1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed Q and A where we 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: ask and answer questions about business, investing, economics, politics and more. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Thompson and today is the new Apple iPhone 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: worth the investments? Apple CEO Tim Cook promised the biggest 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: leap ever for iPhone, and yesterday the tech giant unveiled 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: its new suite of products, including the iPhone seventeen. It's 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: seventeen pro and it's thinnest ever phone, the iPhone Air. 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: It's also the new AirPods Pro three and the new 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Apple Watches. So did Tim Cook get it right? Is 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: it worth upgrading? Stephen Fennick is the editor of tech 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: guide dot com TODAU. Stephen, Welcome back to Fear and Greed. 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: Good day, Michael. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: How you doing going well? Is this the biggest leap 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: ever for iPhone or is it maybe a slight overreach, mate? 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: I'd say to be the biggest leap in recent years. Okay, 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: previous to this year there've been quite incremental upgrades and 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: very very slight design changes. This year they seemed to 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: have sort of the architecture of the phones has changed 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: a little bit and the introduction of the iPhone Air, 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: which we sort of knew was coming. But also the 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: redesign of the iPhone seventeen Pro and Promax with that 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: larger camera plateau, that actually made room to pack more 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: battery in more other features into the device. So yeah, 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: I think that was in terms of the change from 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: sixteen to seventeen in terms of design and architecture. Then 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, it has been quite a change. 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: Okay, let's start then with the iPhone Air because that 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: is it is quite striking to look at it. How 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: is it so thin? Where's the trade off here as 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: a battery? 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's five point six millimeters thick, and this 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: comes on the heels of Samsung's S twenty five Edge, 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: which was released kind of as a spoiler. They released there, 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: they announced there's in January, released it a couple of 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: months ago. There is five point eight inches and there 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: was virtually no compromise with that. There was a little 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: the bat the battery was still for the device handled 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: it fine. The camera systems, You've sort of got three 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: quarters of the Flagtube camera system, so I'd say that 40 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: what Apple's done here, and again that camera plateau is 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: on the iPhone Air as well, so that allowed them 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: to sort of put a lot of the camera system 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: and a lot of the circuitry up into that bump 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: to create more room for the biggest possible battery they 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: could fit in, and also more they're calling it the 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: most durable iPhone as well. It's made of titanium, so 47 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: despite it being so thin and light, it's on one 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five grams. They're claiming that it's going 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: to be pretty strong, so they're promising all day battery life. 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: It's got wireless charging. I think it's compatible with twenty 51 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: five what wireless charging, which means that even when you 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: do have to charge it wirelessly, you can charge it 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: I think up to about fifty percent in about half 54 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: an hour, so that's not too bad. 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: Who's the target for the iPhone air is. It's because 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: it is a very nice looking phone. But I mean, 57 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: if you're going to be using your phone for work, 58 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: surely you'd still be looking at the seventeen or the 59 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: seventeen Pro, right. 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. I think the iPhone AW will appeal to younger, 61 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: younger customers, customers who who focus on style and design 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: and want something sort of thin and light and sexy 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: rather than having a bigger phone. It's a flagship price though, 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: starts at two thousand dollars, so it's not like it's 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: a more much more affordable than the Pro. But I think, yeah, main, 66 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: I think your younger user who loves photography, but not 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: to the point where that they require a pro level camera, 68 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: So I think your younger, trendier user. Interestingly, there's no 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: SIM card in this one as well. This is the 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: first iPhone that Apple has declared worldwide it is no 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: simcard e SIM only because I don't know whether you're aware, 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: but in the US, for the last few years, all 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: iPhones have had no SIM card trays. In the US, 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: you can only buy iPhones with esim's okay. So for 75 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: the first time, Apple is releasing a product that is 76 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: eSIM only worldwide. So this could start the move towards 77 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: not having to have a little plastic SIM card in 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: your device, but to go with via the SIM. 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: But why then, does the seventeen and seventeen Pro still 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: have the physical SIM Is there a benefit to still 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: having it? 82 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think a couple of factors here. I think 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: one they wanted to save on the width of the phone, 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: sort of having a SIM card train may have added 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: some size to the device. I know that the Samsung 86 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: S twenty five Edge, while it's er point two millimeters thick, 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: does have a SIM card tray. I think that the 88 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Pro users they didn't want they didn't want to sort 89 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: of shake it up too much. They wanted to that 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: customer to still be able to change SIM cards quite easily, 91 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: although eSIM isn't isn't too hard to change. One thing 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: I find interesting though, with the iPhone Air. They never 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: put a number to it, so it's you've got the 94 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: iPhone seventeen, seventeen Pro, seventeen Pro Max, but the thin 95 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: devices is called the iPhone Air. There's no number, So 96 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: that leads me to believe perhaps that it might not 97 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: be a device that gets updated every year. It might 98 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: be every couple of years. It might be not like 99 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: the Pro and the entry level devices. It may be 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: an occasional upgrade rather than a yearly upgrade. 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the seventeen and the seventeen Pro, 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the big upgrade the what's the selling point for these ones? 103 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: Well? I think power and performance yep. Definitely, it's got 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: the A nineteen pro chip on board, so it's it's 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: really like computer laptop level performance. The camera system, of course, 106 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: has gone up yet another level. It's basically got three 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: forty eight megapixel lenses on board and has all these 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: pro features as well, pro resraw, It's got all you 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: could use use these devices in a professional production. That's 110 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: the quality that you're getting through the cameras, and of 111 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: course not only taking great images, but the video is 112 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: in the next level power wise, performance wise, again cutting edge. 113 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: I think the performance on these is probably faster than 114 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: any smartphone you can buy on the market today. And 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: of course all of the new devices have the new 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: iOS twenty four software, which itself comes with some new features. 117 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: So if at least if you're not buying the new iPhone, 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: you can still upgrade to iOS twenty six and get 119 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: some of these new features. But the hardware features on 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: the seventeen Pro and the seventeen Pro Max, the processor, 121 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: the camera, and the great screens are really the Apple 122 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: at its finest. 123 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: How much will I set you back? 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's the interesting point. There was all this speculation 125 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: that the tariffs were going to put a bit of 126 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: a tax on them, a bit of a price hike. 127 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: They're actually the same price as last would you believe, Well, 128 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: there was no iPhone Air last year, so that was 129 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: sort of replacing the Plus model because remember last year 130 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: there was a sixteen and a sixteen Plus. This year 131 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: there's just the seventeen and the iPhone Air, so no 132 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: real comparison there. But the seventeen is basically the same 133 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: price as last year's sixteen. The seventeen Pro is two 134 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: hundred dollars more expensive than the sixteen Pro, but the 135 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: only reason for that is because they've now their entry 136 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: level data point storage point is now two fifty six meg, 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: not one twenty eight, so it's basically the same price 138 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: as the one the two fifty six sixteen from last year, 139 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: and the Promax is the same price as well, So 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: that's surprising. Pleasantly surprised to see that the pricing didn't 141 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: go up as we had speculated. 142 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: Now, there was a lot of talk in the lead 143 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: up to the announcement about what was going to happen 144 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: with Siri and the idea that there should be an 145 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: update soon to Siri to make it more compatible with 146 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Apple Intelligence, but it didn't happen. They need more time. 147 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: What's going on there? 148 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did announce at the Worldwide Developer Conference back 149 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: in June that Apple Intelligence, the personalization of Siri wasn't ready, 150 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: they said. At the time, they said, we were not 151 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: happy with how it is at the moment. It doesn't 152 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: meet our standards, and back then they stated it it 153 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: probably won't be until next year. So I'd expect probably 154 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: a big update in early twenty twenty six to bring 155 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 2: Siri into line with the other AI that we're seeing 156 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: in other devices like Galaxy AI and Gemini AI. So yeah, 157 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: they are lagging behind in that area. 158 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: Okay. I started out by asking whether it is worth 159 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: the upgrade. If you're paying two thousand dollars plus potentially 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: for a phone, would you be upgrading to one of these? 161 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: If I had the iPhone sixteen, I'd cool my jets. 162 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be upgrading because it's a decent upgrade, but 163 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: not big enough for any personally. I wouldn't be upgrading 164 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: from the sixteen. I'd say this is probably aimed at 165 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: the customer that may have a thirteen or fourteen, perhaps 166 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: even at fifteen. That's a couple of years old now, 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: so that's I think that that's the ideal customer. For years. 168 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: We hear people grumbling. Oh, it's only a little increase 169 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: and it's not much of an improvement from last year. Well, 170 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: it's not aimed at the customer from last year. I 171 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: think all people need to understand that not everyone upgrades 172 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: their phone every year. In fact that we're taking we're 173 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: keeping our phones even longer now, three, four, even five 174 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: years before upgrading our devices. So for that customer who 175 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: maybe have a thirteen, forteen or fifteen, it's going to 176 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: be a big upgrade for them. 177 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Okay, just very quickly because we only have a minute left. 178 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: The other things that were announced updated AirPods, updated Apple Watch, 179 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: a lot of focus on health features. 180 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always been the case. Apple Watch has always 181 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: been at the forefront of the health and wellness features, 182 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: and there was even a part of the present Part 183 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: of the presentation showed people who owed their live to 184 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: the Apple Watch because it gave them different warnings and 185 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: notifications and end up saving their lives. So this year 186 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: is no different. The phone is slightly thinner, slightly lighter. 187 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: It does have now a better sleep tracking so you 188 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: can keep a sleep score. There's also a feature that's 189 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 2: going to be in the foot process of being approved 190 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: that's going to also detect hypertension, which is sort of 191 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: like a side effective high blood pressure all in the watch. Yeah, 192 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: all on the watch and on the air pod side. 193 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: The obviously better audio, better active noise cancelation. But now 194 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: you can even track your heart rate using your AirPods. 195 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: So a lot of people like to work out wearing 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: their air pods, and now when they're in your ears, 197 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: it's actually a very accurate place to measure your heart 198 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: rate is in your ear, So they're deciding to They've 199 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: got a sensor in there now to help with your 200 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: heart rate measurement using your AirPods. 201 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned before Samsung Apples in a constant battle with Samsung. 202 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: Is the market going to like what's been announced? 203 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. Yeah. I think look Samsung had 204 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: a massive couple of months the Fold range, who was phenomenal. 205 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: They're really the sales are going through the roof. Pre 206 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: orders went crazy. I Phone customers. Now, I think we 207 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: were waiting for this, we sort of there were no 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: real surprises. All the rumors were true. So yeah, I 209 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: think that there's going to be a lot of people 210 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: lining up and pre ordering this device when it's available. 211 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: Ruper Steven thank you for speaking to Fear and Greed. 212 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thanks Michael. 213 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: That was Stephen Fanek, editor at tech Guide dot com 214 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: at dot au. Now, if you've got something that you'd 215 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: like to know, then send me a question on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, 216 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: or at Fear and Greed dot com dot au. Oh, 217 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Michael Thompson, and this is Fear and Greed Q and 218 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: a