Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Harry. Happy Monday, public holiday for many,
Speaker 2: normal day for some, but most importantly, thank you for
Speaker 2: watching us as always right here regardless of what's happening
Speaker 2: on the calendar here on Paul Murray Live. Lots to
Speaker 2: get to tonight, including a great debate as always, But
Speaker 2: first the Canbra bubble and the people who guard the
Speaker 2: people inside the bubble, the Cambra Press Gallery. They tried
Speaker 2: to tell us that no one cares about immigration. Andrew Giles,
Speaker 2: Yeah he should go, but the Prime Minister's awesome for
Speaker 2: keeping him around. No one cares. The same people told
Speaker 2: us that, jeez, this budget from Jim Chalmers, I'll tell you, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's going to win so many people over. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just a series of master strokes because he's really
Speaker 2: dealing with the cost of living, when, of course the
Speaker 2: reality you and I both day was people hating competence.
Speaker 2: That's what Andrew Giles is and people don't like Bs's
Speaker 2: which which is what Jim Chalmers is when it comes
Speaker 2: to his budget and the too little, too late to
Speaker 2: actually change anyone's life about cost of living. So surprise,
Speaker 2: surprise when the news poll dropped, surprisingly right in the
Speaker 2: middle of a long weekend for many. It showed a
Speaker 2: change in fortunes where Labor is falling back to basically
Speaker 2: where they were at the last election. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: the two party preferred now fifty to fifty. Now, given
Speaker 2: the way that the one hundred and fifty odd seats
Speaker 2: of the Parliament where they are and the seventy six
Speaker 2: that you need to become a government, the Labor Party
Speaker 2: ends up going. Okay, fifty to fifty is not bad.
Speaker 1: We're still in with a chance.
Speaker 2: In fact, we would end up in the minority, but
Speaker 2: still we would get more people on the cross bench
Speaker 2: because of those damned teels. But fifty to fifty, Remember
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said, I haven't lost a news poll yet. Well,
Speaker 2: you've got about as close as you can without actually
Speaker 2: losing a news poll. We'll see what happens again in
Speaker 2: about a month's time. Primary vote, though ALP thirty three percent,
Speaker 2: Liberal Party in National Party together thirty nine percent really
Speaker 2: important because the coalition in traditional elections would get very
Speaker 2: close to winning an election with a thirty nine percent
Speaker 2: primary vote. Why I keep this up, guys, because I
Speaker 2: just want to go up and down these numbers for people.
Speaker 2: Because in the same way that you turn around and
Speaker 2: see if you add the Greens eleven to Labour's thirty three,
Speaker 2: you'd get forty three percent. Well, if the majority of
Speaker 2: people who voted one nation ended up voting coalition, then
Speaker 2: of course that would end up as say forty five
Speaker 2: forty six percent. They would of course end up in front.
Speaker 2: So that question of other matters. Now, this can be
Speaker 2: everything from the left wing teel independence all the way
Speaker 2: through to the right wing freedom. Focused 're notited austrated party.
Speaker 2: But the central point is this, whichever way you plan
Speaker 2: to vote this upcoming election, your preferences always matter. You
Speaker 2: should always put the party that ultimately you want to
Speaker 2: provide ministers and a prime minister, rather than put them
Speaker 2: all last put them all No, no, you can't do that
Speaker 2: if you do that, or you end up in a
Speaker 2: scenario where Labor because many other candidates basically little proxies
Speaker 2: for the Labor Party, a lot of preference whispering goes
Speaker 2: on where all of it basically goes back to the
Speaker 2: Labor Party. So if you are somebody who would like
Speaker 2: to vote for your local independent for whatever reason. But
Speaker 2: then you'd really like the Liberal Party to be the government,
Speaker 2: well then you've got to put them a number two,
Speaker 2: and of course the same for Labor. Otherwise there is
Speaker 2: a chance that people who you think you're voting for
Speaker 2: are actually just all ways of distracting you from the
Speaker 2: vote that you really want to give. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: if an election was held right now, and it isn't,
Speaker 2: we're not in the middle of an election campaign. We are,
Speaker 2: of course quite some distance from now. I thought there
Speaker 2: was a chance of one in and around August. But
Speaker 2: if the numbers stay like this, which there's no suggestion
Speaker 2: it would change, they'd lose five seats. That means they'd
Speaker 2: end up on seventy two seats. Yes, they would end
Speaker 2: up with more seats than the Coalition, who may well
Speaker 2: get into the very high sixties. But this would mean
Speaker 2: the Labor Party would need least four cross benches to
Speaker 2: form the seventy six seats required to become the government.
Speaker 2: Where would they come from. Well, they can do a
Speaker 2: deal straight up with the Grands and bang they get
Speaker 2: their seventy six. Well they say they're not going to
Speaker 2: do that deal the Teals while they come from traditionally
Speaker 2: liberal seats, so why would they back them in. You
Speaker 2: don't think that Manik Ryan or many of the other
Speaker 2: pretty hardcore left wing and certainly in my view the
Speaker 2: Victorian Teals. While they could end up providing two of
Speaker 2: the votes that are required, as for the other, which
Speaker 2: is six, you've got a scenario there of people like
Speaker 2: Rebecca Sharky from Center Alliance, Catter of course from Kata's
Speaker 2: Australia Party, You've got Wilkie, a whole bunch of other ones.
Speaker 2: And then the actual list of cross Bench at the
Speaker 2: moment does also include two seats that are currently former
Speaker 2: Liberal or National people who decided to run away one
Speaker 2: Andrew g out of fear of the Teals coming for
Speaker 2: him at the next election, so he thought he could
Speaker 2: teal him self up, bizarre despite the primary vote he
Speaker 2: got at the last election in his seat. But still
Speaker 2: and then of course you have the Russell Broadbin who's
Speaker 2: annoyed that he's lost his preselection. So those seats are
Speaker 2: assumed to go back to the coalition. So the numbers
Speaker 2: are really tight. They're really tight because of the lack
Speaker 2: of performance from the government on actually dealing with the
Speaker 2: issue that you care about, which is cost of living
Speaker 2: them telling you that a few crumbs off the table
Speaker 2: is the greatest meal you've ever had in your life.
Speaker 2: And the Australian public says, no, thanks for the cash,
Speaker 2: but no, it's not going to change my or anyone
Speaker 2: else's world. And of course the incompetence of Andrew Giles,
Speaker 2: which we constantly kept being told by people inside the
Speaker 2: counter bubble no one is doesn't matter. Well, maybe they
Speaker 2: were paying attention to every single day where there was
Speaker 2: more evidence every single day that helped to build to
Speaker 2: the narrative. And I often talk about politics as narrative,
Speaker 2: not news. Good guys, bad guys, good ideas, bad ideas.
Speaker 2: And the narrative has well and truly been around the government.
Speaker 2: And it happens to be true that incompetence is accepted
Speaker 2: inside the government because to admit failure in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form would of course result in the weakening
Speaker 2: of a government. But of course the arrogance of not
Speaker 2: admitting their mistakes well has been rewarded with what you've
Speaker 2: just seen in the polls. But it's just the polls now,
Speaker 2: Remember the polls told us that don't know was leading
Speaker 2: Anthony Abernezi as preferred Prime Minister about this long away
Speaker 2: from the last federal election, and it didn't quite turn
Speaker 2: out that way, did it. So just as we've said
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, nothing is inevitable, and I repeat it
Speaker 2: now to anyone who thinks they definitely know what's happening
Speaker 2: at the next election. The most likely and most logical
Speaker 2: outcome is that we're going to be talking about minority government.
Speaker 2: Just how many people they have to go to the
Speaker 2: cross bench is the question between now and the election.
Speaker 2: But you saw well a little bit of dare i say,
Speaker 2: misinformation that was being spread instantly by the left wing
Speaker 2: media who want to firstly demonize Dutton but secondly of
Speaker 2: course put the Liberal Party in a box it can't
Speaker 2: fight its way out of, to be too extreme two
Speaker 2: right wing, all of that stuff that they then write
Speaker 2: about as all the reasons why the Liberal Party is lost,
Speaker 2: and of course the embodiment of that is none other
Speaker 2: than Peter Dutton, the one that they will try to
Speaker 2: turn out as Australia's version of Donald Trump, and Australians
Speaker 2: don't like Donald Trump, you get the point. And this
Speaker 2: was all because of headlines like this Dutton to pull
Speaker 2: Australia out of the Paris Agreement if elected. Now I've
Speaker 2: explained before the Paris Agreement is this, in my view,
Speaker 2: ludicrous global charter that says countries like Australia need to
Speaker 2: cut their emissions from the levels that were registered first
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. But countries like China are
Speaker 2: developing countries, you know, with space stations, but they don't
Speaker 2: have to start cutting their emissions until the number that
Speaker 2: they reach. In twenty thirty Australia is one percent of
Speaker 2: global emissions, China thirty percent and rising. So even if
Speaker 2: Australia did everything that was required of it, it still
Speaker 2: would of course be completely replaced by China and whatever
Speaker 2: it wants to do for the next six years. But
Speaker 2: the mere suggestion that Evil Trumpy and Peter Dutton was
Speaker 2: going to pull out of the Paris Agreement resulted in
Speaker 2: a freak out that if you were paying attention at
Speaker 2: all to the news in the long weekend for most
Speaker 2: of the country, you would think they're doing what.
Speaker 1: The Paris Accord's very clear.
Speaker 3: You can't backslide, you can't reduce your commitments. So is
Speaker 3: mister Dutton proposing to leave the Paris Accord or is
Speaker 3: he just hoping no one notices at the moment the
Speaker 3: countries outside the Paris Accord are Libya, Yemen and Iran.
Speaker 3: Is mister Dutton proposing to take Australia into that company.
Speaker 4: Pleader Dutton is walking away from climate action. His decision
Speaker 4: to abandon the twenty thirty target means him walking away
Speaker 4: from the Paris Accord. If you walk away from the
Speaker 4: Paris Accord, you'll be standing with Libya, Yemen and Iran.
Speaker 4: You can't shape the future if you're afraid.
Speaker 2: Of jeez, do you think they worked this one out
Speaker 2: mention all of those countries. Nobody would ever want to
Speaker 2: be say that he's all this stuff right. So remember,
Speaker 2: most countries that are signed up to the Paris Accord,
Speaker 2: by their own admissions at this stage, are not going
Speaker 2: to be able to meet the targets that they've set
Speaker 2: sixties down the road by twenty thirty. Even left wingers
Speaker 2: would say that Australia is unlikely to be able to
Speaker 2: get to the elbow figure of forty three percent of
Speaker 2: one percent in the next six years. Peter Dutton says
Speaker 2: ben goal for all signatories to the Paris Accord is,
Speaker 2: and it's zero twenty fifty, and he thinks that by
Speaker 2: things like nuclear power and a whole collection of other technologies,
Speaker 2: we will be able to reach net zero by twenty
Speaker 2: fifty and we won't have to really force the issue
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty. But of course lefties like the Greens
Speaker 2: and the Teals, well, they want us to be basically
Speaker 2: net zero yesterday. So you see how automatically you get
Speaker 2: this scenario where despite the fact that the end point
Speaker 2: is agreed on, how we get there is always up
Speaker 2: for negotiation, because I hate to break it to you,
Speaker 2: no government is forever, No prime ministership is forever, but
Speaker 2: that end goal is not changing. And just because we
Speaker 2: may or may not deliver on what Albo says is
Speaker 2: the target, of course Albo is not the forever prime minister.
Speaker 2: Should there be a change in prime minister, than that
Speaker 2: prime minister and their government would be able to set
Speaker 2: whatever target that they want. However, Anthony Abernici thinks he's
Speaker 2: outsmart at everyone with his forty tillywinks because he's passed
Speaker 2: a law and that law could never be changed unless,
Speaker 2: of course, there was a majority of people of the
Speaker 2: opposite political party who voted to do so because that's
Speaker 2: what they took to an election and they would be
Speaker 2: able to pass that law in the House and maybe
Speaker 2: the Senate. But I again spend tonight where we kind
Speaker 2: of did last night by going back to the reality
Speaker 2: of this scare campaign. And the next time you hear
Speaker 2: someone somewhere echoing Peter Dutton's going to pull at Paris accord. Oh,
Speaker 2: here's on fire. He doesn't care about can armor change
Speaker 2: the way that he should? Let's go back to the
Speaker 2: source of this outrage. Peter Dutton did an interview with
Speaker 2: the Weekend Australian that was published on Saturday, start of
Speaker 2: a three day weekend for most of the country. So
Speaker 2: it's okay if you didn't read it. I'm going to
Speaker 2: read you three paragraphs that apparently justified all of the
Speaker 2: outrage that you've just heard and all of the lies,
Speaker 2: the medi scale lies, lies that you will hear between
Speaker 2: now and the next federal election. Direct quote. He is
Speaker 2: committed to zero emissions by twenty fifty, but clearly twenty
Speaker 2: thirty and twenty thirty five targets are not going to
Speaker 2: bind a coalition's energy future, that being the legislative target
Speaker 2: that Anthony Abernezi has said. Instead, Dutton says I'll go
Speaker 2: to an election saying look that zero is locked in stone,
Speaker 2: no question. But how we get there that's up for
Speaker 2: people to debate. The direct quote that again set their
Speaker 2: hair on fire. Well, they Labor just have no hope
Speaker 2: of achieving their targets, and there's no sense in signing
Speaker 2: up to targets that you don't have any prospect of achieving.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, are you shaking in your boots? Does this
Speaker 2: sound like the guy who doesn't believe in climate change
Speaker 2: that's just going to start up a nuclear reactor on
Speaker 2: everyone's backyard. Third paragraph, We're not going to destroy agriculture.
Speaker 2: We're not going to stifle investment. We're already seeing investment
Speaker 2: being withdrawn. We're not going to create sovereign risk with
Speaker 2: our export partners as Labor is going to do with
Speaker 2: Japan and Korea. Mind blown?
Speaker 1: Could you believe he said any of this? How outrageous.
Speaker 2: He's not saying he doesn't believe in climate change. He's
Speaker 2: not saying climate change is crap. He's not saying, hey,
Speaker 2: let's all just start smoking coal. Seriously, those are the
Speaker 2: three paragraphs that informed the headlines. Which of course were
Speaker 2: all sputon by government spin doctors to pretend that they're
Speaker 2: going to pull out of the Paris Accord. But again
Speaker 2: they assume public holiday, you're not really paying attention. A
Speaker 2: few people are going to go He's going to do what?
Speaker 2: And then, of course, once a lie has left the stable,
Speaker 2: and of course is treated like absolute truth by those
Speaker 2: wishing to spread the lie. Do I say misinformation that
Speaker 2: they would want to ban from the Internet if it
Speaker 2: was about them Q The PM.
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton is worse than Scott Morrison on climate change.
Speaker 4: He is all negativity and no plan.
Speaker 2: Ye, he's got a plan. You don't like the nuclear
Speaker 2: energy plan. He's got the same destination of Metzerra twenty fifty.
Speaker 2: The interim targets of thirty five and thirty are all movable.
Speaker 2: And remember none of it applies to China till twenty
Speaker 2: thirty and they pollute more than much of the Western world.
Speaker 2: And even if we achieve everything the Greens wanted to do,
Speaker 2: guess what climate change would still affect all of the
Speaker 2: things that they are particularly concerned about, because China would
Speaker 2: produce all of what we take out of the atmosphere
Speaker 2: in about two weeks misinformation. I've got the receipts. Don't worry,
Speaker 2: I'll show you now. Guess what happened after the freak
Speaker 2: out of the past last twenty four and forty eight hours,
Speaker 2: they came forward and clarified. Now this of course, will
Speaker 2: be referred to as a backflip by the media who
Speaker 2: printed labours Lie Today' Brian who was, of course the
Speaker 2: climate change alternative for the LMP. He'd be the climate
Speaker 2: change an energy minister quote, we remain committed to Paris
Speaker 2: and to net zero. Any shorter term targets will be
Speaker 2: informed by the state of our economy, the trajectory of
Speaker 2: our emissions, and our suite of policies. So what the
Speaker 2: hell has the past couple of days been about. Someone
Speaker 2: somewhere read an interview with Peter Dutton in the Weekend
Speaker 2: Australian and went ahha. They spun it up into He's
Speaker 2: going to pull out of this international agreement and if so,
Speaker 2: make himself completely unelectable in any seage in the country
Speaker 2: that understands or cares or believes or knows about climate change,
Speaker 2: and thus being all of the country, he will reduce
Speaker 2: himself to a man who loses his own seat and
Speaker 2: no Liberal will ever be elected ever. Again. Only problem
Speaker 2: is I read you exactly what was said. There is
Speaker 2: no reference to the Paris Agreement. The target conversation is
Speaker 2: about the federal government's target, which they have said. Paris
Speaker 2: didn't send it, the UN didn't send it. The Australian
Speaker 2: government sets it, which means we can dial it up
Speaker 2: and we can turn it down. That's the reality of
Speaker 2: being a sovereign country. Now. Again, as I was skeptical
Speaker 2: about last night, I didn't quite fall in for the
Speaker 2: idea that this was definitely going to be the policy,
Speaker 2: because of course I went back and read the document.
Speaker 2: It's taken me what fifteen minutes on tell you to
Speaker 2: explain all of it, But that arms you with the
Speaker 2: information the next time somebody tries to spread this garbage
Speaker 2: when inevitably Lefty Laura Tingle, who of course this is
Speaker 2: telling us that Peter Dubden's policy on immigration, which is
Speaker 2: slightly harsher but essentially kind of the same as the
Speaker 2: governments to cut the number that will cause riots in
Speaker 2: the street. You know that people who will be bidding
Speaker 2: in auctions will be turned upon by racist thugs. She
Speaker 2: of course will turn around and repeat this idea. It
Speaker 2: was the mesty weekend for the Liberal Party as they
Speaker 2: were in and out and hokey pokey and were they
Speaker 2: and weren't they on the Paris Agreement. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: taking as much time to tell you that when you
Speaker 2: read that, when you see that, when you hear that,
Speaker 2: it's not true. Let's get the cost of living, the
Speaker 2: issue that we know that Australians care about every pole,
Speaker 2: every time, every night, every week, every month, because this
Speaker 2: is about the quality of life that you have. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if your kids have left the house,
Speaker 2: you still have to find money to pay the bills.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're in the prime of life
Speaker 2: with kids in and around school, or you're a young
Speaker 2: person who's trying to build a life. How much stuff
Speaker 2: costs always matters. And the absolute truth for this government
Speaker 2: is the absolute truth under the previous government, which is
Speaker 2: that government is not directly responsible for every price of
Speaker 2: every item all the time. But this mob decided to
Speaker 2: weaponize it. It's part of the reason why they were
Speaker 2: able to overtake the previous government, become the government and
Speaker 2: assume that they would govern for the rest of our
Speaker 2: natural lives. What was that promise? Again, that's right, a
Speaker 2: labor government will lower the cost of living. Yet by
Speaker 2: every measure over the past two years, all of it
Speaker 2: got worse than apparently the crisis point that we needed
Speaker 2: to change the government for this current Prime minister pointed
Speaker 2: at the former one and I'm not fighting last election.
Speaker 2: I'm just holding them accountable for the promises that they made,
Speaker 2: for the expectations that they set amongst the electorate. Dollars
Speaker 2: seventy five was way too high for petrol. Now it
Speaker 2: would barely ever be under two bucks. And if it is, great,
Speaker 2: buy it up because it's going back to two dollars.
Speaker 2: But also the things that I think have informed the
Speaker 2: poles that we are now talking about that Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: much of the professional media, because you know, public holiday yesterday,
Speaker 2: when they get back to work tomorrow, we'll just pretend
Speaker 2: the polls didn't exist, because you know, the budget was awesome.
Speaker 2: Of course Jim Chalmers, and they just never challenge him
Speaker 2: when he says things like this.
Speaker 5: These national accounts, so we got the budget settings right.
Speaker 5: They justify our approach to fighting inflation and repairing the
Speaker 5: budget without smashing the economy.
Speaker 2: Apart from the fact that the economy is smashed. Why
Speaker 2: do I say that, Because while Australia as an economy
Speaker 2: is not in an official recession, because for the past
Speaker 2: three months it grew by zero point one of a percent,
Speaker 2: the per capita recession, the one that you and I
Speaker 2: live in, has been one that has been going on
Speaker 2: for not one, not two, but five quarters, for the
Speaker 2: best part of an entire year and another three months.
Speaker 2: And there are some parts of the media that occasionally
Speaker 2: will mention this and occasionally notice this while they're not
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, sort of lick the boots of
Speaker 2: the government to make sure that they still get their
Speaker 2: interviews and still get the information from inside the machine instead,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, even taxpayer media every now and
Speaker 2: then can tell the truth like a broken clock. It
Speaker 2: can be right twice a day as GDP stalls and
Speaker 2: the per capita recession deepens. But I didn't think we
Speaker 2: had a per capita recession. We do economic parallels with
Speaker 2: the early nineteen nineties. Eerie now. Of course, anyone who
Speaker 2: was around in the early nineteen nineties can remember where
Speaker 2: the interest rates were. And of course we're not going
Speaker 2: to get any winning seventeen percent. But when this bloke
Speaker 2: was the Treasurer and ironically exactly the same age as
Speaker 2: grim Jim, was it loose Jim? That's right? That profile
Speaker 2: really never explained what he meant about being loose in
Speaker 2: parliament when he was drinking anyway, that being, of course,
Speaker 2: Jim James. That well, the experience of a million people unemployed,
Speaker 2: high interest rates, all the rest of it, of course
Speaker 2: goes back to this bloke. Well, guess what cost of living?
Speaker 2: Yet again? Is another thing worth talking about over the
Speaker 2: nine papers. Two years of tightening our belts, how spending
Speaker 2: habits have changed under Alberanzi. But I thought everything was
Speaker 2: cheaper under him. I thought everything was better. I thought
Speaker 2: there was nothing to see here. No one cares about
Speaker 2: how bad the budget was since Anthony Abernezi was voted
Speaker 2: into power. We've cut back on groceries by ten dollars
Speaker 2: to pay for other soaring expenses according to the National Accounts.
Speaker 2: That's the stuff I showed you last night. People have
Speaker 2: also saved less to give them more budget room. The
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Bank's head of Australian Economics believes the extra money
Speaker 2: that people put aside during the pandemic should probably be
Speaker 2: all gone by the end of the year. Now that's
Speaker 2: a problem because, as I've told you before, the number
Speaker 2: of people with less than one thousand dollars in the
Speaker 2: bank is very significant in Australia right now, the number
Speaker 2: of people who would not be able to pay for
Speaker 2: an emergency replacement of their fridge, or repair for their car,
Speaker 2: or their kids dental bill through the roof Bob nothing,
Speaker 2: No one cares. The budget was amazing. It's going to
Speaker 2: win them the next election. Welcome to wobonomics. Where as
Speaker 2: long as they can fiddle the number, and I don't
Speaker 2: suggest fake the number, but I'm saying, you know, get
Speaker 2: a number that makes them look good, like zero point
Speaker 2: one percent of economic growth for the past three months,
Speaker 2: then everything will be okay. But the reality in your
Speaker 2: world is that a recession, which is two successive quarters
Speaker 2: in per capita terms, is now five. So we're on
Speaker 2: our way to our third definition of a recession. Yet
Speaker 2: the politics, of course, is pretty volatile, because you've got
Speaker 2: the media spreading lies on behalf of the government that
Speaker 2: they prefer, pretending that what was entirely personal about the
Speaker 2: previous government it was Scott Morrison who personally was setting
Speaker 2: interest rates, but now they've gone up twelve times since
Speaker 2: Albow came to power. It's all cyclical. It's Ukraine, it's Russia,
Speaker 2: it's the Northern Lights, and we're doing something about the
Speaker 2: cost of living, despite in fact it's the same people
Speaker 2: who took fifteen hundred dollars off all of those people
Speaker 2: who had no money in the bank in an automatic
Speaker 2: tax return, one that should have been extended until we
Speaker 2: were out of the times that we're currently in. They
Speaker 2: took that away last year. This year they're handing you
Speaker 2: back thirty six bucks a week, which for anyone is
Speaker 2: not enough. And the patronizing tone of the people who
Speaker 2: weren't hundreds of thousands of dollars in the Parliament and
Speaker 2: pretty much the same by talking about it in the media.
Speaker 2: Oh that'll be enough for them. It's not because apart
Speaker 2: from other things, all of the things that you pay
Speaker 2: for that's say the petrol bowser which has got tax
Speaker 2: in it, or alcohol which has got tax in it,
Speaker 2: or tobacco which has got tax in it, or you
Speaker 2: to name it that it's got tax in it, all
Speaker 2: of it goes up because the government keeps putting up
Speaker 2: those taxes. So there is a giant gulf between how
Speaker 2: the government pretends the economy is awesome, but the reality
Speaker 2: of your life, you know, it's bs And there are
Speaker 2: even people inside labor world that are willing to say it.
Speaker 2: Bruce Walker has long given the labor perspective here on
Speaker 2: Sky News, and he notices exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: My view, and I think that's one that I maintained
Speaker 6: consistently as well, is that the government has to be
Speaker 6: dragging down interest rates and that means attacking inflation, and
Speaker 6: that until such time as that happens, I think there
Speaker 6: is going to be a lot of uncertainty in the polling,
Speaker 6: and people are going to be concerned that it's harder
Speaker 6: and harder for them to make ends meet. That's an
Speaker 6: international problem. When those interest rates do come down, isssuming
Speaker 6: they do come down, then I think we'll get a
Speaker 6: better indication of where the two parties stand in the
Speaker 6: eyes of the electric What's really driving people's thinking at
Speaker 6: the moment is cost of living.
Speaker 2: And what was it about all of the predictions about
Speaker 2: when interest rates start to go down? Maybe November this year,
Speaker 2: on November next year, all right, let's get to what
Speaker 2: I know A lot of you are pete off about tonight,
Speaker 2: and I'm exactly the same as you, steaming how offensive
Speaker 2: it is that two of the worst leaders during COVID
Speaker 2: have received the highest possible honor, the same type of
Speaker 2: honor that is given to former Prime ministers or former
Speaker 2: Australians of the Year or people who cure cants are
Speaker 2: people who do incredible things that the world would notice.
Speaker 2: The highest version of the Order of Australia. It goes
Speaker 2: to old mate Andrews and McGowan. Now, what is going
Speaker 2: to see you around the twist like me. Is not
Speaker 2: just that they've got the little gold thing on their jackets.
Speaker 2: That is very well earned by people who did it
Speaker 2: in the volunteer world. It is not earned by the politician.
Speaker 2: It's just the final thank you on top of the
Speaker 2: lifetime pension and you got away with it. That comes.
Speaker 2: It's the official citations that I wanted to read to you.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why Daniel Andrews and Mike McGowan
Speaker 2: got the highest possible honor like the former Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: former Governor General qubit cancer level quote for Daniel Andrews
Speaker 2: for eminent service to the people in Parliament of Victoria
Speaker 2: to public health, to policy and regulatory reform and to
Speaker 2: infrastructure development, to public health. Mark McGowan for eminent service
Speaker 2: to the people of Western Australia to public health, education
Speaker 2: and international trade relations. Public health. Okay, the Victorian government
Speaker 2: had a quarantine system that was unlike every other state
Speaker 2: because contracts it broke, and ninety nine percent of all
Speaker 2: of the cases and all of the deaths that came
Speaker 2: out of that time are directly linked back to the
Speaker 2: failures of hotel quarantine. But he's getting a medal. Mark
Speaker 2: McGowan was so defferent about his borders and let's keep
Speaker 2: the people out from the Eastern States that there was
Speaker 2: a young bloke in Sydney who was having mental health
Speaker 2: issues and he wanted to get back to Western Australia
Speaker 2: where his parents were, and he couldn't and he killed himself.
Speaker 2: And in both states there were people who died alone
Speaker 2: because they keeping us. When, of course, even with all
Speaker 2: of the vaccination that's happened, more people die of COVID
Speaker 2: or with COVID now than at the height of all
Speaker 2: of those times. It's despicable that these people got this recognition.
Speaker 2: It's despicable that all of the people who suffered, and
Speaker 2: I mean like the guy who couldn't get home and
Speaker 2: he killed himself, or the people who died alone without
Speaker 2: their family members around them because it would be too
Speaker 2: great a risk for somebody to hold their hand while
Speaker 2: they died, that these bustards get a gold medal. It's
Speaker 2: the final fu to all of us who knew what
Speaker 2: they were doing was wrong, the final way of rubbing
Speaker 2: our noses in it that if you are a certain person,
Speaker 2: of a certain standing, of a certain power, you get
Speaker 2: away with it. You get to laugh at all of
Speaker 2: the people who called you out because you're the winner
Speaker 2: who left on their own terms and then got a
Speaker 2: gold medal. Well on the behalf of all of the
Speaker 2: people who are absolutely flummixed that these two blokes got
Speaker 2: gold medals. Screw you both. Your memory of what you
Speaker 2: did to your people is nothing to be proud of.
Speaker 2: Here's some of the people fellow people annoyed at this announcement.
Speaker 7: So we are now giving the highest civilian award to
Speaker 7: an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I
Speaker 7: would like to know why it took so quickly and
Speaker 7: whether in fact there has been political interference in him
Speaker 7: being granted this award.
Speaker 8: But parliamentarians are painted to a job and what we
Speaker 8: need awards now to tell us that we're doing a job.
Speaker 8: I don't believe in the award system for these Shining
Speaker 8: Day honors. I think they've gone right off their head.
Speaker 8: I'll be honest with you, and they should be given
Speaker 8: out there to every day Australia. He's not politicians. We're
Speaker 8: paid to do the job anyway. You don't get awards.
Speaker 8: We're all grown ups now. It's not a race.
Speaker 9: Just get the job done.
Speaker 2: Does anyone think Jackie Lamby's going to turn hers down
Speaker 2: at the end of her political career. We'll keep the
Speaker 2: tape quick break back with more plea to talk about
Speaker 2: here on Paul Murray Live. Lively debate is ahead if
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Speaker 2: dot AU. Screw you Andrews, screw you mcgower, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for watching. Let's get into the conversation right
Speaker 2: now so that Matt Canavan has enjoyed nothing but a
Speaker 2: wonderful weekend in Queensland with the family and he's ready
Speaker 2: to fire up this evening, as is the delightful Linda Scott,
Speaker 2: who I've got to say lots of time I spent
Speaker 2: in the city of Sydney over the past couple of
Speaker 2: days Sydney Film Festival, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 2: Love you to see you, my friend, So great to
Speaker 2: be here. All right, now, let's get to the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 2: So I had to take some time to explain three
Speaker 2: paragraphs of an interview in the Australian newspaper, which clearly
Speaker 2: are about the forty three percent target that labor just
Speaker 2: dialed up from where the previous government was. Is not
Speaker 2: pulling out of the Paris Agreement, despite how excited some
Speaker 2: people may be, because as I have said, my issue
Speaker 2: with the Paris Agreement is that our one percent of
Speaker 2: the world's problem, we must do things compared to two
Speaker 2: thousand and five. But China can keep doing what it
Speaker 2: wants to do with thirty percent of the emissions and
Speaker 2: nothing kicks in until twenty thirty for them. So I
Speaker 2: will start with you, Matt. There must have been a
Speaker 2: small part of you that was going, we're pulling out
Speaker 2: of it. How good's this? You're not going to be
Speaker 2: pulling out of it, So how do you feel about
Speaker 2: where it sits now.
Speaker 1: Well, Paul, I slightly disagree with you here.
Speaker 10: The Paris Agreement does clearly say that governments can't backtrack
Speaker 10: from the commitments. It makes so because labor has formally
Speaker 10: now increased our target under that agreement. Notionally, a black
Speaker 10: and white reading of the text of the Paris Agreement
Speaker 10: means that the only way we can pull out way, sorry,
Speaker 10: the only way we can reduce our missions target is.
Speaker 1: To pull out.
Speaker 10: Now, this just shows how absurd this agreement is, because
Speaker 10: what it's effectively saying is that the sovereign parliaments democratically
Speaker 10: elected by a government have to be subservient to an
Speaker 10: international agreement signed back in twenty fifteen, and so potentially
Speaker 10: this binds all future parliaments no matter what you vote for,
Speaker 10: it's all useless. It doesn't matter who you vote for,
Speaker 10: apparently because of this agreement.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 10: Of course, in reality, governments around the world just ignoring
Speaker 10: this text because there is no consequences to.
Speaker 1: Not complying with it.
Speaker 10: And so I think what would invariably happen if a
Speaker 10: coalition government's elected is, yes, we wouldn't target the forty
Speaker 10: three percent. Okay, some would say, oh, you're in breach
Speaker 10: of Paris. Well, every other country in the world is.
Speaker 10: But ultimately, this is an absurd agreement. We should get
Speaker 10: out of it because it is handcuffing, it cuffing us.
Speaker 10: It does dictate the rules to our bureaucrats, who are
Speaker 10: increasingly putting the stop to major investments in this country
Speaker 10: that can help our productivity.
Speaker 1: God do we need that.
Speaker 10: And so ever since we've signed up to net zero,
Speaker 10: we've had high prices, higher electricity prices, shocking levels of
Speaker 10: productivity and therefore lower real wage growth. We've got to
Speaker 10: pull out this thing and ignore it, just like the
Speaker 10: rest of the world does.
Speaker 2: I am going to simultaneously agree and push back on
Speaker 2: what you've just said in a second. But Linda, the
Speaker 2: politics here. You could see someone somewhere PM's office whatever
Speaker 2: has gone that means pull out of Paris, quick, off
Speaker 2: we go, CITDNY Morning Held, others run the headline Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's out. He's worse than ab but he's worse than Morrison,
Speaker 2: and sort of their fantasies of sort of this trumpy
Speaker 2: and alternative that exists right now was being presented. I
Speaker 2: think the evidence is clear that they haven't said that,
Speaker 2: But when you first heard about it, did you think,
Speaker 2: are they really going to do this?
Speaker 9: Look, here's what the Paris Agreement means.
Speaker 11: It means that there's a global race on for clean tech, jobs,
Speaker 11: for innovation, for critical materials, to build the infrastructure that
Speaker 11: we need to ensure that we can be part of
Speaker 11: creating a better, cleaner, cheaper energy future. And we have
Speaker 11: heard tonight from Matt Canavan that the opposition is declaring
Speaker 11: they're pulling out of that race for critical.
Speaker 9: Minerals, for jobs, for innovations.
Speaker 1: Wish I spoke for them.
Speaker 2: He's not a.
Speaker 11: Membo over his shoulder, you know where. He's really clear
Speaker 11: about how much he doesn't want to get zero. And
Speaker 11: he's Matt Canavan. I'm just simply repeating back what he
Speaker 11: continues to say about this.
Speaker 9: But in not having a bipartisan you disb me.
Speaker 10: You did verbal me because you were saying that you
Speaker 10: did verbal me to just apologize because you said, but
Speaker 10: the coalition would do that.
Speaker 1: You can say I did that, but you did not
Speaker 1: say that. You didn't know that.
Speaker 11: Position about the Paris Agreement and climate targets. Generally, what
Speaker 11: that does is put Australia's position in the race for
Speaker 11: clean energy job on the line. It means they're at
Speaker 11: risk and that is a big problem that Australians in
Speaker 11: every corner of the nation should be very concerned about.
Speaker 11: We know the coalition's proposal for nuclear energy is going
Speaker 11: to take decades, it's more expensive. Independent agencies like the
Speaker 11: CSIRO have.
Speaker 9: Said this to us.
Speaker 11: It is the wrong energy policy for the future and
Speaker 11: the government is right to call out Peter Dutton for this.
Speaker 2: The government is trying to take that in the post
Speaker 2: incompetence into it's back in our favor because as soon
Speaker 2: as we say ogo will go that I don't believe
Speaker 2: in climate change, then suddenly everyone is going to run
Speaker 2: back in the direction which brings me to where I
Speaker 2: am him at, which is I agree with what you
Speaker 2: say my personal opinion, right, but I am in charge
Speaker 2: of nothing. I'm just here having the national having the
Speaker 2: conversation that we do and have for a very long
Speaker 2: time and fingers crossed for a very long time into
Speaker 2: the future, right. But I don't know where the politics
Speaker 2: is right. I think one of the reasons why they
Speaker 2: can't pull out of the Paris Agreement is because you
Speaker 2: want to win seats in order to get near government
Speaker 2: of Gilmore Lyons Lingiari, Bentelong, Higgins, Robertson, Tangy boothby McEwan Patterson.
Speaker 2: That's the ten most vulnerable seats for the Labor Party
Speaker 2: without losing the ten seats for the Liberal Party, which
Speaker 2: is Deacon stertin Moore, Means's, Bass, Casey Dixon, where the
Speaker 2: leader is of course Kawper in New South Wales, Monash
Speaker 2: and Longman. So my point is I agree with you,
Speaker 2: but I don't know where the politics is on this
Speaker 2: that I think the politics on breaking Paris or walking
Speaker 2: away from Paris could see the trajectory change because of how,
Speaker 2: in my view it will be actively misinterpreted. What do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 10: I think you're making us far too complicated, and I'm
Speaker 10: on the side of the truth. I think that the truth,
Speaker 10: the truth is the best policy, The truth is the
Speaker 10: best political strategy.
Speaker 1: We should have the courage to tell people the truth.
Speaker 10: And I think Australians doing it really tough right now,
Speaker 10: and they're ready to hear politicians who are willing to
Speaker 10: tell the truth, even if that truth is a little
Speaker 10: bit tough to hear, even if it might shatter some
Speaker 10: of their preconceived ideas, because we can see the consequences
Speaker 10: of the lies we've been telling each other for the
Speaker 10: last few years. We have been lying about saying that
Speaker 10: look in that zero is easy, it's not going to
Speaker 10: cost any money. You're actually going to save two hundred
Speaker 10: and seventy five dollars off your power bills. They're the
Speaker 10: lies that we're told to the Australian people, and now
Speaker 10: we can see in front of our face the consequence
Speaker 10: of those lies. We have standards of living that have
Speaker 10: gone back to the year twenty eleven. People have gone
Speaker 10: back ten years. People's country can't afford a home. Young
Speaker 10: people have no future to be able to afford a home.
Speaker 10: Power prices of skyrocketing, and manufacturing industries. Every week there's
Speaker 10: another major manufacturer leaving our shores. People can see that,
Speaker 10: and I think they're ready for the truth. So let's
Speaker 10: stop all this. Oh we want to win that seat
Speaker 10: in this seat, and we've got to say this kind
Speaker 10: of white lie and that let's just tell the truth.
Speaker 10: And I reckon, just like Tony did back in twenty
Speaker 10: ten when he told the truth about the carbon tax
Speaker 10: and all the political class that he was moronic and
Speaker 10: terrible and hopeless. He nearly won, effectively won the twenty
Speaker 10: ten election. We could do the same if we just
Speaker 10: had the courage to tell people the truth.
Speaker 2: Now I admire the balls it takes to be as
Speaker 2: direct as Matt just was. Right, not because I agree
Speaker 2: and I've said that I agree with the whole Paris situation,
Speaker 2: but you know, nobody speaks as honestly about their own
Speaker 2: team as he just did then, And good on you
Speaker 2: for doing it, but I really appreciate it. But Linda,
Speaker 2: it brings me to the final point right about Paris. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand what is happening in the world. I understand
Speaker 2: what the consequences are of seven billion people and the
Speaker 2: industrial revolution, all of the different I understand right what
Speaker 2: is happening. But I also understand that Australia is going
Speaker 2: to have one hand tied behind its back while China
Speaker 2: can pollute whatever it wants thirty times more than us
Speaker 2: right now until twenty thirty to solve forty three of
Speaker 2: one percent of the world's problem. Well, does that seem
Speaker 2: like a fair deal?
Speaker 11: It is the deal that the world has come to,
Speaker 11: and it is the job that sets the rules that
Speaker 11: means that we're in a race for these jobs. And
Speaker 11: Senator Canvan, you know Australians are smarter than you.
Speaker 9: Give them credit for. I know you are smart, and
Speaker 9: I know you know.
Speaker 11: That correlation does not equal causation, and I know you
Speaker 11: know full well that the economic global pressures that you're
Speaker 11: describing are not as a result of the energy transition
Speaker 11: that Australia is making. This is a global energy transition
Speaker 11: in a race for jobs, and this is a global
Speaker 11: set of economics inflation across the world as a result
Speaker 11: of COVID and trying to pretend that those things go together.
Speaker 1: COVID false and.
Speaker 2: Change light bulbs in Australia changes the pollution China is
Speaker 2: putting into the atmosphere that in.
Speaker 9: Going back for that, we're responsible for our own pollution.
Speaker 9: And let's just be clear.
Speaker 1: I'll get.
Speaker 9: Use all the time government, Matt, and I know you
Speaker 9: love genuinely.
Speaker 11: I know you've got a lot of respect for the
Speaker 11: local government. When you invest in prevention infrastructure, like retrofitting
Speaker 11: your surf clubs so that they can also be evacuation
Speaker 11: centers in a disaster, one dollar for that saves eight
Speaker 11: dollars for governments down the line for the destruction of
Speaker 11: those kinds of places prevention and mitigation.
Speaker 2: The storm is still going to happen because China in.
Speaker 11: The future, right, and let's be very clear, it's the
Speaker 11: same clear climate that you are.
Speaker 9: You are and ignores it.
Speaker 11: It will cost Australians, it will cost the world more.
Speaker 11: This is backwards economics and putting forward.
Speaker 2: I just want China to be held to our standards
Speaker 2: and then we can have a conversation about moving.
Speaker 9: But that's not.
Speaker 1: It's also a bond.
Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't matter what you do in yours, that's
Speaker 2: mine does matter.
Speaker 1: It's also important. It's not just China. It's not just China.
Speaker 10: Last year, the US produced more oil than any country
Speaker 10: in any year ever.
Speaker 1: Yep, that was under the Biden stress and we look
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 10: I'm not telling Trump they produced more last year than
Speaker 10: any country in any year.
Speaker 1: Super there.
Speaker 2: If it's if Trump with America, polling says where the
Speaker 2: silly wrecker as well? So, and that's what I think
Speaker 2: is also part of the political back and forth. Year
Speaker 2: is about you know, the biggest the biggest bear on
Speaker 2: our side of global politics, right is the United States.
Speaker 2: Currently Biden elbow in the same place. If Biden goes
Speaker 2: and Trump replaces, then guess what it's not going to
Speaker 2: be where Biden is right now on climate change, quick
Speaker 2: break back, but more lots to talk about. I promised
Speaker 2: that we're more than one subject that I wanted to
Speaker 2: If you can take it, you can take it on
Speaker 2: a Monday night, Thanks for watching. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for watching. Matt canavan to Scott and you at home
Speaker 2: exactly the way that we like at this particular Monday night.
Speaker 2: So Newspole tells us that things are back to fifty
Speaker 2: fifty now. One of the reasons why the Prime Minister's
Speaker 2: turned around and said, oh, I'm in a rule forever
Speaker 2: is I've never lost a newspoll, which that's never been
Speaker 2: a problem for a Prime minister in the past, setting
Speaker 2: news poll as the sole determinant of things. But still
Speaker 2: coalition vote thirty nine percent with preference discipline put simply
Speaker 2: out of One Nation or United Australia party. That's pretty
Speaker 2: damn competitive. However, of course, the race to seventy six
Speaker 2: seats is all about the endgame. The tials would be
Speaker 2: an issue there. But Matt, I want to ask you again,
Speaker 2: you know people who would consider themselves much smarter than
Speaker 2: little old me told us. No one cares about the
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles stuff. The budget was fantastic, you know, the
Speaker 2: economy still moving on. Are we starting to see people
Speaker 2: just not buying the bs anymore? Or frankly, there is
Speaker 2: not an election this weekend, so you can say whatever
Speaker 2: you want and then we'll see what happens when it
Speaker 2: actually counts. How have you interpreted the numbers?
Speaker 10: Look, I think this government's on thin ice with people,
Speaker 10: and they're primarily on thin ice because they haven't lived
Speaker 10: up to the promises they made to the Australian people.
Speaker 10: They said Anthony Elbernezi said it would be easier under him.
Speaker 10: He said things would be cheaper under him, and clearly
Speaker 10: they haven't been. We've had record or inflation we haven't
Speaker 10: seen for a generation, as I said before, real wages
Speaker 10: going back to twenty eleven levels. People have gone back
Speaker 10: more than a decade in just the two years of
Speaker 10: this government. So that's principally the reason they're on thin ice.
Speaker 10: And then look, yes, on top of that, you've had
Speaker 10: this scandal and look, I can't think of a scandal
Speaker 10: that's been of greater controversy or greater real world impacts here.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've had a government.
Speaker 10: Decide a policy, this so called Direction ninety nine, which
Speaker 10: has allowed the most heinous criminals to stay in this
Speaker 10: country when they should have been shipped off back to
Speaker 10: the country of their origin. I mean, these are I mean,
Speaker 10: it's it's sickening to read the accounts here of these criminals.
Speaker 10: Criminals have bashed their partners, they've they've they've committed the
Speaker 10: most heinous sex and I'm going to describe against their
Speaker 10: children or step children. And this government has been responsible
Speaker 10: for doing that, this minister, and.
Speaker 1: Then he's been defended. And I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: have to do to be sacked?
Speaker 2: I mean that's my Almost.
Speaker 10: Every minutes have been sacked the last few years has
Speaker 10: been sacked the less. And I think that's my top
Speaker 10: of the top of what the broken promises.
Speaker 1: It really is. I think a tough time for this government.
Speaker 1: They're on thin ice.
Speaker 2: Like I think it's a rude awakening about their strategy.
Speaker 2: Their strategy which is, no matter how obvious, defend, you know,
Speaker 2: just just put up the wall, never admit defeats. So therefore,
Speaker 2: eventually people just get tired of trying to mount an attack.
Speaker 2: It's not going to work because people are watching and
Speaker 2: as you defend the indefensible, you start to fall into
Speaker 2: a hole. Let's not get into that. We can do
Speaker 2: that another time in our life. Dagiel Er, Andrews and
Speaker 2: Mark mcgowantt Now I know that basically every high ranking
Speaker 2: official ends up with a little gold medal at some
Speaker 2: point in time. As premiers, they are entitled to it.
Speaker 2: But again, good ones, bad ones, They've all got it.
Speaker 2: It's the citation for public health that sends me legit
Speaker 2: real world DNA angry because of the people who died alone,
Speaker 2: the people who couldn't cross borders and end up taking
Speaker 2: their own lot. There was all of that stuff, right,
Speaker 2: and yes that was and that was all considered to
Speaker 2: be less than whether the blob was going to come
Speaker 2: around and get everyone. Shouldn't they just be cited as
Speaker 2: former premier. We don't need to start to put on
Speaker 2: their version of a CV as the reason why they
Speaker 2: get the gold medal.
Speaker 11: I'm obviously not on the Australia Day Council, so that's
Speaker 11: a matter for them. They make recommendations that are pretty
Speaker 11: independent to the governor General, who then, of course, I think,
Speaker 11: has to sign them off.
Speaker 9: I do think that it's important.
Speaker 11: To have Australia Day honors and honors over the King's Birthday.
Speaker 11: I think they're a lovely way of recognizing people's service.
Speaker 11: I hear and respect the calls about the need for
Speaker 11: sort of the reflection of community members in that, and
Speaker 11: I certainly know I want to be really fair about this.
Speaker 11: I know a lot of politicians on both sides who've
Speaker 11: turned down their offers of Australia's awards.
Speaker 9: And so I hear.
Speaker 11: I mean, of course there were liberal politicians honored this.
Speaker 11: I think there are announced this morning, so there were
Speaker 11: liberal politicians in the list. So I don't think they
Speaker 11: can kind of make parties and claims because there certainly
Speaker 11: were liberals in there that I actually thought were really
Speaker 11: well deserving of their awards.
Speaker 9: That they were given.
Speaker 11: I also think there's a really important national COVID inquiry happening.
Speaker 9: I gave evidence before it the other day. The impact
Speaker 9: online governments.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, I think it's important that we have
Speaker 11: this COVID inquiry. I think it is important that we
Speaker 11: examine how Australia would respond if there were another significant
Speaker 11: natural disaster.
Speaker 9: That covered the whole nation or COVID. So you know,
Speaker 9: I welcome their awards. Congratulations to them, Congratulations with politicians.
Speaker 9: It's good.
Speaker 2: You're too kind on these matters. You are too kind.
Speaker 2: I think I've got a little about twenty seconds for you,
Speaker 2: Matt on this one. This one. Look again, if one
Speaker 2: came just premature.
Speaker 10: These awards are premature. They should have been made to
Speaker 10: sit through a royal commission in public, as you say,
Speaker 10: and let's just see what everything came out before they
Speaker 10: got these awards. But it's too late for that. There's
Speaker 10: a whitewash going on on that inquiry as well. Next
Speaker 10: setting week, next setting week, I'll introduce a bill to
Speaker 10: establish a Commission of Inquiry onto COVID.
Speaker 1: It's the bottom of it.
Speaker 10: I probably won't get the support as usual, but love
Speaker 10: the support of your viewers in your shape, ul well.
Speaker 2: That's it, God love you well. Get in touch with him.
Speaker 2: Virus website. All the socials given the strength of the
Speaker 2: arm and then when it's introduced in the Parliament, we'll
Speaker 2: give you the number and you can call all of
Speaker 2: the senators and keep them all on watch. That's a
Speaker 2: really good thing. We'll make sure that the army is
Speaker 2: behind you. Oh, he said, army. That means it's a
Speaker 2: realization of our politics. No, it was a metaphor. See tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Mm hm