people pay money to buy a CD,

1236
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: or people pay money to pay for whales song that

1237
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: they can hear so they go to sleep nowha, Like

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01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: they pay a meditation app to play a whale song

1239
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: so they can go to bed now. And you had that.

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 4: You killed them because they were too noises.

1241
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: You harpooned them. Yeah, yeah, because you wanted your piece

1242
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: and quiet.

1243
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: Like I'll be saying to us, you put helium in balloons,

1244
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 4: That's what were you doing. You needed that for the

1245
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 4: medical equipment and you put it in balloon.

1246
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: It's a fine resource.

1247
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: We don't know how to make that.

1248
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: We can't make it, it will run out.

1249
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 4: Helium stresses me out so much. I should have brought

1250
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 4: it up.

1251
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a whole other podcast I can't wait to do.

1252
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: Alex Thank you so much for being on the show

1253
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: that is alex Lee. And you can watch her brand

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01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: new show. It's called Tonight at the Museum on the

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: AVC of Wednesday Night. It's eight pm. It's also streaming

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01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: on iView. It's very fun. Like I said, I've only

1257
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: seen the first episode, but it's a great format. Adam Leau,

1258
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: what a weapon. It's a great show. It's going to

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: do wonderful things and I'm very very excited about it.

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: Alex Ley, you can find out wherever you find people

1261
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: that you want to find. Check out her podcast, her

1262
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: parenting Bodcust, which is very very good as well. Alex

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01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: is also a part of Story Club. There's a couple

1264
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: of her stories already on the YouTube page'll put the

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: link in the show notes. That's where you can also

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Speaker 1: sign up to a newsletter which is firing. I've actually

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Speaker 1: made a whole month of newsletters going out twice a week.

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Speaker 1: That is a first thirteen years of making the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever done that, and I'm very

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: fucking happy that It's taken me enough time. But I've

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01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: got there, and it's lovely to be in touch like this.

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: All the episodes are up on YouTube as well, like

1273
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: as followers, subscribers, leave a rating and leave a comment.

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: All that stuff really helps. If this episode was useful

1275
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: to you, or you know someone you'd like who would

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01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: like to hear it, please send it to them. That

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Speaker 1: is a wonderful thing. Fast join me in thanking Damien Havington,

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Speaker 1: my executive producer, a decree in my EA, and you

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01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks for being a partment. I'll see you

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Speaker 1: back here on Monday.