WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Harry. Happy Monday, public holiday for many,

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<v Speaker 2>normal day for some, but most importantly, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>watching us as always right here regardless of what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>on the calendar here on Paul Murray Live. Lots to

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<v Speaker 2>get to tonight, including a great debate as always, But

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<v Speaker 2>first the Canbra bubble and the people who guard the

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<v Speaker 2>people inside the bubble, the Cambra Press Gallery. They tried

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<v Speaker 2>to tell us that no one cares about immigration. Andrew Giles,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he should go, but the Prime Minister's awesome for

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<v Speaker 2>keeping him around. No one cares. The same people told

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<v Speaker 2>us that, jeez, this budget from Jim Chalmers, I'll tell you, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to win so many people over. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a series of master strokes because he's really

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the cost of living, when, of course the

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<v Speaker 2>reality you and I both day was people hating competence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Andrew Giles is and people don't like Bs's

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<v Speaker 2>which which is what Jim Chalmers is when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to his budget and the too little, too late to

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<v Speaker 2>actually change anyone's life about cost of living. So surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>surprise when the news poll dropped, surprisingly right in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of a long weekend for many. It showed a

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<v Speaker 2>change in fortunes where Labor is falling back to basically

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<v Speaker 2>where they were at the last election. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>the two party preferred now fifty to fifty. Now, given

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<v Speaker 2>the way that the one hundred and fifty odd seats

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<v Speaker 2>of the Parliament where they are and the seventy six

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to become a government, the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 2>ends up going. Okay, fifty to fifty is not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still in with a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, we would end up in the minority, but

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<v Speaker 2>still we would get more people on the cross bench

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<v Speaker 2>because of those damned teels. But fifty to fifty, Remember

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister said, I haven't lost a news poll yet. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got about as close as you can without actually

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<v Speaker 2>losing a news poll. We'll see what happens again in

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<v Speaker 2>about a month's time. Primary vote, though ALP thirty three percent,

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party in National Party together thirty nine percent really

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<v Speaker 2>important because the coalition in traditional elections would get very

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<v Speaker 2>close to winning an election with a thirty nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>primary vote. Why I keep this up, guys, because I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to go up and down these numbers for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Because in the same way that you turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>see if you add the Greens eleven to Labour's thirty three,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd get forty three percent. Well, if the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>people who voted one nation ended up voting coalition, then

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<v Speaker 2>of course that would end up as say forty five

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<v Speaker 2>forty six percent. They would of course end up in front.

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<v Speaker 2>So that question of other matters. Now, this can be

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<v Speaker 2>everything from the left wing teel independence all the way

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<v Speaker 2>through to the right wing freedom. Focused 're notited austrated party.

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<v Speaker 2>But the central point is this, whichever way you plan

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<v Speaker 2>to vote this upcoming election, your preferences always matter. You

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<v Speaker 2>should always put the party that ultimately you want to

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<v Speaker 2>provide ministers and a prime minister, rather than put them

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<v Speaker 2>all last put them all No, no, you can't do that

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<v Speaker 2>if you do that, or you end up in a

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<v Speaker 2>scenario where Labor because many other candidates basically little proxies

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<v Speaker 2>for the Labor Party, a lot of preference whispering goes

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<v Speaker 2>on where all of it basically goes back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party. So if you are somebody who would like

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for your local independent for whatever reason. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you'd really like the Liberal Party to be the government,

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<v Speaker 2>well then you've got to put them a number two,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course the same for Labor. Otherwise there is

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<v Speaker 2>a chance that people who you think you're voting for

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<v Speaker 2>are actually just all ways of distracting you from the

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<v Speaker 2>vote that you really want to give. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>if an election was held right now, and it isn't,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not in the middle of an election campaign. We are,

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<v Speaker 2>of course quite some distance from now. I thought there

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<v Speaker 2>was a chance of one in and around August. But

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<v Speaker 2>if the numbers stay like this, which there's no suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>it would change, they'd lose five seats. That means they'd

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<v Speaker 2>end up on seventy two seats. Yes, they would end

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<v Speaker 2>up with more seats than the Coalition, who may well

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<v Speaker 2>get into the very high sixties. But this would mean

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party would need least four cross benches to

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<v Speaker 2>form the seventy six seats required to become the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Where would they come from. Well, they can do a

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<v Speaker 2>deal straight up with the Grands and bang they get

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<v Speaker 2>their seventy six. Well they say they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that deal the Teals while they come from traditionally

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<v Speaker 2>liberal seats, so why would they back them in. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that Manik Ryan or many of the other

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hardcore left wing and certainly in my view the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian Teals. While they could end up providing two of

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<v Speaker 2>the votes that are required, as for the other, which

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<v Speaker 2>is six, you've got a scenario there of people like

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<v Speaker 2>Rebecca Sharky from Center Alliance, Catter of course from Kata's

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Party, You've got Wilkie, a whole bunch of other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the actual list of cross Bench at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment does also include two seats that are currently former

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal or National people who decided to run away one

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew g out of fear of the Teals coming for

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<v Speaker 2>him at the next election, so he thought he could

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<v Speaker 2>teal him self up, bizarre despite the primary vote he

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<v Speaker 2>got at the last election in his seat. But still

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<v Speaker 2>and then of course you have the Russell Broadbin who's

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed that he's lost his preselection. So those seats are

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<v Speaker 2>assumed to go back to the coalition. So the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are really tight. They're really tight because of the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of performance from the government on actually dealing with the

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<v Speaker 2>issue that you care about, which is cost of living

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<v Speaker 2>them telling you that a few crumbs off the table

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<v Speaker 2>is the greatest meal you've ever had in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Australian public says, no, thanks for the cash,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, it's not going to change my or anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else's world. And of course the incompetence of Andrew Giles,

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<v Speaker 2>which we constantly kept being told by people inside the

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<v Speaker 2>counter bubble no one is doesn't matter. Well, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>were paying attention to every single day where there was

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<v Speaker 2>more evidence every single day that helped to build to

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative. And I often talk about politics as narrative,

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<v Speaker 2>not news. Good guys, bad guys, good ideas, bad ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>And the narrative has well and truly been around the government.

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<v Speaker 2>And it happens to be true that incompetence is accepted

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<v Speaker 2>inside the government because to admit failure in any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form would of course result in the weakening

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<v Speaker 2>of a government. But of course the arrogance of not

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<v Speaker 2>admitting their mistakes well has been rewarded with what you've

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<v Speaker 2>just seen in the polls. But it's just the polls now,

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the polls told us that don't know was leading

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Abernezi as preferred Prime Minister about this long away

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<v Speaker 2>from the last federal election, and it didn't quite turn

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<v Speaker 2>out that way, did it. So just as we've said

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen, nothing is inevitable, and I repeat it

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<v Speaker 2>now to anyone who thinks they definitely know what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>at the next election. The most likely and most logical

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<v Speaker 2>outcome is that we're going to be talking about minority government.

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<v Speaker 2>Just how many people they have to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>cross bench is the question between now and the election.

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<v Speaker 2>But you saw well a little bit of dare i say,

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<v Speaker 2>misinformation that was being spread instantly by the left wing

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<v Speaker 2>media who want to firstly demonize Dutton but secondly of

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<v Speaker 2>course put the Liberal Party in a box it can't

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<v Speaker 2>fight its way out of, to be too extreme two

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<v Speaker 2>right wing, all of that stuff that they then write

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<v Speaker 2>about as all the reasons why the Liberal Party is lost,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course the embodiment of that is none other

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<v Speaker 2>than Peter Dutton, the one that they will try to

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<v Speaker 2>turn out as Australia's version of Donald Trump, and Australians

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<v Speaker 2>don't like Donald Trump, you get the point. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was all because of headlines like this Dutton to pull

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<v Speaker 2>Australia out of the Paris Agreement if elected. Now I've

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<v Speaker 2>explained before the Paris Agreement is this, in my view,

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<v Speaker 2>ludicrous global charter that says countries like Australia need to

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<v Speaker 2>cut their emissions from the levels that were registered first

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five. But countries like China are

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<v Speaker 2>developing countries, you know, with space stations, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to start cutting their emissions until the number that

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<v Speaker 2>they reach. In twenty thirty Australia is one percent of

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<v Speaker 2>global emissions, China thirty percent and rising. So even if

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<v Speaker 2>Australia did everything that was required of it, it still

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<v Speaker 2>would of course be completely replaced by China and whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it wants to do for the next six years. But

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<v Speaker 2>the mere suggestion that Evil Trumpy and Peter Dutton was

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<v Speaker 2>going to pull out of the Paris Agreement resulted in

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<v Speaker 2>a freak out that if you were paying attention at

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<v Speaker 2>all to the news in the long weekend for most

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<v Speaker 2>of the country, you would think they're doing what.

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<v Speaker 1>The Paris Accord's very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't backslide, you can't reduce your commitments. So is

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<v Speaker 3>mister Dutton proposing to leave the Paris Accord or is

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<v Speaker 3>he just hoping no one notices at the moment the

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<v Speaker 3>countries outside the Paris Accord are Libya, Yemen and Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>Is mister Dutton proposing to take Australia into that company.

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<v Speaker 4>Pleader Dutton is walking away from climate action. His decision

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<v Speaker 4>to abandon the twenty thirty target means him walking away

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<v Speaker 4>from the Paris Accord. If you walk away from the

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<v Speaker 4>Paris Accord, you'll be standing with Libya, Yemen and Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't shape the future if you're afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Of jeez, do you think they worked this one out

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<v Speaker 2>mention all of those countries. Nobody would ever want to

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<v Speaker 2>be say that he's all this stuff right. So remember,

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<v Speaker 2>most countries that are signed up to the Paris Accord,

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<v Speaker 2>by their own admissions at this stage, are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to meet the targets that they've set

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<v Speaker 2>sixties down the road by twenty thirty. Even left wingers

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<v Speaker 2>would say that Australia is unlikely to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the elbow figure of forty three percent of

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<v Speaker 2>one percent in the next six years. Peter Dutton says

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<v Speaker 2>ben goal for all signatories to the Paris Accord is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's zero twenty fifty, and he thinks that by

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<v Speaker 2>things like nuclear power and a whole collection of other technologies,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be able to reach net zero by twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fifty and we won't have to really force the issue

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty thirty. But of course lefties like the Greens

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<v Speaker 2>and the Teals, well, they want us to be basically

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<v Speaker 2>net zero yesterday. So you see how automatically you get

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<v Speaker 2>this scenario where despite the fact that the end point

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<v Speaker 2>is agreed on, how we get there is always up

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<v Speaker 2>for negotiation, because I hate to break it to you,

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<v Speaker 2>no government is forever, No prime ministership is forever, but

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<v Speaker 2>that end goal is not changing. And just because we

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not deliver on what Albo says is

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<v Speaker 2>the target, of course Albo is not the forever prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Should there be a change in prime minister, than that

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister and their government would be able to set

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<v Speaker 2>whatever target that they want. However, Anthony Abernici thinks he's

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<v Speaker 2>outsmart at everyone with his forty tillywinks because he's passed

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<v Speaker 2>a law and that law could never be changed unless,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, there was a majority of people of the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite political party who voted to do so because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they took to an election and they would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to pass that law in the House and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate. But I again spend tonight where we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of did last night by going back to the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of this scare campaign. And the next time you hear

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<v Speaker 2>someone somewhere echoing Peter Dutton's going to pull at Paris accord. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>here's on fire. He doesn't care about can armor change

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<v Speaker 2>the way that he should? Let's go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>source of this outrage. Peter Dutton did an interview with

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<v Speaker 2>the Weekend Australian that was published on Saturday, start of

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<v Speaker 2>a three day weekend for most of the country. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay if you didn't read it. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>read you three paragraphs that apparently justified all of the

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<v Speaker 2>outrage that you've just heard and all of the lies,

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<v Speaker 2>the medi scale lies, lies that you will hear between

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<v Speaker 2>now and the next federal election. Direct quote. He is

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<v Speaker 2>committed to zero emissions by twenty fifty, but clearly twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and twenty thirty five targets are not going to

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<v Speaker 2>bind a coalition's energy future, that being the legislative target

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<v Speaker 2>that Anthony Abernezi has said. Instead, Dutton says I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>to an election saying look that zero is locked in stone,

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<v Speaker 2>no question. But how we get there that's up for

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<v Speaker 2>people to debate. The direct quote that again set their

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<v Speaker 2>hair on fire. Well, they Labor just have no hope

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<v Speaker 2>of achieving their targets, and there's no sense in signing

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<v Speaker 2>up to targets that you don't have any prospect of achieving.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, are you shaking in your boots? Does this

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<v Speaker 2>sound like the guy who doesn't believe in climate change

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<v Speaker 2>that's just going to start up a nuclear reactor on

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's backyard. Third paragraph, We're not going to destroy agriculture.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to stifle investment. We're already seeing investment

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<v Speaker 2>being withdrawn. We're not going to create sovereign risk with

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<v Speaker 2>our export partners as Labor is going to do with

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<v Speaker 2>Japan and Korea. Mind blown?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you believe he said any of this? How outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not saying he doesn't believe in climate change. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not saying climate change is crap. He's not saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's all just start smoking coal. Seriously, those are the

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<v Speaker 2>three paragraphs that informed the headlines. Which of course were

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<v Speaker 2>all sputon by government spin doctors to pretend that they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pull out of the Paris Accord. But again

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<v Speaker 2>they assume public holiday, you're not really paying attention. A

0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.280
<v Speaker 2>few people are going to go He's going to do what?

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<v Speaker 2>And then, of course, once a lie has left the stable,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course is treated like absolute truth by those

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<v Speaker 2>wishing to spread the lie. Do I say misinformation that

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<v Speaker 2>they would want to ban from the Internet if it

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<v Speaker 2>was about them Q The PM.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Dutton is worse than Scott Morrison on climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>He is all negativity and no plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye, he's got a plan. You don't like the nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>energy plan. He's got the same destination of Metzerra twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>The interim targets of thirty five and thirty are all movable.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember none of it applies to China till twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and they pollute more than much of the Western world.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if we achieve everything the Greens wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what climate change would still affect all of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that they are particularly concerned about, because China would

0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.720
<v Speaker 2>produce all of what we take out of the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 2>in about two weeks misinformation. I've got the receipts. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you now. Guess what happened after the freak

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.960
<v Speaker 2>out of the past last twenty four and forty eight hours,

0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.080
<v Speaker 2>they came forward and clarified. Now this of course, will

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<v Speaker 2>be referred to as a backflip by the media who

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<v Speaker 2>printed labours Lie Today' Brian who was, of course the

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<v Speaker 2>climate change alternative for the LMP. He'd be the climate

0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.680
<v Speaker 2>change an energy minister quote, we remain committed to Paris

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<v Speaker 2>and to net zero. Any shorter term targets will be

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<v Speaker 2>informed by the state of our economy, the trajectory of

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<v Speaker 2>our emissions, and our suite of policies. So what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell has the past couple of days been about. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere read an interview with Peter Dutton in the Weekend

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<v Speaker 2>Australian and went ahha. They spun it up into He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to pull out of this international agreement and if so,

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<v Speaker 2>make himself completely unelectable in any seage in the country

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<v Speaker 2>that understands or cares or believes or knows about climate change,

0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and thus being all of the country, he will reduce

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<v Speaker 2>himself to a man who loses his own seat and

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<v Speaker 2>no Liberal will ever be elected ever. Again. Only problem

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<v Speaker 2>is I read you exactly what was said. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no reference to the Paris Agreement. The target conversation is

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<v Speaker 2>about the federal government's target, which they have said. Paris

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<v Speaker 2>didn't send it, the UN didn't send it. The Australian

0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.000
<v Speaker 2>government sets it, which means we can dial it up

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<v Speaker 2>and we can turn it down. That's the reality of

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<v Speaker 2>being a sovereign country. Now. Again, as I was skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>about last night, I didn't quite fall in for the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that this was definitely going to be the policy,

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<v Speaker 2>because of course I went back and read the document.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taken me what fifteen minutes on tell you to

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<v Speaker 2>explain all of it, But that arms you with the

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<v Speaker 2>information the next time somebody tries to spread this garbage

0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.320
<v Speaker 2>when inevitably Lefty Laura Tingle, who of course this is

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<v Speaker 2>telling us that Peter Dubden's policy on immigration, which is

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<v Speaker 2>slightly harsher but essentially kind of the same as the

0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 2>governments to cut the number that will cause riots in

0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the street. You know that people who will be bidding

0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:18.520
<v Speaker 2>in auctions will be turned upon by racist thugs. She

0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.959
<v Speaker 2>of course will turn around and repeat this idea. It

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 2>was the mesty weekend for the Liberal Party as they

0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.800
<v Speaker 2>were in and out and hokey pokey and were they

0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and weren't they on the Paris Agreement. That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking as much time to tell you that when you

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<v Speaker 2>read that, when you see that, when you hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not true. Let's get the cost of living, the

0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.960
<v Speaker 2>issue that we know that Australians care about every pole,

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<v Speaker 2>every time, every night, every week, every month, because this

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.199
<v Speaker 2>is about the quality of life that you have. And

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter if your kids have left the house,

0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you still have to find money to pay the bills.

0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.280
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter if you're in the prime of life

0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.680
<v Speaker 2>with kids in and around school, or you're a young

0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.439
<v Speaker 2>person who's trying to build a life. How much stuff

0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:08.000
<v Speaker 2>costs always matters. And the absolute truth for this government

0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.480
<v Speaker 2>is the absolute truth under the previous government, which is

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.119
<v Speaker 2>that government is not directly responsible for every price of

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<v Speaker 2>every item all the time. But this mob decided to

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.000
<v Speaker 2>weaponize it. It's part of the reason why they were

0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.120
<v Speaker 2>able to overtake the previous government, become the government and

0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.600
<v Speaker 2>assume that they would govern for the rest of our

0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.320
<v Speaker 2>natural lives. What was that promise? Again, that's right, a

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.520
<v Speaker 2>labor government will lower the cost of living. Yet by

0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.479
<v Speaker 2>every measure over the past two years, all of it

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<v Speaker 2>got worse than apparently the crisis point that we needed

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to change the government for this current Prime minister pointed

0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.000
<v Speaker 2>at the former one and I'm not fighting last election.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just holding them accountable for the promises that they made,

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<v Speaker 2>for the expectations that they set amongst the electorate. Dollars

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 2>seventy five was way too high for petrol. Now it

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.840
<v Speaker 2>would barely ever be under two bucks. And if it is, great,

0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.600
<v Speaker 2>buy it up because it's going back to two dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But also the things that I think have informed the

0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 2>poles that we are now talking about that Funnily enough,

0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.879
<v Speaker 2>much of the professional media, because you know, public holiday yesterday,

0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 2>when they get back to work tomorrow, we'll just pretend

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the polls didn't exist, because you know, the budget was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course Jim Chalmers, and they just never challenge him

0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:32.960
<v Speaker 2>when he says things like this.

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<v Speaker 5>These national accounts, so we got the budget settings right.

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<v Speaker 5>They justify our approach to fighting inflation and repairing the

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<v Speaker 5>budget without smashing the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Apart from the fact that the economy is smashed. Why

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<v Speaker 2>do I say that, Because while Australia as an economy

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<v Speaker 2>is not in an official recession, because for the past

0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 2>three months it grew by zero point one of a percent,

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.199
<v Speaker 2>the per capita recession, the one that you and I

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.679
<v Speaker 2>live in, has been one that has been going on

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.159
<v Speaker 2>for not one, not two, but five quarters, for the

0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:19.720
<v Speaker 2>best part of an entire year and another three months.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are some parts of the media that occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>will mention this and occasionally notice this while they're not

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to, you know, sort of lick the boots of

0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the government to make sure that they still get their

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:36.919
<v Speaker 2>interviews and still get the information from inside the machine instead,

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.439
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, even taxpayer media every now and

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 2>then can tell the truth like a broken clock. It

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>can be right twice a day as GDP stalls and

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.679
<v Speaker 2>the per capita recession deepens. But I didn't think we

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 2>had a per capita recession. We do economic parallels with

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen nineties. Eerie now. Of course, anyone who

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.160
<v Speaker 2>was around in the early nineteen nineties can remember where

0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the interest rates were. And of course we're not going

0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to get any winning seventeen percent. But when this bloke

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 2>was the Treasurer and ironically exactly the same age as

0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 2>grim Jim, was it loose Jim? That's right? That profile

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.719
<v Speaker 2>really never explained what he meant about being loose in

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 2>parliament when he was drinking anyway, that being, of course,

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Jim James. That well, the experience of a million people unemployed,

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.920
<v Speaker 2>high interest rates, all the rest of it, of course

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 2>goes back to this bloke. Well, guess what cost of living?

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yet again? Is another thing worth talking about over the

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 2>nine papers. Two years of tightening our belts, how spending

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>habits have changed under Alberanzi. But I thought everything was

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 2>cheaper under him. I thought everything was better. I thought

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing to see here. No one cares about

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>how bad the budget was since Anthony Abernezi was voted

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 2>into power. We've cut back on groceries by ten dollars

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to pay for other soaring expenses according to the National Accounts.

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the stuff I showed you last night. People have

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 2>also saved less to give them more budget room. The

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Commonwealth Bank's head of Australian Economics believes the extra money

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 2>that people put aside during the pandemic should probably be

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.880
<v Speaker 2>all gone by the end of the year. Now that's

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.679
<v Speaker 2>a problem because, as I've told you before, the number

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 2>of people with less than one thousand dollars in the

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>bank is very significant in Australia right now, the number

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of people who would not be able to pay for

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 2>an emergency replacement of their fridge, or repair for their car,

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 2>or their kids dental bill through the roof Bob nothing,

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 2>No one cares. The budget was amazing. It's going to

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 2>win them the next election. Welcome to wobonomics. Where as

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<v Speaker 2>long as they can fiddle the number, and I don't

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.280
<v Speaker 2>suggest fake the number, but I'm saying, you know, get

0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:00.399
<v Speaker 2>a number that makes them look good, like zero point

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>one percent of economic growth for the past three months,

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 2>then everything will be okay. But the reality in your

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 2>world is that a recession, which is two successive quarters

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 2>in per capita terms, is now five. So we're on

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 2>our way to our third definition of a recession. Yet

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the politics, of course, is pretty volatile, because you've got

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the media spreading lies on behalf of the government that

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>they prefer, pretending that what was entirely personal about the

0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 2>previous government it was Scott Morrison who personally was setting

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>interest rates, but now they've gone up twelve times since

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Albow came to power. It's all cyclical. It's Ukraine, it's Russia,

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 2>it's the Northern Lights, and we're doing something about the

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 2>cost of living, despite in fact it's the same people

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 2>who took fifteen hundred dollars off all of those people

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>who had no money in the bank in an automatic

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 2>tax return, one that should have been extended until we

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>were out of the times that we're currently in. They

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>took that away last year. This year they're handing you

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 2>back thirty six bucks a week, which for anyone is

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>not enough. And the patronizing tone of the people who

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>weren't hundreds of thousands of dollars in the Parliament and

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty much the same by talking about it in the media.

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh that'll be enough for them. It's not because apart

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 2>from other things, all of the things that you pay

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 2>for that's say the petrol bowser which has got tax

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>in it, or alcohol which has got tax in it,

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 2>or tobacco which has got tax in it, or you

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 2>to name it that it's got tax in it, all

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 2>of it goes up because the government keeps putting up

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 2>those taxes. So there is a giant gulf between how

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the government pretends the economy is awesome, but the reality

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 2>of your life, you know, it's bs And there are

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 2>even people inside labor world that are willing to say it.

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Walker has long given the labor perspective here on

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Sky News, and he notices exactly what I'm saying.

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 6>My view, and I think that's one that I maintained

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 6>consistently as well, is that the government has to be

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 6>dragging down interest rates and that means attacking inflation, and

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 6>that until such time as that happens, I think there

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 6>is going to be a lot of uncertainty in the polling,

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 6>and people are going to be concerned that it's harder

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:45.959
<v Speaker 6>and harder for them to make ends meet. That's an

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 6>international problem. When those interest rates do come down, isssuming

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 6>they do come down, then I think we'll get a

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 6>better indication of where the two parties stand in the

0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 6>eyes of the electric What's really driving people's thinking at

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 6>the moment is cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was it about all of the predictions about

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 2>when interest rates start to go down? Maybe November this year,

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<v Speaker 2>on November next year, all right, let's get to what

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<v Speaker 2>I know A lot of you are pete off about tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm exactly the same as you, steaming how offensive

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it is that two of the worst leaders during COVID

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 2>have received the highest possible honor, the same type of

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>honor that is given to former Prime ministers or former

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<v Speaker 2>Australians of the Year or people who cure cants are

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>people who do incredible things that the world would notice.

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<v Speaker 2>The highest version of the Order of Australia. It goes

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>to old mate Andrews and McGowan. Now, what is going

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to see you around the twist like me. Is not

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 2>just that they've got the little gold thing on their jackets.

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>That is very well earned by people who did it

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 2>in the volunteer world. It is not earned by the politician.

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just the final thank you on top of the

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:09.360
<v Speaker 2>lifetime pension and you got away with it. That comes.

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the official citations that I wanted to read to you.

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why Daniel Andrews and Mike McGowan

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 2>got the highest possible honor like the former Prime Minister,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 2>former Governor General qubit cancer level quote for Daniel Andrews

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 2>for eminent service to the people in Parliament of Victoria

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 2>to public health, to policy and regulatory reform and to

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>infrastructure development, to public health. Mark McGowan for eminent service

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>to the people of Western Australia to public health, education

0:27:50.320 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 2>and international trade relations. Public health. Okay, the Victorian government

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>had a quarantine system that was unlike every other state

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>because contracts it broke, and ninety nine percent of all

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>of the cases and all of the deaths that came

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>out of that time are directly linked back to the

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>failures of hotel quarantine. But he's getting a medal. Mark

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>McGowan was so defferent about his borders and let's keep

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the people out from the Eastern States that there was

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>a young bloke in Sydney who was having mental health

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 2>issues and he wanted to get back to Western Australia

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>where his parents were, and he couldn't and he killed himself.

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>And in both states there were people who died alone

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>because they keeping us. When, of course, even with all

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 2>of the vaccination that's happened, more people die of COVID

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>or with COVID now than at the height of all

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>of those times. It's despicable that these people got this recognition.

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 2>It's despicable that all of the people who suffered, and

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean like the guy who couldn't get home and

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>he killed himself, or the people who died alone without

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 2>their family members around them because it would be too

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>great a risk for somebody to hold their hand while

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>they died, that these bustards get a gold medal. It's

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the final fu to all of us who knew what

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>they were doing was wrong, the final way of rubbing

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>our noses in it that if you are a certain person,

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of a certain standing, of a certain power, you get

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>away with it. You get to laugh at all of

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the people who called you out because you're the winner

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>who left on their own terms and then got a

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>gold medal. Well on the behalf of all of the

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>people who are absolutely flummixed that these two blokes got

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:18.719
<v Speaker 2>gold medals. Screw you both. Your memory of what you

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>did to your people is nothing to be proud of.

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Here's some of the people fellow people annoyed at this announcement.

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<v Speaker 7>So we are now giving the highest civilian award to

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 7>an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 7>would like to know why it took so quickly and

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 7>whether in fact there has been political interference in him

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 7>being granted this award.

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 8>But parliamentarians are painted to a job and what we

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 8>need awards now to tell us that we're doing a job.

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 8>I don't believe in the award system for these Shining

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 8>Day honors. I think they've gone right off their head.

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 8>I'll be honest with you, and they should be given

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 8>out there to every day Australia. He's not politicians. We're

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 8>paid to do the job anyway. You don't get awards.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 8>We're all grown ups now. It's not a race.

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 9>Just get the job done.

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Does anyone think Jackie Lamby's going to turn hers down

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>at the end of her political career. We'll keep the

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<v Speaker 2>tape quick break back with more plea to talk about

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>here on Paul Murray Live. Lively debate is ahead if

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you'd like to send me an email Paultzgunews dot com

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 2>dot AU. Screw you Andrews, screw you mcgower, Thank you

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 2>so much for watching. Let's get into the conversation right

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>now so that Matt Canavan has enjoyed nothing but a

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>wonderful weekend in Queensland with the family and he's ready

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to fire up this evening, as is the delightful Linda Scott,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>who I've got to say lots of time I spent

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>in the city of Sydney over the past couple of

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>days Sydney Film Festival, etc.

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Etc.

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Love you to see you, my friend, So great to

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>be here. All right, now, let's get to the Paris Agreement.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So I had to take some time to explain three

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>paragraphs of an interview in the Australian newspaper, which clearly

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.719
<v Speaker 2>are about the forty three percent target that labor just

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>dialed up from where the previous government was. Is not

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>pulling out of the Paris Agreement, despite how excited some

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 2>people may be, because as I have said, my issue

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>with the Paris Agreement is that our one percent of

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the world's problem, we must do things compared to two

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five. But China can keep doing what it

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>wants to do with thirty percent of the emissions and

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing kicks in until twenty thirty for them. So I

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>will start with you, Matt. There must have been a

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>small part of you that was going, we're pulling out

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 2>of it. How good's this? You're not going to be

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>pulling out of it, So how do you feel about

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>where it sits now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Paul, I slightly disagree with you here.

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 10>The Paris Agreement does clearly say that governments can't backtrack

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 10>from the commitments. It makes so because labor has formally

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 10>now increased our target under that agreement. Notionally, a black

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 10>and white reading of the text of the Paris Agreement

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 10>means that the only way we can pull out way, sorry,

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 10>the only way we can reduce our missions target is.

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>To pull out.

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 10>Now, this just shows how absurd this agreement is, because

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 10>what it's effectively saying is that the sovereign parliaments democratically

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 10>elected by a government have to be subservient to an

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 10>international agreement signed back in twenty fifteen, and so potentially

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 10>this binds all future parliaments no matter what you vote for,

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 10>it's all useless. It doesn't matter who you vote for,

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 10>apparently because of this agreement.

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 10>Of course, in reality, governments around the world just ignoring

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 10>this text because there is no consequences to.

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Not complying with it.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 10>And so I think what would invariably happen if a

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 10>coalition government's elected is, yes, we wouldn't target the forty

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 10>three percent. Okay, some would say, oh, you're in breach

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 10>of Paris. Well, every other country in the world is.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 10>But ultimately, this is an absurd agreement. We should get

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 10>out of it because it is handcuffing, it cuffing us.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 10>It does dictate the rules to our bureaucrats, who are

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 10>increasingly putting the stop to major investments in this country

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 10>that can help our productivity.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>God do we need that.

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 10>And so ever since we've signed up to net zero,

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 10>we've had high prices, higher electricity prices, shocking levels of

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 10>productivity and therefore lower real wage growth. We've got to

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 10>pull out this thing and ignore it, just like the

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 10>rest of the world does.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I am going to simultaneously agree and push back on

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>what you've just said in a second. But Linda, the

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>politics here. You could see someone somewhere PM's office whatever

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 2>has gone that means pull out of Paris, quick, off

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>we go, CITDNY Morning Held, others run the headline Prime

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Minister's out. He's worse than ab but he's worse than Morrison,

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and sort of their fantasies of sort of this trumpy

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and alternative that exists right now was being presented. I

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 2>think the evidence is clear that they haven't said that,

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>But when you first heard about it, did you think,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 2>are they really going to do this?

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 9>Look, here's what the Paris Agreement means.

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 11>It means that there's a global race on for clean tech, jobs,

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 11>for innovation, for critical materials, to build the infrastructure that

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 11>we need to ensure that we can be part of

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 11>creating a better, cleaner, cheaper energy future. And we have

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 11>heard tonight from Matt Canavan that the opposition is declaring

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 11>they're pulling out of that race for critical.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 9>Minerals, for jobs, for innovations.

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Wish I spoke for them.

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>He's not a.

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 11>Membo over his shoulder, you know where. He's really clear

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 11>about how much he doesn't want to get zero. And

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 11>he's Matt Canavan. I'm just simply repeating back what he

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 11>continues to say about this.

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 9>But in not having a bipartisan you disb me.

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 10>You did verbal me because you were saying that you

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 10>did verbal me to just apologize because you said, but

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 10>the coalition would do that.

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 1>You can say I did that, but you did not

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>say that. You didn't know that.

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 11>Position about the Paris Agreement and climate targets. Generally, what

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 11>that does is put Australia's position in the race for

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 11>clean energy job on the line. It means they're at

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 11>risk and that is a big problem that Australians in

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 11>every corner of the nation should be very concerned about.

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 11>We know the coalition's proposal for nuclear energy is going

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 11>to take decades, it's more expensive. Independent agencies like the

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 11>CSIRO have.

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 9>Said this to us.

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 11>It is the wrong energy policy for the future and

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 11>the government is right to call out Peter Dutton for this.

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>The government is trying to take that in the post

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 2>incompetence into it's back in our favor because as soon

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>as we say ogo will go that I don't believe

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>in climate change, then suddenly everyone is going to run

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>back in the direction which brings me to where I

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>am him at, which is I agree with what you

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 2>say my personal opinion, right, but I am in charge

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of nothing. I'm just here having the national having the

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 2>conversation that we do and have for a very long

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>time and fingers crossed for a very long time into

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>the future, right. But I don't know where the politics

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>is right. I think one of the reasons why they

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 2>can't pull out of the Paris Agreement is because you

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>want to win seats in order to get near government

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>of Gilmore Lyons Lingiari, Bentelong, Higgins, Robertson, Tangy boothby McEwan Patterson.

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the ten most vulnerable seats for the Labor Party

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 2>without losing the ten seats for the Liberal Party, which

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>is Deacon stertin Moore, Means's, Bass, Casey Dixon, where the

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>leader is of course Kawper in New South Wales, Monash

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and Longman. So my point is I agree with you,

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know where the politics is on this

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 2>that I think the politics on breaking Paris or walking

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>away from Paris could see the trajectory change because of how,

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>in my view it will be actively misinterpreted. What do

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you think.

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 10>I think you're making us far too complicated, and I'm

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 10>on the side of the truth. I think that the truth,

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 10>the truth is the best policy, The truth is the

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 10>best political strategy.

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>We should have the courage to tell people the truth.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 10>And I think Australians doing it really tough right now,

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 10>and they're ready to hear politicians who are willing to

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 10>tell the truth, even if that truth is a little

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 10>bit tough to hear, even if it might shatter some

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 10>of their preconceived ideas, because we can see the consequences

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 10>of the lies we've been telling each other for the

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 10>last few years. We have been lying about saying that

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 10>look in that zero is easy, it's not going to

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 10>cost any money. You're actually going to save two hundred

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 10>and seventy five dollars off your power bills. They're the

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 10>lies that we're told to the Australian people, and now

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 10>we can see in front of our face the consequence

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 10>of those lies. We have standards of living that have

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 10>gone back to the year twenty eleven. People have gone

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 10>back ten years. People's country can't afford a home. Young

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 10>people have no future to be able to afford a home.

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.839
<v Speaker 10>Power prices of skyrocketing, and manufacturing industries. Every week there's

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 10>another major manufacturer leaving our shores. People can see that,

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 10>and I think they're ready for the truth. So let's

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 10>stop all this. Oh we want to win that seat

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 10>in this seat, and we've got to say this kind

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 10>of white lie and that let's just tell the truth.

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 10>And I reckon, just like Tony did back in twenty

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 10>ten when he told the truth about the carbon tax

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 10>and all the political class that he was moronic and

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 10>terrible and hopeless. He nearly won, effectively won the twenty

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 10>ten election. We could do the same if we just

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<v Speaker 10>had the courage to tell people the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I admire the balls it takes to be as

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>direct as Matt just was. Right, not because I agree

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 2>and I've said that I agree with the whole Paris situation,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, nobody speaks as honestly about their own

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<v Speaker 2>team as he just did then, And good on you

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for doing it, but I really appreciate it. But Linda,

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<v Speaker 2>it brings me to the final point right about Paris. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what is happening in the world. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what the consequences are of seven billion people and the

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>industrial revolution, all of the different I understand right what

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 2>is happening. But I also understand that Australia is going

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to have one hand tied behind its back while China

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<v Speaker 2>can pollute whatever it wants thirty times more than us

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 2>right now until twenty thirty to solve forty three of

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the world's problem. Well, does that seem

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 2>like a fair deal?

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<v Speaker 11>It is the deal that the world has come to,

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<v Speaker 11>and it is the job that sets the rules that

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 11>means that we're in a race for these jobs. And

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<v Speaker 11>Senator Canvan, you know Australians are smarter than you.

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<v Speaker 9>Give them credit for. I know you are smart, and

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<v Speaker 9>I know you know.

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<v Speaker 11>That correlation does not equal causation, and I know you

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<v Speaker 11>know full well that the economic global pressures that you're

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<v Speaker 11>describing are not as a result of the energy transition

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 11>that Australia is making. This is a global energy transition

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 11>in a race for jobs, and this is a global

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 11>set of economics inflation across the world as a result

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 11>of COVID and trying to pretend that those things go together.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>COVID false and.

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<v Speaker 2>Change light bulbs in Australia changes the pollution China is

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>putting into the atmosphere that in.

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<v Speaker 9>Going back for that, we're responsible for our own pollution.

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<v Speaker 9>And let's just be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get.

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<v Speaker 9>Use all the time government, Matt, and I know you

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<v Speaker 9>love genuinely.

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<v Speaker 11>I know you've got a lot of respect for the

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 11>local government. When you invest in prevention infrastructure, like retrofitting

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 11>your surf clubs so that they can also be evacuation

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:24.479
<v Speaker 11>centers in a disaster, one dollar for that saves eight

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 11>dollars for governments down the line for the destruction of

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 11>those kinds of places prevention and mitigation.

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 2>The storm is still going to happen because China in.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 11>The future, right, and let's be very clear, it's the

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 11>same clear climate that you are.

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<v Speaker 9>You are and ignores it.

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<v Speaker 11>It will cost Australians, it will cost the world more.

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 11>This is backwards economics and putting forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want China to be held to our standards

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<v Speaker 2>and then we can have a conversation about moving.

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<v Speaker 9>But that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a bond.

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Also, it doesn't matter what you do in yours, that's

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<v Speaker 2>mine does matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also important. It's not just China. It's not just China.

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<v Speaker 10>Last year, the US produced more oil than any country

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<v Speaker 10>in any year ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that was under the Biden stress and we look

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it up.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not telling Trump they produced more last year than

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<v Speaker 10>any country in any year.

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<v Speaker 1>Super there.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's if Trump with America, polling says where the

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 2>silly wrecker as well? So, and that's what I think

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:31.919
<v Speaker 2>is also part of the political back and forth. Year

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 2>is about you know, the biggest the biggest bear on

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 2>our side of global politics, right is the United States.

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Currently Biden elbow in the same place. If Biden goes

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and Trump replaces, then guess what it's not going to

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 2>be where Biden is right now on climate change, quick

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.240
<v Speaker 2>break back, but more lots to talk about. I promised

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that we're more than one subject that I wanted to

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>If you can take it, you can take it on

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>a Monday night, Thanks for watching. Thank you so much

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 2>for watching. Matt canavan to Scott and you at home

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 2>exactly the way that we like at this particular Monday night.

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<v Speaker 2>So Newspole tells us that things are back to fifty

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>fifty now. One of the reasons why the Prime Minister's

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>turned around and said, oh, I'm in a rule forever

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 2>is I've never lost a newspoll, which that's never been

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.240
<v Speaker 2>a problem for a Prime minister in the past, setting

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>news poll as the sole determinant of things. But still

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:24.720
<v Speaker 2>coalition vote thirty nine percent with preference discipline put simply

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 2>out of One Nation or United Australia party. That's pretty

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 2>damn competitive. However, of course, the race to seventy six

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>seats is all about the endgame. The tials would be

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.320
<v Speaker 2>an issue there. But Matt, I want to ask you again,

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you know people who would consider themselves much smarter than

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 2>little old me told us. No one cares about the

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Giles stuff. The budget was fantastic, you know, the

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>economy still moving on. Are we starting to see people

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>just not buying the bs anymore? Or frankly, there is

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>not an election this weekend, so you can say whatever

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 2>you want and then we'll see what happens when it

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>actually counts. How have you interpreted the numbers?

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<v Speaker 10>Look, I think this government's on thin ice with people,

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 10>and they're primarily on thin ice because they haven't lived

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.959
<v Speaker 10>up to the promises they made to the Australian people.

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 10>They said Anthony Elbernezi said it would be easier under him.

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 10>He said things would be cheaper under him, and clearly

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.919
<v Speaker 10>they haven't been. We've had record or inflation we haven't

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 10>seen for a generation, as I said before, real wages

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 10>going back to twenty eleven levels. People have gone back

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 10>more than a decade in just the two years of

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 10>this government. So that's principally the reason they're on thin ice.

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 10>And then look, yes, on top of that, you've had

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 10>this scandal and look, I can't think of a scandal

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 10>that's been of greater controversy or greater real world impacts here.

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've had a government.

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 10>Decide a policy, this so called Direction ninety nine, which

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 10>has allowed the most heinous criminals to stay in this

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 10>country when they should have been shipped off back to

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:01.879
<v Speaker 10>the country of their origin. I mean, these are I mean,

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 10>it's it's sickening to read the accounts here of these criminals.

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 10>Criminals have bashed their partners, they've they've they've committed the

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 10>most heinous sex and I'm going to describe against their

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 10>children or step children. And this government has been responsible

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 10>for doing that, this minister, and.

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Then he's been defended. And I mean, what do you

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 1>have to do to be sacked?

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's my Almost.

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 10>Every minutes have been sacked the last few years has

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 10>been sacked the less. And I think that's my top

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 10>of the top of what the broken promises.

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>It really is. I think a tough time for this government.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 1>They're on thin ice.

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's a rude awakening about their strategy.

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Their strategy which is, no matter how obvious, defend, you know,

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>just just put up the wall, never admit defeats. So therefore,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>eventually people just get tired of trying to mount an attack.

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not going to work because people are watching and

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 2>as you defend the indefensible, you start to fall into

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>a hole. Let's not get into that. We can do

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that another time in our life. Dagiel Er, Andrews and

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Mark mcgowantt Now I know that basically every high ranking

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 2>official ends up with a little gold medal at some

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 2>point in time. As premiers, they are entitled to it.

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>But again, good ones, bad ones, They've all got it.

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the citation for public health that sends me legit

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 2>real world DNA angry because of the people who died alone,

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 2>the people who couldn't cross borders and end up taking

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.359
<v Speaker 2>their own lot. There was all of that stuff, right,

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 2>and yes that was and that was all considered to

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 2>be less than whether the blob was going to come

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 2>around and get everyone. Shouldn't they just be cited as

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>former premier. We don't need to start to put on

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 2>their version of a CV as the reason why they

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 2>get the gold medal.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm obviously not on the Australia Day Council, so that's

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 11>a matter for them. They make recommendations that are pretty

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 11>independent to the governor General, who then, of course, I think,

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:56.439
<v Speaker 11>has to sign them off.

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 9>I do think that it's important.

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 11>To have Australia Day honors and honors over the King's Birthday.

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.840
<v Speaker 11>I think they're a lovely way of recognizing people's service.

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 11>I hear and respect the calls about the need for

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 11>sort of the reflection of community members in that, and

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 11>I certainly know I want to be really fair about this.

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 11>I know a lot of politicians on both sides who've

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 11>turned down their offers of Australia's awards.

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 9>And so I hear.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 11>I mean, of course there were liberal politicians honored this.

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 11>I think there are announced this morning, so there were

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.319
<v Speaker 11>liberal politicians in the list. So I don't think they

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 11>can kind of make parties and claims because there certainly

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.759
<v Speaker 11>were liberals in there that I actually thought were really

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 11>well deserving of their awards.

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 9>That they were given.

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 11>I also think there's a really important national COVID inquiry happening.

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 9>I gave evidence before it the other day. The impact

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 9>online governments.

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 11>Well, you know, I think it's important that we have

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 11>this COVID inquiry. I think it is important that we

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:01.320
<v Speaker 11>examine how Australia would respond if there were another significant

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 11>natural disaster.

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 9>That covered the whole nation or COVID. So you know,

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 9>I welcome their awards. Congratulations to them, Congratulations with politicians.

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 9>It's good.

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>You're too kind on these matters. You are too kind.

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I've got a little about twenty seconds for you,

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Matt on this one. This one. Look again, if one

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>came just premature.

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 10>These awards are premature. They should have been made to

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.839
<v Speaker 10>sit through a royal commission in public, as you say,

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 10>and let's just see what everything came out before they

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 10>got these awards. But it's too late for that. There's

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 10>a whitewash going on on that inquiry as well. Next

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 10>setting week, next setting week, I'll introduce a bill to

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 10>establish a Commission of Inquiry onto COVID.

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 1>It's the bottom of it.

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 10>I probably won't get the support as usual, but love

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 10>the support of your viewers in your shape, ul well.

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 2>That's it, God love you well. Get in touch with him.

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Virus website. All the socials given the strength of the

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 2>arm and then when it's introduced in the Parliament, we'll

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 2>give you the number and you can call all of

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the senators and keep them all on watch. That's a

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 2>really good thing. We'll make sure that the army is

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 2>behind you. Oh, he said, army. That means it's a

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 2>realization of our politics. No, it was a metaphor. See tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 7>Mm hm