WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 October

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Andrew, good evening, Welcome to the show. First tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>to an exclusive report, Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi personally announced

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<v Speaker 3>that his government was spending one hundred million dollars to

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<v Speaker 3>upgrade the road that you guessed it leads right to

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<v Speaker 3>his new four million dollar house. I can reveal that

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<v Speaker 3>in June this year alban Easy personally spoke about a

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<v Speaker 3>Voker Drive undergoing a major upgrade. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 4>The minister might want to respond there, but a Voker

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<v Speaker 4>Drive one of the times I was here. I know

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<v Speaker 4>that the surveying work has all been done, and I

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<v Speaker 4>know that this is a real choke point. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>very important and that's why we've provided funding to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that it happened.

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<v Speaker 5>The planning work is still being finalized for a Voca Drive,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's set to start middle next year. We're working

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<v Speaker 5>with the new South Wales government, who obviously the delivery

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<v Speaker 5>partners for the project, to deliver that. We provided additional

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<v Speaker 5>money in the last budget. One hundred and thirty million

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<v Speaker 5>dollars has now been allocated for this project.

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<v Speaker 3>As you just heard the Infrastructure Minister Catherine King saying

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and thirty million dollars was being spent on

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<v Speaker 3>the road and that work would start the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>next year. Now one hundred million dollars of that is

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<v Speaker 3>federal funding and thirty million from the state government. Mister

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<v Speaker 3>Albanezi initially committed thirty million during the federal election campaign

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<v Speaker 3>and then another seventy million in January last year. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a road that alban Easy will need to

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<v Speaker 3>drive on to get to his new waterfront mansion. And

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<v Speaker 3>you can see that on this map. A Voker Drive

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<v Speaker 3>turns into Empire Bay Drive, that into Cullins Road, you

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<v Speaker 3>make a right turn at Cape three Points Road and

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<v Speaker 3>then you reach his new digs on del Monte Place.

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<v Speaker 3>The proximity to the property is pretty clear. Now, Albanizi

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<v Speaker 3>probably knew that he wanted to buy a place in

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<v Speaker 3>the area. He said yesterday that he chose Copa Cabana

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<v Speaker 3>because his future wife is a coasty.

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<v Speaker 4>Jodie's a coasty, She's a proud coasty.

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<v Speaker 3>So did Albanezy know he was going to buy in

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<v Speaker 3>the area before he announced the one hundred millions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in taxpayer funds? And is this something that he

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<v Speaker 3>should have disclosed if it was already on the hunt

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<v Speaker 3>for properties when he spoke about that funding in June

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<v Speaker 3>this year. Well, these are questions for the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>to answer. It is a matter of public record that

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<v Speaker 3>he's committed one hundred million dollars to a road that

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<v Speaker 3>he'll need to drive on to reach his new cliff

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<v Speaker 3>top mansion. A spokeswoman said the funding was complet completely

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<v Speaker 3>unrelated to the house purchase. She said that the Albanese

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<v Speaker 3>government has delivered record road infrastructure funding to ensure Australians

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<v Speaker 3>everywhere have better roads to drive on. Well, in the

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<v Speaker 3>past two days, we've seen that labor and peas are

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<v Speaker 3>shocked at Albanese's poor political judgment. His decision to splurge

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<v Speaker 3>over four million dollars on a waterfront mansion that won't

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<v Speaker 3>even be his main residence is being called one of

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<v Speaker 3>the dumbest political decisions he's made. The Australian's Political editor,

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis Shanahan says that it's up there with Scott Morrison's

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<v Speaker 3>Hawaii holiday and Tony Abbott's decision tonight Prince Philip. He

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<v Speaker 3>writes that no matter what Albanese says to justify the purchase,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bad political look that makes him appear out

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<v Speaker 3>of touch with people renting and trying to buy their

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<v Speaker 3>own home. He says. It also raises the immediate thought

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<v Speaker 3>that it's a time at parachute for after the election.

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<v Speaker 3>We spoke about that here on the show last night.

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<v Speaker 3>Labor and Peas were left to have to try defend

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<v Speaker 3>the prime ministers out of touch property splurge today.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't go and talk to the Prime Minister about,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what, my finances. He doesn't come and talk

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<v Speaker 6>to me about his, nor should he. If he had,

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<v Speaker 6>I would have said, mate, you do what you think

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<v Speaker 6>is necessary for your family with respect. He's a prime minister.

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<v Speaker 6>He's also an Australian citizen.

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<v Speaker 5>He wouldn't be a the verse politician or indeed person

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<v Speaker 5>in Australia to buy and sell property.

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<v Speaker 1>Yron.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, he grew up poor in council housing.

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<v Speaker 2>As he said, he's been on a good wicket.

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<v Speaker 8>He's devoted his life to public service. He's been frugal,

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<v Speaker 8>and he's in a new relationship and has bought a

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<v Speaker 8>house with his fiance.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a topic they just don't want to be speaking about,

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<v Speaker 3>and Coalition figures today called it out of touch?

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<v Speaker 8>Is the Prime Minister out of touch?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been saying he's out of touch for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Just think that the timing and the tone of this one,

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<v Speaker 3>it has been a little bit tone deaf.

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<v Speaker 9>The homeowner is in Australia that I'm worried about it

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<v Speaker 9>at the moment of people who can't afford their mortgages.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Opposition doesn't need to attack this. It's obvious

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<v Speaker 3>to anyone that it's tone deaf, insensitive and out of touch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a slap in the face to ordinary Australians who

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<v Speaker 3>can't afford to buy a home or meet their mortgage repayments.

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<v Speaker 3>How can the Prime Minister stand up there and tell

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<v Speaker 3>Australians that he understands what they're going through when he's

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<v Speaker 3>buying a cliff top mansion. Now I've confirmed that he

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<v Speaker 3>did take time out from running the country to go

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<v Speaker 3>and do an inspection of this home before he bought it,

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<v Speaker 3>so he was off house hunting while Australians were struggling

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<v Speaker 3>to pay their bills, meet their mortgage repayments after thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>interest rate rises. But there's also shows that he just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't care enough about winning the next election, and he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't care enough about his MPs in marginal seats where

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<v Speaker 3>housing affordability is unquestionably the top political issue. One can

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<v Speaker 3>only assume that he's become swept up in the entitlement.

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<v Speaker 3>He travels in a private plane that he jokingly refers

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<v Speaker 3>to as Toto one, after his dog. He's got a chauffeur,

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<v Speaker 3>a cook, free travel, and hotels. He's become so used

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<v Speaker 3>to the life of luxury that perhaps he can't understand

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<v Speaker 3>why his own MPs are stunned that he's bought a

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<v Speaker 3>waterfront home during an economic crisis just months out from

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<v Speaker 3>polling day. Now, Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be on the show in just a moment to

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<v Speaker 3>talk some more about that. But let's get the latest now.

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<v Speaker 3>On the Middle East, the United States has sent a

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<v Speaker 3>threatening ultimatum to Israel demanding it increase humanitarian aid to

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza within the next thirty days of face weapons cuts.

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<v Speaker 3>The letter, written by US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln

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<v Speaker 3>and also Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, has warned Israeli ministers

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to quote it here that failure to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 3>a sustained commitment to implementing and maintaining these measures may

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<v Speaker 3>have implications for US policy. So this is a very

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<v Speaker 3>threatening letter from the United States, and it's been sent

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<v Speaker 3>just weeks before the presidential election. But the United States

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<v Speaker 3>knows all too well that Israel has been sending enormous

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<v Speaker 3>supplies of both food and aid into Gaza. The problems

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side. It's up to the humanitarian organizations

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<v Speaker 3>in Gaza to distribute it, and they're clearly not doing

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<v Speaker 3>that properly. And in some cases we know that Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>is looting the goods and then reselling them at inflated prices.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's have a look now at the actual facts.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take yesterday, October the fifteenth, well A, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>four trucks carrying humanitarian goods were transferred into Gaza. Seventy

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<v Speaker 3>six via the Kerem Shalom crossing and twenty eight by

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<v Speaker 3>the Ers crossing, so one hundred and four a trucks,

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<v Speaker 3>but only twelve of the seventy six were collected from

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<v Speaker 3>the Gaza side of Kerem Shalom. Every day there are

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<v Speaker 3>up to thirty tons of aid going into Gaza, and

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<v Speaker 3>these figures are published daily, but there are currently five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and thirty trucks worth of AID sitting in Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for collection, five hundred and thirty trucks sitting abandoned now.

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<v Speaker 3>Also yesterday there were six gas tankers for the operation

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<v Speaker 3>of essential infrastructure that entered Gaza. There was also the

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<v Speaker 3>second round of pole vaccination for children that began just

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday across Gaza, and on top of this, seventy six,

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and ninety four children received vitamin A. There

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<v Speaker 3>are also twelve bakeries currently operating in Gaza, four in

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<v Speaker 3>the north and eight in the south. Now Kogat, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the Israeli body that distributes AID in Gaza. It has

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<v Speaker 3>thoroughly rejected the notion that they're impeding the aid, the

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<v Speaker 3>entry of any aid at all. They say Israel has

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<v Speaker 3>not halted the entry or coordination of humanitarian aid. Elon Levy,

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<v Speaker 3>who was on this show last night, he made the

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<v Speaker 3>point today on social media that the best way to

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<v Speaker 3>ensure the uninterrupted supply of humanitarian aid into Gaza is

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<v Speaker 3>to remove from power the terrorist regime that is hijacking

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<v Speaker 3>that aid, siphoning some for itself and selling the rest

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<v Speaker 3>at extortion prices. Now, of course the Democrats know that

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<v Speaker 3>this is what's happening. They know that Israel is letting

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<v Speaker 3>aid in and tons of it, literally tons. This is

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<v Speaker 3>all about politics as the election gets closer and Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris is worried she'll lose Nancy Pelosi. Also, this isn't accidental,

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<v Speaker 3>this is by design. Nancy Pelosi came out overnight slamming

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Not withnawho.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think he's ever believed in peace or

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<v Speaker 4>to state solution.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very, very disappointed. Well, given Nancy Pelosi played a

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<v Speaker 3>prominent role in overthrowing Joe Biden, she probably now thinks

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<v Speaker 3>she can end Nettiyaho's Prime ministership as well. Well. Pelosi

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be reminded that Israel is a democracy. Up

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<v Speaker 3>to the Israelis to decide who their leader is, not

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<v Speaker 3>some out of touch left leading Democrat living a world

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<v Speaker 3>away from daily rocket fire. And perhaps Pelosi should spend

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<v Speaker 3>more time calling for the overthrow of terrorist regimes that

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<v Speaker 3>are raping, mutilating, and murdering thousands of people, including American citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the ones who do not believe in peace,

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<v Speaker 3>not Israel, but that would be asking too much from

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<v Speaker 3>yet another fraudulent feminist. Now I've got another big show tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Former IDF combat commander Jonathan Conrichis will join me live

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<v Speaker 3>from Israel. Shorty plus James Patterson, Michael Schubridge. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>coming up, but first let's bring in now former Victorian

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome, gentleman, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start with youraw reaction to my revelations

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<v Speaker 3>tonight on the show that the Albanezy government has announced

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred million dollars in taxpayer funds for the Evoker

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<v Speaker 3>drive upgrade a road that Albanezy has to drive on

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<v Speaker 3>to get to his house. Now coincidental of cost, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a shocking look.

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<v Speaker 10>If you thought yesterday was terrible, today is even worse,

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<v Speaker 10>given what you've said. Coincidental, yes, of course, But to

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<v Speaker 10>spend one hundred million dollars of federal funds, which is

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<v Speaker 10>going to probably increase property values in the area, which

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<v Speaker 10>is what happens when these major upgrades take place, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Center it's a terrible look. Look, Sharry.

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<v Speaker 10>This guy was elected to parliament when John Howard was

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<v Speaker 10>elected Prime Minister twenty eight years ago. On the second

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<v Speaker 10>of March next year, Albo will have been in Parliament

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<v Speaker 10>twenty nine years and he's going to try and convince

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<v Speaker 10>the electorate later that month or in April or May

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<v Speaker 10>that he wants to stay for another four years. That

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<v Speaker 10>would be thirty three years in parliament. People are not

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<v Speaker 10>going to buy that. This guy looks as if he's

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<v Speaker 10>moved to retirement. He's getting married again, he's buying a

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<v Speaker 10>house on the beach up in the north. He's run

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<v Speaker 10>out of path. He looks like someone is exhausted. He

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't look like he's inspired or ready to go for

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<v Speaker 10>another five years as Prime Minister or leader of the

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<v Speaker 10>Labor Party. The stuffing was knocked out of him from

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<v Speaker 10>the voice onwards. He's never recovered and he just seems

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<v Speaker 10>to be going through the motions and he looks as

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<v Speaker 10>if to me and I'm sure everyone out there, this

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<v Speaker 10>guy just looks as he's headed towards retirement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely got one eye on it. To spend your

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<v Speaker 3>time house hunting when you're in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living crisis, a housing affordability crisis, Richoe, what

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<v Speaker 3>was he thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 11>I think the timing is, shall we say, somewhat ill considered.

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<v Speaker 11>Obviously he's been in the job a long time. Politicians

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<v Speaker 11>are relatively well paid, so imagine if you go to

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<v Speaker 11>the bank manager, it wouldn't be too difficult for him

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<v Speaker 11>to raise the money. But that having been said, it's

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<v Speaker 11>how it all looks, and at the moment, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>with so many people battling to get a house at all,

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<v Speaker 11>it's not a good look. It wasn't politically clever.

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<v Speaker 3>Rich I've got to ask you, what are some of

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<v Speaker 3>the labor insiders saying to you.

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<v Speaker 11>I think there's a little bit of disappointment in his judgment.

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<v Speaker 11>That's what's been conveyed to me. But you know, in

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<v Speaker 11>each defense, I've got to say, you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>To be able to buy your house.

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<v Speaker 11>That's one of the fundamental things that Australians have always

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<v Speaker 11>talked about is the right to home ownership.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's got a couple of homes already. We're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a beach house here in a cost of living

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<v Speaker 3>and housing affordability crisis. So I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>Australian dreamans you've got to be able to have a

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<v Speaker 3>third and fourth property and one on the beach.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I know, but we're talking about a beach house

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<v Speaker 11>to which he's going to retire. I mean, we're not

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<v Speaker 11>talking about something he's going to be having on the

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<v Speaker 11>market to rent for the next thirty years. He's going

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<v Speaker 11>to retire in it in the next couple of years

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<v Speaker 11>and live in it forever.

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<v Speaker 3>So Michael, But Michael, I mean, is this the message

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<v Speaker 3>that he should be setting to Australians, that is preparing

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<v Speaker 3>to retire when he's meant to be focused all of

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<v Speaker 3>his energy on the multiple scandals that he's unleashed on

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<v Speaker 3>our country.

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<v Speaker 10>No, Look, it's a terrible message. I mean, look, the

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<v Speaker 10>one thing a politian has to do is say I'm

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<v Speaker 10>going to serve out the full term. I'm definitely going

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<v Speaker 10>to twenty twenty nine. It's what he'll have to tell people.

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<v Speaker 10>I've got no intention of doing any other than being there.

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<v Speaker 10>If you give the electorate any sense at all that

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<v Speaker 10>you might retire midterm after the twenty five election, you

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<v Speaker 10>might retire in twenty six to twenty seven, so you're

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<v Speaker 10>not there for the long term. You will get trounced

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<v Speaker 10>at the polls. The elector will not vote for a

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<v Speaker 10>politician who is who is basically announced their retirement. Oh

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<v Speaker 10>but could you reelect me pleased for another few years

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<v Speaker 10>whilst I workout who should be most successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Or to enjoy the job whatever, No, there's no way.

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<v Speaker 10>The electorate always want a politician who is going to

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<v Speaker 10>work one hundred hours a week on their behalf for

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<v Speaker 10>them and for the country. If you give any impression

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<v Speaker 10>all that you're on the way out the door, you'll

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<v Speaker 10>get flogged. And this is just such a shocking look.

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<v Speaker 10>He looks as if he's He looks as if he's

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<v Speaker 10>headed for the door, and everyone can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows he is headed for the door.

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<v Speaker 10>That's why Charmers and Burke and all these other people

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<v Speaker 10>are sniffing around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a terrible look.

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<v Speaker 3>No, one hundred percent. Well, let's turn to someone else

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<v Speaker 3>who is about to get chanced in the polls, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's Premier Stephen Miles in Queensland, ten days now away

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<v Speaker 3>from losing office. If the career mail poll is anything

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<v Speaker 3>to go by, the primary vote has the L and

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<v Speaker 3>P ahead by eighteen percent. And this comes as the

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<v Speaker 3>leaders faced off in another fiery debate.

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<v Speaker 6>He can't tell Queensland how he is funding is more

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<v Speaker 6>than seventeen billion dollars of election commitments.

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<v Speaker 4>We are in a youth crime crisis, we are in

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<v Speaker 4>a health crisis, and the fact the government won't say

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<v Speaker 4>those words tells you they will never be able to

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<v Speaker 4>fix it.

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<v Speaker 3>Rich O, Queensland has clearly seem ready for a change.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this sentiment might also impact federally as well?

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<v Speaker 11>No, I don't think so. It's I think that we've

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<v Speaker 11>seen so many times that people do think separately in

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<v Speaker 11>those two instances, but certainly in the Queensland election, things

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<v Speaker 11>are looking more than grim for labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael. Do you think this will be a wipeout in Queensland?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, you know, in defense of per Old Stephen,

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<v Speaker 10>they are going for fourth term and as they keep saying,

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<v Speaker 10>fourth terms are almost impossible to win. Because the Electric thinks, well,

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<v Speaker 10>if if it's so necessary to reelect you, because you've

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<v Speaker 10>got those great ideas, why did you implement them before?

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, the implement the fifty cent transport feares, before

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<v Speaker 10>the free lunches at schools before, No, the Electric things

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<v Speaker 10>lease are just destinate measures so you can get another

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<v Speaker 10>four years premiere if they were such good ideas you've had,

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<v Speaker 10>you've had since twenty fifteen to Wilming with them. So

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<v Speaker 10>he looks as if he's headed for eight percent plus

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<v Speaker 10>swing against him. I think christophully On he needs five

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<v Speaker 10>in a mid eleven or twelve seats. So Miles is

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<v Speaker 10>going to get flogged. He's trying his best, but he's

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<v Speaker 10>just he looks desperate and he's going to be headed

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<v Speaker 10>for the door on Saturday week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, indeed, And well I'll be watching of course. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign Minister Pennywong has been pandering for some time now

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<v Speaker 3>to the pro Palestinian crowd. Well she got to see

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<v Speaker 3>some of them up close today at the University of Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 3>She was trying to deliver a speech. She just couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>get through it. Here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a very distressing Well, I don't actually believe,

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<v Speaker 5>and I've never believed that we gain any thing by

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<v Speaker 5>shouting each other down.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, leading.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty four is on track to be even worse.

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<v Speaker 3>She eventually just got fed up and she left the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>She tried to lecture them she tried to tell them

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<v Speaker 3>to listen to what she had to say. Rich, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the crowd she's been poundering to.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, well that's not much of a crowd that's worth

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<v Speaker 11>poundering too. At any point, I think, you know mugs

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<v Speaker 11>or trumps sometimes, and that's what you saw, then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Michael, I mean, unless she comes out and actually

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<v Speaker 3>says that she doesn't support Israel's right to exist, she's

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<v Speaker 3>she's not going to win with that group. And yet

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<v Speaker 3>they keep trying to. They keep going further and further

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<v Speaker 3>to the left, more and more extreme, to try and

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<v Speaker 3>win them over.

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<v Speaker 10>The noisiest vessels of the hard left and the hard right.

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<v Speaker 10>And she's been pandering to the hard left for all

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<v Speaker 10>the reasons we know, trying to stop the Greens winning seats,

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<v Speaker 10>et cetera, et cetera. She's been panted to them. But

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<v Speaker 10>you can never be extreme enough for these people. So

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<v Speaker 10>I thought when I first saw that, oh, these will

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<v Speaker 10>be you know, pro Jewish demonstrators angry with the treatment

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<v Speaker 10>of Jews on campuses, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I thought, oh, no, it's the it's.

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<v Speaker 10>People from her left, I mean, to be left of

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<v Speaker 10>Penny Wong on the Middle East, is some damn achievement,

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<v Speaker 10>to be honest, let's you know, that's some achievement. So

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<v Speaker 10>you know, you can't panter these extremists. Their whole motus

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<v Speaker 10>operande is to intimidate. They're trying to intimidate Wong. They

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<v Speaker 10>certainly intimidate Albanez. You know a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 10>the labor government. You have to stand up to thugs

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<v Speaker 10>and bullies and Jewish hating racists in this country. You've

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<v Speaker 10>got to stand up for them with honor and integrity

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<v Speaker 10>and courage. And although you'd expect them to say this,

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<v Speaker 10>that's what Peter Dutton has done, it's what James Patterson's done,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's what Simon Birming has done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. You know what, Michael, We have been broadcasting on

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<v Speaker 3>the show just how unsafe it is for Jewish students

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<v Speaker 3>to turn up to universities like A and U and Canberra,

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<v Speaker 3>like University of Sydney. They can't actually get through classes

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<v Speaker 3>lectures sometimes because of protests and activity like that. The

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<v Speaker 3>federal government has been basically silent on it. And then

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<v Speaker 3>Penny One got a taste of it today. I wonder

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<v Speaker 3>if she regrets failing to stand up for the Jewish

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<v Speaker 3>students exactly. Well, let's have a look at where Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and Kamala Harris are up to now. The latest

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<v Speaker 3>polls have the election results so tight that Greg Sheridan

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<v Speaker 3>wrote today that Democrats will spring both an October surprise

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<v Speaker 3>and an election Day surprise in desperate last minute efforts

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<v Speaker 3>to keep Trump out of office. Rich O, the polls

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<v Speaker 3>that I've seen over the past day or so have

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<v Speaker 3>Trump just ever so slightly ahead, zero point four percent

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<v Speaker 3>ahead in those seven battle ground state. But we know

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<v Speaker 3>that in the past elections his support has been underestimated.

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<v Speaker 3>So where do you think this has had it?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I've got to say I'm a little worried. I

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<v Speaker 11>wasn't so worried six weeks ago. But the closer it

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<v Speaker 11>gets to the day, the better Trump's doing, There's no

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<v Speaker 11>doubt about that. The question then becomes how many people

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<v Speaker 11>go out to vote for it, because that's what it's

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<v Speaker 11>all about in America is getting your team out onto

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<v Speaker 11>the paddock. And I'm not sure that you know you

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<v Speaker 11>can always guarantee that because you look okay in the polls,

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<v Speaker 11>your team's coming out. And so, as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 11>it still looks like a knife edge. But I'm certainly

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<v Speaker 11>not giving Harris any edge over Trump, which I would

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<v Speaker 11>have been doing a few weeks back.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to be clear for any shadow of doubt, Rich,

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<v Speaker 3>I strongly supporting Kamala Harris Kroger. How do you see this?

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<v Speaker 3>Just you know, two and a half weeks or so

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<v Speaker 3>out from polling day.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think there's a sixty five percent likelihood And

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<v Speaker 10>now that Trump will win. He looks like the winner

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<v Speaker 10>in Arizona. He looks like the winner in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks like the.

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<v Speaker 10>Winner in Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin. She was well ahead

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<v Speaker 10>and now she's only mildly head or the lioneball. She

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<v Speaker 10>was ahead in Pennsylvania, now he's ahead. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 10>all eyes on Pennsylvania, sar As. I'm concerned if he

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<v Speaker 10>wins that he'll win the election. It looks as if

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<v Speaker 10>he's going to win that The worst thing that's happened

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<v Speaker 10>to her is there's a drift away from her. The

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<v Speaker 10>momentum is slowly drifting away from her with not long ago,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's going to be very hard for her to

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<v Speaker 10>get that back. I think what's happened is this It's

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<v Speaker 10>taken months and months and months, but eventually the electorate

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<v Speaker 10>in America have worked out that she's not a serious

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<v Speaker 10>enough person to be president of the United States in

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<v Speaker 10>a world crisis and an economic crisis. For all these

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 10>terrible faults, they feel safe with Donald Trump and she

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<v Speaker 10>just doesn't seem to have the worth wherewithal to be president.

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<v Speaker 10>Some of the answers she's given to questions seriously about inflation,

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<v Speaker 10>et said that we've all seen totally unqualified to be

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<v Speaker 10>president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at the moment, she's her own worst enemy. If

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<v Speaker 3>she can't handle media interviews, voters are saying, well, how

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<v Speaker 3>can you be president of the United States? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Kroger Grae and Richardson, thank you both very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's turn to deeply concerning comments by a Sydney barrister,

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<v Speaker 3>as in a lawyer, a barrister who celebrated Hasbela leader

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<v Speaker 3>Hassa Israla for being on the right side of history

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<v Speaker 3>and a hero of the Arabs. This exclusive story in

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<v Speaker 3>The Australian says that barrister Mamudmando said that Hesbela was

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<v Speaker 3>created by the Israeli aggression and occupation of Lebanon shutout home.

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<v Speaker 3>A fairs minister James Patterson joins me. Now, James, great

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<v Speaker 3>to see you again. Do you think the New South

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<v Speaker 3>Wales Bar Association needs to investigate these comments and whether

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<v Speaker 3>this barrister is a person of certain standing to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to continue to operate as a barrister.

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, Shari.

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<v Speaker 8>These are extraordinary comments for any Australian to make, glorifying

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<v Speaker 8>a dead terrorist leader and a terrorist organization, but they

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<v Speaker 8>are particularly alarming from an officer of the court and

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<v Speaker 8>a barrister. And yes, the New Sepals Bar should be

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<v Speaker 8>investigating whether this is consistent with their guidelines and rules.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not privy to what they are, but I'd also

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<v Speaker 8>encourage mister Mando, given that he is a barrister, to

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<v Speaker 8>go to his office to take out a copy of

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<v Speaker 8>the Commonwealth Criminal Code and to read it, because if

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<v Speaker 8>he does so, he'll find that supporting a list of

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<v Speaker 8>terrorist organization is a very serious crime with very serious penalties.

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<v Speaker 8>That praising or glorifying a terrorist organization in a way

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<v Speaker 8>that could incite others to order terrorist organization or commit

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<v Speaker 8>an active terrorism is also a serious crime, and he

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<v Speaker 8>should reflect on whether it's a good idea for a

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<v Speaker 8>lawyer of anyone compared to anyone in the community to

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<v Speaker 8>run close to breaking that law or close to that line.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's very ill advised behavior and you should

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<v Speaker 8>reflect on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can see why people feel comfortable to come

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<v Speaker 3>out and say this in media interviews because there's barely

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<v Speaker 3>been any action taken by law enforcement, even though, as

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<v Speaker 3>you say, it is illegal to support a listed prescribed

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<v Speaker 3>terror regime in this country. Now we see stories both

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<v Speaker 3>in The Australian and the finn Review today that Jewish

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Australians are defying the new Albanesi government warnings to leave

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<v Speaker 3>Israel while they still can and to not visit Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>We're seeing that people are saying, or Jews are saying,

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<v Speaker 3>they feel safer in Israel because of the horrific anti

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<v Speaker 3>Semitism that we're seeing in Australia. And so we have

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<v Speaker 3>seen the Australian government has upgraded its advice. They're now

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<v Speaker 3>saying do not travel to Israel, and to any Australians

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<v Speaker 3>there that they should come home. Now, James, from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>there is no question it is physically safer here in

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Australia and having just been in Israel last week, having

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<v Speaker 3>to listen out for sirens that warn of incoming missiles

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<v Speaker 3>and then have to get down on the ground. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it just is. It's alarming. The Iron Dome does intercept most,

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 3>but not all, of the rockets, and then, of course,

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 3>even if they do intercept the rockets, there's the danger

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 3>of falling shrapnel, which does injure Israeli's But then when

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 3>it comes to as a Jewish person expressing your identity,

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 3>showing your identity with a mug and David or other

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 3>jewelry or clothing, there's no doubt it's safer in Israel

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<v Speaker 3>than Australia. So I want to ask whether this concerns

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<v Speaker 3>you that the level of anti Semitism we're seeing in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia that's been allowed to take hold is so bad

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 3>that we're seeing a group of peop people now feel

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<v Speaker 3>safer in a war zone than here.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's deeply distressing to read stories like this. And

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<v Speaker 8>I've also heard stories firsthand from members of the Australian

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 8>Jewish community in Melbourne and Sydney that they are contemplating

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 8>moving to Israel because they do believe they'll feel safer there,

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 8>and that's an absolutely remarkable thing to say when you

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<v Speaker 8>think about it. Israel's under attack right now from three

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<v Speaker 8>terrorist organizations and a very menacing regime and the Iranian state,

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<v Speaker 8>and so that people would feel safer there than in

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<v Speaker 8>Melbourne and Sydney. In Australia, it is a travesty and actually,

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<v Speaker 8>frankly a stain on our great country. It's something that

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<v Speaker 8>we have to fix and it can only be fixed

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<v Speaker 8>with two things.

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<v Speaker 1>The first is.

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<v Speaker 8>Political and moral leadership from the very top, from the

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<v Speaker 8>Prime Minister, saying that we'll never tolerate this anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 8>that Jews are welcome in Australia, that they're part of

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.959
<v Speaker 8>our country, that they enrich our country. And the second

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<v Speaker 8>is fixing this law enforcement crisis that you were talking

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<v Speaker 8>about before and actually making sure the laws that on

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<v Speaker 8>the books are enforced and extremism and extremists feel the

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<v Speaker 8>consequences of their behavior, because until that happens, they will

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<v Speaker 8>continue to be emboldened. And Jews who have lived here

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<v Speaker 8>all their lives, who've come here and fled the Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 8>who have been here and can trace their descendants back

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<v Speaker 8>to the first fleet can feel safe again in our country.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is a really sad state of affairs. And

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, because I spoke about this in an

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<v Speaker 3>article in the Sunday Telegraph and then I posted the

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 3>article on x or Twitter, and the comments under it

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<v Speaker 3>people just say leave, go to Israel, get out, We

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<v Speaker 3>don't want you here. So the anti Semitism is there

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<v Speaker 3>in black and white. It's astonishing. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>any of them were ABC employees, by the way, but

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<v Speaker 3>you never know. Now Kevin Rudd has caused a stowe.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a new book on She as in shi Jingping.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a revamp of his old thesis in which

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<v Speaker 3>he argued that the world will be most danger under

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<v Speaker 3>She's leadership. Now, James, I want to see if you

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<v Speaker 3>agree with this, because he says that if China is

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<v Speaker 3>successful in invading or reunifying with Taiwan, then this will

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<v Speaker 3>see a period of US decline. So if his assessment

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<v Speaker 3>is right, do you think this therefore means that America

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<v Speaker 3>should intervene to stop China from invading Taiwan. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>just seen in the past couple of days those really

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<v Speaker 3>aggressive war games that one hundred and twenty five military

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<v Speaker 3>aircraft from the PLA and also the naval vessels encircling Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 1>Sharrey.

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<v Speaker 8>I think I'm going to be first to line up

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<v Speaker 8>at the bookshop to buy Kevin's book because based on

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<v Speaker 8>the excerpts that I have read, there's a lot that

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<v Speaker 8>I agree with. In fact, it sounds an awful lot

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<v Speaker 8>like the kind of things that people like me and

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 8>Andrew Hasty have been saying since about twenty seventeen, in fact,

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<v Speaker 8>the kind of things that Kevin Rudd used to criticize

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<v Speaker 8>Andrew Hasty and I and others for saying. So it's

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<v Speaker 8>a welcome change of heart from Kevin. Based on what

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<v Speaker 8>I understand his argument is, I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 8>to agree with. There's probably two things that I disagree with. One.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he over emphasizes the extent to which Hijinping

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<v Speaker 8>represents change rather than continuity in the Chinese Communist Party.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the most persuasive evidence is from people like

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<v Speaker 8>Rush Doshi, whose book The Long Game really sets out

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<v Speaker 8>that nothing has fundamentally changed about the trajectory of the

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<v Speaker 8>Chinese Communist Party under Schujing Ping. He might have just

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<v Speaker 8>accelerated it and the second is he makes a remarkable

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<v Speaker 8>argument that once Shijingping leaves the stage, China will return

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<v Speaker 8>to more moderate leadership under the Chinese Communist Party. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't share that confidence at all, particularly because basically every

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<v Speaker 8>analyst got Hijing Ping wrong. They said that he would

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<v Speaker 8>be a moderating influence, and he certainly hasn't been that.

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<v Speaker 8>So I don't think we can rest on our laurels

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<v Speaker 8>and assume that that's not the case. To your early question,

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<v Speaker 8>I think what it commands of us is to be

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<v Speaker 8>as strong as possible and to work as closely as

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<v Speaker 8>possible with our allies to deter Shujing Ping and the

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<v Speaker 8>Chinese Communist Party from doing something incredibly reckless like invading Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 3>M I think the comment that Joe Kelly made because

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<v Speaker 3>he was the journalist who interviewed Kevin Right about his book.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that Penniwang and albanize he should read this

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<v Speaker 3>book because it's a wake up call. There seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be this complacency Australia at the moment towards the communist

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<v Speaker 3>regime in China. But I agree with you, and not

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<v Speaker 3>only do we not know who she's successor will be,

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<v Speaker 3>so therefore we don't know whether they will be more

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<v Speaker 3>authoritarian or worse for the world. But also there's the

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 3>fact that she has eliminated many of his rivals, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, anyone more moderate. We just don't know what's

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<v Speaker 3>where they are, what's happened to them? Will there have

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>been many mysterious disappearances. All right, James Patterson, really appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>your time. Thank you. Now, after the break, what will

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<v Speaker 3>Israel do with three captured Hezbla terrorists? A former IDF

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<v Speaker 3>combat commander Jonathan conworkers will join me on the show,

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and later Kamala Harris takes Aimurt Donald Trump's dancing more

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 3>on where this election is headed. Welcome back, and let's

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>bring in now former combat commander and retired lieutenant colonel

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 3>in the Israeli Defense Forces, Jonathan Conracates. Jonathan, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>very much for your time. Look, I want to start

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<v Speaker 3>with this letter from the United States. What's your response

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<v Speaker 3>to the accusations from the US that Israel isn't sending

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<v Speaker 3>enough humanitarian aid to Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, good day, and thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a very serious deterioration, I would say in the

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<v Speaker 12>relationship between the US and Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that, on one hand.

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<v Speaker 12>There is important information in it, and I think that

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<v Speaker 12>Israel would be wise to improve and enhance the humanitarian

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<v Speaker 12>operations full stop. And on the other hand, I would

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<v Speaker 12>say that it is regrettable that this is the first

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 12>important letter that the US government sends to Israel. As

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<v Speaker 12>Israel is fighting on three active fronts on the ground

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<v Speaker 12>and seven total fronts. It's a very delicate situation because

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<v Speaker 12>Israel is very, very dependent on US support diplomatic and military.

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<v Speaker 12>So bottom line, I think Israel has little choice but

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<v Speaker 12>to make serious, enhanced, more efforts that beyond what Israel

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 12>is already doing, in order to improve first and foremost

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 12>the situation on the ground and then very importantly, the

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 12>appearances of the situation on the ground. It's a difficult

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<v Speaker 12>task because what Israel hasn't communicated well enough is that

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<v Speaker 12>the problem isn't the amount of trucks that are delivered

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 12>to the Gaza Strip. It is the final stage of

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 12>distribution in the Gaza Strip, and that's where the big

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 12>challenge is because that is where most of the aid

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<v Speaker 12>either is stuck in you and warehouses or is looted

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<v Speaker 12>and stolen on the way by local gangs or by

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 12>rama's operatives, and at the end of the day, suffering

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 12>Palestinians they don't many times get the aid that they

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<v Speaker 12>need because of disruptions by Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>And Israel hasn't communicated.

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<v Speaker 12>This well enough, and I think that the letter will

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<v Speaker 12>urge Israel to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went through some of the figures at the

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<v Speaker 3>start of my program, up to thirty tons of aid

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>going into Gaza every day. As you say, there's a

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 3>distribution problem from both the humanitarian groups inside Gaza, but

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<v Speaker 3>also the issue of Hamas stealing the aid and then

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>often reselling it at inflated prices. But Jonathan, while Israel

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 3>hasn't communicated this well enough, as you say, to the public,

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 3>the US must surely know this.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, But of course there's an election cycle getting close

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<v Speaker 12>to the final lap in the US, and I think

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 12>that the letter is part of that. It's part of

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 12>an effort by the administration to show to various constituencies

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<v Speaker 12>in the US that the administration is tough on Israel

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<v Speaker 12>and holding Israel accountable.

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I think the elections.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm not sure that the letter would have been sent

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<v Speaker 12>had it not been election cycle. So I take that

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<v Speaker 12>into account, but you know, addressing it seriously. There is

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 12>more to do, and I think that it is within

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 12>in Israel's interest to do more. But the challenge here

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<v Speaker 12>is that the real combat environment in northern Gaza specifically,

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<v Speaker 12>but also in the southern part is very very challenging

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<v Speaker 12>and frankly, you know, to really supply all of the

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<v Speaker 12>goods to the final distribution inside Gaza, that means that

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 12>the IDF would have to safeguard the convoys itself in

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<v Speaker 12>order to make sure that they get to the final user.

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<v Speaker 12>And to be frank the IDEF doesn't have that amount

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<v Speaker 12>of personnel, and the IDEF has to rely on Israel,

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 12>has to rely on other institutions to do it, you

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 12>and and other humanitarian organizations, and they are reporting that

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 12>they are afraid to do so because of what Hamas

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 12>is doing and other law lesson gangs inside Gaza.

0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's a complex situation.

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<v Speaker 12>There is suffering and I think we recognize that and

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 12>is what is doing a lot of efforts, but not

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 12>communicating it well enough yet.

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just finally, Jonathan, what's your response to this demand

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 3>from French President Emmanuel Macron. We see he keeps lecturing Israel.

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 3>He's now demanding a ceasefire. What's your response to this?

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<v Speaker 12>Very very unfortunate, very disappointing, I would say, and you know,

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 12>I'm a student of military history. It rings familiar from

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 12>the Second World War and before that, siding with the

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 12>wrong side, not with the democracy, but with the aggressor.

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 12>And it rings familiar in Jewish years. It rings familiar

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 12>of dark times in French and global history. I think

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 12>it's very unfortunate, and I think that any democracy in

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 12>the world should have its priorities straight and understand which

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 12>side of history they stand on. You're either on Israel's side,

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 12>a democracy and imperfect democracy fighting for its survival against

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 12>the forces of darkness in the Middle East, or you're

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 12>with the forces of darkness. You can't have it both.

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 12>And when you support Israel, which is what democracies should

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 12>be doing, in my humble opinion, that shouldn't be caviated,

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 12>and it shouldn't be with pressure on Israel, but it

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 12>should be strong and proud support, even if it isn't

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 12>convenient from domestic political purposes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's what we're seeing across the board, including

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 3>as you say, in the US, because there are high

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Muslim populations in some of those battleground states that the

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Democrats are desperate to win. Jonathan Connacist, thank you very

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 3>much for joining me tonight live from Israel. Now plenty

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 3>more to come on the show. New data exposes the

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 3>financial pain Australians are feeling, all while the PM bats

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 3>off claims that he's out of touch. My panel will

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 3>talk about that next plus with the US Poll's Neck

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and Neck. Kamala Harris takes a sweat at Trump after

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 3>his music fest. Stay tuned, welcome back. Well, let's bring

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 3>in now for our political panel, Julia Gillard's former Press

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 3>secretary Darren Barnett and National MP Keith Pitt. Welcome to

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 3>you both. Darren. I want to ask your view, as

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 3>a former Labor Press secretary, how can the Prime Minister

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 3>buy a beach house just months out from the federal

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<v Speaker 3>election being caught?

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<v Speaker 13>I think also part of it is the price tag.

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<v Speaker 13>Part of it is the scenario that most families are

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<v Speaker 13>facing at the moment where times are difficult, the cost

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<v Speaker 13>of living has gone through the roof, the idea that

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<v Speaker 13>someone has a little bit extra to have an investment property,

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<v Speaker 13>where most people are struggling to pay rent or meet

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<v Speaker 13>their mortgage. I think he should have just waited until

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<v Speaker 13>after the election, after his marriage, whatever the case may be.

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<v Speaker 13>But the timing, it's not so much necessarily the even

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<v Speaker 13>though that has some questions, but the timing is really surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Keith, what do you think. I think Australians want

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<v Speaker 3>to get the sense that their leader understands what they're

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<v Speaker 3>going through, showing it with.

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<v Speaker 1>A different view. I think to strike a genius.

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<v Speaker 9>He's in the position to watch where Jim Chalmers has

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<v Speaker 9>parked the Australian economy right on the edge of a

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<v Speaker 9>clifford about to fall into this. So I've heard all

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 9>the talk about retirement and everything else. And if the

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<v Speaker 9>Australian people decide they want to retire the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 9>they've got an opportunity between now and the end of

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<v Speaker 9>May and that they can make a choice. But I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not going to buy into the PM's personal circumstances that

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<v Speaker 9>that's up to him. And I've also got this very

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 9>unique view that I want people in the Parliament who

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<v Speaker 9>can actually manage to hold alone pay their bills, run

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<v Speaker 9>a business. I don't think it's actually in the nation's

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<v Speaker 9>interest to have politicians who are basically can't scratch two

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<v Speaker 9>cents together. I've never done anything terribly constructive, and in fact,

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 9>we've all got to be poor. So I just this

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<v Speaker 9>is a tough one, Shari. But let's be frank. He's

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<v Speaker 9>purchased something with a new partner, and good luck to them, Darren.

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<v Speaker 13>Look my only I agree that it's great that the

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<v Speaker 13>prime minister is able to buy a home and all

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<v Speaker 13>the rest of it. But the prime ministerial job is

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<v Speaker 13>a unique job. That's why at the start of the

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 13>campaign they ask you, how much is a leader of

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 13>milk a loaf of bread if you go to the

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<v Speaker 13>service station and buy forty leaders of petrol. They want

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<v Speaker 13>to know that. People want to know that you have

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<v Speaker 13>your finger on the pulse of what it's like to

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<v Speaker 13>be one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem, one hundred percent well said, and I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't heard anyone else make that point, and it's a

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 3>really good one. Now let's have a look at Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>He was at a rally near Philadelphia. It took quite

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<v Speaker 3>a bizarre turn. The former president ended up spending i'm told,

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<v Speaker 3>forty minutes dancing after two audience members had a medical

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<v Speaker 3>episode have a look.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll play ymcre go ahead, Let's go nation laud.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Kamala Harris seemed to comment on this. She posted,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope he's okay on social media. That to me

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a pretty fun rally, though, Keith, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they were just going through his own Spotify Spotify playlist.

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<v Speaker 9>In terms of the playlist, Sharon, there's only one out

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<v Speaker 9>of two that it'd be on mine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not my MCI.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, it's a bit of fun.

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<v Speaker 9>And Trump's obviously confident and he's in character, and at

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<v Speaker 9>these rallies, you know, there's a lot of energy and

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<v Speaker 9>it's good to be upbeat. And I think Kabala Harris,

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<v Speaker 9>the longer this campaign runs, the more.

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<v Speaker 1>Concerned their camp will be.

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<v Speaker 9>I think Trump's starting to get his nose in front.

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<v Speaker 9>But regardless of all of that, it's up to the

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<v Speaker 9>American people and what's wrong with a bit of fun

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<v Speaker 9>in politics?

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<v Speaker 3>Shary, No, exactly. I think more politics should dance on stage.

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 3>I'd be tuning in for sure. But Darren, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you know what Keith says is right. The more that

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.919
<v Speaker 3>people see Kamala Harris, they're concerned that there's not enough

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<v Speaker 3>substance there. Donald Trump's doing multiple interviews every day, She's

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with basic answers, and she hasn't at any point

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<v Speaker 3>faced proper interrogation.

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<v Speaker 13>In the end, as Keith says, the American people will decide.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't think she's done a bad job. I think,

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<v Speaker 13>considering where Biden was that that's the fact that we

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<v Speaker 13>are even talking about a possible Democratic win that Harris

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<v Speaker 13>has done a terrific job. So whether that momentum can

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<v Speaker 13>last to the finish line, I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 13>think she's resurrected what was an incredibly flagging.

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<v Speaker 3>Campaign, and that is one hundred percent thur. It would

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<v Speaker 3>be very different situation the polls if Joe Biden was

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<v Speaker 3>still there, they would have no hope. Yeah, Darren Barnett

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<v Speaker 3>to Keith Fitt, thank you both very much. Now after

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<v Speaker 3>the break, how Labor is trying to mix First Nations

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<v Speaker 3>approaches to foreign policy, plus China's wanting to Canberra after

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 3>it condemned its wargames in Taiwan. Michael Schubridge will join

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<v Speaker 3>me next. All right, let's bring in now Strategic Analysis

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<v Speaker 3>Australia Director Michael Schubridge. Michael, great to see you again. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about the front page of

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<v Speaker 3>the Daily Telegraph today. They revealed that the Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign Affairs has hired a firm to touch base with

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<v Speaker 3>indigenous stakeholders in order to devise a strategy that would

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<v Speaker 3>embed First nations approachs to foreign policy. So having first

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 3>nation's indigenous approaches to foreign policy, Michael, how is this relevant?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Sherry, I think it shows you Foreign Affairs as

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<v Speaker 7>the Department doesn't know, which is why they're no doubt

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<v Speaker 7>paying this company a whole lot of money to try

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 7>and tell them what it means. But the idea of

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<v Speaker 7>embedding First Nations perspectives in the heart of Australian foreign

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<v Speaker 7>policy is a bit nonsensical. Australian foreign policy has to

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<v Speaker 7>be about a national security, our national interests and our values,

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<v Speaker 7>and frankly, First nations issues, while important, are just a

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 7>tiny little subset. So this is a tail wagging the

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<v Speaker 7>dog problem.

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<v Speaker 3>We're also hearing that members of the communist regime in

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<v Speaker 3>China are sending rebukes to Australia after the Albanesi government

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<v Speaker 3>quite rightly condemned China's large scale military exercises around Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this more bullying that we're starting to see from China.

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<v Speaker 3>At the slightest pushback from the Albanese government.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, I think it's preventative pushback, so in case mister

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 7>Albanezi thinks he might do something. Now hearing this retired

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 7>colonel from the PLA must have been licensed by the

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 7>Communist Party leadership to speak say things like why would

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<v Speaker 7>Australia threaten China? Why would China threaten Australia. There's no reason,

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<v Speaker 7>but we can now easily reach Australia with our military capabilities. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>that is simply threatening language. That's the kind of behavior

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<v Speaker 7>we're seeing from China, even with this stabilized lovely lobster relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Look the Iran strikes in Israel, those two hundred ballistic

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<v Speaker 3>missiles that really shook the nation. That was about two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago. Now we're still yet to see Israel's retaliation.

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<v Speaker 3>We're expecting it any day in the next week. They've

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<v Speaker 3>had to coordinate with the United States. That Nettaniahu's phone

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<v Speaker 3>call with Joe Biden was just a few hours after

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<v Speaker 3>I met with him in his office. What are you

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<v Speaker 3>expecting to see from these strikes from Israel against Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it could be on the nuclear sites

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<v Speaker 3>or the oil sites, or do you think it might

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<v Speaker 3>be a military target?

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<v Speaker 7>Surey, I think it's going to be focused on military targets,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe some of their command and control and some of

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 7>their missile capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if something like

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<v Speaker 7>that guesthouse where the Hezbola chief was staying in the

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<v Speaker 7>heart of Tehran gets a further dose of medicine, because

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<v Speaker 7>this is about Israel demonstrating Iran is defenseless to Israeli power.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we did see that those ballistic missiles that came

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<v Speaker 3>in from Tehran were stronger, were more powerful than even

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<v Speaker 3>Israel expected. Do you think that was a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a wake up call to America as well as to Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think you can see the American reaction. Putting

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<v Speaker 7>that additional missile defense system into Israel, which will be

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.360
<v Speaker 7>operated by American troops a pretty extraordinary move. Look, I

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 7>think the Israeli air and missile defense system is the

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<v Speaker 7>best out by far, the best on the planet, but

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<v Speaker 7>even that will have holes and gaps. But Iran is

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 7>completely open compared to Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this could spark a next stage of

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<v Speaker 3>the war, because for the past year we've seen Israel

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 3>dealing with the terrorist regime in Hamas and Hasbala. But

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<v Speaker 3>do you think this could yeah, spark a whole new stage.

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<v Speaker 7>It's possible, but I think the Iranian regime already knows

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 7>that Israel overmatches it with military strike capability. If they

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 7>want to learn that lesson in an even bigger, harder way,

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 7>that might be just about to happen. But Iran is

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<v Speaker 7>in no position to fight in all our war with Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>With the US stepping into defend it. And as you say,

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>that THAD defense system that America is sending along with

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 3>one hundred American troops on the ground, if nothing else,

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 3>that's a big show of support, not the letter they've sent. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Shubridge, thank you very much for your time, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>But right now, here's my good friend, Paul Murray.