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Speaker 1: Johe Martin on the Prima Pramac dou Caaddie is your

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Moto GP World Champion, and what a

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Speaker 1: season it has been. From breathtaking overtag's unwavering consistency, Martin

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Speaker 1: has cemented his name in Moto GP history with one

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Speaker 1: of the most thrilling title runs we have ever witnessed.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rinita vmullan, and alongside me is our

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Speaker 1: Moto GP masa, mister Matt Clayton. But sorry Matt, because

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Speaker 1: of this episode's a little bit of a family affair

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Speaker 1: with Moto GP race winner and two thousand and three

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Speaker 1: well Supersport champion at Chris Mullan joining us.

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Speaker 2: Chris, welcome to pit Talk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, I've done obviously, I know you rineda sister,

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Speaker 3: we know each other on a very long time and

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Speaker 3: yes I've worked with Matt for a little while, so yes,

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Speaker 3: all good to be back on you.

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Speaker 2: The background for this, Cris, you realized last week we

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Speaker 2: had Matt Burt on the podcast and I reckon this

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Speaker 2: is Ranita's comeback. She had two mats on the podcast

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Speaker 2: out numbered, so she said, the only way I can

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Speaker 2: do some one upmanship here is. I'm going to invite

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Speaker 2: my own brother who's in Botero GP Race Switter onto

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Speaker 2: the podcast and like, all right, hands off the whilk.

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Speaker 2: You've got me on that one. But I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be like more Dutch

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 3: To well, more Dutch to be on this one.

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Speaker 2: Not yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you probably do need too. But obviously that's our heritage.

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Speaker 3: But ended there, ended ended fifty years ago. Grandma was

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Speaker 3: sixty years ago, seventy years ago, whenever our grandmother grandparents

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Speaker 3: came out from Holland. But no, great, great to be here.

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Speaker 3: And what about a GP season? And like you said,

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Speaker 3: you have Matt Burton last last week and Bertie he's great,

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Speaker 3: isn't he And he's involved in the action all year round?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, what a season it's been.

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Speaker 1: It's been interesting because coming onto this we were like,

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Speaker 1: what could we expect from the final round of of MOGP.

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Speaker 1: We had all that drama Valencia and then they moved

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Speaker 1: till last minute. But the biggest headline obviously Jorge Martine

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Speaker 1: winning the championship. But on an independent team is the

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Speaker 1: first time that's happened in GP history, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like the storyline's going in We had Peco who could

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Speaker 1: possibly take that hat trick Jorge Martin with the comeback

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Speaker 1: after last year, I think it was very well deserved

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Speaker 1: from my side. In my opinion, I think watching him

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Speaker 1: and how he's changed this year, Joge Martin talking about

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Speaker 1: here how he's mentally changed, and Matt, I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: got some points on this, but Chris, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: because I think we've seen a whole new side to

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Speaker 1: the Martinita one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: He was sort of the guy that did what Peco

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Speaker 3: did this year. Last year, that was Martin got to

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Speaker 3: go and win a lot of races, but make mistakes,

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Speaker 3: and not only did he turn himself around, he put

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Speaker 3: the pressure on his championship rival to do that. In

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Speaker 3: my opinion, Peco Bagna was a fast the faster rider

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Speaker 3: Jorge Martin is the fastest guy in the world. So

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Speaker 3: Peko's taken this step to beat Jorge Martin speedwak and

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Speaker 3: it's worked and he's won more Grand Price but made

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Speaker 3: more mistakes. So it's almost like role reversal. What do

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Speaker 3: you reckon, Matt. It's it's just changed, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny because you and I for years, even

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Speaker 2: our sort of standard lines that we had every time

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is that I reckon banya has been better

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Speaker 2: winning seasons, and he has won the championship because Martin

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Speaker 2: has taken all that raw speed and he's evolved. And

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Speaker 2: the evolution is he was quick enough to win it

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Speaker 2: last year. I don't think it's like a chatter. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that felt like a championship that he lost last year

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Speaker 2: more than Banyai won. Banyai stepped up his game, as

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Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible. But Martin just did the absolute best

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Speaker 2: I think that was the key to the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: In that was at thirty two podiums out of forty,

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Speaker 2: and he just did it far too many times. And

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Speaker 2: the Malaysia one, Yeah, Malaysia one was kind of the

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Speaker 3: Wasn't the Malaysia one was the final straw. It was

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Speaker 3: the straw of the camel's back that broke it, if

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Speaker 3: you like. But it's the Barcelona one, that sprint race

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Speaker 3: it's been an interesting year. And the points, those two guys,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just it was their own those two guys

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Speaker 1: I think what I found really cool this weekend was

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Speaker 1: how he handled the situation after, But for me, Martin,

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Speaker 1: It was like, I'm going to do the job that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just talking before about how he's evolved this year.

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Speaker 2: And there's something about and you might back me up

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Speaker 2: on this one, Chris, there's something about a non English

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Speaker 2: And he's like, you've got to stop this right now, like,

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Speaker 3: It is it's whether it is whether it is the

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Speaker 3: You know, when something major in your career happens, at

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Speaker 3: That was his chance. It was his chance to go

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people that have put the

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Speaker 3: sacrificed a lot for Juge Martin to be there, and

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Speaker 2: And the thing I love about this from a journal

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Speaker 2: this thing that he's been aiming at for so so long,

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Speaker 3: And do we reckon? It's going to get even bigger

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's not open that kennel worms right now

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Speaker 2: amusing little spat between BASTARDEDI and Alex Marquez after the race,

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00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: and that bastard he was saying, it's not right that

432
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 2: Alisha Spargaro got my writers mixed up. It's late or

433
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: it's early, or it's something. Yeah, and bashid he was saying,

434
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 2: what the hell was a Spargaro doing basically playing wingman

435
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: for Juge Martine. They're not writing for the same manufacturer,

436
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 2: they're not even writing for the same team. They're just mates.

437
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: He's getting in the way and blah blah blah. And

438
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: a Spargo's comment was to look theatrically down the standings

439
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: and see Bastidity in seventh or wherever he was, was like,

440
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: he's down there on a GP twenty four race mate.

441
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 2: And it was typically feisty Alaisho and his last race

442
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: he was true to tight. But that was pretty funny

443
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: because they were getting into it in those early laps

444
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: and you knew that they were both doing something for

445
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 2: somebody else. Bashially did. He was trying to help out

446
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: his teammate, and as Spargo is trying to help out

447
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: his best mate. It was just interesting to see that

448
00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: they were going in.

449
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 3: I actually don't even know if Bastini was trying to

450
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: help his teammate in the fact, trying to help himself

451
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 3: and get in front of Mark, you know, or get

452
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: close to Mark, because there's only a couple of points

453
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 3: between them. Wasn't there, but but you're right as Alaisha

454
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: was there and whether he was or whether that was

455
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 3: his pace, I mean, fourth fifth place, that's about what

456
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: you'd expect from him, right, So yeah, it's interesting though, what.

457
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: Do you reckon about that though? Because we know that

458
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: Alasia is really good there, like of all the circuits

459
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: to get the final race of the season after we

460
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: didn't go to Valencia Cashalunia was always going to be

461
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: a place where he goes well because he always goes

462
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: well there. He even sometimes he remembers how many laps

463
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: there are to go with the rest to go.

464
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Speaker 3: But he was always exactly doing an Elasious Bargo or

465
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 3: doing a Jake Dixon.

466
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: Doing an Elasious Barger's. Yeah, I think I think Jake

467
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: Dixon did an Elasius Burger.

468
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right exactly.

469
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts though as a rider where

470
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: you know you're not even in the same team and

471
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: the guys you mate, he's probably gonna win the World championship,

472
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 2: he way, should you be getting involved in something like

473
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 2: that or is it just kind of, you know, gloves

474
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Speaker 2: off anything.

475
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's gloves off. Anything goes. You're not

476
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: gonna You're definitely not gonna. You don't want to get

477
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: involved in the championship. I didn't want to. I was

478
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: there in six when it was the Rossy Nicky Hayden

479
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: battle in Valencia and Valentino was in front of me

480
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: early on in the race and he was struggling. And

481
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: there's not many times I can ever say in my

482
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: career that Valentino's holding you up a lot, right, You

483
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: just it just doesn't happen out of Valencia in that

484
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 3: race for whatever reason he was. But I couldn't make

485
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 3: a clean move easy, and if I was going to

486
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: make a move, I wanted to make it very clean

487
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to be the guy to touch

488
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: him or push him wide or get involved.

489
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: He ended up.

490
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: Sucking the front and getting out of my way and

491
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: I could move on after that anyway. But it is

492
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 3: you just you just want to I think you just

493
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 3: want to be I don't want to get involved in this.

494
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 3: I want to do my best race for myself and

495
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 3: I've got nothing to do with it, stay out of it.

496
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, you just didn't. You just didn't want to

497
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: get deported.

498
00:22:54,560 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: From it for exactly, and it would happen.

499
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, all right.

500
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: We had a few writers who that was their final

501
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: Grand Prix this year. Obviously Alisha Spargaro. He did that

502
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: really cool slow down lap after the sprint. Was at

503
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: the sprint where he had his first World Championship bike,

504
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: and then he had the Alisia Spargaro number two ride

505
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: his maner GP bike back.

506
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: I thought that was really notice do you reckon? That

507
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: was my first thoughts. It's probably his brother, right, it

508
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: was probably Paul. I don't know. I didn't.

509
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same. So I did read about this.

510
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: It was one of the guys in crew that had

511
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: been doing some filming days as Elash, so we actually

512
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: had the overalls and the helmet, and so they'd set

513
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: it up to do this, but only if Martin didn't

514
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: win the championship on Saturday. So it was like this

515
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: guy was like literally off hiding somewhere with the overalls on,

516
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: ready to jump out with the one two five. But

517
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: it's like, but if if Jorge wins the championship and

518
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: Elaisia's in the celebrations, then we just won't do it.

519
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: So it was very much let's just see.

520
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.

521
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the stunt double prepared.

522
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: Cool, that's really cool.

523
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: I like that because there's that there's a film that's

524
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: getting made currently that they're in production for a Moto

525
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: GP or a Moto three film that a friend of

526
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: mine at Empty Helmets Team is doing a lot of

527
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: filming with, so I wonder if maybe this is where

528
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: it's all coming in. That's why the stunt double was

529
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: on the sidelines ready to go. But Alisha's finished for

530
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: the year or retiring. Augusto Fernandez is also retiring Takanak

531
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: and Gami is also retiring from Moto GP. But that

532
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: makes way for some newcomers next year. I think that

533
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm excited for fresh blood, but I'm also excited to

534
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: see what Pedro Acosta can do next year. On the KTM,

535
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about his year so far, because they started

536
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: off well and we're thinking he's going to get that podium.

537
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Then he got it. We're going he's going to get

538
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: that victory, and it never quite eventuated to the top, right,

539
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: But what's your take on on Pedro this year, Chris,

540
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: how do you think he's performed.

541
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: I think he reminds me of I don't know what

542
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 3: year was, twenty thirteen, ten eleven years when young Mark

543
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 3: Marquez came into the championship. It's just that Pedro didn't

544
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: have a bike that was capable of being competitive on

545
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: all the time. Really, But look, he gave it to

546
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: he gave it to Miller, he gave it to Binda,

547
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: he gave it to Fernandez. Most races didn't he He made

548
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: a lot of mistakes, but I mean, you've got to

549
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: get used to those mitchell and tires, you gotta get

550
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: used to those electronics, you gotta get you know, all

551
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: the things that come with mato gip riding. But yeah,

552
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: he was it was pretty cool to watch. It was.

553
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 3: It was spectacular at times. It was very very fast

554
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: most of the time, but learning to manage tires and

555
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: things like that were his downfall and we saw that

556
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: in the last racing Valencia there still you know, he

557
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: faded more than anyone else really, so there's a lot

558
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: of work to be done there. It's and that's the

559
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: thing with Matogpit. It's not about just going fast. It's

560
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: about going fast with using less tire where with using

561
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: less fuel with you know, there's lots of things to

562
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: play with. So he's got work to do. But he's

563
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: definitely exciting and I love the character. He just doesn't care.

564
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't care about anyone else. He wants to go

565
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: and win races. He wants to get in fights, he

566
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: wants to have battles. It's gonna be interesting because I

567
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: think firm and Aldergare is a good mate of his

568
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: and they grew up together. And he's coming in on

569
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: a Jucati next year, so a lot of people saying

570
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: aldergaer Is is fast. He's as fast as a Costa

571
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: as a young kid, so that could be interesting a

572
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: young guy on the Jucadi. And then we obviously got

573
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: Aagura and Somkia Chantri coming in as well, so who

574
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: knows what they're going to do.

575
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: I reckon Agura is a sneaky, awesome sighting for a

576
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Prillier because it was so interesting, even like watching him

577
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: race the Motor Tide race in Barcelona last night. He

578
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: is so unbelievably good on the breaks. He just he

579
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: rides in a certain way where he gives you absolutely nothing.

580
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: And it's a really calm starting point for an Aprillia

581
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: team that you look at those four apriliers next year,

582
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: ral Fernandez is the only one of their riders coming

583
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: back year on year, and I am still shaking my

584
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: head as to how ral Fernandez keeps a job, thank you.

585
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: Ever since everything, yeah, ever since he came in after

586
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: the Moto two season against Remy and obviously Remy won

587
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: that championship, I just don't get it.

588
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: I think Remy Gardner should have kept the ride before him.

589
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: There's plenty of people that he's been teammates with that

590
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: should have had the ride. I agree, And I don't

591
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: know what photo of who he's got that he that

592
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: he puts out to keep his ride or whatever he does,

593
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, Ralph Fernandez is a guy that is

594
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: on borrow time, I think. But you're right for mea

595
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: when was the last time you saw a Japanese rider

596
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: make his debut on on a not on a Japanese

597
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: motors you know, yeah, yeah, or back in the day

598
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: a Suzuki or Kawasaki or anything.

599
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: But what are they?

600
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: That shows where the Japanese manufacturers are right now? And

601
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: he knew it was not going to be very good

602
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: for his career because Honda wanted him twelve months ago

603
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: and he held off, and he held off, and he's

604
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: gone to ride in a Primer, which is well, it's

605
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: not a Jacaddy, But I mean he didn't want to

606
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: get on a police.

607
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Bike and you can't blame him either. And you look

608
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: at the guys coming in, like you mentioned Aldegare before,

609
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: because he's alger is a young, big kid, like he's

610
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: going to be much more suited to a motor GP bikes.

611
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: He's been big for a motor two bike. Chantra is

612
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: going to be spectacular sometimes will crash a lot, got

613
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: a massive got a massive personality, like he's going to

614
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: be somewhere that gets a lot of headlines. I reckon

615
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: Aguru is just going to be the guy in the background,

616
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: just methodically, metronomically churning out and you look up and go, huh.

617
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: He's just finished in the top ten for four straight

618
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: races and we've barely seen him on the coverage exactly.

619
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: He's just there and he builds and he doesn't make mistakes.

620
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good addition there because the

621
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Fernandez things a bit of a question mark for me.

622
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: And then in the factory team you've got Martine and Betzeki,

623
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: neither of whom have written in Aprilia before. So he

624
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: might be that young, calm guy that they can throw

625
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: a lot of development at as he gets used to

626
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: motor GP and he can methodically pick his way through it.

627
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: Because they're a massive unknown for next year. Obviously they've

628
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: got the world champion riding for them, but there's no

629
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: ex experience with this bike, so it's an interesting one

630
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: for them.

631
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting come Tuesday test.

632
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: Oh boy, what's what I want to ask?

633
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts on Bazeki going to a Prillian.

634
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: Do you think that that bike's gonna suit him? Because

635
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: and the whole team change as well. Because he's been

636
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: with VR forty six for forever.

637
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I don't know about the team change. Sometimes

638
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: that can be a good thing, sometimes not. But it's

639
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: going to be interesting to see how he adapts. Obviously,

640
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: let me get this right. He rode a GP twenty

641
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: two and he was extremely fast, and then he got

642
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: a GP twenty three. Is he go twenty three? Yeah,

643
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: he's got twenty three like Mark is on and they

644
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: say that bike was good, but with mitchell entire change

645
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: that they came with a new retire this year made

646
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: that GP twenty three really really hard to ride, and

647
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: only a couple of guys sort of could get their

648
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: head around it. Mark was one, Alex on occasion, Fabio

649
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: dig'antonio a bit more. But Bez just could not get

650
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: He could not change his riding styles get his head

651
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: around it. So it's whether he suits the style of

652
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: the Privia. I think. I think bes is really fast,

653
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: but maybe he's not a guy that can adapt himself

654
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: to suit a motorcycle.

655
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, gonna be interesting completely right, Like, yeah, he

656
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: is fast, but maybe there's like a narrow sort of

657
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: operating window where he's fast. Ye, So yeah, the twenty

658
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: two like you were saying. He was fantastic last year

659
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: in a third the Championship, winning Grand Prix, but the

660
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: moment things got a little bit outside of that operating window,

661
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: he saw him really fall back this year. I thought

662
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: he was one of the more disappointing riders this year.

663
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: I rate De jan Antonio really highly. I think he's

664
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: quite underrated, and I think he will win Grand Prix

665
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: next year. To Janitor, he's going to be on. That'd

666
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: be an absolutely suit.

667
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: I reckon. I'd go for a pick with that because

668
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be on a twenty five at JUP

669
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: twenty five. He pulled out a couple of races earlier

670
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: this year to get that shoulder fixed. He said it

671
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: just kept popping out of place and you just need

672
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: to get that sorted. And he's ready to go, get

673
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: ready and ready to go. Yep.

674
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: I reckon he's a sneaky top five for the championship

675
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: next year. That you go, there's my bold prediction.

676
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: I like it.

677
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Get it in early. Then Matt let's touch on Jack

678
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Miller's season really quickly as well, because it's been a

679
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: rollercoaster for the thriller Miller and obviously departing to my

680
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: favorite place, Pramaha. I had to get it in there.

681
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: If you're listening, take a shot there you go, I say,

682
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Pramaha a lot.

683
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: Chris, Okay, you're wondering. It's my word.

684
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: But what's your take on on Jack's time at KTM

685
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: and in his season this year.

686
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: Look, I think initially when he signed for KDM, I

687
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's a step backwards from the Jacadi

688
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: And then Jack and his crew that came over with him,

689
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: they really I think they really took something to KTM

690
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: and they stepped it up. And the early part of

691
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: the start of his career there was good as a

692
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: couple of podiums, it was challenging for podiums. A bad

693
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: weekend was like six or seventh. You know, Jack was strong,

694
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: but then Brad really overtook him. And then coming into

695
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: this year, a Costa's overtaken him as well, and for

696
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: whatever reason, Jack hasn't been able to get any further forward.

697
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: So it's like it was stalemate. I mean, there was

698
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: a couple of races where they were better than others,

699
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: but realistically he just he's just struggled with little things

700
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: on and off. So it's a shame because I'm I

701
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: like Jack and we want an Aussie in the championship

702
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: and we want a strong Aussie. But yeah, it hasn't

703
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: been hasn't been successful and that's why he got let

704
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: go unfortunately from there. But at least he's on the

705
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: in the field next year.

706
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been pretty honest about it, like he's

707
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: been super disappointed, you know, from their side and from

708
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: his side with the way it's gone. And you know,

709
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: we spoke to him obviously Ronda a while before Philip Island.

710
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: He was saying he thought maybe this would be his

711
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: last one. I think if it wasn't for this very

712
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: specific job description with Pramaha take another shot and everybody

713
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: the fact that he's going there where Yamaha need guys

714
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: have experienced with other manufacturers and just experience on the grid,

715
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: and that's why they've gone with that Oliver Miller lineup

716
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: because you've kind of got the best of both worlds.

717
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: They've got every other manufacturer covered, ye and Yamaha right

718
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: now need heaps and heaps of data to try and

719
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: get that bike right. The problem for Jack almost and

720
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I think if he does his job too well, I

721
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: think he'll be out at the end of next year,

722
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: irrespective of how well he goes, because they're not really

723
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: trying to progress that bike for him or for Oliver. Really,

724
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: they want the next young guy to come in and

725
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: take it and be the guy that backs up Rins

726
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: and Quaero. They don't want a bunch of guys in

727
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: the same age profile. They'll try and bring some younger

728
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: guy through once the bike's up to it. So Jack

729
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: serves a very specific need for them. But you know,

730
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: him and Oliver are similar age, similar stage of their careers,

731
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: both very experienced. But Oliver is on two year contract.

732
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Jack's on one. So that's the key thing for me,

733
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: Like Jack needs, Jack needs a massive verse five or

734
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: six races next year if he's going to have any

735
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: chance to stay on the grid for twenty six, because

736
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: on results alone, he probably doesn't deserve to be there

737
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: next year. But he feels a very specific job skill set.

738
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: He's almost like he's almost like a permanent racer test

739
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: driver in a way. You know, oh yeah, and why

740
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: not take it if you if you want, if that's

741
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: what you want to do. And I think Jack realizes that,

742
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: and and the role might turn into Yamaha's testrata if

743
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: he does, if he does the role perfectly. But I

744
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: agree with you, Matt, I don't. Jack's gonna have to

745
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: really do something special. He's gonna have to be on

746
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: corduro Pace in the first few Grand Prix of next

747
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: year to keep it right, I reckon for twenty six Yeah, yeah, agreed.

748
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: If you didn't watch yesterday's Grand Prix, just to fee

749
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: you in. Unfortunately, John Mire crashed. I know, surprise, surprise there.

750
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: We weren't expecting that, were we.

751
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that poor guy.

752
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, poor Honda. I mean, just to like cap off

753
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: the rest of the field. No real changes to Honda.

754
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: We saw a glimpse of hope from Zako after in

755
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: those flyaway rounds, and we saw him progressing, But it

756
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: seems like he's Honda's star pupil now right.

757
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea one hundred percent. And when you know, talking

758
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: to a few guys, all all four Hondas are identical

759
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: or supposedly get the same support tech support. So the

760
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 3: repsol ones aren't ahead of the LCR bikes by any means.

761
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: Apparently things come out and I mean Nakagami fastest in

762
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: FP one at Barcelon. I was like, wow, what's going on?

763
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 3: You don't want to get you don't want to stop

764
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: now tackle Like, what's what's happening? You can just still

765
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: at speed and Zako making it straight through to Q two.

766
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's where it ended. But yeah, you're right.

767
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: From a Honda point of view, I've always rated Jo

768
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: and Zarka. I really like the guy and I'm a

769
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: fan of his of his writing ability, so it's been

770
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 3: good to see what he can do. But yeah, from

771
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: from my side, Mir and Marini really need to pick

772
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: up their game. They've got to be in front of Zako.

773
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: But I mean Honda, Honda's got to pick up their game.

774
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is, it's just it's funny. It's funny.

775
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: If you don't watch a whole weekend and you only

776
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: to tune in for the race, you forget what a

777
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: repsol Honda looks like because you don't see it. So true,

778
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: you don't see it. And that used to be the

779
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: go to motorcycle, like from you know, the nineties when

780
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: Dowan was riding them right through. So yeah, it's unreal and.

781
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: To show you how to show you how far it's

782
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 2: fallen as well. We don't get to say Repsol Hondre

783
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: anymore because there is no such things as of right now,

784
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. And how many times are we going

785
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: to say or I'm going to write that. Next year,

786
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: I'll write it and go no, just do it.

787
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 3: It's just shorthand, Well it is what nineteen ninety five, Yeah,

788
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: you know, Mickdwan was world champion on a Repsol Honda

789
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: for the first time, you know, and right through to

790
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. It's thirty years of racing.

791
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: So yes, here's the stat for both of you. I'm

792
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: just looking at these ridiculous assortment of numbers that I

793
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: keep over there. This is this is what gets me

794
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: out of bed the morning. So there were two riders

795
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: that had double figured DNFs this year. Augusto Fernandez had ten,

796
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: Juan Mia had fifteen DNFs. Yep, fifteen. That's more than

797
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: Martine and Banolt put together. And yeah that's that. Poor

798
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: the guy's got the crash writer. Okay, graphic that gets

799
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: put up at least three times a weekend. Yeah, poor Jois.

800
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: I think he's of all the guys ready to see

801
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: the back of the season. I reckon he's time.

802
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: And I mean when that guy was on the Suzuki,

803
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: he was missed consistency. He won the championship by winning

804
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: one Grand Prix, you know, like he just would put

805
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: away and always finish races and hardly ever crashed. So

806
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, he just cannot get on with that Honda.

807
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: But I kind of admire it to some degree because

808
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: Marine's clearly made the decision. It's like, well, I'm not

809
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: going to hurt myself. Probably I'll probably be slower and

810
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: score a fewer points, but at least I'm going to

811
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: finish some races and not hurt go home and yeah, yeah, yeah, correct.

812
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: And Mer is just like this guy just like yelling

813
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: at a cloud. It's like, no, this can be better,

814
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: and he just tries and tries and tries. They're the

815
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: same big ames every time.

816
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: Matt. Have you had any rumors of who is replacing

817
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: Repsol as the title sponsor at HRC.

818
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: No. The last I heard is it might be a

819
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: Castrol thing, so it will be another fuel lubricants type deal.

820
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: But then they've they've had some involvement with ELCR in

821
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: the past, so that they might have to Chris, you

822
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: don't have Luccio Roles. I'll probably go to Luccio and

823
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: say we'd like to take one of your sponsors please,

824
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: and Lucia will save sure, here's what it costs.

825
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right, you know, but look, I'll move

826
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: the I'll move the decimal cats over a little bit. Castrol,

827
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: I've at a type with Honda for a long time

828
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: though they were I rode for Castrol Honda in World

829
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: Supersport in two thousand two and one. I mean they

830
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: were around with the Edwards, Aaron slight days, some cool liveries.

831
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's gonna be interesting Honda. It's it's a

832
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: funny one. Financially, I don't know the numbers ins and outs,

833
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: but I can I can bet you that Repsol don't

834
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: chuck in a lot of money. Ninety five percent or

835
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of that budget probably comes from HRC directly,

836
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: So they might just go with a full Honda livery

837
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: or they did it in ninety four with doing it

838
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: worked out all right.

839
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: That ye, well, as you just said before, it almost

840
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what color they paint the bike because you

841
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: didn't see no anyway.

842
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 3: That's right, exactly, exactly true.

843
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Moto too. We touched on it

844
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: a little bit with Ayagura, but Aaron Connett, he wasn't

845
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: the bridesmaid this time. He did win the final round

846
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, but we were talking during the

847
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: race and obviously Sena age is good qualifying. He got

848
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: up the front early on, but just chew through those

849
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: tires and what away for him to finish the season.

850
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: But for a rookie season, I feel like he's done

851
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: really well, managed to get on the podium, had some

852
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: solid top ten performances throughout the year, so I think

853
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: it's been a good ride from the Aussie Yeah.

854
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: I was impressed. I didn't know Sena at all. Met

855
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: him at Philip Island, spent fabut of time with him

856
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: over the weekend, jogged the track on Wednesday, a few

857
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: different things and impressive young fella, very driven, knows what

858
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: he wants and that podium at Philipollum was sensational. But yes,

859
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: some of the rides this year have been really impressive

860
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: and that's what a rookie season's about. I mean there

861
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: were circuits for him to learn this year. It's you know,

862
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: putting it all together easy and Yeah, fingers crossed. They

863
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: can move forward staying with the same team. It's not

864
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: going to be husked Vanner branded, but the intact team

865
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: is staying there, and yeah, it should be good next year.

866
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: And even things like the cadence of the calendar, like

867
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: you can't prepare yourself until you get to World Championship

868
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: to do seven races in nine weekends and five of

869
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: those seven are flyways, like things like that. When you've

870
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: not done it before and you're getting used to these

871
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: tracks and the category and everything else, that takes a toll.

872
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: And so he'll be so much better for the run

873
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: next year.

874
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: I reckon percent really really impressive from him. Yeah, looking

875
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: forward to it.

876
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: I have to touch on Sergio Garcia's season though, because

877
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: started off on such a high, didn't it, and then

878
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, it just seems like you fell back.

879
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: And I think I touched on this on a podcast

880
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: earlier in the year where I was like, it seems

881
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: like all that talk of the possible motor GP ride

882
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of got to his head. And I don't know

883
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: if that impacted things or possibilities or changes or whatnot,

884
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: but man, I feel for him because that was so

885
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: long where he was leading the championship, wasn't he and

886
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: then got overtaken and then all of a sudden.

887
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: He dropped out.

888
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I think he finished third or fourth in the championship

889
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: in the end.

890
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was him or someone that manages him,

891
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: I would be straight on the phone to hold mutt

892
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: in and find out who that mental coach was and

893
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: get that sorted in this offseason.

894
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't agree that's the issue.

895
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, this the guy is fast and he

896
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: was very fast to study. There's got to be it's

897
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: got to be away of getting getting that sorted, you know.

898
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 3: If that is the case, yep.

899
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: And Moto three to round it out, David Alonzo and

900
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: we say, there's every race that we met. If you

901
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: watch Moto GP, make sure you watch the Moto three

902
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: pick a three racing because it is some of the best.

903
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat once again.

904
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys says they're overtaking and they're passing.

905
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: But David Alonzo, what a talent.

906
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to watch him and what he's going

907
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: to do in Motto two next year. You know. But

908
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: did he correct me? If I was at twelve or

909
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: thirteen races, fourteen in the closest category that we have.

910
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: It's but he just has the ability to sit in

911
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: the group and then with three or four laps to

912
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: go make his way to the front. And then he

913
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: is just so good off the turn that he doesn't

914
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: allow the guys to get up beside him, and he's

915
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: strong enough on the brakes, and then he turns it

916
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: a little bit better than everyone else. He's just we've

917
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: got to remember the rest of these guys are the

918
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: best riders in the world. But what he can do

919
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: on that machine, it's sensational. Needless to say. He does

920
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: training away from the track with Mark Marquez. I mean

921
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: the guy, he's a star of the future. He is.

922
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: He is your next one for sure.

923
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 2: What's interesting is I was talking to a few people

924
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: in the lead up to Philip Island. They were saying,

925
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: the bigger the bikes get, the better he's going to

926
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: be because his sort of supernatural talent. Compared to the rest.

927
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: He's awesome on the breaks, which in Moto three is

928
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: not such a big thing as it's all slipstreaming and

929
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: light bikes. When you've got a bigger, heavier, bike, and

930
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 2: you've got to get it stopped. That's when they reckon.

931
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: He's going to really come into his own. But here's

932
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: one for you, Chris. I was talking to Ronita last

933
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: night when that race was going on. So every rider

934
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: in every World Championship category this year, do you realize

935
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: there's only three riders in the entire paddock that have

936
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: won more Grand Prix in the World Championship than Alozzo

937
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: has after two years of Moto three Maverick Vinalez, Mark Marquez,

938
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: Pecavagnaya Alonso has won eighteen Grand Prix in two years.

939
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Nobody else in any World Championship category has won more,

940
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: and I thought that cannot be right, so I went

941
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: and checked he's won more World Championship races and Jue

942
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Martin has No way World Championship races in an abasity

943
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: and he has. He's won eighteen Grand Prix in two years.

944
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: No way. That is undelievable. He's the most winning Motor

945
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: three rider of all time, isn't he most.

946
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: Of the season and he's on two seasons two seas.

947
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable that ASPA team doational thing with young riders.

948
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: They always have, you know, from right back when Alvaro

949
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: Artista was in there in the early two thousands, all

950
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: the way through. Yeah, they just they just do such

951
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 3: a good job with young, young guys and they've obviously

952
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: got an extreme talent here, and he's just a good

953
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 3: young kid. He's just got to smile on his face

954
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: all the time. He's happy, he's loving what he's doing,

955
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's gonna be exciting to see what he

956
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: can do on the bigger bike next year.

957
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: We have to touch on our Aussie riders though. Jacob Rulestone.

958
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: After a very not the best second half of the season,

959
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: he seemed to bring the bike home in P eight,

960
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: which is phenomenal for the young rookie rookie first year

961
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: again in the World Championship, and we spoke about this

962
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: earlier din We Matt where how Jacob seemed to start

963
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: the year off really well and then the end of

964
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: the season seemed to tip down and it's like the

965
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: opposite of what we expected from a rookie ye roto GP,

966
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: we thought that it'd take him while to find his feet,

967
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: but honestly, that's start of the year. He was solid

968
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: top ten performances, battling with the leading group.

969
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: I was really.

970
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Impressed with jac and I'm excited to see how he goes.

971
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: Same thing with Donner. He's back in that same team

972
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: for next year. I think he knows that he's understand

973
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: he's done one whole lap. Now let's go for fighting

974
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: for the wins or podiums at least next year.

975
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: Right, you said it, right, And so I think he's

976
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: he excelled expectations at the start of the year and

977
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: then the end of the year probably didn't get as

978
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: well as we thought. But an eighth to finish the

979
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: season is quite strong. But the team Tech three is

980
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: a great team. There's a lot of experience there and

981
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: it's really it's a good sign that they wanted to

982
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: keep him for next year, so they obviously see potential

983
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: and they see growth there. So again, great young fella,

984
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: and I think, yeah, the future is right there, So

985
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: fingers crossed he can get that sorted.

986
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

987
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: The others Joel Kelso, well, Joel's been there a few years,

988
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: hasn't he. And he's had again an up and down

989
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: season pole positions, challenging quite often in the front group,

990
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: but just lacking that little bit to be a constant

991
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: Grand Prix podium challenger, so he's gonna be in the

992
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: championship again next year. So we've got Twosi's there, So

993
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: fingers crossed Joel can can find something.

994
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Chris, I wanted to ask you. We often talk about this.

995
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: It seems like Joel's mid race pace just drops off.

996
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: What do you think that is or why do you

997
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: think that is?

998
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: I got I can't tell you exactly.

999
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1000
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: It's obviously something that's constant with him or the bike

1001
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: set up or the team, something they've got to work on.

1002
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1003
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: I imagine that Joel is just lacking that tenth of

1004
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: a second a lap compared to the other guys, So

1005
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: he has to push that little bit harder early on

1006
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: to sit with the group, and then when those guys

1007
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: picked that pace up that one or two tenths, he

1008
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: just doesn't have that little bit extra to go and

1009
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 3: so he's just lacking that little bit, whether, like I say,

1010
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: whether it's machine set up, whether it's a writing style thing,

1011
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: whether there's something that he's got to be able to

1012
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: find and manage there. But it is quite consistent, isn't it.

1013
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: It's a lot of Grand prize it happens so yeah,

1014
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: fingers crossed. You can work on that and find something

1015
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 3: for the future.

1016
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Well, before we wrap things up, Matt, you did give

1017
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: us a little spicy bold prediction earlier. But from you both,

1018
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: who are you most excited for or what are you

1019
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: excited for to see Tuesday's test or next year in

1020
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Moto GP, Let's go for the MotoGP category.

1021
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: Oh, you can go first. Mark, think about this one.

1022
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot, Yeah, because you've got so much change.

1023
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean it's twelve twelve out of the twenty two

1024
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: on this year's greet to either stepping out or stepping

1025
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: into new garages on Tuesday in Barcelona. It's a massive

1026
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 2: amount of change. I think it was six or seven

1027
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: last year. For context, it's almost double. But we haven't

1028
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: had a super team like Marquees Badyay, Like this is

1029
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: going to be absolute box office When you think, do

1030
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: you Cati probably the best bike, certainly the best team. Yeah,

1031
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: you've got all of the varying sides of the Italy, Spain,

1032
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: Marquez Rossi stuff coming together in the same garage. Mark's

1033
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: going into Peco's domain.

1034
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 3: This is two thousand and nine Rossi, Lorenzo. You could

1035
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 3: nearly be saying the same things, couldn't.

1036
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: You Yeah, one hundred percent are going to are we

1037
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: going to have a wall down the middle of the

1038
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: garage back in the day. But watching one of the

1039
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: things I've really enjoyed this year is Mark sort of

1040
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: in his own head, has got the answer to is

1041
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: it me or is it the machinery because he wasn't

1042
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: sure when he was at Hondo, like do I still

1043
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: have this or not because the Honda had a hard

1044
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: ceiling on it. Seeing him on that bike, Oh boy,

1045
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: that's going to be matt. I can't wait to see

1046
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty five. That's my storyline. But I've

1047
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: now given you at least ninety seconds of padding Chris

1048
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: to actually think, oh, yeah.

1049
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: No, no, I wasn't. I was excited with your comment,

1050
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: and that is a big one for me and Mark's. Obviously,

1051
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: there's going to be so much talk about all these

1052
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: personal sponsors that are changing, you know, between you know,

1053
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: what the factory team have in his personal ones and

1054
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. There's lots to talk about that. Yeah,

1055
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: I think in the test we're not going to see

1056
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: a lot because I think Mark is going to get

1057
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: them to work straight away. He's going to have a

1058
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: twenty four and a twenty five j Caadi and it's

1059
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: just going to be get ourselves in the right position.

1060
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: But I think come next year we potentially are going

1061
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: to see the fastest guy on the fastest bike. It

1062
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: could be a bit like Lewis Hamilton a few years

1063
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: ago having a Mercedes in Formula One, you know, or

1064
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: a Max for Strappin in a Red Bull or whatever

1065
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: like that scenario. But I'm excited to see what Yamaha

1066
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: bring their development that side of the bike. Is that

1067
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: V four coming out that they're talking about already, the

1068
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: other two Yamahas, the Pramaha. There you go, I got

1069
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: it in for it everyone.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: But OLIVERA and Miller on that Yamaha and what they

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Speaker 3: can do and the development forward for the Japanese bikes

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Speaker 3: from a testing site, and then Johe Martin a number

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Speaker 3: one on an a Preer. I think we'll see we'll

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Speaker 3: finally see what is the actual speed of that a Priyer.

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Speaker 1: Well, fellas, I feel like that pretty much wraps up

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Speaker 1: our twenty twenty four season. Our Solidarity Grand Prix review.

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Speaker 1: Matt As always a pleasure listening to you and hearing

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Speaker 1: all your facts and knowledge. Chris, thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: on pit Talk and Matt will have to invite you

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Speaker 1: over for a family dinner at vmulin.

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Speaker 2: Honorary Formula for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I love it anytime, Matt, anytime.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you guys can't get enough of Moto GP,

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Speaker 1: then you can catch the first twenty twenty five season

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Speaker 1: tests live on Fox Sports Plus. You can rewatch the

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Speaker 1: entire twenty four season on demand on Ko Sports Plus.

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Speaker 1: Keep up to date with all the latest Moto GP

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Speaker 1: news on our socials at Fox Motorsport Everywhere or via

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Speaker 1: our website, Fox sports dot com, dot Au, Forward Slash Motorsport.

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Speaker 1: But from Matt Clayton and myself, Rinita Vermulin, We're going

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Speaker 1: to be back real with more Moto GP. Pittork